Mixing Flash Brands and Triggers: Ask David Bergman
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- Опубликовано: 8 июл 2024
- Today's question from Jerry W: “I have four Canon Speedlites and want to use them with the Profoto B2 as my key light with the Profoto radio trigger. Is there a way to trigger the Speedlites with this setup?”
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Dave, always put a smile on my face, when you post something. Great to see you on RUclips / Adorama.
"Back in the day", hell yeah two decades, do count as "decades". Please keep them coming!
Great tips in using mixture of speed lights and strobes together. This one is one to keep in the bag of tricks thanks David
Dear David, you've put almost all the options for triggering the monolight and speed light together !! v v happy with your videos, thx for posting.
Excellent video David !!! 👍👍👍
Great tips, so appreciated.
That was such an amazing and thorough explanation! 😮
David... As usual, these vids really hit the mark. I have done a lot of work with "Really Mixed" strobes. I use the Adorama Flashpoint Budget Strobes which have a Guide Number of 190 or 300 Watt Seconds, not too shabby for $100. I use the Phottix Stratos Multi II transceivers and receivers to tie it all together with Canon Strobes as well. I also use the Canon 90ES which is no longer made, but it can act as a Master. The Canon 430EX which can act as a Slave only. Of course, I have a Canon 600EX RT and a Yongnuo Knock off of the Canon 600.
I truly appreciate this video as it is "Right up my alley" as us older folks put it. Thanks again for giving me some better ideas!
Sound like quite a "Frankflash" setup! Glad you've got it all working. :)
Thank you for another excellent review!
I love your work Dave. Your work reminds me of the bygone era of big rock bands photography of the seventies. Cool episode.
Thanks!
Big rock bands, big cameras, big hair.
David, thank you very much!
Excellent video and good choices. In my case PocketWizard (along with a flash meter) was the way to go with a variety of Profoto and a set of modern and vintage flashlights. Recently, however, I wanted to upgrade to the latest Profoto wireless strobes, but instead I decided to test an alternate system from Godox. I also acquired a few Godox triggers for my Nikon flashlights, and the entire system of strobes and flashlights now work in harmony, TTL and HSS included. Saved a bundle too over the competing system I initially considered!
There are so many options now. Glad you found what works best for you.
The Orlit strobe looks like a great product for a Canon or Nikon shooter, great video Dave, always interesting stuff👍👍
It is a great system!
Hi David, i am a Nikon shooter and i can use SB600 speedlights triggered by the CLS system and i also use a Speedotron D802 pack with 3 M11 heads which i use a radio trigger for. When i use them both together i use the CLS system on for the Nikon Speedlights and an old school optical trigger on the Speedotron pack which works very well. Thanks for the Info and have a good week.
Yup - that works!
Hi Great video. Are the Orlit flashes still available? I've done a search and can't seem to see which other brands also communicate with the Canon ST-E3-RT, can you point me in the right direction? Looking for a small Monolight to add to my speed lights, to give more power to the key light. Thanks
We have been using the ORLIT system since it first came out and have done extensive testing and feedback for Adorama over the past few years. It has been a very reliable system for us with misfires and issues being few and far between. We have taken as many as 30,000 photos in a single week at fashion shows with great results.
I love mine! Both the Orlit and Flashpoint systems have proven to work very well. For smaller lights, I prefer to stick with my Canon Speedlites.
@@DavidBergmanPhoto haven't had the chance to use the newer flashpoint lights yet. Hoping to get some soon. I do like the ORLIT ROVER when I need something lightweight but yeah speed lights still have their place.
@@risbill1 And you are still using the TR-Q6 Trigger? Or had any other brand?
David’s system is good. For a budget solution I use yunguno triggers with a mix their speed lights and a con Ex43:0ii as well as a Godox studio strobe. The triggers provides both manual and TTL control over the speed lights, while I need to manually control the studio strobe
I know this is a 3 years old reply haha but you just save me money..i have YN trigger and I can use it to fire GOdox strobe
How is your Yongnuo gear holding up? I used Yongnuo gear for a few years but had reliability issues. Sometimes the speedlight would not fire and I had to take out the batteries and swap them around to different positions (and sometimes that would work.) Then one day, my YN speedlight and transmitter would no longer power up when inserting brand new batteries. No more signs of life.
If you primarily use a system wirelessly like the Canon Speedlights but just need to add a single large strobe, you can grab the shutter sync by adding a Pocket Wizard to the pc sync socket on the camera. You'll need to adjust the power setting of the big strobe in-place, but you can still control your Speedlight settings remotely with a ST-E3-RT.
A whole other issue involves matching the color coming out of the different brands of strobes.
True!
It took a long time to get to the answer. First half of video is a Canon ad that does not answer the question.
Just showing what I use and why. But thanks for watching and for taking the time to comment. I do appreciate it.
Thanks for your videos. I have a Canon 80D. I use as my main flash a Godox AD200. I find a nice deal to buy Neewer Vision 4. Does my Godox tigger works with the Neewer flash? If not, how can I use both at the same time for photo shoothings
Hi David great vid. thanks for the info. I bought the optical slave using the link you provided. it seems I need additional part to plug in the slave. will you let know what that is? I have a speedlite 580EX. thanks
Hi Dave,
Thank you for your awesome videos.
I also have a compatibility issue.
I primarily own all Canon gear which includes three EL-1 speedlights and a Canon Speedlite Transmitter ST-E3-RT (Ver. 2). I am on the cusp of purchasing a Hasselblad X2D (for specific studio work) and would very much like to use my Canon Speedlites and transmitter if at all possible without having to invest in more (compatible) Speedlites.
My preference is to mount the transmitter on the X2D and safely fire the EL-1(s) remotely. What options (budget friendly or not) would you recommend where I can keep my Canon Speedlites even if I just safely (due to trigger voltage) shoot in manual mode?
Thank you !
I have the orlit rovelight 610 for Nikon which trigger will work with SB910 and 610
Hii! thanks for the video! Can I use Canon trigger with Godox V1?
Great video and loved the combinations you showed, But could this all work in high sync? And what if the big strobe was say an Elinchrom that doesn't do HSS?
If the flash supports HSS (which that Orlit does), then yes - it would work. But the flash has to support it because it literally changes the way the flash fires. It's not as simple as a transmitter telling it to go faster. :)
David. Apart from the Canon ST-E3-RT, can the Orlit Rovelight 610 be connected with another trigger brand? If so, which one you recommend? Thanks a lot!
One other option which I use. I have two Godox TT685s with a x-pro trigger. I also have an older speed light that I can use as a third flash if needed. I put it on Slave mode (S1). This light does not support HSS nor TTL when used as a slave. Thus I put it on S1 mode and manually set the power of the flash. When any other flash near by goes off it does trigger this flash. Some day I will get another Godox TT685, but until then this will work - just takes a little effort.
Sounds like that older Speedlite has a built in optical slave, which is nice to have for situations like this. Glad you got it working!
Question: Can a flash trigger be used on a Versalight studio lighting system?
So I’m just curious - will channels on Godox transmitter be compatible with same channels nr on for example neweer flashes etc? For example I have godox transmitet and one godox speedlite and one neweer speedlite. Just curious if I set them on same channel does it work or not? Hehe 🤔
I enjoyed your great tutorial on different ways to mix flash/strobe systems, however, I have a question regarding the Canon Speedlite system and its inability to trigger Second Curtain sync wirelessly off camera. I own a Canon 5D Mk IV along with the Canon Speedlite transmitter (ST-E3-RT) and two Canon 600 EX-RT Speedlites. I want to trigger my two Canon Speedlites off camera in second curtain sync and cannot do it within the Canon system. Is there a reasonably priced radio trigger/receiver out there which can trigger my Canon Speedlites? I shoot in Manual mode so ETTL is not a requirement.
I know this comment is old, but it"s baffling to me that there's not a lot of transmitters than can do this on Canon. I use many systems and the only one I have that can do this is the Elinchrom Pro Transmitter.
However, Canon has upgraded their protocol lately when they came out with their "sell a kidney to get the speedlite" SL-1. At the same time, it seems like their also upgrade the ST-E3-RT to a Mark II version and, from my understanding, the new units have the capacity to do second curtain sync wirelessly. Still the same poor 30 meters max distance for the system, though.
Just bought the AD200 PRO and the AD600 from a buddy and have been wondering if I can trigger them with my Yonguo YN-E3-RT which is identical to Canon's ST-E3-RT. So you answered the first part: yes, it can trigger them! Your video's a blessing!
But I can't figure out how.
You'd need to connect a Yonguo receiver to the port of the AD200 as the transmitter isn't speaking Godox's language.
Hi can you list down which RT-strobe light compatible with ST E3 RT
I just got the westcott fj400 strobes and would like to use my canon speedlights or even my allienbees with it. How can I connect them and will I be able to adjust my power output on my speedlights? My fj400s came with the Fj-x2m trigger. Can I control my power outage of my speed lights with it?
love your work, just have a question about .. i using my Sony A7Riv camera with Profoto A1X with Profoto trigger , all is fine. and i got my Sony speedlites HVL-F43M. can i connect together? please send me more detail from trigger to connect together please. G.Lam
I can’t get the Godox x pro to work with newer strobes , do you know if it should?
I am wanting to adapt my dyna-lite 2040 heads to use the bowens mount light modifiers I use on my flashpoint lights. Is it possible?
I have a canon 5d mark4 with 2 YONGNUO speedlite YN560 III, I have just got a strobe GODOX SK 400 II. My trigger for my speedlites won't work with the strobe, without changing my speedlights, is there a trigger that will work my setup?
My remote wireless transceiver has 3 channels but I want to create an extra channel as a rim light using an old canon EX 430 II flash. If I set my Yongnuo master to shoot in all manual will the added dumb optical slave on the canon flash work correctly because though they are ETTL capable it will prevent the other flashes’ from firing with a pre-flash?
I assume you mean "groups" instead of channels, but I get the idea. I don't have that Yongnuo, but in my experience with other transmitters, when you set it on all manual, it will not fire a pre-flash. Those are only needed to send TTL data. So you should be OK if you put all your flashes in manual. Otherwise the optical receiver on the Canon will trigger that flash too early.
Would that transmitter work with a neewer vision strobe?
This guy literally knows everything
Except how to play the dobro.
David Bergman yeah he sucks at that lol
Can you hardwire two different transmitters via PC Sync cord?
I have X1 trigger for canon and am using Nikon so can I set high speed sync to my niko godox speedlight V860ii
Hey dude! I’m waiting on a Profoto connect pro to come into stock, in the meantime, I have a Hahnel captur. Will that work with a Profoto a10?
Hey David, were you using the Lightware Foursquare? Great piece of underrated gear. I'm surprised i don't see it more often.
Yes - I have two of them! Best way I've found to solidly mount four Speedlites. I don't use them as often anymore because of the available of the Orlit and Flashpoint strobes that work with the Canon radios. Before those, I did everything I could to stick with one system and have 8 Canon Speedlites to prove it. :)
There's always those cheap chinese brands like yongnuo. For studio environment they will work fine. The godox X system which will also trigger some flashpoint gears since adorama rebranded some godox flash.
Current Godox remotes and current speedlights will trigger all the current Flashpoint lights and vise versa at this point. A Godox or Flashpoint speedlight for Canon will even work full function(TTL/HSS/Remote power adjustment) to control Godox/Flashpoint speedlights meant for other camera brands and all the Godox or Flashpoint monolights with built in receivers. The only ones that don't work(to my knowledge) are the AC powered FP budget strobes(300w/160w/120w) but that's because they don't have radio control capabilities. They can still be triggered by their built in optical slave.
I used Yongnuo flash gear for a few years but I had reliability issues with it. Sometimes the speedlight would not fire. I had to take out the batteries and swap them around to different positions and often, that fixed the issue. Though one day, my Yongnuo speedlight and transmitter would not turn on anymore when inserting brand new batteries. No signs of life anymore. I think I'll choose a different brand for my next speedlight.
Get a Westcott. They can radio trigger speedlights.
Is there a MATRIX, published anywhere, showing compatibilities between radio transmitters of each brand known to sell one, vs speedlights (and greater) of various brands?
What trigger and transmitter can I use for my Canon 430ex ii flash? Will I be able to control flash settings from the trigger?
I have a Neewer I6T EX 600W TTL HHS Flash with built-in receiver. Works fine with the trigger that came with it. But when I tried to trigger it with a Godox X Pro C 2.4G, it will fire, but I can't adjust the power from the trigger. I'm a little frustrated because I'd heard that many Neewer products were actually just re-brandings of Godox goods. Thus I assumed that Neewer and Godox lighting would be more compatible.
Sorry I've never used the Neewer flashes. Maybe someone else on here has some experience with them?
@@DavidBergmanPhoto Interesting. I'm an amateur and when I first started, I bought a lot of Neewer products. They seem to be heavily promoted on Amazon: "Best Seller" or "Amazon's Choice." Good Amanzon reviews, with many stars & lowest prices. I assume they are not sold by Adorama or B&H. Although Neewer probably appeals to mostly amateurs, I bet there are a lot Neewer consumers out there. You might want to do a review on Neewer gear.
Is there a basic low cost flash trigger that I could use with a Godox speedlight?
Can the canon transmitter change the power settings on that large strobe?
Yes!
Will the Godox XPro-C TTL trigger work with a ESDDI Speedlite?
Hmm, first time seeing that Speedlite. I doubt it would be compatible out of the box. But you could probably add a Godox receiver to that Speedlite to trigger it.
David any Ideas how to use my Sigma FP L with Godox strobes? Trigger etc etc
How do I link Canon ST E3 RT to control the Godox AD200 Pro?
Does the Canon ST-E3-RT work on godox AD 300 pro ?
In theory, yes. But remember, Godox is reverse engineering the radio channels, so your mileage may vary.
what are the pocket wizard alternatives.. cheaper but functional alternatives?
Very informative, thank you. When do you breathe?
Just sharing my experience.When using Canon ST-E3-RT Ver 2 trigger, one need to be aware of the effective range. I used ST-E3-RT to control Canon Speedlite EL-1 and Westcott FJ400 (ORLIT equivalent) and noticed that the FJ400 does not trigger reliably when I am more than 30m away. In fact, many a times it does not trigger the FJ400 even though I have line of sight and no blackage.This is worse if you are using EL-1 as a trigger.
I use Lightpix Labs T2 transmitter and receiver. The transmitter is tiny. It stays permanently on the camera. I put a Nissin controller, or a Godox controller, on the receiver. I keep this controller close by me. I lose TTL, but I can control any number of flashes remotely. With a second T2 receiver, I can use both systems together and control even more flashes; all remotely. Lightpix Labs even has their own flashes that can be controlled from the transmitter atop the camera remotely. The FlashQ flashes are not powerful, but are good for a little fill.
sir can i fire hss high speed sync with godox x1 trigger i have by connecting elinchrom rx4 light godox receiver via cable
Great. Optical slave is the simple solution.
Can i use 2x Broncolor Siros with 2x Godox DPIII V600? Both working at 2.4 Ghz. I want to use the trigger of Broncolor.
These triggers all use old rc radio technology 2.4ghz and 5ghz. With rc radio controls you can pair your equipment with pretty much anything because it's all about frequency channels, but they essentially lock you into presets. That's not to say that you would be able to control the flash power with the triggers.
I have a Canon 5D Mark IV camera and a Canon 600 EX-II-RT Speedlite flash. Can I add 2 or 3 Godox AD200 Pro units and fire them plus the 600 EX-II-RT at the same time from my Canon camera?
You might want to look into the Godox xpro c transmitter i use one to fire x2 godox ad pro200, a godox dp400 and a canon speedlight at the same time. Works good for me. Dont know if this was any help
David- always enjoy your videos but the Adorama Rovelight 610 is discontinued and the unit has a faulty battery which is now impossible to purchase. Very disappointed of my original purchase and the lack of support from Adorama on this subject.
Ditto!!!!!!!! I bought 2 of the 610s as well as the optional AC adapter and several Orlit speedlights. Very disappointed with Adorama.
David, can I trigger a canon speedlight in slave mode with a AD200?
Took his advice and now I cant get a replacement battery for Orlit because Adorama doesn't carry it anymore☹
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those optical peanuts are not good in a lot of situations... other flashes, strobes lights and lasers will make them go crazy. I found out the hard way. haha. Go wireless when you can
And they don't work well outdoors. Definitely prefer radios if you can do it.
how to use godox xpro trigger with neewer vision 4 prolight
I had 4 600 ex RT’s but at certain venues with wifi the link drops on the off camera flashes and only delink relink if you turn the 600’s off and on again, and that’ll last from 2-10 minutes then drop the link again. Beyond infuriating at a wedding reception. Canon refuses to acknowledge or fix this.
Hmmm... So does this mean I can use my Sony speedlights with a Neewer strobe that's also 2.4ghz if they on the same channel? 🤔
Exactly what I was looking for. Unless you’re a Canon user, no explanation. Move on elsewhere. Good luck buddy!
Mate, you are aware that raising your ISO increases your overall exposure including ambient light right? It Does not make your speedlights any more powerfull.
So, how many Canon Speedlites will it take to match my 9600 watt second Speedotron head?
Wow, triggering more than one flash! We used to call that 'using a slave'. Completely brand agnostic. Unless you'd like to so something like light a large interior with speedlites and a fuck-ton of batteries.
Lots! But yes - optical slaves were very common back in the day. No big deal. And as I show, they still work well for manual firing. But most people want to use the advanced functionality of their modern strobes - controlling settings from the camera, TTL, HSS, etc. And no optical slave will do that. Progress, right?
My advice for Jerry is to sell his equipmen and buy Godox equipment. It's so much cheaper without sacrificing image quality. You can have better quality (with more flashes), ease of use, and redundancy.
Plus, TTL capabilities, too! 😀
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So I am looking to add more off camera lighting. I was recommended godox ad200 and another one. I have a canon et II Rx flash. If I wanted to buy the godox ad200 and treat it as a slave, but also use my canon flash off camera, should I buy the canon wireless transmitter, or buy godox and use it as the master and the canon as a slave?
I’m trying to figure my best options.
Though how is Godox in terms of reliability? I used Yongnuo flash gear for a few years but had serious reliability issues with it.
The Display setups--- how is done? Too many jargon to understand
Bon Jovi 😎
Pocket Wizard guy here.. but that just me..
Long story short, stop using proprietary hardware made to work only with itself. Order Godox or even Neewer equipment and a Good 2.4ghz trigger(X1T or N1T) and call it a day and you can use damn near any make and model mono light or speedlite you want. No special expensive stuff to buy.
Hi, Are you sure that for : Godox X1Ttrigger for a given camera band would work with any 3rd party flash(say JinBei) built in with 2.4GHz network, will communicate without extra receivers or so ? I'm trying to make sure this, as I gave aGodox X1T and I want to confirm if it would work with a JinBei protable studio flash which has the 2.4GHz built in.
A Canon infomercial with a bit if useful info.
too much talk before any info
Should be renamed mixing triggers with Canon, as I got zero from this. Wasted 12 mins of my life. I’m sure if you’re a Canon user, this is for you though.
Thanks for the information David and I have a question for you which is I have a Bolt VB-22 bare bulb reflector flash unit which is great. How would or what would I need to have this VB-22 flash unit communicate (as a master unit) with either my Canon speed lites 600EXII-RT or Godox TT 685c (as slaves). All of these flash units will be used with Canon cameras. Thanks Brother!