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Finally A Worthy Opponent for The Raptor? Su-30SM Flanker-H Vs F-22 Raptor Dogfight | DCS |
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Nice vid man keep up the work man
Can you make a video showing and highlighting the things that the F35A was made to do, like a BVR fight
The moment you got low and slow in the final round, all I said was you are now a piñata dangling in the air.
Then the rest was history.
Fantastic, Thank You Parabellum and GS.
nice video! but they said you can't dogfight a F22 raptor in real mcoy scenario, they can hit you 20-40kM away.
When everyone has thrust vectoring, the dogfight becomes “falling with style.”
Oh, not that old canard.
That last fight, I don't think a missile was needed. That Flanker looked it was going to scrape the ground before it recovered enough air speed to be actually flying again.
I think the F-22’s thrust vectoring isn’t even modeled in DCS
A Buzz Lightyear theme for all of them
@@brianwright9514 The ground is 100% effective against all known combat aircraft.
I love how the Flanker tells you how many engines are on fire, but neglects to say "NO FUCKING WINGS, NO FUCKING WINGS"
That's common lack.
Just ask Israelis about F-15.
(landing with one wing because of not knowing other wing was missing)
@@tuunaes Didn't the pilot really know it?
@@artemvektor1 No the pilot had no clue, there was a lot of smoke on that side of the airframe so the pilot couldn't see, from their perspective the plane was just really heavy on one side
😅😅😅
@@treeamble585 Well, to be perfectly honest, he had quite a few "clues". Just no visual cues. So, the thing he didn't know was that he was missing the _whole_ wing. But he knew that the wing was "not working", and what that usually means.
I appreciate the amount of respect given to each aircraft. Both absolutely gorgeous in their own rights.
but this is the disrespect channel
@@UnixSysV Correction : This is The Holy Church of BFM, with our much loved presiding Pastor, Growling Sidewinder. "Please turn to page 16 of your flight manuals and repeat after me... my and my enemy aircraft flight envelopes are my guiding light, they leads me to holy BFM solutions and protect me where radar energy and infrared sensors cannot see... "
@Fred Garvin They (Soviet Aircraft pre 1980) remind me of the Mk1 Iron Man suit, designed under similar circumstances. "We chain you to design table. Your family is in dacha next to gulag. You make design work, they get to stay there. You understand, Comrade? This is not your Design Bureau or factory, it belongs to The People, we have many others behind you that will take up your work, if and when you fail the Motherland."
MiG/Sukhoi/Tupolev : "Da, Political Officer."
@Fred Garvin agree especially aesthetically. I know that western planes tend to have some advantages especially with electronic systems, but the Russian planes I always thought were the best looking planes.
They look the way you expect combat airplanes to look.
@@jamesp8164 I totally agree. I know the f22 is the better plane, but everytime I see this SU silhouette my inner fanboi wants it to win 😅
Really want to see the SM in the hands of Longshot, that'll be something
He posted various videos with it in his channel
He did and looked like a ballet dance
Omg omg omg growling gave me a heart and a like love your vids
Whoever did the SU-30SM Mod is a beast, the after burner effects, nozzle vectoring, gun sound. 10/10
The attitude indicator though...
Irl the f22 would completely obliterate that thing.
@@stoog7487 Well duh isn't it so obvious
@@stoog7487 not in a dogfight it won't. Su-30 has superior manoeuvrability than F-22. In BVR F-22 would obliterate any aircraft but there are better for bvr and not dogfight,
@@panthbarola1256 the f22 has a better radar jamming than the su 30. Even if it was behind the 22 it might be able to even lock on.
It's amazing and kind of scary seeing that massive Su-30 been so agile in a dogfight situation.
That's the power of 3d thrust vectoring.
the Raptor is 20 metric tons *empty*...all the air superiority fighters are quite chonky :P
Dose not really matter when an AIM9X pulls 60 gs up its own asshole.
Su-30, and all Su-27 family, are about the same size of a WWII B-17 flying fortress bomber. They are amazingly huge!!!
@@Gargoloso Wow, I just looked it up... and you are about right. Holy shit! Never realised that!
Seen GS missing the shots on the F22 almost gave me a heart attack.
I was leaning hard right on that one...
@@mattfleming86 I almost feel onto the floor, I was so far on the edge of my seat.
9:14 That camera zoom in from the devastated Su-30 in the foreground to the menacing glare of the F22 in the background was cinematic platinum.
Epic
The thing really does look like a raptor diving in on its prey. We have several great horned owls out back and I love taking a beer out on the deck at night to watch them hunt.
@@chairmankaga101 I envy you.
Gay
@@ronjeremy5826 thank you for finally coming out.
The Sukhoi Su-30 SM/MKI really stood up to the F-22 Raptor. Shows what an amazing Fighter Aircraft it really is.
Great job with the slow-mo cinematics, you captured some really epic scenes perfectly.
PS. That was some mighty fine flying you did there to get all those wins against the F-22, very impressive indeed.
Many thanks again glad you enjoyed. All the best.
@@GrowlingSidewinder Who ever you where flying against was very good. I would love to try this but I would get lost in it so I'm just going to have to be happy watching. Thanks for the fun.
with the thrust vectoring, this type of dogfighting reminds me a lot of the WW1 bi-plane dogfights...its almost a ballet in the sky...fighters capable of supercruise, dancing in the air at speeds that other aircraft would simply fall from the sky if they were to go that slow...cool vid!
Why do you fly Russian aircraft against f-22 in voids?
And why you allow merge with f-22 each time. Wasn't intended for that.
@@russellcooper2195 personally I wouldn't fly anything against an F22...lol...but should the unlikely happen, it would be sort of beautiful to see these two dance in the sky...anyone that knows anything about the capability of the F22 knows that the SU-30SM would be blown from the sky before it even realizes that an F22 was nearby...
@@rxmclaren7 I'd say RoE might cause a situation where an American stealth fighter like the F-22 finds itself up against a Chinese flanker that suddenly decides to go hostile during a peacetime sortie. Don't put it past the Chinese to suddenly attack you when they think they have the advantage and then just as easily put the blame on you for starting the fight and sue for peace as a "responsible power". That is just what the Chinese do. Take it from an Indian.
@@death_parade very fair assessment! Didn't think about that...
There are pilots like you in every Generation.
did you fell every last one of them?
Great quote, unknown skies!
THIS AIRCRAFT IS MY BODY
IF THEY ARE NOT ENOUGH, THEN I MUST PUT MY SOUL INTO IT.
@@champagnegascogne9755 but was it still not enough to take down Three Strikes?
Yesss, perfect to see other AC fans here too
Really would love to see an actual F-22 pilot play some DCS, can't imagine how scary that would be.
They’d probably try doing things that the DCS version won’t allow because most of what it can really do is classified.
@@ezioryder Very true but still can't imagine how insane they'd be doing maneuvers that aren't classified
@@user-dx4hb5le4vthe real plane can do things this one can’t… and vice versa. It wouldn’t be as epic as you might think.
Looked like you were gonna slide right into the ground on that last one, even if he didn't hit you.
He had thrust vectoring... Wouldn't take a sec for him to nose up and firewall the throttle to kill the descending momentum
@@Thorium1996 but wouldn't the thrust push him downward more?
@@beaclaster 3d thrust vectoring he could point the nozzles on an angle pushing him away from the ground.
@@ilyavolkov2556 but if the thrust is going up, wouldn't that just tilt the nose to the ground?
@@beaclaster no... Aircraft behavior is a bit different. There is a CG somewhere near the center of the aircraft.. any force behind the CG acting downwards pushes the tail down, resulting in nose up.. and with high thrust, it moves the aircraft almost in the direction of the nose (upwards)
Yes, this is the fight that I wanted the most. Hope fully in the future there is a mod for the Su-30SM2 which is a Su-30SM with N035 radar and AL-41F-1S engine ( which are the Su-35's radar and engine) for another dogfight with the F-22. Gotta be a more intresting dogfight to see:)
even after such mode with more power engines and radar, SU-35 should still be more effective in air-to-air superiority. The primary reason for Su-30sm upgrade to sm2 is different.
By su-35 you mean su-27m, right?
The end of Round 4 deserves an award for cinematics. (Chef's Kiss!) The end of Round 5 was a maneuver kill IMO. If the Raptor didn't get you the big pine tree directly in front of your "Sabre Dance" was already going to make recovery impossible. Great start to the weekend, thanks for this upload Growling, you are the best!
That’s the new TREE-120 missile the US is fielding. I hear it has a pk of 1! Don’t wanna go up against that OR the DIRT-9
@@Mobius118 Nice! 😂
@@Mobius118 Yeah those are impressive missiles for sure. But it's the WATER-7 missiles that I really fear. They say it's like hitting a wall of concrete. And at night, you may not even know you are flying head on with a WATER-7, and you don't even see it coming!!!
2:39 Proximity fusing: Am I a joke to you?
unfortunately no such thing in dcs
SU-30 was flying pretty well with only one wing. Only departed when you tried to roll it. 😂
I never usually watch any other channels videos all the way through, but with GS I always watch all the way through because its so engaging and the content is so good. Keep it up GS.
Thank you really appreciate that feedback. Very kind.
Seriously... DCS would make an excellent e-Sport. Growling you and the gang should start a DCS league. You can have different era planes every week dogfighting each other, you can have fixed planes fights, BVR fights with same or different planes... Your channel alone is a statement on how varied a DCS league could be.
I don’t think it qualifies for an esport but it should be.
@@cashwilliams23 The potential is there for sure and to become an e-sport all you need is to start competing. The rest will fall into place.
Team air engagements could be interesting too, deathmatches, attack/defend a ground target/transport plane or AWACS
It would be nice to see flight sims move out of the niche and more into the mainstream. Imagine what that would do for HOTAS setups and other controllers? More companies would join in creating more competition hopefully bringing prices down more. Sigh. Alas it won't ever happen.
I dont see it happening since the F22 would reign supreme each time.
Looking forward for su-30sm2. First batch has recently arrived in Russian navy aviation. Su 30 with su 35 engines and avions, while also having the control system from su-57. The last is particularly important, because it made airframe 20-25 % lighter than basic su-30sm, making its flight characteristics better.
Первая партия Су-30СМ2, поступившая недавно в ВМФ, и Су-30СМ2 с авионикой и двигателями от Су-35 - разные самолёты. Первый вариант - это самолёт с только российским оборудованием, по программе импортозамещения. Вариант же с новой авионикой и двигателями начнёт летать только в конце 2022 - начале 2023.
It also comes with an advanced Integrated Electronic Warfare System developed over all the advancements they've earned through Su35 and 57, towed decoys are also reported
It will, in all regards, a 4th and 4.5th gen killer.
That sound like a pretty decent plane... If true
the Russians don't have a carrier, why would they get Su-30's for their navy
@@VoltageLPAFAIK tu22M are bombers for the naval aviation. Russian naval aircraft are not defined by landing on a carrier but on the role they are intended to perform.
Similar to the German Naval Tornados in the 90s.
The lesser pilot seemed to come out on top in this one, which I think makes it pretty clear that the F-22 is the stronger craft. No offense meant, but GS was clearly the better pilot by far in this engagement, but the other pilot was simply flying a better platform.
GS clearly said it comes down to who makes the first mistake which can be seen in the vid
t o be fair, the f22 only has assumed stats and flight model
I disagree. GS made some mistakes here. He could have had 2 more kills here.
The other pilot made soooo many mistakes.
@@Markbell73 I'd like to see it fight a WWI Tri-plane equipped with an armload of Stingers. "Dodge this."
Is there any chance you could do an F-22 VS F-35 BVR fight? I know most of the capabilities in both these aircraft are highly classified, so it wouldnt be too accurate to real life, but it'd still be fun to see if the F-35 can actually take on an F-22 in BVR, seeing as the F-35 is technically more advanced
Well, first and foremost, there is a reason why the F-22 is an air superiority fighter meaning that the F-22 can track a target farther than its adversary while an F-35 complements an F-22 with its sensor and ground targeting system. Therefore, in BVR, an F-22 is better by miles.
The F-35 is newer tho so perhaps a generational improvement in radar technology could narrow the gap?
@@firebirdgaming3595 nah different roles.
I think I suggested that on the 22v35 dogfight, lots of people like to see them matched up for silly reasons but it might make a better fight BVR.
@@NationChosenByGod don’t forget the f-22 seems to be getting a helmet mounted sight in the new upgrade package the raptors are getting
'There are pilots like you in every generation, and I've felled every last one of them'
Whoever the pilot of the Raptor was just didn’t learn, it’s the man in the cockpit that’s the difference.
He kept turning hard before the merge. Once is a mistake but after the second time I was like, what the hell.
The thrust vectoring of the su30sm is out of this world...sometimes the ab flames cross each or go extreme ends
That last round had the most pucker factor of any of the videos I've watched on your channel! Woo!
“My status? Well, I’m feeling a little excited…”
References to other video games aside, it’s been a while since we’ve seen the F-22 in a BVR engagement
"Missile didn't connect... that wasn't the plan."
This felt like Ace Combat
Which is fitting, considering who uses the Su-30SM.
During the second round, when he was talking about killing it on the first turn, I was thinking, "I haven't seen him do that since the MB 339!"
That last round was like two snakes fighting to the death.
It's cool seeing those nozzles move around on the Sukhoi. Great attention to detail.
I was very surprised to see the aerodynamic capabilities of the new sequoia su 30 mod up against the f22 raptor, however in part this was due to who was in the cockpit.
An absolutely superb demonstration of the capabilities of this beautiful Russian fighter aircraft.
Great job and thank you for your videos.
3:06 '' okay i'm good i don't think he hit me ''
* looks back and sees a wing on fire *
yep, that is totally normal
I started busting up laughing at that
GS, in Round 1, after being shot down, barely ejecting in time, hanging from the trees from his parachute “… I put up a good fight against the F22 though”. laughed so hard 😂. Always enjoy the content good sir!
It was a good fight though. Fights against F22 have mostly been one sided. He did give trouble to F22.
And his name is ‘Mihaly Dumitru Margareta Corneliu Leopold Blanca Karol Aeon Ignatius Raphael Maria Niketas A. Shilage’
"Greetings, Growling Sidewinder. I am your archnemesis."
"A skilled pilot capable of challenging me in new and interesting ways?"
"No. I'm an F-22 Raptor."
Hi GS, will you do another 3v3 video ? I loved them with the f-15 and the flankers
“I think i’m good, I think he didn’t hit me”
*checks right wing to see it is on fire*
“oh”
Man DCS is insane. I don't have the guts to play it, but I sure as hell enjoy watching these fights...
3:12 - Holy shit! You almost landed in your own fireball!! LOL!!
ya that ejection was pretty spicy.
Every time I see a Flanker-H, I swear the sky starts singing in Latin. I believe that one pilot's full name was Mihaly Dumitru Margareta Corneliu Leopold Blanca Karol Aeon Ignatius Raphael Maria Niketas A. Shilage. 👑
I would be very delighted if you make videos of dogfight of Indian Su 30 MKI with every other planes you got. That would really be great. Please and thank you all
"I think I put up a pretty good fight" as my flight suit is barbequed from the fireball that used to be my jet. "Yeah that went well". Lold
The F22 dodging the gun in round 2 could've been a scene from the Matrix, along with the close missle shot in round 1.
Why can't they give guns infrared homing or something? Would it break the Geneva convention?
laughed sooo hard at 3:07 when he thought he was good, looked back at wing 1 and saw fire "he hit me," looked back at wing 2 "oh that's not good"
Both of these aircrafts are equally matched. What makes the difference is between pilots and weapons.
We might get to see the real life matchup soon
The power to weight on both of these fighters is insane! Great video
If that was you in the Raptor this fight would’ve been over a lot sooner I’m assuming.
We so badly need a Mihaly skin for this Su-30SM
Mihaly vs Trigger, realistic edition
holy smokes that thing is SICK looking. Love the frame thing on the canopy and the thrust vectoring.
The sink rate on the last kill seemed like it was going to kill you regardless of the missile.
Now I really just want a speculated YF-23 module for DCS. So we can have the real matchup everyone was interested in back in the 90s.
Brown pants moment for F-22 pilot seeing that stream of 30mm feet away from his cockpit at 5:10.
The most important thing these videos have taught me, is the jet at the end of the day is a tool. Its about the pilot
I would love to see a BVR fight between the F22 and the SU57 it would be super interesing and comical
How well would the Su-30SM do against the Su-35? That would be interesting.
Do you know there was a incident in russia 🇷🇺 where a Su 30 sm and Su 35 were on training and a dog fight started. The Su 35 shot down the Su 30 sm with guns in heat of the moment.
@@mrutyunjayapattanaik2662 GOOD LORD!!!!
@@mrutyunjayapattanaik2662 any news to the incident ?
That second round when you were on guns my mind was screaming "NOSE UP NOSE UP"
GS, You got these fights up on the channel !
Thank you so much, always wanted to see the how the tables would’ve turned between the two.
my pleasure, thank YOU for tuning in, Much Love.
@@GrowlingSidewinder This fight requires another video, You were almost there getting the raptor down on every first turn. Pretty sure you would play your cards very well
Best video I watched your videos for last 3 years religiously. Happy to get your upload notifications.
Thank you, I'm grateful for supporters like yourself.
Darn, Growling does a 'George of the Jungle' into a bush after punching out. Ouch.
Looks like Flanker H is probably the best in class of 4.5 gen to take against f22
Both LF flight models so this doesn’t really say anything
HAHA, what a joke! A Ukrainian MIG-29 can down the latest Russian hackware as proven in recent battle.
Anyone else wondering if that car going right-to-left at 11:53 might have been collateral damage in the last kill?
Sidewinder I want to see you in the Su-57, I’ve been waiting to see that dogfight
This is the best dog fight I've seen for the entire channel. And I imagine how a real dog fight might play out b/w these aircraft....
"I don't think he hit me"
Famous last words
3:07 "i think I'm good, I dont think he hit me" turns to see wing engulfed in flames.
The random bread truck at 11:48 made me giggle pretty hard. I imagine a husband and wife delivery team with the wife going "Don't you hear that Earl?? I think there's a dogfight happening" with Earl being like "Shaddup ya old bag. I been drivin' this truck for 43 years. I think I know what an airplane sounds like." then boom. Raptor kill.
the f-22's zoomed in after a kill, just makes them look so much scarier than them defending, imo
One of your most dramatic and intense videos! Had me in the edge of my seat! Good fights.
0:53 move so sick have to watch it 5 times
I feel like if that was long shot it may have been a bit more lopsided but you did great against the raptor not that the aircraft you were in is a slouch by any means especially when in an up close dogfight where the maneuverability of both aircraft are exceptional
That gun shots at 5.08 almost nail it
SM is a much superior fighter in a dogfight. Thrust vectoring, forward canards and more wing per square meter. Exactly what the doctor ordered.
That's my humble opinion.
It's not hard to see why they kept churning out new Flankers, it's got a lot going for it!
That second round escape from that gun burst is something out of a Matrix movie.
cant be mad at either outcome when two sexy jets do the death dance in the air!
The su 30 looks like an angry male goose while the f22 is like a pouncing cat
GS, is there an Su-35 in DCS? If so, would've love to see you fly it against an F-22.
He already made several Su-35 vs F-22 videos
He just stood up in the middle of the *bush* 😂
That last round was juicy! That’s as close it’ll get.
Feels so great to be living in a country whose borders are secured by a Su 30! 😇🇮🇳 What a beast!
I love these close-in tumbling bubble violations. It creates amazing footage. Very fun to watch.
1:42 "I think I got WEZ jammed pretty well here..." - and then GS does not die instantly with a missle to the face! What a plot twist!
Title: "Finally a worthy opponent for the raptor?"
*Intense flashbacks to the F-22 vs. Su-57 video
8:48 That second Fox-2 was for disrespectful purposes only lol
I am positively surprised how well the Su 30 is doing against the F 22
GS, we really dont mind another Su 30 vs F22 video with 10 rounds! It was enthralling! 😃❤
Time & time again you have proven the mantra "its nit the bucket but the man flying the bucket that counts!".......now it's time for you to take up that challenge "cesna vs F22" .
Surprisingly good match-up. Thanks GS!
GS: “Ok, o think i’m good. I don’t think he hit me th…”
*look at the right wing on fire*
The domination of F-22 Raptor has finally ended. Comparing specifications, we can see that Su30SM can tackle the F-22 in many aspects. If they meet 1v1, Su30SM can probably shoot down F22...
on papers :)
You almost got me
NOPE, not possible. Ukrainians have already proven that Russian military aircraft is not that good as bullshitted by Russia. BIG PLUS, an SU-35 was downed by Ukrainian Forces and the targeting system was able to be salvaged for study to British and American engineers in Nevada. Will be interesting to hear how advanced it really is.
@@Photo4Corners not expecting much
Man, what a real treat round 5 was. Great flying!
Su-30SM is currently on a super sukhoi upgrade...
I've been watching several of your videos and this is the first one that really got me on the edge of my seat. Great dogfight!
Boy watching the SU thrust vectoring is one of the coolest yet derpiest things.
Su30 is big but not a sitting duck. It can make the opponent helpless at times. Great fight GS. Love it