AMD Anti-Lag+ | We Need To Talk
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- Опубликовано: 30 июл 2024
- Anti-Lag+ is AMDs answer to NVIDIA Reflex. But how does it compare to Reflex and why did AMD remove Anti-Lag+ so quickly after its launch?
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0:00 Anti... what?
3:00 Test Setup
4:26 Test Results
8:31 Conclusion
12:32 AMD... why??? 
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If AMD screws up so badly that even Chris comes back... they really dropped the ball
You could say that. 😅
@@BattleNonSensefeels like we need you now more than ever. What you found out about CS2s framelimiter is just one thing thats going wrong with this game right now. Wed really need someone to finally check the networking latency, a lot of players even experience constant 80+ms delay for damage even with
@@BattleNonSense really interesting actually, i only used/saw reflex in bf2042 and tarkov and both had the framerate drop by a noticable amount and i did not feel like input latency changed so i never used them again.
Would you be interested in checking if the setting in nvidia system manager even does anything when u enable low latencymode on "on" or "ultra"?
Something I would like to see is a new video on Borderless gaming, since things have changed significantly since the last video(7 years ago)
@@BattleNonSenseyour videos are invaluable no matter what the topic is. I’m always excited when I see a new upload
Taking this opportunity to say that many of the people who got falsely banned from CS2's Anti-Lag are STILL not unbanned
I would be mad if my GPU cost me my decade old silky clean steam account
@@evertchin bu hu. What an honourable man who takes pride in his steam account. Lol. Fanboiis..
@@NulJern I can only imagine 2 kind of person who would have said what you said, a cheater or a troll.
@@NulJernbu hu
@@NulJern cheating in a competitive online game and taking pride on it is so fucking sad. To me, that sounds like a skill issue
this dude has a 1440p 360hz monitor and plays overwatch in 150 fps
It is frankly mind-boggling that AMD didn't spend the time making an SDK for people to use, and instead chose to double-down on a technique that will cost them more time and money.
That's simply because AMD sells subpar tech for cheap, that's their only selling point: the cheap price, its ironic because their price reflects their subpar product, and people still lick their boots.
@@sturmbnnuy cheap?💀 They're like max 80$ less than competition
(That is excluding the scalper situation that happened and comparing msrp)
8:50 quick reminder that reflex works noticeably better on newer cards than on pascals and maxwells where the gain may be negligible and you'd rather use framerate limiter instead.
feels like this should be a pinned comment, or at least included in the description, but no, instead the pinned comment is just a drama comment.
I've been a viewer since your Battlefield 4 netcode videos. You are, bar none, the best at explaining these complex concepts in a way that's comprehensive yet easy to understand. Thank you for your years of work.
RUclips is very tuff last few years. Happy to see you still dropping analysis videos, no one else doing like you!
Glad to have you back, we missed you :D
@BattleNonSense So happy to see you are making videos again! Thanks for the quality & time you put into every video!
Good to have you back. Maybe if you have time you could eventually do an analysis of DLSS Frame Generation and it's impact on latency? I would love to hear it.
That is something I'd like to take a look at but it is a quite complex beast to test properly.
Holy crap, a new BattleNonsense video!!??
BattleNonSense is back baby !!!! So happy to see you around Chris. I was missing so much your quality content
Just for added context on Nvidia's support limitation for older cards: Nvidia dropped support overall for cards older than the 900 series a couple years ago. So when you look at it, Reflex is supported on ALL cards that still get driver support from Nvidia.
Which makes AMD's strict limitation to only 7000 series cards even stranger. Surely it can't be a hardware issue if 10 year old nvidia cards have no problem handling something like this, right?
1080 Ti also isn't supported on many games.
@@dominikp.606 on the driver level, it is. Owners of 1080Ti still receive driver updates.
What you're saying is that GAMES may not support it aka the minimum system requirements can go to 2000 series or above. That's got nothing to do with nvidia, it's the game developers that decide how old are the components their games will be made for.
AMD probably tested their anti-lag tech only on their newest GPUs.
Their product marketing sucks and they shipped "Nvidia equivalent" features in a rush.
That's a nice suprise. Welcome back! I hope there's more content coming in the future - maybe a video on CS2 subtick?
I really REALLY wish you would upload more often. I love your videos. I've learned so much over the years from you.
Thank you for taking the time to make another video. Aslong as you make them I'll be sure to watch them.
Heyyy welcome back!!
I'm here from the future. AMD now has Anti-Lag 2 with proper implementation done in-game.
The Return of the King
So nice to see a new video from you, and of course to keep learning from your tests! Thanks a lot!
Welcome back boss.
FROM THE SHADOWS, HE RETURNS. Welcome back, hoping to see significantly more from you!
AMD dropped the ball hard on this one for sure.
You can also inject Reflex in almost any game using Special K, which is what AMD is basically doing I'm guessing.
If you really are back then it'd be nice to see a re-do of the high dpi video with eDPI equalized. It's been 2 years and there still hasn't been a single video where it's definitively proven if high dpi reduces latency.
Optimum Tech has a video testing it, not sure if that's what you're looking for. It's called why gamers are switching to high dpi.
OMG I have missed you! It truly is the holiday season!
My god, a channel, I only dreamed of coming back, has uploaded a new video. Can't begin to say how much I've missed your top quality content. Thank you!
Thank you for creating a video again. Your content is unique and often pressures big companies into changing things.
It's also kinda funny that people still blame Valve for the VAC bans that have been dished out due to AL+.
Good to see you back, Chris.
Nice to have you back Chris, as always, nice video, very interesting subject, thanks!
Thank you for coming back! I really missed your videos!
Genuinely love your content and deep dives. Would love to see you produce some more quality videos when you can.
Oh, that's a voice I haven't heard in a bit. Glad to see your informative work again.
Welcome back! Happy to see you again ;)
Great video, thanks for diving into this subject! Very interesting to see a proper breakdown of the differences between these two approaches.
Glad to see you back, mate! Your testing has been missed greatly.
Good to see you are back !!!
I clicked on this video so fast. Glad to see a video from you.
It`s so great to see new content from you, at least once in a while.
Welcome back! There was a lot of content in CS2 community with their subtick system, that you could make a video out of.
So good to hear this wonderful mans voice again - what incredible high quality work as ALWAYS - I would say this channel is the epitomy of quality not quantity.
welcome back dude, really missed you content.
Always a pleasure to see a new video of you, Chris! Your content is unique and we all miss you.
and then there's Escape From Tarkov which adds latency when you use reflex
eft is a pos that why lol
Welcome back. Good work, thank you.
Christmas time! Herr Battle{non}Sense is back.
Hope you and family are super ok, Chris.
Now on to the video. 😊
Well this is a welcome surprise! Thanks for coming back and providing such thorough analysis.
Would love to see you test frame generation's input lag from amd and nvidia
There's only one game you can do that with. That's not enough to draw any conclusions. And we already know Nvidia will win.
WE MISSED YOU!
Best is to use SpecialK, can inject Nvidia Reflex in any DX11/DX12 games.
their framelimiter is super smooth, low latency, and highly configurable
SpecialK and multiplayer games do not go together.
Finally the video I was looking for. Missed you man, glad you are back
He alive. Good to have you back man.
The rationale for AL+ is basically FSR1 vs DLSS in the olden days: Devs are unreliable and super slow to implement features unless they get paid; even today DLSS is only in a handful of games. FSR1 on the other hand is everywhere.
You are back!! Wellcome man:)
Glad to see a new video, missed your explainations!
Glad you're back man. Your videos are always very well made.
Our input latency King is back?!
Hell yeah!!! I would love to see a video from Battlenonsense on OLED panels. Would replacing my 1ms 240hz VA panel with a 0.03ms 165hz OLED panel result in a smoother experience? I need to know! xD
i’m a little confused with your point. From what I understand, Anti-Lag + is a driver level implementation. Drivers are owned by the hardware. For anti-cheat to deem it as a hack, it means anti-cheat is overextending into a realm of authority it doesn’t necessarily own. While its ok to try to prevent hacks that use this method, it’s more likely Anti-Cheat developers fault for causing this issue. If it were a dll-hook it would be a different story. You ask how did AMD not catch this by working with developers?, thats a question of convenience that is stupid when you think of the logistics. Thats like saying whenever they make new features they have to test them with every PC game ever which doesn’t scale. Not as easy as you made it sound.
it's not a driver level implementation. He mentioned in the video that executable code is injected into the game engines. That's not driver level.
@@rarespetrusamartean5433 look up Anti Lag+ its a driver implementation. He doesn’t know what he’s talking about. DLL injection requires knowing memory locations. You couldn’t make an implementation that works with everything and at the same time hook your code with a boot loader. Also, that requires a different level of privilege on the system.
@@osku388 i just looked it up. It totally doesn't say that. Detouring dll functions doesn't mean dll hooking/injections. Instead it means some function of the driver allowed it to bypass some processing of CS2's dll. Again, driver behavior belongs to the Hardware manufacturer. It's within their realm of authority. You can't write software that hooks onto any binary without knowing things about the binary. Binaries also change from build to build. Drivers reside behind the hardware abstraction layer and are transparent to software applications. In the case of games, there are direct integrations that bypass the HAL for hardware acceleration. That doesn't change the fact that driver development is owned by the hardware manufacturer.
@@osku388 that rationale is poor man. As a hardware vendor you have to be able to make drivers for your product. Its always good to coordinate with other partners, but your logic is flawed. What you are effectively saying is that if you made a product, a random company that only has to do with a fraction of your business dictates a core aspect of your product development. Remember GPU's fulfill other functions for consumers such as video editing, transcoding, bitcoin mining and other general purpose use ontop of games. Drivers allow for the system to communicate with your hardware product. Thats why you see drivers being created by AMD and Nvidia. Not by game makers. Your perspective is narrow-minded Valve arbitrarily decided to use a particular behavior to detect cheating. If a graphics driver decides to NOP an operation or detour API calls its within their domain.
@@osku388 Also making the statement that they need authority over drivers or they are useless is far from a reasonable statement. There are many ways to detect cheats. Thats like saying the Police need to have jurisdiction over your home without a warrant or they are effectively useless.
I'm a new subscriber, and omg your graphs are so nice! They are so clean and easy to read at a glance!
dangg, it's been forever!! welcome back!!
Happy to see you come back!
Good to have you back!
So good to see a video from you, I really miss your content.
Oh damn, I didn't hear about this.
I also didn't realize that you were gone for so long, grias di!
where have you been?
Its a good day when Chris uploads a new video
Man am i glad you're back, if love to see an updated tarkov video comparing Arena and Tarkov vs old tarkov when it's released
I thought you were gone! glad to see your content again
Thanks bro, i was waiting for this video!
We miss you so much
Mensch, ein Lebenszeichen. 👏👍😆 Toll, dass es mal wieder ein Video gibt!
I'm so happy to have a video of your channel, thanks for everything.
12:20 ironically with tools like specialk or latencyflex on Linux you can inject any game with reflex just like amd (keep in mind this does look like a cheat so dont do it in anticheat games).
Great to see you back!
Great comparison of the two technologies, thank you!
Also, glad to see you again Chris!
Thank you for still making these amazing videos! This is another super awesome video.❤❤❤
Thank you for another great video, Chris!
I'm still hoping for a possible netcode analysis of The Finals. It stands out,
as the Ex DICE Developers created a lot of "new tech" for server-side destruction. I am very curious to understand more about this, and they haven't quite revealed the secret sauce yet. Couldn't think of any one better to crack the "Code" 😅
I missed your videos dude. YT finally suggested this video to me after 7 days 🙂
I insta-clicked as soon as I saw your video. Welcome back. Nice to hear you again.
I hope this means Battle(non)sense is back for good!! I missed your excellent detailed content
Welcome back!!!! It's being a while.
Glad to see you still making these explainers and information testing!
I have to agree that the AMD Software is very much disappointing. Less than a year ago I switched from my old 980 Ti to 7900XTX and I have been repeatedly annoyed and/or disappointed with the software since. In the months since I have made the switch I have only been hearing about or directly experiencing major flaws in the applications from AMD. This constant catch-up that AMD is playing is heavily detrimental, it makes me see why Nvidia believes they can (and actively does) get away with pricing their consumer GPUs the way they do.
The conclusion of the video wasn't that AMD software is disappointing, it was that Anti-lag+ implementation doesn't make a lot of sense. You are going off on a completely different subject entirely.
@@giglioflexanti lag + is just one example of terrible driver development on AMD, you're blinded by fanboyism if you can't see the connection. This whole comments section is full of cope, it's amazingly dishonest and unhealthy.
@@Wobbothe3rd I ain't buying a 2k dollar card
Its always a pleasure to see a video from you Chris! Great content as always!
Great to hear back from you! Servus aus Bayern!
I missed your analytical video.
i never clicked a video so fast even though i dont use an amd gpu! the goat is back?!!?!
Lovely to see you again Chris!
Good to see you back. very informative content.
Good to see you back brother
BATTLENONESENSE IS BACK!!
Yo welcome back. Missed your videos.
Really hope this means more videos are coming in the future!
Waiting patiently for netcode analysis of cs2
Return of a legend.
Welcome back! We missed your accent and your knowledge. You are a legend!
daaang love to see a video from you :) takes me back
I am a very simple man. I always lower in-game quality to a point in which the game never goes lower than 150 fps, then enable 144 fps lock. I have never seen a clear reason why, but I've always done that. Seems that I had an overall best scenario all along.
By the way, great content. Keep up the good work!
It's better to keep your FPS inside vrr range btw, better input latency, so cap to like 140
@@konzo5942 yes, indeed. Thanks!
Good content man! Glad to see more from you!
wishing for HUNT Showdown netcode analysis pleeeeeeeeease 🤞
If I knew exactly what was going on under the hood of hunt, I think I’d cry
I was so happy to see a new video from you! Always great explanations and details in your videos. The hero we need but not the hero we deserve
So glad to see you make a return!