It's been days. I still can't get over how dumb this is. The quote from that square enix dev, saying that Clive is by far the best FF character, to fit in a fighting game, keeps me awake at night
I don't know I've been playing FGs for a lot of years and I liked it! Kind of depends on how you see it. Still at the end of the day most season passes and DLCs are connected to OGs, like the first 3 characters of season 1. But the point of guest characters is kind of to connect with a different audience, so it makes sense a lot of people that play Tekken mostly or are exclusively Tekken players didn't like it that much. If you enjoyed the video, please consider giving it a like and subscribing, it helps me a lot. Have a nice weekend!
I respect that my problem is the salty tifa fans. Wanting something different is fane but demanding it to be tifa is insane. Personally i just see him as a better noctus
Clive was an odd choice for T8’s first guest character. Not only is Clive not a popular character among the FF fandom, but Square Enix considered FF16 a commercial failure. Clive would’ve been more at-home in Soul Calibur.
Sadly Soul Calibur is dead and not coming back anytime soon after the sales of SC 6. I personally think Clive is a fine guest, I would prefer Sephiroth, Cloud from FF or even someone like Iori from KOF, but I think Clive seems cool and interesting. I do believe though that we will get more guest characters, so it is just fine that I believe. Hopefully Soul Calibur comes back also lol! If you enjoyed the video, please consider giving it a like and subscribing, it helps me like crazy! Have a great weekend bro!
The thing is i love that its clive is here. We had alot of tifa, clowd and sefaroth. The thing is there are people like clive. Also the sword argument is STUPID cuz Yoshimitsu is a thing.
I mean, that is not a "direction", that is the development philosophy of the game since it came out and it's probably not going to be different in the long term. It is very clear that it is kind of like the goal of the devs for the game to be like that. We gotta see what season 2 brings for the game, I have a video discussing that in any case you want to check it out! If you enjoyed the video, please consider giving it a like and subscribing, it helps me a lot. Have a nice weekend!
I disagree that we as players have to accept bullshit characters "because is fun for the casuals", tell that to the hardcore players who bought the season pass as a token of trust to the developers. The concept of fun to the core audience comes from competition, if we wanted to throw lasers and summon dragons we would be playing Dragon Age, not a fighting game.
Which is why its called a guest character. There truly isnt any pleasing people like you. I personally stopped playing the game because they just cant balance for shit but i might start again for him. But i feel that in general nowadays devs, creators, and artists just cant please people. They cant ever win no matter what they do.
Its two ways either people complain because they wanted their character and didnt get it like every single time or in this case people actually wanted tifa but we got clive instead even though nobody asked for him. Im in the tifa camp ive wanted tifa in tekken since we got akuma so as much as i want tifa and believe me i still do since she is from ff7 my favourite game of all time and her and cloud are my two favourite final fantasy characters it sucks she didnt get in but at the same time im still happy we atleast get a good character and for the people complaing about him having a sword just stop like come on we have yoshimitsu kunimitsu raven master raven victor noctis all in tekken you never complained about them then so dont start now.
I Think a lot of the reason it is getting backlash is the fact that people begged for Tifa Lockhart, And they did not give the fans that, instead we Got Clive I don't hate Clive but I do agree that I think Tifa would have been a better pick :)
Tifa a good choice but isn’t her fighting style kinda mid? Besides whether they like it or not, Clive or Tifa, they will get bored regardless and not play them again.
Tifa’s fighting style is far from "mid" it’s rooted in her signature martial arts techniques, showcasing explosive power, speed, and fluidity. Her Limit Breaks and combos in Final Fantasy VII are iconic and would translate exceptionally well into Tekken’s fast-paced gameplay. Imagine her moves being reworked into a Tekken-style system, emphasizing her dynamic mix of power and finesse, along with cinematic flair she would be perfect for a fighting game! :) Additionally, Tifa brings immense fan appeal. She’s one of the most beloved Final Fantasy characters, and her inclusion would generate hype, similar to Noctis in Tekken 7. Players might pick her up for the novelty, but her well-designed move set could make her a mainstay for those who enjoy a fluid, rushdown-oriented playstyle I would assume that's if she made it into the game of course. As for the "getting bored" thing, that's entirely subjective. Whether it’s Tifa, Clive, or any other character, engagement depends on how well the character is integrated into the game. A thoughtfully designed Tifa with iconic moves and some new Tekken-style mechanics could keep players invested for a long time. After all, Tekken thrives on diverse rosters and playstyles, and Tifa fits right into that ethos. Lastly, dismissing the appeal of Tifa or any other potential character overlooks the fact that fighting games are as much about celebrating fandoms as they are about mechanics. Tifa would bring a new audience and add variety, keeping the roster fresh and exciting!
Having Wukong would be hype actually hahahaha I didn't think about that as an option! And Tifa a lot of people asked for her. If you enjoyed the video, please consider giving it a like and subscribing, it helps me like crazy! Have a nice weekend!
I enjoyed the announcement, i think the his vfx and animations are cool and from what i know most people from ff16 enjoyed the crossover reveal and were willing to give tekken 8 a chance, thats the point of guest characters to help boost sales again. People also need to realise that they cant always have what they want because square enix is protective of their characters. It was hard enough for nintendo to get cloud in their games. People need to compromise and look at the bigger picture instead of just blaming everything on the devs. And a lot (not all) of the people who wanted tifa were just jumping on the band wagon. She fits the game but so do about 100 nore characters
There is a lot more season to go and Tekken 7 had four guest characters, so anything can happen! If you enjoyed the video, please consider giving it a like and subscribing, it helps me a lot. Have a nice weekend!
Yeah there is a high chance they'll use a lot of their own hype characters for the new VF, but that's awesome though that game looked INCREDIBLE so I have nothing but high hopes for another amazing fighting game, Tekken at the end of the day is not the only thing we can play and enjoy!
Probably too much money, I'm pretty sure you have to pay a specific amount of money in events like that for every 20 to 30 seconds, and it's probably absurd amounts of money, so I can understand why they didn't do it. If you enjoyed the video, please consider giving it a like and subscribing, it helps me a lot. Have a nice weekend!
Definitely a publicity move. Clive is fire af! But Tifa or Cloud deserve more glory in the Tekken universe in my opinion. This is definitely overall a fan let down.
I don't think that it is a fan let down, at the end of the day a lot of guest characters are created around the idea of getting a new audience into the game more than connecting with current players and consumers, so it makes a lot of sense. It seems like the community that already plays the game is kind of like 50/50 on this one! Square Enix themselves probably forced the move of putting Clive into the game instead of Cloud or Tifa. If you enjoyed the video, please consider giving it a like and subscribing, it helps me a lot. Have a nice weekend!
I mean, there is publicity moves on everything related to adding characters to a franchise, the thing is there is no need to interpret things like this in such an extreme way, is a part of what's going but not the full picture. Business decisions around stuff like this have different reasons and things in mind, with publicity and marketing being one of them but not the only thing!
@@ButtonMashersYT It is by all means a fan let down. Everyone wanted Tifa lol. We dont need any toxic positivity. I dont blame Harada and agree this is probably a squenix move more than a Tekken dev move, but i digress. No one is hyped for Clive, while Tifa is the most famous Female RPG character of all time.
Who is everyone? XD why do you think that what you see in Twitter or online represents the vast majority of both current and potential consumers of the game? It is not that simple and easy to do a market analysis and get conclusions about this being a problem or not. The Noctis DLC was literally THE SAME situation in Tekken 7 and the game sold EXTREMELY WELL after the character came out. The real thing behind all of this is that specific audiences for games like this don't understand that they are not the only consumer of the product and that not EVERY decision made inside the games cycle development will be targeted towards only one group.
It for sure looks like it will be a fire character bro! I'm for sure gonna buy him and try him out, I hope you have a ton of fun with him. Have an amazing weekend and enjoy Clive!
I'm glad you liked it a lot bro, it is a pretty good character! ! If you enjoyed the video, please consider giving it a like and subscribing, it helps me a lot. Have a nice weekend!
I'm sorry you didn't like it, hopefully upcoming seasons will have guest characters you love! If you enjoyed the video, please consider giving it a like and subscribing, it helps me a lot. Have a nice weekend!
It's 50/50 in most stuff I've seen online so there is nothing but truth in saying that a ton of people are super mad at this hahahaha just watch the full thing if you want to actually hear my personal opinion. If you enjoyed the video, please consider giving it a like and subscribing, it helps me a lot. Have a nice weekend!
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I bet you even in season two of tekken 8 They will just introduce the punisher Frank Castle from the Marvel Netflix series/MCU Canon to promote daredevil born again Playable character and other Guess character shows up Yang from rwby or Mortal Kombat character kitana.
I find it amazing people keep saying a guest character feels "out of place". What do they think a guest character means?
It's been days. I still can't get over how dumb this is. The quote from that square enix dev, saying that Clive is by far the best FF character, to fit in a fighting game, keeps me awake at night
Clive is not a swordsman in the same way that Victor and Yoshi are swordsmen. He feels more like a wizard with a sword-shaped wand
The reason I don’t accept it completely is because it’s noctis 2.0 give us another guest character from a different franchise or sum
the casuals liked it.
The OG's hated it
I'm with the OG's
I don't know I've been playing FGs for a lot of years and I liked it! Kind of depends on how you see it. Still at the end of the day most season passes and DLCs are connected to OGs, like the first 3 characters of season 1. But the point of guest characters is kind of to connect with a different audience, so it makes sense a lot of people that play Tekken mostly or are exclusively Tekken players didn't like it that much. If you enjoyed the video, please consider giving it a like and subscribing, it helps me a lot. Have a nice weekend!
I respect that my problem is the salty tifa fans. Wanting something different is fane but demanding it to be tifa is insane. Personally i just see him as a better noctus
OG's??? Maybe they should realize Yoshimitsu is a sword fighter, also we got demons. So, why they hate Clive, huh?
Clive was an odd choice for T8’s first guest character. Not only is Clive not a popular character among the FF fandom, but Square Enix considered FF16 a commercial failure. Clive would’ve been more at-home in Soul Calibur.
Sadly Soul Calibur is dead and not coming back anytime soon after the sales of SC 6. I personally think Clive is a fine guest, I would prefer Sephiroth, Cloud from FF or even someone like Iori from KOF, but I think Clive seems cool and interesting. I do believe though that we will get more guest characters, so it is just fine that I believe. Hopefully Soul Calibur comes back also lol! If you enjoyed the video, please consider giving it a like and subscribing, it helps me like crazy! Have a great weekend bro!
dude they think both FF7 remakes were a commercial failure, they're bs high standards means nothing.
Whoever conditioned people to imagine it's Tifa is laughing his butt off right now.
The thing is i love that its clive is here. We had alot of tifa, clowd and sefaroth. The thing is there are people like clive. Also the sword argument is STUPID cuz Yoshimitsu is a thing.
The only way we can let tekken know they’re making bad decisions is through metrics. Drop the game for a while and finish your backlogs.
It's not just that he seems out of place, but that he seems overly offensive and that is the direction that the game is going.
I mean, that is not a "direction", that is the development philosophy of the game since it came out and it's probably not going to be different in the long term. It is very clear that it is kind of like the goal of the devs for the game to be like that. We gotta see what season 2 brings for the game, I have a video discussing that in any case you want to check it out! If you enjoyed the video, please consider giving it a like and subscribing, it helps me a lot. Have a nice weekend!
I disagree that we as players have to accept bullshit characters "because is fun for the casuals", tell that to the hardcore players who bought the season pass as a token of trust to the developers. The concept of fun to the core audience comes from competition, if we wanted to throw lasers and summon dragons we would be playing Dragon Age, not a fighting game.
Which is why its called a guest character. There truly isnt any pleasing people like you. I personally stopped playing the game because they just cant balance for shit but i might start again for him. But i feel that in general nowadays devs, creators, and artists just cant please people. They cant ever win no matter what they do.
@sinner2548 do you really think they did this for creative and artistic reasons? 😂
Is it even possible to land strikes on him? He seems way overpowered. I’m also curious if blocking his sword strikes will cause cheap damage.
Its two ways either people complain because they wanted their character and didnt get it like every single time or in this case people actually wanted tifa but we got clive instead even though nobody asked for him.
Im in the tifa camp ive wanted tifa in tekken since we got akuma so as much as i want tifa and believe me i still do since she is from ff7 my favourite game of all time and her and cloud are my two favourite final fantasy characters it sucks she didnt get in but at the same time im still happy we atleast get a good character and for the people complaing about him having a sword just stop like come on we have yoshimitsu kunimitsu raven master raven victor noctis all in tekken you never complained about them then so dont start now.
I Think a lot of the reason it is getting backlash is the fact that people begged for Tifa Lockhart, And they did not give the fans that, instead we Got Clive I don't hate Clive but I do agree that I think Tifa would have been a better pick :)
Tifa a good choice but isn’t her fighting style kinda mid?
Besides whether they like it or not, Clive or Tifa, they will get bored regardless and not play them again.
Tifa’s fighting style is far from "mid" it’s rooted in her signature martial arts techniques, showcasing explosive power, speed, and fluidity. Her Limit Breaks and combos in Final Fantasy VII are iconic and would translate exceptionally well into Tekken’s fast-paced gameplay. Imagine her moves being reworked into a Tekken-style system, emphasizing her dynamic mix of power and finesse, along with cinematic flair she would be perfect for a fighting game! :)
Additionally, Tifa brings immense fan appeal. She’s one of the most beloved Final Fantasy characters, and her inclusion would generate hype, similar to Noctis in Tekken 7. Players might pick her up for the novelty, but her well-designed move set could make her a mainstay for those who enjoy a fluid, rushdown-oriented playstyle I would assume that's if she made it into the game of course.
As for the "getting bored" thing, that's entirely subjective. Whether it’s Tifa, Clive, or any other character, engagement depends on how well the character is integrated into the game. A thoughtfully designed Tifa with iconic moves and some new Tekken-style mechanics could keep players invested for a long time. After all, Tekken thrives on diverse rosters and playstyles, and Tifa fits right into that ethos.
Lastly, dismissing the appeal of Tifa or any other potential character overlooks the fact that fighting games are as much about celebrating fandoms as they are about mechanics. Tifa would bring a new audience and add variety, keeping the roster fresh and exciting!
Not a big fan of it. I'd like to have wukong or tifa. Atleast wukong uses a staff
Having Wukong would be hype actually hahahaha I didn't think about that as an option! And Tifa a lot of people asked for her. If you enjoyed the video, please consider giving it a like and subscribing, it helps me like crazy! Have a nice weekend!
Allready did@@ButtonMashersYT
They mught as well add Kilik from Soul Calibur
I would’ve been more interested in Roger Jr lmao at least he’s an og character.. i love final fantasy but i have no idea who this guy is
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I wanted baki or someone from cobra kai
if tifa becomes a guest in ANY fighting game im quitting tekken lol
I enjoyed the announcement, i think the his vfx and animations are cool and from what i know most people from ff16 enjoyed the crossover reveal and were willing to give tekken 8 a chance, thats the point of guest characters to help boost sales again.
People also need to realise that they cant always have what they want because square enix is protective of their characters. It was hard enough for nintendo to get cloud in their games. People need to compromise and look at the bigger picture instead of just blaming everything on the devs. And a lot (not all) of the people who wanted tifa were just jumping on the band wagon. She fits the game but so do about 100 nore characters
Definitely not super hyped or super disappointed, but Clive looks really fun to play, just have to pray my Majima dream still comes true 😭
There is a lot more season to go and Tekken 7 had four guest characters, so anything can happen! If you enjoyed the video, please consider giving it a like and subscribing, it helps me a lot. Have a nice weekend!
not to burst your bubble but Team Ryu ga Gotoku are working on VF6. No way they'll give their hype chars away before they use them.
Yeah there is a high chance they'll use a lot of their own hype characters for the new VF, but that's awesome though that game looked INCREDIBLE so I have nothing but high hopes for another amazing fighting game, Tekken at the end of the day is not the only thing we can play and enjoy!
They should have showed the 4 min trailer in the Game Awards
Probably too much money, I'm pretty sure you have to pay a specific amount of money in events like that for every 20 to 30 seconds, and it's probably absurd amounts of money, so I can understand why they didn't do it. If you enjoyed the video, please consider giving it a like and subscribing, it helps me a lot. Have a nice weekend!
Pikachu as guest character not away
Bought FF16 after this reveal. Hype for this
We're people this way when Noctis came to Tekken 7
Yes and No
Yes
No because no one expected him
Word for word. Bar for bar.
Definitely a publicity move. Clive is fire af! But Tifa or Cloud deserve more glory in the Tekken universe in my opinion. This is definitely overall a fan let down.
I don't think that it is a fan let down, at the end of the day a lot of guest characters are created around the idea of getting a new audience into the game more than connecting with current players and consumers, so it makes a lot of sense. It seems like the community that already plays the game is kind of like 50/50 on this one! Square Enix themselves probably forced the move of putting Clive into the game instead of Cloud or Tifa. If you enjoyed the video, please consider giving it a like and subscribing, it helps me a lot. Have a nice weekend!
The demonstration video alone proves that this is untrue. Otherwise you'd be calling Sakurai putting Terry in Smash a publicity move as well.
I mean, there is publicity moves on everything related to adding characters to a franchise, the thing is there is no need to interpret things like this in such an extreme way, is a part of what's going but not the full picture. Business decisions around stuff like this have different reasons and things in mind, with publicity and marketing being one of them but not the only thing!
@@ButtonMashersYT It is by all means a fan let down. Everyone wanted Tifa lol. We dont need any toxic positivity. I dont blame Harada and agree this is probably a squenix move more than a Tekken dev move, but i digress. No one is hyped for Clive, while Tifa is the most famous Female RPG character of all time.
Who is everyone? XD why do you think that what you see in Twitter or online represents the vast majority of both current and potential consumers of the game? It is not that simple and easy to do a market analysis and get conclusions about this being a problem or not. The Noctis DLC was literally THE SAME situation in Tekken 7 and the game sold EXTREMELY WELL after the character came out. The real thing behind all of this is that specific audiences for games like this don't understand that they are not the only consumer of the product and that not EVERY decision made inside the games cycle development will be targeted towards only one group.
There are many other seasons, and people can grow up. It’s a good picn
The tekken community is literally never happy
Adding a unknown ff character doesn’t help either
What is there to be happy about? It's legitimately blunder after blunder after blunder with Bamco
I'm a long time tekken fan since tekken 3 and i love the final fantasy guests, noctis main in 7 and now probably a Clive main in 8
It for sure looks like it will be a fire character bro! I'm for sure gonna buy him and try him out, I hope you have a ton of fun with him. Have an amazing weekend and enjoy Clive!
I loved FF16 so this is a dream come true
I'm glad you liked it a lot bro, it is a pretty good character! ! If you enjoyed the video, please consider giving it a like and subscribing, it helps me a lot. Have a nice weekend!
Casual
i hate it
I'm sorry you didn't like it, hopefully upcoming seasons will have guest characters you love! If you enjoyed the video, please consider giving it a like and subscribing, it helps me a lot. Have a nice weekend!
@@ButtonMashersYT i wish next seasons wont have any guest character and i hope harada will stub his pinky toe on a dinner table leg, goodnight.
@ButtonMashersYT i hope next seasons wont have guest characters
This is fucking dope. Yall trippin
"Fans furious"
Nah don't lump everyone with the Tifa stans.
It's 50/50 in most stuff I've seen online so there is nothing but truth in saying that a ton of people are super mad at this hahahaha just watch the full thing if you want to actually hear my personal opinion. If you enjoyed the video, please consider giving it a like and subscribing, it helps me a lot. Have a nice weekend!
no one cares about tifa, OG's wanted old characters to return
NO ONE WANTS GUEST CHARACTERS!
I think that is not necessarily a generalizable opinion hahaha a lot of people want guest characters in any fighting game, not only Tekken!
You believing it’s all about tifa shows how empty your head is.
Final Fantasy 16 is awful and it's not doing well
Why
FGC when martial arts character in weapon based FG:😊😊😊😊
FGC when weapon based character in martial arts based FG:🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬
The double standar of this community is WILD than moba and gacha community :")
I bet you even in season two of tekken 8 They will just introduce the punisher Frank Castle from the Marvel Netflix series/MCU Canon to promote daredevil born again Playable character and other Guess character shows up Yang from rwby or Mortal Kombat character kitana.