Time Alpe D'Huez 01 Long Term Review
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- Опубликовано: 17 сен 2024
- 1987. I was a sophomore in high school, and by that time I’d been riding road bikes seriously for about a year. I had a tri-color steel Schwinn Tempo with either 6 or 7 speed Shimano 105, and I’d just installed my first set of clipless pedals, a pair of Time Sports. At that time, clipless technology was BRAND NEW, like less than a year old, so you might say I was a bit of an early adopter
Alll these years later, the Time brand holds a special place in my heart because these pedals were the first “upgrade” I ever made…to…any bicycle. As a result of my affinity to the brand, I always enjoyed watching the greats like Bettini and Boonen slay the field on their Time frames and when I got my first ‘real’ road bike around 1997 - a Team Saeco Cannondale CAAD4 - I was thrilled to see that the Coda branded carbon fork was manufactured by none other than…you guessed it…TIME.
And then, out of the clear blue sky in 2020, THE GUY WHO SOLD ME THOSE PEDALS in 87 TOLD ME HE JUST BOUGHT TIME BICYCLES. No joke. I can’t make this up. Not long after that he invited me to be a brand ambassador, and sent me a frame - this bright red beauty, my Alpe D’Huez 01. I’ve been riding it for almost a year now, and I’ve even loaned it out to a few buddies - and we all agree: it’s one of the most well-refined road bikes we’ve ever ridden.
And the reason is simple: Time owns literally every step of the manufacturing process from thread to frame. Here’s what I mean: Time is the only brand outside of Asia that owns both the Braided Carbon Structure and Resin Transfer Moulding processes. This allows TIME to control every individual strand of carbon used in the construction of a frame. They’ve been doing this for close to 40 years and as a result they’ve elevated the standard in creating carbon fibre to match the level you find in a Formula One car
There are two key acronyms to remember here: BCS and RTM. BCS stands for Braided Carbon Structure and is Time’s process of weaving braids of fibres into complex bi-directional textiles of fabric. And since they’re weaving the fabric before it’s impregnated with resin they’re able to tune it with different materials - TIME currently choses from 16 filaments to perfectly tailor the carbon layups. The important thing to remember is that this process allows something that is unheard of in the cycling world; continuous, unbroken fibres that run the full length of a tube or structure.
And when the fabric is ready to move to production, Time employs Resin Transfer Molding (RTM) to minimize defects in the composite structure. By injecting resin under high pressure between rigid external and internal molds, air pockets are pushed out and voids between layers are eliminated. That means the resin can only flow where the precise moulds allow and only assume shapes that are intended, meaning RTM quality is extremely high-tolerance, uniform, and consistent yields a beautiful finished product. I’ve seen just about every frame under the sun cut in half, and Time is the only one that looks as beautifully finished on the inside as it does on the outside.
All of this fine tuning translates into a ride quality that can best be described as Refined Responsiveness. Tons of frames have one or the other, or a mix of both but typically when you tip the scales in favor of responsiveness (and stiffness and low weight) you lose REFINEMENT (which includes things like ride quality, compliance, handling, and comfort). A bike like a Pinarello Dogma is all responsiveness, and very little refinement - unless you let some air out of the tires. By contrast, the pegoretti marcelo is certainly responsive, but mostly refined. The Alpe DHuez is the first bike I’ve owned in a long time that creates an almost perfect balance between the two.
It corners and descends like the Dogma, and screams uphill like my old Cervelo R5. But when things slow down or it gets bumpy, the bike isn’t harsh and unmanageable making it really easy to stretch my rides out past 4 and 5 hours. And because it’s tuned for refinement it’s also super versatile: I ran it with 30c tires and my shockstop suspension stem for BWR, and loaned it to my buddy with the same setup for our annual gravel ‘training camp’ here in Temecula: 4 days, 250 miles, and 25000 feet of climbing with a 70/30 mix of road to gravel. Side note: don’t run 30’s with this frame unless you don’t mind scraping off some paint. 28’s are really about as big as you need to go, and if you need something bigger - the new ADHX uses all the same tech with all road geometry and clearance for 38’s.
So, it’s obvious that I really like this bike but to prove it I want to cite one thing - and it’s kind of a big deal: after 6 months of owning the Alpe Dhuez, I sold my beloved limited edition R5, which is a bike I swore I’d keep forever. Nothing I rode ever came close to the R5, but I knew after one ride on the time that the R5’s days were numbered
I own an ADH01 with Campa Record for 2 years. And have the same experience word-by-word.
Nice to hear!!!
I was on the verge of giving up cycling due to severe knee problems just at the time when Time pedals became available. I was sceptical about their claimed benefits but decided to give them a try; problem solved. I have Time to thank for all these years of cycling pleasure. Now I have my eye on the new ADHX.
Me too!
Owned a Time alpe d’ huez 21 for over a year now and its the closest thing to a classic steel frame in feel except it has that light feel and rockets uphill with ease. Super stable and rails downhill!
Beautiful bike.
Man, you nailed what I was trying to express - that’s EXACTLY RIGHT.
Could you describe your bike? What Wheels/stem/handlebar/seatpost you use? Im interested by this bike and its difficult to find review
@@Gigi26500I use 3T 110mm stem and giro d’italia bars. Seatpost is the deda zero that the frame came with frame. Rim brake with campag 11 speed potenza, wheels campag zonda. 54cm size.
Beautiful bike to ride.
I bought my Alp D'Huez last week and I agree with everything you said. I've had many bikes over the past 38 years, very few of them felt incrementally better than the last. This is by and far the best frame I've ridden. I paired it with DA Di2, rim brakes, Pro Vibe stem and bar and, ahem, Lightweight wheels... which I only bought because it's very difficult to find reasonably priced quality wheels right now and I was able to find these locally with just a few miles on them. The bike came it at 14.8 lbs with Wahoo pedals. I couldn't be happier.
I was with you right up to “rim brakes” 🤣🤣 JUST KIDDING!! I’d love to build up a superlight rim brake bike with my Ksyrium Carbon tubulars.
@@AndyClarkRealReviews Lol, well I'm still a little old fashioned I guess. And, as you know, we don't descend for very long around here so not as much of a performance advantage to get disc.
@@cycleark Truth...I still remember your other Time - you let me borrow it for BDB a few years back. What a rocketship!
Just got my ADH21 rim brake built up yesterday and very happy to have found your review. Haven’t got a ride in on yet looking forward to it!
Nice! I’d love to build up a superlight rim brake version with 1x and tubulars
Your story is almost identical to mine, except I was older when started cycling. First time product Time pedals and shoes - thank Pedro Delgado and Sean Yates for those. Next Time carbon fork. Then VXRS frame - Paulo Bettini. Loved that frame. Shopping for Alpe D’Huez now going for unpainted. It will be only Time in the world with the finish for sure. :)
One thing that deserves more coverage, it is build tolerances. If you watch Hambini, you know that very few manufacturers can build a frame with a precise BB shell. He says that Time does this very well.
Truth. It's one of the only frames he's actually PRAISED instead of ripping apart!!
Like you, I was in high school in 87-89 and remember Lemond's Time clipless pedals. I love the history of Time and thinking of getting this AdH 21 in red or white. Good review.
Pull the trigger - you’ll love it!
@@AndyClarkRealReviews Just did w/SRAM Rival e-tap, thanks to your review.
@@quantumdecoherence1289 LOOOOOOOOVE IT!!!!!
TIME bicycles have that magic to them that very very few other brands have. Supper happy they are back.
I agree, but they never left!
@@AndyClarkRealReviews Dunno man, if you ask me under the previous ownership they were as good as gone. Happy to see the things starting to move and surely hope they will improve their distribution.
I live in a country with no TIME distributor. Been trying to buy a Fluidity frame directly from TIME for the last two years without any luck.
What is the point of having a great product when you are unable to sell it?
@@tonyg3091 ahhh, I see. Where do you live? There might be an ecommerce option available.
Ive been riding Time bikes for the past 12 yrs and would not consider any other bike. Truly magical ride quality and responsiveness. For optimal performance pair w Lightweight tubular wheels!
Magical, indeed. Can’t wait to get my hands on the gravel bike!
The 2023 TIME Alpe D’Huez in the all carbon color way is my ultimate dream bike. I like that TIME updated the frame to have full internal routing and finally got rid of the ports on the Down tube that was a major turn off. Now they are gone and it’s internal routing all the way. Bravo TIME! Can’t wait to get my dream bike. I can’t imagine how nice that bike is gonna ride compared to my Ritchey… although I do love my Ritchey. I just need something lighter, smoother, and definitely faster.
You won’t be disappointed!!
Those Time pedals were the best... esp if you ran the Time shoes with them. I started on a blue and white Schwinn Tempo, one model year before yours. It was a great bike, 6 speed 105 with complete crap wheels- Rigida rims (that were NOT rigid) and Mallard hubs. But I rode the poop out of that bike. I did not get the Time pedals until 3 years later when I developed knee issues. The pedals fixed my knee problems. I used them for the next 8 years. Same pedals and shoes.
Nice! My Tempo had Wolblers with 105 hubs. They were absolutely BOMB PROOF!
Got my ADH 01 a few days ago. Built it up with some of my favorite parts. Shimano di2 12 speed, BBInfinate ceramic bottom bracket. Used my Zipp 303/404 firecrest wheelset with Vitoria Corsa pros 28/30mm. Very nice riding bike on my short 35 mile ride. Can’t wait to put some real miles on it. Thanks Andy
Very nice!
Really appreciate all the info, including your generous amount of replies in the comments as well. This is very helpful to those considering a Time, even helpful to many already owning one.
Glad to be of service! 🫡
My local bike shop is now a selling this Time frame set and the point which resonates with me the most is Time own the entire process. After the last 2 years will not buy a Wilier, Specialised or Bianchi if it’s made in China. If they’re going to change top dollar it must be made in house.
It’s well worth it. This is a top-notch frame and you can really feel the difference.
@@AndyClarkRealReviews thanks for confirming my purchase.
or the traitors and deception artists at specialized/trek/wilier etc can sell those southeast asia sweat shop bikes bikes for $300 instead if the $6,000 they're charging
i having been riding the disc ADZ01 w the Aktiv fork since the fall - it is an amazing bike - perfect in every way, comfortable, stiff, refined, great handling, solid build- it's truly perfect - and oh, the carbon weave.....it's stunning - just oh, so good....weighs about 16.75 lbs w pedals and cages....i run 25mm tires on the back and 23mm on the front - it's awesome - not the lightest, but this is better than my Colnago in every way....Viva Le France!
Still rocking a Time VXR with Campy 10. Great products and completely different than most of the industries norms. Different is better in this case. Great video!
A true classic!!
Been riding time since time began
Have a Time RXR new in the box. Bought it in 2009. Back when they were still made in France. Obviously, haven’t ridden this one, but the RXR is one nice riding bike. Some of the old Cyfac models are too.
You're one lucky guy! That's 1 of my dream bikes!
It’s definitely dreamy! 🥰
@@AndyClarkRealReviews If you get a chance to talk to that owner of Time Bicycles again, ask them if there's a distributor in Canada..because I can't find any here!
@@dcee604 La Bicicletta in Toronto!
@@lucasala2045 Yeah, I should have been more specific, hoping for a dealer on the West Coast of Canada.
I've seen snap shots from Slovakian TIME factory with new colour schemes for the whole range of TIME frames 2023. Very classy, stunning metalic colours and combinations!
Hey, can we check them online ?
Excellent review! Thank you!
you're welcome!
@@AndyClarkRealReviews I have had one call with a Time rep already today and we are talking again in an hour. I was hit by a truck 10 days ago and my Wilier is toast. I am very interested in their bike! Thanks again!
@@jimcourson8390 Ugggghhhhh. Man, I hope you're ok! Tell the guys at Time I said hello!!
Hey Andy, interesting timing for your video! I’ve been having a lot of thoughts about Time in the past few months. Their older frame finishes didn’t really work for me and as I’m aesthetically driven I opted to wait. The new finishes are so classy!
I’m after a frame for a full Campagnolo rim brake build. I’m not wanting to over capitalise on a rim frame as it’s more just to tick the campy box. However I’m also so impressed by Time that I’m considering a double purchase and getting a disc frame also.
So a few questions:
1. Do you have any thoughts or experience with the Alpe d,Huez 21 versus the AdH 1?
2. Did you try the time carbon bars at all? I see you had an alternative bar on your bike in the video. They look pretty sweet.
3. Have you tried the regular fork, as opposed to Activ fork?
Thanks for your review.
Hey Joel! Yeah, I spent a weekend on the ADH1 and it's really close but I could definitely feel a difference in the responsiveness column. The Time bars are amazing, but the bend shape didn't work for me (they are too deep). Lastly, stick with the Activ fork. It's the real deal and makes a difference for sure (you can also remove the damper to reduce weight, but it's only like 50g).
So, when does start the review?
I like to tell a story! Stick with me, I'll get there eventually 😛
Just ordered a green ADHX like the one in the video, can't wait for it to arrive. Will be a road build, it will take a while to get it done but hopefully worth the wait.
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What i would like to know: How about the weight of the frame? Is it yet a rim brake version? These days with almost every frame having disc brakes, the weights increased step by step. We are now at frame weights about a 1000 Grams, whereas just a few years ago people (including me) were looking for frames getting way beyond this line. With the „disappearance“ of rim brakes also the quest for the lightest frame seem to have disappeared. Nowadays marketers call a complete bike with just under 8 kgs „lightweight“, which is almost ridiculous i.m.o.
Other than weight, how does the ADH compare to the ADHX if you ran both with 28 mm high quality supple tires? The geometry looks very similar.
They’re very close, performance-wise. How will you be using it?
@@AndyClarkRealReviews All on road. Some very rough. I have 1971 Bob Jackson Reynolds 531, w/full Campy, 32 mm Rene Herse extra-light tires, TPU inner tubes, 63 psi. Comfortable, quick, classic stage race bike but HEAVY. 1987 Vitus 1987 (Sean Kelly's ride) w/fully Campy. Love the ride, good handling, but max tire is 25 mm, 85 psi. Not good for rough roads. Recent top of the line Trek Domane w/Dura-Ace Di-2 12 speed, 38 mm Rene Herse extra light, measure 42 mm, 38 psi. Ride is not as comfy as the Bob Jackson. Sluggish handling, and about 2 pounds heavier than an equivalent non-endurance carbon. Basically looking for quick handling, light weight, dance on pedals during climbs, and chip seal, tar strip comfort on 4-5 hr rides. Going to trade the Domane for ADH or ADHX. Would like to test ride, but no dealers any where near Indianapolis.
NO racing!
@@brucelulu829 TBH from a performance angle, they're almost identical. I'd take a good look at the ADHX over the ADH. Exploring wider tires is a lot of fun, and can lead to new roads and new adventures.
@@AndyClarkRealReviews Thanks! A little reluctant to drop thousands w/o a test ride 😲
I’m still on a 2013 SuperSix Evo hi mod, which I know was a favorite of yours Andy way back when. Part of the joy of this bike of course is that in addition to its stiffness in the right spots and awesome ride, it’s also comically lightweight (mine is 14.5 with cheating titanium speed plays).
I’m looking at these Time bikes as a possible new bike option so curious how you can relate the Time to that old Cannondale? Also, was the R5 a huge step up from that Evo, as that’s also on my shortlist….
I would step over the R5 to get to the Alpe D'Huez, and I actually did: I sold my R5 disc a few months after I built up the Time. The SuperSix is an amazing frame, but at the end of the day it's lacking the smooth refinement of the ADH. "Ride Quality" can be hard to define, but you definitely KNOW it when you feel it - and the ADH delivers the most vintage-steel like ride I've ever experienced on a carbon bike, without sacrificing any of the gains of a modern carbon frame. And yes, I stole that analogy from another commenter because he said it better than me!!
@@AndyClarkRealReviews I saw in the video that you jumped ship for the ADH, yeah, and it was clear how much that meant to you. And really if this ADH is supposed to ride like my steel De Rosa Primato (the '95 with the Columbus OS tubing which is sooooo sweet) then that's pretty impressive and makes me very curious!
but will it come with the same weight penalty and the lesser stiffness from, say, bottom bracket through rear chain stays that made this EVO so damn efficient?
I admit I'm spoiled at this point and the thought of paying out many thousands for a bike that weighs 17lbs makes my heart stop a bit! I'm too slow to add further riding penalties :)
@@lostincosmos I'm of the opinion that at some point, lower weight equals diminishing returns. The ADH is 960 grams, and the SSE is 650. You can easily find 300g elsewhere, but honestly it won't make you either faster or slower. Aerodynamic and mechanical resistance gains can far "outweigh" the 300g. Wheel/tire setup alone can make up the difference, even if it's heavier! I'd recommend spending some time with the Marginal Gains podcast to better understand where I'm coming from.
@@AndyClarkRealReviews thanks, I'll check that out as I'm reading up and I found this morning a discussion somewhere else with some stats that showed weight savings was minimal in terms of watts saved. so I might just have a mental hurdle to hop over to get over it :)
Always appreciated your insight, and you should know you're one of the reasons I bought the SSE in the first place as you were gracious enough to even speak with me on the phone when you were at speedgoat I think it was and I was shopping. you called the SSE a beast and once I test rode it was shocked at what it delivered. (I didn't buy through you, sorry, I got a package deal as my wife got a MTB at a local shop and they offered a "holy @#*! price" on the SSE that I jumped at).
so, thanks for still contributing your reviews and knowledge!
@@AndyClarkRealReviews sorry for the blast from the past. but I'm now an owner of a 2023 Time Alpe and after only a few short miles, I absolutely 100% understand your love for this bike. it really is as comfy as steel as you and another person were saying in another comment, and yet I think the stiffness in the bottom bracket/chainstay area won't leave me wanting for the SS EVO I'm coming from.
could not be happier. thanks once again for helping me head the right direction for my next bike.
Hey Andy, I’ve been looking at a rim brake version of this frame, but live in an area with terrible road surface. Would you recommend this with 25mm tyres? (Assuming this is the max clearance for a rim frameset). Thanks! (PS Life long fan. I’ve watched your videos from the very beginning, from around 12 years old!)
Hey Harry! Thanks for sticking with me all this time - I guess you’re in your mid 20’s now?? Anyway: I’d go with tubeless 28’s. Your rim brakes should have plenty of clearance
Would 30s work on Fulcrum wheels that run slightly narrow (19mm internal)?
Would they 'work'? Yes. Would you scratch up the paint? Yes, probably. Not advised - stick with 28's!
How does the ALp Duez compare to the Scylon? Which do you prefer? Have you tried both?
I haven't ridden the Skylon, unfortunately!
Thank you....
You seem like you have a lot of knowledge about Time bikes.
I'm considering buying one, but am not quite sure wether i should go for the adh01, or the new adh disc 2023.
Is this new bike now considered their top level frame in terms of stiffness / weight etc, or is that still the adh01?
The 2023 ADH disc is their new updated flagship bike. ADH01 is slightly different and ADH21 is a step down. ADH01 is on sale right now and probably the best value
ADH disc 2023 has different composite combination, using new formula with Dyneema, I believe it is less stiff than ADH01, however they both share HM Carbon & Vectran fibres, but in different proportion. I wil have in next few days the latest frameset ADH 2023, so it will be tested on the road.
@@MrSzwarz Please give us your feedback😎
Hiii Andy I’m actually racing The Alpe D Huez triathlon in July next year - fairly new to the cycling bit and I was told I’d benefit from trading in my Blue Rim brake climbing bike for the alpe d huez… I’m 5ft so hard to find a good bike w all the favorite specs,,,, can you tell me your thoughts on which ADH I should look into more - thank you
Hey Shana! I checked out your channel...do you live in Chicago? I lived there for a few years and would happy to recommend a good shop/community of cyclists to help you on your journey. As for the bike - if I'm looking at the right course map, it appears to be flat until you hit the famous climb...and then it's all uphill! TBH, your rim brake bike should be just fine from a braking and weight perspective. I'd spend my money on other upgrades like a lighter set of wheels/tires and maybe an aero helmet and a good aero clip on for the flat section. Of course, I won't talk you out of getting the ADH (because it's amazing) but for me, there's other things to spend your money on. Like an upgrade to biz or first class for the flight over :-P
I'm a bit puzzled about that comment regarding tire clearance. Time writes on its homepage max. tire size is 28C - 30mm. I want to run Enve 4.5 AR Disc wheels and 28mm tires which I expect to balloon to 30mm. If these don't fit, then that is not the frame for me unfortunately. Everything else I'd really like about the ADH1. It is 5mm shorter than my Tarmac SL6 and has a higher stack. As I am more legs than torso this would allow me to run a longer stem and less spacers under it. But the tire clearance seems to be a dealbreaker unfortunately :(
Will they (air quotes) fit? (air quotes)...yes: to the naked eye, there appears to be plenty of clearance on a 30c when the bike is stationary or in the stand. However, when the tires, wheels, and frame flex (as they should) under normal use, the 30c tires will ABSOLUTELY rub on the frame. It's light, and imperceptible, but it happens (and I have the bald spots on my frame's paint to prove it). Go for the new ADHX if you want something with more range.
@@AndyClarkRealReviews Thank you for the fast response. Really appreciate your engagement here in the comments to give your real world experience of the frame. I already ride a steel gravelbike and have no intention on getting a second gravelbike. I will wait on TIME to update their ADH1 and Scylon with the new bio based dyneema internal cable routing and tire clearance to safely run a 30mm. This seems like a must in 22/23 and going forward as I don't see myself ever running a mechanical group or narrower tire than 28 ever again.
@@o0o0o0o0o01 Couldn't agree more - they need to push the clearance on the next generation, and make a few other changes (the fork is gimmicky, IMO).
Just bought my first time...coming off of a specialized tarmac
You're gonna love it!
I have a 2018 comp sport. Love it. But, lately I have been hearing a clicking noise from the crankshaft. Super annoying.
@@PeterSdrolias that could be one of a thousand things, tbh, none of which are the frame. I would suggest a partial tear-down and thorough cleaning and greasing of all the contact points: skewers and dropouts front and rear, pedal axles, chainring bolts, rear derailleur bolt etc. if it’s all dirty and hasn’t been serviced in a while the creak may be from somewhere else. If that doesn’t work then pull/clean/grease the crank and BB. You should also apply a fresh coat of carbon paste to the seat rails, seatpost and stem for good measure. I do this at least 4x a year with all my bikes.
It could be a range of things from hub to pedals. Maybe see what a mechanic thinks. Hopefully you can sort this.
Im so curious on time yet there are zero reviews or local dealers.
Zero? Does mine not count? 🤣
@@AndyClarkRealReviews hahah well I meant like more than just one! I’m curious on the scylon. But I’m glad I found your review at least! Thanks!
Hi Andy -- thanks for the great review! Quick question: does the 30mm tire "scrape paint" on both front AND rear? I have grown to like running a 28 on the front and a 30 on the rear of my current bike, hence the question. Thanks!
Yep, it does. Much more up front though. Stick to 28 F/R on this one. I’ll lobby them for more tire clearance on future models 😃
@@AndyClarkRealReviews Ha.... good luck on that one! Their manufacturing process does not lend itself to "whipping up some new molds". 😳
Wax molds for the cores and outer molds for the RTM process/cure...... for each size.
Yikes!
If you could encourage them to support up to 32s or so on the next gen, that would be awesome! You would be my hero!
@@agie170hss2 Im on my second time now. I went with an Alpe 01 disc. I ran 28mm schwalbe pro ones on my enve AR 4.5s, and I got rub. These wheels have a 25mm internal width, so keep in mind wheel and tire combinations when fitting it out. Hopefully they up their tire clearance asap.
Just build my first 01. What's the solution for getting the headset cover (page 10 of the manual) to not turn with the steerer tube/handlebars?
Unfortunately, there isn't a solution - it's going to move around when you turn the bars. One small flaw on an otherwise PERFECT frame, IMO.
What specifically do you like better about the time vs your Cervelo R5. The Cervelo is lighter and I can't imagine why a racer would want this time fork that adds weight. I am looking at the R5 and waiting bfor Willier and Colgnago to come out w new models. Curious as to what year your R5 was and what wheels you are/we're running on both bikes. I'm intrigued by the Time even though the frame shape looks dated and I wonder how much R&D they are actually doing now and if they will update this alpe de huez model in 2023 or not. Any insights you can share would be appreciated as there aren't many European made options left for carbon bikes these days. Cheers
Hi Mark, I was on a 2018 R5 Disc with ENVE 4.5AR's which was slightly more harsh across bumpy and choppy roads. The ride on the R5 was also more noisy and felt a little more like plastic than wood, if that make sense? The Time, overall, is a smoother more muted ride with quick but less racy handling. I don't expect a 2023 update, but I know they're deep in R&D for a refresh of the model in 24 or 25.
Fantastic bike!
Any weight limits, or perfectly suitable for a 96 kg rider?
It's ok go for it they claim 120kgs
Alison Tetrick would be a great guest for your pro cyclist podcast. Alison has won DK 200, sells really cool bandannas AND even laughs at my Dad Jokes.
Man, I’d love that. She was really good on The Forward/Move with Lance and George. I met her briefly at Nosco a few years back and told her “You know, you’re much taller in person!” 🤣
I'd really like to hear your opinion on the 2023 Alpe D'Huez
OK, I'll see if they'll send me one! Haven't ridden it yet.
@@AndyClarkRealReviews The line up is shaping pretty nicely. If I were Time I'd do away with 01 and 21 (sorry but keeping only 1 ADH makes more sense), increase the tire clearance of ADHX and tweak the geometry to make it even more gravel, bring back the Fluidity (this is one of the best names for an endurance bike in the Universe) with 32 mm clearance and then laugh all the way to the bank.
I rode a TIME RX Instinct in college and it was my favorite bike I have owned to date. Currently riding a 54cm Allez Sprint that I feel good on and comparing geo charts it seems like the headtube lengths on the Time are consistently taller which would lead one to believe a more relaxed fit (comparing the 54 Allez 133mm to a small Time 149mm HT length). The Time also has a much shorter reach and taller stack so I am wondering how "racey" this bike rides compared to the Allez if you have any experience. I am looking at purchasing a ADH 01 frame but am having a hard time determining size with no dealer close to me. Time's charts would lead my 175cm build to a medium but the geo specs seem way too big compared to my Allez. Any recommendations or experience here?
I would send this question to the guys at Time. They can help! Try info@timebicycles.com
For what its worth, I just bought and built a ADH 01 size SMALL. I'm 175 cm and here is my current setup. Saddle height is 70cm, 100mm -6 degree stem with 15mm spacers, Power Pro saddle setback 8cm (standard saddle setback 5cm). My previous bike was a Tarmac SL6 Pro disc size 54, and after having professional bike fit I had it setup as follows, saddle height 70cm, 90mm -6 degree stem with 10mm spacers, Power Pro saddle setback 8cm (standard saddle setback 5cm). You can review the Tarmac geometry for yourself but you will see that the Small ADH01 and the 54 Tarmac are practically identical except for the reach in which ADH01 is 11mm shorter. At first glance at ADH01 geometry I would agree stack seems tall for a racy bike, but after digging into it I now think that its more that the reach is short because it is intended to be run with a longer stem as part of the overall design and one should be sizing down to match desired stack height. So instead of buying a MEDIUM and running with a 100 stem, one should be be buying a SMALL and running with a 110mm stem thus achieving the equivalent of a Tarmac size 54 with a 100 stem (stock). If you look on the Time US site and look at the "complete bikes", you will see that the SMALL size comes with a 110mm stem stock. Like all bike sizing charts its just a starting point, and probably for a beginner, the sizing recommendations are more applicable as they will sit more upright etc. For me personally, I actually debated between the SML & XS sizes. Since the reach was the same, it became a function on stack height, but XS was a bit too low for me. Again for what its worth, if your current Allez setup is similar to my Tarmac setup, I say go with size SMALL or even XS if you want to get really low.
BTW - I have been out on a few rides and I will say the ADH 01 did not disappoint, it is superb in all aspects. I will post a more in depth review of the bikes performance on here in the coming days.
@@brianwestcoat280 great to hear! I would caution other readers to buy a bike that suits their individual measurements, though. Bike fit, as you know, involves more than just a height measurement - and like snowflakes, no two human bodies are exactly alike. You could have a short torso with long arms, long arms with a long torso, Long legs and short arms with a regular size torso etc. etc. etc. my recommendation is always to consult with your local bike fitter to ensure you end up on the right size.
Beautiful video, I have been eyeing a time Scylla or Alpe, but what is the difference between alpe dhuez 01 and 21? Can they handle 80kg high torque riders, any flex?
Thank you! The 21 has a slightly less expensive carbon, with better overall compliance. I’ve ridden both, and the 21 is smoother and a little less responsive- but not much! It’s still an extremely agile bike.
And yes, either would be stiff enough for a rider your size.
How is the geometry for setting up your bike fit? I have a H2 fit on my Trek so it is a relaxed fit.
This is a race bike, so the geo isn't relaxed at all.
@@AndyClarkRealReviews Ok, thanks for reply.
Besides maybe color schemes, there is nothing to "update" in design of technology, or build of Alpe d'Huez bikes... The rest of brands have to do it every year, trying to improve design, or QC.
Hey Andy! Does TIME still make RIM brake bike? Thank you🙂
Yes, they sure do
@@AndyClarkRealReviews thank you i’ll check it out then!
My dealer recommends a size M with my 182cm. He says, the Time frames are comparably large. In contrast, the Time website says „L“.
Any thoughts on this topics by you? Unfortunately, my dealer does not have different sizes to compare…
As a certified bike fitter with over 1000 fits under my belt, I can confidently say that asking for sizing advice via comments on a RUclips video isn't a great strategy. In this case, I will defer to your dealer because they've seen you in person and measured you properly to fit the bike. However, I would ask what the comparison is? Time is large compared to what?
@@AndyClarkRealReviews yes, you‘re certainly right 😂 …. And I’m tending to consult a professional bike fitter now.
Comparably large means that other companies call frames of similar sizes „L“ whereas Time‘s calling them „M“. Similar observation with e.g. Ridley vs some Italian brands.
@@hallodidldu got it...as long as you remember a centimeter is the same regardless of the manufacturer, you're in good shape! 🙂
Andy, is there much difference in ride quality between ADH 01 and ADH 21?
They’re equally smooth, but I found the 01 to be snappier under hard acceleration, and generally more responsive. NOT BY MUCH, but it’s noticeable
@@AndyClarkRealReviewsI just scored the last ADH21 rim brake for $1799?brand new from TIME. I feel like a thief!
Boom!!
@@AndyClarkRealReviews Appreciate your recommendation. First new bike in a decade.
how's the compliance vs. stiffness?
I address that here as “refinement vs responsiveness” and in the case of the Alpe, it’s extremely well-balanced.
Hey Andy, i own the same cervelo r5 disc with the same paint, you mentioned that you decided to go with time ADH after only one ride, that to me it's quite surprise to hear; like you, i really like the cervelo r5 and to me that most two outstanding characteristics of r5 are 1.responsiveness in transferring power and 2.agility in handling, only one noticeable downside is its harshness on riding, you almost feel every little bump on the road, but i guess that's also another manifestation of 'responsiveness'... anyway, i would really like to know what's about the so-called 'ride quality' in your experience that completely out-run the cervelo r5 then led to such a decisive switching choice.
You nailed it when you mentioned the noticeable downside: the harshness. The ADH replaces harsh with smooth, and doesn’t sacrifice any performance.
@@AndyClarkRealReviews damn, that for sure is something, how about the handling, i noticed that the ADH actually got quite large trail compares with r5 at the similar size, i really like the agile feeling on R5 when getting out of the saddle, you can just rock the bike left and right smoothly with such an ease, unlike my trek emonda slr, it handles a little bit sluggish when out of the saddle and lacking that lively feeling, you can easily feel that when riding with no-hand, emonda slr can be kept straight really easily. do you think that the Time ADH is on the lively side like r5 or on the more stable/sluggish side like emonda slr?
@@willyturing1803 R5 is on the nervous and nearly twitchy side of the spectrum, but that’s because it’s supposed to be; it’s an ultra responsive, pro-caliber superbike. From 25MPH to 45MPH it’s a DREAM. That was one of my favorite features TBH. The ADH won’t feel as muted as the mass-appeal Trek, but it’s definitely not as quick to respond to input as the R5. If this story was Goldilocks and the three bears, the Trek is too cold, the R5 is too hot, and the ADH is just right - at any speed.
@@AndyClarkRealReviews I think i'm gonna get the ADH, i haven't ridden the new r5(fully internal cable version), not sure what's the difference, but damn i just love this old version, not sure if i'd want to let it go though, i was actually considering new scott foil 2023 so that i have full reasons to justify keeping my r5, but it seems now the chance of me getting ADH is much bigger and doesn't make sense to keep two climbing bikes. And also not sure if the ADH 2023 version actually allow me to run 30mm tires(measured, 28mm claimed). Because i seriously couldn't tell the real difference between 2022 ADH 01 and 2023 ADH. And also would love to see how do you compare with ADHX.
@@willyturing1803 soooo, when you start to talk about tire clearance and the X, that’s a whole different conversation. So, can we back up and talk about your intended use?
That fork looks like something you’d never want to cut! Any tips when cutting it? Cheers
Have you cut a steerer tube before?
Yep.
@@finnnation ok, good! Same process, nothing out of the ordinary.
Cheers mate.
Nice video, thanks for sharing.
I am interested in the ADHX size XL frame but wanted to check the maximum weight limit before committing to a purchase. Local agent stated there was no limit. Messaged Time through there website - no reply. All structures have static and dynamic load limits.
Does anyone how I can find out the weight limit for light gravel?
Other brands (Trek, Specialized, Canyon, Marin, etc.) do have figures for different types of frames and class of riding.
Crap my wife is gonna be pissed.
🤣
How does it ride compared to the Aethos?
Haven’t ridden an Aethos, unfortunately
Can you help about the sizing? whats your size and bike's size. Iam 172 /79 inseam / 177 hands lenght , bikestore suggest me XS but i see at site iam between S and M.
Thx in advance !
No, I defer to your local shop. Sizing a bike via comments on a RUclips video is a recipe for disaster. Hands on, in person is the ONLY way to fit a bike.
@@AndyClarkRealReviews Thanks for the review. I'm considering this bike after riding a Trek Madone 2010 in a 56. I'm in Dallas. The closest distributor is in Little Rock. Struggling with how to spend so much without getting my hands on a bike before I commit, especially because of fit. Any suggestions?
Is it possible 28c tire? I want bring the comfort
Yes. 28c is the max.
Actually had someone riding with 30c
@@valuableblu yes, the 30’s will fit but the tire will contact the frame under power. If you like your paint job, I wouldn’t do it. Trust me. Because I did. 🤦🏼♂️
@@AndyClarkRealReviews very true. It's luckily hidden scratches 😂
@@valuableblu dude, it’s much worse than just scratches: took the paint off down to the carbon. Not advised!!
Hey Andy，may I ask to know the standover for your ADH？The Local dealer do not support the size to me，So if you have free time to measure，Please let me know. Thanks！
Happy to measure but mine is a Medium. Is that the frame size you need? If not, then my measurement won’t help.
@@AndyClarkRealReviews yep，I need the M size standover，Thanks！
@@yuanjames1633 it's a sloping top tube, so at the seat tube juncture it's 78cm. In the middle it's 81.5cm, and right behind the head tube it's 84
@@AndyClarkRealReviews Thanks Andy，now i can make sure my size fits M，very appreciate！
All good, but why bb is sooo high? This is the reason I did not take it
Great question, and I'm not sure why they made that decision. What are you comparing it to?
@@AndyClarkRealReviews I checked a lot of bikes (major brands and boutique) and as far as I know non of them has that high BB, even in biggest sizes. Majority are between 70 and 75mm drop. I pay attantion to this as I have Basso Palta 1 which has perfect geo for both road and fast gravel, except 65mm BB drop (same as Alpe D Huez). I can really feel it is too high in road bike mode, especially used with shorter crankarms. I cannot tell for sure that 5-10mm make a huge difference, but teoretically with 73 degree head angle bb maybe a bit lower for better security on descends. It is only my experience/feel, so I may be mistaken.
Thanks for the brilliant review. I'm hoping that as a TIME brand ambassador it ok to ask for your opinion/advice. I've pretty much talked my self into the ADH frameset, but trying to decide between 01 and 21. I had been eyeing frames from Chpater2, Factor, Open etc, but am intrigued and impressed with Time's manufacturing process and quality.
My current bike is 2020 Spec Tarmac SL6 Pro Disc Force AXS size 54, Roval CL50, Pirelli PZero Race 28cc run tubeless @ 72/67psi. I'm 5'9" 170lbs. I don't race but do rack up about 150 mile/week on NorCal roads. I love this bike and am very comfortable with ride quality performance etc. but am looking for something new. I will be moving virtually all componentry over from this SL6 onto new ADH. Have a few concerns/questions. I'm looking for any excuse to buy the 01 but am concerned it might be to firm/harsh of a ride compared to my SL6. I know Activ fork is an option, but it seems not readily available in US and I'm not ecstatic about the additional cost and weight so I'd rather stick with regular fork (although my new authorized dealer in Berkeley, CA thinks they can get it not problem) I know from your review you had an RC5 which I believe to be similar to Sworks SL6, so just looking for your thoughts if you think that my ADH 01 disc with the above mentioned componentry will be similar in terms or performance/compliance but with with that extra refinement from the superior quality from Time manufacturing method etc., or if its just too racy and I'd be better off going with ADH 21. One other thing to mention is that per my fit, I have to run a 90mm stem on my SL6 and per ADH geometry, actually looks like will be a slightly better fit for me and I will be able to run a 100mm stem. ON a side note, I also have a 2020 BMC Roadmachine 02 Three as my more endurance/light gravel bike so the ADH will really be my "let's go fast/fun" bike.
Thank you in advance for your time/thoughts/guidance.
Hey Brian, thanks for the note. I haven't spent any time onboard the Tarmacs, so I couldn't make a direct comparison to that specific line. However, I've spent time on just about everything else (Dogmas, Factors, Cervelos, etc) and the Time really stands out from the crowd. I honestly didn't know how rigid/stiff/chattery those other bikes were until I got on the ADH - one of my other viewers @MattTTT commented below that "...its the closest thing to a classic steel frame in feel except it has that light feel and rockets uphill with ease" and for me that sums it up; it's smooth and muted when it needs to be, but fast as a Ferrari when you punch it. It's truly comfortable and performant at any speed, unlike the Dogma or R5's which only come to life above 40kph/25mph. Will it "perform" "better" than your SL6? Maybe. Will it be an overall better riding experience? Hell yes. I say pull the trigger!
@@AndyClarkRealReviews DONE!!! Just put down deposit on ADH 01 in Blue, hopefully will be arriving in few days. After I get it built up I'll post a first ride review comment and a follow-up review after I've done all my usual rides and have really gotten a feel for it. Thanks for the thoughts.
@@brianwestcoat280 Hey Brian. I just wanted to shoot you a quick text, I just got my "Blue ADH 01" built up a week ago. It's fantastic! You will not be disappointed.
Enjoy the ride.
Chris Spence.
@@christopherspence9109 Congrats Spence. Yes, I've had mine now for about three weeks and put on about 350 miles. It is superb!!! Its really hard to articulate just how good it is. I do like Andy's comment about not realizing "how rigid/chattery the other bikes are in comparison to the Time ADH 01". It is so solid feeling, that it makes the other bikes feel like they are made from plastic, and the Time is made from steel, yet is still just as light. Truly unapparelled performance/ride quality combination.
Hello Andi I wanna bike shop in San Marcos. I’d like to get a closer look at your Time bicycle
Hi George, I'm not sure I understand. Could you clarify your request?
@@AndyClarkRealReviews as in since you're close to me I would like see your Time in person. I am considering becoming a dealer.
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad Ahhhhhh, got it! Send an email to realreviewswithandyclark@gmail.com and we'll figure something out. I'm probably coming down next week to pre-ride the BWR course.
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Doesn't Giant do the same way with their carbon fiber and everything ? 28 max tire is a deal breaker for me, I'm too used to 30 now.... :-(
I'm not sure about Giant, but I hear ya on 30's!
Giant builds great bikes but they do not have access to the same techniques used in automotive and aerospace. They use prepreg sheets to build frames on an inflatable mold, which is the technique used by almost ALL other manufacturers. Andy does a great job describing the unique technologies that TIME uses.
@@TheTimeSport Well done for being more active and more responsive to your customers. A huge improvement over what Time as a company was a mere 2 years ago. Keep it up! FWIW I will soon support you with ordering the new ADH frame. In red. Which is absolutely gorgeous.
There is nothing even close to TIME bikes it's technology, experience and quality build. Only LOOK (but old school carbon layup) qualitywise.
The more I ride it, the more I agree!!
You lost me at Ambassador. Time is the worst company to get a hold of its like they dont care about anyone owning one of their bikes.
What’s the issue? I’m happy to connect you with them directly - they’re also on RUclips at TheTimeSport
That's not true anymore. In the past they were indeed like that but under the new ownership things seem to have changed.