Why these maps should NOT exist!

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  • Опубликовано: 6 ноя 2024

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  • @SpaghettiRoad
    @SpaghettiRoad  3 года назад +193

    Link to merch is spaghettiroad.com :)

  • @miguelpedro8029
    @miguelpedro8029 3 года назад +1074

    The best way to know the date of a map is to check if Portugal exists: If it does you can imeddiately narrow it down to between 1143 and the present day. And if it has the modern borders you know imeddiately that the map was made after 1250

    • @User-qz2wz
      @User-qz2wz 3 года назад +96

      Thanks. Tip helps a lot

    • @igorsmihailovs52
      @igorsmihailovs52 3 года назад +100

      This is even better advice than the one which told you to spin around with eyes closed for 5 minutes "and then You will be facing North", with a footnote "it only works if You are lost on South Pole".
      Sorry, I don't remember who was the author of this comment.

    • @BananenLP
      @BananenLP 3 года назад +45

      But you have to aware of the Iberian Union between 1580 and 1640, where Portugal might not be drawn as an independent country

    • @anawesomepet
      @anawesomepet 3 года назад +8

      If you can see that book, it is from at least 200,000BC
      (To avoid confusion)
      If the book EXISTS, it is from at least 200,000BC
      sry for the possible confusion.
      New Update!
      If it is made of paper, it is from at least 100BC.

    • @matpk
      @matpk 3 года назад +2

      @@BananenLP Compare 1930s Nazi Germany Vs 2020s Communist Chinazi IN YOUR NEXT VIDEO Project.

  • @KhAnubis
    @KhAnubis 3 года назад +1469

    Yes! More people calling it Dr. Congo!

  • @gregh378
    @gregh378 3 года назад +843

    I recently went to a wedding in a castle. I saw a world map on the wall that was made to look like a 200 year old antique, but showed South Sudan.
    It was the strangest artefact.

  • @luizsa8300
    @luizsa8300 3 года назад +96

    That last Atlas is a treat for all geography enthusiasts! It’s a veritable encyclopedia of the world as seen from the Western perspective at the turn of the last century and was probably quite expensive.

  • @johanrosenberg6342
    @johanrosenberg6342 3 года назад +42

    Not a map or an atlas, but I once found my grandfather's old elementary school history book. It was quite interesting in that it contained an entire chapter on WWII.
    But because the book was written in 1943 it had to end on a cliffhanger...

    • @gustavju4686
      @gustavju4686 2 года назад +3

      Reminds me of some of the school books I had that ended in the Iraq war.

  • @WhyDoIBeHere
    @WhyDoIBeHere 3 года назад +81

    Awesome and super interesting analysis, enjoyed every second of it! One thing to add is also the fact that it matters who drew the map. Countries dont always agree on international borders/changes and might draw two different maps at the same time.

  • @PalkkiTT
    @PalkkiTT 3 года назад +364

    I love old maps! ❤️🗺️ I bought a giant Europe map from 1962 from my school for 10€. It was just lying in storage.

    • @haiiwje
      @haiiwje 3 года назад +7

      Cool

    • @Rian_06
      @Rian_06 3 года назад +22

      you should have stolen it😎

    • @SpaghettiRoad
      @SpaghettiRoad  3 года назад +72

      That sounds awesome!

    • @DebsStuffs
      @DebsStuffs 3 года назад +8

      Your school must be very cool. Mines only have maps about The U.S states :(

    • @PalkkiTT
      @PalkkiTT 3 года назад +10

      @@DebsStuffs Well im from Finland.

  • @theblock2083
    @theblock2083 3 года назад +487

    Doctor Congo caught me off guard, couldn't stop laughing

    • @oasis1282
      @oasis1282 3 года назад +1

      So funny bro 😀🙂😍😙😃😀🤣😅😄😃🤣😀🤣😀🤣😃😅😃😚😃🤣😀😙😀🤣😀🤣😃😅😃😅😀🤣😀😙😀😂😀😋😀😑😍😍😋😍😑😍🧐😬😰🥶😠😖😍😜😜😍🤪🥰🤪🥰🤪🥰🥰🤪🥵🤮🥵😟🥵🤢🤢😬🤮😬🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮👦🏿👦🏿👦🏿👦🏿👦🏿👦🏿👦🏿👦🏿👦🏿🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🕋🕋🕋🕋🕋🕋🕋🛐🛐🛐🛐🕌🕌🕌🕌🕌🕌🕌🕌✅✅✅✅✅✅✅✅✅

    • @GreenSoda1
      @GreenSoda1 3 года назад

      same

    • @MrFrankenBeans519
      @MrFrankenBeans519 3 года назад +11

      @@oasis1282 Bruh

    • @Frahamen
      @Frahamen 3 года назад +8

      It's definitely more accurate than calling it a "democratic" Republic

    • @watsuphumans3581
      @watsuphumans3581 3 года назад

      Congo line as Zaire line

  • @dom-fell
    @dom-fell 3 года назад +132

    This is fantastic! Love old maps and finding out how the world has changed through them

  • @-haclong2366
    @-haclong2366 3 года назад +59

    01:50 Constantinople was called "Konstantiniyye" in Turkish, only people in the city called "Istanbul".

    • @WTXYN
      @WTXYN 3 года назад +13

      yeah, and Greeks living in there called it something like Istanbul, Turks as well

    • @loux7774
      @loux7774 3 года назад +4

      Sad it is not called Constantinople anymore

  • @PASTRAMIKick
    @PASTRAMIKick 3 года назад +55

    One time my mother brought a globe map from my grandparents house, but they didn't even think anything of it, so I always passed by it and noticed weird things but didn't really stop to thoroughly inspect it until one day I did and noticed more weird stuff like it had Yugoslavia, West Germany, East Germany, Soviet Union, Czechoslovakia, only one Sudan and a bunch of other stuff that was completely out of date, by what I saw it was probably a map from the 80s which is pretty cool.

  • @dappergander
    @dappergander 3 года назад +127

    Back in the 90s, I introduced my Thai girlfriend (now wife) to my 100 year old great-aunt. When she told my great-aunt that she was from Thailand, my great-aunt appeared confused. Finally my girlfriend said, "I'm from Siam". My great-aunt smiled. That was a country she knew!

    • @anthemsofeurope2408
      @anthemsofeurope2408 2 года назад +25

      So your great aunt was born in the 1890s? Wow, she even saw the German Reich, Russian Empire and colonial age. Thats just impressive

    • @tommatom3513
      @tommatom3513 2 года назад +6

      @@anthemsofeurope2408 and also means she saw some things...

    • @Periwinkleaccount
      @Periwinkleaccount 2 года назад +6

      @@anthemsofeurope2408 or she was born quite after that, but before the name “Thailand” became more popular.

    • @saulgoodmanKAZAKH
      @saulgoodmanKAZAKH 2 года назад +4

      Remembered my grandma learnng two years ago that Yugoslavia didn't exist anymore

  • @johncleese-mogg365
    @johncleese-mogg365 3 года назад +176

    My granddad had an atlas from the 60s I found in my house that has the USSR and Yugoslavia as well as many other places. There is a mistake in it that suggests that Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland were Soviet socialist republics, as they use the same borders which are listed on the key as 'SSR'

    • @rahandg
      @rahandg 3 года назад +41

      that’s not a mistake, they were part of the SSR, under dictator Will Smith

    • @JESL_TheOnlyOne
      @JESL_TheOnlyOne 3 года назад +4

      Not a mistake. Political sub-division.

    • @toasty6570
      @toasty6570 3 года назад +3

      @@JESL_TheOnlyOne you might actually be right, the ssr were sub divisions of the ussr and same goes for Ireland, Wales and Scotland for uk.

    • @JESL_TheOnlyOne
      @JESL_TheOnlyOne 3 года назад +2

      @@toasty6570 Strike "...might actually be.." and insert "are".
      Yes, I know more than a little about cartography. Thanks for the support.

    • @toasty6570
      @toasty6570 3 года назад +6

      @@JESL_TheOnlyOne yes sir , sorry sir oorah

  • @mdwquiz
    @mdwquiz 3 года назад +123

    Mapmakers often made deliberate mistakes as a form of copyrighting, so they could see who was copying their maps when the mistake was copied as well.

    • @SeanMacadelic
      @SeanMacadelic 2 года назад +2

      Paper Towns

    • @awesomepotato-4B1
      @awesomepotato-4B1 8 месяцев назад +1

      "excuse me, does your map has the city my girlfriend on it? "
      "yes, it's on page 5"
      "A-HA! you copied my map! my girlfriend never existed and never will."

  • @Mr.Vini2204
    @Mr.Vini2204 3 года назад +84

    I remember when I was a kid, getting an atlas with my friends and laughing so much because of that one country with a full green flag... Ah, good times

  • @agger61
    @agger61 3 года назад +23

    This was like a fun history lesson, please make more of these types of videos!

  • @steffeg1
    @steffeg1 3 года назад +175

    My wife actually wanted to throw away my grandpa's old globe. Good for her she didn't, I'd send her straight back home to Siam.

    • @Georges_IV
      @Georges_IV 3 года назад +9

      DAMN 😂😂

    • @vir9857
      @vir9857 3 года назад +5

      Goddamnnnnn

    • @robertqld
      @robertqld 3 года назад +6

      Was it to the Prussian consulate in Siam via aeromail o. The 4:30 auto-gyro? Lol

    • @TheJerida
      @TheJerida 3 года назад +1

      🤣🤣🤣

    • @Hollywood2021
      @Hollywood2021 3 года назад +11

      There's no direct flights there, you have to transfer in Formosa

  • @tzarkormeister4978
    @tzarkormeister4978 3 года назад +12

    I love this, I’ve been doing this with every globe I see and im glad to see other people enjoy doing this

  • @f5203
    @f5203 3 года назад +7

    This is absolutely amazing. The best series om youtube! Please continue it!

  • @ASMRMrA
    @ASMRMrA 3 года назад +10

    I absolutely love this!!!! I have an old map of Italy that used to be my grandads. It's from between WWI and WWII but would LOVE an exact year

  • @Aostrele
    @Aostrele 3 года назад +65

    I loved this! I wanna see more! I also like flags.

  • @walker_andrej
    @walker_andrej 3 года назад +21

    This is absolutely incredible - I have a world map bought in Lithuania, I wonder if I'll be able to pinpoint the date as accurately as you 😅

  • @PlanetPlays
    @PlanetPlays 3 года назад +4

    Great Video! Old maps are very interesting, please make more of this!!

  • @Cosmic_Taco
    @Cosmic_Taco 3 года назад +17

    Why don’t you have at least 1mil?! You are one of my favourite channels and your content always gives! Keep it up!!! :D

  • @skyhawkmatthew
    @skyhawkmatthew 3 года назад +4

    Great video!
    For the atlas, it shows the New Territories north of Kowloon as part of Hong Kong, which were ceded on a 99 year lease in 1898 (precipitating the 1997 handover).

  • @chilln0648
    @chilln0648 3 года назад +9

    I like these kinds of videos. My stepdad recently found an atlas from the early 1930’s I think. It was made in the city I live in, Chicago, so it’s very U.S centric, but they do have maps for the rest of the world.

  • @Nugcon
    @Nugcon 3 года назад +26

    Finding when maps were created was more interesting than I imagined

  • @ThePerderder
    @ThePerderder 3 года назад +1

    This is, by far, my favourite video from your channel. These enquiries are tons of fun, and I would absolutely love to see more. Congrats!!

  • @felixrugel2809
    @felixrugel2809 Год назад +2

    Can we appreciate the amount of effort with the information and the animation put into this video?

  • @OrlindeEarfalas
    @OrlindeEarfalas 3 года назад +6

    This was a super intresting video! Thank you so much! :D

  • @dw620
    @dw620 3 года назад +11

    10:55 Ha... Don't knock Prince Henri of Orléans too much, please!
    One did not simply walk into Tibet in the 1890s and the locals did not actually know the source of the Irrawaddy at the time so he technically did "discover" how the geography pieced together.
    Salomon Andrée was not so lucky, but it took 33 years to find out what had happened...

  • @-Faris-
    @-Faris- 3 года назад +6

    I once came across a map which had Yugoslavia and South Sudan at the same time. Strange trippy moment I’ll tell you that

  • @axelfrick4106
    @axelfrick4106 3 года назад +3

    That Atlas is super cool. I can picture myself just sitting and staring at it for days

  • @mariushaakonssen
    @mariushaakonssen 3 года назад +11

    Very interesting and well done video :)
    Amazing!

    • @matpk
      @matpk 3 года назад

      Compare 1930s Nazi Germany Vs 2020s Communist Chinazi IN YOUR NEXT VIDEO Project.

  • @quintiax
    @quintiax 3 года назад +2

    I bought the first interwar map and asked a similar question on Reddit about when the map was made. Thank you for giving a proper year!

  • @mrsokolov8954
    @mrsokolov8954 3 года назад +13

    I have a map hanged in my room that says it was made in 1920, and I guess that's about right, but only for it's borders. The map had probably the first edition printed in 1920, but they kept on making new edits to name changes on the map, and while making those new edits they seemed to have no intention with messing with the borders again with each new update.
    The cherry on the cake is Ireland, because after it became independent I guess that they just said "Fuck it, I'm not doing this again" and changed the name of the British Empire to British Isles. So basecaly Britain doesn't exist in my map.

  • @radio_marco
    @radio_marco 3 года назад +5

    11:30 Switzerland is pretty much the same as now. The only thing is, that Jura was still a part of Bern on this map. Now is it independent.

  • @thelobsterperson
    @thelobsterperson 3 года назад +8

    This is a fantastic, fantastic video. Interesting, a joy to watch, and superbly edited. Love your stuff, dude.

  • @sofiarosel1289
    @sofiarosel1289 3 года назад +1

    This content is incredible - the research and effort is just *chefs kiss*

  • @timtam.
    @timtam. 3 года назад +9

    i love the way you said “Dr. Congo”

    • @Frahamen
      @Frahamen 3 года назад +3

      Bordering the country of "Car".

  • @ahwhite2022
    @ahwhite2022 3 года назад +6

    Glad to see others do this when they stumble across maps. Of course, I can’t do it with your level of geographic historical detail.

  • @BritishSoldier-kr9xf
    @BritishSoldier-kr9xf 3 года назад +7

    Man All those maps are more or close to hundred years old

  • @mammutkung
    @mammutkung 3 года назад +2

    These videos are always entertaining always happy when spaghetti road uploads a vid.

  • @DaedalusYoung
    @DaedalusYoung 3 года назад +3

    The problem with older maps I think is that it took so much time to make them. There's a map of my town that was surveyed in 1846-1847 and released in 1849. Chances are it was out of date before it was even released.

  • @bombkatten4482
    @bombkatten4482 3 года назад +4

    This was a great video! Please do more similar stuff! :D

  • @robertqld
    @robertqld 3 года назад +1

    Another one for your father-in-law's atlas I noticed when you talked about Macau.
    Hong Kong also included the New Territories which only happen in 1897

  • @petermanuel5043
    @petermanuel5043 3 года назад +2

    Love your videos. Thanks!

  • @gtr_cmaster5617
    @gtr_cmaster5617 3 года назад +1

    We need more of this keep it up man

  • @tolosate
    @tolosate 3 года назад +2

    I do like maps ! I have a 17th century map of my city, I try to have an old one for each place where I stay a couple of years :)

  • @B..P
    @B..P 3 года назад +3

    I've pinpointed my map to the first half of the year 2012 or last day of 2011, from 31st December 2011 (Samoa switches the International Date Line) to 28th of May (Malawi changes it's flag)

  • @pallo0620
    @pallo0620 3 года назад +3

    Amazing video! Just a small nitpick, at 7:08 instead of showing Mauritania's flag you showed that of the Maldives

  • @Toblehrone
    @Toblehrone Год назад

    There was a world atlas in my elementary school that was made during the early 1990s, and there were two copies that were different versions/printings. Stuff that the older version had that was left out of the newer version (that I remember) included Bonn as the capital of Germany, spelling Belarus as "Byelorussia", and a cliffhanger on the official borders of the former Yugoslavia (I even remember a white space being put over Bosnia and Croatia, with the SR borders being used as placeholders) .

  • @YukiteruRJ
    @YukiteruRJ 3 года назад +1

    Loved the video! It keeps getting better!

  • @formicidaeinc.8075
    @formicidaeinc.8075 3 года назад +2

    I'd love to have a look at an old atlas like that

  • @lenar3457
    @lenar3457 3 года назад +4

    Antartica (probably all covered with ice sheet) LMAO

  • @FlagAnthem
    @FlagAnthem 3 года назад +2

    Ah, my favourite sport:
    time lock old maps

  • @neilmaguinness6528
    @neilmaguinness6528 3 года назад

    Love this content, definitely my kind of thing. Hope its popular with the audience at large!

  • @mete8384
    @mete8384 3 года назад +3

    1:34 There’s also a missing province of Turkey, Hatay, which joined Turkey in 1939

  • @JoshuaKimbrough
    @JoshuaKimbrough 3 года назад +3

    6:58 "Doctor Congo" 😂😂😂😂😂

  • @johnrickdelgado2294
    @johnrickdelgado2294 3 года назад +1

    I LOVE THIS!! You should have a series about maps 👀

  • @Phantom____________________
    @Phantom____________________ 3 года назад +8

    Man his voice is so wholesome

  • @applesound
    @applesound 3 года назад +3

    This is funny since my grandma has the same map and always when I visit her I always see the map and, I always wondered what exactly year that was made and, then this video came out.

  • @jerry2357
    @jerry2357 3 года назад +1

    The most recent world atlas that I own is from 1986 (reprinted 1988), so still has the Soviet Union, Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia, East Germany etc.
    I also have the Bloomsbury Pocket Encyclopaedia of the World, 1991 printing. This is interesting because it has the information about Germany still split into West and East, but the East section is headed “Germany, Federal Republic of (former German Democratic Republic)” and there is a note “Since 3 October 1990 part of Federal republic of Germany”. There is also an entry for “Germany, Federal Republic of (former West-Berlin)”, with a similar note to the one given for East Germany.
    I remember being at a meeting in Frankfurt in late 1989, after the fall of the Berlin Wall, and the topic of the possibility of German reunification came up over lunch. The opinion of educated people was that it would never happen. Of course, less than a year later, it did happen.

  • @Bookcrafter2000
    @Bookcrafter2000 2 года назад

    I really like the graph thing you did with the dates and good vid

  • @mb16.
    @mb16. 3 года назад +3

    1:40 also Brusa is Bursa now, Angora is Ankara(Capital city of Turkey) now

  • @alix9751
    @alix9751 3 года назад +1

    I loved this video, please do more like this !! :D

  • @mcseelmann
    @mcseelmann 3 года назад +2

    very interesting, would love to see more videos with this topic

  • @Loifey
    @Loifey 3 года назад +10

    It’s pointing at Sweden and Norway, I am scared

    • @grzegorzha.
      @grzegorzha. 3 года назад +2

      Makes sense since he's Danish.

    • @ladycake1515
      @ladycake1515 3 года назад +5

      Me living in Sweden and getting nervous...

    • @Loifey
      @Loifey 3 года назад +2

      @@ladycake1515 same…

    • @oasis1282
      @oasis1282 3 года назад

      @@grzegorzha. no

    • @oasis1282
      @oasis1282 3 года назад

      @@ladycake1515 no

  • @OriginalPiMan
    @OriginalPiMan 3 года назад +8

    I wonder what date (range) you'd arrive at for each of these maps if you followed the XKCD flowchart.

  • @souhi7863
    @souhi7863 2 года назад

    I love this video, it's really helpful, can you make more of this type of content??

  • @Shadow_Drip
    @Shadow_Drip Год назад

    I love old maps, they're always fun to look at and see what changed

  • @Sb129
    @Sb129 3 года назад

    I have some Christmas wrapping paper from the 90s with countries flags on them, pretty interesting

  • @kunairuto
    @kunairuto 3 года назад

    Very fascinating. I love these types of videos, but I could never do this type of research myself!

  • @Jlimmer2000
    @Jlimmer2000 3 года назад +1

    This was very cool! Loved the vid!

  • @binancehighlights4038
    @binancehighlights4038 3 года назад +2

    6:42 Belarus changed it's flag at July 7 1995. And your map has new one, so it's made after 7.7.1995

  • @danielmcallahan
    @danielmcallahan 3 года назад +2

    Soooooooo exited!! Love your videos so much

  • @kalvaxus
    @kalvaxus 3 года назад +1

    I'd love to see that list of traded commodities!

  • @joaopedrowp
    @joaopedrowp 3 года назад +1

    My man knows where is Acre, love from Brazil ❤

  • @SverigeNorge04
    @SverigeNorge04 3 года назад +5

    I found an old Norwegian map of Europe from the 50s when I was cleaning my grandma's basement, I asked her if I could keep it, she said yes and now I have it in my room :)

  • @bill-clintongaming
    @bill-clintongaming 3 года назад +1

    I used to do this on maps in school when I was bored

  • @Ernzt8
    @Ernzt8 3 года назад +1

    Great video! That must have been a lot of work

  • @CEKROM
    @CEKROM 3 года назад +1

    6:24 Hong Kong was not so happy about this handover.

  • @jnuno9877
    @jnuno9877 3 года назад +2

    do a video on old empires, like the Portuguese and Spanish

  • @Efoxx
    @Efoxx 3 года назад +1

    1:30 in this map Turkey is not in the today's shape. In 1939 Hatay was annexed by Turkey from french mandate of Syria

  • @tihomirgalov
    @tihomirgalov 3 года назад +1

    On this map, Bulgaria is still divided into the Kingdom of Bulgaria and East Rumeli, despite the reunion happened in 1885

  • @GreatGloves
    @GreatGloves 3 года назад +1

    Greetings from Finland! I have never visited at St Petersburg, because I have a stubborn impression that I will be robbed there😬

  • @jozef7114
    @jozef7114 3 года назад +2

    Brilliant video, but quick note you mixed up the new flag of Mauritania with that of the Maldives at 7:07

  • @dickjohnson4447
    @dickjohnson4447 3 года назад +1

    Yes definitely more of this and also a lot more of the usual

  • @maikotter9945
    @maikotter9945 3 года назад +1

    I once owned an atlas printed in the 1960s,
    who showed Germanys boarders of the year 1937 (!)

  • @pastory6674
    @pastory6674 3 года назад +14

    I'm so Excited, I like maps

  • @yudhvirjamal1341
    @yudhvirjamal1341 3 года назад +1

    I was waiting for you to upload for so long

  • @wertsdsf1162
    @wertsdsf1162 3 года назад +1

    Maps are great! I have one of Germany and one of my hometown. Both are about 110 years old.

  • @marianamauricio
    @marianamauricio 3 года назад +2

    loved the video!!

  • @jacksondyneskinocinema1856
    @jacksondyneskinocinema1856 3 года назад +2

    this was great! Do more.

  • @felixrugel2809
    @felixrugel2809 2 года назад

    Great informative video, so much information you can drive from

  • @melkerweden8946
    @melkerweden8946 3 года назад +1

    My grandparents have a map like the first one in their garage with red dots on everywhere theyve been to

  • @jasonw4601
    @jasonw4601 3 года назад

    Definitely loved this video & would like to see more (and more road trips 😏)

  • @magnefalk6542
    @magnefalk6542 3 года назад +1

    This was super nerdy, i loved it, so interesting

  • @Jonassoe
    @Jonassoe 3 года назад +1

    I'm pretty sure I had that exact world map as a kid, or at least an edition of it. I tried memorizing the flags :D