I was around in the early days of Hip Hop. It was definitely started by us Blacks! Im so disgusted that people are tryna claim what they know that 'WE started!!! BRONXDALE 1971!!!!!
From whom did DJ Mario learned to play just the breaks ? The elements were there in 1971 but it was not complete. Everything started formulating in 1977. Even Sha La Rock made that statement in Lorenzo ( Lame Jamar ) podcast. Oh, I forgot, you guys like to talk about that. Even Lorenzo stood quiet and deflected by changing the subject. Explain that!!
@BxFinest45 Mario was djing years b4 he got his own equipment. Him and his older brother were playing! Mario was djing b4 Tex partnered with him! Herc himself has said what he saw 3 years b4 he got into it! So do YOU think Mario learned from Puerto Ricans or Jamaicans???? If it wasn't Mario it definitely wasn't any Caribbeans! As far as ShaRock talking about when things 'came together ' she could be speaking about elements being included. ShaRock and other rappers were already rapping by then and we all know the djing was going on by then!
@@BxFinest45 Yall quote pioneers when they say something that yall believe is any type of proof for your narrative, but play deaf whenever that same pioneer has said it was created by Black Americans! You are one of those who believes what the colonizer says, even tho he has had 9 different narratives of the beginning and was NEVER at any of the jams in the 70s!
@@chinablack9790 No one is disputing that he was Djing before Herc. That was not my question. So, stop deflecting!!!! Never stated that DJ Mario learned from Jamaicans or PuertoRicans. Once again, was Dj Mario playing JUST THE BREAKS before Kool Herc ? Or was he just playing disco and the whole entire song ? That’s the difference!! I hope you’re smart enough to understand that. As far Sha La Rock, yes, the elements where there but as she stated, “ Don’t believe anyone who tells you that Hip Hop started in the early 70’s. All the formulas were put together in 1977. That’s when HIP Hop actually started. That’s the point that all you ignorant people don’t understand. You people love to ignore those FACTS because it doesn’t fit ya narrative. So please, Mr. Ignorant can you answer the original question and stop dancing around it.
Excellent point! Ruby Dee is considered the first Latino emcee. "Ruby Dee is my name and I'm a Puerto Rican, you might think I'm Black by the way I'm speaking." This verse from Ruby Dee from Wild Style lets you know that he recognized that he was participating in a Black culture. Ruby Dee and Whipper Whip admitted this on Lord Jamar's podcast. As you stated, they started to participate in an already existing, emerging Black culture. Creation and contribution are two different things. Keep up the great work. Hip Hop is Black American culture.
Facts.. but from what I've been seeing in comments over the months has been Puerto Ricans not contributing at all, nothing, that we're just wannabees and culture vultures etc.. kinda sad, especially from the BX and knowing nothing but PR and Black american culture. Difference between culture vulture and embracing the culture and puerto ricans were the 1st to embrace black culture here. We love yall. But I understand the reaction to the 50/50 comments tho
@@gboogie360 I think some of the early PR pioneers could speak out more and set the record straight. Ruby Dee and Whipper Whip have acknowledged that Hip Hop is and was Black culture. DJ Disco Wiz and Charlie Chase speak on being insulted by certain PR's for playing Black music and hanging with their Black American friends. This proves that some PR's were concerned that these early PR participants were abandoning their PR culture in favor of Black American culture. PR participation and contributions to Hip Hop is not in dispute with elders like Cholly Rock from the Black Spades and the Original Zulu Kings. Cholly Rock gives PR 's credit for keeping b-boying alive and innovating the dance. PR's dominated breaking by the time I started running the streets in the early 80's. I agree with you that PR's were the first to embrace Hip Hop culture but they were not the creators of it. Black Americans are the dominant force in the sport of basketball. We embraced and learned a sport created by a white Canadian doctor who had moved to Massachusetts. We as Black Americans have innovated and created so many changes to the sport of basketball over the decades. Black Americans are the face of professional basketball worldwide. We as Black Americans love the sport of basketball and are highly skilled as players and coaches. Black Americans have made basketball the global sport it is today. Black Americans will tell you that in spite of all we've brought to the table, we did not create the game of basketball. It is a European invention. We've changed the way the game is played, but the core essence of basketball is still what Dr. Naismith invented in 1891. I say all this to say that creation and contribution are two different things. There is a false narrative that Jamaican culture is the origin of Hip Hop and that false narrative is crumbling under research being brought forth by brother AKiEM and numerous others who are presenting information to challenge the lies and myths. To those who deal with truth and facts, PR participation and contributions to Hip Hop are not denied, it's the 50/50 co-creation narrative that needs to be corrected and debunked. Peace to you.
@@Bronxbred yea I never said we created it... its the discrediting of us in our contributions whether they're small or big. Big difference between PR and PR from the island, and PR from the 40s and 50s.. ✌. But I get ya point
Latin funk, Latin soul , Latin r n b, Latin rap, forefront civil rights movement, built America, fought in civil war. These Latinos are sick to the point where they are not normal.
We are really the Best, always inviting others in, which is sickening and then they take Credit!! Rock and Roll, fashion, history, inventions but never get the Credit. Everything even Jesus, better Read the Bible!!!! You Heard!!!!
Question. Exactly what is latin funk ? I didn't know that actually existed. Sounds like to like latin folk doing their interpretation/cover of Black American Funk music.
Congas drums been a thing with with carribeans.Ricans play it all day ..Black American dont even like Africans drums like us....I love both Soul music and Salsa cuban music It is what it is.......
@@mikelugo8983 you’re wrong about that. Every city in the country has an ‘African Drum Circle’ some with histories and drummers going back to the 1950/60/70s when Black Americans got into African drumming. A lot more Djimbe drums these days, back then we were using Congas more - because they are “African Drums”
Bro thank you for that astronaut picture some one came on my page talking about a puerto rican woman at NASA . Who is classified as a "person of color "😅. Puerto Rico to Ohio. Assimilation.. Wonder what type of scholarships and grants she received?
Salsa and other music has AFRICA INFLUENCE!!! STOP PLAYING, EVERYONE IS ALWAYS TRYING TO TAKE CREDIT FOR OUR MUSIC, MARCHING FOR FREEDOM AND EVERYTHING, TIRED OF THE B.S. WE ARE THE CREATORS OF EVERYTHING!!!!!!!$!!!!!!
@@reefreef1866 no we are not. Africans are from the continent of Africa, my native people the Taino were on this part of the world way before any Africans sailed here.
Good video! The question must be asked- Where are all the other Black American legends (e.g., Cold Crush) to push back on this narrative that Puerto Rican, Hispanics, and Caribbeans (e.g., DJ Herc) created Hip Hop? Why is it we only have some RUclips influencers speaking out?
I talk to jdl/coldcrush all the time he stay at my brother's place from time to time and he stay getting on me about making some beats for him i tell jdl in a few months when i set up my recording studio me him and whoever can start putting that fire🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 out there jdl be telling me the history of what us black people created (hip hop) I'm from the era when hip hop started it's a crew from my neighborhood in newburgh ny in the 70's/80's that was about to battle the cold crush in the bronx and a fight broke out because my cousin that was in the newburgh ny crew was mushing jdl i knew about this incident since i was younger when jdl break it down it's funny as fuck cause he was there and he said after the altercation both crews that night started talking laughing and joking about it r.i.p kid nice who was a part of the newburgh ny crew that night
Props to you for the Kid Nice (R.I.P.) shout out! He was for real!! You better record the information now while folks are alive to remember and care. Peace!@@zep1898
Only now with Tariq Nasheed. Where has everyone been for the past 30 years. And why have all the big-time acts like Jay-Z, Puff Daddy, Queen Latifa, LL Cool J, Public Enemy, Wu Tang Clan, Nas, 50 Cent OutKast, The Roots, etc., been so quiet over the years on this issue and allowed others to claim the creation of Hip Hop? @@dryinkdryink675
Also don’t forget that this wasn’t a widespread accepted music. You had to press record on your Boombox late at night to get the real hip hop experience. It was seen as degenerate to our parents generation who grew up listening to live instrumentation. DJ Phase 2 said it best “.How are you gonna charge people to come to a jam at a park?” If Hip Hop is 50. Those first B Boys are minimum 60 to 70+ years old today. They were KIDS going off to the beat, burnin’, rockin’ etc. Nobody knew it would go this far. Just like 20 years from now people won’t believe that for the first 50 years of Hip Hop nobody ever thought B Boying would become an Olympic event.
The story goes like this.Tony tone teamed up with Chase so more hiapanics would come to the parties.If u did anything to charlie chase,biack people would beat you to a pulp🤪
Why would Tony need to team up with Chase to get more Hispanics to come to the parties, if according to yall, Hip Hop started with Puerto Ricans???? The lies that you put in your comments are RIDICULOUS! If you like, I can get them on the phone for you and clear up any more 'misconceptions' that you have, before you keep spreading your BULLSHIT! ♠️ ♠️
You didn’t help create anything your own pioneers like Chase said that on drink champs!!!! On the average ricans have 68% Spanish Caucasian which means you only have a small amount of African dna 🧬 you not like us
Man we been mix sence the African mixture.Tiano spain and yrs Africans.So thats why it is what it is...They been mixing for ever..Same ghettos wheather Brooklyn Or South Bronx Thats why is so nautral .These 3 mixture makes us so versatile thats all im saying...❤❤BX 59 strong ...
American music forms: Spirituals, Blues, Ragtime, Jazz, Country, Gospel, Bluegrass, Folk, Rock n Roll, Doo-Wop, Soul, Funk, Disco, Punk, House and of course Rap and Hip Hop---all enjoy well documented African American roots coupled with undeniable Black American influence---whether directly or indirectly.. Latinos -- Puerto Ricans particularly -- please explain how you co-created or co-invented yet another installment in the legacy of Black Musical expression known as Rap and Hip Hop, yet didn't co-create or co-invent any of the elements of the 14 or so African American music forms that preceeded it? Or why you were nowhere to be found and absent during the creative and inventive foundation outlining the forms of African American musical expression, brilliance and greatness throughout, or even prior to the previous 14 or so African American music forms that are mentioned above. Yet then, all of a sudden--out of nowhere, you folks come along and falsely claim latinos and/or puerto ricans co-created and co-invented Rap and Hip Hop 50/50 half n half (which is the evidence-free and utter nonsense being peddled by Dr. Derrick Colon, radical latino, Fat Joe and numerous other un-informed and envious latinos---claims latinos never mentioned, verbalized or asserted during its inception in the early 1970's)---latinos claims of "50/50--half & half co-creation and co-invention just don't add up---it makes no sense and are increasingly coming under heavy scrutiny which is leading to these claims being easily debunked--widespread. Nice try though latinos and puerto ricans. Make it make sense Latinos.
They have to stop saying it's Latin fusion because what brought Puerto Ricans to hip hop were the african congas. When they heard the rhythms it reminded them of their homeland . Puerto Ricans know the origins of Bomba music is west Africa so I don't understand why they identify the beats as latin.
Soooo. I've been answering all the questions you asked of me on that other channel. Every single time he erased them. The documentary as you know is The Founding Fathers and the time stamp is 27 mins or so. All you have to do is skip to the point where they throw up King Charles' name.
@@TRUTHTEACHER2007 right, it was probably YT deleting comments. So I have been way ahead of you the entire time. I talk about King Charles in this video. He shows up years after mobile systems are a thing. ruclips.net/video/AAWWqSIkORA/видео.htmlsi=8HC_fEBgLSCyLMs_ Watch the whole video, mobile DJing was something that existed around the whole country. It’s not easy to document but it comes from radio DJing… But tell me why no one claims Jamaicans taught the white disco DJs or claims the white audio companies learned speaker building from Jamaicans? Where all them festivals in the 60s learning how to build systems from Jamaicans? Y’all don’t understand the development of sound systems.
@@AKiEM. No. That was him deleting my comments. I gave you the time stamp three times. He also said Black American culture has no African influences. I made a comment listing several examples of African continuity in African American culture. He erased that. How odd that YT only chooses to delete my comments when I refute his claims. Whatever. To the question at hand. Go back and read my comments and then look at them in context with the time stamp. There's a whole lot of details you left out. I was very specific in my claims. First of all, this is the pre-Hip-Hop era. Of course the later Hip-Hop DJs are standing on their shoulders, that's a no brainer. I never denied the fact that Americans had DJs before we came. That's just another no brainer, the point is, we weren't casual observers, we made contributions as well. The full segment goes into detail about what Charles brought to the game. Nowhere did I say he started the game. You asked who said they were taught sound system battling from Jamaicans? We;; here's the thing. Once an idea is out there, it takes legs. Nobody was asking who created this, where they came from. That's not how real life works. Somebody starts something, it inspires somebody, they adopt it, they intern inspire others, they adopt it, then somebody innovates on it and it keeps evolving. So just because somebody can't trace a stamp to something doesn't negate the probability that the initial start came from a particular person, or persons. In my comments I've been stating emphatically the Herc didn't bring sound systems to the Bronx, that he wasn't the first DJ and that he had American mentors.But he and another West Indian took things in a different direction. No one is saying that Blacks were passive observers or recipients. I've been quite vocal to the contrary. This is why I keep saying without Blacks it couldn't exist, that was the foundation. I been saying that from day one. But what I've also ben pointing out is that nothing nor no-one exists in a vacuum. There are Latin influences in American music in general and those elements found their way into a lot of the samples of early Hip-hop music. White American music wouldn't be what it is without the creativity of blacks. Black music wouldn't be what it is without the European influences. All of our musics are derived from a blending of traditions, period.
@@TRUTHTEACHER2007 simple answer: If you cant show an actual connection, two things just looking similar is not enough especially when they also share the same roots. What you dont understand the obvious more plausible answers. We already had contests for example, even Battle Of The Bands, so saying it was soundclash is just bsing. show a DJ from then saying, 'we started battling because what the Jamaicans were doing' Many of these people are still alive, I have talked with some of them and asked them specifically. I am going to take what they say over you and colon everytime. Was there zero interaction, of course not. But claiming soundclash culture is what starts BK DJ culture is nonsense. Claiming Herc even ran a JA sound system is nonsense. All these claims doing everything possible to credit a Jamaican origin story is bs. You know Colon and these people are not talking about DJs just interacting....
@@AKiEM. Maybe it can't be proven, but neither can it be totally excluded. It's still within the realm of possibility. As to what was added, once again, I cite the video and what those DJs said the nature of the interaction was. Bottom line, we didn't come empty handed.There were interactions and borrowings. So like I said, just because someone doesn't have knowledge of who started something doesn't mean there wasn't an influence. Like I said, once something is out there, it's out there. Most people have no idea who originally initiated it. Prime example. Who was the person who invented The Bump? Who was the first person to do the Freak or The Smurf? Nobody knows. Somebody saw someone do something, they copied it and it went viral. So can we unequivocally rule out Jamaican Sound Clash? No. But one thing is clear, King Charles did bring in some innovations and they iterated what those were when they said he was the first to do XYZ. Those were a lot of firsts. So even if he didn't introduce Sound Clash, there's still a lot of things that he did introduce in that Pre-Hip-hop era and he was responsible for introducing Americans to Jamaican sounds. My best friend was Black American. Most of his family lived in Queens. His cousin was a DJ. Not a big name, but a DJ. Most DJs didn't have big names. Regardless, I was surprised to find out they all listened to Reggae. We had our own clubs and parties and Americans came to them too. My best friend knew all the latest Jamaican trends before I did because of his family i Queens where there were a lot of Jamaicans. Like I keep saying, nobody exists in a vacuum. It doesn't take anything away from Americans in any way.
@@TRUTHTEACHER2007 The Narrative is that Jamaicans brought Soundclash Culture to the states and sparked Hip-Hop or sparked mobile DJing. Yes that can be ruled out. King Charles 'First to have Crown and McIntosh amps,' purchased from a store, not built by hand. L48s are Cerwin-Vega cabinets purchased at the store, not built, came out in 1977. Maybe he modified them. Yellowman came out early 1980s. No he was not the first mobile system. No he did not spark the Soundclash Culture which turned into Hip-Hop Battling. And thats no disrespect to him, he just came later and did not do what the Myth says. If he had a cabinet modification that caught on, ok. But so what? These type of arguments you and Colon are doing are designed to leave the impression (or you believe) that Hip-Hop has its roots in Jamaican culture. It does not. Im sure there are other cultures which are under attack around the world, but I have never heard of anything like this bs which has been happening for a century. This attack on the continuity and origin of Black American Culture. Every single culture in the world has influences or is a mixture of several other ethnic groups but none are attacked continually with these fallacy arguments. Spaghetti is Italian food. But tomatoes come from America, and noodles come from China. And there is NO ONE going in Italian restaurants trying to take some kind of claim on Italian food. Spaghetti is Italian. All this could have, maybe something transferred is all BSing. and what Colon is doing is even worse. smh Hip-Hop does NOT come from Jamaica
Blacks always dominated hip hop but we were just thier becsuse we lived in the same hoods.I kept a hold on my PR roots..U dont even have to sale out.N word for sure we usually grew up with your.We learned the N word with blacks Period .And dont like using it.Once i knew i offended a black brother i grew up with....Peace.
This was a nice break down, keep using their words against them, past interviews almost all of them gave it up to black people, saying this black dj inspired them, this black rapper, this black bboy gave them inspiration, 50 yrs later they saying they helped create it 50/50 🤦🏽♀️ this is what happens when u invite people to the bbq they start to claim sh!t and call u ninja in the process 👀 even the tools and style used the turntables, cutting, scratching, mixing, James Brown sampling they got it all from watching 👀 the brothers all of it, including how they came up with their DJ names
That’s what I say all the time . If Blacks and Rican’s were so much together why are people surprised he was the dj !
Excellent presentation. How much more do we have to present to establish hip hop is black culture?
I was around in the early days of Hip Hop. It was definitely started by us Blacks! Im so disgusted that people are tryna claim what they know that 'WE started!!! BRONXDALE 1971!!!!!
DJ Mario!!!!!!
From whom did DJ Mario learned to play just the breaks ? The elements were there in 1971 but it was not complete. Everything started formulating in 1977. Even Sha La Rock made that statement in Lorenzo ( Lame Jamar ) podcast. Oh, I forgot, you guys like to talk about that. Even Lorenzo stood quiet and deflected by changing the subject. Explain that!!
@BxFinest45 Mario was djing years b4 he got his own equipment. Him and his older brother were playing! Mario was djing b4 Tex partnered with him! Herc himself has said what he saw 3 years b4 he got into it! So do YOU think Mario learned from Puerto Ricans or Jamaicans???? If it wasn't Mario it definitely wasn't any Caribbeans! As far as ShaRock talking about when things 'came together ' she could be speaking about elements being included. ShaRock and other rappers were already rapping by then and we all know the djing was going on by then!
@@BxFinest45 Yall quote pioneers when they say something that yall believe is any type of proof for your narrative, but play deaf whenever that same pioneer has said it was created by Black Americans! You are one of those who believes what the colonizer says, even tho he has had 9 different narratives of the beginning and was NEVER at any of the jams in the 70s!
@@chinablack9790 No one is disputing that he was Djing before Herc. That was not my question. So, stop deflecting!!!! Never stated that DJ Mario learned from Jamaicans or PuertoRicans. Once again, was Dj Mario playing JUST THE BREAKS before Kool Herc ? Or was he just playing disco and the whole entire song ? That’s the difference!! I hope you’re smart enough to understand that. As far Sha La Rock, yes, the elements where there but as she stated, “ Don’t believe anyone who tells you that Hip Hop started in the early 70’s. All the formulas were put together in 1977. That’s when HIP Hop actually started. That’s the point that all you ignorant people don’t understand. You people love to ignore those FACTS because it doesn’t fit ya narrative. So please, Mr. Ignorant can you answer the original question and stop dancing around it.
Excellent point! Ruby Dee is considered the first Latino emcee. "Ruby Dee is my name and I'm a Puerto Rican, you might think I'm Black by the way I'm speaking." This verse from Ruby Dee from Wild Style lets you know that he recognized that he was participating in a Black culture. Ruby Dee and Whipper Whip admitted this on Lord Jamar's podcast. As you stated, they started to participate in an already existing, emerging Black culture. Creation and contribution are two different things. Keep up the great work. Hip Hop is Black American culture.
absolutely
Facts.. but from what I've been seeing in comments over the months has been Puerto Ricans not contributing at all, nothing, that we're just wannabees and culture vultures etc.. kinda sad, especially from the BX and knowing nothing but PR and Black american culture. Difference between culture vulture and embracing the culture and puerto ricans were the 1st to embrace black culture here. We love yall. But I understand the reaction to the 50/50 comments tho
@@gboogie360 I think some of the early PR pioneers could speak out more and set the record straight. Ruby Dee and Whipper Whip have acknowledged that Hip Hop is and was Black culture. DJ Disco Wiz and Charlie Chase speak on being insulted by certain PR's for playing Black music and hanging with their Black American friends. This proves that some PR's were concerned that these early PR participants were abandoning their PR culture in favor of Black American culture. PR participation and contributions to Hip Hop is not in dispute with elders like Cholly Rock from the Black Spades and the Original Zulu Kings. Cholly Rock gives PR 's credit for keeping b-boying alive and innovating the dance. PR's dominated breaking by the time I started running the streets in the early 80's. I agree with you that PR's were the first to embrace Hip Hop culture but they were not the creators of it. Black Americans are the dominant force in the sport of basketball. We embraced and learned a sport created by a white Canadian doctor who had moved to Massachusetts. We as Black Americans have innovated and created so many changes to the sport of basketball over the decades. Black Americans are the face of professional basketball worldwide. We as Black Americans love the sport of basketball and are highly skilled as players and coaches. Black Americans have made basketball the global sport it is today. Black Americans will tell you that in spite of all we've brought to the table, we did not create the game of basketball. It is a European invention. We've changed the way the game is played, but the core essence of basketball is still what Dr. Naismith invented in 1891.
I say all this to say that creation and contribution are two different things. There is a false narrative that Jamaican culture is the origin of Hip Hop and that false narrative is crumbling under research being brought forth by brother AKiEM and numerous others who are presenting information to challenge the lies and myths. To those who deal with truth and facts, PR participation and contributions to Hip Hop are not denied, it's the 50/50 co-creation narrative that needs to be corrected and debunked. Peace to you.
@@Bronxbred yea I never said we created it... its the discrediting of us in our contributions whether they're small or big. Big difference between PR and PR from the island, and PR from the 40s and 50s.. ✌. But I get ya point
@@gboogie360What did Puerto Ricans contribute to Hip Hop? Don't get offended, I just need a clear understanding of what you see as contribution.
Latin funk, Latin soul , Latin r n b, Latin rap, forefront civil rights movement, built America, fought in civil war. These Latinos are sick to the point where they are not normal.
We are really the Best, always inviting others in, which is sickening and then they take Credit!! Rock and Roll, fashion, history, inventions but never get the Credit. Everything even Jesus, better Read the Bible!!!! You Heard!!!!
If ya the best, was is it exactly are ya doing to move the culture forward ?
11:34 I was driving in da’ Bronx last night listening and when I heard this I almost crashed on Boston Rd… 😂😭
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@@AKiEM. Fo’ Real!!! Fo’ Real!!!
*I HOLLERED!!!* I was serving back n’ forth!!!🤣😂😭👍🏿
Priceless!!!🙏🏿
@@TheBOOSTEDO I had it running in may car last night too and forgot about the end 😂😂😂 it hits different in the car 😂😂
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Question. Exactly what is latin funk ? I didn't know that actually existed. Sounds like to like latin folk doing their interpretation/cover of Black American Funk music.
They copy everything we do
Life would be Boring without US, You Dig!!!
Congas drums been a thing with with carribeans.Ricans play it all day ..Black American dont even like Africans drums like us....I love both Soul music and Salsa cuban music It is what it is.......
@@mikelugo8983 you’re wrong about that. Every city in the country has an ‘African Drum Circle’ some with histories and drummers going back to the 1950/60/70s when Black Americans got into African drumming. A lot more Djimbe drums these days, back then we were using Congas more - because they are “African Drums”
Bro thank you for that astronaut picture some one came on my page talking about a puerto rican woman at NASA . Who is classified as a "person of color "😅. Puerto Rico to Ohio. Assimilation.. Wonder what type of scholarships and grants she received?
Puerto Rican and they playing FBA music this is funy
Salsa and other music has AFRICA INFLUENCE!!! STOP PLAYING, EVERYONE IS ALWAYS TRYING TO TAKE CREDIT FOR OUR MUSIC, MARCHING FOR FREEDOM AND EVERYTHING, TIRED OF THE B.S. WE ARE THE CREATORS OF EVERYTHING!!!!!!!$!!!!!!
African influence maybe but not FBA influence.
African or Black influences everything!! Again, stop playing, how many times I have to say this!!!. Everything is bland without us, You Dig....
@@JohnBrown-k1x FBA and African aren't the samething. You can't have it both ways. Merengue music is a Dominican creation, no FBA influence at all.
@@DominicanManowarFan Wrong! We are Africans Period!
@@reefreef1866 no we are not. Africans are from the continent of Africa, my native people the Taino were on this part of the world way before any Africans sailed here.
If you're the 1st to break through, that means you didn't start it.
Good video! The question must be asked- Where are all the other Black American legends (e.g., Cold Crush) to push back on this narrative that Puerto Rican, Hispanics, and Caribbeans (e.g., DJ Herc) created Hip Hop? Why is it we only have some RUclips influencers speaking out?
Caz, Cholly Rock, Sha Rock....
I talk to jdl/coldcrush all the time he stay at my brother's place from time to time and he stay getting on me about making some beats for him i tell jdl in a few months when i set up my recording studio me him and whoever can start putting that fire🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 out there jdl be telling me the history of what us black people created (hip hop) I'm from the era when hip hop started it's a crew from my neighborhood in newburgh ny in the 70's/80's that was about to battle the cold crush in the bronx and a fight broke out because my cousin that was in the newburgh ny crew was mushing jdl i knew about this incident since i was younger when jdl break it down it's funny as fuck cause he was there and he said after the altercation both crews that night started talking laughing and joking about it r.i.p kid nice who was a part of the newburgh ny crew that night
Props to you for the Kid Nice (R.I.P.) shout out! He was for real!! You better record the information now while folks are alive to remember and care. Peace!@@zep1898
Only now with Tariq Nasheed. Where has everyone been for the past 30 years. And why have all the big-time acts like Jay-Z, Puff Daddy, Queen Latifa, LL Cool J, Public Enemy, Wu Tang Clan, Nas, 50 Cent OutKast, The Roots, etc., been so quiet over the years on this issue and allowed others to claim the creation of Hip Hop? @@dryinkdryink675
Also don’t forget that this wasn’t a widespread accepted music. You had to press record on your Boombox late at night to get the real hip hop experience. It was seen as degenerate to our parents generation who grew up listening to live instrumentation. DJ Phase 2 said it best “.How are you gonna charge people to come to a jam at a park?” If Hip Hop is 50. Those first B Boys are minimum 60 to 70+ years old today. They were KIDS going off to the beat, burnin’, rockin’ etc. Nobody knew it would go this far. Just like 20 years from now people won’t believe that for the first 50 years of Hip Hop nobody ever thought B Boying would become an Olympic event.
The story goes like this.Tony tone teamed up with Chase so more hiapanics would come to the parties.If u did anything to charlie chase,biack people would beat you to a pulp🤪
Why would Tony need to team up with Chase to get more Hispanics to come to the parties, if according to yall, Hip Hop started with Puerto Ricans???? The lies that you put in your comments are RIDICULOUS! If you like, I can get them on the phone for you and clear up any more 'misconceptions' that you have, before you keep spreading your BULLSHIT! ♠️ ♠️
"Hip Hop with Latin Fusion"?? I thought they created it Hip Hop?? Can't make this 💩 up...🤣🤣
We Puerto Rican help create hip hop didn't you know we are half African facts is facts
You didn’t help create anything your own pioneers like Chase said that on drink champs!!!! On the average ricans have 68% Spanish Caucasian which means you only have a small amount of African dna 🧬 you not like us
Man we been mix sence the African mixture.Tiano spain and yrs Africans.So thats why it is what it is...They been mixing for ever..Same ghettos wheather Brooklyn Or South Bronx
Thats why is so nautral .These 3 mixture makes us so versatile thats all im saying...❤❤BX 59 strong ...
American music forms: Spirituals, Blues, Ragtime, Jazz, Country, Gospel, Bluegrass, Folk, Rock n Roll, Doo-Wop, Soul, Funk, Disco, Punk, House and of course Rap and Hip Hop---all enjoy well documented African American roots coupled with undeniable Black American influence---whether directly or indirectly..
Latinos -- Puerto Ricans particularly -- please explain how you co-created or co-invented yet another installment in the legacy of Black Musical expression known as Rap and Hip Hop, yet didn't co-create or co-invent any of the elements of the 14 or so African American music forms that preceeded it? Or why you were nowhere to be found and absent during the creative and inventive foundation outlining the forms of African American musical expression, brilliance and greatness throughout, or even prior to the previous 14 or so African American music forms that are mentioned above. Yet then, all of a sudden--out of nowhere, you folks come along and falsely claim latinos and/or puerto ricans co-created and co-invented Rap and Hip Hop 50/50 half n half (which is the evidence-free and utter nonsense being peddled by Dr. Derrick Colon, radical latino, Fat Joe and numerous other un-informed and envious latinos---claims latinos never mentioned, verbalized or asserted during its inception in the early 1970's)---latinos claims of "50/50--half & half co-creation and co-invention just don't add up---it makes no sense and are increasingly coming under heavy scrutiny which is leading to these claims being easily debunked--widespread. Nice try though latinos and puerto ricans.
Make it make sense Latinos.
They have to stop saying it's Latin fusion because what brought Puerto Ricans to hip hop were the african congas. When they heard the rhythms it reminded them of their homeland . Puerto Ricans know the origins of Bomba music is west Africa so I don't understand why they identify the beats as latin.
Soooo. I've been answering all the questions you asked of me on that other channel. Every single time he erased them. The documentary as you know is The Founding Fathers and the time stamp is 27 mins or so. All you have to do is skip to the point where they throw up King Charles' name.
@@TRUTHTEACHER2007 right, it was probably YT deleting comments.
So I have been way ahead of you the entire time. I talk about King Charles in this video. He shows up years after mobile systems are a thing. ruclips.net/video/AAWWqSIkORA/видео.htmlsi=8HC_fEBgLSCyLMs_
Watch the whole video, mobile DJing was something that existed around the whole country. It’s not easy to document but it comes from radio DJing… But tell me why no one claims Jamaicans taught the white disco DJs or claims the white audio companies learned speaker building from Jamaicans? Where all them festivals in the 60s learning how to build systems from Jamaicans? Y’all don’t understand the development of sound systems.
@@AKiEM. No. That was him deleting my comments. I gave you the time stamp three times. He also said Black American culture has no African influences. I made a comment listing several examples of African continuity in African American culture. He erased that. How odd that YT only chooses to delete my comments when I refute his claims. Whatever.
To the question at hand. Go back and read my comments and then look at them in context with the time stamp. There's a whole lot of details you left out. I was very specific in my claims. First of all, this is the pre-Hip-Hop era. Of course the later Hip-Hop DJs are standing on their shoulders, that's a no brainer. I never denied the fact that Americans had DJs before we came. That's just another no brainer, the point is, we weren't casual observers, we made contributions as well. The full segment goes into detail about what Charles brought to the game. Nowhere did I say he started the game. You asked who said they were taught sound system battling from Jamaicans? We;; here's the thing. Once an idea is out there, it takes legs. Nobody was asking who created this, where they came from. That's not how real life works. Somebody starts something, it inspires somebody, they adopt it, they intern inspire others, they adopt it, then somebody innovates on it and it keeps evolving. So just because somebody can't trace a stamp to something doesn't negate the probability that the initial start came from a particular person, or persons.
In my comments I've been stating emphatically the Herc didn't bring sound systems to the Bronx, that he wasn't the first DJ and that he had American mentors.But he and another West Indian took things in a different direction. No one is saying that Blacks were passive observers or recipients. I've been quite vocal to the contrary. This is why I keep saying without Blacks it couldn't exist, that was the foundation. I been saying that from day one. But what I've also ben pointing out is that nothing nor no-one exists in a vacuum. There are Latin influences in American music in general and those elements found their way into a lot of the samples of early Hip-hop music. White American music wouldn't be what it is without the creativity of blacks. Black music wouldn't be what it is without the European influences. All of our musics are derived from a blending of traditions, period.
@@TRUTHTEACHER2007 simple answer: If you cant show an actual connection, two things just looking similar is not enough especially when they also share the same roots. What you dont understand the obvious more plausible answers. We already had contests for example, even Battle Of The Bands, so saying it was soundclash is just bsing. show a DJ from then saying, 'we started battling because what the Jamaicans were doing' Many of these people are still alive, I have talked with some of them and asked them specifically. I am going to take what they say over you and colon everytime. Was there zero interaction, of course not. But claiming soundclash culture is what starts BK DJ culture is nonsense. Claiming Herc even ran a JA sound system is nonsense. All these claims doing everything possible to credit a Jamaican origin story is bs. You know Colon and these people are not talking about DJs just interacting....
@@AKiEM. Maybe it can't be proven, but neither can it be totally excluded. It's still within the realm of possibility. As to what was added, once again, I cite the video and what those DJs said the nature of the interaction was. Bottom line, we didn't come empty handed.There were interactions and borrowings. So like I said, just because someone doesn't have knowledge of who started something doesn't mean there wasn't an influence. Like I said, once something is out there, it's out there. Most people have no idea who originally initiated it. Prime example. Who was the person who invented The Bump? Who was the first person to do the Freak or The Smurf? Nobody knows. Somebody saw someone do something, they copied it and it went viral.
So can we unequivocally rule out Jamaican Sound Clash? No. But one thing is clear, King Charles did bring in some innovations and they iterated what those were when they said he was the first to do XYZ. Those were a lot of firsts. So even if he didn't introduce Sound Clash, there's still a lot of things that he did introduce in that Pre-Hip-hop era and he was responsible for introducing Americans to Jamaican sounds. My best friend was Black American. Most of his family lived in Queens. His cousin was a DJ. Not a big name, but a DJ. Most DJs didn't have big names. Regardless, I was surprised to find out they all listened to Reggae. We had our own clubs and parties and Americans came to them too. My best friend knew all the latest Jamaican trends before I did because of his family i Queens where there were a lot of Jamaicans. Like I keep saying, nobody exists in a vacuum. It doesn't take anything away from Americans in any way.
@@TRUTHTEACHER2007 The Narrative is that Jamaicans brought Soundclash Culture to the states and sparked Hip-Hop or sparked mobile DJing. Yes that can be ruled out.
King Charles
'First to have Crown and McIntosh amps,' purchased from a store, not built by hand. L48s are Cerwin-Vega cabinets purchased at the store, not built, came out in 1977. Maybe he modified them. Yellowman came out early 1980s. No he was not the first mobile system. No he did not spark the Soundclash Culture which turned into Hip-Hop Battling. And thats no disrespect to him, he just came later and did not do what the Myth says. If he had a cabinet modification that caught on, ok. But so what?
These type of arguments you and Colon are doing are designed to leave the impression (or you believe) that Hip-Hop has its roots in Jamaican culture. It does not. Im sure there are other cultures which are under attack around the world, but I have never heard of anything like this bs which has been happening for a century. This attack on the continuity and origin of Black American Culture. Every single culture in the world has influences or is a mixture of several other ethnic groups but none are attacked continually with these fallacy arguments. Spaghetti is Italian food. But tomatoes come from America, and noodles come from China. And there is NO ONE going in Italian restaurants trying to take some kind of claim on Italian food. Spaghetti is Italian. All this could have, maybe something transferred is all BSing. and what Colon is doing is even worse. smh
Hip-Hop does NOT come from Jamaica
Blacks always dominated hip hop but we were just thier becsuse we lived in the same hoods.I kept a hold on my PR roots..U dont even have to sale out.N word for sure we usually grew up with your.We learned the N word with blacks Period .And dont like using it.Once i knew i offended a black brother i grew up with....Peace.
That sounds like gogo music
This was a nice break down, keep using their words against them, past interviews almost all of them gave it up to black people, saying this black dj inspired them, this black rapper, this black bboy gave them inspiration, 50 yrs later they saying they helped create it 50/50 🤦🏽♀️ this is what happens when u invite people to the bbq they start to claim sh!t and call u ninja in the process 👀 even the tools and style used the turntables, cutting, scratching, mixing, James Brown sampling they got it all from watching 👀 the brothers all of it, including how they came up with their DJ names
No they don't
Go watch krs one
@@JohnRodriquez-wo1mg for what?