BMW E30 M52/M50 Swap Wiring Guide | 24v M5X Engine Conversion Electrics Wiring Chart | 048

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  • Опубликовано: 23 янв 2025

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  • @felixjayasuria8963
    @felixjayasuria8963 Год назад +5

    Hi Rash 😊
    This is the most interesting part of any E30 M5X builds !!
    Most of everyone will get mixed up of the wiring, even after doing so many wirings, i even get it wrong occasionally 😅😅
    Ok, some help to you on the wirings.
    1. Pin 7 (EWS) in X20 can be easily identified by using a multi meter and trying either the green wires by both ends to the ECU adapter. Look for Pin 18 and test for continuity. Or open the harness near to the adapter to look for the green wire joined to a black purple wire to Pin 18. Yes, BMW purposely did that to confused thefts that jumps the pins to drive away. But please don't join the both wires together as any voltage to the ecu may cause it to burn.
    2. ECU that you have can't be flashed for EWS delete, you need another one that says index 10 or 9 ,etc. Trust me, i received one also same number as yours. Perhaps try the other ecu u have.
    3. Black with green wire at the engine is for the starter unloader relay, it joins to the starter solenoids.
    4. For the Temperature sensor to the meter, using the m40 type is 1 sender pin only, plus you need to ground the sensor to the block. The alloy head has bad conductivity.
    Oh on the C101 side look for the brown/voilet wire Pin 4 on C101 to connect to by either 2 ways, run a independent socket (use your old m40 socket) and wire straight to Pin 4.
    Or cut 2 wires (only need 1 to connect to Pin 4) from the original 4 pin sensor on the cyclinder head.
    I will try to help u check on the wiring set up to see if u done any mix up.
    Cheers 😊

    • @felixjayasuria8963
      @felixjayasuria8963 Год назад +3

      Rash, as for wiring colours
      Pin 8 on C101 doesn't connect to Pin 8 on X20, don't need
      Pin 14 on C101 connects to Pin 9 on X20 for the vehicle speed sensor for input from the meter to the ecu to tell the ecu the speed of the vehicle.
      Pin 16 on c101 should connect to Pin 16 on X20 as pin 17 is the auto transmission.
      Cheers. 😊

    • @SPANNERRASH
      @SPANNERRASH  Год назад +1

      @@felixjayasuria8963 Amazing, thanks so much for sharing knowledge on this one mate! Really appreciate the input. 😁
      Looks like I need to go back and do a bit more fettling, I will work down your list and confirm/correct where necessary. 👍

    • @felixjayasuria8963
      @felixjayasuria8963 Год назад +1

      Most welcomed Rash, can't wait for another episode 😊

  • @NCCoder
    @NCCoder Год назад +10

    Awesome job! Just a little pro-tip, for when you do your final clean up: when you've got a large loom like that, spread your splices out over a few inches so that they're not all in one lump. It'll help if you need to run the loom through a firewall hole, etc. You did a fantastic job on what most people would really get hung up on. Can't wait to see this fire!

    • @SPANNERRASH
      @SPANNERRASH  Год назад

      Cheers Zak! 😁That's a great bit of advice which I will keep in mind. It makes good sense if I want the result to look OE eventually. Thanks for sharing it mate👍

  • @tjmaxxstan1516
    @tjmaxxstan1516 Год назад +6

    I’m doing an m50 swap rn too and I swear to god everytime I’m at the next step here he is uploading the tutorial within days. Praise be Spanner Rash!

    • @SPANNERRASH
      @SPANNERRASH  Год назад +1

      Haha I must be just ahead of you TJ. Really glad my vids are helpful for you. I try to pack them with information about what I learn along the way!

    • @tjmaxxstan1516
      @tjmaxxstan1516 Год назад +2

      @@SPANNERRASH if ur next video is doing the security and door locks that would be insane.

    • @SPANNERRASH
      @SPANNERRASH  Год назад +1

      @@tjmaxxstan1516 Ahh we've gone out of sync. 😆 I'm on the exhaust next. To be honest I don't think I have any issues with my door locks. 🤔 I would like one of those remote central locking kits though.

  • @svega4290
    @svega4290 Год назад +2

    This series is awesome. There was an opportunity to cut the video off right before turning the engine.. thanks for not leaving us in suspense 😂

    • @SPANNERRASH
      @SPANNERRASH  Год назад

      Haha Steven, I couldn't do that to you! 😂 Glad you're enjoying the vids mate.

  • @e30_318is_project
    @e30_318is_project Год назад +3

    Yeahhh, nice progress. Always thought the wire diagram was a no brainer, but it clearly is a bit more difficult then it seems. An ecu with ews does crank but it shuts out the spark when it wants to run as far as i've seen in videos. Good decision to avoid the adapter clutter!

    • @SPANNERRASH
      @SPANNERRASH  Год назад

      Thanks! I always thought it was going to be difficult, but actually not too bad. It's looking pretty promising currently. Ahh thanks for letting me know about the EWS. I wasn't expecting it to even crank with this ECU, that was a surprise. Looks like I will need to switch over to my other one after all. 👍

    • @JoshuaStacey782
      @JoshuaStacey782 Год назад +1

      The non-index one may be flash-able so I'd still try it, you'll know pretty quickly if it isn't. Generally the ECU's with index on them are a safer option for flashing.

    • @SPANNERRASH
      @SPANNERRASH  Год назад

      Thanks @@JoshuaStacey782, I didn't know about that, I thought it was Index or bust.
      I've already got another ECU, but I will give this one a try at some point and see. I quite fancy having a go at flashing the ECU and playing around with it. Seems really interesting to learn.

    • @JoshuaStacey782
      @JoshuaStacey782 Год назад +2

      @@SPANNERRASH it's really not that hard once you work it out, the information is all readily available. For an old late 90s ECU it's quite powerful and simple enough to tune, if you're not highly modified there's no good reason to go aftermarket.

  • @leoliu041892
    @leoliu041892 Год назад +2

    just as promised! hopefully it gets started soon!

    • @SPANNERRASH
      @SPANNERRASH  Год назад

      Thank you! I hope the info helps you out. We won't know if it truly works until we try to start though. 🤞

    • @leoliu041892
      @leoliu041892 Год назад +1

      @@SPANNERRASH it’s definitely helpful! Thanks man!

  • @075north
    @075north Год назад

    I'm currently working on getting things in order for an M50 swap into my E30 316i Touring, so these videos have been incredibly helpful. Thanks so much for taking the time to film and talk through everything!
    I'm also very interested to see what your exhaust setup will look like.

    • @SPANNERRASH
      @SPANNERRASH  Год назад +1

      Cheers Jonathan, really glad the vids are helping you out with your M50 E30 project, it will be extremely similar no doubt as mine is/was a 316i also.
      Exhaust vid to come soon, gotta get that sorted before the M52 can run! 😁

  • @jimmyjamal2392
    @jimmyjamal2392 Год назад +1

    Great video my friend !!! Getting close now and doing a mighty good job

  • @Si316
    @Si316 Год назад +1

    I’ve just rewired my c101 connector for my m10 megajolt conversion. You can get the c101 pins. They’re used on modern minis. Makes the job much neater.

    • @SPANNERRASH
      @SPANNERRASH  Год назад +1

      Ah nice, thats great news the pins are still readily available.
      I'm likely to come back and do a proper C101 repin job once I've confirmed everything is working and I have a running car. Cheers! 😁

    • @Si316
      @Si316 Год назад

      @@SPANNERRASH nice one, your videos are egging me on to get mine back on the road so thanks for the push!

  • @robrattray6948
    @robrattray6948 Год назад

    Putting an m30b35 in my 318i touring as we speak. Have been following this series since the beginning and its given me the push I needed to buy an engine and start doing my own swap that I have been talking about for years. Very intimidated by the wiring part of the swap, even though it should(in theory) be much simpler than an m5x swap, so its nice to see that its doesn't look too bad at all. Excited to see your swap fire up for the first time, hopefully mine won't be far behind, engine in planned for this month so fingers crossed

    • @SPANNERRASH
      @SPANNERRASH  Год назад

      Thank you Rob, that's amazing that it's given you to push to crack on with your M30 swap!
      I have a feeling the wiring on the M30 swap will be very well documented too, and like you say in theory it should be simpler. Either way I'm sure you'll work it out when you get there, it won't be as bad as you fear. 😃

  • @jayhurrell
    @jayhurrell Год назад +1

    Looking good M8

  • @frankleiendecker7169
    @frankleiendecker7169 Год назад

    Great progress my friend! Next time please watch out for the paper in the inletports from the cilinderhead or they will be sucked inside. Until the next one!

    • @SPANNERRASH
      @SPANNERRASH  Год назад

      Cheers Frank! Yeah, I should have taken those out shouldn't I. Although hopefully, they acted as a dust filter if nothing else. 😂

  • @shanechiddy4303
    @shanechiddy4303 Год назад +1

    Brilliant, going well. Love watching.
    I wonder if the previous owners battery was in the boot. I can’t remember where the battery was in my old E36. They might have had to cut the power cable (as it would have ran all the way to the boot) to release the harness.

    • @SPANNERRASH
      @SPANNERRASH  Год назад

      Thanks Shane 😃 Ah that's a solid theory on the battery cable. Couldn't for the life of me imagine why it would have been cut. But that could well explain it.

  • @milan5695
    @milan5695 Год назад +1

    Love the series. I think the long extension cable goes to the cruise control module.

    • @SPANNERRASH
      @SPANNERRASH  Год назад

      Thank you mate 😀 ahh you reckon the long one is cruise control related? That's interesting, mine definitely doesn't have cruise, nor have I any plans to add it.

    • @JoshuaStacey782
      @JoshuaStacey782 Год назад +1

      It's the reverse light connector for an e36, you can remove that safely in an e30.

    • @SPANNERRASH
      @SPANNERRASH  Год назад

      @@JoshuaStacey782 Ohhh, I guess that would make sense as it has to reach the gearbox down in the transmission tunnel. Thank you!

    • @louislouis7037
      @louislouis7037 Год назад +1

      Awesome job keep it up 👍

    • @SPANNERRASH
      @SPANNERRASH  Год назад +1

      Cheers@@louislouis7037 👍

  • @5tevenH
    @5tevenH Год назад +1

    Welcome to 16 years ago 😅
    I did this back in 2006, as did a lot of us. I have a few uploads on RUclips from those days!

    • @SPANNERRASH
      @SPANNERRASH  Год назад

      Awesome! Do you still have the E30, Steve?

    • @5tevenH
      @5tevenH Год назад +1

      @@SPANNERRASH sadly not. Sold it in 2009 after a magazine feature

    • @SPANNERRASH
      @SPANNERRASH  Год назад

      @@5tevenH Shame, but fair enough, onto other things I imagine. Can't keep them all can you?

    • @5tevenH
      @5tevenH Год назад

      @@SPANNERRASH wish I'd kept a few cars I've had over the years. Nova gsi, metro turbo, mk2 escort etc etc

  • @tomasm.7696
    @tomasm.7696 Год назад +1

    wow, lucky enough that the paper in intake ports didnt get sucked in the cylinder :D great job overall

    • @SPANNERRASH
      @SPANNERRASH  Год назад

      Haha thanks! Yeah I had no idea it could be a big deal. Others have warned me about it too. 😅

  • @jagakuna1989
    @jagakuna1989 6 месяцев назад +1

    Hi, what sized solder sleeve connectors were used?

    • @SPANNERRASH
      @SPANNERRASH  6 месяцев назад

      Hi, these are the ones I used: ebay.us/z0qezW
      Hope that helps!

  • @johnzervoudakis2835
    @johnzervoudakis2835 Год назад +1

    I am running m50 b25, m52 b28 is the best value for money engine swap!

    • @SPANNERRASH
      @SPANNERRASH  Год назад +2

      Nice John, they're very similar engines but I'm told the M52B28 is slightly better if you're planning to keep it mostly stock and NA.
      The M50 is more robust and better for a turbo build though, or so I'm told.
      Both great value, but both getting harder to source!

  • @riadrichedame4356
    @riadrichedame4356 2 месяца назад +1

    hello and good luck with this lovely project😊Well I saw and understood your video very well but I just finished my swap on my bmw e30 but I have an engine that comes from an e39 m52b28 so whether I do the same thing on the electrical side or is there another modification thank you in advance.

    • @SPANNERRASH
      @SPANNERRASH  2 месяца назад +1

      I would recommend looking up an E39 wiring diagram and comparing it to what I show in the video with the colours, I think its very likely it will be the same, or at least close.

  • @vegard390
    @vegard390 Год назад +1

    On e30 the cable to the starter goes from the key to the starter, on cars with ews2 the starter cable goes to the ews unit. That can be wired around the unit so you can crank it, but it wil not start because the ews is prevnting fuel and spark.

    • @SPANNERRASH
      @SPANNERRASH  Год назад

      Aha! So the ECU probably does have EWS enabled still then. Thanks for the insight.

    • @vegard390
      @vegard390 Год назад +1

      @@SPANNERRASH could be, if it got spark or injectors are working then it has ews delete. Looking forward to the next video, Cool project!

    • @SPANNERRASH
      @SPANNERRASH  Год назад +1

      Cheers@@vegard390 , I guess I will try both ECUs when I've got it ready for a first start. That should tell me whether its been removed or not pretty quick! 😁

  • @TylorSwain12
    @TylorSwain12 Год назад +1

    Love the build. I'm planning on relocating the battery to the rear. Is this something you have thought about doing?

    • @SPANNERRASH
      @SPANNERRASH  Год назад +1

      Thanks Tylor, glad you're enjoying it! And yes 100%, battery relocation is something I'm thinking about doing. I think it will be one of those that I revisit in the future though, once the car is an actual car again.
      A lot of people seem to run the battery up front on M50/M52 swaps without issue so it's one of those "nice to have" mods I can look forward to doing at my own leisure. 😂
      Worthwhile though for sure, anything you can do to improve weight distribution.

  • @mariosnikolaou5212
    @mariosnikolaou5212 Год назад

    Congrats man, really helpful videos, i myself am planning on M50 swapping my E30, gonna use the G260 from a 325 and need to be rebuilt, let's see how will it go. Greetings from Greece.

    • @SPANNERRASH
      @SPANNERRASH  Год назад +1

      Thanks Marios! Sounds great but I was warned that an E30 g260 gearbox will be rotated incorrectly when mounted to tan M50/M52. I think because the M20 engine has a different lean angle in the engine bay.
      You might want to do some research and confirm that. But it's one of the reasons I elected to use the G240.

    • @claytonhaske
      @claytonhaske 11 месяцев назад

      ​@SPANNERRASH condor makes a transmission mount specifically for a g260 with a m50 swap. It takes into account the extra angle on the bellhousing. It's only like $90 usd.

  • @TechTokOffical
    @TechTokOffical 8 месяцев назад +1

    Are you familiar with the $126 m52 crankshaft sensor "adapter lead" harness fcp is saying I need in addition to the sensor?

    • @SPANNERRASH
      @SPANNERRASH  8 месяцев назад

      I can't say I can remember that. But I replaced the crank sensor earlier when I refinished the exterior of the engine. You might want to check that vid out to see details on what that looked like. It certainly wasn't anything super expensive though.

  • @drifty1523
    @drifty1523 Год назад +1

    Looks great so far and I love your videos!

    • @SPANNERRASH
      @SPANNERRASH  Год назад

      Thanks Drifty, appreciate it! 😃

  • @z4mb00ka
    @z4mb00ka 7 месяцев назад +1

    Got questions for your alternator wiring

    • @SPANNERRASH
      @SPANNERRASH  7 месяцев назад

      Feel free to ask, happy to help if I can. And if I can't, maybe someone more knowledgeable can wade in. :D

  • @billtimmer2462
    @billtimmer2462 Год назад +1

    curious why you have the battery in the front?

    • @SPANNERRASH
      @SPANNERRASH  Год назад

      As this car was a 316i 4-cyl it came with the battery mounted in the front as standard. I am considering relocating it to the boot for better weight distribution, but not before I've got it working as a car again. 😃

  • @martinashurst1340
    @martinashurst1340 Год назад +1

    I am sure you have it on your to do list but just in case, make sure you get the O2 sensors connected up correctly i.e. Bank 1 plug goes to Bank 1 sensor and bank 1 sensor goes to the front. If you mix them up you will get emission/fuelling issues

    • @SPANNERRASH
      @SPANNERRASH  Год назад

      Ahh thank you for mentioning that Martin, I would probably have assumed it didn't matter which way around they plugged in. I'll be careful to get them right now you've said that. 👍

  • @aniluzun2321
    @aniluzun2321 Год назад +1

    Hello . How can i delete oil service check alert onn my gauge ? Have m52b28 with ms41.0

    • @SPANNERRASH
      @SPANNERRASH  Год назад

      Now that's an interesting question! So the light has appeared on your cluster and you can't get it to disappear by bridging the OBD port pins like before?
      If I recall you need to bridge pin 7 to pin 19, or 7 to ground.
      I would have expected that to work to be honest.

    • @aniluzun2321
      @aniluzun2321 Год назад +1

      @@SPANNERRASH bro there is no entrance like before m40 obd . I added some cable to e39 m52 cable and enter to ecu m40+m52 ( I combined the wiring ) . I have obd 2 next to ecu i can see my problems and i cam clean it . But i dont know how i will reset oil service check alerts on geuage .

    • @aniluzun2321
      @aniluzun2321 Год назад

      Old obd head dont have inside of the hood

    • @SPANNERRASH
      @SPANNERRASH  Год назад

      @@aniluzun2321 Oh wow, thats a real conundrum then!
      If it were me, I would probably block the LEDs off somehow to stop them annoying, then just not worry about it. 😆

  • @ΝΙΚΗΤΑΣΑΣΩΝΙΤΗΣ
    @ΝΙΚΗΤΑΣΑΣΩΝΙΤΗΣ 11 месяцев назад +1

    ΕΥΧΑΡΙΣΤΩ ΠΟΛΥ

    • @SPANNERRASH
      @SPANNERRASH  11 месяцев назад +1

      Καλώς ήρθες, ελπίζω να βοηθήσει! 😄

  • @davidsilas6590
    @davidsilas6590 Год назад +1

    bro how about esw ? if didnt delete the program how to start?

    • @SPANNERRASH
      @SPANNERRASH  Год назад

      Hi mate, see 32:01 for what was said about the EWS situation. I do have an alternative ECU (DME) which is remapped with EWS delete that I will be using. Turns out this one is not editable because it does not say "index" on the label. I will be explaining this in more details in an upcoming video so watch out for that. 😃

  • @MrZoranbebek
    @MrZoranbebek Год назад +1

    hi,is bridge from m40 or m20 engine?

    • @SPANNERRASH
      @SPANNERRASH  Год назад

      The car was originally an M40 powered 316i. Check out the playlist to see how it started out.

    • @MrZoranbebek
      @MrZoranbebek Год назад +1

      @@SPANNERRASH so so engine mount subframe has not been changed to m20 6 cylinders,you use original one that came in that car

    • @SPANNERRASH
      @SPANNERRASH  Год назад

      @@MrZoranbebek The front subframe is the same on all E30s I believe, and I am using a stock front subframe, although I welded some reinforcing plates onto it to make it stronger. Check out one of my early videos to see that.
      I used Condor engine mounts and E36 engine arms to mount the M52 to the E30 subframe. I did a video of fitting the engine into the car not too long ago, check that out for details. Hope that helps!

    • @SPANNERRASH
      @SPANNERRASH  Год назад

      @@MrZoranbebek It's not actually the original subframe I got with the car, because I bought it as a spare so I could weld and paint it in advance of this build, while this 316i was still a stock driving car.
      But I assure you the E30 subframes are identical so it doesn't matter. 😄

    • @MrZoranbebek
      @MrZoranbebek Год назад +1

      @@SPANNERRASH thank you for info

  • @Graham.-E30
    @Graham.-E30 3 месяца назад +1

    Wish my wiring was the same my engine is from e39 which is nothing like yours😢😢😢

    • @SPANNERRASH
      @SPANNERRASH  3 месяца назад

      Sounds like a bit of a mare, although E39s are very well documented, cant you find a wiring diagram for the donor car specifically?

    • @Graham.-E30
      @Graham.-E30 2 месяца назад

      Not so far

  • @Jim_M_75
    @Jim_M_75 Год назад +1

    Not sure if I'm seeing this right but it looks like you used plumbers flux for the job. If so I've known it to eat the copper wire away really quick mate, hopefully I'm wrong and it was electronics flux.
    Would be a proper ball ache if you end up with black wires in a year or two and it running like a bag of crap.

    • @SPANNERRASH
      @SPANNERRASH  Год назад +1

      Hi Jim, thanks for the heads up, that's an interesting point, you really think flux could damage the join over time?
      I'm not certain what type of flux it was, I'll have to give the tin a check.
      I am planning to come back and maybe repin the plug at some point instead of soldering though. Hopefully, it will be fine in the meantime. 🙏

    • @Jim_M_75
      @Jim_M_75 Год назад +1

      @@SPANNERRASH It can cause damage mate, flux that plumbers use is really acidic. Back in the day we used it all the time and you would see some repairs come back bad a year or two later.
      I'm not saying it will fail, I just hate the idea of you finishing your pride and joy and ending up having to tear the harness apart again.
      Best you do a bit research and make the call either way while the car is still in the project phase.

    • @SPANNERRASH
      @SPANNERRASH  Год назад +1

      @@Jim_M_75 I had no idea about that! Really appreciate you pointing it out, I will definitely investigate. Sounds like I will need to go the full way and repin it after all. Not the end of the world I guess. Expecting to need to make some changes anyway. 😄

  • @Mrtweet81
    @Mrtweet81 Год назад +1

    So basically what you did was to splice black to black and green to green and so on…? 🤔

    • @SPANNERRASH
      @SPANNERRASH  Год назад

      I know it looks like that, but trust me! 😂 I first cross-referenced as many pinout tables as I could find for both the E36 M52 and the E30, and mapped what the function of each wire was and its number in the plug. Afterwards I added my column for wire colour and the vast majority shared the same colour too, which was really unexpected!
      I have read nowhere on line saying you can get away with just matching the colours, but it seems like you can at least 80-90% of the time. Stay tuned to find out whether it works out. First start coming ASAP!

    • @Mrtweet81
      @Mrtweet81 Год назад +1

      @@SPANNERRASH Yeah I’m just kidding with you, I know what a rabbit hole wiring can be. Just seemed a little bit funny when the solution was that obvious when it came to it ;)

    • @SPANNERRASH
      @SPANNERRASH  Год назад

      @@Mrtweet81 Haha indeed, it almost never ends up being simpler than you anticipate. But this might be one of those rare occasions. 🤭

  • @benfidar
    @benfidar Год назад +1

    I am certain that you considered de-pinnng and decided not to. Why, I don't know. I assume you have your reasons.

    • @SPANNERRASH
      @SPANNERRASH  Год назад

      Hi Ben, I certainly did think about it, and it might be something I end up doing.
      But I opted to take the quickest/cheapest/easiest route and splice them for now.
      I can come back and make things perfect later, but I decided to just work with what I got for now on this one. 😃