If you want to see some Streaking Grime effects on actual models, then you should check out my Grimdark Ultramarines: See the Lieutenant here: ruclips.net/video/PvjyTPSoDcU/видео.html Chaplain here: ruclips.net/video/SD9hnEuwaBA/видео.html Dreadnought here: ruclips.net/video/zWVsrhkZfW8/видео.html
This is so helpful. I was already painting an army of space marines using a base coat of Contrast Skeleton Horde, and AK Dark Streaking Grime. It's a quick grimdark look and now I understand enamel properties a little better.
Only partially through the video at the time but this video has been so much help to keep me feeling confident and prepared to start using enamels and spirits
Only just starting out trying enamels and oils and this was a great intro and side by side. Plus your other tutorials I really love your style, drybrushing is so fast and effective to get a worn look, these dirty enamel washes seem to go really well with it.
Yes, I've done this with my old bronze Custodes here: ruclips.net/video/ndwWIOLwngA/видео.html on the shoulderpad. I felt it didn't add anything, really, so I'm not doing this anymore. The new video with similar paint scheme is here: ruclips.net/video/vK303auRqhs/видео.html I think in this case the issue was that the surface that i used the gloss and then Streaking Grime on was too small. What exactly are you trying to achieve?
Gonna use these tips along with your other videos to get to work on my indomitus box finally. Keep the content coming! With quality like this the subs should start rollin in anytime
@@FogOfGore ontzettend goed gegaan! Brengt gelijk een extra dimensie en realiteit aan het paintwerk en ik ben er ontzettend tevreden mee! Was de eerste uit ons hobby groepje die het heeft gedaan, de andere 5 man hebben ook gelijk streaking grime etc besteld. Natuurlijk naar jouw video doorverwezen!
@@Calibrett0 Mooi om te horen dat ze allemaal ook gelijk over zijn gegaan :D Streaking Grim is zo makkelijk te gebruiken en het voegt heel veel toe. Ik ga binnenkort wat andere enamels uitproberen en meer van deze videos maken.
What would be de Dutch product for White spirit? Because you said turpentine was to strong for it. If I translate it in google is says ''Terpentine''. Just want to check before I destroy my mini.
Yes, but be careful. The streaking grime makes it look dusty and so a gloss or satin varnish will reduce the dustiness of the model. You can just paint with acrylics over streaking grime, it will hold.
Ok, so what am I doing wrong here? I'm using the "brush away with spirits"- method, but when it dries outside recesses, where I also need it to be, it dries grainy and leaves rings here and there. I have to brush on the grime, because I don't have room for an airbrush. Is there something to do with the process? Do I have to let it dry completely before brushing on the spirits?
I'm brushing on the grime as well, I never use an airbrush, so I don't have a choice either. So that shouldn't be a problem. I have used white spirits on wet and on dry Streaking Grime as well and the results are the same both times, so I don't think that's it either. What sort of white spirits are you using? Are you sure it's white spirits and not turpentine or something else? Maybe you're not using enough Streaking Grime or white spirits? With the brush technique that I use I really drwon the model in both. To the point that I am holding my model holder with a paper towel to soak up the running down white spirits. That might be it? Let me know if this helps, I'd love to help figure out what's going wrong for you.
@@FogOfGore I think I am just demanding too much of the streaking grime. I’m using it on my blood bowl team and I think I’m just dilluting it too much on the yellow and lighter parts. Maybe I should go for the washy method for those parts and heavy grime on the darker bits...
@@madsjohansen1135 yeah, I would definitely use the wash method for the lighter parts. Maybe 4:1 white spirits : Streaking Grime when washing white and 3:1 for light colours.
I apply the white spirits while the Streaking Grime is still wet, but you don't have to. If it's dry and you go over it with white spirits the enamel will dilute again and seep into the recesses. When I paint a whole squad I batch paint them in groups of 5 and start with Streaking Grime for all of them and then White Spirits for all of them.
Can i use streaking grime with an airbrush ? And what is the drying Time of streaking grime ? Otherwise, another great video with simple explanations 👍
I think you can. I don't have an airbrush though, so I haven't tried it myself. I assume you would have to dilute it a little with some white spirits. And of course clean with white spirits too!
The Dutch translation of white spirits is 'terpentine'. But turpentine is also 'terpentine'. You said we better get the white spirites and not the turpentine. How do I know the difference when I want to buy it?
Yeah, it's confusing, I'm Dutch too :) I believe that these are the right translations from English to Dutch: Turpentine = Thinner (aggressive, melts plastic) White Spirits = Terpentine The safest bet is to get it from a hobby shop. This looks like the right stuff: www.hobbyshop-online.nl/schilderen/hulpmiddelen/hulpmiddelen-olieverf/hulpmiddelen-olieverf-mediums/reuklozeterpentine-1000ml/
I don't really have that problem, to be honest. How long do you let it dry before handling the models? Enamels take a lot longer than acrylics to completely cure, I normally wait about 4-5 days before doing anything with them to make sure it's done completely. If that doesn't work, a varnish is the way to go. It might be a good idea anyway. Get a spray can of matt varnish (from vallejo or some other minipainting brand) and lightly spray the models. You should still wait a couple days before doing this to make sure the enamel is dry.
Thanks for this video. This really helped out. Quick question though. Should I stay away from “mineral spirits”? I’m having a tough time finding white spirit in a large quantity for cheap.
Yeah, you can use mineral spirits as well, but make sure it's the colourless kind. The only mineral spirits I can find is dyed purple 😃 You could check an arts and crafts store or the paint alley in your local DIY store for white spirits as well.
You can use both. Orderless mineral spirits are more or less the same (I think also a country thing, Americans call it mineral spirits while Brits call it White spirit? ). I am from Germany and use turpentine substitute with odorless formula (real turpentine is too strong from what I have read and can eat away your plastics).
Hello. Could you tell us, how does Streaking Grime differs from other enamel paints? Is it sorta the same composition as other enamels, although already thinned down?
The only enamels I have experience with are Streaking Grime, Decay Deposits, Streaking Rust and the three rust tones from AK Interactive. They all are pretty much the same, very "liquid", but they won't just flow into the recesses like a wash normally does. The surface tension with these enamels is not like a contrast paint or wash and so you have to move them around manually. Either with a brush while it is still wet or reactivate it with white spirits once it has dried.
No, the Vallejo Streaking Grime is an acrylic paint and not an enamel/oil paint like the AK Interactive Streaking Grime. So for the Vallejo variant you need to use water, like you would with your other acrylic model paints from Vallejo or Citadel/Games Workshop. I've never used Vallejo Streaking Grime, so I can't tell you how to best use it, but I would assume you have to apply it like any other acrylic paint. You can let enamels dry and then go over them with white spirits and they will dilute again and so you can keep working with them. Once acrylics dry up they form a sort of plastic coat and you can't reactive them again. I think that if you use acrylic streaking grime you have to work neatly and make sure you paint it in the places where you want it. You might be able to dilute it to a wash and use it that way and then brush it off the edges with a brush with water.
I would go with the wash method and then work in some rust as well. I think that if you use too much of the Streaking Grime on a white base layer they will just turn brown and you lose the bony armour look.
I could not figure out what "white spirit" actually is. Many Hobbyists mentioned it and it bugged me not to know the german translation. It's "Waschbenzin" as I now know if someone is reading this by accident... :D
You have to be careful with other products, they might be so aggressive that they melt your miniature. If you get enamel thinner from an art store then it might work as well as white spirits, but I would be careful with an enamel thinner from the hardware store.
Yes, it will, but that's what you want. The white spirits will drag the Streaking Grime into the recesses with it. That way you get more of it in the recesses and less on the upper ridges and surfaces.
Well, I have very good confirmation of myth no 2... I was trying to strip the paint from DP that I wasn't pleased with the effect - no seals used. After two weeks of soaking, plastic went a bit weird, but it almost haven't affected the painting at all 😕
Yeah, acrylic paints form a "plastic layer" over the miniature that you paint with it. You need to brush/scrape it off or use a very strong degreaser that helps it dissolve in water instead.
@@FogOfGore trust me, I was scraping hard, but it didn't help 😜 And methylated spirits are only just little bit better... I think that I will just go back to the breaking fluid 🤣
@@FogOfGore the only downside of breaking fluid, except for the smell, is that's quite agressive, so You have to be careful, unless You want Your models to turn into goo... 🤣
Been using turpentine for a year thinking it was about the same... I was very rough on the underlayer, although I managed to make it work (half of the time) Need to find out how is it sold in Spain... I only seem to find even more aggresive solvents...
My advice would be to talk to someone in a hobby painting store. They should be able to help you with a less strong solvent. Or you can go for the expensive variant from AK Interactive.
A simple explanation I can give is that an enamel is a type of oil paint, but it dries much harder. That's why it's good for miniatures that you tend to touch.
It's great, but expensive. It really depends on your situation. Since making this video I moved and now I am painting in room with just a tiny window for ventilation and so I am using the expensive artist white spirits.
@@FogOfGore Oh. When I searched up “AK Interactive Streaking Grime” on my local online shop, it showed multiple results, there’s one for “Panzer Grey” or “For Dark Yellow Vehicles” etc. All the bottles have different shades as well.
I don't understand why these techniques are being recommended. Either paint on the grime as individual streaks, using thinner to smooth and blend the edges (works on large models or terrain best), or slap the Grime over the whole model and wipe it off the raised surfaces, leaving the grime behind in the crevices. The methods shown are not a good use of the material and fail to leverage its properties as an enamel. If you want a wash, use a wash instead
Hey, it's true that this is not what the product is intended for, but what product would you recommend that would give this effect and is intended to be used as a wash? Honestly curious, because I don't know much about enamels since I mainly paint with acrylics.
If you want to see some Streaking Grime effects on actual models, then you should check out my Grimdark Ultramarines:
See the Lieutenant here: ruclips.net/video/PvjyTPSoDcU/видео.html
Chaplain here: ruclips.net/video/SD9hnEuwaBA/видео.html
Dreadnought here: ruclips.net/video/zWVsrhkZfW8/видео.html
This is so helpful. I was already painting an army of space marines using a base coat of Contrast Skeleton Horde, and AK Dark Streaking Grime. It's a quick grimdark look and now I understand enamel properties a little better.
Thank you, that's amazing to hear.
Only partially through the video at the time but this video has been so much help to keep me feeling confident and prepared to start using enamels and spirits
That's great to hear, man. That's exactly what I was trying to achieve with this video. Get people comfortable enough to try out something new :)
I love the smell of white spirit in the morning.
Don't sniff too deeply!
Only just starting out trying enamels and oils and this was a great intro and side by side. Plus your other tutorials I really love your style, drybrushing is so fast and effective to get a worn look, these dirty enamel washes seem to go really well with it.
Thanks! Glad it was helpful.
Thank you! ..and everything with a brush.., this vid answered a lot of questions!!
Really helpful video. Thanks!
Happy to hear!
Great, informative vid! Subbed!👍
Awesome, thank you!
Another great video and perfect explanation too. Ive been holding off opening my Streaking Grime but not now!
Go for it! You can get some great effects with Streaking Grime.
its been a bit messy for me when i use it because if i apply too much pressure or friction to the cotton tip the paint chips off
Thank you for sharing; Any thought of a "Gloss Varnish" on the model before applying the "Enamel/Streaking Grime"?
Yes, I've done this with my old bronze Custodes here: ruclips.net/video/ndwWIOLwngA/видео.html on the shoulderpad. I felt it didn't add anything, really, so I'm not doing this anymore. The new video with similar paint scheme is here: ruclips.net/video/vK303auRqhs/видео.html
I think in this case the issue was that the surface that i used the gloss and then Streaking Grime on was too small. What exactly are you trying to achieve?
Nice info to get into enamels! Thanks a lot!
Thank you! Glad it was helpful!
Very instructive, thanks for sharing.
Thanks! Glad to hear you got something out of it.
Really nice - i loved the comparison and analysis at the end. I’m looking forward to seeing your explorations of rusting techniques!
Thank you! I'm just getting a Kharadron Overlords gunboat to paint completely rusted out :)
Great video👍🏻
Thanks, man. This is great info.
Thanks!
Gonna use these tips along with your other videos to get to work on my indomitus box finally. Keep the content coming! With quality like this the subs should start rollin in anytime
That's awesome to hear. Send me some pics on Instagram (instagram.com/fogofgore/) if you want, I would love to see the results!
Bedankt voor de tips, ga nu voor het eerst een wash gebruiken op Mn toernooi leger! Benieuwd naar het resultaat
Success! Laat me weten hoe het gaat.
@@FogOfGore ontzettend goed gegaan! Brengt gelijk een extra dimensie en realiteit aan het paintwerk en ik ben er ontzettend tevreden mee! Was de eerste uit ons hobby groepje die het heeft gedaan, de andere 5 man hebben ook gelijk streaking grime etc besteld. Natuurlijk naar jouw video doorverwezen!
@@Calibrett0 Mooi om te horen dat ze allemaal ook gelijk over zijn gegaan :D Streaking Grim is zo makkelijk te gebruiken en het voegt heel veel toe. Ik ga binnenkort wat andere enamels uitproberen en meer van deze videos maken.
What would be de Dutch product for White spirit? Because you said turpentine was to strong for it. If I translate it in google is says ''Terpentine''.
Just want to check before I destroy my mini.
Can You then acrylic varnish the miniature when they have had streaking grime and/or white spirit used on them?
Yes, but be careful. The streaking grime makes it look dusty and so a gloss or satin varnish will reduce the dustiness of the model. You can just paint with acrylics over streaking grime, it will hold.
@@FogOfGore thanks.
Ok, so what am I doing wrong here? I'm using the "brush away with spirits"- method, but when it dries outside recesses, where I also need it to be, it dries grainy and leaves rings here and there. I have to brush on the grime, because I don't have room for an airbrush. Is there something to do with the process? Do I have to let it dry completely before brushing on the spirits?
I'm brushing on the grime as well, I never use an airbrush, so I don't have a choice either. So that shouldn't be a problem.
I have used white spirits on wet and on dry Streaking Grime as well and the results are the same both times, so I don't think that's it either.
What sort of white spirits are you using? Are you sure it's white spirits and not turpentine or something else?
Maybe you're not using enough Streaking Grime or white spirits? With the brush technique that I use I really drwon the model in both. To the point that I am holding my model holder with a paper towel to soak up the running down white spirits. That might be it?
Let me know if this helps, I'd love to help figure out what's going wrong for you.
@@FogOfGore I think I am just demanding too much of the streaking grime. I’m using it on my blood bowl team and I think I’m just dilluting it too much on the yellow and lighter parts. Maybe I should go for the washy method for those parts and heavy grime on the darker bits...
@@madsjohansen1135 yeah, I would definitely use the wash method for the lighter parts. Maybe 4:1 white spirits : Streaking Grime when washing white and 3:1 for light colours.
well, I'm not convinced to use Streaking Grime for my minis. looks like a huge mess to me, but thanks for your effort with this video
With the last method, is the streaking grime still wet on the model? Or dried as well?
I apply the white spirits while the Streaking Grime is still wet, but you don't have to. If it's dry and you go over it with white spirits the enamel will dilute again and seep into the recesses. When I paint a whole squad I batch paint them in groups of 5 and start with Streaking Grime for all of them and then White Spirits for all of them.
Can i use streaking grime with an airbrush ?
And what is the drying Time of streaking grime ?
Otherwise, another great video with simple explanations 👍
I think you can. I don't have an airbrush though, so I haven't tried it myself. I assume you would have to dilute it a little with some white spirits. And of course clean with white spirits too!
Yess it flow great through the airbrush! Squidmar uses an airbrush in his enamel wash vid
The Dutch translation of white spirits is 'terpentine'. But turpentine is also 'terpentine'. You said we better get the white spirites and not the turpentine. How do I know the difference when I want to buy it?
Yeah, it's confusing, I'm Dutch too :) I believe that these are the right translations from English to Dutch:
Turpentine = Thinner (aggressive, melts plastic)
White Spirits = Terpentine
The safest bet is to get it from a hobby shop. This looks like the right stuff: www.hobbyshop-online.nl/schilderen/hulpmiddelen/hulpmiddelen-olieverf/hulpmiddelen-olieverf-mediums/reuklozeterpentine-1000ml/
The dark grime tends to peel off easily if you touch it with the fingers... How I can fix the enamel paint? Thanks!.
I don't really have that problem, to be honest. How long do you let it dry before handling the models? Enamels take a lot longer than acrylics to completely cure, I normally wait about 4-5 days before doing anything with them to make sure it's done completely.
If that doesn't work, a varnish is the way to go. It might be a good idea anyway. Get a spray can of matt varnish (from vallejo or some other minipainting brand) and lightly spray the models. You should still wait a couple days before doing this to make sure the enamel is dry.
Thanks for this video. This really helped out. Quick question though. Should I stay away from “mineral spirits”? I’m having a tough time finding white spirit in a large quantity for cheap.
Yeah, you can use mineral spirits as well, but make sure it's the colourless kind. The only mineral spirits I can find is dyed purple 😃 You could check an arts and crafts store or the paint alley in your local DIY store for white spirits as well.
You can use both. Orderless mineral spirits are more or less the same (I think also a country thing, Americans call it mineral spirits while Brits call it White spirit? ). I am from Germany and use turpentine substitute with odorless formula (real turpentine is too strong from what I have read and can eat away your plastics).
Hello. Could you tell us, how does Streaking Grime differs from other enamel paints? Is it sorta the same composition as other enamels, although already thinned down?
The only enamels I have experience with are Streaking Grime, Decay Deposits, Streaking Rust and the three rust tones from AK Interactive. They all are pretty much the same, very "liquid", but they won't just flow into the recesses like a wash normally does. The surface tension with these enamels is not like a contrast paint or wash and so you have to move them around manually. Either with a brush while it is still wet or reactivate it with white spirits once it has dried.
@@FogOfGore Very complete answer, thanks for taking the time, I'll think about it!
What streaking grime are you using? Ak Dark streaking grime?
Just regular streaking grime: ak-interactive.com/product/streaking-grime/
Just a question, the Vallejo Streaking Grime is still ok for these effects or only AK/AMMO Mig ?
No, the Vallejo Streaking Grime is an acrylic paint and not an enamel/oil paint like the AK Interactive Streaking Grime. So for the Vallejo variant you need to use water, like you would with your other acrylic model paints from Vallejo or Citadel/Games Workshop.
I've never used Vallejo Streaking Grime, so I can't tell you how to best use it, but I would assume you have to apply it like any other acrylic paint. You can let enamels dry and then go over them with white spirits and they will dilute again and so you can keep working with them. Once acrylics dry up they form a sort of plastic coat and you can't reactive them again. I think that if you use acrylic streaking grime you have to work neatly and make sure you paint it in the places where you want it. You might be able to dilute it to a wash and use it that way and then brush it off the edges with a brush with water.
@@FogOfGore thx mate!
What would you recommend for pre heresy death guard?
I would go with the wash method and then work in some rust as well. I think that if you use too much of the Streaking Grime on a white base layer they will just turn brown and you lose the bony armour look.
I could not figure out what "white spirit" actually is. Many Hobbyists mentioned it and it bugged me not to know the german translation. It's "Waschbenzin" as I now know if someone is reading this by accident... :D
i think you will have more success looking for "Terpentinersatz", i recently bought some at the hardware store
@@OPShergottite Thank you very much!
@@lemonardodavinci4138 you´re welcome :)
Great bit of info, thanks!
Can I use enamel thinner instead of white spirits?
You have to be careful with other products, they might be so aggressive that they melt your miniature. If you get enamel thinner from an art store then it might work as well as white spirits, but I would be careful with an enamel thinner from the hardware store.
@@FogOfGore I have Tamiya enamel thinner, so i'm hoping it will be fine.
Yeah, that should be perfectly fine! Their products are made for scale models.
OR, just use both the methods. Brush first and go in with cotton to fix any issue areas for precision.
When you soak it, won't the spirits get into the crevasses as well?
Yes, it will, but that's what you want. The white spirits will drag the Streaking Grime into the recesses with it. That way you get more of it in the recesses and less on the upper ridges and surfaces.
Well, I have very good confirmation of myth no 2... I was trying to strip the paint from DP that I wasn't pleased with the effect - no seals used. After two weeks of soaking, plastic went a bit weird, but it almost haven't affected the painting at all 😕
Yeah, acrylic paints form a "plastic layer" over the miniature that you paint with it. You need to brush/scrape it off or use a very strong degreaser that helps it dissolve in water instead.
@@FogOfGore trust me, I was scraping hard, but it didn't help 😜 And methylated spirits are only just little bit better... I think that I will just go back to the breaking fluid 🤣
@@PsychicalTraumaPL yeah, breaking fluid or some industrial cleaner would be better 😃
@@FogOfGore the only downside of breaking fluid, except for the smell, is that's quite agressive, so You have to be careful, unless You want Your models to turn into goo... 🤣
Been using turpentine for a year thinking it was about the same... I was very rough on the underlayer, although I managed to make it work (half of the time) Need to find out how is it sold in Spain... I only seem to find even more aggresive solvents...
My advice would be to talk to someone in a hobby painting store. They should be able to help you with a less strong solvent. Or you can go for the expensive variant from AK Interactive.
I don't really understand what is the difference between streaking grime (enamel) and oil paint.
A simple explanation I can give is that an enamel is a type of oil paint, but it dries much harder. That's why it's good for miniatures that you tend to touch.
Hi .. which streaking grime u use for marine?
I'm using AK 012, this one: ak-interactive.com/product/streaking-grime/
What about odorless WS? Artist’s stuff?
It's great, but expensive. It really depends on your situation. Since making this video I moved and now I am painting in room with just a tiny window for ventilation and so I am using the expensive artist white spirits.
Hmm what type of streaking grime did you use? There are multiple types of em
I just got mine from AK Interactive, I had no idea there were more kinds of Streaking Grime. Where can you find those?
@@FogOfGore Oh. When I searched up “AK Interactive Streaking Grime” on my local online shop, it showed multiple results, there’s one for “Panzer Grey” or “For Dark Yellow Vehicles” etc. All the bottles have different shades as well.
Ah, I guess I'm using the original. It doesn't say anything about what kind of base it is for. Just Streaking Grime. 🙂
@@FogOfGore ooh, thx a lot! That really helped!
Why is my streaking grime more green?
There are different Streaking Grimes and they changed their recipe a while back, so that could be it.
I don't understand why these techniques are being recommended. Either paint on the grime as individual streaks, using thinner to smooth and blend the edges (works on large models or terrain best), or slap the Grime over the whole model and wipe it off the raised surfaces, leaving the grime behind in the crevices. The methods shown are not a good use of the material and fail to leverage its properties as an enamel. If you want a wash, use a wash instead
Hey, it's true that this is not what the product is intended for, but what product would you recommend that would give this effect and is intended to be used as a wash? Honestly curious, because I don't know much about enamels since I mainly paint with acrylics.