The end phone calls are very sad, Joseph sounds like a really nice guy and the fact that we know why his wife isn't answering is scary. It shows us how he can go to being so normal before his wife's death and then his story in FC5 about how his wife's accident and murdering the premature "little pink ball stuffed with tubes" that is his daughter.
Personally I think this whole DLC (from what I've seen in the video, as I don't have either FCND, or the Joseph DLC) is extremely melancholy, and could bring me down to tearing up.
I was thinking that myself. Grief can make people do unusual things, and I imagine losing your wife who, by the sounds of the voicemails, he loved very much, and it not being certain his daughter was going to survive probably just snapped something in him.
Even the Joker is a tragic character, in the origins that I like the most, he was a soon to be father with a wife, he failed as a comedian but really needed money but he backed out of becoming a criminal but then he found out his pregnant wife died in a car crash so he went to rob ace chemicals and Batman came to stop him, the man who would become the Joker got scared and tripped into the vat of chemicals, ALL of this happened in literally ONE day. So much happened to him in one day and then he saw himself in the reflection, his skin bleached from the chemicals, having lost his wife and unborn child, it drove him mad. Joker is evil and so are these villains but they are tragic
@@blakethesnek1 I hated the man at first too, but then New Dawn happened and my hatred turned into basically pity for him and seeing this dlc, just made the pity turn to actually feeling sorry for him
That’s kind of what sets these three apart from Anton these guys came from nothing went through a tragedy and dealt with that negatively and proved through atrocious means that they’re people to be reckoned with not Castillo That man had every chance to move away from his mother’s teachings after his father’s death but he was too weak to admit it was wrong and he held onto it
They were all tortured by something different. John by his "urges" (needing to stab or cut people) Jacob by his PTSD and needing a purpose Faith by her addiction and her history of abuse Even Joseph by the voices he hears
First of all was their parents. An abusive father and an empty shell of a mother who also may have been a victim. Joseph saw more and more sickness of the world as he wandered around looking for his brothers, pretty much being homeless most of the time and unable to keep a job because people kept firing him whenever he mentioned having a voice in his head. He also saw many other people suffering among other things. John was adopted into an even more abusive household that was horribly obsessed with confessing sins even when he barely did anything. Jacob ofc is a veteran with PTSD. Edit: Forgot to mention, Jacob was homeless for a little while too before John and Joseph found him again.
Joseph is the most lost of them all. Pagan was comedic and so was vaas. It was their personalities. Joseph’s trauma has rid him of his happiness. The only time he’s joked was talking to his wife. And that was the last time the “good” Joseph existed. The Joseph who followed god and not his own delusions
As someone who’s infatuated with far cry 5, this dlc was honestly a dream come true. I’m beyond satisfied with how they portrayed Joseph and his siblings. The dlcs really are the best part of this game.
Only things I didn’t necessarily like were that they didn’t bring back the voice actors for Joseph’s siblings + I would’ve liked to see more Visions mainly centered around how the siblings interacted with each other (since we only ever see them interact with Joseph only).
Or maybe due to his childhood trauma and his need to protect those he loved caused him to hear voices that feed into his need to be the saviour the dlc is him finally seeing the voice as it truly is his own insanity and selfishness this is him trying to fight that side of himself the evil within himself
I would agree, but this can't just be his own head. In New Dawn, the apple gives you powers as well. Joseph tells you about the apple, you eat it, and you become super strong. You take a shotgun to the chest, fall a story and still are able to drag your friend all the way home. Whether it's actually god, I don't know, but something is definitely in his head telling him stuff.
@@StormbowSquid The voice in his head is the Devil, actually, Joseph is one of the "horsemen", just showing the way to the antichrist.. God has nothing to do with that, he murdered, he used violence, he put himself in the scriptures like he was the one in there... This has nothing to do with God, only about a man dragged to his crazy mind.
11:00 really hits hard. It's a perfect depiction of what depression, PTSD and other mental problems feel like. It's also very crucial for understanding Jacobs character.
@@wintersoldier164 as he saw it, but truly when you watch the dlc and learn more about him, kinda feel bad for him, and you can clearly see he wants to redeem himself after what he has done.
What about the guy getting his eyes gauged out in the intro video to 5? Joseph was a monster lol. He let his cult plunder, pillage, probably rape countless people, forcefully indoctrinated people through brainwashing, or with drugs, etc. Yet he talks about how he doesn’t have any sins lol, hypocrite if you ask me. Still a dark, well written character though like you said, even if he went about preparations the absolutely terrifying wrong ways.
Damn...jacob hits way too close to home Trying to distract himself from the horrors of Josephs work He was scared, depressed and trying to use the music box to try and make him feel better. When he broke down i had instabt flash backs to my own experience. Crying and holding a knife to my chest. Ready to see whats on the other side, but my brother. He snached the knife as i was about to stab myself and we.....cried...we cried for hours. For who ever is reading this please. Please stay strong. People are out there who will help you
Everything about Jacob's story gets me, man. What I hate about that scene though is that Joseph turns it into something about himself straight away. He just witnessed his own brother at his lowest point, ready to die, and he's immediately like "wow you're so ungrateful for me and everything I've done for you." Like, bro, Jacob needs love right now, not manipulation. Hate that so much
Honestly, I hated the way that he was portrayed here. He goes from being a completely unstoppable, nigh invulnerable badass force of nature in Far Cry 5 to this. This isn't Jacob Seed as far as I'm concerned.
I hope you are doing better. Once at lowest point, i had a razer blade in my head with deep, thoughts about doing it, images of me just sitting in my blood, and what stopped is that, i lost my father due to heart failure, and my mom was on even lower point then me, and i thought that i had to stay for her, and for everyone around i knew.
Honestly, this was really good all around. Setting, acting and even the representation of how everything around Joseph fell apart. Only thing I'm left wondering is that if this is in his between Far Cry 5 and New Dawn or after New Dawn. Also extra confused because in Far Cry 6 it doesn't seems like the nuclear wat happened at all and the Pagan DLC adds to the confusion because contradicts the news broadcasting in Far Cry 5 about world wide conflict. DLCs themselves were fine but leave a lot of questions and doubts. Anyway, that final message about Faith left me chilling since you can sense this was of the final straws to turn Joseph unhinged.
The far cry games have always been very loosely connected. But if they are all in the same universe I think 6 would have to take place either durring or before the events of 5. And this dlc takes place in between 5 and dawn while Joseph is still in the bunker since he's still trying to figure out what to do with the deputy and doesn't know who Ethan is
@@MEH-tv7re The deal is that the whole DLC functions as visions. Like, Joseph seeing the future given he is surprised of seeing himself accepting the Deputy as his Judge or what would have happened if his family survived. All around, is messy in the order or what to consider as canon from here.
@@samuelantoniocastillomeza5034, I mean this one at least feels like it could be canon. The other 2 DLCs were just non sensecal, but this one feels believable since it has an exact time of when it's happening and the explanation of it being a vision makes sense since he's already been given visions and was shown to not be completely crazy by the end of 5.
@@MEH-tv7re Still not seeing where would fit in the time. I'll just wait until more information releases. But definetly strange. We know Eden's Gate influence was even into Yara, Bliss and all. Boomer appears as an amigo. So it's a mix of plenty of things. I dare to even say it's the delirium of a defetaed Joseph Seed after the fight at the compound. Not sure being honest. Hehe
The one key thing in making a good villain is if they make you question if they really are the villain and how they can relate to you and these DLCs really show that (especially Joseph’s). A rare win for Ubisoft.
he is unmistakably the villain though, his actions led to the deaths of innumerable innocent people and animals, heavy pollution, kidnapping, torture, brainwashing, etc. he himself outright kills Dutch and his own baby, doesn't matter if he has a sad backstory or guilt, he is a bad person and he is the bad guy.
I like how Joseph is somewhat in his own right because he thought he was doing the right thing only to end up his family dead his whispers from god doubted and everybody except himself dead like he was not he wanted to kill the deputy but then Joseph would have lost the little strip of faith he still has and unfortunately he did this all with thinking he was the listener of god and thought himself a god according to the voice he keeps on hearing
and in the ending where we hear that God's voice is Joseph, just tell's that he is indeed his own god, and only his, thats why John questioned why only Joseph can hear the God
Joseph is such an underrated villain, I love how many layers there are to his character and his voice actor is phenomenal regardless of people’s opinions on the story which i personally enjoyed
Everything in this DLC about Faith Is really disturbing, dark and tragic... Truly a tragic character purely caught up in bad destiny at a young age, manipulated into extreme ideologies and then basically just exploited in all kinds of ways. She was basically "helped" from her current drug addiction with the help of hooking her onto another. I mean she was already in far cry 5 aswell, and most of all these things were already greatly hinted and implied but here in this DLC it is a lot more explicitly stated especially with all the hints of sexual and psychological abuse aswell...
I feel like the letters would've been nice to see/read (like in the other playthroughs), and it'd be good to know if there was a different ending if you max out all the waves. But it is interesting how the various dlc's set up the scenario: Insanity- Vaas Externalizes the citra problems with citra, but doesn't try to project the vaas-based issues onto something else, and in fact often switches places to live someone elses's experience. Which is actually pretty empathic for. you know, a guy who has a 50/50 chance of torturing you to death. Control- Pagan Min externalizes *everything*. he can't bear to hear the truth, his daughter and wife sounds like how the father character from "Devotion" writes his saccharine-perfect family, and he's horrified when reality bubbles up through the cracks. He's fighting to maintain his delusion that he's justified in his actions, even as part of him is aware that the entire idea is laughable. Collapse- Is the reverse of Control, Joseph internalizes all of the events and flagellates himself about them, while the external force is partially the truth about how tenuous his control was, and a mental force of self defense trying to justify everything he has or will do. This is why it feels so weird that both endings are him accepting The Voice's control. Like if anything it matches up to his future game appearances if he does throw off the Voice. But for real though, where's my Anton dlc
Choosing to leave him could hypothetically lead to his death. I always thought about what Joseph would do after leaving him. Would he take his own life? Or perhaps he found a way to move on in the world, despite there not being much of it left. It’s a very open-ended conclusion
Another possibility is that sparing him could have led to his mind deteriorating, hence all the visions we play through, and the ending to the DLC could refer to him not being able to take it any more and eventually taking his own life
No bullet wound so I’d say it can still go either way. Odds are if you leave him he’ll die soon after anyways because I don’t think he has the will to survive anymore by that point.
just saw this after I complained about the shallowness of the endings and Jacob Seed in another video, this feels like it fleshes out Seed in a way that brings real closure to the far cry 5 story
@@Halcyon05 Yeah, but playing as him, Idk how they would have us see Yara from his mind and not to mention, I just don’t know if Ubi will even do that since Anton is already the main bad guy in the game story
I like that the Collapse focuses on how Joseph's siblings would have never been able to make it in a bunker for seven to ten years. They didn't have the resolve. Everything leading up to the collapse would have changed them enough to make it hard for them to survive.
Got to say that I watched this solely to find out how they wrap up the DLC and to see the Jacob Seed part. My man the ultra-Darwinist was indeed tormented by the war and having to eat his buddy. You don't see any of that in Far Cry 5. Poor Lucifer... :(
seriously. jacob is my absolute favorite. seeing him soft-ish and relatable was amazing. also I may or may not have binged all of Supernatural after playing fc5 and hearing his voice. oof.
47:14 is so heartbreaking 🥺 Joseph actually kind of reminds me of Handsome Jack from Borderlands a bit in some aspects, including the losing his family part and going wacko over it, and his overall personality in some ways too 👀
Vaas finds redemption and healing from his madness and sins Pagan...not so much but that's okay Joseph sort of I mean the voice goes between being maybe Gods to being his own evil trying to make sense of everything. It's back and forth and wonderfully subtle. You gotta pay attention.
Im pretty sure he is in hell, at the end he always choses to follow the voice but the start is him having dubts, he cant move foward on account of beeing dead so i think this is torture, an endless cicle of dubt, guilt and denial
Joseph doesn’t find redemption, but he acknowledges his sins, accepts the good and bad he’s done, and tries to atone for them wherever he can. He finally doubts the voice(s) he hears, and is no longer influenced by them; he is able to forge a path based on free will. Even if he’s in the afterlife.
Watching this, not having played it, it's a shame that the family (other than Joseph) all had different voice actors for their roles rather than using the original cast. John's new VA is hard to notice, Jacob's is noticably different and Faith sounds the same to me. It doesn't ruin the story one bit and I'm glad this DLC was created, I can't wait to play it on my own.
Joseph to the voice. “No I was never a messiah I was never a savior I was a harbinger of pain and destruction that was all a vision and never happened I see now this is my punishment I thought the deputy was my enemy but in reality he saw what I could not. And why am I awaken from this vision and I end up locked in a cell for the rest of my life that’s so be it I deserve it.”
Me After seeing this after everything in farcry 5 and new dawn just wanting him to pay: oh Poor Joseph It also make sense why Joseph did not want Ethan to eat one of those apples and tried to prevent him from trying get one cause of this vision he had And to also see that shooting him was canon
Don’t. The dlcs might be good, but the main game is so lackluster. I believe the devs knew the main game wouldn’t work out, so they poured their heart on the DLC.
Joseph's Failures were most in part due to his selfishness and unwillingness to listen to his own flesh and blood. He had an extremely strong desire to control people, mainly because he couldn't control his loss over his first faith and his abuse at the hands of his father, so he went off the deep end and ended up killing hundreds of people. It was his greed, his anger, his selfishness that made him his own worst enemy in the end.
We, the protagonists, are always the true enemies and villains. We are the ones who destroy and kill without thinking, the ones who end up regretting it because the "villains" of the story always end up having better and nobler causes than ours... when you think about their motivations coldly. You just have to put yourself in the shoes of Vaas, Pagan Min, Joseph Seed, and Antón Castillo, and then you understand everything. Seeing our monstrous actions from their perspective... and they try to stop us because they would save more lives than we take. That's why I love Far Cry; we are never the heroes.
Disorder. When he lost his wife, and was left with an infant that: A. He wasn’t sure would survive. B. He’d have to somehow care for as a single parent that’s struggling. So he snapped, and ended up being influenced by his disorder and believed it to be the “Voice of God.”
Every person has their breaking point. When they break, they take everything they love with them. Be the fluid willow, that bends in the storm while the powerful oak breaks and falls. That's what this DLC taught me.
I honestly thought, that the Vaas DLC was the worst of them all. I even go that far to say, that Vaas and FC3 was way to overrated and made by ubisoft in the right time. I just cant believe that FC5 was seen as a weak "UBISOFT OPEN WORLD CLONE", when it was way deeper then any FC to date. Guess that was the problem, too many Streamer minded Children.
I know I’m late to replying to this but you are totally right, FC5 is one of my personal top 5 games. It was the only game I know of that genuinely made an impact on my whole life. The story of Jacob hit way too close to home with me, Joseph’s side of the story made an actual point and I can’t believe people don’t see the game for the masterpiece that it is. That’s my rant
In far cry 5 I found an idol Jesus on a cross dumped inside a small shed so basically whatever cult dis is think Jesus isn’t the real god I swear Ive searched everywhere on internet found none of that but I found it in the game myself A literal idol of Jesus
This dlc is literally joseph fighting the demons on his head one last time trying to undo all the destruction his delusional brainwashing caused, towards the end he start to stand more and more against the "voice" and regains clarity to hold himself accountable, trying to maintain clarity
When it comes to the nukes, there is Worldwide conflict, but I also believe America was the only place that got hit, the other places, like the Islands in Far Cry 6, were left untouched. At least, that's my Theory
@@shadowofthenamelessking not really in new dawn when you do the exploration missions the entire world got nuked. You leave hope county and you can see destruction in different cities.
I really got confused in the most part but I think Joseph was trying to connect his mistake and understand that God doesn't want this bloodshed for Joseph really tried walking away from the path of God. In sense you feel bad for Joseph as his life kinda peaks around the corner there. He had a son who died when it was a baby and... he had a family who protected each other. Joseph had a lot of trauma in life which created the thought of him acting as God. Don't believe me? Hear The Voice's Voice... that sounds kinda like Joseph a bit if you listen to it a little bit more.
if they had not listen to Joseph then eden's gate and the cult would only have had Joesph but to be fair all 3 of them where having mental brake downs the worst one i saw was Jacob he did to tours of the army and he comes back with ptsd
honestly I think Jacob tried to yk and then killed joseph because he already had ptsd and seeing the world end would scar anybody and it would be even worse for people like jacob
I feel like the voice is Joseph's own manifestation of his Greed and ignorance to the people that he hurt, like it's his own rationalization for his fucked up actions.
I honestly fully expected John Seed to be the one struggling with hardcore depression and guilt problems. Jacob struck me as a man whose war trauma carried over to Montana, so I had figured he was still channeling that into the project. Nah, turns out he was bottling it up the entire time.
@@Averageman902 ~The characters and story in FC5 literally treated you like a male protagonist throughout the whole game regardless of whether or not you chose a female one.
@@Averageman902 ~When I played as a female, some of the NPCs straight up addressed me as sir, man or bro. Not only that, the whole story felt more adapted to what a male protagonist would go through. What about all those stunts they make you do in game? A skinny woman carrying the body of grown ass men and even heavily armored enemies? Yeah right.
What's crazy about this dlc is that it confirms Joseph was indeed perceiving God, or someone pretending to be God. He really did see visions, he saw the collapse, the future, his son, the outcome, the apple tree, everything. He actually waited for Captain to come, none of it was a lie. Regardless of the timeline, New Dawn, FC6, Joseph did receive messages from a higher being. Even at the end of New Dawn there's a White Dove witnessing the events unfolding, another test for Joseph. Now I'm wondering if The Voice was God or the Devil, or both, both pulling Joseph to each side. and if FC5's ending and Joseph Seed's portions of New Dawn is Far Cry's 'take' on Revelations. Joseph is such a fascinating character, I wish they would keep exploring this character in a sequel, perhaps a new test in the New World after New Dawn, or a new struggle post FC6's timeline, or FC5 and New Dawn dived deeper and explored more of his character...I'm always hoping for new lore about Joseph/FC5, i'll take what I can get.
I was raised Catholic I’m pretty sure this is what God was saying to Joseph. “ your family had to die because you were using my name as an excuse to take out your frustrations on society.”
That's the thing, it wasn't God saying anything to Joseph lol, it was Josephs own mind, or actually satan more specifically, which deceived him and led him to do all of his shenanigans.
@@samirnassif I hear from Him all the time and am fully competent and of sound mind. Not only that, many that I know including many who bear witness throughout history have done the same. In fact, there are ways to detect authenticity though as an unbeliever you would not be able to tell as easily because you would have to know scripture to tell as well as having divine discernment which is only granted from above. Just because you haven't heard Him speak to you does not mean that He doesn't exist or speak to others.
@@skyofstorms Really? You hear from him? Could you record his voice and show someone else? So that you can tell apart God's voice from the one of you own mind?
overdoes the bliss, claim that u saw the real lord and heard him, let everyone die, make the world collapse, create your very own "New Eden" after the collapse , overdoes the bliss again, let ur son eat a bliss apple, let everyone die, overdoes the bliss again, and u'll have a DLC XD
I really, *really* wished we could’ve gotten the original voice actors for the Seed siblings, although the replacements didn’t do a bad job. It just didn’t feel as impactful. Other than that…this was literally the only reason I bought Far Cry 6, and I wasn’t disappointed.
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That bit at the end with Joseph acting like a normal father (or father-to-be) is unsettling for some reason and is sad when you know what happens next
It really give me creepy vibes for some reason
Wife goes x_x
He also killed teh child
My friends sister got shot in the head by her ex and this last call ending is pure horror
@@notreal5513 i don't even know how to respond to this
The end phone calls are very sad, Joseph sounds like a really nice guy and the fact that we know why his wife isn't answering is scary. It shows us how he can go to being so normal before his wife's death and then his story in FC5 about how his wife's accident and murdering the premature "little pink ball stuffed with tubes" that is his daughter.
Personally I think this whole DLC (from what I've seen in the video, as I don't have either FCND, or the Joseph DLC) is extremely melancholy, and could bring me down to tearing up.
I was thinking that myself. Grief can make people do unusual things, and I imagine losing your wife who, by the sounds of the voicemails, he loved very much, and it not being certain his daughter was going to survive probably just snapped something in him.
@@CrackaPackify he probably whent insain in the end and that's what the voice is that he here's in his head is just him loseing it
This dlc really puts the villans' lives into perspective. Makes you really THINK about their lives. And damn does it hurt..
Even the Joker is a tragic character, in the origins that I like the most, he was a soon to be father with a wife, he failed as a comedian but really needed money but he backed out of becoming a criminal but then he found out his pregnant wife died in a car crash so he went to rob ace chemicals and Batman came to stop him, the man who would become the Joker got scared and tripped into the vat of chemicals, ALL of this happened in literally ONE day.
So much happened to him in one day and then he saw himself in the reflection, his skin bleached from the chemicals, having lost his wife and unborn child, it drove him mad.
Joker is evil and so are these villains but they are tragic
When I played through Far cry 5, I honestly hated Joseph Seed, More than any other video game antagonist at that point, but Now I just feel bad.
@@blakethesnek1 I hated the man at first too, but then New Dawn happened and my hatred turned into basically pity for him and seeing this dlc, just made the pity turn to actually feeling sorry for him
That’s kind of what sets these three apart from Anton these guys came from nothing went through a tragedy and dealt with that negatively and proved through atrocious means that they’re people to be reckoned with not Castillo That man had every chance to move away from his mother’s teachings after his father’s death but he was too weak to admit it was wrong and he held onto it
@@thedarkapex5327 that explains what he did to superman in injustice
They were all tortured by something different.
John by his "urges" (needing to stab or cut people)
Jacob by his PTSD and needing a purpose
Faith by her addiction and her history of abuse
Even Joseph by the voices he hears
Deep
As a Jacob seed simp and lover 😭❤️
i felt bad for him having PTSD 11:27
First of all was their parents. An abusive father and an empty shell of a mother who also may have been a victim.
Joseph saw more and more sickness of the world as he wandered around looking for his brothers, pretty much being homeless most of the time and unable to keep a job because people kept firing him whenever he mentioned having a voice in his head. He also saw many other people suffering among other things.
John was adopted into an even more abusive household that was horribly obsessed with confessing sins even when he barely did anything.
Jacob ofc is a veteran with PTSD.
Edit: Forgot to mention, Jacob was homeless for a little while too before John and Joseph found him again.
This is insane.
Vaas and Pagan Mins DLC were quite comedic at times.. But Josephs DLC is just SUPER SERIOUS
well far cry 5 is very "dark".
@@newfacepaula yeah that i was going to say
Joseph is the most lost of them all. Pagan was comedic and so was vaas. It was their personalities. Joseph’s trauma has rid him of his happiness. The only time he’s joked was talking to his wife. And that was the last time the “good” Joseph existed. The Joseph who followed god and not his own delusions
@@newfacepaula It’s almost uncanny how Far Cry 5 can feel so lighthearted yet still feel so dark.
@@azazelsvideos8298 the most terrifying part of farcry 5 is the ambience. One time I heard the cult burning Someone alive in the background.
As someone who’s infatuated with far cry 5, this dlc was honestly a dream come true. I’m beyond satisfied with how they portrayed Joseph and his siblings. The dlcs really are the best part of this game.
Same bro it's one of my favoruite games
I loved Far Cry 5 too.
is it worth buying far cry 6 for the dlc?
@@JR-xt4nk Yes.
Only things I didn’t necessarily like were that they didn’t bring back the voice actors for Joseph’s siblings + I would’ve liked to see more Visions mainly centered around how the siblings interacted with each other (since we only ever see them interact with Joseph only).
I love how Gods voice is Joseph’s. Really adds to the question if he ever actually talked to God, just believed he did or just said he did.
Or maybe due to his childhood trauma and his need to protect those he loved caused him to hear voices that feed into his need to be the saviour the dlc is him finally seeing the voice as it truly is his own insanity and selfishness this is him trying to fight that side of himself the evil within himself
Well he could have talked to God, since it's ficction. But appearently the game is hinting in the direction of schizophrenia.
I would agree, but this can't just be his own head. In New Dawn, the apple gives you powers as well. Joseph tells you about the apple, you eat it, and you become super strong. You take a shotgun to the chest, fall a story and still are able to drag your friend all the way home. Whether it's actually god, I don't know, but something is definitely in his head telling him stuff.
@@StormbowSquid honestly I think the apple is just some super drug that Joseph convinced himself was a gift from God
@@StormbowSquid The voice in his head is the Devil, actually, Joseph is one of the "horsemen", just showing the way to the antichrist.. God has nothing to do with that, he murdered, he used violence, he put himself in the scriptures like he was the one in there... This has nothing to do with God, only about a man dragged to his crazy mind.
Damn Jacob looks like he never forgave him self for what happened to Miller
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Only you and you alone can make me feel this way
11:00 really hits hard. It's a perfect depiction of what depression, PTSD and other mental problems feel like. It's also very crucial for understanding Jacobs character.
Seeing Jacob like that is disturbing, he was so confident in FC5. He was hiding his true self very well.
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Joseph always was my favorite villain, from all the villains i feel he's the one who didnt want to kill anyone, but he will do what he must
His daughter ? what she do
@@praisethesun.praisedeussol6051 a test from god
@@wintersoldier164 as he saw it, but truly when you watch the dlc and learn more about him, kinda feel bad for him, and you can clearly see he wants to redeem himself after what he has done.
Like Thanos 😅
What about the guy getting his eyes gauged out in the intro video to 5? Joseph was a monster lol. He let his cult plunder, pillage, probably rape countless people, forcefully indoctrinated people through brainwashing, or with drugs, etc. Yet he talks about how he doesn’t have any sins lol, hypocrite if you ask me. Still a dark, well written character though like you said, even if he went about preparations the absolutely terrifying wrong ways.
Damn...jacob hits way too close to home
Trying to distract himself from the horrors of Josephs work
He was scared, depressed and trying to use the music box to try and make him feel better. When he broke down i had instabt flash backs to my own experience. Crying and holding a knife to my chest. Ready to see whats on the other side, but my brother. He snached the knife as i was about to stab myself and we.....cried...we cried for hours. For who ever is reading this please. Please stay strong. People are out there who will help you
Everything about Jacob's story gets me, man. What I hate about that scene though is that Joseph turns it into something about himself straight away. He just witnessed his own brother at his lowest point, ready to die, and he's immediately like "wow you're so ungrateful for me and everything I've done for you." Like, bro, Jacob needs love right now, not manipulation. Hate that so much
Oh my god. Please be safe ! We are with you
Honestly, I hated the way that he was portrayed here. He goes from being a completely unstoppable, nigh invulnerable badass force of nature in Far Cry 5 to this.
This isn't Jacob Seed as far as I'm concerned.
I hope you are doing better. Once at lowest point, i had a razer blade in my head with deep, thoughts about doing it, images of me just sitting in my blood, and what stopped is that, i lost my father due to heart failure, and my mom was on even lower point then me, and i thought that i had to stay for her, and for everyone around i knew.
When I saw that I thought he was distracting himself from what he did to his fellow soldier
It actually hurt to watch what Jacob had become, he got to the point where even “Onlyyy youuuu!” Didn’t help.
I'm glad Ubisoft realized the villains were the best parts of the game so you can now experience everything from their perspective.
Honestly, this was really good all around. Setting, acting and even the representation of how everything around Joseph fell apart. Only thing I'm left wondering is that if this is in his between Far Cry 5 and New Dawn or after New Dawn. Also extra confused because in Far Cry 6 it doesn't seems like the nuclear wat happened at all and the Pagan DLC adds to the confusion because contradicts the news broadcasting in Far Cry 5 about world wide conflict. DLCs themselves were fine but leave a lot of questions and doubts. Anyway, that final message about Faith left me chilling since you can sense this was of the final straws to turn Joseph unhinged.
The far cry games have always been very loosely connected. But if they are all in the same universe I think 6 would have to take place either durring or before the events of 5. And this dlc takes place in between 5 and dawn while Joseph is still in the bunker since he's still trying to figure out what to do with the deputy and doesn't know who Ethan is
@@MEH-tv7re The deal is that the whole DLC functions as visions. Like, Joseph seeing the future given he is surprised of seeing himself accepting the Deputy as his Judge or what would have happened if his family survived. All around, is messy in the order or what to consider as canon from here.
@@samuelantoniocastillomeza5034, I mean this one at least feels like it could be canon. The other 2 DLCs were just non sensecal, but this one feels believable since it has an exact time of when it's happening and the explanation of it being a vision makes sense since he's already been given visions and was shown to not be completely crazy by the end of 5.
@@MEH-tv7re Still not seeing where would fit in the time. I'll just wait until more information releases. But definetly strange. We know Eden's Gate influence was even into Yara, Bliss and all. Boomer appears as an amigo. So it's a mix of plenty of things. I dare to even say it's the delirium of a defetaed Joseph Seed after the fight at the compound. Not sure being honest. Hehe
New Dawn is not Canon, 6 takes place after 5. Im assuming the walk away ending
The one key thing in making a good villain is if they make you question if they really are the villain and how they can relate to you and these DLCs really show that (especially Joseph’s). A rare win for Ubisoft.
Not really, you could make a villain which is far evil and far from relatable but still end up as a good villain.
Like angle eyes and palpatine
he is unmistakably the villain though, his actions led to the deaths of innumerable innocent people and animals, heavy pollution, kidnapping, torture, brainwashing, etc. he himself outright kills Dutch and his own baby, doesn't matter if he has a sad backstory or guilt, he is a bad person and he is the bad guy.
Faith's singing is still beautifully haunting
Agreed
Yes
that was the song she sang before you kill her in fc5,right?
@@quepro1237 yea when she's walking with the sheriff before the fight starts
It's strange hearing joseph at the end talking like normal and not in the crazy high priest way he talks throughout the games
I like how Joseph is somewhat in his own right because he thought he was doing the right thing only to end up his family dead his whispers from god doubted and everybody except himself dead like he was not he wanted to kill the deputy but then Joseph would have lost the little strip of faith he still has and unfortunately he did this all with thinking he was the listener of god and thought himself a god according to the voice he keeps on hearing
and in the ending where we hear that God's voice is Joseph, just tell's that he is indeed his own god, and only his, thats why John questioned why only Joseph can hear the God
Heh....God.....
Joseph is such an underrated villain, I love how many layers there are to his character and his voice actor is phenomenal regardless of people’s opinions on the story which i personally enjoyed
The vision of Faith is just sad and disturbing
Everything in this DLC about Faith Is really disturbing, dark and tragic...
Truly a tragic character purely caught up in bad destiny at a young age, manipulated into extreme ideologies and then basically just exploited in all kinds of ways.
She was basically "helped" from her current drug addiction with the help of hooking her onto another.
I mean she was already in far cry 5 aswell, and most of all these things were already greatly hinted and implied but here in this DLC it is a lot more explicitly stated especially with all the hints of sexual and psychological abuse aswell...
@@mightychosen2587 so you are saying that Joseph abused her sexualy ?
16:23 you can actually see the deputies face
Don’t get too excited. It believe it’s just Joesph’s face reused
I feel like the letters would've been nice to see/read (like in the other playthroughs), and it'd be good to know if there was a different ending if you max out all the waves. But it is interesting how the various dlc's set up the scenario:
Insanity- Vaas Externalizes the citra problems with citra, but doesn't try to project the vaas-based issues onto something else, and in fact often switches places to live someone elses's experience. Which is actually pretty empathic for. you know, a guy who has a 50/50 chance of torturing you to death.
Control- Pagan Min externalizes *everything*. he can't bear to hear the truth, his daughter and wife sounds like how the father character from "Devotion" writes his saccharine-perfect family, and he's horrified when reality bubbles up through the cracks. He's fighting to maintain his delusion that he's justified in his actions, even as part of him is aware that the entire idea is laughable.
Collapse- Is the reverse of Control, Joseph internalizes all of the events and flagellates himself about them, while the external force is partially the truth about how tenuous his control was, and a mental force of self defense trying to justify everything he has or will do. This is why it feels so weird that both endings are him accepting The Voice's control. Like if anything it matches up to his future game appearances if he does throw off the Voice.
But for real though, where's my Anton dlc
Anton and Hoyt dlc would be very cool
Fuck it, Far Cry: No Way Home
@Lord_GhostBoner you mean "a far cry from home"?
@@basilmemories hmmm
We'll have to see if Far Cry 7 has an Anton DLC
looks like his canon fate in New Dawn is killing him rather than sparing him.
Choosing to leave him could hypothetically lead to his death. I always thought about what Joseph would do after leaving him. Would he take his own life? Or perhaps he found a way to move on in the world, despite there not being much of it left. It’s a very open-ended conclusion
Another possibility is that sparing him could have led to his mind deteriorating, hence all the visions we play through, and the ending to the DLC could refer to him not being able to take it any more and eventually taking his own life
No bullet wound so I’d say it can still go either way. Odds are if you leave him he’ll die soon after anyways because I don’t think he has the will to survive anymore by that point.
He does not deserve the mercy of Death
just saw this after I complained about the shallowness of the endings and Jacob Seed in another video, this feels like it fleshes out Seed in a way that brings real closure to the far cry 5 story
FINALLY I’VE BEEN LOOKING FOR THIS THANK YOU MY GUY
We gamers now need a Jackal(The Antagonist of Far cry 2) DLC
so is Anton.
@@Halcyon05 Yeah, but playing as him, Idk how they would have us see Yara from his mind and not to mention, I just don’t know if Ubi will even do that since Anton is already the main bad guy in the game story
Aka the jackal the main character from far cry 1 Carver
I want to see the jackal dlc too
This DLC really makes you FEEL like Joseph Seed
I like that the Collapse focuses on how Joseph's siblings would have never been able to make it in a bunker for seven to ten years. They didn't have the resolve. Everything leading up to the collapse would have changed them enough to make it hard for them to survive.
These dlcs really put a whole new perspective on the villains
I believe this dlc is what was mentioned in new dawn when joseph said he ate the apple and had to cleanse his soul
Good headcanon
Got to say that I watched this solely to find out how they wrap up the DLC and to see the Jacob Seed part.
My man the ultra-Darwinist was indeed tormented by the war and having to eat his buddy. You don't see any of that in Far Cry 5.
Poor Lucifer... :(
seriously. jacob is my absolute favorite. seeing him soft-ish and relatable was amazing.
also I may or may not have binged all of Supernatural after playing fc5 and hearing his voice. oof.
We need a jacob seed DLC
@@madhattergaming6473 yes
@@mightymoose8757 lol
(sees and hears Jacob as a shriveled, weak mess)
Must... *CULL...* *HEEEEERRRRRD!!!*
Damn. This is definitely my favorite DLC
I wont lie this dlc is the best one for me.
47:14 is so heartbreaking 🥺
Joseph actually kind of reminds me of Handsome Jack from Borderlands a bit in some aspects, including the losing his family part and going wacko over it, and his overall personality in some ways too 👀
Angel Right She killed herself
Jesus, the end phone calls are really depressing when you know what happened to his wife…
24:07 that angel really like "Suprise mfk"
😂😂😂😂
Vaas finds redemption and healing from his madness and sins
Pagan...not so much but that's okay
Joseph sort of I mean the voice goes between being maybe Gods to being his own evil trying to make sense of everything. It's back and forth and wonderfully subtle. You gotta pay attention.
Im pretty sure he is in hell, at the end he always choses to follow the voice but the start is him having dubts, he cant move foward on account of beeing dead so i think this is torture, an endless cicle of dubt, guilt and denial
Joseph doesn’t find redemption, but he acknowledges his sins, accepts the good and bad he’s done, and tries to atone for them wherever he can. He finally doubts the voice(s) he hears, and is no longer influenced by them; he is able to forge a path based on free will. Even if he’s in the afterlife.
Watching this, not having played it, it's a shame that the family (other than Joseph) all had different voice actors for their roles rather than using the original cast. John's new VA is hard to notice, Jacob's is noticably different and Faith sounds the same to me. It doesn't ruin the story one bit and I'm glad this DLC was created, I can't wait to play it on my own.
Joseph to the voice.
“No I was never a messiah I was never a savior I was a harbinger of pain and destruction that was all a vision and never happened I see now this is my punishment I thought the deputy was my enemy but in reality he saw what I could not. And why am I awaken from this vision and I end up locked in a cell for the rest of my life that’s so be it I deserve it.”
Ok that part showing the Deputy from Far Cry 5 being the judge in New Dawn got me
19:22
It hits so f hard
Me After seeing this after everything in farcry 5 and new dawn just wanting him to pay: oh Poor Joseph
It also make sense why Joseph did not want Ethan to eat one of those apples and tried to prevent him from trying get one cause of this vision he had
And to also see that shooting him was canon
You know are you sure Joseph just isn’t in hell and this is what Lucifer is putting him through as punishment is it sure looks that way to me
I mean his brother Jacob is Lucifer in a different universe😂
@@ChopJr_how
@@Cano-62 Jacob is played by Mark Pellegrino, The actor that played Lucifer in Supernatural for over 10 seasons
With how Jacob's acting, you'd think he got sent to Fort Polk.
The only scenario where Joseph would not be so screwed is the theory that the whole Resist ending in FC 5 was a bliss-induced hallucination!
A DLC where you can play as Joseph Seed? Holy Shit, I want Far Cry 6 Now.
Don’t. The dlcs might be good, but the main game is so lackluster. I believe the devs knew the main game wouldn’t work out, so they poured their heart on the DLC.
Joseph's Failures were most in part due to his selfishness and unwillingness to listen to his own flesh and blood.
He had an extremely strong desire to control people, mainly because he couldn't control his loss over his first faith and his abuse at the hands of his father, so he went off the deep end and ended up killing hundreds of people.
It was his greed, his anger, his selfishness that made him his own worst enemy in the end.
We, the protagonists, are always the true enemies and villains. We are the ones who destroy and kill without thinking, the ones who end up regretting it because the "villains" of the story always end up having better and nobler causes than ours... when you think about their motivations coldly. You just have to put yourself in the shoes of Vaas, Pagan Min, Joseph Seed, and Antón Castillo, and then you understand everything. Seeing our monstrous actions from their perspective... and they try to stop us because they would save more lives than we take. That's why I love Far Cry; we are never the heroes.
Fax to the core. People who played 5 don’t understand this. They are blind but we are found
I’d never thought I’d cry for a far cry villain but goddamn this is tragic😭🥺😭
10:48 hits a bit too close to home
So, was Joseph Seed really influenced by the "Voice of God" or was he suffering from a severe personality disorder due to his tragic past?
Disorder. When he lost his wife, and was left with an infant that:
A. He wasn’t sure would survive.
B. He’d have to somehow care for as a single parent that’s struggling.
So he snapped, and ended up being influenced by his disorder and believed it to be the “Voice of God.”
Every person has their breaking point. When they break, they take everything they love with them.
Be the fluid willow, that bends in the storm while the powerful oak breaks and falls. That's what this DLC taught me.
16:23 There's The Deputy aka us from far cry 5 and that's how we turned into the Judge
I honestly thought, that the Vaas DLC was the worst of them all. I even go that far to say, that Vaas and FC3 was way to overrated and made by ubisoft in the right time. I just cant believe that FC5 was seen as a weak "UBISOFT OPEN WORLD CLONE", when it was way deeper then any FC to date. Guess that was the problem, too many Streamer minded Children.
Yeah, I dont know why people love vaas so much. He's just a generic insane character that does "random" things.
I know I’m late to replying to this but you are totally right, FC5 is one of my personal top 5 games. It was the only game I know of that genuinely made an impact on my whole life. The story of Jacob hit way too close to home with me, Joseph’s side of the story made an actual point and I can’t believe people don’t see the game for the masterpiece that it is. That’s my rant
Totally on your side! Thats why i actually liked Josephs DLC. It rounded up the story pretty nicely, even thou it was a grind.
@@monotonecthulhu6709 because at the time it wasn't generic to be crazy
Tbh fc3 dlc with Citron and stuff was good cuz of the ending lol
In far cry 5 I found an idol Jesus on a cross dumped inside a small shed so basically whatever cult dis is think Jesus isn’t the real god
I swear Ive searched everywhere on internet found none of that but I found it in the game myself
A literal idol of Jesus
Yeah I noticed that and for me is why the cult was wrong. They rejected Jesus Christ.
This shows us that Joseph seed was just a troubled man and now i just feel bad😢
This dlc is literally joseph fighting the demons on his head one last time trying to undo all the destruction his delusional brainwashing caused, towards the end he start to stand more and more against the "voice" and regains clarity to hold himself accountable, trying to maintain clarity
At the end when the voice mail , was when the car crash happened
One of the best games I could ever go on 🕊 for the farther 🕊
If u slow the video down u actually get a brief face reveal of the judge when Joseph puts on his mask
Judge is our Deputy from Farcry 5
@@kuriankeralaIndia I know but it's for anyone that wanted gender conformation I guess
@@justamediocreyoutubechanne4172~Then it's a man.
@@MaybeStevehow did u know he identifies as a man
@@Soiehziz ~Identifies?? Shut the hell up
When it comes to the nukes, there is Worldwide conflict, but I also believe America was the only place that got hit, the other places, like the Islands in Far Cry 6, were left untouched.
At least, that's my Theory
Unlikely. In Far Cry 6 you can leave to America as an ending, before the nukes
@@Senor_Flexican didn't far cry 5 took place in 2018 and 6 took place in 2021
not so sure, in the alternative ending Dani goes to Florida and things look normal there
@@Senor_Flexican Only Montana was nuked.
@@shadowofthenamelessking not really in new dawn when you do the exploration missions the entire world got nuked. You leave hope county and you can see destruction in different cities.
I really got confused in the most part but I think Joseph was trying to connect his mistake and understand that God doesn't want this bloodshed for Joseph really tried walking away from the path of God. In sense you feel bad for Joseph as his life kinda peaks around the corner there. He had a son who died when it was a baby and... he had a family who protected each other. Joseph had a lot of trauma in life which created the thought of him acting as God. Don't believe me? Hear The Voice's Voice... that sounds kinda like Joseph a bit if you listen to it a little bit more.
Seeing this side of Joseph made me feel bad (that ooonlly yoooooouuuuuu part had me getting flashbacks)
(The voice) that talks tho Joseph is the deputy how another could be IT'S definitely the Deputy
Hold up. Is the Voice Jason Bright, leader of the Bright Brotherhood, or is that just me?
if they had not listen to Joseph then eden's gate and the cult would only have had Joesph but to be fair all 3 of them where having mental brake downs the worst one i saw was Jacob he did to tours of the army and he comes back with ptsd
This man is a maniac and the leader of a cult, and yet he still cares for the well-being of his brothers, like stopping Jacob from committing suicide.
this hits hard man
Man has something against aiming in on his gun
ngl far cry games has a really weird feeling shooting system it takes awhile to actually get used to it if you played other fps
I love how they almost finally showed rooks actual face
Why are far cry villains drippy?
Anton Castillo
Pagan min
Joseph seed
like goddamn
explain???
@@josiahsmith7237 Like their sense of style
Why is it always cool
honestly I think Jacob tried to yk and then killed joseph because he already had ptsd and seeing the world end would scar anybody and it would be even worse for people like jacob
I did not expect this to be "dang, I was really bad, wasn't I" from Joseph at all
I feel like the voice is Joseph's own manifestation of his Greed and ignorance to the people that he hurt, like it's his own rationalization for his fucked up actions.
Is the voice actor of john different? He doesn't sound right to me.
I honestly fully expected John Seed to be the one struggling with hardcore depression and guilt problems. Jacob struck me as a man whose war trauma carried over to Montana, so I had figured he was still channeling that into the project. Nah, turns out he was bottling it up the entire time.
Jacob abit reminds me of the US military veteran that burn his service uniform
~Yoy can kind of see the Deputy's face at 16:23. Makes me think that Far Cry 5 was actually designed with a male protagonist in mind.
I’m guessing that maybe in far cry 6, the dude who made this chose a male character, and because of that, they made the deputy a male. Just a guess.
@@Averageman902 ~The characters and story in FC5 literally treated you like a male protagonist throughout the whole game regardless of whether or not you chose a female one.
@@MaybeSteve how did they “treat you like a male?”
@@MaybeSteve they really don’t, I mean. The enemies just say like ,”I will burn you alive, sinner!” That’s not really treating you like a male.
@@Averageman902 ~When I played as a female, some of the NPCs straight up addressed me as sir, man or bro. Not only that, the whole story felt more adapted to what a male protagonist would go through. What about all those stunts they make you do in game? A skinny woman carrying the body of grown ass men and even heavily armored enemies? Yeah right.
I think we saw the deputies face reveal or am I just over thinking?
From what I gathered:
Deputy:
Male
White/caucasian
Black hair
Cannon clothes:
Rook deputy outfit
“Preferred” weapon:
Bow
Revolver
AR-CL
Shotgun
Bro can someone explain the secret ending it has me very confused lol ??
Dude you are very in luck - I literally JUST made that video ruclips.net/video/NT8VaYFhg9A/видео.html
@@VideoGameSophistry oh alright thanks bro
They’re called evil bad but yet no one never knew their struggles and their stories
That voice Joseph was hearing sounds like the devil
What's crazy about this dlc is that it confirms Joseph was indeed perceiving God, or someone pretending to be God. He really did see visions, he saw the collapse, the future, his son, the outcome, the apple tree, everything. He actually waited for Captain to come, none of it was a lie. Regardless of the timeline, New Dawn, FC6, Joseph did receive messages from a higher being. Even at the end of New Dawn there's a White Dove witnessing the events unfolding, another test for Joseph.
Now I'm wondering if The Voice was God or the Devil, or both, both pulling Joseph to each side. and if FC5's ending and Joseph Seed's portions of New Dawn is Far Cry's 'take' on Revelations.
Joseph is such a fascinating character, I wish they would keep exploring this character in a sequel, perhaps a new test in the New World after New Dawn, or a new struggle post FC6's timeline, or FC5 and New Dawn dived deeper and explored more of his character...I'm always hoping for new lore about Joseph/FC5, i'll take what I can get.
Joseph Seed is the main character of Far Cry 5
The Jacob one was so raw man
Jacob does NOT sound how he did in farcry 5
I’m pretty sure it’s different people
Yeah, all the voice actors are different except for Joseph. I do like the new Faith voice though.
Everyone’s different bar Joseph
I was raised Catholic I’m pretty sure this is what God was saying to Joseph.
“ your family had to die because you were using my name as an excuse to take out your frustrations on society.”
Thats not what it was about
That's the thing, it wasn't God saying anything to Joseph lol, it was Josephs own mind, or actually satan more specifically, which deceived him and led him to do all of his shenanigans.
I'm pretty sure anyone who hears "God's" or any other fictional charater's voices is suffering from schizophrenia.
@@samirnassif I hear from Him all the time and am fully competent and of sound mind. Not only that, many that I know including many who bear witness throughout history have done the same. In fact, there are ways to detect authenticity though as an unbeliever you would not be able to tell as easily because you would have to know scripture to tell as well as having divine discernment which is only granted from above. Just because you haven't heard Him speak to you does not mean that He doesn't exist or speak to others.
@@skyofstorms Really? You hear from him? Could you record his voice and show someone else? So that you can tell apart God's voice from the one of you own mind?
Jacob voice actor is still Mark Pellegrino in this dlc?
Good stuff
Deputy's room don't have no bed no place for clothes nothing. Poor dude/gal was tortured 24/7 💀
for jacobs test can we see Joseph run into the room please
overdoes the bliss, claim that u saw the real lord and heard him, let everyone die, make the world collapse, create your very own "New Eden" after the collapse , overdoes the bliss again, let ur son eat a bliss apple, let everyone die, overdoes the bliss again, and u'll have a DLC XD
27:45 Why was Jerome wearing a ballistic best to church before the Edens Gate conflict.....?
Nice catch. But I think maybe they did that for player recognition. The entire time you're in FC5, Jerome is wearing that vest.
Wow, the part we're he is calling his wife it's hars when You know why happened
I really, *really* wished we could’ve gotten the original voice actors for the Seed siblings, although the replacements didn’t do a bad job. It just didn’t feel as impactful. Other than that…this was literally the only reason I bought Far Cry 6, and I wasn’t disappointed.
That flower he touches at the beginning, it couldn't be datura could it? It looks some what similar.
You know the whole reason joseph ended up like this was because of the deputy.
If you pause at the right time, you can clearly see that the deputy has a beard, confirming that they are canonically male.