@@fromthedeskofprofessorskye As a long-time Dr. Egg enjoyer I actually think that nowadays his fans are somewhat more reasonable and mature than even a few years ago. Him moving away from his political content towards content oriented more towards mental health and broader cultural phenomena has let to many insufferable "edgy" people becoming disinterested in him. This led to the people following him more approximating the type of people that did beforehand. While the spectrum of people following him still is more politicised than previously, they are not the kind of compulsively and terminally LARPing political "activists" so to speak. His followers nowadays still have kind of bloated egos and believe themselves to be more disruptive than they really are, but the straight up delusional ones kind of disappeared.
His consistent messages with everything he puts out is that it’s ok for one mind to contain multitudes, frameworks provide a sense of direction to the philosophically disoriented , ideologies provide different lenses to perceive any given context through; while no lense is perfect, what matters is that for now you can see, extremism fixates on an absolute destination & snaps at anything that even slightly implies an alternative coarse of collective consciousness. His content is about how no matter what u believe or how u define morality, so long as u define it & ppl know where you stand; you’ll earn more respect from others than the millions of online quacks who dismiss frameworks as arbitrary while preferring to identify as an amorphous blob that’s important to criticize or pin down. In short, even if you’re fairly reasonable and fundamentally a good person, those positive traits don’t stop anyone from becoming ignorant. But constantly underestimating your opposition? Conflating everyone u beef with as ‘basically the same’ Even when not all of those entities like each other? Getting mad at political theories with more perspective ways of looking at something beyond “Good Bad Neutral” or “rep. Dem. And fictional ppl in the middle” “🔵🟣🔴”? That’s ignorant, petty & self destructive. You could be a saint in every other regard but all the while, malicious masterminds already know how to Divide & Conquer, radicalize zealots, poison the well & parasocially influence the more down to earth ppl around you into contrarianism so everything that should cause alarm is downplayed while your well founded fears and silent panicking suddenly comes off as unstable ramblings incapable of differentiating one threat from another because “bad is bad why look further into it?” To know the lay of the land is to have a compass or map of some kind in the most uncertain times.
I worked for jREG editing a few of his videos! Great guy, super hilarious and easy to work with! A genius of our time! Great video, great insight on his work.
"As a humanist, I watched JrEg's videos and I can tell there is a strong humanist message running underneath the whole many layers of irony-shtick!" Nice one.
I love how he covers political online culture in an ironic or meta ironic-sounding way for archival history. Jreg can say he's a feudalist with a serious intent and I can never tell if he's joking or not. Also, I think Vaush is judging an online audience watching Jreg. He assumes most people will never understand meta-ironic jokes if issues that are politicial is close to home. It's like how conservatives always misinterpret MLK's I Have A Dream speech and Orwell's 1984 message.
Exactly, your audience will always be more extreme than you, if you're a content creator. If I made an "ironic" racist channel today, my audience would mostly be racist people, not people who are also being "ironic". But, after a certain point it's basically the same as just being racist.
I feel like I've made jokes like this without really understanding them. I thought they were a product of my poor social skills and later I truly felt regretful but I think this video contextualizes what may have been going through my head at the time. I don't watch much of Jreg but this was a helpful video.
I know this is two years late and nobody will likely see this, but I got frustrated and wanted to express why. While I appreciate a lot of your analysis (I agree that JREG is fundamentally humanist and anti-tribalist/anti-atomization AND I agree that his works are very valuable and enlightening), I think you miss the mark when it comes to your personal conclusion about how people age politically. Specifically, your conclusion that, in 20 years, you'll have a white-collar job and be a moderate liberal/conservative tax payer - that just isn't true for everyone. It can't be. Millions of people in America alone do not and will never have the opportunity to be average white-collar liberal/conservative worker bees living a cushy life and benefitting from the status-quo. They will work underpaid service jobs or do hard labor that destroys their bodies. They'll get treated like human trash and abused by a system that sees them as an expendable resource. And it seems to me that these are the people most susceptible to tribalism and extremism. For good reason too, because the status quo is actively harming them. This is coming from someone who currently would love to get a college degree but is already deeply in debt and has to work full time just to keep the lights on. I would LOVE to be a bourgeois pig. But I, like many others, have no choice. And I'm relatively lucky, I at least have a roof over my head and mostly avoid going hungry. I dunno man, I try my best to be a humanist, to avoid grabbing labels and picking a side to commit to, because, like you've mentioned, it doesn't do us any good. It drives a wedge between humans who all just want the same thing. And if it could really work out the way you said, I would love that. But it can't for everyone and it really frustrates me when people from a clearly comfortable and privileged situation talk so confidently about how their life path is the universal truth. You may have been comfortable enough to become a centrist/humanist/anti-extremist/whatever. Many will not be so lucky. Comfort is not a universal truth.
agreed, i just finished this less than a day after you and really didnt enjoy it after looking back on it. I actually also am not inclined to believe jreg is what skye concludes, i am very familiar with meta irony on the internet, its mostly used in relation to politics to muddy to waters and advance agenda via the "irony" of it all. i find it more right wing honestly and not really humanist at all.
That's totally fair. I've definitely seen a lot of "irony" used as a shield to obfuscate harmful views and dogwhistle to other extremists while keeping plausible deniability for those not in the know. Irony and meta-irony aren't uniquely special, they're just tools that are now often used by assholes. The reason why I was comfortable agreeing that JREG is humanist is because I was just introduced to him and his recent videos, specifically the one about irony poisoning, make it seem pretty clear that he thinks real world community building is one of the most valuable things people can do, which I think is a good message and humanist at it's core. But I don't know the dude and still haven't seen quite a bit of his work so that's definitely not a hill I'm willing to die on.
JREG makes a very strong argument against this very notion on the horseshoe theory channel, saying that this change (extreme to moderate with age) was true in the past but will not be true from now on - and he gives substance to the claim, by sugesting that the structure that made people more moderate (available white collar jobs and quality of life) is evaporating. If you analise who are the most extreme people nowadays (at least to the right) you will se that it isn't the young people, but the old - a lot of old nazis laying around -, and that also suggests that things are changing nowadays
@@chicoamorim429 I recommend Tom Nicholas’s video on “Millennial socialism and Centrists dads”. It’s a few years old but it’s still one of the best videos I’ve seen with a ton of great substance and nuance on this topic
Honestly I totally agree with you but I think it was perfect because it just added another layer of irony to the irony cake. Right after Prof get done giving a fantastic explanation imho on why we should reject certainty and deconstruct tribalistic views, he offers what seems to me to be his own tribalistic views which he was certain abt. Which just reinforces the importance of Jregory’s work and work like it from viewers like 🫵 to continue tearing down certainty, the frameworks that divide the world, and to continue the art of building community. Genius art meta meta ironically 10/10 no notes
I think you did a really great job at paraphrasing meta/quantum-irony, especially since your explanation was more comprehensible than JrEg's. You also gave one of the best explanations of his motive that I've heard. I think you've earned my subscription!
I've followed jreg for a while, loved his chose your own path, arg style plotical ideology videos a while ago. And I really enjoyed his most recent, everything is fine. I love your channel too so I can't wait to hear what you have to say about him!
Interesting analysis of Jreg, but there are certain videos which I feel like he somewhat attempts to influence the nature of political discourse and politics in general. Recently, he started a “post-ironic” mayoral campaign in Ottowa and I am quite interested in your thoughts on that. Does he believe in accelerationism? Does he truly want radical changes to Ottowa? Or is he attacking both the centrists and the extremists as you have said? There are instances where I feel that the ambiguity of his content doesn’t necessarily discourage tribalism. At the end of the day, I do agree that Jreg is an important youtuber in today’s climate and I hope more people would look into his influence.
Love a lot of Jreg's stuff, but that "advice for people with epilepsy" short he posted (and now deleted thankfully) was pretty fucking dangerous and irresponsible.
@@antifantastisch4467 i don't think he was mentally well. that was also around when he "platformed" Lauren Southern and made a joke about killing the queen (the literal second after she died). those can be just interpreted as edgy jokes, whatever, but the epilepsy video was quite literally assault that is very illegal in many countries. no mentally sane person would've posted that AS A SHORT (so people have no choice whether to see it or not with no warning if they're simply scrolling through youtube shorts) and thought "oh, this is ok to post". that being said, i continue to watch him. any online influencer you have a parasocial relationship with in 2023 ends up being a pedophile or something and i've accepted it.
@@MegaVega2007although the epilepsy short had no excuse and was dangerous, it was in a series of shorts with obviously bad advice like the one he did on anxiety and on schizophrenia (still not an excuse). also the joke about queen Elizabeth and the platforming of lauren are not necessarily bad (maybe subjectively)
@@deur maybe not bad, but definitely edgy, especially the queen one. the epilepsy one was where he went way too far, it was no longer just an edgy joke, it was legally assault. no sane person would think to do this even for a joke.
I never ever expected this crossover. Big jreg fan as well. I feel his art is useful for putting all other art into perspective. His videos and things he does is sort of a viewing station for everything else, especially of other art and culture on the internet.
I literally started thinking of the Brel song when you were saying "sorry but in 20 years you won't be extremist anymore" and then of course you referenced it! Not used to people having the same musical touchstones as I do. Also, Billy Joel's "Angry Young Man": I believe I've passed the age of consciousness and righteous rage, I found that just surviving was a noble fight. Life goes on no matter who is wrong or right Anyway, I got completely sucked in by jreg's channel while procrastinating on my thesis a couple years ago, started out by having no knowledge of him and randomly watching his political iceberg, going "wait... why can't I get any read on his underlying perspectives????" and suddenly I was pouring through his entire catalog. I loved to hear that someone else was similarly minded as me! Excellent video!
This is such a good piece, possibly the best analysis of post irony, post truth, and post rhetoric I’ve seen. I legitimately can’t tell if this is praise or scathing criticism. The mood and tone are entirely indecipherable. The information merely exists. Which might be good? Phenomenal
Skye, shame on you for drawing attention to JrEg. Do you not realise how many young men will be radicalised through this? I will be reconsidering my Patreon membership. Thanks, Andrew
Love the video. Curious to hear more of your thoughts on tribalism vs "humanism". To me, it doesn't seem possible to organize towards a particular political end, without forming something like the tribes you describe in this video. Especially given the metric fuckton of political inertia maintaining the status quo. When you bring up "humanism", do you mean then: the extent to which individuals participating in these tribe, develop a tribal identity? Pretty much can I start calling myself a humanist at my next anarchist book club meeting?!?!!
John Oliver, FD Signifier AND Prof Skye all upload all on the same day? What have I done to deserve this? This is definitely an antidote to all the... stuff of the world today
Back to Level 0: Regarding the point "No revolution coming" - This kinda depends on the notion that "the end of history" has came, in the form of liberal democracy we have right now. I don't think I buy that point. Revolutions obviously still happen in other parts of the world (arabian spring, Iran etc etc) so who's to say they can't happen here anymore? Maybe it just needs some more instability - some more hundreds of millions climate refugees demanding they're human rights, one European country (or the US) going full fascist again... I don't want that kind of revolution btw. To any german speaker who might read this for some reason: Check out "Die Palastrevolution" by Jung & Naiv for discussions about reformism vs revolutionism & other cool thoughts.
This is actually a really good response to a video I watched recently about someone who didn't understand what it meant to be "half-joking" or what the /hj tag is.
Good video. While I appreciate its (sometimes) noble cause, it does worry me that meta-ironic "shitposting" is becoming one of the main humanistic ways of interacting with politics. I wouldn't doubt there are more people in Jreg's community that just see his ambiguity as passively accepting of their (often far right) ideologies rather than truly understand what he cares to present - especially considering it seems like a highly online/young fanbase. It's not just south parkin' it, it almost feels like exploring the post-truth zeitgeist in any meaningful way inevitably ends up adding more noise to it. Not to say any of this is Jreg's fault or that ideological polarization is purely a product of the social media era. I'm just worried the next generations will grow up more and more nihilistic. They may stop playing with countryballs as they get older but they might always remain detached from their real-world communities, politics and material conditions. As a socialist who is very aware that 99% of the type of shit ppl read and watch online as content is a world apart from a conversation with an actual person/scholar/worker, it's a very frustrating dilemma. I want ppl to be more informed, you gotta believe in something to be someone, to change the world. But it feels like the most likely scenarios are you'll either end up hate-motivated and seeing the opposition not as fellow workers but as enemies, or not care at all. Or this could've all just been a purposefully confusing slop of text. It's just meant to make you think bro, i don't even know what zeigeist means lololol every middle-class person settles into a nimby liberal is the only true ending
i know i will be white collar worker in the future, yet i still want the revolution. end of history attitude has never proved itself right, the status quo will change and bourgeois will change. p.s. i agree with everything else tho
I don't find irony to be the most interesting thing about JREG. It is a big part of his work to be sure, but I want to point out how much more there is to him. He has a video where he just chants "tax the undeveloped value of land" over and over again. Which is a reference to Georgism(not exactly a well-known political ideology.) In another video he says "as Marx once said Cthulhu may swim slowly but he always swims left" which is actually a mencius moldbug quote. He has a video that pretends to be, on the surface, about the relationship between gender identity and political ideology but is actually about Nick Lands concepts of accelerationism. In another he cites Ted Kaczysnki when criticizing Adderall abuse. He normalizes all kinds of divergent and unique political thought. Anyone who takes the time to try and understand JREG by googling some of the references he makes will find themselves accidentally learning about political theory. And not just any political theory, but the political theory that is the most creative and far away from the status quo. I think what JREG wants is ultimately a more creative attitude towards politics, one that frees us up to be centrist or extremist, far right, far left, critics of technology, embraces of technology. When he speaks about a political ideology he does so in a more concise and straightforward way than anyone else and in so doing makes every political idea no matter how extreme more accessible to the general public
About the Farquad E meme, iykyk. You hear that in your skull if you know. Its just.. E. With a bass slap on the audio and oversaturated visual. The joke isnt communicated in words, its digital. Idk
Sorry for replying to this 2 month old comment, but I think what professor skye is trying to say is that the meme is actually kind of like a blank canvas, it reflects the interpretation that you impose on it from your own experiences. I see the meme the same way you do, except more of a bass-boosted E, as in EA sports ytps. However, someone who doesn't have either of our experiences but who understands the fact the meme is a blank canvas and is meant to be absurd will be able to pin their own interpretation on the meme. I can't beleive im saying this unironically but it's kind of what modern art wants to be, it's not telling you to think a certain way, not trying to sell you on anything. Instead it's just asking you to take a moment to reflect
I think of Vaush's video on Jreg often so this was a good analysis of that. The humanist vs extremist stuff reminds me of Mr Girl's recent discussion with Vaush and subsequently Destiny (where he goes into his point a bit more).
What a video! On the note of irony, I’d love to hear what your thoughts are on Helge Schneider. Not as political as jReg, more dadaist and goofy, Helge is such an multi layered artist to study. Most of his music is in German, but he does a few in English too, such as „Dance to the music“ His most well known song would be „Katzeklo“, I’m pretty sure there’s even a translation for that. Other ones to get into his stuff would be „Texas“ and „Es gibt Reis, Baby“ (Translation available too) Have a terrible day!!
I find this interesting but one thing I would say is that we don't all become bourgeoisie pigs: some of us just stay poor, via a combination of moral choice against our own self-interest and the miserly disapproval of the Fates. That is the story of my parents and every generation of my family before me. Expect it will be the case for me. I am always going to be a prole not posh enough to know how to spell the other word without looking it up. I am only 24 years old but all 24 of them were spent in enough poverty to be able to know how foolish the rich are. I have few choices that are real choices, and the ones I have are not done lightly because that's something only wealthy fools can do. If your great grandparents were digging coal, being apolitical is not an option. Being anything other than extremist is not an option for those who are faced with extreme inequalities. That is why hbomberguy is what he is: because he is Northern English. I think it would be very hard for me to become any kind of real ruling class person considering the vast barriers that prejudice related to class disability and queerness put in my way. This is the reason why ok boomer is a phrase among the zoomers: we don't mean poor boomers who conduct themselves with any sense of humility to us younger folk. Vows of poverty existed long before any of these modern frameworks happened. They will exist long after as long as the poor are here.
I am commenting additional comments because this is really important to me and you've explained a lot about where jreg is coming from that I've been so confused about up till now.
If I bring up irony in this comment after doing something slightly unusual, that being spamming comments in an attempt to boost someone in the algorithm, does that bring into question the sincerity of the original comment, or just makes something for me to write to increase your engagement metric? I think it just increases engagement metric.
This story is 100% true. It is not ironic, post-ironic, or meta-ironic at all. I know a man with three balls. We met on Bumble. I'm straight, but I was very lonely, and with an addiction to p0rn came some rather unusual things, such as futa, which I used as my mental excuse to say "maybe I actually do like guys". One day when I was fondling him, I noticed something strange and asked, "do... do you have three balls?" He said yes, and showed me one of them lights up when you put a flashlight under it. He says the doctor said it was just some sac of fluid that had somehow formed, but it was benign. I have been a real hit with gay guys, and have been asked out several times by them, and it makes me wonder if women might like me too, because I'm straight. I'm quite happy with how I look, but I'm really not a fan of how just walking up to somebody and asking for their number affects our minds. I think the reason that's so hard to do is because we're not supposed to. Humans have been around for 300,000 years and have only seen evidence of agriculture around 10,000 years ago. This means until then communities sizes were capped by their ability to hunt and gather. Estimates of their sizes are about 100 on average. If we assume about half of those are men and half women, that cuts your options to 50. If we assume half of those are about your age, that cuts us to 25. If we assume half of those people you are attracted to (men is higher than half women is less than half) that cuts you to about 12. You are designed/evolved to have 12 options for dating. You are meant to mask your true intentions when probing and learning about someone to see if they'd be a good mate for you, and hide if you ended up with someone who you didn't first consider, to save face with everyone in the tribe, but especially the spouse you end up with.
OH MY GOD came from the Viagra boys cuz I love jReg and then you talked about Vaush, my personal favorite political streamer. PLEASE make a video I would love to hear your perspective.
Watch Sam Hyde's ted-x talk. Would love to hear your opinion on this individual. His lecture on an anime contest is also quite good. The thing about him is that unlike Andy Kaufman and jREG his humor can not appeal to audiences (even niche ones), since despite a heavy layer of irony, media was still able to pick out certain ideas, which are forbidden to express in a society
I say the following with a level of sincerety previously untouched by textual communication. That is the single most dope-ass suit I've ever seen. In MY life? It is.
Interested what you think of Vaush, I was a huge fan of him 2 or so years ago but the last few months I’ve kind of fell into a camp where half the time he sounds insane and the other half he sound the most sane. Same thing with Destiny.
I like to say I am a marxist on the sheets, social democrat on the streets. I know how the world is, you can talk with a friend at a bar about extreme leftist political views but at the end of the night you have to go home, wake up the next day, go to work, pay taxes, get groceries, eat the groceries and shit the groceries (I like how the fact that we all humans have to defecate somehow creates a sense of belonging, the capital has eroded everything except for the fact that we all have to still sit on the toilet and pass some feces).
i like the idea of quantum irony being both a an actually good term to describe the two/multi state nature of truth while also giving people the ability to feel superior because they understand “quAnTUm IrOnY” while not understanding how quantum actually defines the term. GOOD VIDEO PROF!! 💯💯💯 #cancelskyeforslutshaming
Lauren Southern is a hero. Glad jReg chose to platform her. Anyways, interesting video. It's informative to see what an older dude thinks of politics and comedy. I'm surprised you see value in Rachel Maddow, someone who so ardently pushes corporatist propaganda, or that you see any difference between right wing extremists versus left wing extremists.
I agree that most people will become liberals. However, I think that's a function of it being the dominant ideology rather than it being inevitable. There are plenty of old people who maintain the political beliefs they had in their youth.
I am unironically anti-centralist and honestly think that is a rational position, let me elaborate. The economic spectrum ranges from tribes freely sharing their resources and the products on their labour without any currency to complete economic libertarianism where everything is private property and wealth concentrating is the entire point. The social spectrum ranges from anarchy where people can do anything they want to totalitarianism where the state has complete control over what you can do from chewing gum to being allowed to live. The political representation ranges from anarchy to hereditary monarchy. Given this range I think the vast majority of people that call themselves "centrist" are not centrists at all, they simply only operate within the Overton window and see points they like and dislike on both sides of the window.
Would like to hear your opinion on Sam Hyde, he's Similar to Jreg, comedy wise. But man I can't crack his code, he donated once for a nazi website and also he supported black people charities, which is confusing af
I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on Vaush one day. A very popular and influential political voice that I'm honestly not the greatest fan of. Ignoring his political views, he just seems like a guy I wouldn't personally wanna hang with.
I put off watching this video for a while (probably bc I’ve been coded to think j reg = bad by other you tubers), but this is definitely a gem in your series. Really pulled back the curtains and concisely could explain what I did and didn’t like about your own channel. Thanks Skye, very meta ironic!
one of his albums was, called cruising with ruben and the jets. it wasnt too meta though it was only meta in the sense that frank really liked the kinda cheesy romance doo wop music, but he was lampooning the sappyness of it on that album in 68
Idk why I commented this big Zappa fan and we’re only in it for the money is filled with meta ironic jokes even the title and cover, good call with ruben and the jets, mothers of invention were even hippies ironically
I feel like near the end ur tryna be more critical of him than you feel the need to be compared to how you’ve addressed him most of the video. I say this because all of these “Xy spectrum bad” videos (containing a random salty jab at “Jay Reg” [it’s pronounced Dreg]around the 10 minute mark of each one) have been popping upthis year. And every time it’s a video by the same very specific 🌽 type 🍞 of content creators all tryna conflate authoritarian & libertarian in a way that invalidates all criticism with “I’m not a Tankie that’s just a liberal nazi dog whistle & everyone I dislike is a naziiii ESPECIALLY THOSE FUCKING ANARCHO-TWAT WAFFLES who have the fucking AUDACITY to clarify when I Selectively edit their words out of context instead of just conforming my own personal standards and allowing me to dictate which creators they do & do not associate with or else the massive support they received from my community will become overwhelming ridicule & obsessive hatred overtime” And they all seem to be very uncomfortable with the way Jreg goes from sounding exactly like them at one moment, to validating every other perspective the next. Stripping away that main character syndrome any 21st century consumer knows all too well. It’s scary ngl but still. I wanna chat with u sometime.
Crazy to see an employed person talking about Jreg
That made me laugh
@@fromthedeskofprofessorskye As a long-time Dr. Egg enjoyer I actually think that nowadays his fans are somewhat more reasonable and mature than even a few years ago.
Him moving away from his political content towards content oriented more towards mental health and broader cultural phenomena has let to many insufferable "edgy" people becoming disinterested in him.
This led to the people following him more approximating the type of people that did beforehand.
While the spectrum of people following him still is more politicised than previously, they are not the kind of compulsively and terminally LARPing political "activists" so to speak.
His followers nowadays still have kind of bloated egos and believe themselves to be more disruptive than they really are, but the straight up delusional ones kind of disappeared.
@@fromthedeskofprofessorskye I'm dying to know who the anglophile Canadian biggot is
Nice one Professor Skye, you really showed future academics who's boss!
Thank goodness ❤️
Nice one Brett Charles you really showed those RUclips commenters who’s boss
@@reni58353 Nice one Aryan Agarwall you really showed those RUclips repliers who's boss
@@salmonella1486 salm nella? 🥺
@@sirwabaloo7930 yes🥺😍
Up until now I just subconsciously interpreted his irony in a way that aligns with my own beliefs
Why?
@@dffgffffffdddddddddd I like jreg and didn't want to feel dumb for not getting his comedy
That is kinda the point of his work.
@@LightPink is this little joel?
His consistent messages with everything he puts out is that it’s ok for one mind to contain multitudes, frameworks provide a sense of direction to the philosophically disoriented , ideologies provide different lenses to perceive any given context through; while no lense is perfect, what matters is that for now you can see, extremism fixates on an absolute destination & snaps at anything that even slightly implies an alternative coarse of collective consciousness. His content is about how no matter what u believe or how u define morality, so long as u define it & ppl know where you stand; you’ll earn more respect from others than the millions of online quacks who dismiss frameworks as arbitrary while preferring to identify as an amorphous blob that’s important to criticize or pin down.
In short, even if you’re fairly reasonable and fundamentally a good person, those positive traits don’t stop anyone from becoming ignorant. But constantly underestimating your opposition? Conflating everyone u beef with as ‘basically the same’ Even when not all of those entities like each other? Getting mad at political theories with more perspective ways of looking at something beyond “Good Bad Neutral” or “rep. Dem. And fictional ppl in the middle” “🔵🟣🔴”?
That’s ignorant, petty & self destructive. You could be a saint in every other regard but all the while, malicious masterminds already know how to Divide & Conquer, radicalize zealots, poison the well & parasocially influence the more down to earth ppl around you into contrarianism so everything that should cause alarm is downplayed while your well founded fears and silent panicking suddenly comes off as unstable ramblings incapable of differentiating one threat from another because “bad is bad why look further into it?”
To know the lay of the land is to have a compass or map of some kind in the most uncertain times.
Jreg feels like a visionary when I watch him up until the point I click the share button and realize nobody I share this with will get that is ironic
I worked for jREG editing a few of his videos! Great guy, super hilarious and easy to work with! A genius of our time! Great video, great insight on his work.
This feels like a crossover episode between my two favorite youtubers
This could be because it *is* a crossover between your two favorite youtubers. Ask your doctor if you have any concerns.
@@Ethan_Simon Maybe they aren't his favorite youtubers & he's just parasocially associating them with his real two favorite youtubers
Totally agree, his importance to the zeitgeist is often understated. We'll look back and realize how streets ahead he was.
Jreg phases in and out of being a smart feller and a fart smeller
"As a humanist, I watched JrEg's videos and I can tell there is a strong humanist message running underneath the whole many layers of irony-shtick!" Nice one.
the crossover i never knew i needed
I love how he covers political online culture in an ironic or meta ironic-sounding way for archival history. Jreg can say he's a feudalist with a serious intent and I can never tell if he's joking or not.
Also, I think Vaush is judging an online audience watching Jreg. He assumes most people will never understand meta-ironic jokes if issues that are politicial is close to home. It's like how conservatives always misinterpret MLK's I Have A Dream speech and Orwell's 1984 message.
Exactly, your audience will always be more extreme than you, if you're a content creator. If I made an "ironic" racist channel today, my audience would mostly be racist people, not people who are also being "ironic". But, after a certain point it's basically the same as just being racist.
I feel like I've made jokes like this without really understanding them. I thought they were a product of my poor social skills and later I truly felt regretful but I think this video contextualizes what may have been going through my head at the time. I don't watch much of Jreg but this was a helpful video.
I know this is two years late and nobody will likely see this, but I got frustrated and wanted to express why. While I appreciate a lot of your analysis (I agree that JREG is fundamentally humanist and anti-tribalist/anti-atomization AND I agree that his works are very valuable and enlightening), I think you miss the mark when it comes to your personal conclusion about how people age politically. Specifically, your conclusion that, in 20 years, you'll have a white-collar job and be a moderate liberal/conservative tax payer - that just isn't true for everyone. It can't be. Millions of people in America alone do not and will never have the opportunity to be average white-collar liberal/conservative worker bees living a cushy life and benefitting from the status-quo. They will work underpaid service jobs or do hard labor that destroys their bodies. They'll get treated like human trash and abused by a system that sees them as an expendable resource. And it seems to me that these are the people most susceptible to tribalism and extremism. For good reason too, because the status quo is actively harming them. This is coming from someone who currently would love to get a college degree but is already deeply in debt and has to work full time just to keep the lights on. I would LOVE to be a bourgeois pig. But I, like many others, have no choice. And I'm relatively lucky, I at least have a roof over my head and mostly avoid going hungry.
I dunno man, I try my best to be a humanist, to avoid grabbing labels and picking a side to commit to, because, like you've mentioned, it doesn't do us any good. It drives a wedge between humans who all just want the same thing. And if it could really work out the way you said, I would love that. But it can't for everyone and it really frustrates me when people from a clearly comfortable and privileged situation talk so confidently about how their life path is the universal truth. You may have been comfortable enough to become a centrist/humanist/anti-extremist/whatever. Many will not be so lucky. Comfort is not a universal truth.
agreed, i just finished this less than a day after you and really didnt enjoy it after looking back on it. I actually also am not inclined to believe jreg is what skye concludes, i am very familiar with meta irony on the internet, its mostly used in relation to politics to muddy to waters and advance agenda via the "irony" of it all. i find it more right wing honestly and not really humanist at all.
That's totally fair. I've definitely seen a lot of "irony" used as a shield to obfuscate harmful views and dogwhistle to other extremists while keeping plausible deniability for those not in the know. Irony and meta-irony aren't uniquely special, they're just tools that are now often used by assholes. The reason why I was comfortable agreeing that JREG is humanist is because I was just introduced to him and his recent videos, specifically the one about irony poisoning, make it seem pretty clear that he thinks real world community building is one of the most valuable things people can do, which I think is a good message and humanist at it's core. But I don't know the dude and still haven't seen quite a bit of his work so that's definitely not a hill I'm willing to die on.
JREG makes a very strong argument against this very notion on the horseshoe theory channel, saying that this change (extreme to moderate with age) was true in the past but will not be true from now on - and he gives substance to the claim, by sugesting that the structure that made people more moderate (available white collar jobs and quality of life) is evaporating. If you analise who are the most extreme people nowadays (at least to the right) you will se that it isn't the young people, but the old - a lot of old nazis laying around -, and that also suggests that things are changing nowadays
@@chicoamorim429 I recommend Tom Nicholas’s video on “Millennial socialism and Centrists dads”. It’s a few years old but it’s still one of the best videos I’ve seen with a ton of great substance and nuance on this topic
Honestly I totally agree with you but I think it was perfect because it just added another layer of irony to the irony cake. Right after Prof get done giving a fantastic explanation imho on why we should reject certainty and deconstruct tribalistic views, he offers what seems to me to be his own tribalistic views which he was certain abt. Which just reinforces the importance of Jregory’s work and work like it from viewers like 🫵 to continue tearing down certainty, the frameworks that divide the world, and to continue the art of building community. Genius art meta meta ironically 10/10 no notes
That suit is so dopeass, I give it like a 9 out of 11
I think you did a really great job at paraphrasing meta/quantum-irony, especially since your explanation was more comprehensible than JrEg's. You also gave one of the best explanations of his motive that I've heard. I think you've earned my subscription!
I've followed jreg for a while, loved his chose your own path, arg style plotical ideology videos a while ago. And I really enjoyed his most recent, everything is fine. I love your channel too so I can't wait to hear what you have to say about him!
Interesting analysis of Jreg, but there are certain videos which I feel like he somewhat attempts to influence the nature of political discourse and politics in general. Recently, he started a “post-ironic” mayoral campaign in Ottowa and I am quite interested in your thoughts on that. Does he believe in accelerationism? Does he truly want radical changes to Ottowa? Or is he attacking both the centrists and the extremists as you have said? There are instances where I feel that the ambiguity of his content doesn’t necessarily discourage tribalism. At the end of the day, I do agree that Jreg is an important youtuber in today’s climate and I hope more people would look into his influence.
Love a lot of Jreg's stuff, but that "advice for people with epilepsy" short he posted (and now deleted thankfully) was pretty fucking dangerous and irresponsible.
It wasn't dangerous
@@florianschneider3982 How so? Pretty sure it was
@@antifantastisch4467 i don't think he was mentally well. that was also around when he "platformed" Lauren Southern and made a joke about killing the queen (the literal second after she died). those can be just interpreted as edgy jokes, whatever, but the epilepsy video was quite literally assault that is very illegal in many countries. no mentally sane person would've posted that AS A SHORT (so people have no choice whether to see it or not with no warning if they're simply scrolling through youtube shorts) and thought "oh, this is ok to post".
that being said, i continue to watch him. any online influencer you have a parasocial relationship with in 2023 ends up being a pedophile or something and i've accepted it.
@@MegaVega2007although the epilepsy short had no excuse and was dangerous, it was in a series of shorts with obviously bad advice like the one he did on anxiety and on schizophrenia (still not an excuse). also the joke about queen Elizabeth and the platforming of lauren are not necessarily bad (maybe subjectively)
@@deur maybe not bad, but definitely edgy, especially the queen one. the epilepsy one was where he went way too far, it was no longer just an edgy joke, it was legally assault. no sane person would think to do this even for a joke.
I never ever expected this crossover. Big jreg fan as well. I feel his art is useful for putting all other art into perspective. His videos and things he does is sort of a viewing station for everything else, especially of other art and culture on the internet.
I'm glad to see you bring up Brel! I was introduced to his music by the Brel covers Scott Walker did. Great video, as always.
This is so cool!
Goblins are real
^^^^ This is true, I seen one
Kaufman's whole career was just a long excuse to do his Elvis impression.
I literally started thinking of the Brel song when you were saying "sorry but in 20 years you won't be extremist anymore" and then of course you referenced it! Not used to people having the same musical touchstones as I do. Also, Billy Joel's "Angry Young Man": I believe I've passed the age of consciousness and righteous rage, I found that just surviving was a noble fight. Life goes on no matter who is wrong or right
Anyway, I got completely sucked in by jreg's channel while procrastinating on my thesis a couple years ago, started out by having no knowledge of him and randomly watching his political iceberg, going "wait... why can't I get any read on his underlying perspectives????" and suddenly I was pouring through his entire catalog. I loved to hear that someone else was similarly minded as me! Excellent video!
the suit is about 918,533/1,000,000 dope ass level
Oh my god I just discovered you through vultures review and I’ve been watching Jreg since I was in 10tb grade YES
11:39, I can't tell, but is that J.J?
Probably Lauren Southern
@@andreas5341 Her name is Southern, yet she's from the north?
I love how it’s not but it could be
This is such a good piece, possibly the best analysis of post irony, post truth, and post rhetoric I’ve seen. I legitimately can’t tell if this is praise or scathing criticism. The mood and tone are entirely indecipherable. The information merely exists. Which might be good? Phenomenal
I was just listening but knew exactly which meme when he said "sort of a character and the letter E" because that shit went crazy
i was in japan is a riff on " in my country we have a sayin... (bobs his head)
Yes, I agree the problem isn’t centrism it’s certainty!
Skye, shame on you for drawing attention to JrEg. Do you not realise how many young men will be radicalised through this? I will be reconsidering my Patreon membership. Thanks, Andrew
I've been introduced to jreg through Skye and have smoked 4 reefers since
That is a dope ass suit
“He meta-ironically died”
🎵 _If you believe they put a man on the moon_ 🎵
Love the video. Curious to hear more of your thoughts on tribalism vs "humanism". To me, it doesn't seem possible to organize towards a particular political end, without forming something like the tribes you describe in this video. Especially given the metric fuckton of political inertia maintaining the status quo. When you bring up "humanism", do you mean then: the extent to which individuals participating in these tribe, develop a tribal identity?
Pretty much can I start calling myself a humanist at my next anarchist book club meeting?!?!!
That’s a dope ass three piece suit.
The future mayor of Ottawa will judge this video with interest.
John Oliver, FD Signifier AND Prof Skye all upload all on the same day? What have I done to deserve this? This is definitely an antidote to all the... stuff of the world today
Back to Level 0: Regarding the point "No revolution coming" - This kinda depends on the notion that "the end of history" has came, in the form of liberal democracy we have right now.
I don't think I buy that point.
Revolutions obviously still happen in other parts of the world (arabian spring, Iran etc etc) so who's to say they can't happen here anymore?
Maybe it just needs some more instability - some more hundreds of millions climate refugees demanding they're human rights, one European country (or the US) going full fascist again...
I don't want that kind of revolution btw.
To any german speaker who might read this for some reason:
Check out "Die Palastrevolution" by Jung & Naiv for discussions about reformism vs revolutionism & other cool thoughts.
16:42 "Realism is Bigotry" funnily enough this sounds like an ironic statement.
The suit’s pretty dope ass, but the tie seals the deal
On level 0: fabulous video, great analysis. Subscribed
This is actually a really good response to a video I watched recently about someone who didn't understand what it meant to be "half-joking" or what the /hj tag is.
Jreg confuses and frustrates me because I can't know or figure out what kind of person he is
Good video. While I appreciate its (sometimes) noble cause, it does worry me that meta-ironic "shitposting" is becoming one of the main humanistic ways of interacting with politics. I wouldn't doubt there are more people in Jreg's community that just see his ambiguity as passively accepting of their (often far right) ideologies rather than truly understand what he cares to present - especially considering it seems like a highly online/young fanbase. It's not just south parkin' it, it almost feels like exploring the post-truth zeitgeist in any meaningful way inevitably ends up adding more noise to it.
Not to say any of this is Jreg's fault or that ideological polarization is purely a product of the social media era. I'm just worried the next generations will grow up more and more nihilistic. They may stop playing with countryballs as they get older but they might always remain detached from their real-world communities, politics and material conditions. As a socialist who is very aware that 99% of the type of shit ppl read and watch online as content is a world apart from a conversation with an actual person/scholar/worker, it's a very frustrating dilemma. I want ppl to be more informed, you gotta believe in something to be someone, to change the world. But it feels like the most likely scenarios are you'll either end up hate-motivated and seeing the opposition not as fellow workers but as enemies, or not care at all.
Or this could've all just been a purposefully confusing slop of text. It's just meant to make you think bro, i don't even know what zeigeist means lololol every middle-class person settles into a nimby liberal is the only true ending
if the middle class would be tankies instead things would be more FUN
he actually made a video about irony poisoning a couple of days ago. would recommend!
i know i will be white collar worker in the future, yet i still want the revolution. end of history attitude has never proved itself right, the status quo will change and bourgeois will change.
p.s. i agree with everything else tho
I don't find irony to be the most interesting thing about JREG. It is a big part of his work to be sure, but I want to point out how much more there is to him.
He has a video where he just chants "tax the undeveloped value of land" over and over again. Which is a reference to Georgism(not exactly a well-known political ideology.) In another video he says "as Marx once said Cthulhu may swim slowly but he always swims left" which is actually a mencius moldbug quote.
He has a video that pretends to be, on the surface, about the relationship between gender identity and political ideology but is actually about Nick Lands concepts of accelerationism.
In another he cites Ted Kaczysnki when criticizing Adderall abuse.
He normalizes all kinds of divergent and unique political thought. Anyone who takes the time to try and understand JREG by googling some of the references he makes will find themselves accidentally learning about political theory.
And not just any political theory, but the political theory that is the most creative and far away from the status quo.
I think what JREG wants is ultimately a more creative attitude towards politics, one that frees us up to be centrist or extremist, far right, far left, critics of technology, embraces of technology.
When he speaks about a political ideology he does so in a more concise and straightforward way than anyone else and in so doing makes every political idea no matter how extreme more accessible to the general public
I was really wondering about the impact font bullshit.. or was I???
About the Farquad E meme, iykyk. You hear that in your skull if you know. Its just.. E. With a bass slap on the audio and oversaturated visual. The joke isnt communicated in words, its digital. Idk
Sorry for replying to this 2 month old comment, but I think what professor skye is trying to say is that the meme is actually kind of like a blank canvas, it reflects the interpretation that you impose on it from your own experiences. I see the meme the same way you do, except more of a bass-boosted E, as in EA sports ytps. However, someone who doesn't have either of our experiences but who understands the fact the meme is a blank canvas and is meant to be absurd will be able to pin their own interpretation on the meme. I can't beleive im saying this unironically but it's kind of what modern art wants to be, it's not telling you to think a certain way, not trying to sell you on anything. Instead it's just asking you to take a moment to reflect
dope suit 😎👍
4.3/10
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i don‘t even wanna think anymore i just want sex
I think of Vaush's video on Jreg often so this was a good analysis of that. The humanist vs extremist stuff reminds me of Mr Girl's recent discussion with Vaush and subsequently Destiny (where he goes into his point a bit more).
The post-Vaush convo with Destiny since its on neither's channel
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What a video!
On the note of irony, I’d love to hear what your thoughts are on Helge Schneider. Not as political as jReg, more dadaist and goofy, Helge is such an multi layered artist to study. Most of his music is in German, but he does a few in English too, such as „Dance to the music“
His most well known song would be „Katzeklo“, I’m pretty sure there’s even a translation for that. Other ones to get into his stuff would be „Texas“ and „Es gibt Reis, Baby“ (Translation available too)
Have a terrible day!!
I find this interesting but one thing I would say is that we don't all become bourgeoisie pigs: some of us just stay poor, via a combination of moral choice against our own self-interest and the miserly disapproval of the Fates. That is the story of my parents and every generation of my family before me. Expect it will be the case for me. I am always going to be a prole not posh enough to know how to spell the other word without looking it up. I am only 24 years old but all 24 of them were spent in enough poverty to be able to know how foolish the rich are. I have few choices that are real choices, and the ones I have are not done lightly because that's something only wealthy fools can do. If your great grandparents were digging coal, being apolitical is not an option. Being anything other than extremist is not an option for those who are faced with extreme inequalities. That is why hbomberguy is what he is: because he is Northern English. I think it would be very hard for me to become any kind of real ruling class person considering the vast barriers that prejudice related to class disability and queerness put in my way. This is the reason why ok boomer is a phrase among the zoomers: we don't mean poor boomers who conduct themselves with any sense of humility to us younger folk.
Vows of poverty existed long before any of these modern frameworks happened. They will exist long after as long as the poor are here.
Great video with insightful points! I guarantee you I’m gonna indirectly use the word tribalism more when talking politics as a result of this
This is super important, please excuse me while I spam for the algorithm.
I am commenting additional comments because this is really important to me and you've explained a lot about where jreg is coming from that I've been so confused about up till now.
If I bring up irony in this comment after doing something slightly unusual, that being spamming comments in an attempt to boost someone in the algorithm, does that bring into question the sincerity of the original comment, or just makes something for me to write to increase your engagement metric? I think it just increases engagement metric.
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This story is 100% true. It is not ironic, post-ironic, or meta-ironic at all. I know a man with three balls. We met on Bumble. I'm straight, but I was very lonely, and with an addiction to p0rn came some rather unusual things, such as futa, which I used as my mental excuse to say "maybe I actually do like guys". One day when I was fondling him, I noticed something strange and asked, "do... do you have three balls?" He said yes, and showed me one of them lights up when you put a flashlight under it. He says the doctor said it was just some sac of fluid that had somehow formed, but it was benign.
I have been a real hit with gay guys, and have been asked out several times by them, and it makes me wonder if women might like me too, because I'm straight. I'm quite happy with how I look, but I'm really not a fan of how just walking up to somebody and asking for their number affects our minds. I think the reason that's so hard to do is because we're not supposed to. Humans have been around for 300,000 years and have only seen evidence of agriculture around 10,000 years ago. This means until then communities sizes were capped by their ability to hunt and gather. Estimates of their sizes are about 100 on average. If we assume about half of those are men and half women, that cuts your options to 50. If we assume half of those are about your age, that cuts us to 25. If we assume half of those people you are attracted to (men is higher than half women is less than half) that cuts you to about 12. You are designed/evolved to have 12 options for dating. You are meant to mask your true intentions when probing and learning about someone to see if they'd be a good mate for you, and hide if you ended up with someone who you didn't first consider, to save face with everyone in the tribe, but especially the spouse you end up with.
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Let's gather a team of people who don't wanna join anymore teams and work thing out.
Who else watching in 2042?
Holy moly you are an amazing dude
This soot is so dope Diddy brought it to a hotel room
OH MY GOD came from the Viagra boys cuz I love jReg and then you talked about Vaush, my personal favorite political streamer. PLEASE make a video I would love to hear your perspective.
Good to see m.a.p supports in the community speaking out
wassup@@johnroyal4054, i no longer watch vaush lmao, havent for like a year. he is maybe perchance a little cringe
Ooh, “quantum irony” is a good name
Sweet Pickles are cool.
irony leads to cognitive dissonance.. I would say this is the special sauce we need as humans if we want to go forward.. jreg nails it...
I liked your discourse on tribalism, I mean that sincerely.
Haven't watched the entire video, but I think he honestly enforces tribalism, that's what the political compass stuff does.
what do you think about peachcoobler he talks about history a lot and i love his style
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Actually, I think there's three
I wonder what you think about the idubbz tv doc on sam hyde and meta-irony? and on sam hyde in general?
On the dopeass scale, your suit is a 1000000, Skye. Dapper as ever.
Watch Sam Hyde's ted-x talk. Would love to hear your opinion on this individual. His lecture on an anime contest is also quite good. The thing about him is that unlike Andy Kaufman and jREG his humor can not appeal to audiences (even niche ones), since despite a heavy layer of irony, media was still able to pick out certain ideas, which are forbidden to express in a society
I say the following with a level of sincerety previously untouched by textual communication.
That is the single most dope-ass suit I've ever seen. In MY life? It is.
I love your suit as much as peanut butter and jelly sand-which I never ate !
Interested what you think of Vaush, I was a huge fan of him 2 or so years ago but the last few months I’ve kind of fell into a camp where half the time he sounds insane and the other half he sound the most sane. Same thing with Destiny.
The dude thinks that the age of consent should be lowered and it's better for kids. I wouldn't listen to anything he has to say
@@johnroyal4054 straw man
@@ReviveR6 how?
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I like to say I am a marxist on the sheets, social democrat on the streets. I know how the world is, you can talk with a friend at a bar about extreme leftist political views but at the end of the night you have to go home, wake up the next day, go to work, pay taxes, get groceries, eat the groceries and shit the groceries (I like how the fact that we all humans have to defecate somehow creates a sense of belonging, the capital has eroded everything except for the fact that we all have to still sit on the toilet and pass some feces).
i like the idea of quantum irony being both a an actually good term to describe the two/multi state nature of truth while also giving people the ability to feel superior because they understand “quAnTUm IrOnY” while not understanding how quantum actually defines the term. GOOD VIDEO PROF!! 💯💯💯 #cancelskyeforslutshaming
as a millennial leu me just say that i love Rachel Maddow. who is she
Great use of meta irony
Lauren Southern is a hero. Glad jReg chose to platform her. Anyways, interesting video. It's informative to see what an older dude thinks of politics and comedy. I'm surprised you see value in Rachel Maddow, someone who so ardently pushes corporatist propaganda, or that you see any difference between right wing extremists versus left wing extremists.
Was she the white nationalist he was talking about?
Is it ironic that Frank Zappa hated hippies while looking an awful lot like a hippie ?
zappa looked like a freak, there was a difference, and some overlap but freaks and hippies were different
A crisp 700 mil
well see you in 20 years
I agree that most people will become liberals. However, I think that's a function of it being the dominant ideology rather than it being inevitable. There are plenty of old people who maintain the political beliefs they had in their youth.
5:45 I know Destiny is a girl's name but he's actually a boy
Andy Kaufman was brilliant and a true original. That was unironic.
I am unironically anti-centralist and honestly think that is a rational position, let me elaborate.
The economic spectrum ranges from tribes freely sharing their resources and the products on their labour without any currency to complete economic libertarianism where everything is private property and wealth concentrating is the entire point.
The social spectrum ranges from anarchy where people can do anything they want to totalitarianism where the state has complete control over what you can do from chewing gum to being allowed to live.
The political representation ranges from anarchy to hereditary monarchy.
Given this range I think the vast majority of people that call themselves "centrist" are not centrists at all, they simply only operate within the Overton window and see points they like and dislike on both sides of the window.
Sounds like Sam Hyde, I'll check him out. This stuff is absolutely in my wheelhouse. Btw, I absolutely LLOOVVEE peteswickles.
prof skye plz give views on channel 5
suit is 1000000 dope ass
Real
I get your point about being "middle class". But you are not bourgeois by definition, you own no means of production.
Yeah, you are not voting against your class interests unless you are a billionare or something
Cool video but MAJOR FLAW. Its pronounced Jr. Egg (that's why I had to dislike unfortunately)
Would like to hear your opinion on Sam Hyde, he's Similar to Jreg, comedy wise. But man I can't crack his code, he donated once for a nazi website and also he supported black people charities, which is confusing af
You can be both. I do
he is openly a neonazi
I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on Vaush one day. A very popular and influential political voice that I'm honestly not the greatest fan of. Ignoring his political views, he just seems like a guy I wouldn't personally wanna hang with.
I mean, his discord and his community does have alt righters for sure, like theres no doubt about it
the suit is fukcing dope, but the tie is vormeit indusing, it like sual good man from breaking bad :DDDDDDDDDDD
I put off watching this video for a while (probably bc I’ve been coded to think j reg = bad by other you tubers), but this is definitely a gem in your series. Really pulled back the curtains and concisely could explain what I did and didn’t like about your own channel. Thanks Skye, very meta ironic!
How was Frank Zappa meta ironic?
one of his albums was, called cruising with ruben and the jets. it wasnt too meta though it was only meta in the sense that frank really liked the kinda cheesy romance doo wop music, but he was lampooning the sappyness of it on that album in 68
Idk why I commented this big Zappa fan and we’re only in it for the money is filled with meta ironic jokes even the title and cover, good call with ruben and the jets, mothers of invention were even hippies ironically
I feel like near the end ur tryna be more critical of him than you feel the need to be compared to how you’ve addressed him most of the video. I say this because all of these “Xy spectrum bad” videos (containing a random salty jab at “Jay Reg” [it’s pronounced Dreg]around the 10 minute mark of each one) have been popping upthis year. And every time it’s a video by the same very specific 🌽 type 🍞 of content creators all tryna conflate authoritarian & libertarian in a way that invalidates all criticism with “I’m not a Tankie that’s just a liberal nazi dog whistle & everyone I dislike is a naziiii ESPECIALLY THOSE FUCKING ANARCHO-TWAT WAFFLES who have the fucking AUDACITY to clarify when I Selectively edit their words out of context instead of just conforming my own personal standards and allowing me to dictate which creators they do & do not associate with or else the massive support they received from my community will become overwhelming ridicule & obsessive hatred overtime”
And they all seem to be very uncomfortable with the way Jreg goes from sounding exactly like them at one moment, to validating every other perspective the next. Stripping away that main character syndrome any 21st century consumer knows all too well. It’s scary ngl but still. I wanna chat with u sometime.