Yzerman had a lot of work to do when he took over. There was limited cap space, bad contracts, and minimal prospect pool from the last days of Ken Holland.
Perhaps, but he only scored 5 goals this season. Which is fine, it was expected that he'd take a step back and start on the lower end of the roster in his jump to the AHL. Next season will really be a good indication if he can find his scoring touch in the pros or not.
Glad to see Buium getting some more love in Red Wings Nation. I think people have been sleeping on him because he didn't play a huge role in Denver the first year they won the championship in '22 and he was over shadowed by his brother when they won this year. But he was a big factor this year. When I've seen him play, he plays a very controlled game with good gap control and picks his spots to join a rush. I've had him behind Ed as our best D prospect, and now I only have him 3rd behind Ed and ASP.
Yzerman is building superior team with loads of back-end support. He took over a dumpster fire in terms of talent. But he took on a recovering Patrick Kane that was let go by the current playoff team NYR.. The dude is brilliant!
I understand the impatience of those who wanted Yzerman to sign fewer free agents last summer and bring up more of these prospects. But to build a solid team that can contend for the Cup for many years, you need a great prospect pool and a great NHL roster simultaneously. I expect more of these prospects to become Red Wings over the next few years, though not as quickly as some fans would like, but I expect them to not promote existing prospects out of this prospect pool any faster than new prospects can be drafted or otherwise a aquired to refill it. Only when we reach the point of seriously contending for the Cup should we start emptying the prospect pool, through trades in hope of getting that last piece to push us over the top.
Let Detroit enjoy this! Detroit never drafted higher than 4th in the draft, they never got a top 3 pick. Cossa and Augustine really boosted Detroit to #1. To me, Axel Sandin Pellikka is Detroit's #1 prospect. His ceiling is higher than Edvidsson.
The first 3 players should be on the Roster I don’t care if a player like Bergs or Veleno gets traded for them but they are not going anywhere unless they get time to learn to play in the NHL and two players who need a big contract should be a no brainer, not going to the playoffs with less than we have last season so get them on the roster and quit with the FA players who are not good enough.
The list seems pretty sound to me. It seems that every time there's a top list of anything, fans flock to it to respond or quote tweet it with their own reasons why they're wrong. It's almost as if some folks don't understand that "top" *anything* lists are entirely and completely subjective. As a Wings fan, I love the recognition... but at the end of the day, we don't know how these kids are actually gonna pan out (except Edvinsson, who looked good during the final month in Detroit).
Ed surpassed my expectations when playing with the wings this year, I think Danielson and Kasper will do the same. All of our prospects seem like they are being forced to focus on the process and not the results and that mindset is producing results.
There are so many questions with these rankings. Is ASP good enough to take the top spot in a few years? Will Buium beat Wallinder for the 4th D? Is Kasper or Danielson next in line for the 2C? Will Buchelnikov escape Russia, or even want to leave? Cossa or Augustine? Is Johansson an NHL player? Can Soderblom figure out how to compete on the small sheet? Can Lombardi get the speed and size needed to survive pro hockey? Is Berggren good enough defensively to send him out every night? Then there's Nygard and company from the 2024 draft. Lots of drama for sure. With Veleno taking 2.75 mil for the next two years he's probably out after that. Maybe before. This rebuild is turning the corner and it's fun to watch.
Wallinder has higher upside if he hits his ceiling. Johansson will be a great, steady third pairing D, but I think Wallinder has top four upside given his size and skating.
@europason2293 I do not disagree. Just surprised he's not on the list lol. Although I can't make an argument for who should be bummed out of the top 10 for him to be there. So maybe it should have just been a video about the top 11
@@BradEdwards-jn4kk It's a sign of good things to come when there are a handful of other prospects that we can argue about whether they belong in the top 10 or not. Wings may be a little lacking in high-end "elite" talent, but they're deep at every position, more so than pretty much any other team in the league.
It's close, but the Sabres prospects are better, IMO. As an example, Mckeen's has Kasper and Kulich as the #3 prospects respectively. Same age, same level, same position. Kasper: 71gp, 14g, 21a, 35p = .49 pts/g Kulich: 57gp, 27g, 18a, 45p = .79 pts/g If you want to say Kasper was in his rookie year and Kulich wasn't, I'd point out that Kulich put up even more points as an 18y old rookie. Comparable WHL prospects, Savioe vs Danielson: Danielson: 54gp, 24g, 43a, 67p = 1.24 pts/g Savoie in his D+1 year: 62gp, 38g, 57a, 95p = 1.53 pts/g Edvinson is a great prospect, but so is Levi. I think the depths are comparable, but the Sabres are better at the top.
is Kulich and Savioe 2-Way players because Kasper and Danielson are two way players so yea their points will be slightly lower but their involved on both sides of the ice.
@@swen1208 Kulich definitely needed to work on that in his rookie year but has been much better this year. I wouldn't call it a strength at this point. Savoie is an excellent 2 way player IMO
I like Savoie and would have preferred Detroit draft him over Kasper, but comparing him to Danielson is just a bit unfair considering he played for far better WHL teams between Winnipeg and Moose Jaw. I also don't think Savoie will center in the NHL, which is probably why Detroit opted for Kasper instead.
the kasper and kulich comparison makes sense but the Danielson and Savoie ones do not. Comparing point production for players the wings drafted to be two way centers is also a little confusing. Only thing we can really do is wait and see how all these players perform in the NHL. Kind of mind blowing that the wings surpassed the sabres while consistently getting shafted in the draft lottery.
@@broontonthat's why your metrics are biased man both Kasper and Danielson are monsters in all 3 zones with those profiles it can take more time than the others to reach their full offensive potential and usually they score less by the way even more so in their youngest years
I like Mitch Marner i know hes in the final year of his contract so maybe Toronto will want the 15th pick and some other prospects. We really dont need any more young prospects we need to make moves to win now!!
As a Red Wings fan I keep seeing this prospect ranking...... but I am wholly not agreeing with it. NO top/great/game breaking scoring wingers. Plus almost no success after the first round except maybe Carter Mazur who projects as a journeyman, not a game breaker. Gibson and Augustine maybe something there but they are not offense. Speaking of goalies are seemingly on course for a noticeable development Maybe #4-6 or so
That Montreal fan is delusional lol that guy is so lost its not even funny Roy over danielson beck over kasper give me a break buddy thats a home Fowler over cossa ya right guy lol hutdson over edvinsson i cant give you either edvinsson will be a workhorse 25 mins plus a night with seider and 40 to 50 points a year i cant even give u rehinbacker over sandin pellikka because the improvement from sandin pellikka was insane this year and he won the championship in his league sorry that Montreal guy is lost
Yzerman had a lot of work to do when he took over. There was limited cap space, bad contracts, and minimal prospect pool from the last days of Ken Holland.
I think that Amadeus Lombardi would have made the top 10 as a prospect for most other NHL teams.
Perhaps, but he only scored 5 goals this season. Which is fine, it was expected that he'd take a step back and start on the lower end of the roster in his jump to the AHL.
Next season will really be a good indication if he can find his scoring touch in the pros or not.
Buchelnikov would be higher if it weren't for the KHL concerns and lack of access.
Kid has top 6 potential
Glad to see Buium getting some more love in Red Wings Nation. I think people have been sleeping on him because he didn't play a huge role in Denver the first year they won the championship in '22 and he was over shadowed by his brother when they won this year.
But he was a big factor this year.
When I've seen him play, he plays a very controlled game with good gap control and picks his spots to join a rush.
I've had him behind Ed as our best D prospect, and now I only have him 3rd behind Ed and ASP.
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Yzerman is building superior team with loads of back-end support. He took over a dumpster fire in terms of talent. But he took on a recovering Patrick Kane that was let go by the current playoff team NYR.. The dude is brilliant!
I understand the impatience of those who wanted Yzerman to sign fewer free agents last summer and bring up more of these prospects. But to build a solid team that can contend for the Cup for many years, you need a great prospect pool and a great NHL roster simultaneously.
I expect more of these prospects to become Red Wings over the next few years, though not as quickly as some fans would like, but I expect them to not promote existing prospects out of this prospect pool any faster than new prospects can be drafted or otherwise a aquired to refill it. Only when we reach the point of seriously contending for the Cup should we start emptying the prospect pool, through trades in hope of getting that last piece to push us over the top.
"It's not the talent you got, it's what you do with it."
Kyle Dubas
Let Detroit enjoy this! Detroit never drafted higher than 4th in the draft, they never got a top 3 pick. Cossa and Augustine really boosted Detroit to #1. To me, Axel Sandin Pellikka is Detroit's #1 prospect. His ceiling is higher than Edvidsson.
Simon's size alone makes his ceiling higher
After the draft I’ll say San Jose is the best prospect pool
The first 3 players should be on the Roster I don’t care if a player like Bergs or Veleno gets traded for them but they are not going anywhere unless they get time to learn to play in the NHL and two players who need a big contract should be a no brainer, not going to the playoffs with less than we have last season so get them on the roster and quit with the FA players who are not good enough.
The list seems pretty sound to me. It seems that every time there's a top list of anything, fans flock to it to respond or quote tweet it with their own reasons why they're wrong. It's almost as if some folks don't understand that "top" *anything* lists are entirely and completely subjective. As a Wings fan, I love the recognition... but at the end of the day, we don't know how these kids are actually gonna pan out (except Edvinsson, who looked good during the final month in Detroit).
Ed surpassed my expectations when playing with the wings this year, I think Danielson and Kasper will do the same. All of our prospects seem like they are being forced to focus on the process and not the results and that mindset is producing results.
There are so many questions with these rankings. Is ASP good enough to take the top spot in a few years? Will Buium beat Wallinder for the 4th D? Is Kasper or Danielson next in line for the 2C? Will Buchelnikov escape Russia, or even want to leave? Cossa or Augustine? Is Johansson an NHL player? Can Soderblom figure out how to compete on the small sheet? Can Lombardi get the speed and size needed to survive pro hockey? Is Berggren good enough defensively to send him out every night? Then there's Nygard and company from the 2024 draft. Lots of drama for sure. With Veleno taking 2.75 mil for the next two years he's probably out after that. Maybe before. This rebuild is turning the corner and it's fun to watch.
I'm confused why Albert Johanson is not on this list. He is closer to making the red wings roster than wallinder.
Wallinder has higher upside if he hits his ceiling. Johansson will be a great, steady third pairing D, but I think Wallinder has top four upside given his size and skating.
@europason2293 I do not disagree. Just surprised he's not on the list lol. Although I can't make an argument for who should be bummed out of the top 10 for him to be there. So maybe it should have just been a video about the top 11
@@BradEdwards-jn4kk It's a sign of good things to come when there are a handful of other prospects that we can argue about whether they belong in the top 10 or not. Wings may be a little lacking in high-end "elite" talent, but they're deep at every position, more so than pretty much any other team in the league.
It's close, but the Sabres prospects are better, IMO. As an example, Mckeen's has Kasper and Kulich as the #3 prospects respectively. Same age, same level, same position.
Kasper: 71gp, 14g, 21a, 35p = .49 pts/g
Kulich: 57gp, 27g, 18a, 45p = .79 pts/g
If you want to say Kasper was in his rookie year and Kulich wasn't, I'd point out that Kulich put up even more points as an 18y old rookie.
Comparable WHL prospects, Savioe vs Danielson:
Danielson: 54gp, 24g, 43a, 67p = 1.24 pts/g
Savoie in his D+1 year: 62gp, 38g, 57a, 95p = 1.53 pts/g
Edvinson is a great prospect, but so is Levi.
I think the depths are comparable, but the Sabres are better at the top.
is Kulich and Savioe 2-Way players because Kasper and Danielson are two way players so yea their points will be slightly lower but their involved on both sides of the ice.
@@swen1208 Kulich definitely needed to work on that in his rookie year but has been much better this year. I wouldn't call it a strength at this point. Savoie is an excellent 2 way player IMO
I like Savoie and would have preferred Detroit draft him over Kasper, but comparing him to Danielson is just a bit unfair considering he played for far better WHL teams between Winnipeg and Moose Jaw. I also don't think Savoie will center in the NHL, which is probably why Detroit opted for Kasper instead.
the kasper and kulich comparison makes sense but the Danielson and Savoie ones do not. Comparing point production for players the wings drafted to be two way centers is also a little confusing. Only thing we can really do is wait and see how all these players perform in the NHL. Kind of mind blowing that the wings surpassed the sabres while consistently getting shafted in the draft lottery.
@@broontonthat's why your metrics are biased man both Kasper and Danielson are monsters in all 3 zones with those profiles it can take more time than the others to reach their full offensive potential and usually they score less by the way even more so in their youngest years
What is your opinion on Soderblum's development?
This would mean that Soderblom has dropped off the radar?
Yes because he has
Doesn't use his size, which is his only real asset.
Looks good to me LORW
I would say Edvinsson is no longer a prospect. He’s a full time NHL player.
he has 25 NHL games over 2 seasons... and he is only 21.
We all assume he will be starting next season. But until then, he's still a prospect.
I like Mitch Marner i know hes in the final year of his contract so maybe Toronto will want the 15th pick and some other prospects. We really dont need any more young prospects we need to make moves to win now!!
Not for long, Chicago will likely have better after this draft
As a Red Wings fan I keep seeing this prospect ranking...... but I am wholly not agreeing with it.
NO top/great/game breaking scoring wingers. Plus almost no success after the first round except maybe Carter Mazur who projects as a journeyman, not a game breaker. Gibson and Augustine maybe something there but they are not offense.
Speaking of goalies are seemingly on course for a noticeable development
Maybe #4-6 or so
That Montreal fan is delusional lol that guy is so lost its not even funny Roy over danielson beck over kasper give me a break buddy thats a home Fowler over cossa ya right guy lol hutdson over edvinsson i cant give you either edvinsson will be a workhorse 25 mins plus a night with seider and 40 to 50 points a year i cant even give u rehinbacker over sandin pellikka because the improvement from sandin pellikka was insane this year and he won the championship in his league sorry that Montreal guy is lost
Dude video lead photo looks like he’s got lipstick on
This is what I call good drafting... Montreal.. 🙄😭. KK.. 😭 Reinbacker etc..
Seider was surprise pick at 2019 draft when experts had him in the later in the round.
Reinbacher should be a stud dont worry but ghosting Michkov was tough
Dumb comment.
augestine and everyone else sucks lol