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Well, Jason, it is like this. I planned on going to the new Microcenter in Charlotte, NC.Opened my Gmail to find out they canceled the opening for no reason,no info on the new opening date.🙄
the disagreement I have if you can even call it that is the jump from 1440p to 4k. Is it really worth the effort and the huge expense? Or will the visuals look 'the same'? Getting older my eyes are fuzzy view anyway so 1440p sees to be the no need to improve the size to see the text. and I forgot what I was talking about dammit
got a 4090 strix and an AMD 5900x . Missed this CPU gen as I didnt think the jump was enough at 4k. Hoping next gen is gonna make it worth while as the cash is burning a hole in my pocket
@@tommyrotton9468 I'll throw in on this, since it's something I went through some years ago. The jump from 1080p to 1440p (1600p in my case) is huge. The jump from 1440p to 4k is significant, but not nearly as striking. The ringer: going to ultrawide is another huge jump in visuals, especially if you go 21:10 with something like a 3840x1600 panel. The question you have to answer for yourself is whether you want more vertical or more horizontal screen real estate. Anything first person or third person will benefit from the latter. Anything isometric or top down will benefit more from the former.
@@jayvee8502 thats what Im looking forward to. Get a 5090 then the new x3d when that comes out to back it up. Should be good for at least a year at 4k 😂
Never future proof, but you can buy with a mind towards the future in getting a MB with Gen 5 lanes everywhere, yes it overkill now, but as the build ages those faster lanes will eventually be usable for nice improvements. Also, I'm buying parts as i can afford them so i can avoid putting them on CC. Just waiting now for a MB i really want, if i bought it now i'd get the asrock Taichi Lite, but I kind of want to see the newer AMD chipset that will come later this year.
My night is saved, thanks for your content. I enjoy that you are not stuck on anything, you relay the best or most valid, not biased to any one supplier.
well future proofing is not always bad:) . I got 7800x3d instead of 7600 and got it 4070ti super - plan to upgrade to 5080 in january. And I am sure that my CPU is quite good to not bottleneck next gpu upgrade :)
@@anitaremenarova6662 It is future proofing. If gpu upgrade is in 8-or 10 months -its future. And I know that current CPU will not be bottlenecking mine next GPU upgrade - so its future proof. It is not your concern how much often I upgrade mine GPU if I got good deals :)
Future proofing means buying a component that doesn’t give you any performance boost now in hopes that it will in the future. What you've done here is just build a good pc (;
They didn't though, 6000 series are mobile CPUs (hence why it didn't get that much attention); and 8000 series has been discussed before, those focus on performance with integrated graphics
Apparently ever since 4000 series, which were mobile CPUs too, they decided to leave the even numbers for mobile, to "make things less confusing". I doubt it was a good idea lol
For the competitive gamers out there wondering.. 1440p 240hz or more, is better than 4k at 144hz.. But unless you aspire to be a pro or actually am a pro i would pick 4k, cause you can see better in the distance, but in a game like cs2 you don't need that really and you want the high hz instead... So if you are a pro or want to be, then you want the 1440p 240hz or more, cause it's just "faster"... Not to mention if you want 4k 240hz then you need a gpu that can do that, and that cost more :D If the choice was between 1080p 240hz and 1440p 144hz, i would go with the 1080p 240 hz, or wait and save up for the 1440p 240hz. it all depends how serious you are as a competitive gamer. *Note* higher refresh rate does NOT make you a better player, fyi...lol
There's no reason to chase 4K at this point. Regardless of what you are 1440p is the sweetspot and you won't need an insanely expensive GPU to run it. I prefer ultrawide since my CS:GO days are behind me and the immersion is much better than on a 4K monitor while being much easier to run.
@@anitaremenarova6662 but here is a reason to "chase" 4k, same reason there is to "chase" 1440, otherwise just save even more money on gpu and play 1080, but i wasn't talking bout the money spendt on hardware tho. 4k looks objectively better than 1440 and not everyone is looking for ultrawide or immersion. And there is still pro cs2 players playing at 1080 so i can't agree on saying regardless of what you are 1440 is the sweetspot, cause it's not, it depends on the games you play, monitor size and wallet size tbh.
@@NulJern There isn't, it's not sustainable with current hardware and 1080p has no real HDR options. 1440p has OLED and mini-LED screens out there so it's the best resolution that'll last the longest without having to upgrade. 4K only matters for TVs, you won't notice a difference in pixel density at monitor viewing distance on such a small screen. So yes, 1440p or ultrawide is the sweetspot currently, best sustainable premium display for gaming. Reason FPS players go for 1080p screens is because they're more affordable, not because they're better.
@@anitaremenarova6662 haha what? Not sustainable? But it totally is.. Competitive players don't care about Hdr options, upgradability or longevity and they don't play at 1080 because of the price either lol, some fps players may choose 1080 because of the price but no actual pro competitive players do. And what monitor size are we talking since you say "such a small screen", i can tell you at 4k it matters above 27" monitors when you sit close, and today i know plenty who games on 32" and above on pc and not a tv lol.
I have. Wired magazine did a good article (TBH, I just skimmed it). If they can make it work that would be great, but I also think some of the underlying assumptions about digital computing power usage are changing rapidly. There are also some issues with analog computing due to physical issues (for instance, they store a value as a voltage instead of a binary bit, but what about electrical interference there?).
8 or 12 50 .50 let's see if the make something like 1000 or the do the same stuff from 2000 up to 4000 and people are 🐑 to go for them and price go up and up and up to a point that a a 90 card is like a uste care 2200 euro 😂 I remember when top end were only 700 up to 1000
To this day the biggest change I have ever experienced in gaming was going from 60Hz to 144Hz and switching from a TN panel to an IPS. No resolution, ray tracing or other technology could impact those 2 jumps though. Edit: HDR on 4k seem to be another BIG JUMP going from IPS 1440p.
HDR and path tracing is just as meaningful. Going from 1440p to 4K is overhyped as hell, it's a meaningful jump on TVs but not on around 30" monitors where you can't even tell the pixel density apart.
@@micco35 if you are a hardcore counter strike player you will feel the difference between 144, 240 and 360Hz. Its a really a pure competitive shooter thing. For all the rest totally irrelevant. Idk about Dota, LoL, ...
i believe the 5000 series can go one or two ways ... 1. nvidia further pushes down the power draw on what is achievable at lower power levels. ie each card in the series will draw less power tha it's predecessor while offering more performance (except the the 5060 , i'm beting it'll hardly be different from the 4060). in which case no 12vhpwr cables will melt since the gneration si drawing well below the cable's actual spec , thus making nivida look "right" for backing the standard. or the more likely thing given 4000 series already did the above compared to 300 series; 2. nvidia boost power draw across the board so performance goes up drastically across the board, and we'll see 12vhwpr connectors melting on 5070's and 5080's too this time around.
The only part I think is worth thinking about is your PSU. When it comes to future ask your self this question can my PSU power an upgrade to both my CPU and GPUs, We all know both parts have become power hungry, and I have in past use a good PSU in more than one PC Build.
@@johnnymeansiiFor me, most of the time I do slow-rolling hardware updates, so case psu and the fans are left alone, for example, I would upgrade my mother board and CPU, and then a few years later I would get a new GPU. I try to get around 4-5 years out of major components or 2-3 generations of hardware.
@@2kgamerz434 Dude you are good for a long time, we run literally every flagship 7800x3d/14900k --- 4090/7900... in this house down to --- 3x i5 13600kfs and 6750xt/1660 supers, even the 1660 supers play everything lol..HECK the i7 4770k I have here still does great, so does the 8700... so long as the game has adjustable settings. Heck you can still have a blast on one 1060, I still had one here until I ripped a cap off and couldn't find my solder tweezers and tried to reattach it with a regular iron lol. I stole the cage fan and casing off it for a pi cooler and now it is silicon art lol... I still have a functioning 760 I can probably have a decent time on with some optimizations in the game settings, except I robbed the 3x wind force fans for a home brew router with blow threw cooling lol. I could honestly probably just throw some cheap case fans on it with some duct tape and make a few games run lol. Main point is, if you only plan to game, YOU ARE SET for quite a while. If you want to game at max settings for no reason other than yolo. It's pretty stilly lol. I turn my 4090 down for most games but still find limitiations where its like, why am I running that setting that high except to say I can lol EG. Hell divers with super sampling, it's like, is 4k native not enough lol?
I got my 3090 in September of '22, the 4090 launched the 12th of October. That launch didn't diminish the performance of my card or make it worse, it's still an amazing GPU. Build when you want because there is always something better in the works and you can always upgrade later
ha i ordered a 4080 super last week ... (asus TUF non OC variant ) got it for MSRP too. but got to wait another three weeks now before it gets here . even if 5000 comes before thenn, it'll be a "paper" launch with very few models available , add that to people's rush to buy them , it a whole nother year will pass before a 5080 is actually able to be had by common MSRP paying folks. So think i'm fine jsut sticking with my 4080S when it gets here.
There is no chance of a 5070 being released before Q1 2025... 5090 and maybe the 5080 for the holiday season and both are fairly price agnostic... if they sell the 5090 for 4,000usd people will still buy it.
I have a funny feeling Nvidia will do something wacky and different. The combinations again , the low to mid cards wont sell well because of lack of vram. Hardware unboxed just said Nvidia is doing a 5060 w 8gb while ppl are jumpong on the 12gb train - the 3060
@@adamtajhassam9188 they want to dissuade as many customers from the low end, low margin cards as possible... seeing how popular the 3060 12gb was even in the worse gpu market in history definitely showed that they can sell 12/16gh cards for 500 bucks or more with little push back. If the 5060 has x8 pcie lanes, triple digit bus width and double digit vram I'll be shocked.
Idk for me the people that spend 2200 euro one 4090 now are crazy if you produce or edit or earn money one it go go for it but seriously only game 😅 that lots of money that let's say y can donet to a 3 world country and fad 100 of people for months it sad how the world is going oh well 🐒
I have a 7600x and a 7800xt. I am fine waiting. My last build was a i5 8600k with a 1070Ti and only just upgraded a few months ago. That said if I start upgrading more often then I can actually sell my old parts and get a decent return on them as other then trying to sell my whole old system on facebook market I dont know what to do with it. xD
@@PatrickBateman12871 of course the 7800xt is better it is also more expensive so I would hope its better. Also the 5700X3D is $50 cheaper than the 5900x and has more L3 cache so I would guess it would get you more frames. 7700xt + the 5700X3D is what I would go with.
This gen i picked up a 7900 xtx at $925, and a second at $875. Found a 4080 super at msrp and grabbed it. Sold one of my 7900xtx s. I am anticipating a paper launch of the 5000 series too tier cards in September with an msrp price increase and scalpers selling rhe cards at 2x the price, followed by a price increase in 4000 cards. So msrp on a 4080 super is probably as good as i will get until the following rdna/6000 series cards
I can recommend the Nvidia rtx 3060 12 gig. Just recently built a budget amd ryzen 5600 based system. Cyberpunk 2077 runs super smooth with this combo.
Yeah the 3060 is good if you want Nivdia Features or VR. Otherwise the 6700XT or 6750XT is a better value. However given that the stock is drying out, then I would just get the 7700XT for a little bit more.
I just want the '800' series mobo for ryzen 9000 to have bada** design. Some of the budget b650 and x670 mobo looked as if they were pulled from 2016. The 800 will probably be pcie 5.0 ready for every model.
The question about needing to dump more power is legit though. We are hitting limits with cpu architecture though. Transistors used to be 200-300 atoms wide still, silicon’s atomic size is about 0.2 nanometers making today’s transistors about 70 silicon atoms wide. We stopped scaling the channel length down below 20 nm because below that at current tehcnology you run into quantum mechanical effects like electron tunneling too much. Newer generations, like 5 nm, is more a mnemonic than anything, this does not mean transistor density itself is not going up, it very much is, but newer technologies rely on things like taller fins in transistors, supply voltage scaling etc. Right now scaled devices are so small, the dopants have statistical behavior, and the devices stop being so consistent, this is an obvious problem. So we need advancements still and the need to come fromsomehwere. But remember: the hardware will not function without software. Software that just eats cycles and mallocs like it is free. My brother is DevOps and he just "If it works and is reliable, all good, screw optimisation." Just look at older but technically better (compilation wise and resource wise) languages like C/C++ but we also have newer like D/Julia and for better malloc Rust. Instead peope love to code in Python/PHP/Ruby and while they have their place, humongous frameworks that eat and eat (looking at you Electron) and interpreted that rely on GC (Java pls, C#, F#) are just too inefficient. No more JIT, no more GC, all compiled, all memory safe. This is half the battle. Also for other hardware, unlimited drawcalls and RDMA/iWarp/RoCe on every NIC or userspace stack (works great for me on BSD). We really need that 0 copy, it is okay still on 2.5Gbit, starts dragging on 5 and forget it on 10. This is unacceptable.
Programmers have been so horrendously mismanaged for decades, they can't possibly do their jobs properly except in less hierarchical organizations working on projects that they love. Managers always act like taking the time to do things properly is a waste of time, and that problems can always be fixed later with a patch, but that's a vicious cycle that gets worse over time. This has been accepted as necessary. I blame the managers and even more, the idiot executives above them.
@@matrixist LOL. I remember a BYTE magazine cover (and wish I still had it) that had a road going off into the distance with speed limit signs - 4MHz, 8MHz, 16MHz, 32MHz?
I'm not an expert, sorry if my question is stupid. But if they can't reduce the transistors size anymore to put more of them in a given space ( CPU surface ), why don't they increase the CPU surface in all 3 dimensions to put more transistors in a new given space ?
the problem with a 1440p monitor is most youtube videos are 1080p and they look so bad and blurry all the time 😭 tho when you get to see something in 1440p its so gorgeous : o
I have a 27 inch 1440p monitor and 1080p videos still look fine. I've also noticed that the amount of videos that have 1440p available is increasing pretty quickly so it's not that big of a deal.
Just built my step sons gaming computer based off of a lot of your input...first of all it's performing awesome, second here is what it is: The build is in an NZXT H6 flow, gigabyte b650e aorus elite x ax ice with the 7800X3D cooled with the Artic III 360 AIO, Samsung 990 Pro 2T and the Power Color 7900XTX Hellhound Spectral and 64G Corsair Titanium 6000 and the power supply is the Corsair RM1200e.
I'm more than happy with my 13600k (it's insane) so I'm not too upset about this. I initially wanted AM4 but DDR5 anything was way too overpriced at the time. I was also skeptical of whether DDR5 upgradability would really be possible as RAM speeds rise to who knows what.
GPU is where I am having issues. I want the GPU for gaming, like Cyber Punk, Alan Wake 2, COD, PUBG, Avatar Total War, BattleField,, Anno1800, victoria 3, city skylines 2... etc, but also need the GPU for 3D model making with blender or FUsion to work on 3D printing but also some 3D animation for fun. So do I go 4070 TI SUper or a AMD
RX6500XT works fine on PCIE 3.0 x4 in 1080p, as long as you use settings that give you 60+ fps. 2% loss with a 3600 and 3% loss on a 5600 comparred to PCIE 4.0x4. I've recently benchmarked it along with the 6400 and the A380. The A380 did suffer more with a 7-10% loss in perfomance on PCIE 3.0 x8. I ran Forza 5, Final Fantasy endwalker, SuperPosition (1080p medium), Heaven 4.0 (1080p Ultra, 8xAA), CS2 (1080p low) & Fortnite (1080p medium, no nanites). 6500XT + 5600 really shines in CS2 (240+FPS average), while Fortnite suffered 20% fps-loss with a SATA SSD comparred a to PCIE 3.0x2.
By all my reseech im doing for my friend build and my build. This is kinda whats makes moust sence for this time to get. Later on in future u might whna upgrade motherboard if its not supporting new series gpus if u whna upgrade but its like 1year in future atleast kinda. So if u whna game now get this deal its sweatspot
The concept of "future proofing" was invented by PC parts makers and influencers to get people to overbuy. It's related to the concept of the "upgrade path." Build the PC you need today. Later, when that PC can no longer deliver what you need, build a new one. Sell or give away the old one as a working unit, part it out, or relegate it to a secondary use. I recommend keeping it, so when your new build has issues you can still get things done while you sort it out.
Yup influencers like this guy always come out with a new video" This the greatest CPU! This the greatest GPU! " This guy reminds me of a carnival huckster. A true decendent of "PT Barnum", a sucker born every minute. Like the John Lennon song, imagine a world without PC gaming influncers, how nice the world would actual be.
@@AD34534 AM4 is a good example of a platform that allowed PC builders to build now and upgrade later, but I suspect most people who built an AM4 machine never dropped in a newer CPU at some later date. I don't know if anyone has data to confirm or refute this. I ran my R7 1700 system until Zen2 was released, and then I built an entirely new R9 3900X system and kept my 1700 system intact for secondary use. I still have that 3900X system and my main PC is now a 13700K. Future proofing and upgrade path are moot for me.
I would wait if I was you. 6800 XT is only 15-20% slower than the 7900 XT. I have it and its great got it for $757 including taxes. But for you in my opinion is not worth the hassle. What games do you play?
lol, its funny how they push the old "New Best" so that 250 i was getting with the 7950x3d now im getting 275 OMG its such a Big Difference my lows when from 235 to 245 Man what I difference hahah Future proofing is a myth. and the Vast majority cant tell 250fps from 225fps with the naked eye...Still running that old 5800X3d and a Msi Suprim X 4080super, Ill upgrade when this PC cant do 200fps in Cyber Punk Max settings R/T Off at 1440p when it starts doing only 60fps in Optimized games ill upgrade lol. I typical limit the frames to 165hz refresh Rate.. MY card was $1200 worth every penny My old RTX3080ti Rog stix of 2020 Covid/Crypto edition was $1899 haha
The 5090 is a hard sell to 4090 owners in 2024. This year, there is no "melt your PC" game (no pun). Usually, they have a game or two that helps give a reason for buying the top-end card, but apart from Stalker 2, I don't see a game that's going to make 4090s see a big difference. I normally get the new cards, but even I am searching for games to justify the swap this year vs next year.
I still don't see a reason to upgrade from my 6900XT. I got it at a decent price and even when I play on my 4k Samsung Q80@120Hz it performs well. My 2k LG monitor supports HDR and is 165Hz and it isn't a problem. I'm not worried about 240Hz since I'm not a competitive gamer.
Wait. Always wait. You have no idea what you will be getting in say 10 years for your money. As he is saying. Nothing is known. No date, no prices, no performance. And there is always something new around the corner. If you think nvidia won't exploit having the only high end next gen gpu cards, you are dellusional. 50x0 $ will make 4080/4090 MSRP look like a low budget bargain....
4K 32" monitors are the sweet spot. high PPI, lots of screen. Couldn't care less about Ray Tracing. Minor gains visually for a massive fps hit. I am waiting for the 5080/6080 or the like because my 3080Ti still has really good FPS as long as I don't use ray tracing.
I'll have to see what percentage of them catch on fire, before buying. In the meantime I'll be trying to plug in every single of the 16 power pins on my 4070 Ti Super 100% completely so it also doesn't catch on fire.
"future proofed" is a myth :D a friend pay at 2019 6k€ on a pc and 2024 he build a new ... i build all 3-4years a new for 800-1000€ was his build worth? no it was a big waste! he want the best from the best and payed too much for a limited edition gpu pay 2000€ for a gpu that is 3 years later lower then a gpu for 330€ is hard he was thinking raytracing is more worth then 1440p/4k gaming and i think what i want at 1080p with rt? i can play 1440p/4k :D
yeha they don't price cut the old cpus for awhile because they don't want price cut cpu's of last gen to wind up competing with the new gen , so what tehy do is price teh new gen higher and then cut both line's cost at teh same time. Remember the 7800x3d MSRPed at $450 bucks at that same tiem the 5800x3d was going for $350 adn continued to do so untill both teh 7800x3d and the 5800x3d finnally saw price cuts at the same time , now they can be had for $330 (5800x3d) and $370 (7800x3d). i suspect the 9800x3d will MSRP at $450 jsut like the 7800x3d used to
Thank you for the video. I took your advice and stayed with the 5800x3d that I have and am waiting for the new ryzen cpu before going to the AM5 platform and just keeping it paired with the 4080super so thank you. My next question is what are your thought of using the LG OLED 42inch TV as a monitor vs buying a PC old monitor. I do not do completive gaming. I do a lot of msfs and red dead ect. And will the 4080super run 2 monitors fine. One being the LG old and other and 1440p 32 inch monitor. Thank you Jason.
A component that I believe actually can be future-proofed is your PSU. It can remain in your system for a decade. Getting just enough PSU for now can cost you much more, in the long term, than oversizing it right off the bat, and the initial difference can only be $20-30. That’s much better than spending money on an entirely new PSU to support your shiny, new, beefy GPU that you snag down the road. But this mostly applies to people that know they are going to continue upgrading their GPU to a higher tier that will require more electron juice.
I know they say don't future proof cpu and gpu. How about amd motherboards. Is it OK to future proof am5 with an x670, so you have no issue with new cpus.
The differences between X670 and B650 are minimal outside of some additional PCIE lanes (which means more M.2 connections or more USB connections). If you find a good deal on an X670 board and you like the features vs similarly priced B650, then go for it. But I'd just pretend that X670 = B650 and make sure you get the features you want on the board (but I still don't recommend A620 due to lack of precision boost overdrive).
There are some differences. If you wanna use PCI-E 4.0 x16 and 1 NVMe Slot on 4.0, you will need go buy the toptier of the brands X670. I mostly go for the higher end Mobo because of the 10 Gbits Ethernet, so I dont need to add a PCI Network Interface and my Rig stays Futureproof. Also only high end has SPDIF Audio Port. If you add a PCI Device or a second NVMe, on X670 PCIE 4.0 drops to x8.
5090 will just be what the 4090ti should of been, It will be underwhelming just like the 2000 series. I kept my 1080ti, and waited for the 3080ti, and now ill wait till the 6000 series. Pattern recognition.
You have to replace the vram chips with higher density ones, which requires a heating station and hot air blower gun and potentially to reball the VRAM pads.
I honestly half expect AMD at this point to do some crazy BS like announce right before they release their next generation of GPUs to be like psych we’re actually competing in the high end and we just didn’t want nvidia to know about it. Either way it’s all stupid and all companies are douche bags about all this
Me still chilling with my 9700k and 1080 ti. It starting to show some age now. Probably gonna be upgrading after i finish getting parts for my wife budgetish build
I really hope asus releases a new Asus Maximus Gene board i missed out on the x670e since asus made 10 then discontinued it only Matx worth a damn but maybe well get Lucky ill buy 2 this round since they only make a handful available to sell rest get sent for review then never get sent back 🤦♂️
A lot of us waiting for this next gen to drop to get onto ddr5 systems. I dont like getting on a launch motherboard knowing how many generations itl cover. Even my gpu is a 6800 so im looking for a full new build over the next 18 months.
Gonna have to say actually the 4070ti/ ti super is the best 1440p gpu. He asked the best for 1440p, i dont think he asked the best price to performance
Really need more vram on cards aand for amd to quit being so far behind on AI. 4090 is still the only real viable options for home AI research/modeling 😢
Pcie 5 x4 slot has the same bandwith a full x16 pcie3 slot. rarely do even current video cards exceed pcie3 at x8. Going to be a while before gpu's actually need pcie5 x8, let alone x16.
Hi Jason, nice video! What do you think about my building plan?(RTX 4070 Super+ Ryen 5 7500f)(1100-1200$whole budget). And my friends plan RTX 4070 Ti Super+Ryzen 7 700)(1500-1600$ whole budget). Both will buy 1tb SSD Patriot+ 16gb RAM+ MSI B650 Gaming plus WiFi+ deepcool ak620+ (750w-my)/(850w-fr) energy supply We can't make bigger budget, but can change parts
Where's all the money going? Definitely get 32GB RAM, if you don't have enough in the budget just get a cheaper cooler. Massive overkill getting that one when both CPUs are only rated for 65W.
@@БілоусовДанііл-в9о No problem! You're both getting a basic AMD CPU though so even a mid-range cooler will be overkill. The one you wanted to buy is for intel CPUs that pull over 250W.
we are in 2024 why the hell would want to play in 2k when even your own tv is 4k why waste your vision on 2k is beyond me, if I want to be in front of a monitor it better be 4k or above.
I finally got all my parts for my first self build gaming PC and Main Hardware ist a 7800X3D, 32 GB DDR5 6000 CL 30, RTX 4070 ti super and lian Li EVO dynamic RGB Case and lian li Uni Fan and a AIO and i think for QHD is good to Go for the next 3 years+ and so i can Safe Money for the next Gen stuff 😅
@@anitaremenarova6662 Even at 1440, with ever increasing high framerate monitors, newer game engines, new games, etc. it's highly unlikely the kind of person that buys hardware at that level of performance will last anywhere close to 10 years. My PC with similar specs, gaming at 1440/360Hz with a 4080 will likely not make it more than 4 years before I'll be itching for what the new offerings will be able to achieve.
I remember when getting 30-60fps at max settings AA/AF with a GeForce 2 or GeForce 3 back in 2001-2002 was a big deal for $299-$399. Today, people complain about 100fps+ at 4K with a $1000+ GPU. Hilarious.
People are complaining when they're dropping below 60 on a 1k or 2k costing GPU. Nvidia is undercutting its architecture on purpose and that's what people are upset about.
I will disagree with the "future proofing never works." There are time periods that it makes a lot of sense to pick a product over another. Like picking am5 over lga1700 thats a form of future proofing, picking a good 850w psu over a very budget 650w psu. If you pick the am5 platform now, you can update to the best cpu that was offered in am5 once they go to am6 for a good discount. Nice and simple drop-in upgrade with a bios update. Also, the 850w psu will have no issue powering a 80/800 class gpu that its last gen at the time of the upgrade. Yeah, you might spend a tiny bit more now, but you won't have to buy a new mobo,ram, and psu again.
I actually think we are saying the same thing, building with a good upgrade path like you are describing is great! Spending on parts that give you no boost and cost you the best bang for your buck now ie future proofing is what I advise against
i must admit, i'm saving money to buy the 5080 in the future. so changing to 4k is that awesome, uh? i was thinking in staying at 1440p but full pathtracing... now i'm not sure what to do, haha. i became addicted to raytracing thanks to cyberpunk 2077. i can't go back.
Wrong, in 4K you'd have to sacrifice PT even on a 5080 which isn't worth it imo. 4K is worth going to only if you like playing games on a TV, nobody will change my mind on it being pointless as a monitor resolution.
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Everytime I turn on Ray tracing it’s like I walked into awhile new game lol. Elder Ring when I played I’m like this looks like a ps3 game. I turned on Ray tracing and it jump to ps5 lol
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Well, Jason, it is like this. I planned on going to the new Microcenter in Charlotte, NC.Opened my Gmail to find out they canceled the opening for no reason,no info on the new opening date.🙄
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the disagreement I have if you can even call it that is the jump from 1440p to 4k. Is it really worth the effort and the huge expense?
Or will the visuals look 'the same'? Getting older my eyes are fuzzy view anyway so 1440p sees to be the no need to improve the size to see the text.
and I forgot what I was talking about dammit
got a 4090 strix and an AMD 5900x . Missed this CPU gen as I didnt think the jump was enough at 4k. Hoping next gen is gonna make it worth while as the cash is burning a hole in my pocket
@@tommyrotton9468 I'll throw in on this, since it's something I went through some years ago. The jump from 1080p to 1440p (1600p in my case) is huge. The jump from 1440p to 4k is significant, but not nearly as striking. The ringer: going to ultrawide is another huge jump in visuals, especially if you go 21:10 with something like a 3840x1600 panel. The question you have to answer for yourself is whether you want more vertical or more horizontal screen real estate. Anything first person or third person will benefit from the latter. Anything isometric or top down will benefit more from the former.
I really wanna see what the 9800X3D will be capable of
Me too!
We need to let Nvdia release RX5090 first.
@@jayvee8502 thats what Im looking forward to. Get a 5090 then the new x3d when that comes out to back it up. Should be good for at least a year at 4k 😂
Intel is dead
We know one thing the 9800X3D will be able to do; it will be able to suck money out of gamers' wallets.
Never future proof, but you can buy with a mind towards the future in getting a MB with Gen 5 lanes everywhere, yes it overkill now, but as the build ages those faster lanes will eventually be usable for nice improvements. Also, I'm buying parts as i can afford them so i can avoid putting them on CC. Just waiting now for a MB i really want, if i bought it now i'd get the asrock Taichi Lite, but I kind of want to see the newer AMD chipset that will come later this year.
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well future proofing is not always bad:) . I got 7800x3d instead of 7600 and got it 4070ti super - plan to upgrade to 5080 in january. And I am sure that my CPU is quite good to not bottleneck next gpu upgrade :)
You're not future-proofing anything by swapping out the GPU less than a year after buying it.
@@anitaremenarova6662 It is future proofing. If gpu upgrade is in 8-or 10 months -its future. And I know that current CPU will not be bottlenecking mine next GPU upgrade - so its future proof. It is not your concern how much often I upgrade mine GPU if I got good deals :)
Future proofing means buying a component that doesn’t give you any performance boost now in hopes that it will in the future. What you've done here is just build a good pc (;
Just got the 7800X3D for 216USD
What how that to low 😮
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I wonder why Ryzen has skipped 6000 and 8000 CPU's.
They didn't though, 6000 series are mobile CPUs (hence why it didn't get that much attention); and 8000 series has been discussed before, those focus on performance with integrated graphics
Apparently ever since 4000 series, which were mobile CPUs too, they decided to leave the even numbers for mobile, to "make things less confusing". I doubt it was a good idea lol
They didn't its just all very confusing
What do you have in the pc behind you? Looks very nice!
Its a 7600 7900XT! We have it in a sample build list in our Best Builds March video on the channel page
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if the 5070 doesn't have 16GB Vram (minimum) then i won't be upgrading from the GTX 1070.
For the competitive gamers out there wondering.. 1440p 240hz or more, is better than 4k at 144hz.. But unless you aspire to be a pro or actually am a pro i would pick 4k, cause you can see better in the distance, but in a game like cs2 you don't need that really and you want the high hz instead... So if you are a pro or want to be, then you want the 1440p 240hz or more, cause it's just "faster"... Not to mention if you want 4k 240hz then you need a gpu that can do that, and that cost more :D If the choice was between 1080p 240hz and 1440p 144hz, i would go with the 1080p 240 hz, or wait and save up for the 1440p 240hz. it all depends how serious you are as a competitive gamer. *Note* higher refresh rate does NOT make you a better player, fyi...lol
There's no reason to chase 4K at this point. Regardless of what you are 1440p is the sweetspot and you won't need an insanely expensive GPU to run it. I prefer ultrawide since my CS:GO days are behind me and the immersion is much better than on a 4K monitor while being much easier to run.
@@anitaremenarova6662 but here is a reason to "chase" 4k, same reason there is to "chase" 1440, otherwise just save even more money on gpu and play 1080, but i wasn't talking bout the money spendt on hardware tho. 4k looks objectively better than 1440 and not everyone is looking for ultrawide or immersion. And there is still pro cs2 players playing at 1080 so i can't agree on saying regardless of what you are 1440 is the sweetspot, cause it's not, it depends on the games you play, monitor size and wallet size tbh.
@@NulJern There isn't, it's not sustainable with current hardware and 1080p has no real HDR options. 1440p has OLED and mini-LED screens out there so it's the best resolution that'll last the longest without having to upgrade. 4K only matters for TVs, you won't notice a difference in pixel density at monitor viewing distance on such a small screen. So yes, 1440p or ultrawide is the sweetspot currently, best sustainable premium display for gaming. Reason FPS players go for 1080p screens is because they're more affordable, not because they're better.
@@anitaremenarova6662 haha what? Not sustainable? But it totally is.. Competitive players don't care about Hdr options, upgradability or longevity and they don't play at 1080 because of the price either lol, some fps players may choose 1080 because of the price but no actual pro competitive players do. And what monitor size are we talking since you say "such a small screen", i can tell you at 4k it matters above 27" monitors when you sit close, and today i know plenty who games on 32" and above on pc and not a tv lol.
Hey Jason, have you heard about analog computing and do you think it will make digital computers (the ones we use at home) obsolete?
I have. Wired magazine did a good article (TBH, I just skimmed it). If they can make it work that would be great, but I also think some of the underlying assumptions about digital computing power usage are changing rapidly. There are also some issues with analog computing due to physical issues (for instance, they store a value as a voltage instead of a binary bit, but what about electrical interference there?).
Rtx 3060 -> 12gb
Rtx 4060 -> 8gb
Rtx 5060 -> 4gb????
8 or 12 50 .50 let's see if the make something like 1000 or the do the same stuff from 2000 up to 4000 and people are 🐑 to go for them and price go up and up and up to a point that a a 90 card is like a uste care 2200 euro 😂 I remember when top end were only 700 up to 1000
To this day the biggest change I have ever experienced in gaming was going from 60Hz to 144Hz and switching from a TN panel to an IPS. No resolution, ray tracing or other technology could impact those 2 jumps though. Edit: HDR on 4k seem to be another BIG JUMP going from IPS 1440p.
HDR and path tracing is just as meaningful. Going from 1440p to 4K is overhyped as hell, it's a meaningful jump on TVs but not on around 30" monitors where you can't even tell the pixel density apart.
What about the jump from 144/165hz to 240hz? IDK if the difference between 1440p 144hz and 240hz is worth it
@@micco35 Diminishing returns, get a OLED/mini-LED with 165-180hz. That's the current sweetspot.
@@micco35 if you are a hardcore counter strike player you will feel the difference between 144, 240 and 360Hz. Its a really a pure competitive shooter thing. For all the rest totally irrelevant. Idk about Dota, LoL, ...
Just try oled 240hz.
I’m starting to pull out $50-$100 out of my paychecks saving up for a 5090 or 6090 lol
I hear that lol. Im guessing $2499 msrp for the 5090. Which means probably $3k plus after scalpers
@@bradyfranks6739maybe the price will drop in the next year
I have no reason to upgrade my PC untill we get some great games
Been playing birds arent real and holocure lol
Shadow of the erd tree
GTA 6?
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Nvidia should figure out their criminally bad power connecters before hoisting a new generation of video cards on the market.
i believe the 5000 series can go one or two ways ... 1. nvidia further pushes down the power draw on what is achievable at lower power levels. ie each card in the series will draw less power tha it's predecessor while offering more performance (except the the 5060 , i'm beting it'll hardly be different from the 4060). in which case no 12vhpwr cables will melt since the gneration si drawing well below the cable's actual spec , thus making nivida look "right" for backing the standard.
or the more likely thing given 4000 series already did the above compared to 300 series; 2. nvidia boost power draw across the board so performance goes up drastically across the board, and we'll see 12vhwpr connectors melting on 5070's and 5080's too this time around.
If buying top of the line components, buying them at launch will give you most value, I observed.
Truth. Underrated comment.
The only part I think is worth thinking about is your PSU. When it comes to future ask your self this question can my PSU power an upgrade to both my CPU and GPUs, We all know both parts have become power hungry, and I have in past use a good PSU in more than one PC Build.
Also, ask yourself, "What am I going to do with a complete computer that's missing a PSU?". Any value you might hold onto is lost in the old computer
@@johnnymeansiiFor me, most of the time I do slow-rolling hardware updates, so case psu and the fans are left alone, for example, I would upgrade my mother board and CPU, and then a few years later I would get a new GPU. I try to get around 4-5 years out of major components or 2-3 generations of hardware.
jeez i just spent 2k on a i7 14700f and rtx 4070ti super build , cant keep up .. pc gaming is such an expensive hobby
That's a fantastic combo, like I say in the video there is always something new coming so I wouldn't let it bother you.
@@PCBuilderChannel thanks for that.. I'm not intending to upgrade for at least a couple years now..
Its really good build bro be happy and enjoy :)
@@saldussapnai3464 thank you , I will
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Dude you are good for a long time, we run literally every flagship 7800x3d/14900k --- 4090/7900... in this house down to --- 3x i5 13600kfs and 6750xt/1660 supers, even the 1660 supers play everything lol..HECK the i7 4770k I have here still does great, so does the 8700... so long as the game has adjustable settings. Heck you can still have a blast on one 1060, I still had one here until I ripped a cap off and couldn't find my solder tweezers and tried to reattach it with a regular iron lol. I stole the cage fan and casing off it for a pi cooler and now it is silicon art lol... I still have a functioning 760 I can probably have a decent time on with some optimizations in the game settings, except I robbed the 3x wind force fans for a home brew router with blow threw cooling lol. I could honestly probably just throw some cheap case fans on it with some duct tape and make a few games run lol.
Main point is, if you only plan to game, YOU ARE SET for quite a while.
If you want to game at max settings for no reason other than yolo. It's pretty stilly lol.
I turn my 4090 down for most games but still find limitiations where its like, why am I running that setting that high except to say I can lol EG. Hell divers with super sampling, it's like, is 4k native not enough lol?
Dude you are awesome and I'm learning a lot from your videos and saving up for building my own PC.
Thanks for the awesome feedback! It means a lot (:
I got my 3090 in September of '22, the 4090 launched the 12th of October. That launch didn't diminish the performance of my card or make it worse, it's still an amazing GPU. Build when you want because there is always something better in the works and you can always upgrade later
ha i ordered a 4080 super last week ... (asus TUF non OC variant ) got it for MSRP too. but got to wait another three weeks now before it gets here . even if 5000 comes before thenn, it'll be a "paper" launch with very few models available , add that to people's rush to buy them , it a whole nother year will pass before a 5080 is actually able to be had by common MSRP paying folks. So think i'm fine jsut sticking with my 4080S when it gets here.
keep telling yourself that darling
@@Zombie101 $900 for a 3090 was much better than fighting for the opportunity to buy $1600+ 4090
Last time I bought the best it was an Nvidia 7950×2. That long ago.
It loses value like nothing else. Id never recommend it.
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My 4090 is overkill for all gaming but Microsft Flight simulator 2020 and X-Plane 12. Won't change now.
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There is no chance of a 5070 being released before Q1 2025... 5090 and maybe the 5080 for the holiday season and both are fairly price agnostic... if they sell the 5090 for 4,000usd people will still buy it.
Yes if history is anything to go by Nvidia will take its sweet sweet time releasing any new midrange cards!
I have a funny feeling Nvidia will do something wacky and different. The combinations again , the low to mid cards wont sell well because of lack of vram. Hardware unboxed just said Nvidia is doing a 5060 w 8gb while ppl are jumpong on the 12gb train - the 3060
@@adamtajhassam9188 they want to dissuade as many customers from the low end, low margin cards as possible... seeing how popular the 3060 12gb was even in the worse gpu market in history definitely showed that they can sell 12/16gh cards for 500 bucks or more with little push back. If the 5060 has x8 pcie lanes, triple digit bus width and double digit vram I'll be shocked.
Feel like if they can get 5080 under 1500$ it will be a steal
Idk for me the people that spend 2200 euro one 4090 now are crazy if you produce or edit or earn money one it go go for it but seriously only game 😅 that lots of money that let's say y can donet to a 3 world country and fad 100 of people for months it sad how the world is going oh well 🐒
I have a 7600x and a 7800xt. I am fine waiting. My last build was a i5 8600k with a 1070Ti and only just upgraded a few months ago. That said if I start upgrading more often then I can actually sell my old parts and get a decent return on them as other then trying to sell my whole old system on facebook market I dont know what to do with it. xD
Rx 7700 xt + i5-12600kf sounds like a decent budget 1440p pc
Rx 7800xt is better with Ryzen 5900x 1440P Best Build Affordable And 80+ FPS On Cyberpunk And More Heavy GPU Games
Yes that's a good combo
@@PatrickBateman12871 of course the 7800xt is better it is also more expensive so I would hope its better. Also the 5700X3D is $50 cheaper than the 5900x and has more L3 cache so I would guess it would get you more frames. 7700xt + the 5700X3D is what I would go with.
I love my 5900x + 7900GRE
This gen i picked up a 7900 xtx at $925, and a second at $875. Found a 4080 super at msrp and grabbed it. Sold one of my 7900xtx s.
I am anticipating a paper launch of the 5000 series too tier cards in September with an msrp price increase and scalpers selling rhe cards at 2x the price, followed by a price increase in 4000 cards. So msrp on a 4080 super is probably as good as i will get until the following rdna/6000 series cards
I can recommend the Nvidia rtx 3060 12 gig. Just recently built a budget amd ryzen 5600 based system. Cyberpunk 2077 runs super smooth with this combo.
Yeah the 3060 is good if you want Nivdia Features or VR. Otherwise the 6700XT or 6750XT is a better value. However given that the stock is drying out, then I would just get the 7700XT for a little bit more.
@@AnonymousUser-ww6ns what are your thoughts on these builds?
Which is better for the price (I'm form Europe)
First build 650€
Intel Core i5-12400F 6 Core, 12 Thread @4.4GHz
G.Skill 16GB 3200MHz XMP 2.0 CL16 Dual-Channel DDR4 RAM
Tower RGB Cooler 160W TDP
AMD Radeon RX 6700 XT 12GB GDDR6
Adata 500GB SSD
Cooler Master GX 650W 80+ Bronze
Windows 11 Pro Operacinė Sistema
Second build 760€
Cpu:
AMD Ryzen 5 5600x (6/12) 4.6 Ghz
Cpu cooler : SU DĖŽUTE
CoolerMaster H410R RGB
Mobo: SU DĖŽUTE
Gigabyte AORUS B450M
Ram:
Patriot Viper 24gb 3000Mhz DDR4
GPU: with warranty
AMD Radeon RX 6700 XT 12gb Sapphire
SSD: SU GARANTIJA
Samsung 970 EVO Plus 500gb NVme Ssd
Case: SU DĖŽE
MSI Mag Forge M100A
Psu: SU DĖŽUTE
MSI Mag 650w 80+ Bronze
Fans:
Msi 4 vnt. RGB, 2 vnt. DeepCool
Operating system :
Windows 11 Pro
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I just want the '800' series mobo for ryzen 9000 to have bada** design. Some of the budget b650 and x670 mobo looked as if they were pulled from 2016. The 800 will probably be pcie 5.0 ready for every model.
Yes!
The question about needing to dump more power is legit though.
We are hitting limits with cpu architecture though. Transistors used to be 200-300 atoms wide still, silicon’s atomic size is about 0.2 nanometers making today’s transistors about 70 silicon atoms wide. We stopped scaling the channel length down below 20 nm because below that at current tehcnology you run into quantum mechanical effects like electron tunneling too much. Newer generations, like 5 nm, is more a mnemonic than anything, this does not mean transistor density itself is not going up, it very much is, but newer technologies rely on things like taller fins in transistors, supply voltage scaling etc. Right now scaled devices are so small, the dopants have statistical behavior, and the devices stop being so consistent, this is an obvious problem.
So we need advancements still and the need to come fromsomehwere. But remember: the hardware will not function without software. Software that just eats cycles and mallocs like it is free. My brother is DevOps and he just "If it works and is reliable, all good, screw optimisation." Just look at older but technically better (compilation wise and resource wise) languages like C/C++ but we also have newer like D/Julia and for better malloc Rust. Instead peope love to code in Python/PHP/Ruby and while they have their place, humongous frameworks that eat and eat (looking at you Electron) and interpreted that rely on GC (Java pls, C#, F#) are just too inefficient. No more JIT, no more GC, all compiled, all memory safe. This is half the battle.
Also for other hardware, unlimited drawcalls and RDMA/iWarp/RoCe on every NIC or userspace stack (works great for me on BSD). We really need that 0 copy, it is okay still on 2.5Gbit, starts dragging on 5 and forget it on 10. This is unacceptable.
I remember when the "experts" Said that the limits of a CPU's was 60Mhz.
Programmers have been so horrendously mismanaged for decades, they can't possibly do their jobs properly except in less hierarchical organizations working on projects that they love.
Managers always act like taking the time to do things properly is a waste of time, and that problems can always be fixed later with a patch, but that's a vicious cycle that gets worse over time.
This has been accepted as necessary.
I blame the managers and even more, the idiot executives above them.
@@matrixist Yeah but the uncertainty principle of electron super location makes things difficult haha.
@@matrixist LOL. I remember a BYTE magazine cover (and wish I still had it) that had a road going off into the distance with speed limit signs - 4MHz, 8MHz, 16MHz, 32MHz?
I'm not an expert, sorry if my question is stupid.
But if they can't reduce the transistors size anymore to put more of them in a given space ( CPU surface ), why don't they increase the CPU surface in all 3 dimensions to put more transistors in a new given space ?
the problem with a 1440p monitor is most youtube videos are 1080p and they look so bad and blurry all the time 😭
tho when you get to see something in 1440p its so gorgeous : o
What size is your monitor? If you get a 24" then 1080p should still be manageable.
I have a 27 inch 1440p monitor and 1080p videos still look fine. I've also noticed that the amount of videos that have 1440p available is increasing pretty quickly so it's not that big of a deal.
Just built my step sons gaming computer based off of a lot of your input...first of all it's performing awesome, second here is what it is: The build is in an NZXT H6 flow, gigabyte b650e aorus elite x ax ice with the 7800X3D cooled with the Artic III 360 AIO, Samsung 990 Pro 2T and the Power Color 7900XTX Hellhound Spectral and 64G Corsair Titanium 6000 and the power supply is the Corsair RM1200e.
Congrats on the build!! So glad we could help! Thanks for letting us know it means a lot
I'm more than happy with my 13600k (it's insane) so I'm not too upset about this. I initially wanted AM4 but DDR5 anything was way too overpriced at the time. I was also skeptical of whether DDR5 upgradability would really be possible as RAM speeds rise to who knows what.
It's all the same, drum up hype for marginal increases in performance. Nobody has to care about new CPUs until gen 60 and 9000 GPUs are here.
GPU is where I am having issues. I want the GPU for gaming, like Cyber Punk, Alan Wake 2, COD, PUBG, Avatar Total War, BattleField,, Anno1800, victoria 3, city skylines 2... etc, but also need the GPU for 3D model making with blender or FUsion to work on 3D printing but also some 3D animation for fun. So do I go 4070 TI SUper or a AMD
For this I'd probably go 4070 ti super, but check out our Q&A part 1 for more on new GPUs coming soon
@@PCBuilderChannel cheers for the reply. And for the videos much help in picking my system
when do you think arm will take over or amd/ intel make arm chips.
Thanks Jason! Good point on increasing resolution vs. enabling ray tracing. The difference from 2k -> 4k is staggering!
RX6500XT works fine on PCIE 3.0 x4 in 1080p, as long as you use settings that give you 60+ fps. 2% loss with a 3600 and 3% loss on a 5600 comparred to PCIE 4.0x4.
I've recently benchmarked it along with the 6400 and the A380. The A380 did suffer more with a 7-10% loss in perfomance on PCIE 3.0 x8.
I ran Forza 5, Final Fantasy endwalker, SuperPosition (1080p medium), Heaven 4.0 (1080p Ultra, 8xAA), CS2 (1080p low) & Fortnite (1080p medium, no nanites).
6500XT + 5600 really shines in CS2 (240+FPS average), while Fortnite suffered 20% fps-loss with a SATA SSD comparred a to PCIE 3.0x2.
Forza 5 (1080p low), FiFa (1080p everything maxed out)
I saw a good offer for a 7600x with 7800xt, the price is 1300€ ,but it has an a620 motherboard, what are your thoughts on this motherboard?
By all my reseech im doing for my friend build and my build. This is kinda whats makes moust sence for this time to get. Later on in future u might whna upgrade motherboard if its not supporting new series gpus if u whna upgrade but its like 1year in future atleast kinda. So if u whna game now get this deal its sweatspot
Don't buy
get cheaper range b650. higher quality components on those.maybe Go down to 7500f to compensate if you on tight budget
I wouldn't get that motherboard no. See our Best Ryzen Motherboard 2024 video for more
The concept of "future proofing" was invented by PC parts makers and influencers to get people to overbuy. It's related to the concept of the "upgrade path." Build the PC you need today. Later, when that PC can no longer deliver what you need, build a new one. Sell or give away the old one as a working unit, part it out, or relegate it to a secondary use. I recommend keeping it, so when your new build has issues you can still get things done while you sort it out.
It makes sense now though, buying a PT capable GPU so that you can still use it when there's hundreds of titles that have it is smart.
Yup influencers like this guy always come out with a new video" This the greatest CPU! This the greatest GPU! " This guy reminds me of a carnival huckster. A true decendent of "PT Barnum", a sucker born every minute. Like the John Lennon song, imagine a world without PC gaming influncers, how nice the world would actual be.
Either AM4 is the exception to this rule or you're wrong. I'm honestly split on the topic of future proofing.
@@AD34534 AM4 is still fine, it's not like with GPUs where the performance increases are huge each new gen.
@@AD34534 AM4 is a good example of a platform that allowed PC builders to build now and upgrade later, but I suspect most people who built an AM4 machine never dropped in a newer CPU at some later date. I don't know if anyone has data to confirm or refute this. I ran my R7 1700 system until Zen2 was released, and then I built an entirely new R9 3900X system and kept my 1700 system intact for secondary use. I still have that 3900X system and my main PC is now a 13700K. Future proofing and upgrade path are moot for me.
Hey Jason! I have a RX 6800 XT in PC, should I buy a RX 7900 XT to pay 4k gaming or wait for AMD Radeon GPU?😊
I would wait if I was you. 6800 XT is only 15-20% slower than the 7900 XT. I have it and its great got it for $757 including taxes. But for you in my opinion is not worth the hassle. What games do you play?
That's not enough of a jump to be worth it I would think.
lol, its funny how they push the old "New Best" so that 250 i was getting with the 7950x3d now im getting 275 OMG its such a Big Difference my lows when from 235 to 245 Man what I difference hahah Future proofing is a myth. and the Vast majority cant tell 250fps from 225fps with the naked eye...Still running that old 5800X3d and a Msi Suprim X 4080super, Ill upgrade when this PC cant do 200fps in Cyber Punk Max settings R/T Off at 1440p when it starts doing only 60fps in Optimized games ill upgrade lol. I typical limit the frames to 165hz refresh Rate.. MY card was $1200 worth every penny My old RTX3080ti Rog stix of 2020 Covid/Crypto edition was $1899 haha
The 5090 is a hard sell to 4090 owners in 2024. This year, there is no "melt your PC" game (no pun). Usually, they have a game or two that helps give a reason for buying the top-end card, but apart from Stalker 2, I don't see a game that's going to make 4090s see a big difference.
I normally get the new cards, but even I am searching for games to justify the swap this year vs next year.
I still don't see a reason to upgrade from my 6900XT. I got it at a decent price and even when I play on my 4k Samsung Q80@120Hz it performs well. My 2k LG monitor supports HDR and is 165Hz and it isn't a problem. I'm not worried about 240Hz since I'm not a competitive gamer.
Wait. Always wait. You have no idea what you will be getting in say 10 years for your money. As he is saying. Nothing is known. No date, no prices, no performance. And there is always something new around the corner. If you think nvidia won't exploit having the only high end next gen gpu cards, you are dellusional. 50x0 $ will make 4080/4090 MSRP look like a low budget bargain....
4K 32" monitors are the sweet spot. high PPI, lots of screen.
Couldn't care less about Ray Tracing. Minor gains visually for a massive fps hit.
I am waiting for the 5080/6080 or the like because my 3080Ti still has really good FPS as long as I don't use ray tracing.
I'll have to see what percentage of them catch on fire, before buying. In the meantime I'll be trying to plug in every single of the 16 power pins on my 4070 Ti Super 100% completely so it also doesn't catch on fire.
"future proofed" is a myth :D
a friend pay at 2019 6k€ on a pc and 2024 he build a new ... i build all 3-4years a new for 800-1000€ was his build worth? no it was a big waste!
he want the best from the best and payed too much for a limited edition gpu pay 2000€ for a gpu that is 3 years later lower then a gpu for 330€ is hard he was thinking raytracing is more worth then 1440p/4k gaming and i think what i want at 1080p with rt? i can play 1440p/4k :D
yeha they don't price cut the old cpus for awhile because they don't want price cut cpu's of last gen to wind up competing with the new gen , so what tehy do is price teh new gen higher and then cut both line's cost at teh same time. Remember the 7800x3d MSRPed at $450 bucks at that same tiem the 5800x3d was going for $350 adn continued to do so untill both teh 7800x3d and the 5800x3d finnally saw price cuts at the same time , now they can be had for $330 (5800x3d) and $370 (7800x3d). i suspect the 9800x3d will MSRP at $450 jsut like the 7800x3d used to
Thank you for the video. I took your advice and stayed with the 5800x3d that I have and am waiting for the new ryzen cpu before going to the AM5 platform and just keeping it paired with the 4080super so thank you. My next question is what are your thought of using the LG OLED 42inch TV as a monitor vs buying a PC old monitor. I do not do completive gaming. I do a lot of msfs and red dead ect. And will the 4080super run 2 monitors fine. One being the LG old and other and 1440p 32 inch monitor. Thank you Jason.
Glad we could help!
A component that I believe actually can be future-proofed is your PSU. It can remain in your system for a decade. Getting just enough PSU for now can cost you much more, in the long term, than oversizing it right off the bat, and the initial difference can only be $20-30. That’s much better than spending money on an entirely new PSU to support your shiny, new, beefy GPU that you snag down the road. But this mostly applies to people that know they are going to continue upgrading their GPU to a higher tier that will require more electron juice.
I know they say don't future proof cpu and gpu. How about amd motherboards. Is it OK to future proof am5 with an x670, so you have no issue with new cpus.
The differences between X670 and B650 are minimal outside of some additional PCIE lanes (which means more M.2 connections or more USB connections). If you find a good deal on an X670 board and you like the features vs similarly priced B650, then go for it. But I'd just pretend that X670 = B650 and make sure you get the features you want on the board (but I still don't recommend A620 due to lack of precision boost overdrive).
There are some differences. If you wanna use PCI-E 4.0 x16 and 1 NVMe Slot on 4.0, you will need go buy the toptier of the brands X670.
I mostly go for the higher end Mobo because of the 10 Gbits Ethernet, so I dont need to add a PCI Network Interface and my Rig stays Futureproof. Also only high end has SPDIF Audio Port.
If you add a PCI Device or a second NVMe, on X670 PCIE 4.0 drops to x8.
RX 6800 is the best budget 1440p card for 359. You're not going to be able to maintain 60FPS high in newer games on those lesser models you suggested.
5090 will just be what the 4090ti should of been, It will be underwhelming just like the 2000 series. I kept my 1080ti, and waited for the 3080ti, and now ill wait till the 6000 series. Pattern recognition.
1080p => 4k .... rlly? any1 remember going up from 320x240 to 800x600? that was a jump but 1080p => 4k? come on....
I heard about adding vram inside GPU physically! Is that real? 🤔
You have to replace the vram chips with higher density ones, which requires a heating station and hot air blower gun and potentially to reball the VRAM pads.
Not currenttly no
I honestly half expect AMD at this point to do some crazy BS like announce right before they release their next generation of GPUs to be like psych we’re actually competing in the high end and we just didn’t want nvidia to know about it. Either way it’s all stupid and all companies are douche bags about all this
...and i just recently managed my 2700x to go 4,3Ghz on all cores 😂 i guess its upgrade time soon 😂😅
r5 9600x will be interesting,14900ks gaming performance or over that for around 300$
Me still chilling with my 9700k and 1080 ti. It starting to show some age now. Probably gonna be upgrading after i finish getting parts for my wife budgetish build
Am I the only one that expects the 5090 to be about $2000 at launch and likely $2500+ after scalpers buy up the artificially-limited stock?
best 1440p gpu still is 6700xt, got mine really cheap second hand in Europe. The new stuff is overpriced
found a 7800xt for $479 at my Microcenter but I think I'm still gonna get the 7900GRE $549
AMD company need Money 💰, to resale old stock's with rebrand as 8000 series failed so 9000 series' more interesting just how many ghz
I really hope asus releases a new Asus Maximus Gene board i missed out on the x670e since asus made 10 then discontinued it only Matx worth a damn but maybe well get Lucky ill buy 2 this round since they only make a handful available to sell rest get sent for review then never get sent back 🤦♂️
I thought I saw something that indicated AMD AI performance was underwhelming leaving Nvidia as the only viable source.
A lot of us waiting for this next gen to drop to get onto ddr5 systems. I dont like getting on a launch motherboard knowing how many generations itl cover. Even my gpu is a 6800 so im looking for a full new build over the next 18 months.
Gonna have to say actually the 4070ti/ ti super is the best 1440p gpu. He asked the best for 1440p, i dont think he asked the best price to performance
Hey, please make a video on the latest Ryzen 5 8400f and Ryzen 7 8700f? No one has covered it yet!
People here waiting for 50 series and Ryzen 9000
While I'm here waiting for 40 series and Ryzen 7000 price to drop 😂
Really need more vram on cards aand for amd to quit being so far behind on AI. 4090 is still the only real viable options for home AI research/modeling 😢
Going to get a home lone for
Ryzen 7 9800x3D
Rtx 5090
64gb ddr5 ram
2tb gen 5 ssd
I dont know about that. My Ryzen 9 5900x seems to do just fine with an RTX 4070 super.
Just buy whatever, enjoy it. Come back in 2-4 gen upgrade/ sell your old shjt
Pcie 5 x4 slot has the same bandwith a full x16 pcie3 slot. rarely do even current video cards exceed pcie3 at x8. Going to be a while before gpu's actually need pcie5 x8, let alone x16.
Good point on RT, i feel the same way, its all about the upscale now, intel Xess 1.3 has given amd gpus a boost , because fsr is really bad.
Hi Jason, nice video!
What do you think about my building plan?(RTX 4070 Super+ Ryen 5 7500f)(1100-1200$whole budget).
And my friends plan RTX 4070 Ti Super+Ryzen 7 700)(1500-1600$ whole budget).
Both will buy 1tb SSD Patriot+
16gb RAM+ MSI B650 Gaming plus WiFi+ deepcool ak620+ (750w-my)/(850w-fr) energy supply
We can't make bigger budget, but can change parts
Where's all the money going? Definitely get 32GB RAM, if you don't have enough in the budget just get a cheaper cooler. Massive overkill getting that one when both CPUs are only rated for 65W.
@@anitaremenarova6662 most money going on GPU and CPU, but I also think about cooling cost. About RAM..... I think it can be a good idea. Thanks
@@БілоусовДанііл-в9о No problem! You're both getting a basic AMD CPU though so even a mid-range cooler will be overkill. The one you wanted to buy is for intel CPUs that pull over 250W.
@@anitaremenarova6662 do you know a good RAM with not big cost with normal speed for this amd CPU's? Or cooler?
@@БілоусовДанііл-в9о for the Cooler the Thermalright Phantom Spirit is a good option if available where you are.
x4 and x8 isn't cost cutting, it's market push to make ppl upgrade, so basically a scam.
Brand new XFX 6800 is $330(40?) in stock at Newegg right now
I'm gonna wait for intel 15th gen and nvidia 5000 because i want to make a 4k system with oled
raw rasterization > ray tracing, RT still has a ways to go, probably by the 70XX series, where it will be worth it!
we are in 2024 why the hell would want to play in 2k when even your own tv is 4k why waste your vision on 2k is beyond me, if I want to be in front of a monitor it better be 4k or above.
Jason I wanted to ask if my Pc can handle 128gb of ram in total 2x48 and 2x16gb and my power supply is 1000W, a I9-13900k and 4070ti z790 motherboard
I don't recommend that personally. No one needs that kind of RAM, not even for professional level production builds. And it may cause issues.
I finally got all my parts for my first self build gaming PC and Main Hardware ist a 7800X3D, 32 GB DDR5 6000 CL 30, RTX 4070 ti super and lian Li EVO dynamic RGB Case and lian li Uni Fan and a AIO and i think for QHD is good to Go for the next 3 years+ and so i can Safe Money for the next Gen stuff 😅
More like 5-10yrs.
@@anitaremenarova6662 hehe thats even better 😅
@@anitaremenarova6662 10 years!!! That's crazy. 3-5 would be more realistic.
@@jimhall1131 If you're getting it for 1440p then it's indeed 10. 3-5 for 4K.
@@anitaremenarova6662 Even at 1440, with ever increasing high framerate monitors, newer game engines, new games, etc. it's highly unlikely the kind of person that buys hardware at that level of performance will last anywhere close to 10 years. My PC with similar specs, gaming at 1440/360Hz with a 4080 will likely not make it more than 4 years before I'll be itching for what the new offerings will be able to achieve.
I remember when getting 30-60fps at max settings AA/AF with a GeForce 2 or GeForce 3 back in 2001-2002 was a big deal for $299-$399. Today, people complain about 100fps+ at 4K with a $1000+ GPU. Hilarious.
People are complaining when they're dropping below 60 on a 1k or 2k costing GPU. Nvidia is undercutting its architecture on purpose and that's what people are upset about.
We just need to max out are monitors we can skip generations gpu's I skipped the 40s
I will disagree with the "future proofing never works." There are time periods that it makes a lot of sense to pick a product over another.
Like picking am5 over lga1700 thats a form of future proofing, picking a good 850w psu over a very budget 650w psu.
If you pick the am5 platform now, you can update to the best cpu that was offered in am5 once they go to am6 for a good discount. Nice and simple drop-in upgrade with a bios update.
Also, the 850w psu will have no issue powering a 80/800 class gpu that its last gen at the time of the upgrade.
Yeah, you might spend a tiny bit more now, but you won't have to buy a new mobo,ram, and psu again.
I actually think we are saying the same thing, building with a good upgrade path like you are describing is great! Spending on parts that give you no boost and cost you the best bang for your buck now ie future proofing is what I advise against
i must admit, i'm saving money to buy the 5080 in the future.
so changing to 4k is that awesome, uh?
i was thinking in staying at 1440p but full pathtracing... now i'm not sure what to do, haha.
i became addicted to raytracing thanks to cyberpunk 2077. i can't go back.
Wrong, in 4K you'd have to sacrifice PT even on a 5080 which isn't worth it imo. 4K is worth going to only if you like playing games on a TV, nobody will change my mind on it being pointless as a monitor resolution.
Going from 1080p to 3440x1440 will spoil you. Now, when I look at a 16:9 ratio screen, it looks cramped. The immersion is not there.
True, definitely disagree with him on 4K being better than 1440p ultrawide.
I wanna get the 4070 super pc in summer so i dont care about waiting a few months
I honestly i cant wait for 9800X3D cause I'm really disappointed with my 7950X3D, its not a Good CPU.
Cope? AMD doesn't have i9 problems.
I have done that 3700x mistake of future proofing. 😅
Now I’m looking for 5800x 3d or 5700 x 3d and new GPU.
Its common for sure!
So how big are the heat sinks, does it glow in the dark or make steam clouds when hot???
Правда в том, что даже на старом компьютере можно играть не хуже , чем на консолях текущего поколения. Так что эта суета вокруг " нового поколения железа" всегда не более чем реклама, в итоге мы получим процессор на 20-30% мощнее лучшего на сегоднягдень, что в пересчете на FPS равно 10 кадрам)) с видеокартами таже история
Which LGA 1700 CPU should someone get for the best price and at least 6 cores.
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Was about to buy a 7950x to upgrade from my 5950x. After seeing this im gonna hold off. I want a 5090 and 9950x lol
I would hold with that current system personally
how can i submit my pc build for boost my build
He has a Community Post every month asking for submissions. He'll have another post sometime this month.
What Ty said! To send in your list make sure you are publicly subscribed to the channel and keep an eye out for our community post where we call for the lists. We also announce its time on twitter/threads @pcbuilderjason
What is the difference in amd gpus between 6500/600/700/800/900? Like what those numbers mean? 9
Just model numbers. See our best GPU for gaming 2024 video for more.
Everytime I turn on Ray tracing it’s like I walked into awhile new game lol. Elder Ring when I played I’m like this looks like a ps3 game. I turned on Ray tracing and it jump to ps5 lol
Souls games don't have high graphical fidelity, the artstyle carries them.