2:45 Almost EVERY car you can buy is capable of exceeding legal speed limits. In fact a car's (or motorbike) top speed has NO bearing on its road worthiness. So why should it be any different for an ebike? Unless you're arguing (by implication) that cars and motorbikes should be speed restricted to not exceed legal limits, your comparison actually works against you. It's a dumb rule that only adds confusion, inconsistency and unnecessary complexity to ebike regulation. Picture an ebike that's "assist restricted" travelling down a steep hill below the legal speed limit but above its assist restriction. In this case no rules are broken but the "assist restriction" law is made a mockery of. If an ebike (or any other bicycle) is not breaking the law going down hill, WHY should it be deemed to be breaking the law on a flat for travelling at the exact same speed?
I agree 100% I've been looking up E-bikes as I'm really thinking about getting one, as I don't have a driver's license yet, and our only grocery closed in town. So I started looking into these as a way to get to the town over. I realized very quickly that the speed limitations, doesn't make any sense. If anything I've learned that a lot of people that get E-bikes, don't feel like their going fast enough for cars behind them.
Exactly 👍🏾 How can prove it ? My ORBEA rise will do 15 mph at max assist but I’ve hit 35 mph on a downhill trail and it’s NOT de restricted AND I wasn’t pedalling so
15.5 mph is ridiculously low. 20mph assist limit would be sensible. Even on my emtb on the flat I can get to 22-23 so why not have the assistance? Likewise if you have high assist like turbo you can move along the flat barely tickling the pedals, so why not have a throttle mode for emergencies (get you home with an injury) or even getting up those difficult areas where many pedal strikes could not be avoided. I can hit over 30 downhil and roadies can pedal at 30 on the road. Whats safer? Pedalling hell for leather side to side or having assist where you can progress more smoothly and pay attention to the traffic?
Agree. I feel I’m battling beyond 15mph, where I ride my ordinary commute at about 18-20mph on the flat. Don’t need ridiculously higher limit, but 20 would be the sensible spot. Anyway where did 15.5 come from? Sounds like a kph conversion…
Also look at gearing. My eBike is 4:1 max, yet road bikes are closer to 5:1 and can easily top 40mph. I can reach 35 on a gentle slope with my motor off - and I’m the wrong side of 60!
You are choosing to ride on a surface designed for vehicles, you are in their domain, if you want to keep up with traffic put more effort in or pay the insurance for a higher wattage bike, i find most peoples attitudes to e bikes are just lazy cyclists, im a lycra wanka and an e bike rider, when i want exercise and speed i ride my road bike, if i want an effortless leisurely ride I grab my ebike. Now this is a different story for elderly and disabled as there is a legitimate reason for needing the assistance, but again if you want to go faster in a vehicles domain then you pay for insurance. So its not really about safety when it comes to speed, you are naked in the air with just a helmet vs a metal box, you choose to take the risk, just like anything in life, i mean id like it if the e bike went faster but that is just me being lazy
20 mph is still too slow in USA. Trails often would like a little more. Some of my unrestricted friends walk away in certain parts of our rides. Open areas that are safe. Common sense goes a long way.
As you guys are regularly smashing rides on e-bikes, why not show some realtime stats on wear and tear on your own bikes ie., how many miles you rode before the chain gave up, distances travelled, issues that presented themselves. This would give existing and potential users of e-mountain bikes a perspective of owning one.
Volspeed 4 on my Bosch. You plug it in, put the motor cover back on and you now can go up to 28mph. No error codes, no pressing buttons to set etc. Its amazing and how the bikes should come stock. Now when you're running up to a big grass table top in a park you don't have motor shut off right before the jump, same goes for any biggers jumps, it is downright dangerous to have a 53 pound bike of dead weight right before a jump, I couldn't even imagine it shutting off at 15mph. Remember this has NOTHING to do with the motor or battery, the only reason was the nanny state Karens who felt that was a good limit, well f.....k them. Do you need over 20mph in regular single track or if you don't do bigger jumps? maybe not, but would be nice to ride to the trail head a bit faster.
@scottjackson9335 chip that allows you to get rid of the bullshit limiter that is pre set to 19.5. That limiter is dangerous when riding on streets and doing big jumps as the motor shuts off and you have a 55 pound tank. You can get them from Two Wheels Empire
You pay £5000 plus for a emtb only to be over took by a £300 electic scooter .. the limiter ruins the natural riding experience off what the bike should feel like ... a normal mtb in lowest high gear will be faster just because there not restricted . They need to move the limiter up this really stops the fun .. I actually regret getting mine for the price I payed . I should of got a stealth bomber b52 instead.
I have a single speed /fixie flip flop road bike. I use it to commute to work. I bought a front wheel kit and large 624 wh battery. Easy to install and superb for the hills. I find myself regularly doing 40 - 50 kmph at between 90 and 100 rpm. The assist cuts out at 27.5 kmph. I could easily do well over 100 miles on one charge. I look forward to hills now. I think using a fixed gear bike has been helpful to consistently beat the speed limiter. 46 tooth chain ring and 16 tooth cog with 700c wheels is a good selection for the hills in my area of Scotland 😊
Since your group of channels ignore the S-Pedelec options available. it is mainly German channels that review those. The EU has better integration into the transport system by realizing E bikes are not Mopeds and changing the laws to allow for Ebike helmets rated to the Dutch safety standard and not requiring a non breathable motorcycle helmet like the UK. So it is quite reasonable that the available ebikes are being derestricted so that comfortable full suspension rides can be had on the way to work over all the pot holes. Dutch statistics have realized that most people who ride unrestricted ebikes travel at about 35kph. Since roadies normally exceed these speeds with ease where are the calls for those speedsters to have tax and insurance?
Exactly. I find it easy to get near the top end on my derestricted ebike without the assist. It just takes longer to get there without the motor. Where is the line drawn I always wonder. I’m rarely overtaken by the average spandex warrior these days now, but they can still keep up. I’ve even had some ask to draft me while getting their best Strava “KOM” around my local town haha
Read Joel's reply. Any reasonable person can see that he makes the point for restrictions. First we complain about The Lycra Lads and they are a danger, then we talk about them not being able to keep up! I agree, motorcycle helmets on a bike that can't even reach 72kph is rediculous, but riding in a bike lane or on a MUP or tearing up a mountain trail above 25kph is just plain wrong!
As I wrote several times, for me cool solution would be to have additional ROAD mode, in which limit would be like in the US (20mph/32kmh, although round 30kmh would still be fine with me), while rest of the modes can keep this 25kmh value. Of course, law should change to allow that, but from my experience I don't think it is necessary to have 32kmh limit in every mode and every situation cause saving battery and working more is also important. One can argue, well you can just turn off the assistance at 25kmh if that's you want, but that's not the same cause it's not practical and transition is way smoother when bike does it. Or maybe we could choose the limit for each mode in the settings menu, so if someone likes to go 30kmh in trail or eco, why not.
Being a UK/Euro user 32kph does seem like the perfect speed for most, it's a pity the EU/Gov doesn't follow suit. I'm guessing the chips and dongles probably don't sell outside of Europe because most people would be happy with the 32 km/h limit.
@@MHH3180 @Timo Salesto It's not just paperwork, you need a cbt test and insurance and then it cannot be ridden any where but on the road as it's classed as a moped in the UK , which some people cannot afford to do or afford to buy another bike to ride on trails or cycle paths etc
The Kenevo SL with a 20mph/32kph limiter is perfect. The terrain that I ride, combined with the low friction generated by the motor, makes a derestictor fairly useless.
I consistently ride above 45kph on my analog bike on trails where e-bikes are prohibited. I look ahead and neither I or my friends have run over hikers on the trail ever. There is no rational reason to restrict ebike speeds other than bruised egos or motor vehicle tax interest. Rules and legislation have stifled freedom and destroyed the spirit of liberty.
My bikes are used 80% of the time on closed private property and I ride emtb instead of a roadbike just for longevity and not feeling like I'm constantly abusing the bike when I ride over rougher terrain. I also ride about 60km on a good day, and that's mainly in a straight line I dont mind fitting a dongle to the bike that derestricts it, for all i care make it glow red so the police sees it if infit it on road, but the idea that I need to contact bosch so they unlock my bike after three times of them noticing me riding quicker than they allow on streets is ridiculous enough that I decided to not to buy any bike with a restricted motor And it really sucks, I'd like to go to a local shop and buy some nice of the shelf bike, have normal order times, do stuff for the local economy. But now I order frames and motors from China and at most I buy some forks and stuff locally
Damn that's dystopian af, I didn't know that was a thing. Same thing is being instituted with cars too. No more hiding from the repo man, now they'll just shut it down remotely
When I was 17 I bought a new Yamaha RD125LC, and the stupid restrictions that took learners from 250cc now had a 12bhp/125cc limit. It struggled at 60-65, gutless, dodgy on duals etc....I fitted a Micron (NOT Omicron) exhaust, K&N filter kit and suddenly whoosh.... closer to 20bhp and it was a fun, safer, rocket that could do 90mph..... E-bike restrictors need to be upped to 32kmph, or just done away with, they are awful things (especially with the Gen3 Bosch and the 2.5 gear box, hit the limit and you think it's packed in...)
i tricked my limiter on my Bosch 400 power pack bike and I think it killed my battery young...does anyone know if tricking the limiter does shorten the life of the battery??
Are you kidding me ?! I ride more than 25km/h AVERAGE WITHOUT ASSISTANCE. These legal e-bikes are just pointless if they do not help above 25km/h ! I DO look for a way to UNLOCK this ecologic none sense: - same function - more heavy - hundreds of times more polluting
I was expecting ways to overide the speed limitations of the eBike. The eBike is capable of much higher speeds than the default settings, most riders would need to pay significantly more loot to buy a faster bike when their current eBike is cable of the same speed that of the more expensive faster model. It's by law that the eMotor not be tampered with for higher speeds than regulations would allow. Look at the $millions being taken with these laws, but of course it's all about people's safety and not the money. Let's face it, no one is sensible enough to ride a bike at a higher speed than 25kph, we'd all fall over and die a horrible death. "Silly human race".
What a waste of time! I thought you were going to show me how to rewire my bike to get more speed! Y'know, a few secret micro switches to flick to hide the extra oomph from pc plod when on the road! I'm already building a e-trailer to push me at 30mph+ that just looks like a dead basic 'shopping/dog/small child' trailer.., stick that behind my scooter and wheeeeeee!
Am I missing something. My 1500w 48v rear hub with 52v battery cruses at 42mph all day long down hill up to 48mph. Only concern is on my bike speed wobbles but only at 44 mph below or above 44mph smooth ride. Not sure why that is.
it's the bikes resonance sweet spot vibration travels through the frame not all bike or frames helicopters sometime fall to pieces two or three feet of the ground because of it😀 as you found a bit slower or faster cancels it out
What do what with your car? Are you simple.. They are mikes going at speeds a Bike will normally get up to. Its a joke. They have better laws elcewhere and people are thrown into prison, what rubbish.
Click-bait title - I want to know how to derestrict my e-bike not be lectured by a goody two-shoes about obvious stuff like baggy jackets and tyre pressure
not worth breaking the law i would wait till you have exhausted the life of your battery and then you could look into increasing your speed and power….!!!!
First of all car is not a bike and an e-bike all it has is a tiny little battery with connecting cords and a few other few gears and stuff that allows it to go a little. If not more faster than other bikes but besides that it's not a vehicle. Especially In the same category as your place in it
I have the fiido m1 pro, it's full assist is 21kmh and it drags when ya go above that - switch it off and I can go a few kmh faster with leg power....leave the battery for hills or the cycle home when I'm more tired 👍
If you knew anything about Common Law, you'd know that licenses, 'laws' (anything written by an employee of a service corp ie: gov't) are meaningless to i man.
that motor also puts out a bit more than twice the mechanical power of a typical emtb motor. full suspension bikes are always a hassle to mount a sufficiently large battery onto...
@@JoLe1991 you are not wrong. Setting up my battery has been the biggest obstacle. My triangle is not big enough to mount a battery due to my rear shock and finding a rack that works with full suspension has proven to be next to impossible. So I frankensteined two racks into one in order to meet my needs and work around my triangle issue. I’ve managed to make something work, but the rack cannot handle off roading. For off roading I put my battery into a backpack and I ditch my custom battery rack.
@@Todd66 the only way to make a large enough battery pack is to weld a box with a U trough in the middle that fits around the downtube, against which it can be clamped with some rubber between. think at a cross section like the arc de triomphe. then fill that case with about 1000Wh worth of cells for the BBSHD, as drawing much more than 1C from high capacity cells will prematurely ruin them The BBSHD can pull 30A continuous, that yields on average almost 1500W power draw with a 14S pack.
I want to thank the EMBN staff for the beautiful MUC-OFF package I won in the contest. I was overwhelmed at the full kit plus refills. Thanks again. Have a wonderful New Year.
I use mine for both commuting and trails and shifting to keep her in the sweet spot is key. I have 45-10 12speed xt cassette on a 2020 stance E2. Find that I use the 10 mostly downs hill and on occasion smooth flats. I wondering if the new 2022 Reign with 15 more newton meters is going to pass that speed limiter wall easier or not as it will be more off rode oriented? I find my self peddling just as much on the road as a regular bike or even more just going faster. On the trail I have to remind my self just use the flow and peddle position at times.
I’ve rarely been in position of wanting to go faster than the motor lets me. There’s no advantage going uphill faster as my transfers are usually steep technical and rocky. My friends usually wait for me on the DH as they are just better riders than I. I’m usually seconds behind so no big deal. So it’s a non issue here in the mountains of Lake Tahoe.
So true, besides, e-bike motors anywhere near U.S. legal (including the illegal BBSHD 1K Watt) don't climb but a very tiny bit faster. My buddy's 750 watt BBSO2 is almost imperceptibly a stringer climber than a 250 watt Ananda.
It depends how and where you ride, if you're on steep dh trails I agree but if the trails you ride don't have a steep gradient or are flat it's actually much harder work to keep the bike at the right speed to clear jumps etc on the ebike especially on trail centres. I'm considering going back to lower powered EP8 rs to get less drag in the system.
What I meant by dangerous is that when you need to pull out quickly and the limiter suddenly slams on, it could easily end up with you getting smashed off your bike. Why the hell can't they just stop motor assistance rather than slamming the brakes on?
@@JohnSmith-qt7ul The stock battery max speed is 50km at 32mph, but the extended range battery starts from 50km, and it's max is 90km which starts from 32mph, and possibly ends at 56 - 60 mph ( I'm not sure ), but I'm trying to figure out how many times do I need to ride to get it's maximum km per hour whether if I'm using the electric system or just by peddling the bike.
so i have a Turbo Tero 3.0 Step-Through and i used it quite a lot and i am interested to buy a chip, ik were to buy it and everything but i have a 3 questions. 1.i heard a lot of roumers that it ruins the battery and the motor? is that right? 2.and how fast does it go if the max limit before was 25km/h? 3. how do the modes work? because i wont allways need to go really fast and sometimes 25km/h is fine for eg. mountain bikeing but if i need to go fast like 40km/h if im on the road what mode do i change it? is it like eco and trail is like normal but turbo is uncapped?
Trouble is, derestriction of the motor will only lead to tougher legislation and enforcement if too many people zoom around at 30 mph in town centres plus while riding like idiots.
The 25 kmh is just a limit that is slightly to low 32 kmh is absolutely perfect it really pity that they made it just 25 kmh. We can do nothing about it just live with it unfortunately.
I think a petition might be an idea. 32km is much more suited to MTB as that seems to be the speed we'd get up to on a regular bike. It's also a complete pain in the hole when a roadie casually cruises past you. As well as the fact you need to keep checking your cadence to keep within the limit. I don't see why there shouldn't be some kind of rider proficiency test, rather than pigeon holing everyone into the same restriction..... Technically, I've already got a full motorbike licence so I should be able derestrict my bike without any warranty issues. It's up to governments to legislate for tax and insurance....
You get the electric chair if you chip it! Just do it , it's a lot more fun on fire roads.... I knew this was gonna be clickbait and preachy but man! 😂😂
I ride a Mahle powered road bike. It’s restricted to 25km but there’s no drag over that, so I ride 90% of my road ride at around 33km/hr under pedal with no assist.. do these centre mounted motors work the same way or do you actually get resistance above 25km/hr…? If you do why? Can’t these motors free wheel or cut out with at least close to zero resistance over 25km….??
To white or blue wires on controller i heard is the limit wires check to see if you have that kind of bike they said if you disconnect them your all set
Lol all you have to do is carry the right paperwork you don't even need to license your vehicle. You're not listen to this guy you cannot be thrown in prison for riding a few derestricted electric bike.. it's shocking that people still pay for a license and insurance and all that shit whenever it's a constitutional right to drive, you only need a license or something if you're actually making money while you're on the road aka you're getting paid and some way shape or form
1:41 those days where never there because the ebike i own has a yamaha motor in it which even back in the ancor days as you call them went from assist to non assist smoothly. it was just more advanced and cheaper than boschs offering back then
Hey Chris & EMBN, Happy New Year!🎉 And in the new year, I hope you will retrain from content on "derestriction." I would suggest you focus in on "the right e-Bike for the job," depending on where a rider intends to ride. I say the above as more and more BLM officials, here in the U.S., are EVEN banning various classes (1, 2) of e-Bikes from Multi-Use Trails and Shared-Use Paths! All because of unsafe, illegal or irresponsible use! BAD FOR ALL OF US RESPONSIBLE RIDERS! Thanks & respectfully, CS The (USA) eBike Guy⚡(x2)
Naturally we’d all like them to go quicker. I generally go quicker on my local trails with a normal MTB than the eBike. However in shared areas a 25kg ebike is really going to hurt someone in a collision. For the good of eMTB and MTB I’m happy for the limit, especially with limited land access and the progress in trying to increase/improve this for all.
Very very unhelpful!
2:45 Almost EVERY car you can buy is capable of exceeding legal speed limits. In fact a car's (or motorbike) top speed has NO bearing on its road worthiness. So why should it be any different for an ebike? Unless you're arguing (by implication) that cars and motorbikes should be speed restricted to not exceed legal limits, your comparison actually works against you.
It's a dumb rule that only adds confusion, inconsistency and unnecessary complexity to ebike regulation. Picture an ebike that's "assist restricted" travelling down a steep hill below the legal speed limit but above its assist restriction. In this case no rules are broken but the "assist restriction" law is made a mockery of. If an ebike (or any other bicycle) is not breaking the law going down hill, WHY should it be deemed to be breaking the law on a flat for travelling at the exact same speed?
Well said
I agree 100% I've been looking up E-bikes as I'm really thinking about getting one, as I don't have a driver's license yet, and our only grocery closed in town. So I started looking into these as a way to get to the town over. I realized very quickly that the speed limitations, doesn't make any sense. If anything I've learned that a lot of people that get E-bikes, don't feel like their going fast enough for cars behind them.
Well said.
Exactly 👍🏾 How can prove it ? My ORBEA rise will do 15 mph at max assist but I’ve hit 35 mph on a downhill trail and it’s NOT de restricted AND I wasn’t pedalling so
15.5 mph is ridiculously low. 20mph assist limit would be sensible. Even on my emtb on the flat I can get to 22-23 so why not have the assistance? Likewise if you have high assist like turbo you can move along the flat barely tickling the pedals, so why not have a throttle mode for emergencies (get you home with an injury) or even getting up those difficult areas where many pedal strikes could not be avoided.
I can hit over 30 downhil and roadies can pedal at 30 on the road. Whats safer? Pedalling hell for leather side to side or having assist where you can progress more smoothly and pay attention to the traffic?
Agree. I feel I’m battling beyond 15mph, where I ride my ordinary commute at about 18-20mph on the flat. Don’t need ridiculously higher limit, but 20 would be the sensible spot. Anyway where did 15.5 come from? Sounds like a kph conversion…
Also look at gearing. My eBike is 4:1 max, yet road bikes are closer to 5:1 and can easily top 40mph. I can reach 35 on a gentle slope with my motor off - and I’m the wrong side of 60!
@@herrtomas6729 Struth!
You are choosing to ride on a surface designed for vehicles, you are in their domain, if you want to keep up with traffic put more effort in or pay the insurance for a higher wattage bike, i find most peoples attitudes to e bikes are just lazy cyclists, im a lycra wanka and an e bike rider, when i want exercise and speed i ride my road bike, if i want an effortless leisurely ride I grab my ebike. Now this is a different story for elderly and disabled as there is a legitimate reason for needing the assistance, but again if you want to go faster in a vehicles domain then you pay for insurance. So its not really about safety when it comes to speed, you are naked in the air with just a helmet vs a metal box, you choose to take the risk, just like anything in life, i mean id like it if the e bike went faster but that is just me being lazy
20 mph is still too slow in USA. Trails often would like a little more. Some of my unrestricted friends walk away in certain parts of our rides. Open areas that are safe. Common sense goes a long way.
Delimit every time. Waste of time video.
Not again? 32km/h is the answer, come on guys, you know it, we know it, and even next doors cat knows it!
Europe should have 32 too
@@Kaibestmoments123agreed
NO LIMIT is the answer
My display goes to 45 km 500 watt but only goes 22 mph
Jeezus, someone who speaks the truth 👌✌️
As you guys are regularly smashing rides on e-bikes, why not show some realtime stats on wear and tear on your own bikes ie., how many miles you rode before the chain gave up, distances travelled, issues that presented themselves. This would give existing and potential users of e-mountain bikes a perspective of owning one.
Click bait title, nothing on how to overcome your E bike speed limiter. Prat
Volspeed 4 on my Bosch. You plug it in, put the motor cover back on and you now can go up to 28mph. No error codes, no pressing buttons to set etc. Its amazing and how the bikes should come stock. Now when you're running up to a big grass table top in a park you don't have motor shut off right before the jump, same goes for any biggers jumps, it is downright dangerous to have a 53 pound bike of dead weight right before a jump, I couldn't even imagine it shutting off at 15mph. Remember this has NOTHING to do with the motor or battery, the only reason was the nanny state Karens who felt that was a good limit, well f.....k them. Do you need over 20mph in regular single track or if you don't do bigger jumps? maybe not, but would be nice to ride to the trail head a bit faster.
Well said.
20 is way too slow
What is a volspeed4 and where do I get one?
@scottjackson9335 chip that allows you to get rid of the bullshit limiter that is pre set to 19.5. That limiter is dangerous when riding on streets and doing big jumps as the motor shuts off and you have a 55 pound tank. You can get them from Two Wheels Empire
You pay £5000 plus for a emtb only to be over took by a £300 electic scooter .. the limiter ruins the natural riding experience off what the bike should feel like ... a normal mtb in lowest high gear will be faster just because there not restricted . They need to move the limiter up this really stops the fun .. I actually regret getting mine for the price I payed . I should of got a stealth bomber b52 instead.
I have a single speed /fixie flip flop road bike. I use it to commute to work. I bought a front wheel kit and large 624 wh battery. Easy to install and superb for the hills. I find myself regularly doing 40 - 50 kmph at between 90 and 100 rpm. The assist cuts out at 27.5 kmph. I could easily do well over 100 miles on one charge. I look forward to hills now. I think using a fixed gear bike has been helpful to consistently beat the speed limiter. 46 tooth chain ring and 16 tooth cog with 700c wheels is a good selection for the hills in my area of Scotland 😊
Since your group of channels ignore the S-Pedelec options available. it is mainly German channels that review those. The EU has better integration into the transport system by realizing E bikes are not Mopeds and changing the laws to allow for Ebike helmets rated to the Dutch safety standard and not requiring a non breathable motorcycle helmet like the UK. So it is quite reasonable that the available ebikes are being derestricted so that comfortable full suspension rides can be had on the way to work over all the pot holes. Dutch statistics have realized that most people who ride unrestricted ebikes travel at about 35kph. Since roadies normally exceed these speeds with ease where are the calls for those speedsters to have tax and insurance?
Exactly. I find it easy to get near the top end on my derestricted ebike without the assist. It just takes longer to get there without the motor. Where is the line drawn I always wonder.
I’m rarely overtaken by the average spandex warrior these days now, but they can still keep up. I’ve even had some ask to draft me while getting their best Strava “KOM” around my local town haha
Read Joel's reply. Any reasonable person can see that he makes the point for restrictions. First we complain about The Lycra Lads and they are a danger, then we talk about them not being able to keep up!
I agree, motorcycle helmets on a bike that can't even reach 72kph is rediculous, but riding in a bike lane or on a MUP or tearing up a mountain trail above 25kph is just plain wrong!
As I wrote several times, for me cool solution would be to have additional ROAD mode, in which limit would be like in the US (20mph/32kmh, although round 30kmh would still be fine with me), while rest of the modes can keep this 25kmh value. Of course, law should change to allow that, but from my experience I don't think it is necessary to have 32kmh limit in every mode and every situation cause saving battery and working more is also important. One can argue, well you can just turn off the assistance at 25kmh if that's you want, but that's not the same cause it's not practical and transition is way smoother when bike does it. Or maybe we could choose the limit for each mode in the settings menu, so if someone likes to go 30kmh in trail or eco, why not.
Estimated guess, I'd say at least 7 out of 10 are derestricted after purchase to unleash the full potential.
As they should
more like 9/10 lol
Can I make my thok ap8 derestricted ?
Derestricted. Most places here in the US do not have the bicycle police to check if you are having too much fun.
And now we know another that is getting us kicked off the trails, MUP's and out of bike lanes.
False Title, common info. Tsk.
Derestrict? Fines?…maybe. Imprisonment?….I don’t think so Chris
Being a UK/Euro user 32kph does seem like the perfect speed for most, it's a pity the EU/Gov doesn't follow suit.
I'm guessing the chips and dongles probably don't sell outside of Europe because most people would be happy with the 32 km/h limit.
In EU we can get 45 kph L1e-B class bikes. Perfect for commuting.
Brexit , so uk could change to 32 ?
@@tsalesto isn't it amazing what people will risk just to avoid such a tiny expense and some paperwork?
@@MHH3180 Yes, in deed it is.
@@MHH3180 @Timo Salesto It's not just paperwork, you need a cbt test and insurance and then it cannot be ridden any where but on the road as it's classed as a moped in the UK , which some people cannot afford to do or afford to buy another bike to ride on trails or cycle paths etc
You didn't help me out at all, smaller tires, bullshit
I’ve had two e bikes now, both de restricted by the supplying dealer transformed the bike on those long flat boring fire roads 👍
@@Neil.C57510 No it’s absolutely fine
The Kenevo SL with a 20mph/32kph limiter is perfect. The terrain that I ride, combined with the low friction generated by the motor, makes a derestictor fairly useless.
20mph would be fine, it’s 15.5mph in the UK.
I consistently ride above 45kph on my analog bike on trails where e-bikes are prohibited. I look ahead and neither I or my friends have run over hikers on the trail ever. There is no rational reason to restrict ebike speeds other than bruised egos or motor vehicle tax interest. Rules and legislation have stifled freedom and destroyed the spirit of liberty.
My bikes are used 80% of the time on closed private property and I ride emtb instead of a roadbike just for longevity and not feeling like I'm constantly abusing the bike when I ride over rougher terrain. I also ride about 60km on a good day, and that's mainly in a straight line
I dont mind fitting a dongle to the bike that derestricts it, for all i care make it glow red so the police sees it if infit it on road, but the idea that I need to contact bosch so they unlock my bike after three times of them noticing me riding quicker than they allow on streets is ridiculous enough that I decided to not to buy any bike with a restricted motor
And it really sucks, I'd like to go to a local shop and buy some nice of the shelf bike, have normal order times, do stuff for the local economy. But now I order frames and motors from China and at most I buy some forks and stuff locally
Damn that's dystopian af, I didn't know that was a thing. Same thing is being instituted with cars too. No more hiding from the repo man, now they'll just shut it down remotely
A road bike would be smashed to pieces on the roads near me. I fitted a BBSHD, no longer a problem in terms of beating the limiter
No police will ever have a go on your bike to see if it’s restricted or not. Just chip and rip it, it’s really not that deep.
I was on a ride last week and a Lycra wearing roadie flew past me as if I was a kid on a bmx bike, wow I am blown away by how fast they can go
Hiboy P6 26" x 4" 750 watt 48v Fatty....28 mph stock....How fast unlocked ? 🔐
well this was useless dbl thumbs down for the lying title
When I was 17 I bought a new Yamaha RD125LC, and the stupid restrictions that took learners from 250cc now had a 12bhp/125cc limit. It struggled at 60-65, gutless, dodgy on duals etc....I fitted a Micron (NOT Omicron) exhaust, K&N filter kit and suddenly whoosh.... closer to 20bhp and it was a fun, safer, rocket that could do 90mph..... E-bike restrictors need to be upped to 32kmph, or just done away with, they are awful things (especially with the Gen3 Bosch and the 2.5 gear box, hit the limit and you think it's packed in...)
i tricked my limiter on my Bosch 400 power pack bike and I think it killed my battery young...does anyone know if tricking the limiter does shorten the life of the battery??
I've two sets of wheels. Street I've the Hookworms by Maxxis and trails I've butcher & Eliminator. 36t chainring.
Speedi by NLS Components in NZ. Raises limiter to 30mph without voiding warranty 👍
Thanks Bob! Glad you're enjoying it 🤙🏻
i de restricted my bike lol
This video is pointless.
Well this was a waste of time..
Are you kidding me ?!
I ride more than 25km/h AVERAGE WITHOUT ASSISTANCE. These legal e-bikes are just pointless if they do not help above 25km/h !
I DO look for a way to UNLOCK this ecologic none sense:
- same function
- more heavy
- hundreds of times more polluting
Video's useless. No help.
I was expecting ways to overide the speed limitations of the eBike. The eBike is capable of much higher speeds than the default settings, most riders would need to pay significantly more loot to buy a faster bike when their current eBike is cable of the same speed that of the more expensive faster model. It's by law that the eMotor not be tampered with for higher speeds than regulations would allow. Look at the $millions being taken with these laws, but of course it's all about people's safety and not the money. Let's face it, no one is sensible enough to ride a bike at a higher speed than 25kph, we'd all fall over and die a horrible death. "Silly human race".
What a waste of time! I thought you were going to show me how to rewire my bike to get more speed! Y'know, a few secret micro switches to flick to hide the extra oomph from pc plod when on the road! I'm already building a e-trailer to push me at 30mph+ that just looks like a dead basic 'shopping/dog/small child' trailer.., stick that behind my scooter and wheeeeeee!
Am I missing something. My 1500w 48v rear hub with 52v battery cruses at 42mph all day long down hill up to 48mph. Only concern is on my bike speed wobbles but only at 44 mph below or above 44mph smooth ride. Not sure why that is.
it's the bikes resonance sweet spot vibration travels through the frame not all bike or frames helicopters sometime fall to pieces two or three feet of the ground because of it😀
as you found a bit slower or faster cancels it out
What do what with your car? Are you simple.. They are mikes going at speeds a Bike will normally get up to. Its a joke. They have better laws elcewhere and people are thrown into prison, what rubbish.
oh so you re gonna lecture those who de restrict!
Click-bait title - I want to know how to derestrict my e-bike not be lectured by a goody two-shoes about obvious stuff like baggy jackets and tyre pressure
Skipped ahead to the derestrict section only to discover a lecture. Leave the nagging to our moms and give us the damn information. Thumbs down.
not worth breaking the law i would wait till you have exhausted the life of your battery and then you could look into increasing your speed and power….!!!!
First of all car is not a bike and an e-bike all it has is a tiny little battery with connecting cords and a few other few gears and stuff that allows it to go a little. If not more faster than other bikes but besides that it's not a vehicle. Especially In the same category as your place in it
check your settings for an unlocked wheel size setting, if you minimize it your bike will unwittingly go faster
I have the fiido m1 pro, it's full assist is 21kmh and it drags when ya go above that - switch it off and I can go a few kmh faster with leg power....leave the battery for hills or the cycle home when I'm more tired 👍
Please stop trying to convince us that limiters are OK. They're not and they are dangerous.
I feel that 15.5 mph law in UK is dated and stupid. 20mph would be far more sensible.
If you knew anything about Common Law, you'd know that licenses, 'laws' (anything written by an employee of a service corp ie: gov't) are meaningless to i man.
i man a rasta
If your bike has walk assist mode you can hold that whilst peddling and it by passes the derestrict 😎
thank me later guys 👍🏻
Is this for real, and does it actually work?
Nope, a road bike and Lycra won’t handle the jumps or black diamond runs
They need to bring the price down same with cars it's a rip off i have to different kind of bikes
I fixed this by putting a BBSHD on my Specialized Epic, much better.
that motor also puts out a bit more than twice the mechanical power of a typical emtb motor. full suspension bikes are always a hassle to mount a sufficiently large battery onto...
The Chinese give you a nice 250w sticker to place over your 750w motor too so it's fully road legal
@@JoLe1991 you are not wrong. Setting up my battery has been the biggest obstacle. My triangle is not big enough to mount a battery due to my rear shock and finding a rack that works with full suspension has proven to be next to impossible. So I frankensteined two racks into one in order to meet my needs and work around my triangle issue. I’ve managed to make something work, but the rack cannot handle off roading. For off roading I put my battery into a backpack and I ditch my custom battery rack.
@@Todd66 the only way to make a large enough battery pack is to weld a box with a U trough in the middle that fits around the downtube, against which it can be clamped with some rubber between. think at a cross section like the arc de triomphe. then fill that case with about 1000Wh worth of cells for the BBSHD, as drawing much more than 1C from high capacity cells will prematurely ruin them The BBSHD can pull 30A continuous, that yields on average almost 1500W power draw with a 14S pack.
@@James-rf2ln i've got plenty of these stickers 😝
There’s a prison penalty for breaking your bike’s speed limiter? Where? 😆
in france big fine and or prison sentence
@@jamesemery1 Elections have consequences ~ Dumbo Ears Oblammie. Only truthful thing he's ever said!
What the hell has the tires got to do with the speed limter
I want to thank the EMBN staff for the beautiful MUC-OFF package I won in the contest. I was overwhelmed at the full kit plus refills. Thanks again. Have a wonderful New Year.
Great to hear that Bruce! Do you have a squeaky clean bike now? - Hope you have a good new year!
Happy New Year!😊😊
Just get it chipped and use common sense. Don't listen to the usual EMBN scaremongering.
Chip what?
Nice usefull info Chris, and a happy new year to you and your family, looking forward to watching your show
Nah this bullshit talk talk talk big mouth
I use mine for both commuting and trails and shifting to keep her in the sweet spot is key. I have 45-10 12speed xt cassette on a 2020 stance E2. Find that I use the 10 mostly downs hill and on occasion smooth flats. I wondering if the new 2022 Reign with 15 more newton meters is going to pass that speed limiter wall easier or not as it will be more off rode oriented? I find my self peddling just as much on the road as a regular bike or even more just going faster. On the trail I have to remind my self just use the flow and peddle position at times.
I’ve rarely been in position of wanting to go faster than the motor lets me. There’s no advantage going uphill faster as my transfers are usually steep technical and rocky. My friends usually wait for me on the DH as they are just better riders than I. I’m usually seconds behind so no big deal. So it’s a non issue here in the mountains of Lake Tahoe.
So true, besides, e-bike motors anywhere near U.S. legal (including the illegal BBSHD 1K Watt) don't climb but a very tiny bit faster. My buddy's 750 watt BBSO2 is almost imperceptibly a stringer climber than a 250 watt Ananda.
It depends how and where you ride, if you're on steep dh trails I agree but if the trails you ride don't have a steep gradient or are flat it's actually much harder work to keep the bike at the right speed to clear jumps etc on the ebike especially on trail centres. I'm considering going back to lower powered EP8 rs to get less drag in the system.
Came for go faster info and got a lecture instead :/
"HAVE" to comply with the law. Ok
What I meant by dangerous is that when you need to pull out quickly and the limiter suddenly slams on, it could easily end up with you getting smashed off your bike. Why the hell can't they just stop motor assistance rather than slamming the brakes on?
What about upgrading the controllers LCD screen ?
Thats what I was thinking
@@JohnSmith-qt7ul The stock battery max speed is 50km at 32mph, but the extended range battery starts from 50km, and it's max is 90km which starts from 32mph, and possibly ends at 56 - 60 mph ( I'm not sure ), but I'm trying to figure out how many times do I need to ride to get it's maximum km per hour whether if I'm using the electric system or just by peddling the bike.
3:05 America 🇺🇸 - fuck yeah
For anyone that just started watching n are reading the comments, click off the vid… All his “tips” and “tricks” are just common sense stuff
so i have a Turbo Tero 3.0 Step-Through and i used it quite a lot and i am interested to buy a chip, ik were to buy it and everything but i have a 3 questions.
1.i heard a lot of roumers that it ruins the battery and the motor? is that right?
2.and how fast does it go if the max limit before was 25km/h?
3. how do the modes work? because i wont allways need to go really fast and sometimes 25km/h is fine for eg. mountain bikeing but if i need to go fast like 40km/h if im on the road what mode do i change it? is it like eco and trail is like normal but turbo is uncapped?
Trouble is, derestriction of the motor will only lead to tougher legislation and enforcement if too many people zoom around at 30 mph in town centres plus while riding like idiots.
You obviously don’t ride many trails well enough. 16mph is a HUGe drag and pain off road Down any hill or down hill section
Risk imprisonment.. what a disgrace.
The 25 kmh is just a limit that is slightly to low 32 kmh is absolutely perfect it really pity that they made it just 25 kmh.
We can do nothing about it just live with it unfortunately.
No one will test your ebike if it is restricted or not. It’s not that deep.
I think a petition might be an idea. 32km is much more suited to MTB as that seems to be the speed we'd get up to on a regular bike.
It's also a complete pain in the hole when a roadie casually cruises past you. As well as the fact you need to keep checking your cadence to keep within the limit.
I don't see why there shouldn't be some kind of rider proficiency test, rather than pigeon holing everyone into the same restriction..... Technically, I've already got a full motorbike licence so I should be able derestrict my bike without any warranty issues. It's up to governments to legislate for tax and insurance....
Totally agree.
Europe nanny state
You do realise the thing with rules is you can pick and choose which ones you want to stick to.....and which to ignore. I only
Well come get on with it
I was thinking of getting a speed box, what’s people’s thoughts? Yes, I know they’re illegal on the roads btw, it’s experience I’m after?
You get the electric chair if you chip it! Just do it , it's a lot more fun on fire roads....
I knew this was gonna be clickbait and preachy but man! 😂😂
an ebike was fastest at fort william?? wut
I ride a Mahle powered road bike. It’s restricted to 25km but there’s no drag over that, so I ride 90% of my road ride at around 33km/hr under pedal with no assist.. do these centre mounted motors work the same way or do you actually get resistance above 25km/hr…? If you do why? Can’t these motors free wheel or cut out with at least close to zero resistance over 25km….??
Has no-one noticed the bike? - it looks like a Turbo Levo SL, but the shock is low mount. Is this a preview of the 2022 model or is it something else?
To white or blue wires on controller i heard is the limit wires check to see if you have that kind of bike they said if you disconnect them your all set
ok government jesus
What bike is that? - It looks like a Turbo Levo with the shock in the wrong place…. is this a prototype or what?
Lol all you have to do is carry the right paperwork you don't even need to license your vehicle. You're not listen to this guy you cannot be thrown in prison for riding a few derestricted electric bike.. it's shocking that people still pay for a license and insurance and all that shit whenever it's a constitutional right to drive, you only need a license or something if you're actually making money while you're on the road aka you're getting paid and some way shape or form
Buy an eride pro ss
1:41 those days where never there because the ebike i own has a yamaha motor in it which even back in the ancor days as you call them went from assist to non assist smoothly. it was just more advanced and cheaper than boschs offering back then
"You have to comply with the law"
Not if they don't catch you :^)
I seen a video he said set all levels on high on display does it i still haven't tried
When will this item be in stock I am trying to receive within the next couple weeks.
So no explanation.
Funnily enough Australia also has a 25kmh limit. Right next door in New Zealand though I think it’s 32kmh
Anyone know how to do a carrea subway e 2.0 ? If possible ?
I am illiterate to how to go about increasing my Bosch speed limiter. Can you educate me on that please
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Why is all these batteries blowing up and on fire let us know please
Hey Chris & EMBN,
Happy New Year!🎉
And in the new year, I hope you will retrain from content on "derestriction." I would suggest you focus in on "the right e-Bike for the job," depending on where a rider intends to ride.
I say the above as more and more BLM officials, here in the U.S., are EVEN banning various classes (1, 2) of e-Bikes from Multi-Use Trails and Shared-Use Paths! All because of unsafe, illegal or irresponsible use! BAD FOR ALL OF US RESPONSIBLE RIDERS!
Thanks & respectfully,
CS
The (USA) eBike Guy⚡(x2)
I don't get enough range as it is, don't think I would want to deristrict.
Great ideas except for the work harder one. Sounds like my boss.
So what is the program or code to overcome the limiter?
Naturally we’d all like them to go quicker. I generally go quicker on my local trails with a normal MTB than the eBike.
However in shared areas a 25kg ebike is really going to hurt someone in a collision.
For the good of eMTB and MTB I’m happy for the limit, especially with limited land access and the progress in trying to increase/improve this for all.
Yes!
So if you collided with someone at 55 Kph on a 25kg DH bike they wouldn’t get hurt because the DH bike is “ legal “ ? What a ridiculous comment .
Also we need to ban fat people from downhill, just imagine how much more dangerous 95 kilos guy then 80 kilos 😂😂😂