Charlamagne The God drops a truth bomb on the Jay-Z vs Nas discussion on The Brilliant Idiots Podcast. Ether is full of elementary insults while Takeover is factual.
Charlamagne spoke more facts than you and Nas combined. You can't even come up with a legitimate verse that put Hov on the ropes. Jigga had several lines, the takeover literally puts Nas career on life support
+Ivan Tapia it's in her book, Carmen Bryan:Its No Secret. In her book she says Jay was fucking her and Rosario Dawson at the same time. She was also fucking Allen Iverson too. Nas lost just face it
+Alexander Fuentes Nas has 2 classic Albums Illmatic and It was written, Jay has 4 classic Albums Reasonable Doubt, Blue Print, Black Album and American Gangster, so I don't see how you believe time proved Jay-Z overrated and not Nas, Jay has been wayyy more consistent and stayed relevant wayyy longer. If anything Jay got his rap style from Biggie, he never fucked with Nas like that. An he addressed that in what more can I say, when he says a Big line he's paying homage to his friend. Jay-Z has had as much or more longevity than any musical act period, not just hiphop but any genre. Also Jays credibility has been proven several times, even niggas like Fat Joe Camron and 50 cent who each dislike Jay-Z admitted he's real and lived his rhymes. Jay is a boss who started his own record label off of drug money him Dame and Biggs, while Nas has always had slave contacts, Jay-Z never worked for anyone.. Not only is Jay a better MC than Nas, he's also a realer nigga...
+MARLO STANFIELD If we're talking About being a lyrical rapper... Jay is sack af... It's ok to bite a little bit Jay takes it to the max stealing more lines from biggie than anyone , and brining up that Jay is a bos doesn't mean shit when we're talking about who's a better rapper, but if you really do wanna talk about that... Jay is a snake, funk flex , dmx, ghost face killed and ll cool j all said that when Jay z became the president of ded jam he purposely wanted to get them out of the competition and out of the picture so only his music will be hot, he wasn't helping their albums or even promoting it, he was only concerned with the newer talent coming up... That pussy trying to eliminate the competition.
@Bet what real shit around him? that Nas was a slave to his label? That he had contracts? that he wasn’t his own boss? Jay started off his label with drug money Jay a real dude, nas wrote what he saw around him he never had the balls to be a real playa
@@thomasmcrae5153 no but being real about who he is. He from Marcy, tell me what opportunities do mfs that live in the projects have? the influenced they’re exposed to when little, the schools who don’t give a fk about them. Mfs are forced into the life cause that’s the only way out. Jay never told u “go out and sell drugs” the world isn’t a perfect beautiful place where everything is sunshines and rainbows. He did his dirt, got rich and now he tries to help the community back he’s done and doing lots of things for the black community but changes don’t happen overnight Things aren’t black and white my dude.
@@RetroLuv_ Check this out i spent half my life in projects. Expose 2 many things but Go,d my parents & my will 2 do & want better prevent me going tbt path. Its up 2 u & the chooses u make.
You can tell Charlemagne & these other Jay Z fans didn’t fully listen/comprehend Ether or heard the Track Super Ugly which was a clear diss track aimed at nas 🤦🏾♂️ Nas did had facts on Ether 1. Jay Z was copying Biggie Rhymes 2. Named his album blueprint after KRS One 3. Called him out on his line “You seemed to be only concerned with dissing women” implying that most of his hit tracks glorified misogyny, 4. Stated he was getting chased in his building in ‘88 by goons whom intimidated him to the point he called Nas randomly knowing he never gave his number 5. Called him out for glazing Jaz-O, Kane, Irv Gotti & Biggie to help boost his career 6. Stated Eminem murdered him on his own song “Renegade” in response to Jay Z saying his bodyguard (Horse the rapper) had a better verse on Oochie Wally remix 7. Called him out for being the biggest fan & saying he wanted him to be on every one of his classics due to the constant mentions & samples from nas and also the fact that he tried to get him on dead presidents song and the music video too 8. “Your man stabbed Un and made you take the blame” basically calling him out for being the fall boy in the Un situation… plus Lance himself even confirmed through a Vlad interview that it was someone else that did the dirt instead. 9. Last he even called him out on his last line “You Pop 💩 and apologize 🥷 jus ask Kiss” implying he doesn’t fully stand on business fr Everyone that claims that TakeOver has more facts on the song than Ether is cap 🧢
Charlamagne is inaccurate with this argument. Ether did have some immature lines but also had facts. Rocafella was a drug dealer from Brooklyn who died of AIDS, and that's who they named their company after. That's the biggest fact of all. Super Ugly was also a whole song directed towards Nas. What is Charlamagne talking about?
Exactly what I was going to say plus Nas talked about Young Jay basically askin him for advice later in like the second verse which would be a real situation from Nas so Charlamagne is way off
How is Ether elementary? He said how much of BIGGIES RHYMES is gon come out yo fat lips not just "fat lips" Ur taking his words out of context & making them sound different😂
Because that's not a clever line, none of the lines in Ether were. It's full of early 2000s schoolyard insults, Don't Body Yourself was a better diss from Nas. "Imma push your grown ass back in your mother's womb, you need 9 more months", that line alone is better than all of Ether.
@@bestintheworld0624 nope youre an idiot I guess you dont understand all the lyrics then that shit was creative and clever he made some great jokes and nah ether was his best diss period
My personal take: Regardless of whether "Takeover" or "Ether" is better (honestly, I like them both about equally), Nas won. Nas was in a position of vulnerability. He was coming off of two poorly received albums. Jay-Z, on the other hand, was on top of the rap game at the time. Nobody could have taken him out. "Takeover" was supposed to be the track that was the nail in Nas's coffin, that rendered him irrelevant and ended his career. But "Ether" was a strong enough track to keep Nas going, and "Super Ugly" was too weak of a comeback to knock him back down.
exactly! Now those are the facts! The fact that we even have to ask the question "which is better" prove Nas won. The hook alone "I WILL NOT LOSE" made Jay change his WHOLE slogan lmao And Jay-Z is my favorite rapper
I Will Not Loose was taken from U Don't Know from the Blueprint. Nas responded to the whole album, Girls Girls, Hola Hovito, You Don't Know, Renegade etc
Sure Nas won, obviously. After all Nas is the one who's a billionaire and known around the world and Jay Z is at a point where he has to release his albums digital only......I don't have that backwards do I?
2 poorly received albums?? IAM had 4.5 mics in the source AT THAT TIME. Only Nastradamus was received poorly because it was rushed out in the same year and still solid 1.2 mill in the US.
Ether had more facts than takeover fam, bruh didn’t comprehend the song and the guy he’s arguing with doesn’t even know hip hop like that either for not callin out Charlemagne saying ether doesn’t have facts
Charlemagne sounds butt hurt. Nas destroyed jay z so much so that j couldn't even make a good comback until the blueprint 2 release. Not to mention the jabs thrown at each other years before the battle ensued it's clear. Nas did it on him. I even seen an interview where dame dash admitted that they lost. Where is the roc now? Gone 1 man dismantled they whole squad cause after that, shit was down hill for the roc. Nas won period
AgondeTV one of...he son'd jay-z. I thought takeover was dope too cause of what jay did to mobb deep. He let dudes know he wasnt playing but coming at nas was something he probably regretted once ether dropped lol
Chris EZbreezy yea that joint was dirty 2. I honestly think he got L in that battle but L had too much history for anyone to come at him. David v. Goliath but Goliath actually lost that one if it had not been for legacy.
@@willsmooth1355 This reminds me of Drake vs Meek Mill. People like Drake’s diss like Jay’s Takeover but lyrically, Meek ate Drake. They take a point away from Meek because of the beats. Since when do beats when a rap battle?
@@TheXpertGenius83 I don't know about that fam. Majority felt drake beat meek. It may not have been a landslide win like nas over jay but alot of cats felt meek lost badly to a singing nigga.
@@willsmooth1355 They only feel that way because Meek didn't respond fast enough for them due to him being on tour with Nikki. Great strategy by Drake to do that knowing Meek couldn't respond like that. Lyrically Meek was better, song wise, Drake had the club bangers with his disses. Not to mention people were more so concern with the beat Meek chose more so then what he was saying.
Im from florida and I drove to new york bumping the blueprint the whole 18 hour drive. Jay-Z had the hotest album in the country. I was in Brooklyn when ether dropped. The day they played that shit everybody and I mean everybody was listening. Nas destroyed Jay. Even brooklyn niggaz was like " DAMN JAY " I was like damn jay. Every line was heavy. He didn't leave shit out. New York as a whole was like damn jay. Shit got real.
I've been listening to Rap disses ever since Roxanne, U.T.F.O. Cool J and Kool Moe Dee. KRS 1 M.C. SHAN ,JUICE CREW, ETC. and I think Jay Z is probably one of the greatest Rappers of all time and even think he's better than NaS...BUT... I THINK ETHER IS PROBABLY THE BEST DISS SONG EVER MADE...idk what the fuck this dude is talking about..he must be Jay Zs secret lover.
@@erikeskedal504 Takeover was nothing but facts. Large professor confirmed he showed Nas a tek on tour. That's a confirmed fact. Jay fucked Nas baby mother that's a fact. Jay snaked Nas out his publishing that's a fact. Nas underperforming with his albums after illmatic.
Yet Jay sent the whole rocafella and it was Nas alone. Stop it, Jay underestimated Nas, poked the bear and the bear did what the bear does, tore shit up. Stop it, dude had to drop super ugly because of ether.
Right in the recommended videos I've got a DJVLAD video with Charlemagne where Charlamagne calls Drake's Back to Back....a Top 5 diss track. And here he is saying Ether was elementary. I think that's all you need to know about Charlemagne and his ability to speak on hip hop.
Ether is the greatest diss song ever made. Nas is the greatest rapper of all time. Jay Z is overrated as fuck and corny as fuck. Jay is not even in my top 5, maybe not even my top 10.
It's funny, Charlamagne says Jay-z hit him with facts, and then the first line he brings out from the takeover to prove it is an OPINION "You made it a hot line, I made it a hot song" . I guess Charlemagne does't know the difference between a fact and opinion. In my OPINION "The world is your's" which is where that "Dead President" sample comes from is an awesome song, so much for his fact. Another so called fact that people think Jay-z said which is really an OPINION is when he says "That's a one hot album every ten year average and thats so lame", that is an OPINION! In my OPINION the first 3 albums for Nas were classics, and then "Stillmatic and God Son" were classics as well. Looks like someone needs to go back to school
Yes those are opinions. But there is a degree of truth behind them. As a Nas fan I generally felt he fsll of after Illmatic even if I enjoyed I am or IWW. I also prefer dead presidents to The world is yours. Its also worth pointing out Jay attacked Nas's credibility as an Mc not his appearance or so called sexuality
@@sugs1191 If nas kept staying the illmatic lane then he would be Canibus status today instead of a being a global icon he is today. Nas never fell off. He just grew as an artist and expanded his artistry.
Takeover went from career ending diss to irrelevant and not considered top 10 once ether came out. Ether was and is that powerful. Hov had to take a vacay after ether came out😅😅😅
Charlamenge fully understands. Takeover was a WMD for 2 of QB’s elite rappers. He took Takeover to Summer Jam for Prodigy & was set to do the same for Nas. Created the “Get/Got Summer Jammed”. Takeover was 1 1/2 verse for P & 1 1/2 for Nas. If not for Takeover, Nas’ rap career might’ve been done with. Ether 4 verses of high school snaps. Nothing in that song was a jaw-dropper. But it was said Nas never was a battle rapper. Jay used to battle dudes all the time. And then Nas attempts to throw extra shots in “Destroy & Rebuild” which I knew he just felt brave for dissing Nature, Mega, & Prodigy lol. Takeover was the closest to Pac & The Outlaws’ “Hit’em Up”
Jay's a little pussy. The only, ONLY reason rappers are afraid of Jay-z today is because they know he has the Illuminati protecting him and if any one of those rappers step up and say some bold stuff about they could possibly be killed. Remember how everyone was dissing Jay back in the day? Well, now that Jay-z's in that illuminati s*** now, now everybody respects him and calling him, "one of the greatest rappers alive". You kidding me? His music is straight trash and is the husband of that she devil Beyonce. Can't stand either one of them.
Name the facts please?? I think u and charlamagne are confusing facts and opinions. I guarantee u cant name more than 1 factual statement from takeover but i could name at least 5 facts from ether.
@@jjjayden8964 the fact that nas had been falling off after illmatic, the fact that he paid nas' manager or whatever for the dead presidents sample, and the fact that he fucked nas' girl. Wtf did nas say? Gay z? Cockafella? "YoU'rE a StAn, EmInEm MuRdErEd YoU" WEAK.
@@arstar5435 lmao. Falling off?? That's your opinion genius. Thats not a FACT. IT WAS WRITTEN imo is a better album than illmatic and alot of people feel that way. Also nas wasnt with Carmen no more. Carmen went after jay when she caught nas cheating with mary j blige. You named no facts just an opinion that doesnt hold no weight. Illmatic, It was written and Stillmatic are all classics. Now I can name at least 5 facts from ether. Jayz biting biggie, jayz doing taebo, jayz begging nas to do songs, naming their company after a brooklyn hustler who actually died from aids, hopping on anything that is hot. Ether was a psychological beatdown and that 3rd verse had jay crying on hot 97 saying how vulgar and uneasy it was. Again please name the facts on takeover?? You rambled off a bunch of opinion and jay smashed nas's babymoms but u tried to twist it and say it was nas girl. Lol.
@@willsmooth1355 nah, it was a fact, nobody was messing with nas no more, he was falling off hard, he was sounding more and more mainstream. And idk who tf told you that Carmen one, but its untrue, jay z fucked her even when she was in the relationship with him, she said it an interview. And jay z biting biggie? You ever heard of paying homage? And that Rockefeller one is also a garbage statement, so what if he died of aids?and that was not jay z begging, he asked nas to do a feature and nas rejected him, thats it.
@@arstar5435 lmao. Nas sold 3 million with it was written and sold over 2 million with IAM. What the hell are u talking about?? Nas was still selling records. Again u don't know what u are talking about. Just because u agree with what jay said on takeover doesnt make it factual. Now i just gave u 5 facts from ether. U havent named one. The only fact on takeover was jay smashing nas's babymoms or sloppy seconds. Learn the difference between facts and opinions.
Ether may have had corny moments but overall it's the much better diss record... Takeover was cool but I feel Jay was trying too hard to diss Nas and mobb... Ether seemed more natural and flowed better... Just me... Both kings of ny and hip hop...
I don't think Jay Z tried too hard btw. I think he went hard. But Ether is corny you admit it yourself. But Nas Stans always say it's more lyrical - which is the biggest lie period. Nas is very lyrical but Ether was not
Charla forgot Takeover was the FIRST shot…. Jay had respond overnight to ETHER, and that “SuperUgly”, was both EMOTIONAL, and an ENTIRE song, albeit a mixtape joint. Hov was in his feelings because ONE of the rocks being thrown connected to his ass, and EGO checked him. Glad both brothas are still rhymin tho
Jay definitely went in, but nas clowned Jay period. Just listen to the song it’s an event! A motion picture! I’d pay to see ether preformed, it is arguably the best diss track since hit em up. And if your a real fan of hip hop you can’t even argue the point...
@@sugs1191 takeover is definitely a dope track. Don’t get me wrong, the joint is a respectable jab. Ether is ether tho my G! Getting ethered is now common terminology. Let that marinate for 35….45 minutes. Jay got handled on so many different levels. The people who think Jay won because he slept with nas’s ex is just retarded. In all actuality at the same time Jay was messing wit nas’s ex. Nas was going on "dates" with Beyoncé. So what the science here? Take over was half ass and Jay got ethered ( an actual term now). Lol
Jay never did a whole song to NaS? We all know "Supa Ugly" was trash and that by that time it was clear Nas had won, but it still counts a song, no? Charlamagne just rides Jay-Z way too hard. To this day getting murdered on wax is referred to as Ether.
THAT LINE WAS SO INACCURATE THAT I GET UPSET WHEN PPL SAY TAKEOVER WAS ALL FACTS. JAY USED A DIFFERENT MEASURING STICK FOR HIMSELF COMPARED TO NAS..HE USED THE TIME NAS DID LIVE AT THE BARBEQUE AND COMPARED IT TO WHEN HE DROPPED REASONABLE DOUBT. TRASH ASS BAR TBH
Well... technically speaking, Nas dropped his firsr piece of music in 1991 called "The Original Tapes" and Takeover dropped in 2001. So... Jay was in the shit for 6 years, but Nas was actually in the shit for 10
@@solitary2 Actually no, Jay Z was rapping before his first album "Reasonable Doubt" as he was not only seen featured on Big L's infamous "1995 10 minute freestyle" joint as well as the Block Party with ODB, Shyehim, Big Scoob, and others. More specifically in fact was the feature from Big Daddy Kane when Jay-Z used to rap fast just like him hence the "I gave you a style for you to run with" since Jay wasn't rapping like he was on Reasonable Doubt before Nas as he was on the Big Daddy Kane flow in 1995 as also seen in the Big L freestyle. He was doing the fast flow and he even has a track with Jaz-O before that around circa 1991 called "The Originators" which was the original one before the Originator '99 version came out on the Vol. 2 album since it was just a refresh of their original back in the days. So Jay-Z was technically incorrect and made it out as if he never been in the game as long when he clearly was or at least was very close to being out just as long as Nas has been, he just didn't drop his own album until 1996 where Nas had 2 and a demo tape from 91 as well.
He's right, take over was better. Either was coo but takeover was stating facts. Nas was just clowning his looks and shit. People need to listen to take over again. Classic diss record
'how many more of biggies rhymes gonna come out your fat lips?' got em 'callin my crib n i ain't even give you my numbers' got em 'eminem murdered you on your own shit' got em
He is on every level. There was hella facts told on Ether… he refuses to acknowledge it & only mention some of the name calling lines on the song. Not only that but he even went as far to say that Jay Z never had a song dedicated to dissing nas and only had a verse as if the song “Super Ugly” don’t exist smh
I do think Nas is a better rapper than Jay z but Charlamagne was right. The thing is there is nothing witty or cold about saying childish insults. It just sounds immature. I do think however Nas won the war because Nas has always been reinventing himself and is still making music. It’s funny that Nas called him a biter for stealing Bigs lyrics but Nas himself has used Rakim lines in his songs. By that logic ALL RAPPERS BITE. USING ONE LINE ISN’T BITING. If there is any rapper that bites that’s Drake cuz he copies whole verses. One bar isn’t copying. That’s just paying respect to OGS.
+Shanty Boonstabo diss song isnt supposed to be facts. tupac didnt do half the things he claimed in hit em up but that doesnt stop it from being the best diss track.
108 Nasir stans disliked this. When I was young I gave it to Nas but Jay had more validity on Takeover in one verse. I'm a Nas fan saying this too , y'all stans need to wake up.
ETHER is whack 😢 some people just can't accept the truth. The people who like Ether Nas career tanked after Takeover What top 10 song has he dropped since. Ill wait.
takeover was the better diss, it killed the beef before it even began. ether was good but the lyrics were so corny and premature considering how long nas took to respond to it. it’s definitely an unpopular opinion but jay z buried nas with takeover than buried him with super ugly
Ppl want Nas to win so bad cuz it’s good for the story. Jay knows he won over Nas. It’s just like ppl not wanting Floyd Mayweather being undefeated but he is. Ppl say Floyd has lost fights but his record shows otherwise.
charlmage is a jay z fan...he knows that a diss track doesnt necessarily revolve around facts because jayz wasnt also speaking facts, he referenced factual events and sensationalized them. Charlmange knows that ether is the better song period...better diss track period...better on all counts...he's just butt hurt about it
andre johnson nah. First off, Jay was off saying “you been in this ten I been in this five” by his measurements, for himself he was talking about when his first album released (5 years before Takeover was 96 when Doubt came out). We all know Jay was rapping before 96 (Hawaiian Sophie etc). Ten years before Takeover was 1991. Illmatic came out in 94. That one hot album every ten year average Line was off. Plus, It Was Written is classic and Jay knows it!
“If you look at the liner notes on ‘Dead Presidents,’ Nas is one of the publishers,” MC Serch admitted on “Drink Champs.” Nas owns a piece of JAY’s catalogue. And that’s a fact.”
Stop in Philly, order cheese steaks and eat Beans fast And bring it back up top, remove the fake king of New York You show off, I count dough off when you sample my voice I rule you, before, you used to rap like the Fu-Schnickens Nas designed your Blueprint, who you kidding? Is he H to the izz-O, M to the izz-O? For shizzle you phony, the rapping version of Sisqo And that's for certain, you clone me, your wack clothes line I'd rather Sean John, you bore me with your fake coke rhymes And those times, they never took place, you liar Un was your first court case, you had no priors You master fabricated stories of streets and sound slick Have you surrounded, you and the faggots you down with While they riding Nas, trying to boost their careers Corny as Cormega, all you Hip-Hop queers Since Illmatic, It Was Written, I Am Nastradamus That's the answers to the puzzle I gave you, now here's a promise My next few albums, instead of projects They'll be a difficult test inside the cover for the mind's optics
those are the best disses why u think him em up, no vaseline, and real muthaphukkin gs are some of the hottest disses ever it's because the emotion behind it
Takeover is one of the dopest beats ever with one of the weakest, low energy choruses. Ethers chorus is literally a thesis statement which he then developes further and provides evidence to support the initial statement AND its actually ear catching.
"Jay won overall obviously," as I recall, he started the bullshit and then got exposed. Dumb idea, and no, Nas was the clear winner, and Illmatic is better than his whole career.
abe nice it was just as emotional and factual as either. Takeover was at the same level as the stillmatic freestyle. Also to add nas still won the battle
abe nice Nas is just as regarded a Jay-z don't try to discredit his achievements because you not one of his fans. Besides they did a poll on hot97 to claim a winner of the battle and Nas one. Now don't get it twisted Jay-z in my opinion is still a genius but he lost. Now two his credit only two rappers have ever bested him and that is Nas and Tupac. It is what it is and I do respect your opinion many people feel he beat Nas
Yeah they did a poll after the fact Jay changed him to a batte life which is how a battle is truely done. I believe jay would have won that too. nas wisely turned that down . And I am a fan of nas. Question how did those best Jay they never battled?
Tbh, when Ether drop CTG was in the boonies doing radio. He legit doesn’t know the history nor the impact this record had in the city. Imo, if the majority of the city had Nas winning. Then Nas won.
Aww a hurt Jay stan. Ether still burns a decade later
Charlamagne spoke more facts than you and Nas combined. You can't even come up with a legitimate verse that put Hov on the ropes. Jigga had several lines, the takeover literally puts Nas career on life support
+MARLO STANFIELD lmao when she say that stop making up shit.
+Ivan Tapia it's in her book, Carmen Bryan:Its No Secret. In her book she says Jay was fucking her and Rosario Dawson at the same time. She was also fucking Allen Iverson too. Nas lost just face it
+Alexander Fuentes Nas has 2 classic Albums Illmatic and It was written, Jay has 4 classic Albums Reasonable Doubt, Blue Print, Black Album and American Gangster, so I don't see how you believe time proved Jay-Z overrated and not Nas, Jay has been wayyy more consistent and stayed relevant wayyy longer. If anything Jay got his rap style from Biggie, he never fucked with Nas like that. An he addressed that in what more can I say, when he says a Big line he's paying homage to his friend. Jay-Z has had as much or more longevity than any musical act period, not just hiphop but any genre. Also Jays credibility has been proven several times, even niggas like Fat Joe Camron and 50 cent who each dislike Jay-Z admitted he's real and lived his rhymes. Jay is a boss who started his own record label off of drug money him Dame and Biggs, while Nas has always had slave contacts, Jay-Z never worked for anyone.. Not only is Jay a better MC than Nas, he's also a realer nigga...
+MARLO STANFIELD If we're talking About being a lyrical rapper... Jay is sack af... It's ok to bite a little bit Jay takes it to the max stealing more lines from biggie than anyone , and brining up that Jay is a bos doesn't mean shit when we're talking about who's a better rapper, but if you really do wanna talk about that... Jay is a snake, funk flex , dmx, ghost face killed and ll cool j all said that when Jay z became the president of ded jam he purposely wanted to get them out of the competition and out of the picture so only his music will be hot, he wasn't helping their albums or even promoting it, he was only concerned with the newer talent coming up... That pussy trying to eliminate the competition.
Jay-Z attacked Nas’ career Nas attacked Jay-Z’s life
Yes Nas career went downhill but JayZ life actually went up, he a billionaire now
@@MrOmarthegangsta because jay z worships Satan....
@@kingsolomon5278 satan? What are you 12 years old?
@@MrOmarthegangsta lol you must be one of those ignorant people. Stay sleeping.
@@kingsolomon5278 bruh
Carlmange sounds emotional himself 😂😂.
Well jay himself was emotional on hot 97 after he lost the battle.😂😂. Like father like son.😅😅
@@willsmooth1355 nas was after he found out nas fd his bm😅
RIGHT
@@prod.justjae9957 nas fucked his bm?
He a corn ball 💯
“Jay already admitted to losing” and Charlemagne tryna deny it 🤦🏽♂️
He admitted that the consensus is that he lost but he thinks takeover is better than ether
Exactly 😂
Hahaha i can't believe ppl taking this fool serious! 🤣 effin clown!! Diddys dickrider 24/7
@@tony4534 Even Dame told Jay to pack it up🤣
@@warispeaceignoranceisstren704 So?
keeping in mind that the only guy that this is coming from a guy that wears make up
Charlamagne is a hater who bleached his skin
lol he uses skin lightening cream on his skin so he could be light skin too
Levi Lock 😂😂😂😂😂😂😏
Whewwwwwwwwww!!
1. Not true
2. That's called an ad hominem and it's a logical fallacy, in layman's terms you just lost your own arguement.
The more I hear charlagmagne talk the more stupid he sounds 😂😂😂
@Bet what real shit around him? that Nas was a slave to his label? That he had contracts? that he wasn’t his own boss?
Jay started off his label with drug money Jay a real dude, nas wrote what he saw around him he never had the balls to be a real playa
That's an insult to stupid people lol
@@RetroLuv_
So selling drugs and destroying your community makes him a real dude. Ur very misguided plus sad.
@@thomasmcrae5153 no but being real about who he is. He from Marcy, tell me what opportunities do mfs that live in the projects have? the influenced they’re exposed to when little, the schools who don’t give a fk about them. Mfs are forced into the life cause that’s the only way out. Jay never told u “go out and sell drugs” the world isn’t a perfect beautiful place where everything is sunshines and rainbows. He did his dirt, got rich and now he tries to help the community back he’s done and doing lots of things for the black community but changes don’t happen overnight
Things aren’t black and white my dude.
@@RetroLuv_
Check this out i spent half my life in projects. Expose 2 many things but Go,d my parents & my will 2 do & want better prevent me going tbt path. Its up 2 u & the chooses u make.
Jay-Z also cried hearing ether
U mean gay z
Facts ! He himself admit to his team that Nas won and publicly humiliated him ..
Lol no he didn’t. Re watch the video and tell me when he cries
@@ajh1894 what video are referring to ?
@@seseandohn8771 the HOT 97 interview with Jay
The fact that Nas used Tupac’s voice saying “F*^% Jay Z” proves he won before he laid the first verse
That's corny because Tupac dissed Nas
@@dremetlock1635but nas respected pac and his art
Charla is has no idea was he's talking about jayz got spanked
Charlamagne is the corniest dude on the sidelines of the game
charlamagne took an L for this one
thepoisonus T nah Jay won!
thepoisonus T you are buggin bro. Nas kiled jay lyrically.
Random Grove Street Thug #5 I know that's why I said nas one
You buggin
when doesn't he
ETHER is now a verb. “He got ETHERED!” Chumpamagne The Fraud is wrong as usual, I mean how can you take him seriously while he’s wearing Mac’s NC 45 🙄
Exactly!! His win coined a phrase. That tells who won in one word. Charlemagne's manhood got eithered.😂🤣
Why do nas fans get so emotional about ether
Yeah but ironically Jay didn’t get ethered. That song had zero effect on him.
Charl right, ether corny
You can tell Charlemagne & these other Jay Z fans didn’t fully listen/comprehend Ether or heard the Track Super Ugly which was a clear diss track aimed at nas 🤦🏾♂️
Nas did had facts on Ether
1. Jay Z was copying Biggie Rhymes
2. Named his album blueprint after KRS One
3. Called him out on his line “You seemed to be only concerned with dissing women” implying that most of his hit tracks glorified misogyny,
4. Stated he was getting chased in his building in ‘88 by goons whom intimidated him to the point he called Nas randomly knowing he never gave his number
5. Called him out for glazing Jaz-O, Kane, Irv Gotti & Biggie to help boost his career
6. Stated Eminem murdered him on his own song “Renegade” in response to Jay Z saying his bodyguard (Horse the rapper) had a better verse on Oochie Wally remix
7. Called him out for being the biggest fan & saying he wanted him to be on every one of his classics due to the constant mentions & samples from nas and also the fact that he tried to get him on dead presidents song and the music video too
8. “Your man stabbed Un and made you take the blame” basically calling him out for being the fall boy in the Un situation… plus Lance himself even confirmed through a Vlad interview that it was someone else that did the dirt instead.
9. Last he even called him out on his last line “You Pop 💩 and apologize 🥷 jus ask Kiss” implying he doesn’t fully stand on business fr
Everyone that claims that TakeOver has more facts on the song than Ether is cap 🧢
Charlamagne is inaccurate with this argument. Ether did have some immature lines but also had facts. Rocafella was a drug dealer from Brooklyn who died of AIDS, and that's who they named their company after. That's the biggest fact of all. Super Ugly was also a whole song directed towards Nas. What is Charlamagne talking about?
Cuz he got to keep your job
+Torrie Butler I don't have to be a radio personality to know these facts
Exactly what I was going to say plus Nas talked about Young Jay basically askin him for advice later in like the second verse which would be a real situation from Nas so Charlamagne is way off
Nas also doesn't really address Jay-Z until the second verse of Ether.
Charlemagne wasn't in New York when Ether Dropped!! The people's reaction said it all!!
How is Ether elementary?
He said how much of BIGGIES RHYMES is gon come out yo fat lips not just "fat lips"
Ur taking his words out of context & making them sound different😂
You have fat lips is what 8 year olds say. Why you looking that hard at another man’s lips?
Because that's not a clever line, none of the lines in Ether were. It's full of early 2000s schoolyard insults, Don't Body Yourself was a better diss from Nas. "Imma push your grown ass back in your mother's womb, you need 9 more months", that line alone is better than all of Ether.
@@bestintheworld0624 Then why did hov cry on hot 97 if ether was just elementary bullshit??😭😭😭😭
@@LanceJ. But its true he do have fat lips
@@bestintheworld0624 nope youre an idiot I guess you dont understand all the lyrics then that shit was creative and clever he made some great jokes and nah ether was his best diss period
My personal take:
Regardless of whether "Takeover" or "Ether" is better (honestly, I like them both about equally), Nas won. Nas was in a position of vulnerability. He was coming off of two poorly received albums. Jay-Z, on the other hand, was on top of the rap game at the time. Nobody could have taken him out. "Takeover" was supposed to be the track that was the nail in Nas's coffin, that rendered him irrelevant and ended his career. But "Ether" was a strong enough track to keep Nas going, and "Super Ugly" was too weak of a comeback to knock him back down.
exactly! Now those are the facts! The fact that we even have to ask the question "which is better" prove Nas won. The hook alone "I WILL NOT LOSE" made Jay change his WHOLE slogan lmao And Jay-Z is my favorite rapper
I Will Not Loose was taken from U Don't Know from the Blueprint. Nas responded to the whole album, Girls Girls, Hola Hovito, You Don't Know, Renegade etc
Sure Nas won, obviously. After all Nas is the one who's a billionaire and known around the world and Jay Z is at a point where he has to release his albums digital only......I don't have that backwards do I?
In all seriousness Nas is one of my favorite rappers and I love his early shit to death (up until God Son), but he didn't win.
2 poorly received albums?? IAM had 4.5 mics in the source AT THAT TIME. Only Nastradamus was received poorly because it was rushed out in the same year and still solid 1.2 mill in the US.
Charlamagne disrespecting the GOAT smh
Nas isnt even top 10
+TC TC yeah he is
+TC TC nas is ur favorite rapper's favorite rapper
+TC TC 1. where did he say that?
2. yes you do
3. Then who do you listen to?
4. Thats the best you got😂😂
Charamagne got blackballed by Jay so now he spends his time kissing his ass 😘
This is how Charlamagne got his invitation to the roc nation brunch
Em was so right to go after this clowns jugular
Does it hurt you to see someone speak the truth
I don’t care what charla says. The whole world spoke & said Nas won. Even in New York. Majority Rules & said Nas took that.
Ether had more facts than takeover fam, bruh didn’t comprehend the song and the guy he’s arguing with doesn’t even know hip hop like that either for not callin out Charlemagne saying ether doesn’t have facts
Charlamagne also got it wrong jay did dedicate a whole super ugl freestyle it wasn't a freestyle it was a song
Thsbk you just wrote that super ugly went hard
Charlemagne sounds butt hurt. Nas destroyed jay z so much so that j couldn't even make a good comback until the blueprint 2 release. Not to mention the jabs thrown at each other years before the battle ensued it's clear. Nas did it on him. I even seen an interview where dame dash admitted that they lost. Where is the roc now? Gone 1 man dismantled they whole squad cause after that, shit was down hill for the roc. Nas won period
Ether is the greatest diss track ever
AgondeTV one of...he son'd jay-z. I thought takeover was dope too cause of what jay did to mobb deep. He let dudes know he wasnt playing but coming at nas was something he probably regretted once ether dropped lol
+William Mangus I'd Cannus 2nd round ko is the best diss track ever, but I see why 'd contradict it.I'm not mad though.
Chris EZbreezy yea that joint was dirty 2. I honestly think he got L in that battle but L had too much history for anyone to come at him. David v. Goliath but Goliath actually lost that one if it had not been for legacy.
The roc ain’t breakup cause of Nas 😂😂😂😂😂 you way beyond tripping
The best diss ever
This guy is the Skip Bayless of hip hop
Facts
Nah Skip is better than that.
nah nothing about ether was elementary, ether had facts in it, nas won
Why is people keep thinking that Jay z takeover won? Come on!! Nas destroyed him. Jay z fans like Charlemagne are a bunch of cry babies.
Only 2% feel jay won. Its the stan in them that wont allow them to be objective😅😅
@@willsmooth1355 This reminds me of Drake vs Meek Mill. People like Drake’s diss like Jay’s Takeover but lyrically, Meek ate Drake. They take a point away from Meek because of the beats. Since when do beats when a rap battle?
@@TheXpertGenius83 I don't know about that fam. Majority felt drake beat meek. It may not have been a landslide win like nas over jay but alot of cats felt meek lost badly to a singing nigga.
@@willsmooth1355 They only feel that way because Meek didn't respond fast enough for them due to him being on tour with Nikki. Great strategy by Drake to do that knowing Meek couldn't respond like that. Lyrically Meek was better, song wise, Drake had the club bangers with his disses. Not to mention people were more so concern with the beat Meek chose more so then what he was saying.
Im from florida and I drove to new york bumping the blueprint the whole 18 hour drive. Jay-Z had the hotest album in the country. I was in Brooklyn when ether dropped. The day they played that shit everybody and I mean everybody was listening. Nas destroyed Jay. Even brooklyn niggaz was like " DAMN JAY " I was like damn jay. Every line was heavy. He didn't leave shit out. New York as a whole was like damn jay. Shit got real.
That's what was beautiful about ether. Nas was purposely nonchalant and playful about it to certain degree.
I liked takeover better
Nas got paid for that Jay sample. Jay lied. MC Serch said Nas owns that publishing.
I've been listening to Rap disses ever since Roxanne, U.T.F.O. Cool J and Kool Moe Dee. KRS 1 M.C. SHAN ,JUICE CREW, ETC. and I think Jay Z is probably one of the greatest Rappers of all time and even think he's better than NaS...BUT... I THINK ETHER IS PROBABLY THE BEST DISS SONG EVER MADE...idk what the fuck this dude is talking about..he must be Jay Zs secret lover.
Nas is a better artist than jayz. Jayz makes more pop music than nas which is cool too.
@@willsmooth1355 And if it wasn't for Kanye, Jay would probably be like 25% less iconic
Name me the facts in Ether?
@@christianjames9667 KRS already made an album called Blueprint first - dissing women - eminem murdered you on your own shit....
@@erikeskedal504 Takeover was nothing but facts. Large professor confirmed he showed Nas a tek on tour. That's a confirmed fact. Jay fucked Nas baby mother that's a fact. Jay snaked Nas out his publishing that's a fact. Nas underperforming with his albums after illmatic.
at least nas didn't cry when he heard takeover
Yet Jay sent the whole rocafella and it was Nas alone. Stop it, Jay underestimated Nas, poked the bear and the bear did what the bear does, tore shit up. Stop it, dude had to drop super ugly because of ether.
Right in the recommended videos I've got a DJVLAD video with Charlemagne where Charlamagne calls Drake's Back to Back....a Top 5 diss track. And here he is saying Ether was elementary.
I think that's all you need to know about Charlemagne and his ability to speak on hip hop.
Ether is the greatest diss song ever made. Nas is the greatest rapper of all time. Jay Z is overrated as fuck and corny as fuck. Jay is not even in my top 5, maybe not even my top 10.
AgondeTV true that
It's funny, Charlamagne says Jay-z hit him with facts, and then the first line he brings out from the takeover to prove it is an OPINION "You made it a hot line, I made it a hot song" . I guess Charlemagne does't know the difference between a fact and opinion. In my OPINION "The world is your's" which is where that "Dead President" sample comes from is an awesome song, so much for his fact. Another so called fact that people think Jay-z said which is really an OPINION is when he says "That's a one hot album every ten year average and thats so lame", that is an OPINION! In my OPINION the first 3 albums for Nas were classics, and then "Stillmatic and God Son" were classics as well. Looks like someone needs to go back to school
Yes those are opinions. But there is a degree of truth behind them. As a Nas fan I generally felt he fsll of after Illmatic even if I enjoyed I am or IWW. I also prefer dead presidents to The world is yours. Its also worth pointing out Jay attacked Nas's credibility as an Mc not his appearance or so called sexuality
@@sugs1191 If nas kept staying the illmatic lane then he would be Canibus status today instead of a being a global icon he is today. Nas never fell off. He just grew as an artist and expanded his artistry.
@@sugs1191 Huh?? He called nas a fag model for esco ads. What does that mean to you??
@@willsmooth1355 he's more attacking his image there and that was like half a bar.
@@willsmooth1355 no bcos Canibus has never had an illmatic and most of Canibus albums suck tbh.
Ether - Timeless
Takeover - Forgotten to time
Takeover went from career ending diss to irrelevant and not considered top 10 once ether came out. Ether was and is that powerful. Hov had to take a vacay after ether came out😅😅😅
Charlamenge fully understands.
Takeover was a WMD for 2 of QB’s elite rappers.
He took Takeover to Summer Jam for Prodigy & was set to do the same for Nas. Created the “Get/Got Summer Jammed”.
Takeover was 1 1/2 verse for P & 1 1/2 for Nas.
If not for Takeover, Nas’ rap career might’ve been done with.
Ether 4 verses of high school snaps. Nothing in that song was a jaw-dropper.
But it was said Nas never was a battle rapper. Jay used to battle dudes all the time.
And then Nas attempts to throw extra shots in “Destroy & Rebuild” which I knew he just felt brave for dissing Nature, Mega, & Prodigy lol.
Takeover was the closest to Pac & The Outlaws’ “Hit’em Up”
Ether was name calling and over emotional. Takeover was way better.
Another Stan.
Charlamagne is so biased 😂
Takeover wasn't even about Nas... It was mostly about Prodigy from Mobb Deep.
+Coltrane 1 verse was directed as nas
wtf did you even listen to the song?? Its a whole verse on there going at nas, said his name and all. U can't be serious?
+Shanty Boonstabo let me guess "HALF A BARRRRR", hit em up was better than both!
Then P made him shook on the street.
Jay's a little pussy. The only, ONLY reason rappers are afraid of Jay-z today is because they know he has the Illuminati protecting him and if any one of those rappers step up and say some bold stuff about they could possibly be killed. Remember how everyone was dissing Jay back in the day? Well, now that Jay-z's in that illuminati s*** now, now everybody respects him and calling him, "one of the greatest rappers alive". You kidding me? His music is straight trash and is the husband of that she devil Beyonce. Can't stand either one of them.
Yeah years later it wasn’t actual facts Charlemagne 😂
im not gonna lie, i do agree with him, ether had some corny ass lines and playground insults, jay z did come with more facts
Name the facts please?? I think u and charlamagne are confusing facts and opinions. I guarantee u cant name more than 1 factual statement from takeover but i could name at least 5 facts from ether.
@@jjjayden8964 the fact that nas had been falling off after illmatic, the fact that he paid nas' manager or whatever for the dead presidents sample, and the fact that he fucked nas' girl. Wtf did nas say? Gay z? Cockafella? "YoU'rE a StAn, EmInEm MuRdErEd YoU" WEAK.
@@arstar5435 lmao. Falling off?? That's your opinion genius. Thats not a FACT. IT WAS WRITTEN imo is a better album than illmatic and alot of people feel that way. Also nas wasnt with Carmen no more. Carmen went after jay when she caught nas cheating with mary j blige. You named no facts just an opinion that doesnt hold no weight. Illmatic, It was written and Stillmatic are all classics. Now I can name at least 5 facts from ether. Jayz biting biggie, jayz doing taebo, jayz begging nas to do songs, naming their company after a brooklyn hustler who actually died from aids, hopping on anything that is hot. Ether was a psychological beatdown and that 3rd verse had jay crying on hot 97 saying how vulgar and uneasy it was. Again please name the facts on takeover?? You rambled off a bunch of opinion and jay smashed nas's babymoms but u tried to twist it and say it was nas girl. Lol.
@@willsmooth1355 nah, it was a fact, nobody was messing with nas no more, he was falling off hard, he was sounding more and more mainstream. And idk who tf told you that Carmen one, but its untrue, jay z fucked her even when she was in the relationship with him, she said it an interview. And jay z biting biggie? You ever heard of paying homage? And that Rockefeller one is also a garbage statement, so what if he died of aids?and that was not jay z begging, he asked nas to do a feature and nas rejected him, thats it.
@@arstar5435 lmao. Nas sold 3 million with it was written and sold over 2 million with IAM. What the hell are u talking about?? Nas was still selling records. Again u don't know what u are talking about. Just because u agree with what jay said on takeover doesnt make it factual. Now i just gave u 5 facts from ether. U havent named one. The only fact on takeover was jay smashing nas's babymoms or sloppy seconds. Learn the difference between facts and opinions.
this dude is banned from talkin rap forever, takeover was trash, ether was legendary
Facts on facts!! Ether was weak asf!!! Jay-Z broke down Nas's career at that time. He was struggling for years!!!
@@THE-INFINITE-VIBES Ether was trash writing and wasnt as personal or hard hitting as Takeover.
@@jairogers5876 thank you...the majority of people like outright insults instead of facts...ig they find it more entertaining
Fool it was written went platinum with over 3 million records sold Nas has fans in Europe than jay
ether is OFFICIALLY the better diss track. Jay Z cried when he heard it.
Ether may have had corny moments but overall it's the much better diss record... Takeover was cool but I feel Jay was trying too hard to diss Nas and mobb... Ether seemed more natural and flowed better... Just me... Both kings of ny and hip hop...
Then hit em is corny
I don't think Jay Z tried too hard btw. I think he went hard. But Ether is corny you admit it yourself. But Nas Stans always say it's more lyrical - which is the biggest lie period. Nas is very lyrical but Ether was not
Jay tried too hard? Wtf u smoking ether was pure desperation 😂
Charla forgot Takeover was the FIRST shot….
Jay had respond overnight to ETHER, and that “SuperUgly”, was both EMOTIONAL, and an ENTIRE song, albeit a mixtape joint.
Hov was in his feelings because ONE of the rocks being thrown connected to his ass, and EGO checked him.
Glad both brothas are still rhymin tho
I’m glad someone knows their NYC hip-hop history
Nah not really though, Nas’ Stillmatic freestyle was the first proper track in the beef
Jay definitely went in, but nas clowned Jay period. Just listen to the song it’s an event! A motion picture! I’d pay to see ether preformed, it is arguably the best diss track since hit em up. And if your a real fan of hip hop you can’t even argue the point...
I'm a real hip hop fan. Ether is overrated. Takeover is underrated.
@@sugs1191 takeover is definitely a dope track. Don’t get me wrong, the joint is a respectable jab. Ether is ether tho my G! Getting ethered is now common terminology. Let that marinate for 35….45 minutes. Jay got handled on so many different levels. The people who think Jay won because he slept with nas’s ex is just retarded. In all actuality at the same time Jay was messing wit nas’s ex. Nas was going on "dates" with Beyoncé. So what the science here? Take over was half ass and Jay got ethered ( an actual term now). Lol
Eminem has the dopest diss tracks imo aside from killshot of course
@@anthonylopez5 lol killshot is his worst, you should listen the to his earlier stuff like quitter,bully, girls ,nail in the coffin etc
I guess Ether doesn’t stop burning
Jay never did a whole song to NaS? We all know "Supa Ugly" was trash and that by that time it was clear Nas had won, but it still counts a song, no? Charlamagne just rides Jay-Z way too hard. To this day getting murdered on wax is referred to as Ether.
When he said Nas was in the game 10 years to his 5, that was fallacious
THAT LINE WAS SO INACCURATE THAT I GET UPSET WHEN PPL SAY TAKEOVER WAS ALL FACTS. JAY USED A DIFFERENT MEASURING STICK FOR HIMSELF COMPARED TO NAS..HE USED THE TIME NAS DID LIVE AT THE BARBEQUE AND COMPARED IT TO WHEN HE DROPPED REASONABLE DOUBT. TRASH ASS BAR TBH
Well... technically speaking, Nas dropped his firsr piece of music in 1991 called "The Original Tapes" and Takeover dropped in 2001. So... Jay was in the shit for 6 years, but Nas was actually in the shit for 10
@@solitary2 Actually no, Jay Z was rapping before his first album "Reasonable Doubt" as he was not only seen featured on Big L's infamous "1995 10 minute freestyle" joint as well as the Block Party with ODB, Shyehim, Big Scoob, and others. More specifically in fact was the feature from Big Daddy Kane when Jay-Z used to rap fast just like him hence the "I gave you a style for you to run with" since Jay wasn't rapping like he was on Reasonable Doubt before Nas as he was on the Big Daddy Kane flow in 1995 as also seen in the Big L freestyle. He was doing the fast flow and he even has a track with Jaz-O before that around circa 1991 called "The Originators" which was the original one before the Originator '99 version came out on the Vol. 2 album since it was just a refresh of their original back in the days. So Jay-Z was technically incorrect and made it out as if he never been in the game as long when he clearly was or at least was very close to being out just as long as Nas has been, he just didn't drop his own album until 1996 where Nas had 2 and a demo tape from 91 as well.
@@jordanprice9285 TAWK!
@@jordanprice9285 Facts!
Sad part is, Charlemagne the goddess and a lot of people didn't even hear the original Ether!🤣
No one did outside of the industry.
I didn't even know there was an "original" one 🤔
But no mention of that corny ass comeback from jay 😂😂😂 on a dre and nocturnal beat. Jay got real personal and elementary on that foh.
Supa Ugly? Oh that shit was whack as fuck
8ball64 supa wack!
the conversation was ethet vs takeover not supa ugly
I like how charlamagne is making fun of someone for being childish
CTG is super corny! Ironic for him to call a classic hip hop "corny"! Smh
Takeover is infinitely better than ether. Kanye killed the beat too. Ether beat was boring.
So if Ether was angry and emotional what was Superugly?
Coming from the nigga who's favorite rapper is drake and thinks back to back is one of the best disses ever
Facts
truth
He's right, take over was better. Either was coo but takeover was stating facts. Nas was just clowning his looks and shit. People need to listen to take over again. Classic diss record
Ether is better
+Tommy Hass hahahahaha
'how many more of biggies rhymes gonna come out your fat lips?' got em
'callin my crib n i ain't even give you my numbers' got em
'eminem murdered you on your own shit' got em
That's what a rap diss track does, it's about who can come up with the best roasts of the other guy
Nas also mentioned the fact that Jay-Z was asking Foxy questions about Nas about when he used to fuck her, who does shit like that?
Charlemagne sounded mad emotional in this, but he wasn’t wrong.
He is on every level. There was hella facts told on Ether… he refuses to acknowledge it & only mention some of the name calling lines on the song. Not only that but he even went as far to say that Jay Z never had a song dedicated to dissing nas and only had a verse as if the song “Super Ugly” don’t exist smh
this is a man trying to save his career as Jay Z got him fired once in the past. so he is doin all he can to be in his best side haha
Yea yea its true good point
Takeover was always better 💯
ctg is speaking facts! i think ctg, djvlad, clark kent, schoolboyq, rosenberg and myself are the only ppl that say takeover was better than ether!
Charlamagne is the same nigga to say back to back is a top 3 disstrack ever
I do think Nas is a better rapper than Jay z but Charlamagne was right. The thing is there is nothing witty or cold about saying childish insults. It just sounds immature. I do think however Nas won the war because Nas has always been reinventing himself and is still making music. It’s funny that Nas called him a biter for stealing Bigs lyrics but Nas himself has used Rakim lines in his songs. By that logic ALL RAPPERS BITE. USING ONE LINE ISN’T BITING. If there is any rapper that bites that’s Drake cuz he copies whole verses. One bar isn’t copying. That’s just paying respect to OGS.
Who's mans is this?! This fella must have got roc'd by jay z so hard, he's still riding
his boss, he pays his wages a fucking radio guy
Takeover overall was a better song... Case Closed !!!
Who gives a fuck about a better song, we're talking diss tracks and according to facts ether killed takeover so case closed bro
+Shanty Boonstabo diss song isnt supposed to be facts. tupac didnt do half the things he claimed in hit em up but that doesnt stop it from being the best diss track.
***** my bad gangsta
+Shanty Boonstabo no facts like jay z copying names asking nas for help and money snaking biggie smalls
+Alexander Fuentes thank you some of these people on the comments just missed all the ether facts
Jay took out nas
stick it to em. I agree Jay gave Nas a taste of his own medicine
108 Nasir stans disliked this. When I was young I gave it to Nas but Jay had more validity on Takeover in one verse. I'm a Nas fan saying this too , y'all stans need to wake up.
ETHER is whack 😢 some people just can't accept the truth. The people who like Ether Nas career tanked after Takeover What top 10 song has he dropped since. Ill wait.
Made You Look, I Can, Just A Moment, Thief’s Theme, HipHop is Dead, One Mic, Got Yourself A Gun 🤷🏾♂️
YOU can’t ACCEPT that it WAS IS AND WILL FOREVER BE BETTER THAN TAKEOVER🌻AND WAS A UNANIMOUS KNOCKOUT😂
The dislikes in the video say everything.
Ether buried Jay Z
Jay Z fans be delusional asf
Nas hands won that shit hands down bar for bar. It was all facts
Charlemagne is actually right
Nope Jay did make a whole song
takeover was the better diss, it killed the beef before it even began. ether was good but the lyrics were so corny and premature considering how long nas took to respond to it. it’s definitely an unpopular opinion but jay z buried nas with takeover than buried him with super ugly
Ppl want Nas to win so bad cuz it’s good for the story. Jay knows he won over Nas. It’s just like ppl not wanting Floyd Mayweather being undefeated but he is. Ppl say Floyd has lost fights but his record shows otherwise.
Jay Z own people said they lost ....
Even Dame Dash and Steve Stout told Jay not to fuck with Nas. Jay let Lyor Cohen hyped him up to get his soul snatched by Nas!🤣
charlmage is a jay z fan...he knows that a diss track doesnt necessarily revolve around facts because jayz wasnt also speaking facts, he referenced factual events and sensationalized them. Charlmange knows that ether is the better song period...better diss track period...better on all counts...he's just butt hurt about it
1 hot album every 10 year average.... Jay z won
andre johnson nah. First off, Jay was off saying “you been in this ten I been in this five” by his measurements, for himself he was talking about when his first album released (5 years before Takeover was 96 when Doubt came out). We all know Jay was rapping before 96 (Hawaiian Sophie etc). Ten years before Takeover was 1991. Illmatic came out in 94. That one hot album every ten year average Line was off. Plus, It Was Written is classic and Jay knows it!
“If you look at the liner notes on ‘Dead Presidents,’ Nas is one of the publishers,” MC Serch admitted on “Drink Champs.” Nas owns a piece of JAY’s catalogue. And that’s a fact.”
Charlemagne sounds emotional 💀💀💀 another hurt Jay-Z stan 💀
Ok but what about the first track: Stillmatic Freestyle (paid in full beat). One of the most creative and amazing disses ever. That > Ether.
Stop in Philly, order cheese steaks and eat Beans fast
And bring it back up top, remove the fake king of New York
You show off, I count dough off when you sample my voice
I rule you, before, you used to rap like the Fu-Schnickens
Nas designed your Blueprint, who you kidding?
Is he H to the izz-O, M to the izz-O?
For shizzle you phony, the rapping version of Sisqo
And that's for certain, you clone me, your wack clothes line
I'd rather Sean John, you bore me with your fake coke rhymes
And those times, they never took place, you liar
Un was your first court case, you had no priors
You master fabricated stories of streets and sound slick
Have you surrounded, you and the faggots you down with
While they riding Nas, trying to boost their careers
Corny as Cormega, all you Hip-Hop queers
Since Illmatic, It Was Written, I Am Nastradamus
That's the answers to the puzzle I gave you, now here's a promise
My next few albums, instead of projects
They'll be a difficult test inside the cover for the mind's optics
Why does everyone sleep on the super ugly freestyle where jay destroys anything Nas said on ether?!?!?
What a pair of fools these 2 are! Ether was about Jay Z's soul. You can't go deeper than that. Greatest diss track ever.
How did he sound emotional? 💀 Char sound more emotional than Nas.
Ether was weak; it was lite...
super ugly was at Nas and was the actual reply track to Ether but everybody seems to forget that...you want to know why, cause it was weak...
Everyone knows Nas spits bullets, the fact that he used "immature" lines to destroy Jays makes it lethal.
“he who angers you conquers you”
takeover>ether
Ether was super corny super elementary embarrassing lyrics. Has not aged well. Takeover is a classic.
Actually no nas did get paid from that
Takeover was just as good ether in my opinion.
those are the best disses why u think him em up, no vaseline, and real muthaphukkin gs are some of the hottest disses ever it's because the emotion behind it
Takeover is one of the dopest beats ever with one of the weakest, low energy choruses. Ethers chorus is literally a thesis statement which he then developes further and provides evidence to support the initial statement AND its actually ear catching.
That's absolute garbage btw. The Chorus on The Takeover was awesome. Ether chorus was weak.
NAS bodied Jay
😂corny??? Charlemagne is the corny one
"Jay won overall obviously," as I recall, he started the bullshit and then got exposed. Dumb idea, and no, Nas was the clear winner, and Illmatic is better than his whole career.
I guess these guys never heard of super ugly which also was a very emotional song.
Wasn't emotional it's was factual and he was laughing all on the song. Shit was dope and vicious!!
abe nice it was just as emotional and factual as either. Takeover was at the same level as the stillmatic freestyle. Also to add nas still won the battle
Ruby black your entitled to that opinion I believe Jay won and it's even more so proven now! What the fuck Nas doing now? Lol
abe nice Nas is just as regarded a Jay-z don't try to discredit his achievements because you not one of his fans. Besides they did a poll on hot97 to claim a winner of the battle and Nas one. Now don't get it twisted Jay-z in my opinion is still a genius but he lost. Now two his credit only two rappers have ever bested him and that is Nas and Tupac. It is what it is and I do respect your opinion many people feel he beat Nas
Yeah they did a poll after the fact Jay changed him to a batte life which is how a battle is truely done. I believe jay would have won that too. nas wisely turned that down . And I am a fan of nas.
Question how did those best Jay they never battled?
Ether was corny???? Charla for sure in the firm! Now he wearing dresses....Full circle
Tbh, when Ether drop CTG was in the boonies doing radio. He legit doesn’t know the history nor the impact this record had in the city. Imo, if the majority of the city had Nas winning. Then Nas won.
Everyone should notice Nas does not or want to talk about Ether at all any more. He did his job. Finished it. Moved on like an adult
Facts. Its only the losers like young guru that try to rewrite history.