When I use the term “guilty pleasure” it’s not exactly that I’m embarrassed of liking something. I define it as “something I like but don’t know how to defend.”
Or “I like this and can defend it, but the defense is extremely subjective and I’m aware of it” The Fast and Furious series is a guilty pleasure, because I laugh at it - but I don’t have time to frame all the caveats in which it represents my film taste almost to no degree.
@@ghoulish6125 fast and furious is also always the first example I go to. the first one specifically, I have always understood that it’s objectively not a great movie and other car ppl love to hate on it for its absurdity understandably, but I had never cared so little about all that in my life. i’ve always seen it as expressionist idk
i have a friend who shows me music he loves all the time. I don't love it but I've learned i like some musical elements i never would've given a chance. I show him one song and he never gives me the aux again
Skye- the hits keep coming, another solid take. My band has been arguing for the last year over whether or not we should cover “Down Low,” so this is hella relevant. I’m actually working on a music project that samples your work - but you gotta stop releasing so many quotable cuz I can’t keep up!
Thank you so much for this! You said everything I’ve been feeling and thinking around whether it’s okay to listen to certain artists despite their wrongdoings in their life outside of art. It goes hand in hand with the “separate the art from the artist” argument people always like to bring up. Wish you ended the video with your best KDot “I remember you was conflicted.” 😂 AVAA
thank you professor skye for providing me with the philosophical/analytical ammunition I need when people sneer at me for unironically loving eurovision, AVAA!
AAVA. The point at 7:30 made me immediately think of the new Roc Marciano album where he used that annoying audio clip from Jordan Peterson talking about people having “bad taste”.
AVAA, one of my favorite commentators Spectrum Pulse has a great video essay about that link between class and taste, and puts it in the context of the 20/20 Experience by Justin Timberlake, really interesting stuff
Guilt always came off to me as “the feeling you get when you think that someone you love, respect, or fear, would have a problem with your enjoyment of something.” Edit: AVAA
Great points. AVAA. I just want to add that the Danana-nana-hey Sports song you mentioned was the official goal song for the Colorado Avalanche for years, and they promptly dropped it when the [PDF file] information came out, and this lore constantly has to be explained to older generations when they talk about missing "the way it was before". I think it's a fascinating example of corporations establishing cultural morals.
AVAA! I think that something like that tarantino-godard-monogram path of snobbery is a necessary part of getting to that understanding. Maybe not fundamentally necessary, but given, yknow, everything, I think environments that create a person who intrinsically understands the system behind the concept “having taste” = “being distinguished” are rare. I think it’s difficult to view that line or hierarchy of snobbery as a web and an artistic ecosystem until you map enough of it in your head. Leaving the associations of power behind is the more complicated and difficult part though.
AVAA. I was delighted to see this in my recommended. It was a line that stood out to me in your previous video and I meant to write it down but forgot. This time, I had a note-taking document up and wrote some stuff down because this is fascinating! It perhaps goes without saying but I'd include ableism too. So many Autistic and neurodivergent individuals are made fun of for having "cringe" and/or childlike interests and for what reason? I'm not sure myself. Surely it relates to this in some way. Something about not being allowed to be playful as an adult? Anyway, I'm rambling now. Thanks for the video :)
Okay can’t wait for this one so a guilty pleasure isn’t a vice, like I would say some of my love a true crime is a vice, this kind of media is toxic and I like for toxic reasons shouldn’t I stop watching this media?
The concept of a guilty pleasure can apply to any media, and that's mainly what he's talking about. He's just framing it through music specifically because that's what his channel is about. @maps_x
Hey professor, your reviews are really insightful and introspective. I've been following your channel for a while, and your perspectives made me understand myself and my taste way better, so thank you. When you have a little bit of time to spare, please listen to Dysocjacja by Exodus1900, I think the album is really good, and it has a unique flavor and rhythm that's really memorable. Just like other music you reviewed, this album was an acquired taste for me, going from "I don't know if I like it", to "it's allright" and then to "this music is really really good", so keep that in mind. I would really like to hear your thoughts on it. Even if it is just a reply to this comment.
AVAA I find this to be interesting when paired with CJ the X's video on Jordan Peterson and his many MANY questionable suits. I think when people discuss taste, a lot of it has to do with "aesthetic." This idea that this artist or band does not match my aura, or how I envision myself, is somehow wrong on any substantial level. I know I find myself in similar spaces when discussing music with friends that I find myself disagreeing with. But most of it is interpreting wavy lines of sound until we start getting into discussions over ethics because music is such a difficult medium to criticize. I like the idea of "conflicted" rather than "guilty" because the listeners are not complicit in the artists' actions.
Great video!!! I would say, with the MJ thing, some of us genuinely do not believe the allegations because we looked into it ourselves as adults. I can personally say, I’m willing to throw anyone out if I truly believe they’ve done something against my morals. Not everyone has that cognitive dissonance. However I will say this; it’s an argument a lot of YT people I know, make, and it’s actually very condescending and haughty. Why have you assumed we are just these super fans who are disowning their morals. It’s a very elitist YT thing I’ve heard (mostly whilst working for Fortune 500 companies). I think, given your points ahead of the MJ one, you should reexamine your language and assumptions around this. I can only speak to the experience of black Britons but, I find this conversation incredibly culturally, and racially loaded; think of MJ as the OJ of music. Xx
Guilty pleasure (music): something you know is trash, but you like anyway. Like a sonic Twinkie or Sno Ball. Actual guilt need not be present. See: Riff Raff.
great video skye, i agree that liking death grips makes me a good person.
This felt personal. I love when you really get deep into philosophical and social issues. Would love more of this 🤞🏽
I immediately heard "I remember you was conflicted" seeing this video in my notifications lol.
"Once I like it, it's good" is solid. 10/10
We need a video essay about why betting is a class war! Youve mentioned it numerous times and it stuck with me would love to hear your reasoning
When I use the term “guilty pleasure” it’s not exactly that I’m embarrassed of liking something. I define it as “something I like but don’t know how to defend.”
Or “I like this and can defend it, but the defense is extremely subjective and I’m aware of it” The Fast and Furious series is a guilty pleasure, because I laugh at it - but I don’t have time to frame all the caveats in which it represents my film taste almost to no degree.
but you can somehow verbalise why you like it, is that not enough of a defence in itself?
@@ghoulish6125 fast and furious is also always the first example I go to. the first one specifically, I have always understood that it’s objectively not a great movie and other car ppl love to hate on it for its absurdity understandably, but I had never cared so little about all that in my life. i’ve always seen it as expressionist idk
@@ForgBorger [DANGER TO MANIFOLD] is high art
@@ForgBorger I mean it's a piece of fiction,i think demanding it to be accurate to real cars is a little ridiculous.
Like the delineation between 'taste' and 'morals' in this, made me think. AVAA!
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Keep doing amazing work!
i have a friend who shows me music he loves all the time. I don't love it but I've learned i like some musical elements i never would've given a chance. I show him one song and he never gives me the aux again
we all have a friend like that. mine's my brother 😢
Friends like that are so annoying. They take music way too serious. Music is just noise
Good on you though you're learning and growing!
Skye- the hits keep coming, another solid take. My band has been arguing for the last year over whether or not we should cover “Down Low,” so this is hella relevant.
I’m actually working on a music project that samples your work - but you gotta stop releasing so many quotable cuz I can’t keep up!
AVAA, the only guilty pleasure i ever had was eating glue
Thank you so much for this! You said everything I’ve been feeling and thinking around whether it’s okay to listen to certain artists despite their wrongdoings in their life outside of art. It goes hand in hand with the “separate the art from the artist” argument people always like to bring up. Wish you ended the video with your best KDot “I remember you was conflicted.” 😂 AVAA
thank you professor skye for providing me with the philosophical/analytical ammunition I need when people sneer at me for unironically loving eurovision, AVAA!
AAVA. The point at 7:30 made me immediately think of the new Roc Marciano album where he used that annoying audio clip from Jordan Peterson talking about people having “bad taste”.
My guilty pleasure songs are usually songs that I don't like but there's one verse that just scratches an itch in my brain
AVAA! I am in PhD school studying about social class in organizations. Pierre Bourdieu plays a huge role in my field. Thank you!
AVAA these videos are quickly becoming my guilty pleasure!
AVAA, one of my favorite commentators Spectrum Pulse has a great video essay about that link between class and taste, and puts it in the context of the 20/20 Experience by Justin Timberlake, really interesting stuff
Guilt always came off to me as “the feeling you get when you think that someone you love, respect, or fear, would have a problem with your enjoyment of something.”
Edit: AVAA
I support Professor Skye supporting worker solidarity and destroying the idea of co-worker music. It really is a term of contempt
Talk to ‘em professor Skye!
Great points. AVAA.
I just want to add that the Danana-nana-hey Sports song you mentioned was the official goal song for the Colorado Avalanche for years, and they promptly dropped it when the [PDF file] information came out, and this lore constantly has to be explained to older generations when they talk about missing "the way it was before". I think it's a fascinating example of corporations establishing cultural morals.
AVAA this is the most interesting video ive probably all year
thank you
AAVA! 4:11 I love the image of Prof. Skye begrudgingly bobbing his head at a Red Hot Chili Peppers concert. 😂
Whenever you said conflicted I kept hearing “I remember you was conflicted” in my head
(Was kinda intentional! 😀)
AVAA tapping into the video game fanbase with the soulsborne comment was so funny to me
AVAA! I think that something like that tarantino-godard-monogram path of snobbery is a necessary part of getting to that understanding. Maybe not fundamentally necessary, but given, yknow, everything, I think environments that create a person who intrinsically understands the system behind the concept “having taste” = “being distinguished” are rare. I think it’s difficult to view that line or hierarchy of snobbery as a web and an artistic ecosystem until you map enough of it in your head. Leaving the associations of power behind is the more complicated and difficult part though.
new Skye Fridays!!!
you cooked with this one unc skye this vid needs to be shown to everyone Avaa
AVAA. I was delighted to see this in my recommended. It was a line that stood out to me in your previous video and I meant to write it down but forgot. This time, I had a note-taking document up and wrote some stuff down because this is fascinating! It perhaps goes without saying but I'd include ableism too. So many Autistic and neurodivergent individuals are made fun of for having "cringe" and/or childlike interests and for what reason? I'm not sure myself. Surely it relates to this in some way. Something about not being allowed to be playful as an adult? Anyway, I'm rambling now. Thanks for the video :)
I needed this
AVAA gotta love it man
Okay can’t wait for this one so a guilty pleasure isn’t a vice, like I would say some of my love a true crime is a vice, this kind of media is toxic and I like for toxic reasons shouldn’t I stop watching this media?
I think he's talking about music mostly... true crime is questionable?
@ yeah parts of it are
The concept of a guilty pleasure can apply to any media, and that's mainly what he's talking about. He's just framing it through music specifically because that's what his channel is about. @maps_x
Hey professor, your reviews are really insightful and introspective. I've been following your channel for a while, and your perspectives made me understand myself and my taste way better, so thank you.
When you have a little bit of time to spare, please listen to Dysocjacja by Exodus1900, I think the album is really good, and it has a unique flavor and rhythm that's really memorable.
Just like other music you reviewed, this album was an acquired taste for me, going from "I don't know if I like it", to "it's allright" and then to "this music is really really good", so keep that in mind. I would really like to hear your thoughts on it. Even if it is just a reply to this comment.
AVAA I find this to be interesting when paired with CJ the X's video on Jordan Peterson and his many MANY questionable suits. I think when people discuss taste, a lot of it has to do with "aesthetic." This idea that this artist or band does not match my aura, or how I envision myself, is somehow wrong on any substantial level. I know I find myself in similar spaces when discussing music with friends that I find myself disagreeing with. But most of it is interpreting wavy lines of sound until we start getting into discussions over ethics because music is such a difficult medium to criticize. I like the idea of "conflicted" rather than "guilty" because the listeners are not complicit in the artists' actions.
I remember i was conflicted.
AVAA, i have horrible taste and no one can stop me.
Chabrol > Godard
(Though Contempt and Sympathy For the Devil are awesome and I saw Weekend at the right time in my life to like it more than most.)
I wish u taught a Music Philosophy class. I would sign up 💯
Haven't listened to death grips yet but I definitely play soulborne haha
Chick fil a was not the only thing you could eat, you wanted chick fil a. You felt conflicted about it , chick fil a is your guilty pleasure
Doin the Lorde's work
AAVA! I love ketamine, thank god I don’t need to feel guilt about my usage.
finished the video, I now understand ketamine is a conflicted pleasure. Thank you professor Skye and AAVA!
AVAA Bill Pullman.
Professor Skye... a Beethoven fan? Surely he knows that Bach is the more superior german composer!
❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤ Great video
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😊 AVAA
Great video!!! I would say, with the MJ thing, some of us genuinely do not believe the allegations because we looked into it ourselves as adults. I can personally say, I’m willing to throw anyone out if I truly believe they’ve done something against my morals. Not everyone has that cognitive dissonance. However I will say this; it’s an argument a lot of YT people I know, make, and it’s actually very condescending and haughty. Why have you assumed we are just these super fans who are disowning their morals. It’s a very elitist YT thing I’ve heard (mostly whilst working for Fortune 500 companies). I think, given your points ahead of the MJ one, you should reexamine your language and assumptions around this. I can only speak to the experience of black Britons but, I find this conversation incredibly culturally, and racially loaded; think of MJ as the OJ of music. Xx
Your dad was right
Avaa
Not watched this yet but please god talk about Bourdieu. I have an exam coming up and some Prof wisdom would not go amiss..... AVAA
EDIT: O thank god
No, Billy Joel still sucks.
Guilty pleasure (music): something you know is trash, but you like anyway. Like a sonic Twinkie or Sno Ball. Actual guilt need not be present. See: Riff Raff.
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