I don't get you, on Valencia you say that you couldn't over take, people didn't attend the venue, it was basically boring but you twice said in 30 second it was send to see it go? What's your point?
Valencia deserved to be abandoned New Hochenheim is infinitely better than the old circuit. the only track Tilke got right Old Monza and Brooklands were death bowls Rheims rhymes with reams doesn't rhyme with rhymes Pnyongpong and Bhud were dire Baku is an absolute joke. Needs to go. Yas Marina needs reconfiguration, it does not work as it is. The old O Ring with Remus and the Bosch kurve was epic. Wonderful memories of standing on the entry to Rindt watching Villeneuve leading in the Ferrari Mont Juic was awesome would love to see that come back Fuji deserves a spot Imola is a great track but wouldn't work for modern F1 in much the same way Paul Ricard doesn't either. F1 GP tracks i've been to to watch F1 GP live starting with 1975 British GP Silverstone, Brands, Donnington Paul Ricard, Zolder, Zeltweg O-ring, Zandvort Spa Monza Adelaide Albert Park Interlagos
gosportjamie no it is why Valencia is abandoned now is basically the president of Valencia pay the F1 but not all that is the problem now we continue to pay the f1
Magny cours was actually a really well designed race track; the trouble was that the surface was billiard smooth so the tyres just never seemed to wear out. That's why it very often a race that relied on strategy; I.E. Schumacher's 4 stop win in 2004. The 1999, 2000 and 2002 races there were in my view pretty action packed.
The Monza Oval is interesting to me because it hosted a race in which Formula 1 cars went head to head with Indy cars of the day. It occurred prior to the mid-engined cars took over both series and the Indy cars ran away and hid from the Formula 1 cars, particularly in the first year. No surprise really as they were designed for ovals with big Offenhauser engines. I wonder how the Indy cars would have fared on the Monza road course?
i would like to see the South African GP at Kyalami Curcuit return to F1. I would also like to see an F1 race in Scandinavia, we had the Swedish GP in the 1970s, but it would be cool to have a modern day GP race.
I hope kayalami ( the old South Africa f1 track) gets put back in, a couple of years ago Porsche SA bought it and revitalized it. It is currently holding many types of races, from v8 super cars to f3000 to normal track days. ( I might be biased because it is literally 10 km from my house) Edit: also the track is brilliant, a few weeks ago I entered a track day there, it’s so much fun with 950bhp and awd from my r33 gtr.
I used to race bikes at Aintree an Ex F1 track. It has a long fast back straight but sadly now the rest of the track on the other side of the melling road has gone. It's still a great track for bikes, very fast.
Isn't Reims on public roads? Also how about Clermont-Ferrand? Kyalami in South Africa. Jarama in Spain. The old Spa circuit and Zolder in Belgium. Oporto in Portugal. Anderstorp in Sweden. St. Jovite and Mosport(still active)in Canada. The old Zandvoort circuit in Netherlands. Zeltweg and the old Osterreichring in Austria. Imola in Italy. Aintree in England. Interlagos in Brazil. Bremgarten in Switzerland.
Indianapolis and Laguna Seca, two American tracks that need to out back onto the formula 1 schedule. Another track that should be on the formula 1 schedule is Bathurst in Australia. What a beautiful track that is.
David Brackin I watched that event, here on RUclips, LoL. That was a great event, it was wonderful to see an F1 on the Bathurst track. It’s however sad that the incredibly strict safety regs, eliminate some beautiful tracks and makes some very boring tracks. I do understand the need for such regs, I just find saddening that more often then not, it makes for boring racing.
There's a race track being built in Northern Ireland called Lake Torrent as far as I'm aware. It's about 3.6km long and is built to bring in world race events.. I doubt that it will ever host a F1 GP, even though the layout seems pretty interesting, but one can dream that there's always potential for new tracks around the world to become part of the F1 calendar.
Parts of the Rouen-Essartes track are still used to this day, and Rheims (pronounced "reem" or "reems" with a soft s at the end) is being seriously looked at for being brought back into use, at least partly. Rheims, like Rouen-Essartes, was also a public road course as Spa-Francorchamps was and, most famously, the Le Mans-La Sarthe circuit still is and it was largely this reason that caused it to close. While the track was closed to the public for racing a number of towns and villages on the route were pretty much cut off, though the safety of the track, as a lot of the tracks at the time, was questionable with their being a lot of very large crashes over its history...
Awesome. Love a good geeky F1 vid. I miss the old Hockenheim like you'd never believe and the German GP was always my favourite on the calender as I loved those long run-outs into the countryside. It was also an awesome track to play on the PS2....
I hate to say it but Monaco is the most boring track on the calender, especially since the Azerbaijan GP came along. Probably better back in the day when the cars weren't as wide as the cars around today. Can't see why the Hockenheim track can't be remapped to the way it was. The Azerbaijan and Russian GP both have huge straights and are absolutely awesome tracks. I miss the San Marino GP.
Monaco and Catalunya track....... Catalunya track is so boring that if a person in front doing a flying lap 2-3 seconds per lap faster than the rest.....it will end up with huge gap , sometimes the gaps between no 1 and 2 reached more than 30+second!!......
bring back korea, omg that circuit had so so so much potential it's honestly a massive indictment on berney's last few years in charge that it was taken off the calendar. imagine if the whole project got completed with it's marina and the hotel too, absolute spectacle of a circuit for television.
The old Östereichring wasn't bad. I actually got to walk the old section of the circuit which isn't used anymore and it's basically a parking space for all the teams' lorries when the grand prix is happening.
You cant compare the österreichring with monza. At that Time the österreichring was the fastest Track in the whole world. Monza was fast but not so fast then austria.... that was the Magic there. With the Bosch chicane and others....
Don’t know when the photos of Valencia were taken but I was there in February this year and people were walking it and enjoying the harbour view, it’s a great place to go and walk!
I'm really happy that people are making mods of these circuits in games like: Assetto Corsa, rFactor 1 and 2 and Automobilista. I really enjoy racing on the 60's and 70's circuits a lot with the old F1 cars.
The Monza track they use today is essentially the original track - with some modifications. The banked sections were added in the 1950s - 30 years after the circuit first opened - and was used for only a few GPs. It's probably more famous these days because it was used in the 1966 film "Grand Prix".
A couple years ago I visited the Estoril Circuit where Senna got his first ever victory in Formula One... it was amazing. Not abandoned but certainly in decadence now. It’s a very cool area of Portugal and the track layout was quite interesting (very similar to the the Catalunya’s). I presume the problem was it being too narrow for the modern f1 cars. It was great though back in the day...
This is a great video, sad to see so many tracks lost to time. Get in touch with a TV company for £20k of fundsing and we'll do a road trip filming at old tracks around Europe for 3 weeks, you, Sean, me and Chaz. Then sell it to Sky Sports ;) It's a great idea! Also #toyotaTwing at 0:55
A feature of the Rheims weekend in the '50s & '60s was a 12 hour sports car race run from midnight Saturday to noon Sunday with the F1 race starting later in the day. Many top drivers did both.
Great series. As far as Hockenheim goes, I believe there was an even longer track originally that was shaped like a bizarre polygon. The old loop fit inside it.
There were two high-speed Indy Car races on the Monza oval in the late '50s. There were a couple of WSC endurance races in the mid-60s on the full course with a chicane at the entrance to each banking.
India and Korea have been tried reasonably recently......within the last ten years......they both failed to stay on the calendar for various reasons. I imagine a Dutch race would be a complete success because of a certain driver.
domba 727 Assen would probably lead to a procession. it works great for motoGP, but It's layout might not make for great races. Zandvoort is a mere shadow of its former self, but I do think it will be the better track for F1
Turkey Istanbul! That was a track you could race and over take on. I miss that track. Button and Hamilton! Vetted and Webber! Th back straight the the chicane then the start finish straight and right into a left right chicane.
Great video and great memories there Alex. Especially for those of us who are a bit older. I don't know whether you're aware but the Adelaide GP circuit was revived in 1999 and continues to operate in a slightly shortened version to this day. It hosts the opening round of the Australian Supercar Championship, usually around the last week of February each year. The old Longford circuit in Tasmania used to host the Tasman Series for Formula 1 drivers and cars in the early to mid 1960s. That track has had a highway bypass built through the middle of it, but features like The Flying Mile and The Viaduct still exist.
Valencia was a street track so most of it was a temporary but the purpose-build part is indeed pretty dilapidated. Seems like a beautiful city, actually visiting it in less than 2 weeks but this is surely not one of the more nice area's. Maybe they are hoping to see a return of F1 some day, or they will just redevelop the whole area?
The old Monza racetrack actually is used ones time per year during the Monza Rally Show, where rally cars must to complete 1 lap must go in the modern both old racetracks (in this one are placed some gincanes and 2 nhairpin bends). Ps: Monza is placed in Lombardia, central-norther region, not near to Genoa (Liguria!). We haven't the sea! lol ;)
I actually kinda of like the Korean and Indian GP circuits. I also like the Valencia Street Circuit. I think it is a shame to see them not be on the calender but at least the Korean and Indian circuits are still somewhat used.
The funny part about the Indian GP track- Buddh Circuit is that the creators aren't financially much concerned. They are a big construction firm of India JP Infrastructure. They have also built a 100k capacity cricket stadium, which isn't used for any major cricket matches. 😂
Great video, really nice work. I live on the Channel Islands and every time I drive through France I mean to visit the old Reims buildings, must do it one year. However I have visited Monza on a weekday when it was so quiet you could walk the track and the banking section is unreal. You can't believe they would race there at such high speeds. Not an F1 circuit but one of my favorite old circuits to visit is Brooklands. An incredible place with amazing history. Unfortunately like you show with other tracks on your video the circuit is pretty bad in places and most of it was smashed to make way for car parks and offices. The one point I would make is a lot of the modern Grand Prix's drop of the calendar due to money. India, and Valencia were in terrible debt (the Indian race was in debt to the tune of millions of dollars and just couldn't recover) and due to the terrible mess they found themselves in they were unable to keep the races going. Most modern venues are unable to recoup the millions they spend building the place and then further millions paying the F1 organisers to hold a race as well. If what I read is to be believed, apart from Monaco every single race on the calendar loses money on running an F1 event.
F1 would be cool at brands hatch in its current form, it would be cool to see although no overtaking would happen. Also they'd change all the run off areas and tarmac everything which would ruin it, which is why I don't like Silverstone.
I think what makes most of us fond over these older circuits is mostly the fact alot of the older tracks had character whereas most tracks nowadays remind me of the concrete cookie cutter multipurpose stadiums in the states from the 60s-90s whereas the older circuits like Spa, Solitude and Old Hockenheim were the Jewel Box parks of before. I look at modern tracks and I generally see, endless runoff, chicanes, overtake zones and some tracks share the same features look at Yas Marina and COTA they both have a very tight left turn to a long straightaway, not all modern tracks are bad or horrible there are good ones like Singapore but most are too similar to my taste I understand safety being an issue but as for the overtakes,, this may be controversial but in my opinion FIA has turned what was once a form of art into something else. As for changing older tracks its a hit or miss Spa's redesign in the 80s was a hit whereas the 2002 Hockenheim and 2010 Silverstone are a miss.
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I would, considering you forgot to talk about quite a lot of old tracks. I mean, seriously? No mentions of South Africa, Sweden, Netherlands, Brands Hatch, Portugal or Argentina? Bit dissapointing really. I'd say, use this list to provide more info, if you're ever gonna make a part 2: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Formula_One_circuits
Two come to mind. Magny-Cours and one of my favourites Adelaide. These are two the rarest circuits in racing games as well. I believe the f1 game on the psone waasy back in 1995 was the last time I saw it in a f1 game for the console. GT: Sport and Project Cars 2 should definitely add this one to the roster.....and F1 should return to the F1 Calender.
Tracks I'd like to see formula one revisit: Watkins Glenn, the long-time home of the US Grand Prix. The teams didn't like the facilities, the jet-setters didn't like the lack of big city nightlife, but it was a classic track. And still in use for everything from club and vintage racing to NASCAR and Indy Cars. Die Nordschleif der Nurburgring. The full 14.7 mile track, not the decerebrate south circuit in use now. If any track could be called the proper place for a Formula One circuit, that's it. 178 corners, every kind of driving/cornering situation imaginable and a challenge for man and machine. It was abandoned as an F1 venue after the 1976 race, when Nikki Lauda was nearly killed in a fiery crash.
I completely agree about Watkins Glen. The track produces incredible racing for IndyCar, Nascar, and IMSA. Would love to see the full 14.7 mile Nurburgring in use for F1, but the length would limit the amount of laps, which would cause fans attending to have a very limited amount of viewing the race. Would be great for tv viewing though
Bring Back Adelaide! It still gets used for V8 supercars. I think you'll find that the track on the old Hockenhiem was ripped up in parts, which sucks because they could have used it for historic events.
Wait a min... The old tracks that aren't on the calendar anymore are mainly because they couldn't afford Bernie's extortionate fee's, not because they didnt provide good race's. I've had a dive into it all a couple of years ago to see why top tracks have disappeared, and what I've learnt is they couldnt afford to host the races... Nevertheless great video
You missed the old Australian track, Adelaide. A smaller version of is still used for races in the V8Supercars series. That was a GREAT track. With some GREAT overtakes and championship winning/loosing moments.
You left out the old Kyalami Grand Prix Circuit in South Africa which also has a lot of F1 history, the old East London circuit also in South Africa raced in the 50s and 60s. You left out the Dutch Grand Prix at Zandvoort, Fuji, the Phoenix street circuit in the U.S (with the memorable Senna and Alesi battle in 1990.) great video, love the shots from Reims and the old Parabolica curve at Monza
It's my understanding Hockehenheim was reconfigured because of safety concerns. Specifically how little infrastructure there was in the forest section, and how fast medical cars and ambulances could get to a crash scene.
Grew up in the 70s,and back then Sweden had a F1 track called Anderstorp,back then it was easy accessible for us fans,you could go in to the pits etc. Between 74-78 I think,remember seeing that old 6 wheeled Tyrell,and of course the iconic Lotus Great drivers back then to,Nikki lauda,fitipaldi etc
Ashwin Divakar I am so glad to have visited the Indian GP twice in its brief 3 year history. The track itself is one of my favourites, and patriotism has got nothing to do with it. From the pit grandstands, near turn 1, a total of 30-35 seconds of car view is possible, which is quite great.
The American Le Mans/IndyCar street circuit was once held here in Baltimore, MD for only 2012-14 but was soon discontinued. The problem was it's location in the downtown area (the busiest part at that) which caused a bottleneck of inconvenience for local business and the tourist altogether. The location was just bad but if it were held uptown (Druid Hill Park) which would have been the most ideal place while also give access to visitors to visit downtown 1.5 miles away -- adjacent to the I-83 freeway, it would have worked and still be held today. Maybe someday in the next decade.
Shame they ripped up the pavement at Hokenheim to prevent it being used once they shortened the track. I'd love to see Jerez back on the calendar. Have it swing back and forth between there and Barcelona (and remove that lame chicane right before the start/finish straight at Barça) And Paul Ricard/Mangy Cours alternating for the French Grand Prix. Oh and Estoril! Great little track in Portugal
AlexZAfRo I miss Indy. I used to go to the USGP at Indy. Sadly we can't go to Texas because it's too far and too expensive but I hope we can come back again.
Agree. Aida , despite the low average speed was intressting. But, one concern is the two straight lines it has would be too short for today's f1 with DRS due to speed they reach and the fact that they coming from so far back with big speed differential too pass. But then again the curve leading to the back straight was very good to me as it really paid you back or it penalized you in acceleration or top speed.
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I don't get you, on Valencia you say that you couldn't over take, people didn't attend the venue, it was basically boring but you twice said in 30 second it was send to see it go? What's your point?
Tiziano Niero because of all the wasted time and effort of getting the track going. Plus it’s better than some of the current tracks
Did you forget about Imola?
Valencia deserved to be abandoned
New Hochenheim is infinitely better than the old circuit. the only track Tilke got right
Old Monza and Brooklands were death bowls
Rheims rhymes with reams doesn't rhyme with rhymes
Pnyongpong and Bhud were dire
Baku is an absolute joke. Needs to go.
Yas Marina needs reconfiguration, it does not work as it is.
The old O Ring with Remus and the Bosch kurve was epic. Wonderful memories of standing on the entry to Rindt watching Villeneuve leading in the Ferrari
Mont Juic was awesome would love to see that come back
Fuji deserves a spot
Imola is a great track but wouldn't work for modern F1 in much the same way Paul Ricard doesn't either.
F1 GP tracks i've been to to watch F1 GP live starting with 1975 British GP
Silverstone, Brands, Donnington
Paul Ricard, Zolder, Zeltweg O-ring, Zandvort
Spa
Monza
Adelaide
Albert Park
Interlagos
Was there African GP at Kyalami?
The fall of the Valencia street circuit probably had as much to do with the financial crisis in Spain as it did with anything else...
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The abandoning of the Valencia circuit happened because the f1 was dealing with corrupt polititians.
looks like a mini version of Monaco.
gosportjamie no it is why Valencia is abandoned now is basically the president of Valencia pay the F1 but not all that is the problem now we continue to pay the f1
@@xavimontagud1918 además Alonso ya se retiró, cual es el negocio de hacer 2 GP en España?
I miss Valencia in the games, the real life races were awful but the games were very good
Mclaren Nimbus It was so fun throwing the car round the corner
i kinda agree was a fun track to drive
What they did to Hockenheim should be classed as a violation of the Geneva conventions.
ahaha
Absolutely.
A Crime against humanity.
The old Hockenheim circuit, in my humble opinion, was one of the greatest circuits in history.
I loved the races there and also loved playing F1 games on the old track. The new one has no personality...It's just plain dull.
Imola would be awesome.
Istanbul would be really great to have back.
Magny Cours, didn't provide amazing racing but was pretty high speed.
imola was ok but not sure if it would provide good racing in current f1 cars
Isnt Paul Ricard back this year?
AUmarcus it is
Magny cours was actually a really well designed race track; the trouble was that the surface was billiard smooth so the tyres just never seemed to wear out. That's why it very often a race that relied on strategy; I.E. Schumacher's 4 stop win in 2004. The 1999, 2000 and 2002 races there were in my view pretty action packed.
Imola was always one of my favorite tracks. Istanbul was a good track.
F1 needs to get back the Portugal GP , on Estoril or on AIA (Algarve Internacional)
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Estoril is too small
This comment aged like wine. Algarve is back in the schedule yooooo.
I miss the Istanbul circuit to be honest.
totally agree, great track
It was one of the best by Hermann Tilke
Yes yes. That series of turns was great. Lefts.
Oooooo turn 8
Interesting, lot of people seem to really like this one but I never grew to like it and I on the other hand think it is one of the worst by Tilke.
My favorite track was the Nurburgring
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Song Star yeah that was lots of run
U mean nürburgring?😂
the problem with the nürburgring is the width the track is fairly thin at alot of spots which would make over taking quite hard
Witch one the track on the mountains or the track were they raced in 2006
2:16 that is the kind of circuit Formula E needs!
Tomobiwan06 AVFC they will fly lol
Here is a little known one! The Australian Grand Prix was held in Longford on a public road in 1959 and 1965. 20 Minutes from where I live!
What about the Adelaide Grand prix, Melbourne took over.
Sad, these old tracks had character and charm, the new "autodromes" are completely flat, corporate friendly and cookie cutter generic af.
Great job mate! The Indian Grand Prix for sure. I drove that track on F1 2011 such a fun track to drive!
The Monza Oval is interesting to me because it hosted a race in which Formula 1 cars went head to head with Indy cars of the day. It occurred prior to the mid-engined cars took over both series and the Indy cars ran away and hid from the Formula 1 cars, particularly in the first year. No surprise really as they were designed for ovals with big Offenhauser engines. I wonder how the Indy cars would have fared on the Monza road course?
Old Hockenheim wasn't abandoned, it was destroyed. It's just a forrest now.
never knew that
You are SO right about the V10 noise at the old Hockenheim circuit. You could hear those cars 10 miles away and they would scream around there.
Am i the only one who misses Fuji ?
Fuji yes cirtut
New Fuji is a bit shit
i kinda liked it, but the rain was the part for me that made great racing there aha
Fuji is not abandoned! The F1 left, but the track is stil in use.
No and the older Fuji is better
i would like to see the South African GP at Kyalami Curcuit return to F1. I would also like to see an F1 race in Scandinavia, we had the Swedish GP in the 1970s, but it would be cool to have a modern day GP race.
Kyalami has actually been aquired by Porche, and it has been renovated. It's basically just plug and play
with a couple of Scandinavians in F1, there should deffo be a racing there imo!
I think they want to do a race in copenhagen if I'm not mistaken.
A city circuit in København, Denmark would be really cool.
There was the keimola circuit in finland back in the day, interesting track. Now it's completely gone though, only thing left is a radio tower :(
I hope kayalami ( the old South Africa f1 track) gets put back in, a couple of years ago Porsche SA bought it and revitalized it. It is currently holding many types of races, from v8 super cars to f3000 to normal track days. ( I might be biased because it is literally 10 km from my house)
Edit: also the track is brilliant, a few weeks ago I entered a track day there, it’s so much fun with 950bhp and awd from my r33 gtr.
My top 3 is Imola, Adelaide and Magny Cours. Buenos Aires grand prix was also a great track. Loved it.
They need to redo the Monza Oval and have NASCAR run there.
Jonathan M. This is a crazy idea. There is too much banking and the course was built in concrete so there isn’t grip for stock cars
Jonathan M. Also include Reims and old Hockenheim.
Definitely Imola, Adelaide and Estoril. Many nights watching those GPs and racing on GP2 - those were the days!
And now Malaysia :(
Noooo i hope not !
Crucial_US don worry track was use for motorgp gran prix
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Mr. GDM I forgot about MotoGP uses this track
AlexZAfRo great video as usual
I used to race bikes at Aintree an Ex F1 track. It has a long fast back straight but sadly now the rest of the track on the other side of the melling road has gone. It's still a great track for bikes, very fast.
Isn't Reims on public roads? Also how about Clermont-Ferrand? Kyalami in South Africa. Jarama in Spain. The old Spa circuit and Zolder in Belgium. Oporto in Portugal. Anderstorp in Sweden. St. Jovite and Mosport(still active)in Canada. The old Zandvoort circuit in Netherlands. Zeltweg and the old Osterreichring in Austria. Imola in Italy. Aintree in England. Interlagos in Brazil. Bremgarten in Switzerland.
Miatacrosser Zandvoort will return
That looks like a Grand Prix Legends server play list!!
I like how tracks have evolved, if you look at old tracks they’re mainly long straights with few corners (just the layouts, not the history/beauty)
Indianapolis and Laguna Seca, two American tracks that need to out back onto the formula 1 schedule. Another track that should be on the formula 1 schedule is Bathurst in Australia. What a beautiful track that is.
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David Brackin I watched that event, here on RUclips, LoL. That was a great event, it was wonderful to see an F1 on the Bathurst track. It’s however sad that the incredibly strict safety regs, eliminate some beautiful tracks and makes some very boring tracks. I do understand the need for such regs, I just find saddening that more often then not, it makes for boring racing.
Bathurst would kill an f1 car
There's a race track being built in Northern Ireland called Lake Torrent as far as I'm aware. It's about 3.6km long and is built to bring in world race events.. I doubt that it will ever host a F1 GP, even though the layout seems pretty interesting, but one can dream that there's always potential for new tracks around the world to become part of the F1 calendar.
Parts of the Rouen-Essartes track are still used to this day, and Rheims (pronounced "reem" or "reems" with a soft s at the end) is being seriously looked at for being brought back into use, at least partly. Rheims, like Rouen-Essartes, was also a public road course as Spa-Francorchamps was and, most famously, the Le Mans-La Sarthe circuit still is and it was largely this reason that caused it to close. While the track was closed to the public for racing a number of towns and villages on the route were pretty much cut off, though the safety of the track, as a lot of the tracks at the time, was questionable with their being a lot of very large crashes over its history...
Awesome. Love a good geeky F1 vid. I miss the old Hockenheim like you'd never believe and the German GP was always my favourite on the calender as I loved those long run-outs into the countryside. It was also an awesome track to play on the PS2....
I hate to say it but Monaco is the most boring track on the calender, especially since the Azerbaijan GP came along. Probably better back in the day when the cars weren't as wide as the cars around today.
Can't see why the Hockenheim track can't be remapped to the way it was. The Azerbaijan and Russian GP both have huge straights and are absolutely awesome tracks.
I miss the San Marino GP.
Monaco and Catalunya track....... Catalunya track is so boring that if a person in front doing a flying lap 2-3 seconds per lap faster than the rest.....it will end up with huge gap , sometimes the gaps between no 1 and 2 reached more than 30+second!!......
@makadeni123 Monaco would still be good for a time trial competition, given that its sharp turns pose a challenge to driving
It's a different thing. If you want endless overtaking watch indy
bring back korea, omg that circuit had so so so much potential it's honestly a massive indictment on berney's last few years in charge that it was taken off the calendar.
imagine if the whole project got completed with it's marina and the hotel too, absolute spectacle of a circuit for television.
The old Östereichring wasn't bad. I actually got to walk the old section of the circuit which isn't used anymore and it's basically a parking space for all the teams' lorries when the grand prix is happening.
that's really cool. at monza some of the f1 teams stuff was left on the old track too if i remember correctly!
You cant compare the österreichring with monza. At that Time the österreichring was the fastest Track in the whole world. Monza was fast but not so fast then austria.... that was the Magic there. With the Bosch chicane and others....
Don’t know when the photos of Valencia were taken but I was there in February this year and people were walking it and enjoying the harbour view, it’s a great place to go and walk!
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if sepang circuit in malaysia becomes like this swear ill start crying :(
SOMAN POTHUVAL sepang was use for motorgp now they are not die
Sepang sucks
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Rafael Laurel Indonesia guy lol
don't worry, Sepang is still used for a lot of other racing events that is not F1
I'm really happy that people are making mods of these circuits in games like: Assetto Corsa, rFactor 1 and 2 and Automobilista. I really enjoy racing on the 60's and 70's circuits a lot with the old F1 cars.
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No problem. It was a good video. I'm keeping the legacy of these circuits alive in my F1 World Championship Series I do on Assetto Corsa.
TURKISH grand prix that was an awesome race track
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The Monza track they use today is essentially the original track - with some modifications. The banked sections were added in the 1950s - 30 years after the circuit first opened - and was used for only a few GPs. It's probably more famous these days because it was used in the 1966 film "Grand Prix".
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Valencia was an awful track. Ugly, bland and characterless. No loss whatsoever.
Agreed
With the exception of Webber's crash and Schuies last podium. Complete wastr of f1history.
Can we abandon Bahrain and Abudahbi asap as well please
A couple years ago I visited the Estoril Circuit where Senna got his first ever victory in Formula One... it was amazing. Not abandoned but certainly in decadence now. It’s a very cool area of Portugal and the track layout was quite interesting (very similar to the the Catalunya’s). I presume the problem was it being too narrow for the modern f1 cars. It was great though back in the day...
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This is a great video, sad to see so many tracks lost to time.
Get in touch with a TV company for £20k of fundsing and we'll do a road trip filming at old tracks around Europe for 3 weeks, you, Sean, me and Chaz. Then sell it to Sky Sports ;)
It's a great idea!
Also #toyotaTwing at 0:55
A feature of the Rheims weekend in the '50s & '60s was a 12 hour sports car race run from midnight Saturday to noon Sunday with the F1 race starting later in the day. Many top drivers did both.
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AlexZAfRo please do teams you miss or countries u think need a Grand Prix.
Also for tracks I want back Kyalami & European Gp at Brands Hatch
Top underrated teams
Do some F1 what if scenarios
AlexZAfRo top 10 F1 teams we exspected more from
What is the long term future of Silverstone in your opinion?
Great series. As far as Hockenheim goes, I believe there was an even longer track originally that was shaped like a bizarre polygon. The old loop fit inside it.
The old South African grand prix was the best in my opinion. At the kyalami track
There were two high-speed Indy Car races on the Monza oval in the late '50s. There were a couple of WSC endurance races in the mid-60s on the full course with a chicane at the entrance to each banking.
I really liked driving around Valencia in the F1 Games.
Yes, a very good video. Very sad to see some of these classic and historical venyes abandoned.
Indian, Korean and Netherland GP would be interesting for the F1 calendar.
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Ramon Samaches i really miss india. For me it was amazing corcuit but korea had amazing plans for future but unfortonetly... Yes 😢
netherlands needs one with the rise of verstappen!
AlexZAfRo yeah but no amsterdam street. Assen and zandvoort are amazing circuits
India and Korea have been tried reasonably recently......within the last ten years......they both failed to stay on the calendar for various reasons. I imagine a Dutch race would be a complete success because of a certain driver.
domba 727 Assen would probably lead to a procession. it works great for motoGP, but It's layout might not make for great races. Zandvoort is a mere shadow of its former self, but I do think it will be the better track for F1
I love to see Imola back in F1,or Magny Cours,or Estoril! Some proper racing circuits with a proper history behind it
Turkey Istanbul! That was a track you could race and over take on. I miss that track.
Button and Hamilton!
Vetted and Webber! Th back straight the the chicane then the start finish straight and right into a left right chicane.
Great video and great memories there Alex. Especially for those of us who are a bit older. I don't know whether you're aware but the Adelaide GP circuit was revived in 1999 and continues to operate in a slightly shortened version to this day. It hosts the opening round of the Australian Supercar Championship, usually around the last week of February each year. The old Longford circuit in Tasmania used to host the Tasman Series for Formula 1 drivers and cars in the early to mid 1960s. That track has had a highway bypass built through the middle of it, but features like The Flying Mile and The Viaduct still exist.
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Estoril GP - Portugal 😢
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Diogo Moreira Legendary track, first Senna win on formula 1 with the 97T.
YES Bring it back
Verdade, apesar de ainda ser usado custa ver que perdeu a glória dos Grande Prêmios
O que fizeram na Curva do Tanque é crime
I liked the old Hockenheimring. One of the few full speed tracks back then. It was fun in the F1 games of the time :D
Valencia was a street track so most of it was a temporary but the purpose-build part is indeed pretty dilapidated.
Seems like a beautiful city, actually visiting it in less than 2 weeks but this is surely not one of the more nice area's.
Maybe they are hoping to see a return of F1 some day, or they will just redevelop the whole area?
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The old Monza racetrack actually is used ones time per year during the Monza Rally Show, where rally cars must to complete 1 lap must go in the modern both old racetracks (in this one are placed some gincanes and 2 nhairpin bends).
Ps: Monza is placed in Lombardia, central-norther region, not near to Genoa (Liguria!). We haven't the sea! lol ;)
I actually kinda of like the Korean and Indian GP circuits. I also like the Valencia Street Circuit. I think it is a shame to see them not be on the calender but at least the Korean and Indian circuits are still somewhat used.
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The funny part about the Indian GP track- Buddh Circuit is that the creators aren't financially much concerned. They are a big construction firm of India JP Infrastructure. They have also built a 100k capacity cricket stadium, which isn't used for any major cricket matches. 😂
Great video, really nice work. I live on the Channel Islands and every time I drive through France I mean to visit the old Reims buildings, must do it one year. However I have visited Monza on a weekday when it was so quiet you could walk the track and the banking section is unreal. You can't believe they would race there at such high speeds. Not an F1 circuit but one of my favorite old circuits to visit is Brooklands. An incredible place with amazing history. Unfortunately like you show with other tracks on your video the circuit is pretty bad in places and most of it was smashed to make way for car parks and offices. The one point I would make is a lot of the modern Grand Prix's drop of the calendar due to money. India, and Valencia were in terrible debt (the Indian race was in debt to the tune of millions of dollars and just couldn't recover) and due to the terrible mess they found themselves in they were unable to keep the races going. Most modern venues are unable to recoup the millions they spend building the place and then further millions paying the F1 organisers to hold a race as well. If what I read is to be believed, apart from Monaco every single race on the calendar loses money on running an F1 event.
Brands hatch is a better track than silverstone
i agree but probably not for modern day f1 cars
AlexZAfRo fair point sad it’s so small
The old Silverstone was such a nice track, I can't imagine why they made the Mickey Mouse track that it currently is
Donington should have had the British Grand Prix when it had the chance and the money. Even Mallory Park is better than Silverstone.
F1 would be cool at brands hatch in its current form, it would be cool to see although no overtaking would happen. Also they'd change all the run off areas and tarmac everything which would ruin it, which is why I don't like Silverstone.
I think what makes most of us fond over these older circuits is mostly the fact alot of the older tracks had character whereas most tracks nowadays remind me of the concrete cookie cutter multipurpose stadiums in the states from the 60s-90s whereas the older circuits like Spa, Solitude and Old Hockenheim were the Jewel Box parks of before.
I look at modern tracks and I generally see, endless runoff, chicanes, overtake zones and some tracks share the same features look at Yas Marina and COTA they both have a very tight left turn to a long straightaway, not all modern tracks are bad or horrible there are good ones like Singapore but most are too similar to my taste I understand safety being an issue but as for the overtakes,, this may be controversial but in my opinion FIA has turned what was once a form of art into something else.
As for changing older tracks its a hit or miss Spa's redesign in the 80s was a hit whereas the 2002 Hockenheim and 2010 Silverstone are a miss.
I would like to see Donington Park come back in.
I'd like to see Estoril added back to the calendar. No reason it couldn't be. It's a fantastic track.
OK, pretty good but please limit the "um, yeah" to only three per vid.
I love Valencia. That was one of my favourite, F1 tracks, after Nurbugring and Istanbul
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AlexZAfRo My home country South Africa in the 1970+ South African Grand Prix. Please. thanks.
Can you make a video about the MotoGP ?
AlexZAfRo you forget about mountjuic in spain. It was in a mountain near Barcelona and there was some crazy races there
I would, considering you forgot to talk about quite a lot of old tracks.
I mean, seriously? No mentions of South Africa, Sweden, Netherlands, Brands Hatch, Portugal or Argentina?
Bit dissapointing really.
I'd say, use this list to provide more info, if you're ever gonna make a part 2:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Formula_One_circuits
I'm sure REIMS is pronounced REEMS and not RYMES.
Two come to mind. Magny-Cours and one of my favourites Adelaide. These are two the rarest circuits in racing games as well. I believe the f1 game on the psone waasy back in 1995 was the last time I saw it in a f1 game for the console.
GT: Sport and Project Cars 2 should definitely add this one to the roster.....and F1 should return to the F1 Calender.
Tracks I'd like to see formula one revisit:
Watkins Glenn, the long-time home of the US Grand Prix. The teams didn't like the facilities, the jet-setters didn't like the lack of big city nightlife, but it was a classic track. And still in use for everything from club and vintage racing to NASCAR and Indy Cars.
Die Nordschleif der Nurburgring. The full 14.7 mile track, not the decerebrate south circuit in use now. If any track could be called the proper place for a Formula One circuit, that's it. 178 corners, every kind of driving/cornering situation imaginable and a challenge for man and machine. It was abandoned as an F1 venue after the 1976 race, when Nikki Lauda was nearly killed in a fiery crash.
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I completely agree about Watkins Glen. The track produces incredible racing for IndyCar, Nascar, and IMSA. Would love to see the full 14.7 mile Nurburgring in use for F1, but the length would limit the amount of laps, which would cause fans attending to have a very limited amount of viewing the race. Would be great for tv viewing though
Imola but with the old Tamburello corner, (just make a proper run off!), Donnington!,
Bring back Watkins Glen! Austin Texas is to far from my house! And I'm banned from Canada!
Why are u banned from Canada, if u don’t mind me asking
Let's get Zandvoort on the calendar again. It's a great track, I basically live there and it has such a rich history!
Lucky lad eh
One track. Two words. Laguna Seca.
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Too many elevation changes. It's amazing for touring cars though.
Brunii! If DTM was to ever come to America it would be a great track for DTM
F1 never went to Laguna Seca - it should have...
itd be like hungry, no passing
Bring Back Adelaide! It still gets used for V8 supercars. I think you'll find that the track on the old Hockenhiem was ripped up in parts, which sucks because they could have used it for historic events.
Wait a min... The old tracks that aren't on the calendar anymore are mainly because they couldn't afford Bernie's extortionate fee's, not because they didnt provide good race's. I've had a dive into it all a couple of years ago to see why top tracks have disappeared, and what I've learnt is they couldnt afford to host the races... Nevertheless great video
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You missed the old Australian track, Adelaide. A smaller version of is still used for races in the V8Supercars series.
That was a GREAT track. With some GREAT overtakes and championship winning/loosing moments.
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You left out the old Kyalami Grand Prix Circuit in South Africa which also has a lot of F1 history, the old East London circuit also in South Africa raced in the 50s and 60s. You left out the Dutch Grand Prix at Zandvoort, Fuji, the Phoenix street circuit in the U.S (with the memorable Senna and Alesi battle in 1990.) great video, love the shots from Reims and the old Parabolica curve at Monza
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It's my understanding Hockehenheim was reconfigured because of safety concerns. Specifically how little infrastructure there was in the forest section, and how fast medical cars and ambulances could get to a crash scene.
I've been to Reims you can do about 130mph along it in a road car
Grew up in the 70s,and back then Sweden had a F1 track called Anderstorp,back then it was easy accessible for us fans,you could go in to the pits etc.
Between 74-78 I think,remember seeing that old 6 wheeled Tyrell,and of course the iconic Lotus
Great drivers back then to,Nikki lauda,fitipaldi etc
Australia @ Adelaide GP not Melbourne GP
That’s a really good documentary man. Good job and thank you.
San Marino was a great track
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Theyve destroyed most of the traditonal circuits that are still in use.
Very interesting video.
appreciate it thank you :)
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Vaibhav Vasudevan Maybe
He watches F1 vids on RUclips during his plentiful free time away from his job at Mercedes.
Jelsick and uses his real name on youtube 😂
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the indian gp was a good circuit
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Just realized, thanks to your video, I walked on a F1 circuit once. Without even knowing back then...
Thanks
Where
I'm from indy, so Indianapolis for sure.
One armed man for a track here in Alaska! Careful of the frost heaves and moose! Yeah, that could end badly.
There is no racing circuit anywhere like the Nurburgring Nordsliefe
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3:06 The driver who is walking to the right is the Mexican Pedro Rodríguez de la Vega?
Buddh International Circuit is stil there and it's still used. A good F1 venue. It should be considered for 2019.
Stefaan De Clerck no. Typical Tilke track without any flow. Give me Buenos Aires instead.
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Jordi Kerkhoven Haha. I actually like the Herman Tilke typicality- Buddh, COTA, Sakhir
Imola is just iconic and Stil in good shape
I miss Indian GP
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Ewww...indian...
haziqfsx91 India is the best country in the world
No
Ashwin Divakar I am so glad to have visited the Indian GP twice in its brief 3 year history.
The track itself is one of my favourites, and patriotism has got nothing to do with it. From the pit grandstands, near turn 1, a total of 30-35 seconds of car view is possible, which is quite great.
The American Le Mans/IndyCar street circuit was once held here in Baltimore, MD for only 2012-14 but was soon discontinued. The problem was it's location in the downtown area (the busiest part at that) which caused a bottleneck of inconvenience for local business and the tourist altogether. The location was just bad but if it were held uptown (Druid Hill Park) which would have been the most ideal place while also give access to visitors to visit downtown 1.5 miles away -- adjacent to the I-83 freeway, it would have worked and still be held today. Maybe someday in the next decade.
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Kyalami South Africa
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Shame they ripped up the pavement at Hokenheim to prevent it being used once they shortened the track.
I'd love to see Jerez back on the calendar. Have it swing back and forth between there and Barcelona (and remove that lame chicane right before the start/finish straight at Barça) And Paul Ricard/Mangy Cours alternating for the French Grand Prix.
Oh and Estoril! Great little track in Portugal
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I miss the old Hockenheimring and Istanbul, also kinda miss Indianapolis
i really think Indianapolis should return
AlexZAfRo I miss Indy. I used to go to the USGP at Indy. Sadly we can't go to Texas because it's too far and too expensive but I hope we can come back again.
I actually have always hated the Indianapolis track but love the COTA in Austin.
its nice to hear a young man like yourself be interest in the history of racing
Portugal Estoril track 👍👍
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The Pacific GP at T1 Aida circuit was interesting. The layout looked like an outline of the starship Enterprise.
Agree. Aida , despite the low average speed was intressting. But, one concern is the two straight lines it has would be too short for today's f1 with DRS due to speed they reach and the fact that they coming from so far back with big speed differential too pass. But then again the curve leading to the back straight was very good to me as it really paid you back or it penalized you in acceleration or top speed.