I think celestial legion helm is very underrated as an item. It helps sooo much against physical burst, and a mage doesn't sacrifice that much power for that protection. Specifically usefull against 1 hit burst assassins like loki, and the Mp5 and low price makes it a nice choice early if you're having touble
i feel like brestplate is simply better. yes, it has 40 less power and 15 less defense (on the first 3 hits), but i feel that only the 20% cooldown already pay off all of that, and the plus mana sustain of 300 mana+10mp5 gives the edge that makes celestial overall inferior. maybe give celestial +200hp would make it a decision really.
@@rick2987 well, there's a reason why breastplate is the go-to item, its bloody good. But the option of the helm, that gives 60 extra power, can mean clearing the wave successfully and not losing push against the enemy midlaner. Just saying its an option, specially early (also helm is cheeper)
Same like its amazing on Achilles, ama, guan, all healing warriors and I even use it on bellona sometimes as a hybrid item that makes your scourge heal a little better especially with berserker
Thank you for jumping to the defense of Talisman of Energy. I've been using that item for so long and so frequently even since I realized how much the passive gives. Never was able to comprehend why people don't use it and don't like it.
Talisman is STILL bonkers today, especially in Clash, Joust and Arena, where you can keep stacks up on your team almost indefinitely. The amount of mp5 it gives is actually... *absurd.* Your team will *never* have to back for being oom. The attack speed is always welcome, the movement speed is actually broken and the defensive stats make you at least immortal to magical one-shots. It synergizes stupidly well with the new flag starter item, which has the same-ish stack "aura" minus mp5, and doubles down on the speed. Rushing Talisman (or Sovreignty) with this new starter can almost swing a game by itself.
I tend to build Oni Hunters, Genji's Guard, or Robes, sometimes other magic defense items. Pestilence the problem I see is the fact Anti heal aura isn't good. Healers will just back away from you to get full heals if it bugs them, or other gods just poke for lifesteals out of the aura and burst you, then there are also burst heals that ignore anti heal items. Pestilence is also pretty much worthless due to high magic power scaling on abilities that heal. Since most healers will build pen they will now shred through your protections on top of getting even more healing than before.
@@cardyourenthusiasm9325 but do you want your support building divine with your mid? When they could grab a pesti and get extra antiheal on top of divine
@@johnnyappleseed8317 the effect of auras anti-healing doesn t last more than a second and requires you to be at range. so is useless if they just retreat to heal or spread out. it s usefull in some cases, but ain t gonna counter a ra, hel or aphro as the others do. but yeah, some more ah auras wom t harm anyone. except of course, vamana. he won t like it
I've been playing around a lot with talisman of energy in support recently. I am glad to hear someone else thinks this item is underrated cuz I've had good luck with it recently. Edit* said energy of talisman in original comment 😂😂😂
It's so damn cheap for what it gives. Hell I build it all the time and forgot it gives the mp5 that high lol. Clearing a wave into taking a tower with the buff is really nice. Especially if someone can pop a frenzy as well.
I know this sounds weird, but I love building talisman of energy on King Arthur. Mana for the spam, movement speed to stick, attack speed actually builds up your big ult faster+the team benefits.
i m changing shoguns for talisman of energy, as that speed helps a lot more on things like vamana, amaterasu, bellona and any melee AA than 8% atk speed (difference between the 2)
@@Gridl3y Exactly!! I really like after you get a tower kill and kill the minions it can give you a quick rotation to another lane to apply more pressure.
I build every single item that you listed Duke, and yes, I always receive angry comments about the items that I build, doesn't matter if we win or lose. Also, Mail of Renewal (specially for late game), Sheild of regrowth (it's more popular now) and hide of urchin are also undervalued.
Fuck yea someone is reppin mail of renewal! I love building that shit on Nike its cheap, give a TON of health for her ultimate and if you guys get the kill while she's shielded she heals its great.
Yeah Mail of Renewal is great for those games where we can win fights, but i'm always too low on health afterwards to push phoenixes. Stone of Gaia also competes for that niche, but the CDR on MoR is a pretty handy bonus.
Imo Atlantis Bow is better in almost every way than Hastened Katana for aa assassins. It gives better stats, the passive helps you rotate or retreat so it's not just for sticking to targets. And from what I've played you can stick to someone just as easily with Atlantis. You might have to stop auto-ing every so often but usually the person is dead before they out run you.
I agree, the only way I see the new stone of fal working is if you have another tank in the team that is already building defense for tanking then you can use it to become tankier. Other than that if everyone is just doing offensive it would be pretty much useless.
Stone of Fal is supposed to be build by mages imho. If the enemy team has a heavy magical damage comp, you can leech even more magical defense from your tank who, most likely, already built Thebes and Heartward to help you out. The item is good but it' VERY situational. Works really well on Assault where you sometimes see 4 mage comps due to bad luck on rerolls. For the item to be good in any situation, some changes are necessary tho.
@@moonjune29 the problem is that in the actual meta no one is gonna have a heavily focus magic damage team, as % pen on mages are shit, and so is flat. if you build 3 items of magic defense, the mages can only see you and surrender (if they re not scylla, as she has more % defense reduction in her 2 than any magical item) but yes, it can give you up to 105 magic defense (magic defense caps at 325, which 20% is 65 + 40 base)
In joust for a god like ah puch it can be really helpful with a aura tank who gave u so much defence combine with this passive. But in the other hand god like artio who are not all the time near you it's useless
I think Emperors armour is HUGELY underrated. Me and my buddies run it in ranked joust almost every game to allow us to be aggressive or have a better support when being defensive. But i hardly ever and i mean ever see it in conquest. 30% reduced attack speed to enemy towers and phoenix's and 40% increased attack speed to your own structures. I think its very very good.
It's even more underrated when you consider the towers were nerfed I think about a year ago now, they do less damage and have less health so emperors is even more effective as a result, I run it almost every game in assault
Talisman is good for extended teamfights. Talisman of energy is also exceptionally great in Assault or game modes where you cannot return to base, for the situation being that mp5 you still gain for your entire team as they clear waves and as long as they are near to get the stacks. The thing is heartward amulet is good for that steady stream of mp5 for your team but talisman just provides a burst of mp5 along with movement speed. Also on assault, build talisman of energy and then heartward your team will never run out of mana as long as they aren't throwing all 3 abilities out off cooldown. Hell even if you manage to run into minions on the way while chasing a god, kill them as long as you have the damage to one hit them without basic attacking them and you'll eventually catch up. Too long didn't read (tldr); Talisman: Good for burst mp5, extended teamfights and teamfights in general. Good for escapes and chases, even better sustain if paired up with heartward amulet. A staple when the situation requires it or want to build it over heartward. Or both if your going double protection your mages will thank you, especially healers.
All these items are just situational. That’s why people don’t build them. People blindly follow a meta and then just call gods broken when they get beat by the same build, when they could just use counter items
I thought relic dagger would turn up here. I hardly see anyone building it, but having my support relics up super fast is amazing. Especially if I'm using belt of frenzy.
If I'm picking up Spear of the Magus it's usually to assist with burning objectives or if the enemy team has an aggressive dive. I love Specialist Blessing in Assault if I die before I return with enough gold to build boots. Winged Blade is a tricky one. The last few seasons there has been such a strong emphasis on building like a glass canon or Hybrid tank and the unique utility of Winged Blade doesn't really fit in to those kind of builds too well. Bulwark is great when you're in solo lane vs a mage cos usually means there are two mages on the team. Talisman is another item I love in Assault.
I always build Atalanta's Bow when I'm playing Heimdall or Chernobog, it's one of my first items. Caduceus Shield I like to use in Horus, but I'll pay more attention to it in other characters. Thanks for the tips!
❤ you my guy knows what's good. I was watching solo Double J play Chern the other day and he whined bit at the end of it how it felt like ass. He had a bad time confirming the 1-2 combo. But my guy knows that with extra movement speed you can punish people who don't backpedal fast enough and just like kukulkan people try and back pedal or sidestep when they see the tornado coming instead of turning around to run which will kill them. Basically if he has atalanta's bow he can win footsies much more easily and confirm his stun.
You can think of "Bulwark of Hope " as an item with 600 hp at max level that doesn't get countered by quin' s sais and heartseeker. Just a beautiful choice .
im assault auras are more powerfull, as you cannot have a teamfight were the auras don t reach your allies or there aren t minions. but yes, talisman cool
What was the comp if you remember? I played against double nox double Hercules in infinite assault and I wanted to kill myself. It never really occurred to me though that you can do full healers in Conquest but shouldn't be that hard :) got Yemoja, Terra, Sylvanus, Guan Yu, Horus, Aphrodite, Hel, Chang'e, Cupid, and Baron Samedi. They could make a sensible team, ignoring Gods with more self-sustain. I'd include an assassin for fun but I can't think of one with team heals.
Rawk Hawk Yemoja, Hades, Thanatos, Chaac, and Skadi. As you can see almost all heals. Despite this I got hate for saying they should consider anti-heal. Duo got complete stomped btw.
Dude those are my favorite games. Especially when you just type "antiheal please?" Trying not to sound like a dick, and just get spam laughed everytime I died cause nobody wanted to help 😬
The best item no one built was Shamans Ring. They removed it because no one built it, but that shit was OP af! Every god could benefit from it heavily, especially once they added cooldown instead of speed. It was lowkey one of, if not THE strongest item in the game, yet no one used it. My theory was that due to it being under rings, and the strange stacking mechanic on it, no one bothered picking it up. 110 power, 10% cdr, and 10% extra damage was super strong. Even single hit gods like scylla could benefit, hit a root and get a 10% extra damage crush. I hope one day they bring back shamans ring, and revert magus back to what it was. Magus is just a more niche shamans ring now.
Shamans was only that good when it had movement speed, when they removed the MS and gave it CDR im pretty sure it was just a worse Spear of Deso that you had to stack to be good
*me with my boy Chaac having transcendence, caduceus shield, and even a heartseeker if its super late and I can get away with it and don't need more defense* *me with Chaac's 3 healing about half my health every 10 seconds while smacking around all them* >:)
Never use it much in other modes, but Talisman of Energy is nearly always a must buy for me on Assault. I don't think I have to explain why the passive is good in that mode, but.. you pretty much get infinite mana.
Jokes on you, I'm a Ganesha main I build alot of these things all time. Talisman of Energy specifically has been a brutal power play people don't see coming.
I build most on this list, but sometimes i likes to build Sylvanus or Artio with Specialist blessing for the lulz and it works. And, again, just for the meme, i like to build Odín or Nike full shields, so i build Bulwark and Urchin, plus Shell, and the other shield i forgot the name, with dice shields barely anything can kill me:v Artio with Talismán of Energy works sometimes too.
Staff of Myrddin IS OP FOR ARES , I Swear if you have that move plus the Pendant as well it becomes super OP Because Ares is support anyway so imagine getting hit my SIX CHAINS LMAOOO I do it all the time , it’s soo Fun and to make it more op you can attach that one move that reduces 3s from all your cool downs when you get a God assist or Kill as well so those 3 moves plus your Shoe , and 2 Auras of your choosing is Mad OP
The hell? I've been building this items. MAINLY cad shield. It's god tier item in any warrior whit a Heal. It makes Mulan unstopabble, her heals get insane midgame. I think playing only conquest limits the sight of the players too much, some of these items are SSS tier in other modes, such as Gaia in Assault, Tal of energy in arena. Conquest players unlearned a fundamental aspect of this game: counterbuilding. smh
Maybe its cuz i mainly play duel (D2), and its a healer/hunter meta...but i literally build all of these (at least 1 per game/matchup) almost every game i can think of. But like i said, it may be cuz i play an underrated gamemode based on counterplay. But nice vid
I aurea with all of these items and wanna add these; 1. Charon's Coin 2. Contagion 3. Soul Ester 4. Witchblade 5. Midgardian Mail 6. Emperor's Armor 7. Stone of Binding (people abandon the item after nerfs but actually its still great for that price) 8.Pridwen 9.Magic Shell(people still buy meditation cloak omg) 10. Runeforged Hammer (50 physical power 200+ health and amazing passive) Actualy hammer tree in general very underrated.
If in doubt, buy stone of Gaia, that's my rule. And if I build it, I go attack and attack and attack. NB: It's not about conquest but about other maps.
@@devonhoward8620 that's what I thought, but I swear I remember Duke mentioning that it wasn't supposed to work against lifesteal or something like that and now I can't find video.
Im honestly surprised Oni's didnt get at least a mention. I never see it built (except when i build it) and it's actually pretty good, it gives 20% anti CC, mana sustain, 60 (i think) magical def and 100 hp which by itself is not bad at all, but on top of that u get 3% mitigation for each enemy nearby, max 3 so basically 9% mitigation if u can afford to go in that makes u pretty tanky so it's likely u will be able to do so. Idk if it's just my personal experience but that's how i see it, maybe it has to do smth with the fact that i play mostly joust, but this item is even better in that gamemode so idk. Is there something i'm not seeing that makes it a bad item? Just an anecdote: last time i used it with a friend we were doing double warrior frontline (KA + Achilles, aka double A for us) and we convinced the enemy herc to build it through complete abuse of it. it's so funny we managed to mitigate almost 120k dmg in a 30 min joust and every enemy player had penetration
Yeah Cad Shield is great, and using it on someone like Horus or Guan or even Chaac is amazing because if your healer gets Rod of Tauhiti instead of asclepius their healing will go through the roof. Granted that's in combat and below 50% hp. It's nasty. Thanks @FineOkay for preaching it every time he picks it up.
I built specialists on Ares the other day thinking about how the mana sustain and CDR would be really nice at the beginning, and justifying it with the fact that almost all his damage comes from DoTs, so I was almost guaranteed 6 stacks per rotation. Where it really shined, though, was when the movement speed kicked in. You hit your chains and you can just run circles around people.
I often build talisman of energy on support. Situationally a much better support item if you're ahead even slightly. Gets your team snowballing very quickly.
no one is going to build bulkward of hope. it simply lacks on all what it does. it doesn t give enought hp for giving survivability to a not tank god, and has not usefull stats for anyone tanks to help or damage to, well, damage. maybe a bit more hp and defense, like +50hp +10 defense would push it on the meta, but in his actual state, were BLOODFORGE gives you more shield and also very good stats + some extra effect on the passive, has no resourcefull stat, and it alone cannot give you enough tankiness in general, it aint fitting on any build. maybe a selfish solo who only wants to tank for some reason
I wish I had a recording of the first time Talisman of energy was released because I wish I could have shown you it. Literally used it for the movement speed. Literally kept quoting run jokes from different movies.
Everything's perfect except that Specialist's Blessing is not a good option for joust. At least in higher ranks where it really matters how much pressure you have in very early game. Especially with last Mage's Blessing buff - there are better options even for healers rly
People simply don't build those items as much because they don't have as much offensive and most are somewhat focused on support or counter building. Talisman of energy is truly really good for support when combined with other speed boosts like the winged shoes relic or heartward amulet for increasing the mp5 even further. But honestly I agree overall but I would also add many of those items are also niche items.
I alwyse build atalantas bow instead of Obow, i think it is stronger specially on hunters as a sixth item. You can combine atalantas with toxic Star and reach sole level of hastened fatalis effect, can he increased using frostbound yet it is not that viable. Thanks for the rrcommendations, i deffinitively will ve building this ítems more now.
What's funny is all of the auras you mentioned are items I WOULD use more often if I had more friends to play the game with, but since I dont trust randoms within 20 feet of me, the only aura I end up building regularly is mystical mail
Sheezers. I usually ignored some items because I thought enemies meant that it activated only on gods, but now I feel like so many more options are available to me! Talisman of Energy is really good for Assault, I should research items more
I think shoguns is still undervalued. I almost never see people buy it, and it can be a really strong item in solo lane especially. It's strong enough that it can even be good in duel, where you aren't making use of the aura.
Don't let anyone tell you that you're pronouncing 'caduceus' wrong because the original classical Latin pronunciation was exactly as you've been saying it.
Could you start putting a list of what you talk about in the descriptions. Sometimes I just want to know what the items are without hearing an explanation for em.
People think Talisman of Energy is bad? Wtf is wrong with you guys!? Aside from Atalanta's Bow, i build everything on this list when the opportunity to do so presents itself. Spear of the Magus is criminally underrated, it's such a fantastic choice for tick damage gods. If you are saying it's good imma give Atalanta's a go.
I build Staff of Myrddin on Aphro and Artio.....Aphro can get either a double heal or a double stomp off and it kills, and Artio can get a double stun with the bear’s roar
I think the main reason people don't build cadecues shield is because how devastating anti heals are. You get in a team fight and they run anti heals it's passive and any lifesteal you have is trash. My gf plays aphro and if the enemy team runs anti heals I've seen her heal tick go from 130+ to 20.
@@barrelrolljones3837 Lifesteal isn't that good on Jorm. Both his autos and abilites are AoE so he only gets 33% lifesteal from his kit. Check the Word of Thoth smite mechanics guide.
mate, why are you putting atalanta's as an alternative to hastened? you build both on a vamana, maybe with some crit (wind demon), and you go turbo on his ult
it weird i dont fallow item metas? I just buy like 2-3 popular items and slap whatever dh the situation calls for ooooor i'm tryin to have fun, ffs i usually build a tnk anubis just 2 see if i can get away with it (which i usually do SOMEHOW)
I hadn't realized that Energy Talisman gave quite that much MP5. But Stone of Gaia is definitely underrated. People think it sucks because Antiheal is so strong, but it really doesn't.
I think celestial legion helm is very underrated as an item. It helps sooo much against physical burst, and a mage doesn't sacrifice that much power for that protection. Specifically usefull against 1 hit burst assassins like loki, and the Mp5 and low price makes it a nice choice early if you're having touble
Agreed, its always one of my go to items if they are shitting on me with phys
i feel like brestplate is simply better. yes, it has 40 less power and 15 less defense (on the first 3 hits), but i feel that only the 20% cooldown already pay off all of that, and the plus mana sustain of 300 mana+10mp5 gives the edge that makes celestial overall inferior. maybe give celestial +200hp would make it a decision really.
@@rick2987 well, there's a reason why breastplate is the go-to item, its bloody good. But the option of the helm, that gives 60 extra power, can mean clearing the wave successfully and not losing push against the enemy midlaner. Just saying its an option, specially early (also helm is cheeper)
Physical dots / crusher can remove the stacks from celestial helm quickly
I agree. It's definitely an item that can still be very good in specific situations.
I actually build cad shield on every warrior that has healing in solo
Same like its amazing on Achilles, ama, guan, all healing warriors and I even use it on bellona sometimes as a hybrid item that makes your scourge heal a little better especially with berserker
I use it on every physical god with self healing, it's so good I dont understand why its underrated
@@ryanhodges5597 Try it on Vamana with his ult. Leads to some silly results lol
I love playing cas where noone uses antiheal against ANUBIS LOL
Same.
I pair it with tyr and then ez game.
Thank you for jumping to the defense of Talisman of Energy. I've been using that item for so long and so frequently even since I realized how much the passive gives. Never was able to comprehend why people don't use it and don't like it.
I love it on Amaterasu in particular. With her speed form your whole team can chase anyone and punish the enemy retreating or dying fast.
Marvel Kyle oh yeah on ama talisman and shoguns are a nasty combo
It's a really good item in assault
Talisman is STILL bonkers today, especially in Clash, Joust and Arena, where you can keep stacks up on your team almost indefinitely. The amount of mp5 it gives is actually... *absurd.* Your team will *never* have to back for being oom. The attack speed is always welcome, the movement speed is actually broken and the defensive stats make you at least immortal to magical one-shots. It synergizes stupidly well with the new flag starter item, which has the same-ish stack "aura" minus mp5, and doubles down on the speed. Rushing Talisman (or Sovreignty) with this new starter can almost swing a game by itself.
Why ppl don't build most of magical defense items? Pestilence.
I tend to build Oni Hunters, Genji's Guard, or Robes, sometimes other magic defense items.
Pestilence the problem I see is the fact Anti heal aura isn't good. Healers will just back away from you to get full heals if it bugs them, or other gods just poke for lifesteals out of the aura and burst you, then there are also burst heals that ignore anti heal items. Pestilence is also pretty much worthless due to high magic power scaling on abilities that heal. Since most healers will build pen they will now shred through your protections on top of getting even more healing than before.
@@francisharkins Also, Rod of Asclepius and Caduceus Shield literally cancel out the anti-heal aura items.
Brawlers > pestilence
Divine ruin > pestilence
@@cardyourenthusiasm9325 but do you want your support building divine with your mid? When they could grab a pesti and get extra antiheal on top of divine
@@johnnyappleseed8317 the effect of auras anti-healing doesn t last more than a second and requires you to be at range. so is useless if they just retreat to heal or spread out. it s usefull in some cases, but ain t gonna counter a ra, hel or aphro as the others do.
but yeah, some more ah auras wom t harm anyone. except of course, vamana. he won t like it
I've been playing around a lot with talisman of energy in support recently. I am glad to hear someone else thinks this item is underrated cuz I've had good luck with it recently.
Edit* said energy of talisman in original comment 😂😂😂
It's so damn cheap for what it gives. Hell I build it all the time and forgot it gives the mp5 that high lol.
Clearing a wave into taking a tower with the buff is really nice. Especially if someone can pop a frenzy as well.
I know this sounds weird, but I love building talisman of energy on King Arthur.
Mana for the spam, movement speed to stick, attack speed actually builds up your big ult faster+the team benefits.
i m changing shoguns for talisman of energy, as that speed helps a lot more on things like vamana, amaterasu, bellona and any melee AA than 8% atk speed (difference between the 2)
@@Gridl3y Exactly!! I really like after you get a tower kill and kill the minions it can give you a quick rotation to another lane to apply more pressure.
@@WisdomCat2198 never thought about that! I dont play KA alot but actually it sounds pretty kool on him I may try it next time I get solo.
Cad shield is almost always in my builds when applicable. Solo and jungler. Occasional guan support.
I build every single item that you listed Duke, and yes, I always receive angry comments about the items that I build, doesn't matter if we win or lose. Also, Mail of Renewal (specially for late game), Sheild of regrowth (it's more popular now) and hide of urchin are also undervalued.
Fuck yea someone is reppin mail of renewal! I love building that shit on Nike its cheap, give a TON of health for her ultimate and if you guys get the kill while she's shielded she heals its great.
Yeah Mail of Renewal is great for those games where we can win fights, but i'm always too low on health afterwards to push phoenixes. Stone of Gaia also competes for that niche, but the CDR on MoR is a pretty handy bonus.
Mail of Renewal is bad, and worse than Stone of Gaia
@@kriegaone3658 it really isn't, it's a niche item and depends on what game mode you play, I use it all the time in assault and it brilliant there
@@Fenriir I meant in conquest. There it's awful.
I’ve built Atalanta’s Bow on Bellona and people thought I was speedhacking
Dont let this informative video distract you from how clean that disc pull was 6:30
I appreciate the compliment!
Imo Atlantis Bow is better in almost every way than Hastened Katana for aa assassins. It gives better stats, the passive helps you rotate or retreat so it's not just for sticking to targets. And from what I've played you can stick to someone just as easily with Atlantis. You might have to stop auto-ing every so often but usually the person is dead before they out run you.
Stone of fal is even more shit now I miss the old passive where a single magical ability can't 1 shot u
I agree, the only way I see the new stone of fal working is if you have another tank in the team that is already building defense for tanking then you can use it to become tankier. Other than that if everyone is just doing offensive it would be pretty much useless.
Stone of Fal is supposed to be build by mages imho. If the enemy team has a heavy magical damage comp, you can leech even more magical defense from your tank who, most likely, already built Thebes and Heartward to help you out. The item is good but it' VERY situational. Works really well on Assault where you sometimes see 4 mage comps due to bad luck on rerolls.
For the item to be good in any situation, some changes are necessary tho.
@@moonjune29 the problem is that in the actual meta no one is gonna have a heavily focus magic damage team, as % pen on mages are shit, and so is flat. if you build 3 items of magic defense, the mages can only see you and surrender (if they re not scylla, as she has more % defense reduction in her 2 than any magical item)
but yes, it can give you up to 105 magic defense (magic defense caps at 325, which 20% is 65 + 40 base)
In joust for a god like ah puch it can be really helpful with a aura tank who gave u so much defence combine with this passive. But in the other hand god like artio who are not all the time near you it's useless
That was the Season 4 version
I think Emperors armour is HUGELY underrated. Me and my buddies run it in ranked joust almost every game to allow us to be aggressive or have a better support when being defensive. But i hardly ever and i mean ever see it in conquest. 30% reduced attack speed to enemy towers and phoenix's and 40% increased attack speed to your own structures. I think its very very good.
It's even more underrated when you consider the towers were nerfed I think about a year ago now, they do less damage and have less health so emperors is even more effective as a result, I run it almost every game in assault
Talisman is good for extended teamfights. Talisman of energy is also exceptionally great in Assault or game modes where you cannot return to base, for the situation being that mp5 you still gain for your entire team as they clear waves and as long as they are near to get the stacks.
The thing is heartward amulet is good for that steady stream of mp5 for your team but talisman just provides a burst of mp5 along with movement speed.
Also on assault, build talisman of energy and then heartward your team will never run out of mana as long as they aren't throwing all 3 abilities out off cooldown.
Hell even if you manage to run into minions on the way while chasing a god, kill them as long as you have the damage to one hit them without basic attacking them and you'll eventually catch up.
Too long didn't read (tldr); Talisman: Good for burst mp5, extended teamfights and teamfights in general. Good for escapes and chases, even better sustain if paired up with heartward amulet. A staple when the situation requires it or want to build it over heartward. Or both if your going double protection your mages will thank you, especially healers.
All these items are just situational. That’s why people don’t build them. People blindly follow a meta and then just call gods broken when they get beat by the same build, when they could just use counter items
if Pythagorem IS GIVEN BACL THE CDR...
it would be amazing :)
come on HIREZ
GIVE THE CDR BACK !!!
I thought relic dagger would turn up here. I hardly see anyone building it, but having my support relics up super fast is amazing. Especially if I'm using belt of frenzy.
kuh·doo·see·uhs, Just gonna leave this here lol maybe more people would use it if they knew how to say it
If I'm picking up Spear of the Magus it's usually to assist with burning objectives or if the enemy team has an aggressive dive.
I love Specialist Blessing in Assault if I die before I return with enough gold to build boots.
Winged Blade is a tricky one. The last few seasons there has been such a strong emphasis on building like a glass canon or Hybrid tank and the unique utility of Winged Blade doesn't really fit in to those kind of builds too well.
Bulwark is great when you're in solo lane vs a mage cos usually means there are two mages on the team.
Talisman is another item I love in Assault.
I always build Atalanta's Bow when I'm playing Heimdall or Chernobog, it's one of my first items. Caduceus Shield I like to use in Horus, but I'll pay more attention to it in other characters. Thanks for the tips!
❤ you my guy knows what's good. I was watching solo Double J play Chern the other day and he whined bit at the end of it how it felt like ass. He had a bad time confirming the 1-2 combo. But my guy knows that with extra movement speed you can punish people who don't backpedal fast enough and just like kukulkan people try and back pedal or sidestep when they see the tornado coming instead of turning around to run which will kill them. Basically if he has atalanta's bow he can win footsies much more easily and confirm his stun.
You can think of "Bulwark of Hope " as an item with 600 hp at max level that doesn't get countered by quin' s sais and heartseeker. Just a beautiful choice .
I'm an assault main. I love talisman of energy and pythagoras piece. You give everyone a large stat boost as long as the defense auras are out
Talisman should be more core in assault than meditation IMO. That 60 mp5 buff makes an insane difference if one team builds it and the other doesn't.
im assault auras are more powerfull, as you cannot have a teamfight were the auras don t reach your allies or there aren t minions.
but yes, talisman cool
Ata Bow+Frostbound on an AA based Nemesis with either Crit or Pen build is amazing
Literally played against a full healer comp and told my team to buy antiheal. I got spammed with "No" in VGS. We lost btw.
I feel your pain man
What was the comp if you remember? I played against double nox double Hercules in infinite assault and I wanted to kill myself. It never really occurred to me though that you can do full healers in Conquest but shouldn't be that hard :) got Yemoja, Terra, Sylvanus, Guan Yu, Horus, Aphrodite, Hel, Chang'e, Cupid, and Baron Samedi. They could make a sensible team, ignoring Gods with more self-sustain. I'd include an assassin for fun but I can't think of one with team heals.
Rawk Hawk Yemoja, Hades, Thanatos, Chaac, and Skadi. As you can see almost all heals. Despite this I got hate for saying they should consider anti-heal. Duo got complete stomped btw.
Dude those are my favorite games. Especially when you just type "antiheal please?" Trying not to sound like a dick, and just get spam laughed everytime I died cause nobody wanted to help 😬
The best item no one built was Shamans Ring. They removed it because no one built it, but that shit was OP af! Every god could benefit from it heavily, especially once they added cooldown instead of speed. It was lowkey one of, if not THE strongest item in the game, yet no one used it. My theory was that due to it being under rings, and the strange stacking mechanic on it, no one bothered picking it up. 110 power, 10% cdr, and 10% extra damage was super strong. Even single hit gods like scylla could benefit, hit a root and get a 10% extra damage crush. I hope one day they bring back shamans ring, and revert magus back to what it was. Magus is just a more niche shamans ring now.
Shamans was only that good when it had movement speed, when they removed the MS and gave it CDR im pretty sure it was just a worse Spear of Deso that you had to stack to be good
Talisman is perfect for assault btw🤞
Talisman of Energy has been my favorite item since its release. Love building it
Duke, great video as per usual. What do you think could be done/added/altered to Mail of Renewal to make it more viable or see any genuine play?
*me with my boy Chaac having transcendence, caduceus shield, and even a heartseeker if its super late and I can get away with it and don't need more defense*
*me with Chaac's 3 healing about half my health every 10 seconds while smacking around all them*
>:)
Stfu
Never use it much in other modes, but Talisman of Energy is nearly always a must buy for me on Assault. I don't think I have to explain why the passive is good in that mode, but.. you pretty much get infinite mana.
pythag can be good on magical bruiser/divers for both objectives and off combat sustain
I've built Cad shield on Thanatos. It be like that sometimes.
Jokes on you, I'm a Ganesha main I build alot of these things all time. Talisman of Energy specifically has been a brutal power play people don't see coming.
I build most on this list, but sometimes i likes to build Sylvanus or Artio with Specialist blessing for the lulz and it works.
And, again, just for the meme, i like to build Odín or Nike full shields, so i build Bulwark and Urchin, plus Shell, and the other shield i forgot the name, with dice shields barely anything can kill me:v Artio with Talismán of Energy works sometimes too.
Staff of Myrddin IS OP FOR ARES , I Swear if you have that move plus the Pendant as well it becomes super OP
Because Ares is support anyway so imagine getting hit my SIX CHAINS LMAOOO I do it all the time , it’s soo Fun and to make it more op you can attach that one move that reduces 3s from all your cool downs when you get a God assist or Kill as well so those 3 moves plus your Shoe , and 2 Auras of your choosing is Mad OP
GREAT FUCKING VIDEO MATE !!!!!!! Very informational , you are Goated for this
People aren't building Pythag? It's great on an offensive Gaurdian.
I build it when I go Artio, it's solid for sure
Its a good item but its not as good anymore ever since they removed the cdr
@@lowki5768 no definitely not as viable now , but still decent enough
I see it a lot tbh
It's also great on mids who can use it that also have a Transcendence hunter on the team. I like building it after Boots on Thoth in those situations.
The hell? I've been building this items. MAINLY cad shield. It's god tier item in any warrior whit a Heal. It makes Mulan unstopabble, her heals get insane midgame. I think playing only conquest limits the sight of the players too much, some of these items are SSS tier in other modes, such as Gaia in Assault, Tal of energy in arena. Conquest players unlearned a fundamental aspect of this game: counterbuilding. smh
Maybe its cuz i mainly play duel (D2), and its a healer/hunter meta...but i literally build all of these (at least 1 per game/matchup) almost every game i can think of. But like i said, it may be cuz i play an underrated gamemode based on counterplay. But nice vid
I aurea with all of these items and wanna add these;
1. Charon's Coin
2. Contagion
3. Soul Ester
4. Witchblade
5. Midgardian Mail
6. Emperor's Armor
7. Stone of Binding (people abandon the item after nerfs but actually its still great for that price)
8.Pridwen
9.Magic Shell(people still buy meditation cloak omg)
10. Runeforged Hammer (50 physical power 200+ health and amazing passive) Actualy hammer tree in general very underrated.
If in doubt, buy stone of Gaia, that's my rule.
And if I build it, I go attack and attack and attack. NB: It's not about conquest but about other maps.
People aren't building Caduceus Shield? I hardly notice because I love it on a good amount of my builds and it feels really good to use.
Okay, does anti heal work against lifesteal? Didn't they change something about that a few months ago?
I believe anti heals work on any healing. Lifesteal, ability heal, percentage heal, hp Regen and all
@@devonhoward8620 that's what I thought, but I swear I remember Duke mentioning that it wasn't supposed to work against lifesteal or something like that and now I can't find video.
@@IdaKicker i think you are talking about the cad shield and rod of asclepius passives, they used to buff anti heal but not anymore
Antiheal works against lifesteal. At start of Season 7 they stopped asclepius/cad shield passive from buffing lifesteal though.
@@cocogamer91 okay awesome! that's exactly what it was. thank you very much. I knew there was something...
I build cad shield on ao Kuang. So when I'm in trouble I go invisible then detonate immediately to speed out of danger.
I thought cad shield could only be bought on physical gods?
People aren't building pythagorem piece?? I almost always build it if I'm unsure about a last item for my solo jorm
Im honestly surprised Oni's didnt get at least a mention. I never see it built (except when i build it) and it's actually pretty good, it gives 20% anti CC, mana sustain, 60 (i think) magical def and 100 hp which by itself is not bad at all, but on top of that u get 3% mitigation for each enemy nearby, max 3 so basically 9% mitigation if u can afford to go in that makes u pretty tanky so it's likely u will be able to do so.
Idk if it's just my personal experience but that's how i see it, maybe it has to do smth with the fact that i play mostly joust, but this item is even better in that gamemode so idk.
Is there something i'm not seeing that makes it a bad item?
Just an anecdote: last time i used it with a friend we were doing double warrior frontline (KA + Achilles, aka double A for us) and we convinced the enemy herc to build it through complete abuse of it. it's so funny we managed to mitigate almost 120k dmg in a 30 min joust and every enemy player had penetration
Yeah Cad Shield is great, and using it on someone like Horus or Guan or even Chaac is amazing because if your healer gets Rod of Tauhiti instead of asclepius their healing will go through the roof. Granted that's in combat and below 50% hp. It's nasty.
Thanks @FineOkay for preaching it every time he picks it up.
I built specialists on Ares the other day thinking about how the mana sustain and CDR would be really nice at the beginning, and justifying it with the fact that almost all his damage comes from DoTs, so I was almost guaranteed 6 stacks per rotation. Where it really shined, though, was when the movement speed kicked in. You hit your chains and you can just run circles around people.
I often build talisman of energy on support. Situationally a much better support item if you're ahead even slightly. Gets your team snowballing very quickly.
no one is going to build bulkward of hope. it simply lacks on all what it does. it doesn t give enought hp for giving survivability to a not tank god, and has not usefull stats for anyone tanks to help or damage to, well, damage. maybe a bit more hp and defense, like +50hp +10 defense would push it on the meta, but in his actual state, were BLOODFORGE gives you more shield and also very good stats + some extra effect on the passive, has no resourcefull stat, and it alone cannot give you enough tankiness in general, it aint fitting on any build. maybe a selfish solo who only wants to tank for some reason
I wish I had a recording of the first time Talisman of energy was released because I wish I could have shown you it. Literally used it for the movement speed. Literally kept quoting run jokes from different movies.
Everything's perfect except that Specialist's Blessing is not a good option for joust. At least in higher ranks where it really matters how much pressure you have in very early game. Especially with last Mage's Blessing buff - there are better options even for healers rly
People simply don't build those items as much because they don't have as much offensive and most are somewhat focused on support or counter building. Talisman of energy is truly really good for support when combined with other speed boosts like the winged shoes relic or heartward amulet for increasing the mp5 even further. But honestly I agree overall but I would also add many of those items are also niche items.
I alwyse build atalantas bow instead of Obow, i think it is stronger specially on hunters as a sixth item. You can combine atalantas with toxic Star and reach sole level of hastened fatalis effect, can he increased using frostbound yet it is not that viable. Thanks for the rrcommendations, i deffinitively will ve building this ítems more now.
What's funny is all of the auras you mentioned are items I WOULD use more often if I had more friends to play the game with, but since I dont trust randoms within 20 feet of me, the only aura I end up building regularly is mystical mail
Sheezers. I usually ignored some items because I thought enemies meant that it activated only on gods, but now I feel like so many more options are available to me! Talisman of Energy is really good for Assault, I should research items more
I buy cad shield with max cool down on AMA and just never die from stance changing. Get speedy boots for extra fun
I think shoguns is still undervalued. I almost never see people buy it, and it can be a really strong item in solo lane especially. It's strong enough that it can even be good in duel, where you aren't making use of the aura.
Don't let anyone tell you that you're pronouncing 'caduceus' wrong because the original classical Latin pronunciation was exactly as you've been saying it.
I still build Magus on Raijin :D people tell me I'm stupid for it, but I think it works
The biggest struggles of casual conquest is the lack of wards.
Then don't play casual.
If you don't get upgraded cursed ahnk you're trolling there is no reason to not spend 500 gold for a giant team buff
Bulwark I usually build in solo late game as a secondary magical defense item if the enemy team has a hard hitting late game mage.
Stone of Gaia has never left my sight ❤
Pls stop! You are gonna make my adc build toxic blade...
Cah doosh us sheild not cah du key ah
Ancile is beautiful against anubis since his grab does no damage it stops his cone attack instantly
Could you start putting a list of what you talk about in the descriptions. Sometimes I just want to know what the items are without hearing an explanation for em.
Hmmmmm play a game with only items on this list? Challenging accepted
i didn't realize talisman of energy worked with minions
I actually use a lot of these items. There are a couple tho that I don't use much if at all tho.
Playing duels, most of this items are very usefull in a lot of situation
I use most of these items frequently besides Alannas bow
wait people aren't building cad shield?
We need to see more frostbound hammer on adcs and maybe even auto based assassins
I hate seeing a trash discordia because she’s so damn easy to play
winged blade conter to ah puch poseidon and hades ult
Does talisman of energy count as an aura in the case of area passive?
Golden Blade is only going to be good in Cthulu patch
Guan yu became my main solo pick cuz of Caduceus
I always build caduceus shield on guan yu.
I was certain I'd see Silver Branch
I main support and almost every game I get relic dagger lmao
Overrated item for me
I use talisman on Odin in jung really good
Tbh I cannot imagine Talisman of energy being good in any situation
This aged like milk and I love it 😂
Do a 10 off meta gods no one plays video next
People think Talisman of Energy is bad? Wtf is wrong with you guys!? Aside from Atalanta's Bow, i build everything on this list when the opportunity to do so presents itself. Spear of the Magus is criminally underrated, it's such a fantastic choice for tick damage gods.
If you are saying it's good imma give Atalanta's a go.
It’s not underrated it’s just a VERY situational item.
spear of the magus on kuku is so good
it only works on one ability
spear of the magus is my fav item
I build Staff of Myrddin on Aphro and Artio.....Aphro can get either a double heal or a double stomp off and it kills, and Artio can get a double stun with the bear’s roar
Also run pridwen with it, and try the same on sylvanus too, thank me later 😂
XD Duke Sloth what rank r u?
I think the main reason people don't build cadecues shield is because how devastating anti heals are. You get in a team fight and they run anti heals it's passive and any lifesteal you have is trash. My gf plays aphro and if the enemy team runs anti heals I've seen her heal tick go from 130+ to 20.
Cad Shield is good for out-of-combat healing, not in-combat healing. You take poke, disengage, then heal.
Support doom orb is fun to use
Everytime I have built Toxic blade on Kali, I have survived atleast once with
Not bad on kali I will try it thx
Myridins staff op on Dmg Sylvanus
I always see people build these, including myself 😕 disappointing vid
What rank are you (Conquest) ?
Hey pythag is good in solo for magical solo because it gives a lot you need for solo healing and health but its also good bit of damage
I don't know, I prefer going lifesteal boots into something like a breastplate of valor on solos such as baron/aphro/etc. Helps with early clear
@@stepbrother.69 well I'm talking about jorm solo its really good on him because you gain 24% life steal and you gain about 3 health per damage tick
@@barrelrolljones3837 Lifesteal isn't that good on Jorm. Both his autos and abilites are AoE so he only gets 33% lifesteal from his kit. Check the Word of Thoth smite mechanics guide.
mate, why are you putting atalanta's as an alternative to hastened? you build both on a vamana, maybe with some crit (wind demon), and you go turbo on his ult
If enemies have braincells they're just gonna build ankh and poop on you :(
it weird i dont fallow item metas? I just buy like 2-3 popular items and slap whatever dh the situation calls for ooooor i'm tryin to have fun, ffs i usually build a tnk anubis just 2 see if i can get away with it (which i usually do SOMEHOW)
I hadn't realized that Energy Talisman gave quite that much MP5.
But Stone of Gaia is definitely underrated. People think it sucks because Antiheal is so strong, but it really doesn't.