The worst part is when some parents, teachers or coaches use the concept of "born with a talent" to encourage one child .. they're unconsciously discouraging the other children .
My parents told me I had to be born with natural talent in order to learn how to draw well . I believed them . I learnt how to draw as an adult . I am still not a perfect drawer. But I went from drawing stick figures to drawing actual pictures. I hate it when people say natural talents. It's wrong .
‘The paradox of excellence is that it’s built upon the foundation of necessary failure’. I think that this is very true, I remind myself of this every day, when I practise playing my guitar.
I firmly believe that a person can be trained and can achieve skills he wants to develop. If animals and birds are trained by human beings, why can't a human being develop a skill he want. I hate when I hear a sentence like we should accept the fact that we are not gifted with that skills and should not pursue particular thing. ANY PASSIONATE SKILLS CAN BE DEVELOPED. Parenting makes a huge difference.
How well you can do something is controlled by genes.ALL upper human limits are genetically inherited, hence why chimpanzees dont play classical music, or chess, despite having the basic physiology to do both.There are inherent characteristics that determine the tasks ALL animals, including humans are suited to doing.Just because 2 people look similar, doesn't mean anything about their mind or body works the same.
Well, many a person spent their whole life developing some skill passionately, yet in relative terms they never became "good". There will always be others who are superior, alongside those who are average. Most people will never be other than average, regardless of anything that is done or tried.
mostly because those people spent years learning incorrectly i live in johannesburg in south africa ,many kids and young adults would like to be rappers others are good others are not because of criticism ,the guys who've been rapping for 4 years can't even rhyme perfect rhymes or do nursery rhymes and are either too loud or too low & mostly are off beat and flow is bad the good ones are willing to study hip hop to read the lyrics of other professional rappers to analyze to study poetry & more@@rivenz6
They are people who are born with specific qualities, which can make them succeed at a quicker rate. They are people who have good memory, great hand coordination, and they have incredible focus. I still think practice is more important, you have to keep practicing if you want to get good at what you want to do. You can have a natural talent but still make a ton of mistakes, that's why it's so important to practice at a consistent basis.
The thing is that those "specific qualities" are just that: Qualities. There is no "talent" for basketball or playing piano. There are only specific qualities e.g. great hand coordination that just happen to be of importance to do these things. You can't be naturally gifted for something that doesn't appear in nature. The whole concept of "art" is made up.
The only thing that determines talents is really physical attributes. Height is a huge factor in a lot of sports. It's not everything, you still have to practice to get good at all the skills in that sport, but height might make those skills easier to learn.
Corrosive? Well I, for one, think that the very idea of talent is a toxic idea, too. It gives people the idea that if they aren't innately super good at anything, they might as well give up doing anything else than bullshit, robot-worthy jobs, because they don't have "the Talent™". It also give them an excuse and consider creation as way more monolithic and deterministic than it really is. They look at an artist and say "Yeah but it's (kinda) easy, THEY have a talent for that!". No it's not. It's not easy. It's not fast. It's not even pleasant. It was probably a very rough journey with lots of disillusionment, despair and soul-crushing efforts. If anything, talent is the ability to love the craft IN SPITE of how little gratification you can take from it. Talent is basically "tenacity with or without results". Of course you will also need a good ability to criticize your own work, or else you won't ever be able to improve. That can be seen as talent too. But people need to stop believing that talent is just a hard cap that you have or don't have.
people determine it's" talent" because it makes it easier for them not to try. I am bad at many things, but I know it's because I don't try hard enough at those things, I don't care about those things, and in my heart, I find those things useless to my journey to success(like directions I'll use Siri, languages I'll use a translator, and math I'll use a calculator). I think people just got to own up to why they are actually bad at things. sometimes it's not about the hard work, but about the love or the mindset to learn the things you are bad at.
@@chocolateicecream6995 I think its a lot to do with passion also if your passionate about something your willing to put more hours and try much harder. So I just tell people that say everything is a talent that they are just passionate, more passionate, and that they should look for their passions.
@@iceman4094 Good way to think about it. Like, some guy could like playing the guitar, and he could've played it for years, but he never takes it seriously. A beginner that is very ambitious and develops a strong passion for the guitar will develop 'faster' simply because he's putting more hours within a smaller frame of time. He's not talented, he just has the mindset and passion to develop his skills.
You won’t reach whatever potential you have if you happen to think there is a ‘hard cap’ to your abilities. That’s true. But there nonetheless IS a hard cap. So let’s not confuse the mindset required to maximise an individual’s potential, with the idea that mindset makes every individual’s ACTUAL potential equal to everyone else’s.
@@plentyofouts That's true, there IS a hard cap and nature, as always, doesn't distribute luck fairly. But the problem with the talent paradigm is it creates reasons for people to downplay the hard work of so-called talented people, as if everything they achieved is just "because they are lucky enough to be talented in the first place". More than the hard cap (which is actually super hard to determine because as you grow in skill, you also unlock more branches in your craft, making it a complex ability that isn't easily measured over a single dimension), natural talent has an impact on how easy it is for a person to pickup a new skill. But it really only impacts the early (easy) steps of a skill. Now, I'm not saying that luck has nothing to do with success. On the contrary, luck is widely underestimated when it comes to success, and you could have more hard-working and better singer/dancers than, say, Michael Jackson that went completely unknown. But this has nothing to do with the "natural" talent of either.
I believe that pre-knowledge of one subject being implemented into another is talent assuming you excel in it. For an example, when I was in elementary school I loved to rollerblade very fast which in return helped me get leverage over other students in 60m dash. Later on when I went to a regional competition and I scored 2nd on the leaderboard a coach who had won many Olympic championships came to me and said "hey, you're talented, would you want to join my training". See what I'm talking about
I think what we're missing here is pure love. I mean think of it, if you have something that you naturally love then you're obviously going to put more hours in it. From what I feel, the things you are good at are the things that can express you the most thus, making you naturally incline to trying to 'express' yourself better. Maybe this whole thing (what we do) is a reflection of what we are best. Love is the paint, abilities are the paintbrush and practice as the canvas. You know you can't just overlook the things you love. It just shows who you are as a whole. and when you think of it, everyone has a different way of expressing themselves. This is just my two cents btw. It's different for everyone.
That’s true! I can draw if I sit down with a reference and spend a couple hours working at it. I have a realistic drawing of my left hand in my photos but I don’t draw very often and that hand took me three hours. If I sit down and try to draw something from memory or an idea I can’t put it on paper as I don’t practice enough, it is not something I really enjoy... Then there’s music. I love it but I lack discipline and haven’t put the time in, I know that’s why I’m not a higher level than I am. I know that’s why I still struggle with mediocre melodies and why I’m improving at the rate of a snail. I also spread my time between too many tasks. Focus on one thing, give it your all and you’ll be “talented”. I’m the only one in my house that doesn’t believe in natural talent. I believe in passion, intellect, and hard work. I’m sure there are anomalies as with everything but those people typically possess a relatively high IQ level and a friend/relative with an interest in the “talent” I’ve noticed.
So, you're saying, that because put so many hours into studying, and get such great results, and have done so since I was very young, I have a 'pure love' for studying? Hmm, strange. I thought I absolutely despised it, guess I must be wrong.
I hate studying, yet I have managed to stay a topper throughout my school life with very less amount of time spent in studying. On the other hand, I love sports and athletics, and yet I am the worst on the field even though I work harder than most of my teammates. Care to explain?
@Jermaine Yeah man most probably it’s the cause - I have poor hand-eye coordination. I have faced difficulties in sports as well as learning a new instrument or doing something that requires physical skill to some extent.
Talent cannot even be defined. How come all these talented people only seem to excel at one activity. How many people are world champions at 2 or more sports? Talent is a lot more attractive than hard work. It's the easiest excuse to use when you fail. Oh I didn't put the hours in that I should have.
Practice for sure!) I'm an artist and got used to hear "Oh you're so happy, you're talented") But it was only when I starting making art on a daily basis and profecionally when I realized how unfair it was) Like people don't tell you "Wow , how many hours did you spend, how much efford did you make?", etc) I think it's only some excuse for the majority to explane their underperformance in something) Thanks for your channel!)
A saxophone player here, same thing. Was always called "talented" when every time I actually made some progress I clearly remember I had to get to the point first, then practice what's the point is about, then put some effort to implement it into my style to truly make that point a part of my skill. Kinda hate the word "talent" nowadays, it almost always implies "look how lucky you got at birth, its all luck no skill, we're lazy to even try so we'll pretend we'll never get there even if we try". The only talent there is is genetic stuff like big hands for pianists etc.
I know that practice makes perfect but this information has given a new insight to unlock the latent potentiality within and boost up my confidence that I can be the best with dedicated practice.. Thank you so much...
Great video - the theory should be inspirational to all! However, it always amazes me from comments how some people 'instinctively' still believe in 'talent' and reference 'natural tendencies' etc. We are ALL products of our upbringing, what our parents/gaurdians do to feed, protect, entertain, challenge and nurture us. This is the early 'practice' that provides so called 'natural tendencies' at young ages. (physical disability or impairment is obviously going to have an impact here), but, we are all born with a blank canvas as babies - Walking. talking, holding a spoon etc is ALL an attained skill through deliberate practice. These basic abilities go on to influence what we 'like' or prefer to do, and they are normally heavily linked to something that our parents/friends have said we are 'good' at - that leads to more play/practice in that field - drawing, music, baseball,golf, football, maths. If we then start to really enjoy that field, we will do it more and more, and continue to improve - that is the basic process for 'developing' any skills or abilities as a child. After that, the level we achieve comes down to the theory in the video about further extensive particular purposeful training! However, research shows that deliberate practice/hard work can be done at ANY age - and it still works, you may not become 'world class' or 'elite level', but you can become great, and EVERYONE else will say - 'he/she has got a talent for X' about YOU!
Nick Hough no matter how much somebody is in denial..we are not all on equal level. some ppl are geniuses musical or artistic prodegies atgletic freaks. if someone goes from no talent to putting in insane amout of time and effort to work on their craft they can be be good or even very good but they will not be elite at that particular thing. talent is the foundation that makes ppl truly stand out. hardwork is prerequisite to reach some level of success. when you combine the two is when you see something special.
@@daebak7370 For sports, I somehow agree, for running and swiming for example. For music, you do csn have some sort of tendency in the beginning, that pushes you to practice even more. BUT, once youbreach a certain point, it doesn't matter that much anymore, because the talent that allowed you to "get it" unconsciously will not be sufficient when will come the time to correct your mistakes, you will have to pass on manual mode, and THAT is the greatest of hardships in becoming a professional musician.
i feel the talent like something you really love to do and when you are doing it you are not on autopilot and soo its seems you easier than the others things
Talent is never innate. Read the book “the genius in all of us” and you’ll learn about all the scientific research that points to how talent is truly made.
Nope, the research clearly proves all talent and ability is inborn.All this talk about you could do this and that is total rubbish.Its all useless.Talent is inborn, without it nothing makes any difference.
Those books are always toxic-positivity mumbo jumbo to fool the fool and make money out of him. Denying the existence of natural talent is denying nature itself.
Talent is innate though, all of the best athletes in the world throughout history through different types of sports couldn't have been the best unless they had talent as well. It's just a fact that for whatever reason, some people are naturally better than others when it comes to some things that require physical and/or mental exertion. Take Usain Bolt for example, the reason why he was the fastest in the world was because of talent due to being physically gifted of having longer leg strides during his sprints. I'm sure every athlete trained just as hard as him if not harder and used whatever training it took to maximize their potential, but it ultimately seems that Bolt was invincible in terms of raw speed due to his natural talent of running fast. Some degree of talent is required if you want to be the best at anything, but most of the time talent is worthless if one doesn't put in the work to maximize its potential.
I believe talent does exist... But it's not a guarantee for success. Natural talent is great and all, and you might improve faster than someone without talent, but it's worthless if you don't put in the work to improve upon it. Practicing something will inevitably make you improve, talent might make you see results faster, but at the end of the day, regardless of talent or not, you will be better than you were before you started. Talent is a base, hard work and consistent practice is what will push the people who use it to go further than people with talent. Don't worry about being talented or not, just focus on improving and being better than you were when you started.
Any so-called "talent" can be traced back to good physical or cognitive abilities which isn't talent. You can't be "naturally gifted" for sports, music, art or science since those things don't appear in nature and were all made up by human beings. If LeBron James grew up in the rain forest he would be considered "naturally gifted" for hunting due to his physical and cognitive skills which are based on his genetics.
@@bluepearl_22My sister has never practice singing but still she has most beautiful voice and i didn't learn to write stories or poem but still i can write a beautiful poem and stories, is it not a innate talent or genetic factors playing role than what else is responsible for this very unpracticed qualities???
If u put it too the test a man who knows 10’000 kicks would be better then someone who did one kick 10k times since both of there legs would be equally as strong since they trained just as hard as eachother so at that point it’s just 1 kick vs 10 thousand
I was one of those kids who was bored during math classes because it was too easy for me. Never did homework in my life. At the same time, there were girls in our class who simply can't get it, despite doing all the homework and putting a lot of efforts. If you study people at music and sports schools you already study the talented ones. Why on earth will you go to the special school if you have no inclination whatsoever? For ordinary school kids who had no chance to choose what to study the story would be completely different. The study regarding the music school simply shows that people who have a talent and are hard-working at the same time performing better than people who only have talent. Kinda obvious.
This reminds of something that happened to me. Throughout my childhood my brothers knew how to whistle well enough and i didnt. Then when I got older, one day I just decided to start practcing every time of the day I could, and in a few months i could whistle very very well.I still practice whistling at every opportunity i get and now u can whistle any song i want, so its pretty cool
Very good video. In math, intuition is important, but you also have to be able to focus selectively on information and follow-up with analytical thinking to solve problems.
Talent exists when it comes to athletics. I don’t think I could run or train hard enough to ever run a 4.3 40 yard dash. That kind of speed you have to be born with good genes. I trained harder than anyone else on my football team and was a good player, but has physical limitations, I wasn’t 250 lbs nor would I ever be. And I was fast but not 4.3 fast
Yea, i feel the same way. I think the right saying should be "Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard". The way i see it, is that you can reach success with hard work alone but not talent alone, however, when you are talented and you work hard, the sky becomes the limit, so this is the way i view talent, you can reach the top of the mountain with hard work alone but only those with talent can go beyond the top of the mountain and reach the sky, in short, they become one of the best in whatever they do, world class shall i say, now this analogy is very important, because talent alone cannot take you to the top of the mountain, in order to go beyond into the sky, one must first reach the mountain first then their talent takes them beyond into the sky. (which means hard work is a must) Some examples are muhammed ali, micheal jordan, the funny thing is, these people are extremely talented but they also work extremely hard, there are many people who work just as hard as ali or micheal jordan but just cannot get to their level because they aren't born with the talent, same goes to those that are just as talented as micheal jordan, ali, mike tyson but don't work as hard as they do, so they never reach their full potential, in short, without talent the best you can be is good, with talent the best you can be is GREAT, but only if you combine your talent with hard work, if you wanna be great, you need both.
Your physical phenotype is really the only thing that is related to talent. Luckily, there are plenty of things that aren't related to your physical phenotype.
Maybe now, but what if your parents started you on the optimal diet from 1 year old, and you had been working towards running then. Do you think you'd be able to make that time? Would you then be considered talented then?
@@Tunde....Ballack As for the sprinting, no. Elite sprinters and other power athletes have an abundance of type 2x muscle fibres, and you’re either born with them or you’re not. With training, fast-twitch (power) fibres can turn into slow-twitch (endurance) fibres, but it doesn’t happen in the other direction. (Source: human physiology degree).
@@livinthemind86 Well I won't argue specifics since it's not my area of specialization, but are you saying a new born today is born with this muscle fibre? and it doesn't change, increase or develop over their lifetime depending on how they live their life?. I can understand things like someone born with a bone condition or a heart condition being unable to become a sprinter, I always like to ask this, would you then say that person is not talented because of that physical limitation, because your statement is actually the opposite way of that.
Let us first define "talent" Talent: refers to one's natural aptitude. however we never actually measure our natural aptitude. we measure our artificial aptitude. Artificiall Aptitude: is simply in the simplest way, Unnatural Aptitude, one where there're other factors applied to one's aptitude, not just your natural aptitude. What affects our Artificial Aptitude? It's experience and foundation. Having played quite a lot of FPS games will make you progress fast in a new FPS game, that your progress would look abnormally fast. Having learned Arts skills makes one more creative more able to interpret, and when we write we do it better, and also progress faster. Having prior experience to a certain field, then taking a break and progress other fields on other fields that either directly or indirectly affects the certain field that you desire to progress, will make one's development faster, it's not simply progress. it's progress on-top of your skill in that field "catching-up" to your other fields of skill.
For me, talent is just a matter of perspective. There are close to infinite variables that make us the way we are and the way we think, it's just having a sufficient amount of encouragement and discouragement that we have towards a certain field. In some cases, talent is defined as having a better physique or genetics, where a person is given the potential of having a better chance of being better than others. That's basically how far talent goes, where talent is merely a multiplier or a head start that is given to you throughout or in the future after you were born.
Yeees, sure is practice, and I loved the video. But we see some natural tendences in kids, before the practice begins. We see that some, with no theory or trying before, suddenly surprise us with a skill for acting, singing, dancing, painting or whatever. In Robert Greene's book, "Mastery", he also explains about this natural tendency, and I guess, by the terms we usually refer to, it can be called talent. And we also know that there are many different forms of inteligence, in different activities and areas. But I don't really think people can achieve something relevant only by talent or intelligence, practice is always the most important
This is not world class performance. Child prodigies amaze us, because we compare them not with other performers who have practiced for the same length of time, but with children of the same age, who have not dedicated their lives in the same way. I'll make a video about this soon :)
Still it is quite advanced for his age. Kids usually only start learning at his age, so I see a big future for the boy. If he spends enough time practicing, of course.
I hate the world "talent". It discourages a lot of people, it destroys potencially rewarding career paths. Especially in fields like music or mathematics, there is this thinking, that you "just have it" or not. Forget that, if you wanna do it, do it. Work hard, you will get better and better. And by practising a lot, we train our brain and develop skills, we perhaps would have never thought to be able to.
To me, genes do play a role but ultumately it's all hardwork and practice that stand out. Genes should just be thought as an advantage and the only factor for success is hard work
If a student doesn’t have a spatial intuition for something abstract as differential forms, no matter how hard he tries, he will never get passed a solely formal idea of what he is dealing with, thus will be unable to enhance the subject.
When I was 14, I'd get annoyed when people commented on my "talent" for playing the flute. "I don't believe in talent," I'd say, "Anyone could do it if they practiced." I'm glad the science is there to back up my inner child who still wants to scream at people who call me "talented".
You had talent, talent is nothing without hard work for sure but you had potential to get good at the flute and you worked hard to reach your potential. That is talent, my friend. Not everyone can be as good as you.
based on wikipedia, talent means (someone who has) a natural ability to be good at something, especially without being taught: and this shit is bullshit!!!!! its all hardwork
@@labradog05 it does exist. You do see some prodigies who play extremely well when they've never really practiced before like Messi who had incredible abilities at like 4 that's definitely talent. Of course if you don't work hard to polish your talent you're not making it to professional lvl but saying that talent doesn't exist is simply stupid "hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard"
@@agl4044 so basically. Talent doesn't exist , everything is hardwork. Talents that u can have when born are having a good voice. Having a tall height. Having a long leg. Having a big arm. And those are not even talent. Those are genetics
@@labradog05 did you read my comment? I said some people are already extremely good at what they do before even starting to practice and we see it at very young age. But without training they're not gonna make it because talent makes that practice easier for you but most of the success is gonna come from your hard work. Talent is like what separates good players from great players just like Cristiano Ronaldo said
As practice is crucially important, but talent is there screaming loudly even in the animations you put in your video. For instance the guy who was carrying weight in your animation would practice and suffer way less if he was lean body than other child who is over weight because of his genes or because of his hormones. Violinist who have better fine motor muscles will need way less practice to get better results than someone who have cerebral palsy for instance. Or dyslexic people who cannot read but they are genius artists. Even patience to practice is talent, memory is talent, musical memory is talent, passion is talent. My friend talent is a physical, mental , psychological ability guided by someone genes, environment and experience. Saying that people have same abilities is merely simplify things and put people who are unable under a huge pressure. Einstein once said everyone is genius but don't judge the fish by not being able to climb a tree make
Well said, I agree with you. I think that initial talent give some people a head start and for some more than for others. Hard work can however compensate for the lack of initial talent. But, the question is, is it worth all the work? For most people the answer is no, so that's why those who have initial talent often are those who put in a lot of exercise to get even better at what they're doing.
Being lean does not equal being stronger. It's usually the other way around and fat people are stronger. So people with cerebral palsy are considered untalented, because of their DEFICIENCY? So that makes everyone without the disease a talented individual? Again with dyslexia. Does having it make you UNTALENTED? By your logic being normal makes you "more talented" and having a deficiency makes you "talented"? I guess I just have more talent, because I can play the piano and have five fingers on each hand, while some pianist has only four and can't play as well. Deficiency =/= Untalented "Even patience to practice is talent, memory is talent, musical memory is talent, passion is talent." - Quoting you - All this can be developed. "Saying that people have same abilities is merely simplify things." - Quoting you again - Where did he say people have the same abilities? He even acknowledged that there is initial skill, which is JUST INITIAL. Opinion discarded.
You missed the point there. They will be less talented or better said able because of ther deficiencies. They still can be great mathematicians, singers ect. He literally said in one sentence that they may be unable to read but can at the same time be artistic geniuses.
Inherited physical aptitude is not talent, what you call talent is IQ plain and simple, is someone is "smarter" than you by applying in the same field with the same physical traits with someone else who is less "smart" will come out on top. In other words talent intelligence applied to a particular field, obviously practice and will and devotion have a massive role.
so the message is "its ok we are all mediocre people"... talent exist that's a reality, but lazy talent will be surfaced with hard work... hard working talent is another level...
Yes because Ive spent hours a week doing math for the last two months and I’m becoming more proficient. I have no talents only the hope that something will come out of this studying.
I think there are a lot of factors that can contribute to what we call talent. Having perfect pitch, for example. Or exceptional memory. Or perhaps being synesthetic. All of these have a strong genetic component. While you can argue about whether talent per se is genetic, some contributing factors definitely are. Also, what about savantism? Does innate talent play a role in that?
Very good point, I think its a lot more complex than this video suggests unfortunately. That's not to say hard work doesnt pay off, of course it does. Either way, I believe we all have some sort of purpose and everyone has a natural talent that they should put that hard work into.
@@Name-bn3vo well then im a really f*cked up human because literally everything im good was incredibly hard to do at first, i adamantly refuse to believe talent exists because if it does i dont have it anyways so it doesn't matter
I love the example you bring up because it shows you're 100% wrong, and that's a good thing. A study was done a few years back, and by the end of the study, children who didn't have perfect pitch before had learned it. The study showed that it is NOT genetic. Same with memory. There are lots of studies that show that memory can be improved and degraded depending on the activities you do. The studies pretty much agree that it is NOT genetic. What kind of stuff is genetic? Mostly physical, phenotypical attributes. Your health is about half genetics, half lifestyle choices. Your height is part genetics, part nutrition. That's the kind of stuff affected by genetics.
I knew how to draw since 3rd grade (furthest memory i have with drawing). Ever since i been drawing for fun, I never took it seriously, no competition, other than me getting jealous of people in my class with good skills. But i dont know if i should use those skills for a living or just a hobby. i drew the same things over and over again. Soon people began to think i was obsessed with it. Truthfully, i wasnt i just enjoyed drawing it. I asked one of my family members who took care of me since i was born they said i was horrible at it. I wondered how i got these skills. Should i be proud that people call it skill not talent?
I mean, maybe you werent horrible at it. Maybe you were good taking into consideration the average skill level of the people of your age at the time, but "horrible" if you compare with what true beautiful drawing is. I dont know what kind of effect that family member was looking for when he told you that, but that was a terrible statement
Talent is real, and people are talented All will train, yes, but not all will improve at the same rate. Talented people find it fun training more and more, but non talented people easily give up. What science can explain a 3 years old child(search DJ ark junior )already being a DJ with no education, what time did he train What you are saying is like training a fish to climb a tree. Please don't ever say such again, do you research about most of the great people in the world. Being talented doesn't mean you won't train
Also, going deeper, violin EXISTS since we defined what it was, as well as music theory… If there was a factor that made you better at violin it wouldn’t be called in your human database of talents a “good in violin” but something related to maybe capacity on focusing on the music and execution at the same time. Since music, arts and theater are mere formats and adaptations in the practical part of what art could be, talent becomes as ambiguous as Astrology… I believe that it all comes down to childhood, the very first things you absorb as a sponge, which are not just “inputs and stimuli” but different ways of putting aspects of the world in your way of mechanizing and connecting them to the rest. Most artists that become good in an instrument become also very “good” in all other arts, because all the formats touch the same areas, even science, which can expand so much the artistic flexibility that there is no real limit to their skills IN our world. This comment IS to contrary the basic idea of something being constructed step by step, YES, of COURSE it is, but there are people that become faster at something from how they have experienced the world, we are all different, right?
I think there are many factors. But maybe the essence of incorporating a skill is BELIEVING YOU CAN. For example, if a kid is seen as a talented person in some activity, then he will grow up with that belief, with expectations and hope from other people, all wich will push him to be the best, and will also have the effect of making his mind believe he is talented, so he will naturally do the activity with ease. Whereas when a person is tagged as non talented in some activity since is a kid, then he well grow up with such a nonsense belief, that will make him feel he is useless, and then this will make him not trying to dl it, or even will make him try doing the activity but then blocking himself whit his own negative emotions about his skills. Or, even worse, he will see his false lack of talent as a part of his identity (and so the other people). And because this person doesn't even try, then maybe when he must perform that activity due to a test, then, after not having trained himself in the activity, will not get results and will continue tagging himself as non talented. It is a vicious circle. I deeply believe mind is the very basis of our lifes. So first look at it, try to identify your emotions and thoughts, and realize how they are strongly responsible for your life results, either good ones and bad ones. There are more things to mention about skills, but again, I think the essence of being successful IS BELIEVING YOU CAN BE. Then the other necessary things will naturally come, like hard work, or even talent... Because when you believe you can, then your mind starts to work more efficiently and will make much easier things (which you will maybe perceive as talent) .... Whereas if you do not trust in your potential, then your mind will not be at his 100% because she will unconsciously make you be coherent with your beliefs. Have a look on Polgar sisters amazing history, btw.
if you take 100 people, give them 10,000 hours of training on anything from guitar to being a fighter pilot or baseball pitcher, they will not all be at the same level, some will have a knack for it and be very very good
yeah, but again if you give 10,000 hours of training to 100 people to do some certain task, some will do it better because they have a knack for it. Whitney houston was belting out notes at age 12 that grown ups cant do, not because she practiced for 10,000 hours, but because she practiced an ability she already had a knack for
As it was said in the video, the results will be almost identical. The research that was done is quite extensive. This is also not my opinion. I'm just bringing the viewers in this short video, the data that was being gathered by the researchers for over a decade. I'm not trying to deny that talent doesn't exist - it might. But so far the studies have proven it otherwise. If any actual research comes forth that it does exist, I will definitely post it. :)
@@spacecatboy2962 that's not a skill, that's basically saying if your tall that's a skill or if you were born stronger you have talent. Genetics influence your physical attributes but almost everyone can sing you just have to practice now u won't sound like Whitney Houston but I will sound like your self and that's unique lol but u just have to find ur vocal range and master it
Well how does the research explain phonomenon of Mozart, for example? Was he the only one to practice deliberately for 10 000 hours in his time? How many hours had he practiced before he wrote his first pieces for orchestra? How many 5-year-old composers of baroque music does the research count? I spent over 10 000 hours practicing the piano but I'm not even a lightyear close to the talent of Mozart, or Rachmaninoff or Lizt.
I've never heard of somebody mastering anything without working hard for it. What I do see however, are child "prodigies" that never grew up to get better than they were 5. It seems practice makes perfect, and being perfect cannot replace practice.
There is one phenomenally strong argument which makes it VERY likely that talent is really „only“ the ability to delay gratification.. and this is the fact that it’s proven that even the most attractive women in the world date the men with best ATTITUDE and not those with the presumably „best“ genes. In other words: a man who was at the button and worked his way to the top by overcoming obstacle after obstacle often has more attraction power than men who seem to be top all their life. It’s because there is (almost) no one who was top to begin with. And in science we are getting more and more hints that badass attitudes translate to badass genes over time and NOT the other way around.
im really sure talent exists in my opinion or from at least from what i saw from being around artists. people must practice first to get that amount of talent that puts them in the category "world class" and then they will start tweaking it and make it theirs making their own style and the natural ones, the one with better/more unique sense or taste, have the upper hand. im not sure about other stuff because it really does differ depending on what type of talent we are talking about but from what i can see my point from above really affects art.
Since I can remember and throughout my entire high school career I was told by literally everyone that I have a "natural gift" for drawing. As an adult I can confidentially say that my "talent" is rooted in my early exposure to/obsession with Disney growing up.
Well, of course, but I think he was speaking about any type of performance who doesn't require a physical gift. But, for that, you have to consider than, more often than not, the amount of hours you put in sports while we're young affects your body for the rest of your life. But I agree with your point, physical innate attributes do matter in certain cases, especially in cardio sports
Talent is better than hard work no doubt. But if a talented person, don't work as hard as the hardworker, the hardworker dominates him. Perseverance plays a big role in life and building personality!
You can't have "natural talent" for something that doesn't appear in nature. LeBron James wasn't "born" for basketball. He just has great physical and cognitive qualities that just happen to be favorable for excelling in that sport. There are MMA experts who say that he's naturally gifted for fighting. If he grew up in the rain forest, he'd be considered naturally gifted for hunting.
I do believe in talent. You can practice all you want, you aren’t making it to NBA, sorry to rain on your parade :) same with other “trainings”. Just the very simple task that doesn’t require talent you can succeed in by training hard. Go train and become a rocket scientist when you are far from smart with IQ of a 100, cannot ever memorize the square root of 100 but truly believe in what your video says. Let me know how it goes. Haha You are right about manual repetition that mostly has nothing to do with talent. Anyone can do it. Anything above that requires talent.
Talent exits. It's a special individual trait that u are born with that NOBODY else can have...... I've personally see two pianists go head to head (One went to A LOT of piano lessons and the other just played it for fun and was a bit rusty). The guy that DIDN'T play it as often as the other COMPLETELY DESTROYED the other guy, making a complete fool of him. So that shouldn't even be a question, you can even look at the music industry.... some musicians have certain capabilities that other CAN'T DUPLICATE NO MATTER HOW HARD THEY WANT TO WORK AT MASTERING THEIR SKILLS.
Talent is an ability to learn a skill in a short period of time in a competitive environment. I believe that talent and time practicing a skill are two different things. Regardless of research was done so far. There is a huge difference between when you are 30 years old and 80 years old in achieving your goal. When you are 40 and have your talent expressed, you will have time to enjoy it. When you are 80 years old you have sweated and busted yourself twice longer than some who is 40. Trust me going through the hardship twice longer is a serious toll on your health. Michelangelo achievement in his 20's v.s Colonel Harland Sanders in his 60's (KFC founder) is a huge difference. Please note I am not saying that you should stop working hard. I am myself busting my back on overdrive. Also, having faith and ambition helps.
It does boil down to practice but not a 10,000 hour metric. Talent can be learned much faster with great teachers and/or methods. To the extent that talent exists, perhaps it exists as passion or some other drive toward mastery, if not the mastery itself. As such talent doesn't always manifest skill, when the goal changes before it is realized.
Basically, the theory of evolution. But, as it is with evolution there still are individuals who are better by nature on some things. Yeas, no one reaches excellence by pure talent, but one can not deny that some people have more initial talent than others.
The thing about initial skill is that's all it is. Initial. I'm not denying it. But if two individuals have the same opportunities, they can both reach the same level of a skill. :)
Yeas, but some people need to struggle a lot more than others to reach the same skill. Say for example people with dyslexia or other disadvantages compared to those who have a different type of mind. The same goes for other body functions, some people have a larger advantage than others. So, it's not only about how much commitment you put into it, there are also other variables. I think this experiment needs to be on a larger scale before we can conclude anything more solid about it. Something seems to be missing in the analysis.
Boris Babic What do you mean something is missing? In sports like basketball, height is obviously a factor. If you're 5 feet tall, you obviously won't be playing in NBA. But if you're lucky enough to be sufficiently tall, success or failure will depend on how much practice you put in. Take two individuals who are the same height, but one is better than the other. Would you say that particular individual is just born with the talent for basketball?
I wasn't against the theory that hard work is more important than initial advantages. I was against the theory that roughly equal amount of hard work is the only thing that differs between people with high skills and no skills in one area of expertise. That is simply not true, one's initial advantages (= talent) plays a certain part in how easily one will develop skills in a certain area of expertise.
Darn! My age is working against me. Am no longer a young person. Ten years to master something wouldn't give me long to enjoy it. Powerlifting is a sport you can conquer quickly if you have talent and train it correctly.
I can encourage someone probably with this one.I play football for almost 3 years now, and in the beginning, I didn’t know the best how to dribble lets say, all I knew is like running with the ball, but some rolls, step overs and another skills I didn’t know how to do when I play. I practiced that, and now I’m really good at it, I use rolls, stepovers and etc. When I play 1v1 with my boyfriend, I use a lot of skills and my ball control is really good. The same story for juggling, 2 years ago, I would really hard juggle 30 and only with my right leg… sometimes I even asked myself WHY I CAN’T DO THIS GOOD or I’LL NEVER JUGGLE GOOD and how I practiced it sometimes, guess what? My new record is 515, and I beated it this summer, and I even juggle almost as freestylers. So yea, we should never give up because, our weaknesses can become our strenghts 😁
I believe in Talent, but it's something that will only aid you early on. If there is an improvement wall, you will hit it too, albeit sonner then the majority. After that is all about hard work.
Talent exists in my opinion. But what it is is more interest + physical and mental attributes + the ability to self learn. Coaching definitely helps but most of the progress is done by the individual.
I agree that it exists, but that's based mainly on intuition, and a few examples. Now take some exceptional mathematicians like Terence Tao. I really think that they have talent (and that is an understatement).
Everyone remembers from Phys Ed that some kids are just way better at sports, but one does wonder how much practice at sports in general they have had. That said, even with significant practice, my best sustained speed running for distance was still over 6 minutes per KM. I'm not going to be a great runner, but interestingly, with relatively little effort I am able to shoulder a natural stone weighing about 240 lb, something I doubt most men at 35 could do. I can get better at both, but while I could maybe be a strongman with hours of practice, I won't ever be considered a fast runner for distance, because I'm not built for it. Mental based abilities interestingly DO improve very significantly with practice, because practice changes the brains. This is why you need lots of practice over a very long period of time, your brain is literally adapting, and likely is growing in certain regions. This is also why said practice occurring during childhood is so valuable, because the brain adapts faster and to a greater degree.
Physical qualities aren't based on "talent" they're based on favorable genetics. Otherwise, boys would generally be considered more talented at sports than girls.
(Borrowed from a comment on another video) Here’s how I think of it. Everyone has a dominant and a nondominant hand. It feels natural to write with your dominant hand, you don’t have to force anything in order to do it. Of course you’re not born knowing how to write, and you have to work at it if you want to make calligraphy or just have better handwriting, but you can do it because of that natural feeling. If you try with your nondominant hand, it feels unnatural and you have to force it. To me, making yourself do something you’re not talented in is like trying to make calligraphy with your nondominant hand. For most people, it’s going to be so frustrating that they become demotivated because they’re just not getting much return no matter how hard they try. If you try to make calligraphy with your dominant hand however (i.e. do something you have a natural predisposition for), of course you have to work hard, but it feels more natural to do it and you get more of a return for the work you put in. Perhaps the difference between the violin students is that those with the highest natural ability _wanted_ to put in the extra practice because it felt natural to do so, and they got more of a return for their work.
The evidence has shown that there is enormous variation in skill development between individuals, for the same amount/type of training.In fact, talented individuals usually attain very high levels of proficiency within 2 years of training onset.Less talented individuals are still poor performers after 10 years.There is no correlation, at all, between practice and proficiency.Given identical training regimes, 2 people with often differ in the number of hours required to reach a given milestone, by a full order of magnitude, I.e one often has to practice 10 times longer to achieve the same thing.
@@nickwhright5848 That means Einstein is Einstein, Mozart is Mozart, Picasso is Picasso... and they are not equal to 10 years of practice. This statement sounds ridiculous! Where did Mozart practice when he was doing things he does when he is only 4 years old for example!?!?!? what about Einstein and so on?!?!? Can you do anything like these guys does with only 10 years of practice?
I believe talent is a natural inclination to things because you are drawn to it. Some people love blank, subconsciously their brain will pick up anything related to blank. it will be easier to digest concepts because blank is in their head all day. It's really all about interest and putting in the work. I guess it's a question of how much of an interest you have of it. when you are so obsessed with something you will do everything you can to find how to do something whether someone tells you or not, whether you have access to it or not, or if you have support or not.
So the only reason I’m not Mozart is the lack of hours put in? Forget the fact that perfect pitch is not an acquirable skill. It can’t be learned. Forget the fact that Mozart was DEAD by age 35. He spent less time at his craft than the average hack who may dedicate 70 plus years to their craft and obviously still not get remotely close to the body and quality of work that the likes of a Mozart did. The uncomfortable truth is that people are not remotely equally endowed when it comes to specific endeavours like composing, playing an instrument, golf, swimming, fine art, football, boxing, literature etc...A lifetime of ‘hard work’ can pretty much guarantee mediocrity as a minimum goal for basically everybody, no matter their starting point. I think that’s probably true. But the idea that anybody can excel to all time world class standards at anything by sheer will of ‘hard work’ is delusional nonsense. If I’m 5’1 with one arm, and my all consuming dream is to be a hall of fame basketball player in the NBA. My work ethic won’t be the proximate cause of my inevitable failure.
Some people are more obsessed and driven with learning or improving at a certain thing than others. That drive is talent. I for one I'm pretty much the opposite of that and never really achieved anything special but I don't care either. WIsh I was obsessed like a savant
Disagree. That "drive" isn't talent. It's rather a combination of subjective interests, parental/environmental influence and positive reinforcement. The only reason why LeBron James is one of the greates basketballers in history can be traced back to these factors. If he were born on an island far away from American or even Western culture he would never develop the "talent" for basketball. He would just be a normal person with good physical genes (that just happen to be of benefit to that sport). You can apply that to pretty much anything.
It wouldn’t be a stretch to say talent could be genetic. Why don’t you have perfect pitch? The artistic ability of Michaelangelo? The incentive ability of Leonardo Da Vinci. By using extremes we can see there is unexplained variation of ability among different people that isn’t because of hard work alone.
Talent does not exist and it is a stupid concept. Talent is just a word for luck. If everyone in your family is good at piano and you are good at it too, you are not talented you are lucky. Skill and luck are the only things that exist. I hate it when people call other people talented because they didn't get to that level because of talent (because it doesn't exist, it is just luck), they got there because of skill and nothing else.
Some people are natural born talent at certain things, but will stay at amateur or good level if they don’t work on it to make it a high level skill they will stay stuck there
How can you be a "natural born talent" at things that usually don't appear in nature? There are MMA experts who say that LeBron James was born for fighting. If he grew up in the rain forest he'd be considered naturally gifted" for hunting. The truth is that LBJ has great physical and cognitive qualities that just happen to be favorable for excelling at basketball or MMA or hunting. Those are based on his genetics, not talent.
I hate it when people tell me "you're so talented", "I'll never be as good as you because I lack talent". BULL. HECKING. SHIT. I practiced like crazy, I gave my specialty my whole life and you say it's "TALENT"? Get outta here.
I can relate to you. I used to be bad at maths, but then I started studying it a lot more. After that people would tell me that I am "naturally good" at it and that I have a "talent" for it. In reality, I just spent hundreds (could be even at least a thousand) of hours solving hard math problems, trying to understand what I was studying, and watching thousands of videos.
If you dont believe in talent you never played a sport. Sport is where 80% is hard working and is at max decent. And the 20% is pure talent who is half slacking but is the best on thier team. If a person with talent works hard they will become pro. Thats it nothing more to it
Disagree. Those 20% aren't talent. They are a combined product of subjective interests, parental/environmental influence and positive reinforcement. You can't be "naturally gifted" for any sport cause sports doesn't appear in nature since it's a concept made up by human beings. Sports is making a game out of physical activities which require hard work and favorable genetics.
actually talent DOES determine to succeed. Many people would turn to advices on how to turn their failure into success by watching/reading/listening to what people who made it in life would say to do so. Only a few people would succeed while most would stay down. The few would do the same until the vicious cycle continues and we'll get more people who fail while less and less succeeding. It's never about the advices. It's about being born with it. The sooner we accept how truly uncomfortable it is, the sooner we'd stop wasting our time practicing for a dream we'd lose more than we'd gain when acheived. I've failed a lot in life and i tried learning from my failures but they all kelpt piling up until you can no longer just learn but dibilitate you completely. It's never about the mentality, the strategy, or which method. It's about being born with certain genetic traits on a uniformed environment that has random factors that will either determine success or failure similar to that of being in the wild. If i was in the wild, i would've been eaten already and however got the better out of me first would advance and progress. this "positive" thinking is lethal and only the smartest predators would use this to their advantage. these videos need to stop and people need to stop looking for something to pat their backs with. there's always either another path to succeed where your success is without fail or stop trying and focus on survival. the more people would seek "help" from "motivational speakers" and whatnot, the more we are giving them the satisfaction of being a predator.
Better than yesterday, I dream of becoming an Rnb and pop singer. I wanted to know if the difference between the 10,000-hour system for a violinist and a Pop or Rnb artist, is the example of 10,000 hours also valid for Pop or Rnb singers as a violinist?
This was very interesting. I agree that there is no talent, but can you really learn anything? I think you can only learn things well that you really want to learn.
Yeah if you train hard at a certain sport you learn if you have the skills to be great. I practiced for soccer and learned I was talnted at striker. Out of instinct I would score on people through their legs or just shot without looking at the net and I would score.
I have a question: Is having a very deep imagination since you are a toddler, a talent or a skill ? Because I have a very big and detailed imagination since I am two years old. I was already able to create stories with sense and deep characters even if I was bad at writing. You could give one word and I was able to make a whole story very quickly about this word. But nobody taught me how to use imagination. It was just natural for me, every time I am using my imagination. So I wonder if this is a talent or a skill ?
For me it's a 50/50 thing. Though I must agree that talent are not really inhereted from parents. It comes from our Creator. I could already carry a tune at 1 year old before I could talk according to my mom who is not a good singer herself. But I didn’t become a world class singer because I did not spend all my time just singing. I had other things in my life like studies and household chores to attend to.
@@AaronLaZox no, they definately are born that way.Their brains are totally wired different from birth, based on brain scans of people who became prodigies
@@AaronLaZox so a 5 year old who can sing as good or better than someone in their 30s or older is not considered talented? the adults had way more time to practice so why can the children who only been alive for so little time able to achieve same? its called talent.
@@7svn. Not really, these child prodigies get high level dedicated training. Did you watch the video? Not all practice is equal. and even when you do the same practice, not everyone learns the same, people internalize things differently, some might understand the true purpose of the practice and grasp the key point faster, others might not, but the instant they are taught in a way that they understand this point, also start to get better. Some things once missed in early childhood development becomes not impossible but a lot harder to learn from scratch depending on the time you start in adulthood. What you described is just ability = talent, you're good so you're talented.
The worst part is when some parents, teachers or coaches use the concept of "born with a talent" to encourage one child .. they're unconsciously discouraging the other children .
My parents told me I had to be born with natural talent in order to learn how to draw well . I believed them . I learnt how to draw as an adult . I am still not a perfect drawer. But I went from drawing stick figures to drawing actual pictures. I hate it when people say natural talents. It's wrong .
In sport, talent is definitely a thing. not from a mental standpoint ,but its more of an anatomical perspective
@@JR-iz1ee not quite . It’s not possible to be born to be able to do something well .
Talent is there it is happen when 1 is better then other even the both of them work in the same condition and work load
@@cassandrawest1784 Here's a dose of reality. Not all humans are born equal.
“Hard work is talent, if it wasn’t everyone would do it.” - Gary Kasparov
‘The paradox of excellence is that it’s built upon the foundation of necessary failure’. I think that this is very true, I remind myself of this every day, when I practise playing my guitar.
I believe in ambition.
SHITTTT I TALKED ABOUT THE SAME QUOTE NICE
I firmly believe that a person can be trained and can achieve skills he wants to develop. If animals and birds are trained by human beings, why can't a human being develop a skill he want. I hate when I hear a sentence like we should accept the fact that we are not gifted with that skills and should not pursue particular thing. ANY PASSIONATE SKILLS CAN BE DEVELOPED. Parenting makes a huge difference.
How well you can do something is controlled by genes.ALL upper human limits are genetically inherited, hence why chimpanzees dont play classical music, or chess, despite having the basic physiology to do both.There are inherent characteristics that determine the tasks ALL animals, including humans are suited to doing.Just because 2 people look similar, doesn't mean anything about their mind or body works the same.
Well, many a person spent their whole life developing some skill passionately, yet in relative terms they never became "good". There will always be others who are superior, alongside those who are average. Most people will never be other than average, regardless of anything that is done or tried.
If Michael Jordan were 5'6 he wouldn't even make it into the NBA. Not everything is achievable with hard work
@@jordanzo7465 No, he wouldn't make the NBA.Thats for sure
mostly because those people spent years learning incorrectly i live in johannesburg in south africa ,many kids and young adults would like to be rappers others are good others are not because of criticism ,the guys who've been rapping for 4 years can't even rhyme perfect rhymes or do nursery rhymes and are either too loud or too low & mostly are off beat and flow is bad the good ones are willing to study hip hop to read the lyrics of other professional rappers to analyze to study poetry & more@@rivenz6
They are people who are born with specific qualities, which can make them succeed at a quicker rate. They are people who have good memory, great hand coordination, and they have incredible focus. I still think practice is more important, you have to keep practicing if you want to get good at what you want to do. You can have a natural talent but still make a ton of mistakes, that's why it's so important to practice at a consistent basis.
Well said
They are people who didn’t have as much access to tv and iPods. They had access to books, instruments, exercise, things that are more intellectual.
The thing is that those "specific qualities" are just that: Qualities. There is no "talent" for basketball or playing piano. There are only specific qualities e.g. great hand coordination that just happen to be of importance to do these things. You can't be naturally gifted for something that doesn't appear in nature. The whole concept of "art" is made up.
The only thing that determines talents is really physical attributes. Height is a huge factor in a lot of sports. It's not everything, you still have to practice to get good at all the skills in that sport, but height might make those skills easier to learn.
Actually your quote is excellent 👌👍❤
it matters HOW you're studying...
Indeed
@@BetterThanYesterday do you have any videos on HOW to study? Do you believe in learning styles?
I personally do think that learning styles do exist, people have different views and opinions on almost everything
Focus (attention) and drive (your why) are also very important.
The WHY is probably the most important factor. Check Simon Sinek!
No it depends on our talent
Corrosive? Well I, for one, think that the very idea of talent is a toxic idea, too. It gives people the idea that if they aren't innately super good at anything, they might as well give up doing anything else than bullshit, robot-worthy jobs, because they don't have "the Talent™". It also give them an excuse and consider creation as way more monolithic and deterministic than it really is. They look at an artist and say "Yeah but it's (kinda) easy, THEY have a talent for that!".
No it's not. It's not easy. It's not fast. It's not even pleasant. It was probably a very rough journey with lots of disillusionment, despair and soul-crushing efforts. If anything, talent is the ability to love the craft IN SPITE of how little gratification you can take from it.
Talent is basically "tenacity with or without results". Of course you will also need a good ability to criticize your own work, or else you won't ever be able to improve. That can be seen as talent too. But people need to stop believing that talent is just a hard cap that you have or don't have.
people determine it's" talent" because it makes it easier for them not to try. I am bad at many things, but I know it's because I don't try hard enough at those things, I don't care about those things, and in my heart, I find those things useless to my journey to success(like directions I'll use Siri, languages I'll use a translator, and math I'll use a calculator). I think people just got to own up to why they are actually bad at things. sometimes it's not about the hard work, but about the love or the mindset to learn the things you are bad at.
@@chocolateicecream6995 I think its a lot to do with passion also if your passionate about something your willing to put more hours and try much harder. So I just tell people that say everything is a talent that they are just passionate, more passionate, and that they should look for their passions.
@@iceman4094 Good way to think about it. Like, some guy could like playing the guitar, and he could've played it for years, but he never takes it seriously. A beginner that is very ambitious and develops a strong passion for the guitar will develop 'faster' simply because he's putting more hours within a smaller frame of time. He's not talented, he just has the mindset and passion to develop his skills.
You won’t reach whatever potential you have if you happen to think there is a ‘hard cap’ to your abilities. That’s true. But there nonetheless IS a hard cap. So let’s not confuse the mindset required to maximise an individual’s potential, with the idea that mindset makes every individual’s ACTUAL potential equal to everyone else’s.
@@plentyofouts That's true, there IS a hard cap and nature, as always, doesn't distribute luck fairly.
But the problem with the talent paradigm is it creates reasons for people to downplay the hard work of so-called talented people, as if everything they achieved is just "because they are lucky enough to be talented in the first place".
More than the hard cap (which is actually super hard to determine because as you grow in skill, you also unlock more branches in your craft, making it a complex ability that isn't easily measured over a single dimension), natural talent has an impact on how easy it is for a person to pickup a new skill. But it really only impacts the early (easy) steps of a skill.
Now, I'm not saying that luck has nothing to do with success. On the contrary, luck is widely underestimated when it comes to success, and you could have more hard-working and better singer/dancers than, say, Michael Jackson that went completely unknown. But this has nothing to do with the "natural" talent of either.
I believe that pre-knowledge of one subject being implemented into another is talent assuming you excel in it. For an example, when I was in elementary school I loved to rollerblade very fast which in return helped me get leverage over other students in 60m dash. Later on when I went to a regional competition and I scored 2nd on the leaderboard a coach who had won many Olympic championships came to me and said "hey, you're talented, would you want to join my training". See what I'm talking about
Yes, this is indeed often the case!
I think what we're missing here is pure love. I mean think of it, if you have something that you naturally love then you're obviously going to put more hours in it. From what I feel, the things you are good at are the things that can express you the most thus, making you naturally incline to trying to 'express' yourself better. Maybe this whole thing (what we do) is a reflection of what we are best. Love is the paint, abilities are the paintbrush and practice as the canvas. You know you can't just overlook the things you love. It just shows who you are as a whole. and when you think of it, everyone has a different way of expressing themselves. This is just my two cents btw. It's different for everyone.
I agree if you love something youll also be more serious at it
That’s true! I can draw if I sit down with a reference and spend a couple hours working at it. I have a realistic drawing of my left hand in my photos but I don’t draw very often and that hand took me three hours. If I sit down and try to draw something from memory or an idea I can’t put it on paper as I don’t practice enough, it is not something I really enjoy... Then there’s music. I love it but I lack discipline and haven’t put the time in, I know that’s why I’m not a higher level than I am. I know that’s why I still struggle with mediocre melodies and why I’m improving at the rate of a snail. I also spread my time between too many tasks. Focus on one thing, give it your all and you’ll be “talented”. I’m the only one in my house that doesn’t believe in natural talent. I believe in passion, intellect, and hard work. I’m sure there are anomalies as with everything but those people typically possess a relatively high IQ level and a friend/relative with an interest in the “talent” I’ve noticed.
So, you're saying, that because put so many hours into studying, and get such great results, and have done so since I was very young, I have a 'pure love' for studying?
Hmm, strange. I thought I absolutely despised it, guess I must be wrong.
I hate studying, yet I have managed to stay a topper throughout my school life with very less amount of time spent in studying.
On the other hand, I love sports and athletics, and yet I am the worst on the field even though I work harder than most of my teammates.
Care to explain?
@Jermaine Yeah man most probably it’s the cause - I have poor hand-eye coordination. I have faced difficulties in sports as well as learning a new instrument or doing something that requires physical skill to some extent.
talent is the ability to improve. the more talent, the higher rate of improvement.
If this is true, then there must indeed be a genetical component to it, other than the video claims
And the ability talent itself can be improved.
Talent cannot even be defined. How come all these talented people only seem to excel at one activity. How many people are world champions at 2 or more sports? Talent is a lot more attractive than hard work. It's the easiest excuse to use when you fail. Oh I didn't put the hours in that I should have.
I do believe in practice, but I seem not to practice enough for whatever reason. Thanks for sharing this.
Thanks for watching :) Acknowledging that you don't practice enough is one of the steps to start practicing more ;)
Practice for sure!) I'm an artist and got used to hear "Oh you're so happy, you're talented") But it was only when I starting making art on a daily basis and profecionally when I realized how unfair it was) Like people don't tell you "Wow , how many hours did you spend, how much efford did you make?", etc) I think it's only some excuse for the majority to explane their underperformance in something) Thanks for your channel!)
A saxophone player here, same thing. Was always called "talented" when every time I actually made some progress I clearly remember I had to get to the point first, then practice what's the point is about, then put some effort to implement it into my style to truly make that point a part of my skill. Kinda hate the word "talent" nowadays, it almost always implies "look how lucky you got at birth, its all luck no skill, we're lazy to even try so we'll pretend we'll never get there even if we try". The only talent there is is genetic stuff like big hands for pianists etc.
I know that practice makes perfect but this information has given a new insight to unlock the latent potentiality within and boost up my confidence that I can be the best with dedicated practice..
Thank you so much...
Thanks for commenting! Good luck :)
One of the best videos on the Internet. It is time that more people nowadays starting to watch such important videos to develop their selves.
Great video - the theory should be inspirational to all! However, it always amazes me from comments how some people 'instinctively' still believe in 'talent' and reference 'natural tendencies' etc. We are ALL products of our upbringing, what our parents/gaurdians do to feed, protect, entertain, challenge and nurture us. This is the early 'practice' that provides so called 'natural tendencies' at young ages. (physical disability or impairment is obviously going to have an impact here), but, we are all born with a blank canvas as babies - Walking. talking, holding a spoon etc is ALL an attained skill through deliberate practice.
These basic abilities go on to influence what we 'like' or prefer to do, and they are normally heavily linked to something that our parents/friends have said we are 'good' at - that leads to more play/practice in that field - drawing, music, baseball,golf, football, maths. If we then start to really enjoy that field, we will do it more and more, and continue to improve - that is the basic process for 'developing' any skills or abilities as a child. After that, the level we achieve comes down to the theory in the video about further extensive particular purposeful training!
However, research shows that deliberate practice/hard work can be done at ANY age - and it still works, you may not become 'world class' or 'elite level', but you can become great, and EVERYONE else will say - 'he/she has got a talent for X' about YOU!
Nick Hough no matter how much somebody is in denial..we are not all on equal level. some ppl are geniuses musical or artistic prodegies atgletic freaks. if someone goes from no talent to putting in insane amout of time and effort to work on their craft they can be be good or even very good but they will not be elite at that particular thing. talent is the foundation that makes ppl truly stand out. hardwork is prerequisite to reach some level of success. when you combine the two is when you see something special.
@@daebak7370 For sports, I somehow agree, for running and swiming for example. For music, you do csn have some sort of tendency in the beginning, that pushes you to practice even more. BUT, once youbreach a certain point, it doesn't matter that much anymore, because the talent that allowed you to "get it" unconsciously will not be sufficient when will come the time to correct your mistakes, you will have to pass on manual mode, and THAT is the greatest of hardships in becoming a professional musician.
i feel the talent like something you really love to do and when you are doing it you are not on autopilot and soo its seems you easier than the others things
Talent is never innate. Read the book “the genius in all of us” and you’ll learn about all the scientific research that points to how talent is truly made.
Nope, the research clearly proves all talent and ability is inborn.All this talk about you could do this and that is total rubbish.Its all useless.Talent is inborn, without it nothing makes any difference.
Those books are always toxic-positivity mumbo jumbo to fool the fool and make money out of him.
Denying the existence of natural talent is denying nature itself.
Talent is innate though, all of the best athletes in the world throughout history through different types of sports couldn't have been the best unless they had talent as well. It's just a fact that for whatever reason, some people are naturally better than others when it comes to some things that require physical and/or mental exertion.
Take Usain Bolt for example, the reason why he was the fastest in the world was because of talent due to being physically gifted of having longer leg strides during his sprints. I'm sure every athlete trained just as hard as him if not harder and used whatever training it took to maximize their potential, but it ultimately seems that Bolt was invincible in terms of raw speed due to his natural talent of running fast.
Some degree of talent is required if you want to be the best at anything, but most of the time talent is worthless if one doesn't put in the work to maximize its potential.
Life changing lesson to the people underestimate themselves by comparing relatively with those so called talented.
I believe talent does exist... But it's not a guarantee for success. Natural talent is great and all, and you might improve faster than someone without talent, but it's worthless if you don't put in the work to improve upon it. Practicing something will inevitably make you improve, talent might make you see results faster, but at the end of the day, regardless of talent or not, you will be better than you were before you started. Talent is a base, hard work and consistent practice is what will push the people who use it to go further than people with talent. Don't worry about being talented or not, just focus on improving and being better than you were when you started.
Any so-called "talent" can be traced back to good physical or cognitive abilities which isn't talent. You can't be "naturally gifted" for sports, music, art or science since those things don't appear in nature and were all made up by human beings. If LeBron James grew up in the rain forest he would be considered "naturally gifted" for hunting due to his physical and cognitive skills which are based on his genetics.
@@bluepearl_22 Those physical and cognitive skills based on genetics are a talent, which can be applied to many areas, natural or human-invented.
@@bluepearl_22My sister has never practice singing but still she has most beautiful voice and i didn't learn to write stories or poem but still i can write a beautiful poem and stories, is it not a innate talent or genetic factors playing role than what else is responsible for this very unpracticed qualities???
“I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times.”
Bruce Lee
Basically its 10.000 WEAK techniques and 1 POWERFUL STRONG technique
Unfortunately that concept doesn't work in the real world
The most wrong quote of all time 💀
If u put it too the test a man who knows 10’000 kicks would be better then someone who did one kick 10k times since both of there legs would be equally as strong since they trained just as hard as eachother so at that point it’s just 1 kick vs 10 thousand
That's it,, I'm done,, it's too late,, the world porbably gonna end or I gonna die first before I can achieve something,,,
At least you are a talented pessimist. How many hours of practice do you have in that field?
@@hansdegroot8549 enough to know that naive optimists are fucking retarded
@@yoruichixx6951 you are so right, what the fuck
I was one of those kids who was bored during math classes because it was too easy for me. Never did homework in my life. At the same time, there were girls in our class who simply can't get it, despite doing all the homework and putting a lot of efforts. If you study people at music and sports schools you already study the talented ones. Why on earth will you go to the special school if you have no inclination whatsoever? For ordinary school kids who had no chance to choose what to study the story would be completely different. The study regarding the music school simply shows that people who have a talent and are hard-working at the same time performing better than people who only have talent. Kinda obvious.
if a "math gene" existed then an orangutan would be able to solve basic math questions
Remember that humans are animals too
This reminds of something that happened to me. Throughout my childhood my brothers knew how to whistle well enough and i didnt. Then when I got older, one day I just decided to start practcing every time of the day I could, and in a few months i could whistle very very well.I still practice whistling at every opportunity i get and now u can whistle any song i want, so its pretty cool
Very good video. In math, intuition is important, but you also have to be able to focus selectively on information and follow-up with analytical thinking to solve problems.
Talent exists, if not, we would have had 300 Da Vincis each generation. Work is important, but talent also moves you above everyone else.
Talent exists when it comes to athletics. I don’t think I could run or train hard enough to ever run a 4.3 40 yard dash. That kind of speed you have to be born with good genes. I trained harder than anyone else on my football team and was a good player, but has physical limitations, I wasn’t 250 lbs nor would I ever be. And I was fast but not 4.3 fast
Yea, i feel the same way. I think the right saying should be "Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard". The way i see it, is that you can reach success with hard work alone but not talent alone, however, when you are talented and you work hard, the sky becomes the limit, so this is the way i view talent, you can reach the top of the mountain with hard work alone but only those with talent can go beyond the top of the mountain and reach the sky, in short, they become one of the best in whatever they do, world class shall i say, now this analogy is very important, because talent alone cannot take you to the top of the mountain, in order to go beyond into the sky, one must first reach the mountain first then their talent takes them beyond into the sky. (which means hard work is a must) Some examples are muhammed ali, micheal jordan, the funny thing is, these people are extremely talented but they also work extremely hard, there are many people who work just as hard as ali or micheal jordan but just cannot get to their level because they aren't born with the talent, same goes to those that are just as talented as micheal jordan, ali, mike tyson but don't work as hard as they do, so they never reach their full potential, in short, without talent the best you can be is good, with talent the best you can be is GREAT, but only if you combine your talent with hard work, if you wanna be great, you need both.
Your physical phenotype is really the only thing that is related to talent. Luckily, there are plenty of things that aren't related to your physical phenotype.
Maybe now, but what if your parents started you on the optimal diet from 1 year old, and you had been working towards running then. Do you think you'd be able to make that time? Would you then be considered talented then?
@@Tunde....Ballack As for the sprinting, no. Elite sprinters and other power athletes have an abundance of type 2x muscle fibres, and you’re either born with them or you’re not. With training, fast-twitch (power) fibres can turn into slow-twitch (endurance) fibres, but it doesn’t happen in the other direction. (Source: human physiology degree).
@@livinthemind86 Well I won't argue specifics since it's not my area of specialization, but are you saying a new born today is born with this muscle fibre? and it doesn't change, increase or develop over their lifetime depending on how they live their life?.
I can understand things like someone born with a bone condition or a heart condition being unable to become a sprinter, I always like to ask this, would you then say that person is not talented because of that physical limitation, because your statement is actually the opposite way of that.
I feel and have experienced the same thing- all practice is not equal.
If this is true, all elites would be the same, like basketball, baseball, ect.
“Mere experience, if it is not matched by deep concentration, does not translate into excellence.”
Let us first define "talent"
Talent: refers to one's natural aptitude. however we never actually measure our natural aptitude. we measure our artificial aptitude.
Artificiall Aptitude: is simply in the simplest way, Unnatural Aptitude, one where there're other factors applied to one's aptitude, not just your natural aptitude.
What affects our Artificial Aptitude? It's experience and foundation. Having played quite a lot of FPS games will make you progress fast in a new FPS game, that your progress would look abnormally fast.
Having learned Arts skills makes one more creative more able to interpret, and when we write we do it better, and also progress faster.
Having prior experience to a certain field, then taking a break and progress other fields on other fields that either directly or indirectly affects the certain field that you desire to progress, will make one's development faster, it's not simply progress. it's progress on-top of your skill in that field "catching-up" to your other fields of skill.
I believe in hard and smart work. Hard and smart work makes you talented and famous. Because, Hard work beats talent if talent doesn't work hard. 😊
This just gave me hope again
same
For me, talent is just a matter of perspective. There are close to infinite variables that make us the way we are and the way we think, it's just having a sufficient amount of encouragement and discouragement that we have towards a certain field. In some cases, talent is defined as having a better physique or genetics, where a person is given the potential of having a better chance of being better than others. That's basically how far talent goes, where talent is merely a multiplier or a head start that is given to you throughout or in the future after you were born.
Yeees, sure is practice, and I loved the video. But we see some natural tendences in kids, before the practice begins. We see that some, with no theory or trying before, suddenly surprise us with a skill for acting, singing, dancing, painting or whatever. In Robert Greene's book, "Mastery", he also explains about this natural tendency, and I guess, by the terms we usually refer to, it can be called talent. And we also know that there are many different forms of inteligence, in different activities and areas. But I don't really think people can achieve something relevant only by talent or intelligence, practice is always the most important
Thats not talent its interest
yeah and then some 3 year old in a diaper walks out on stage and plays the guitar like a pro
Care to share some proof of this 3 year old in a diaper, that can play the guitar like a pro? :)
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This is not world class performance. Child prodigies amaze us, because we compare them not with other performers who have practiced for the same length of time, but with children of the same age, who have not dedicated their lives in the same way. I'll make a video about this soon :)
Still it is quite advanced for his age. Kids usually only start learning at his age, so I see a big future for the boy. If he spends enough time practicing, of course.
Well I can say after watching your videos that your surely on a good way to become an influential speaker someday
Hoping to see u at that place😃😃😃
This is excellent. Thank you.
I hate the world "talent". It discourages a lot of people, it destroys potencially rewarding career paths.
Especially in fields like music or mathematics, there is this thinking, that you "just have it" or not. Forget that, if you wanna do it, do it. Work hard, you will get better and better. And by practising a lot, we train our brain and develop skills, we perhaps would have never thought to be able to.
To me, genes do play a role but ultumately it's all hardwork and practice that stand out. Genes should just be thought as an advantage and the only factor for success is hard work
Talent outguns hard work by miles....
If a student doesn’t have a spatial intuition for something abstract as differential forms, no matter how hard he tries, he will never get passed a solely formal idea of what he is dealing with, thus will be unable to enhance the subject.
...wow, I've never considered the idea that not all practice is equal...
talent is to be able to work hard with concentration
When I was 14, I'd get annoyed when people commented on my "talent" for playing the flute. "I don't believe in talent," I'd say, "Anyone could do it if they practiced." I'm glad the science is there to back up my inner child who still wants to scream at people who call me "talented".
You had talent, talent is nothing without hard work for sure but you had potential to get good at the flute and you worked hard to reach your potential. That is talent, my friend. Not everyone can be as good as you.
Isn't hardwork itself a talent? :P
based on wikipedia, talent means (someone who has) a natural ability to be good at something, especially without being taught: and this shit is bullshit!!!!! its all hardwork
@@labradog05 it does exist. You do see some prodigies who play extremely well when they've never really practiced before like Messi who had incredible abilities at like 4 that's definitely talent. Of course if you don't work hard to polish your talent you're not making it to professional lvl but saying that talent doesn't exist is simply stupid "hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard"
@@agl4044 so basically. Talent doesn't exist , everything is hardwork. Talents that u can have when born are having a good voice. Having a tall height. Having a long leg. Having a big arm. And those are not even talent. Those are genetics
@@labradog05 did you read my comment? I said some people are already extremely good at what they do before even starting to practice and we see it at very young age. But without training they're not gonna make it because talent makes that practice easier for you but most of the success is gonna come from your hard work. Talent is like what separates good players from great players just like Cristiano Ronaldo said
AGL talent is simply a head start
As practice is crucially important, but talent is there screaming loudly even in the animations you put in your video. For instance the guy who was carrying weight in your animation would practice and suffer way less if he was lean body than other child who is over weight because of his genes or because of his hormones. Violinist who have better fine motor muscles will need way less practice to get better results than someone who have cerebral palsy for instance. Or dyslexic people who cannot read but they are genius artists. Even patience to practice is talent, memory is talent, musical memory is talent, passion is talent. My friend talent is a physical, mental , psychological ability guided by someone genes, environment and experience. Saying that people have same abilities is merely simplify things and put people who are unable under a huge pressure. Einstein once said everyone is genius but don't judge the fish by not being able to climb a tree make
Well said, I agree with you. I think that initial talent give some people a head start and for some more than for others. Hard work can however compensate for the lack of initial talent. But, the question is, is it worth all the work? For most people the answer is no, so that's why those who have initial talent often are those who put in a lot of exercise to get even better at what they're doing.
Being lean does not equal being stronger. It's usually the other way around and fat people are stronger. So people with cerebral palsy are considered untalented, because of their DEFICIENCY? So that makes everyone without the disease a talented individual? Again with dyslexia. Does having it make you UNTALENTED?
By your logic being normal makes you "more talented" and having a deficiency makes you "talented"? I guess I just have more talent, because I can play the piano and have five fingers on each hand, while some pianist has only four and can't play as well. Deficiency =/= Untalented
"Even patience to practice is talent, memory is talent, musical memory is talent, passion is talent." - Quoting you - All this can be developed.
"Saying that people have same abilities is merely simplify things." - Quoting you again - Where did he say people have the same abilities? He even acknowledged that there is initial skill, which is JUST INITIAL.
Opinion discarded.
You missed the point there. They will be less talented or better said able because of ther deficiencies. They still can be great mathematicians, singers ect.
He literally said in one sentence that they may be unable to read but can at the same time be artistic geniuses.
You missed the point. Talent, does not equal normal. Not talented, does not equal deficient.
Inherited physical aptitude is not talent, what you call talent is IQ plain and simple, is someone is "smarter" than you by applying in the same field with the same physical traits with someone else who is less "smart" will come out on top. In other words talent intelligence applied to a particular field, obviously practice and will and devotion have a massive role.
so the message is "its ok we are all mediocre people"... talent exist that's a reality, but lazy talent will be surfaced with hard work... hard working talent is another level...
From what I've observed talent in some attributes definitely exists, such as in memory. But effort can definitely compensate to some degree.
Yes because Ive spent hours a week doing math for the last two months and I’m becoming more proficient. I have no talents only the hope that something will come out of this studying.
I think there are a lot of factors that can contribute to what we call talent. Having perfect pitch, for example. Or exceptional memory. Or perhaps being synesthetic. All of these have a strong genetic component. While you can argue about whether talent per se is genetic, some contributing factors definitely are. Also, what about savantism? Does innate talent play a role in that?
Yes it does
Very good point, I think its a lot more complex than this video suggests unfortunately. That's not to say hard work doesnt pay off, of course it does. Either way, I believe we all have some sort of purpose and everyone has a natural talent that they should put that hard work into.
@@Name-bn3vo well then im a really f*cked up human because literally everything im good was incredibly hard to do at first, i adamantly refuse to believe talent exists because if it does i dont have it anyways so it doesn't matter
@@cowboyslime3615 Gimme some of your confidence and belief so that I can get rid if my inferiority complex 😣
I love the example you bring up because it shows you're 100% wrong, and that's a good thing.
A study was done a few years back, and by the end of the study, children who didn't have perfect pitch before had learned it. The study showed that it is NOT genetic.
Same with memory. There are lots of studies that show that memory can be improved and degraded depending on the activities you do. The studies pretty much agree that it is NOT genetic.
What kind of stuff is genetic? Mostly physical, phenotypical attributes. Your health is about half genetics, half lifestyle choices. Your height is part genetics, part nutrition. That's the kind of stuff affected by genetics.
I knew how to draw since 3rd grade (furthest memory i have with drawing). Ever since i been drawing for fun, I never took it seriously, no competition, other than me getting jealous of people in my class with good skills. But i dont know if i should use those skills for a living or just a hobby. i drew the same things over and over again. Soon people began to think i was obsessed with it. Truthfully, i wasnt i just enjoyed drawing it. I asked one of my family members who took care of me since i was born they said i was horrible at it. I wondered how i got these skills. Should i be proud that people call it skill not talent?
I mean, maybe you werent horrible at it. Maybe you were good taking into consideration the average skill level of the people of your age at the time, but "horrible" if you compare with what true beautiful drawing is. I dont know what kind of effect that family member was looking for when he told you that, but that was a terrible statement
Use then, I did the sane when I was you age
Talent is real, and people are talented
All will train, yes, but not all will improve at the same rate. Talented people find it fun training more and more, but non talented people easily give up.
What science can explain a 3 years old child(search DJ ark junior )already being a DJ with no education, what time did he train
What you are saying is like training a fish to climb a tree.
Please don't ever say such again, do you research about most of the great people in the world.
Being talented doesn't mean you won't train
Also, going deeper, violin EXISTS since we defined what it was, as well as music theory… If there was a factor that made you better at violin it wouldn’t be called in your human database of talents a “good in violin” but something related to maybe capacity on focusing on the music and execution at the same time. Since music, arts and theater are mere formats and adaptations in the practical part of what art could be, talent becomes as ambiguous as Astrology… I believe that it all comes down to childhood, the very first things you absorb as a sponge, which are not just “inputs and stimuli” but different ways of putting aspects of the world in your way of mechanizing and connecting them to the rest. Most artists that become good in an instrument become also very “good” in all other arts, because all the formats touch the same areas, even science, which can expand so much the artistic flexibility that there is no real limit to their skills IN our world. This comment IS to contrary the basic idea of something being constructed step by step, YES, of COURSE it is, but there are people that become faster at something from how they have experienced the world, we are all different, right?
I can draw simply because I really want to draw and I draw every single day almost through out the day back then.
I think there are many factors. But maybe the essence of incorporating a skill is BELIEVING YOU CAN.
For example, if a kid is seen as a talented person in some activity, then he will grow up with that belief, with expectations and hope from other people, all wich will push him to be the best, and will also have the effect of making his mind believe he is talented, so he will naturally do the activity with ease. Whereas when a person is tagged as non talented in some activity since is a kid, then he well grow up with such a nonsense belief, that will make him feel he is useless, and then this will make him not trying to dl it, or even will make him try doing the activity but then blocking himself whit his own negative emotions about his skills. Or, even worse, he will see his false lack of talent as a part of his identity (and so the other people).
And because this person doesn't even try, then maybe when he must perform that activity due to a test, then, after not having trained himself in the activity, will not get results and will continue tagging himself as non talented. It is a vicious circle.
I deeply believe mind is the very basis of our lifes. So first look at it, try to identify your emotions and thoughts, and realize how they are strongly responsible for your life results, either good ones and bad ones.
There are more things to mention about skills, but again, I think the essence of being successful IS BELIEVING YOU CAN BE. Then the other necessary things will naturally come, like hard work, or even talent... Because when you believe you can, then your mind starts to work more efficiently and will make much easier things (which you will maybe perceive as talent) .... Whereas if you do not trust in your potential, then your mind will not be at his 100% because she will unconsciously make you be coherent with your beliefs.
Have a look on Polgar sisters amazing history, btw.
Talent exist, saying that it doesn't just to make others fell better is dump
if you take 100 people, give them 10,000 hours of training on anything from guitar to being a fighter pilot or baseball pitcher, they will not all be at the same level, some will have a knack for it and be very very good
As explained in the video, it takes 10,00 hours of deliberate practice :)
yeah, but again if you give 10,000 hours of training to 100 people to do some certain task, some will do it better because they have a knack for it. Whitney houston was belting out notes at age 12 that grown ups cant do, not because she practiced for 10,000 hours, but because she practiced an ability she already had a knack for
As it was said in the video, the results will be almost identical. The research that was done is quite extensive. This is also not my opinion. I'm just bringing the viewers in this short video, the data that was being gathered by the researchers for over a decade. I'm not trying to deny that talent doesn't exist - it might. But so far the studies have proven it otherwise. If any actual research comes forth that it does exist, I will definitely post it. :)
@@spacecatboy2962 that's not a skill, that's basically saying if your tall that's a skill or if you were born stronger you have talent. Genetics influence your physical attributes but almost everyone can sing you just have to practice now u won't sound like Whitney Houston but I will sound like your self and that's unique lol but u just have to find ur vocal range and master it
Well how does the research explain phonomenon of Mozart, for example? Was he the only one to practice deliberately for 10 000 hours in his time? How many hours had he practiced before he wrote his first pieces for orchestra? How many 5-year-old composers of baroque music does the research count? I spent over 10 000 hours practicing the piano but I'm not even a lightyear close to the talent of Mozart, or Rachmaninoff or Lizt.
I've never heard of somebody mastering anything without working hard for it. What I do see however, are child "prodigies" that never grew up to get better than they were 5. It seems practice makes perfect, and being perfect cannot replace practice.
Thank you for BTY for this awesome video & nice presentation ❤❤❤
You should make a video on Wilma Rudolph... She wasn't born "lucky" at all... But went on to become the greatest runner...
THANKKKK YOUUUUU❤️
I was always afraid to follow my dreams coz i believed i had no talent
There is one phenomenally strong argument which makes it VERY likely that talent is really „only“ the ability to delay gratification.. and this is the fact that it’s proven that even the most attractive women in the world date the men with best ATTITUDE and not those with the presumably „best“ genes.
In other words: a man who was at the button and worked his way to the top by overcoming obstacle after obstacle often has more attraction power than men who seem to be top all their life. It’s because there is (almost) no one who was top to begin with. And in science we are getting more and more hints that badass attitudes translate to badass genes over time and NOT the other way around.
Your videos are really inspirational...
Keep it up and make more videos...
God bless you...
im really sure talent exists in my opinion or from at least from what i saw from being around artists. people must practice first to get that amount of talent that puts them in the category "world class" and then they will start tweaking it and make it theirs making their own style and the natural ones, the one with better/more unique sense or taste, have the upper hand. im not sure about other stuff because it really does differ depending on what type of talent we are talking about but from what i can see my point from above really affects art.
Since I can remember and throughout my entire high school career I was told by literally everyone that I have a "natural gift" for drawing. As an adult I can confidentially say that my "talent" is rooted in my early exposure to/obsession with Disney growing up.
What about running? Yeaa that ones more genes than violin playing
Well, of course, but I think he was speaking about any type of performance who doesn't require a physical gift. But, for that, you have to consider than, more often than not, the amount of hours you put in sports while we're young affects your body for the rest of your life. But I agree with your point, physical innate attributes do matter in certain cases, especially in cardio sports
Talent is better than hard work no doubt. But if a talented person, don't work as hard as the hardworker, the hardworker dominates him. Perseverance plays a big role in life and building personality!
You can't have "natural talent" for something that doesn't appear in nature. LeBron James wasn't "born" for basketball. He just has great physical and cognitive qualities that just happen to be favorable for excelling in that sport. There are MMA experts who say that he's naturally gifted for fighting. If he grew up in the rain forest, he'd be considered naturally gifted for hunting.
I do believe in talent. You can practice all you want, you aren’t making it to NBA, sorry to rain on your parade :) same with other “trainings”. Just the very simple task that doesn’t require talent you can succeed in by training hard.
Go train and become a rocket scientist when you are far from smart with IQ of a 100, cannot ever memorize the square root of 100 but truly believe in what your video says.
Let me know how it goes. Haha
You are right about manual repetition that mostly has nothing to do with talent. Anyone can do it. Anything above that requires talent.
Talent exits. It's a special individual trait that u are born with that NOBODY else can have...... I've personally see two pianists go head to head (One went to A LOT of piano lessons and the other just played it for fun and was a bit rusty). The guy that DIDN'T play it as often as the other COMPLETELY DESTROYED the other guy, making a complete fool of him. So that shouldn't even be a question, you can even look at the music industry.... some musicians have certain capabilities that other CAN'T DUPLICATE NO MATTER HOW HARD THEY WANT TO WORK AT MASTERING THEIR SKILLS.
That's it
This is really sharp observation. Paradoxically, this is something which is left out in most studies, your point is excellent.
Talent is an ability to learn a skill in a short period of time in a competitive environment. I believe that talent and time practicing a skill are two different things. Regardless of research was done so far. There is a huge difference between when you are 30 years old and 80 years old in achieving your goal. When you are 40 and have your talent expressed, you will have time to enjoy it. When you are 80 years old you have sweated and busted yourself twice longer than some who is 40. Trust me going through the hardship twice longer is a serious toll on your health. Michelangelo achievement in his 20's v.s Colonel Harland Sanders in his 60's (KFC founder) is a huge difference.
Please note I am not saying that you should stop working hard. I am myself busting my back on overdrive. Also, having faith and ambition helps.
Then how's Talent different from Genius?
It does boil down to practice but not a 10,000 hour metric. Talent can be learned much faster with great teachers and/or methods. To the extent that talent exists, perhaps it exists as passion or some other drive toward mastery, if not the mastery itself. As such talent doesn't always manifest skill, when the goal changes before it is realized.
Basically, the theory of evolution.
But, as it is with evolution there still are individuals who are better by nature on some things. Yeas, no one reaches excellence by pure talent, but one can not deny that some people have more initial talent than others.
The thing about initial skill is that's all it is. Initial. I'm not denying it. But if two individuals have the same opportunities, they can both reach the same level of a skill. :)
Yeas, but some people need to struggle a lot more than others to reach the same skill. Say for example people with dyslexia or other disadvantages compared to those who have a different type of mind. The same goes for other body functions, some people have a larger advantage than others. So, it's not only about how much commitment you put into it, there are also other variables. I think this experiment needs to be on a larger scale before we can conclude anything more solid about it. Something seems to be missing in the analysis.
Boris Babic What do you mean something is missing? In sports like basketball, height is obviously a factor. If you're 5 feet tall, you obviously won't be playing in NBA. But if you're lucky enough to be sufficiently tall, success or failure will depend on how much practice you put in. Take two individuals who are the same height, but one is better than the other. Would you say that particular individual is just born with the talent for basketball?
I wasn't against the theory that hard work is more important than initial advantages. I was against the theory that roughly equal amount of hard work is the only thing that differs between people with high skills and no skills in one area of expertise. That is simply not true, one's initial advantages (= talent) plays a certain part in how easily one will develop skills in a certain area of expertise.
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Darn! My age is working against me. Am no longer a young person. Ten years to master something wouldn't give me long to enjoy it.
Powerlifting is a sport you can conquer quickly if you have talent and train it correctly.
I can encourage someone probably with this one.I play football for almost 3 years now, and in the beginning, I didn’t know the best how to dribble lets say, all I knew is like running with the ball, but some rolls, step overs and another skills I didn’t know how to do when I play. I practiced that, and now I’m really good at it, I use rolls, stepovers and etc. When I play 1v1 with my boyfriend, I use a lot of skills and my ball control is really good. The same story for juggling, 2 years ago, I would really hard juggle 30 and only with my right leg… sometimes I even asked myself WHY I CAN’T DO THIS GOOD or I’LL NEVER JUGGLE GOOD and how I practiced it sometimes, guess what? My new record is 515, and I beated it this summer, and I even juggle almost as freestylers. So yea, we should never give up because, our weaknesses can become our strenghts 😁
same here I couldnt juggle to 10 or 20 so I practiced a lot then practiced with a lot of other things in football, now I'm a good player.
@@ellis1469 yesss! Keep going, thats amazing 😄
In which high tier team do you play?
I believe in Talent, but it's something that will only aid you early on. If there is an improvement wall, you will hit it too, albeit sonner then the majority. After that is all about hard work.
Talent exists in my opinion. But what it is is more interest + physical and mental attributes + the ability to self learn.
Coaching definitely helps but most of the progress is done by the individual.
I agree that it exists, but that's based mainly on intuition, and a few examples. Now take some exceptional mathematicians like Terence Tao. I really think that they have talent (and that is an understatement).
talent is those who make leaps and bounds when they do whatever it is they are doing.
Everyone remembers from Phys Ed that some kids are just way better at sports, but one does wonder how much practice at sports in general they have had. That said, even with significant practice, my best sustained speed running for distance was still over 6 minutes per KM. I'm not going to be a great runner, but interestingly, with relatively little effort I am able to shoulder a natural stone weighing about 240 lb, something I doubt most men at 35 could do. I can get better at both, but while I could maybe be a strongman with hours of practice, I won't ever be considered a fast runner for distance, because I'm not built for it.
Mental based abilities interestingly DO improve very significantly with practice, because practice changes the brains. This is why you need lots of practice over a very long period of time, your brain is literally adapting, and likely is growing in certain regions. This is also why said practice occurring during childhood is so valuable, because the brain adapts faster and to a greater degree.
Physical qualities aren't based on "talent" they're based on favorable genetics. Otherwise, boys would generally be considered more talented at sports than girls.
(Borrowed from a comment on another video)
Here’s how I think of it. Everyone has a dominant and a nondominant hand. It feels natural to write with your dominant hand, you don’t have to force anything in order to do it. Of course you’re not born knowing how to write, and you have to work at it if you want to make calligraphy or just have better handwriting, but you can do it because of that natural feeling. If you try with your nondominant hand, it feels unnatural and you have to force it. To me, making yourself do something you’re not talented in is like trying to make calligraphy with your nondominant hand. For most people, it’s going to be so frustrating that they become demotivated because they’re just not getting much return no matter how hard they try. If you try to make calligraphy with your dominant hand however (i.e. do something you have a natural predisposition for), of course you have to work hard, but it feels more natural to do it and you get more of a return for the work you put in.
Perhaps the difference between the violin students is that those with the highest natural ability _wanted_ to put in the extra practice because it felt natural to do so, and they got more of a return for their work.
Your dominant hand is only dominant because that's the hand you've put more hours into deliberate practice with.
@@jacobjensen7704 No. Multiple ultrasound studies have shown that we’re born with our hand dominance.
@@livinthemind86 and yet there are people who learn to switch their dominant hand.
This video is a gem
1.Talent+study+practis=master of*.... .
2. No talent+hard study+deep practis=master of*.... .
The evidence has shown that there is enormous variation in skill development between individuals, for the same amount/type of training.In fact, talented individuals usually attain very high levels of proficiency within 2 years of training onset.Less talented individuals are still poor performers after 10 years.There is no correlation, at all, between practice and proficiency.Given identical training regimes, 2 people with often differ in the number of hours required to reach a given milestone, by a full order of magnitude, I.e one often has to practice 10 times longer to achieve the same thing.
All those wolrd renown artists should feel offended when people say " God gave you that talent" hahahah
That Sounds like they Never had to struggle and got everything for free.
Thay say that about me , and I say : "13 years in this bullshit and you are calling this talent! , this is skill!"
@@nickwhright5848 That means Einstein is Einstein, Mozart is Mozart, Picasso is Picasso... and they are not equal to 10 years of practice. This statement sounds ridiculous! Where did Mozart practice when he was doing things he does when he is only 4 years old for example!?!?!? what about Einstein and so on?!?!? Can you do anything like these guys does with only 10 years of practice?
@@muminhn1002 exactly
I believe talent is a natural inclination to things because you are drawn to it. Some people love blank, subconsciously their brain will pick up anything related to blank. it will be easier to digest concepts because blank is in their head all day. It's really all about interest and putting in the work. I guess it's a question of how much of an interest you have of it. when you are so obsessed with something you will do everything you can to find how to do something whether someone tells you or not, whether you have access to it or not, or if you have support or not.
So the only reason I’m not Mozart is the lack of hours put in? Forget the fact that perfect pitch is not an acquirable skill. It can’t be learned. Forget the fact that Mozart was DEAD by age 35. He spent less time at his craft than the average hack who may dedicate 70 plus years to their craft and obviously still not get remotely close to the body and quality of work that the likes of a Mozart did. The uncomfortable truth is that people are not remotely equally endowed when it comes to specific endeavours like composing, playing an instrument, golf, swimming, fine art, football, boxing, literature etc...A lifetime of ‘hard work’ can pretty much guarantee mediocrity as a minimum goal for basically everybody, no matter their starting point. I think that’s probably true. But the idea that anybody can excel to all time world class standards at anything by sheer will of ‘hard work’ is delusional nonsense. If I’m 5’1 with one arm, and my all consuming dream is to be a hall of fame basketball player in the NBA. My work ethic won’t be the proximate cause of my inevitable failure.
Mother nature has not read the declaration of independence that all men are created equally - Will Durant
I am grateful for this video. Thank you for these facts and for the motivation
Some people are more obsessed and driven with learning or improving at a certain thing than others. That drive is talent. I for one I'm pretty much the opposite of that and never really achieved anything special but I don't care either. WIsh I was obsessed like a savant
Disagree. That "drive" isn't talent. It's rather a combination of subjective interests, parental/environmental influence and positive reinforcement. The only reason why LeBron James is one of the greates basketballers in history can be traced back to these factors. If he were born on an island far away from American or even Western culture he would never develop the "talent" for basketball. He would just be a normal person with good physical genes (that just happen to be of benefit to that sport). You can apply that to pretty much anything.
It wouldn’t be a stretch to say talent could be genetic. Why don’t you have perfect pitch? The artistic ability of Michaelangelo? The incentive ability of Leonardo Da Vinci. By using extremes we can see there is unexplained variation of ability among different people that isn’t because of hard work alone.
Talent does not exist and it is a stupid concept. Talent is just a word for luck. If everyone in your family is good at piano and you are good at it too, you are not talented you are lucky. Skill and luck are the only things that exist. I hate it when people call other people talented because they didn't get to that level because of talent (because it doesn't exist, it is just luck), they got there because of skill and nothing else.
Some people are natural born talent at certain things, but will stay at amateur or good level if they don’t work on it to make it a high level skill they will stay stuck there
How can you be a "natural born talent" at things that usually don't appear in nature? There are MMA experts who say that LeBron James was born for fighting. If he grew up in the rain forest he'd be considered naturally gifted" for hunting. The truth is that LBJ has great physical and cognitive qualities that just happen to be favorable for excelling at basketball or MMA or hunting. Those are based on his genetics, not talent.
Thank you 😢❤️
I hate it when people tell me "you're so talented", "I'll never be as good as you because I lack talent". BULL. HECKING. SHIT. I practiced like crazy, I gave my specialty my whole life and you say it's "TALENT"? Get outta here.
I can relate to you. I used to be bad at maths, but then I started studying it a lot more. After that people would tell me that I am "naturally good" at it and that I have a "talent" for it. In reality, I just spent hundreds (could be even at least a thousand) of hours solving hard math problems, trying to understand what I was studying, and watching thousands of videos.
@@kaiden0s same for me with foreign languages and vocals. Talent is a very invalidating word.
If you dont believe in talent you never played a sport. Sport is where 80% is hard working and is at max decent. And the 20% is pure talent who is half slacking but is the best on thier team. If a person with talent works hard they will become pro. Thats it nothing more to it
Disagree. Those 20% aren't talent. They are a combined product of subjective interests, parental/environmental influence and positive reinforcement. You can't be "naturally gifted" for any sport cause sports doesn't appear in nature since it's a concept made up by human beings. Sports is making a game out of physical activities which require hard work and favorable genetics.
actually talent DOES determine to succeed. Many people would turn to advices on how to turn their failure into success by watching/reading/listening to what people who made it in life would say to do so. Only a few people would succeed while most would stay down. The few would do the same until the vicious cycle continues and we'll get more people who fail while less and less succeeding. It's never about the advices. It's about being born with it. The sooner we accept how truly uncomfortable it is, the sooner we'd stop wasting our time practicing for a dream we'd lose more than we'd gain when acheived. I've failed a lot in life and i tried learning from my failures but they all kelpt piling up until you can no longer just learn but dibilitate you completely. It's never about the mentality, the strategy, or which method. It's about being born with certain genetic traits on a uniformed environment that has random factors that will either determine success or failure similar to that of being in the wild. If i was in the wild, i would've been eaten already and however got the better out of me first would advance and progress. this "positive" thinking is lethal and only the smartest predators would use this to their advantage. these videos need to stop and people need to stop looking for something to pat their backs with. there's always either another path to succeed where your success is without fail or stop trying and focus on survival. the more people would seek "help" from "motivational speakers" and whatnot, the more we are giving them the satisfaction of being a predator.
Better than yesterday, I dream of becoming an Rnb and pop singer. I wanted to know if the difference between the 10,000-hour system for a violinist and a Pop or Rnb artist, is the example of 10,000 hours also valid for Pop or Rnb singers as a violinist?
This was very interesting. I agree that there is no talent, but can you really learn anything? I think you can only learn things well that you really want to learn.
Yeah if you train hard at a certain sport you learn if you have the skills to be great. I practiced for soccer and learned I was talnted at striker. Out of instinct I would score on people through their legs or just shot without looking at the net and I would score.
I have a question: Is having a very deep imagination since you are a toddler, a talent or a skill ?
Because I have a very big and detailed imagination since I am two years old. I was already able to create stories with sense and deep characters even if I was bad at writing. You could give one word and I was able to make a whole story very quickly about this word.
But nobody taught me how to use imagination. It was just natural for me, every time I am using my imagination. So I wonder if this is a talent or a skill ?
I’ve felt the same way my whole life, that’s a gift, and we all have one. But you have to harness it
@@BadMouth6454 "we all have one"
No we don't.
Practice makes perfect!
For me it's a 50/50 thing. Though I must agree that talent are not really inhereted from parents. It comes from our Creator. I could already carry a tune at 1 year old before I could talk according to my mom who is not a good singer herself. But I didn’t become a world class singer because I did not spend all my time just singing. I had other things in my life like studies and household chores to attend to.
I completely agree !! But what about child prodigies? Doesn't genetics play a role here at all?
They just practiced as children i doubt they are simply born a prodigy
@@AaronLaZox no, they definately are born that way.Their brains are totally wired different from birth, based on brain scans of people who became prodigies
@@AaronLaZox so a 5 year old who can sing as good or better than someone in their 30s or older is not considered talented? the adults had way more time to practice so why can the children who only been alive for so little time able to achieve same?
its called talent.
@@7svn. I agree that hard work is important. But I hate talent deniers, they are just in copium.
@@7svn. Not really, these child prodigies get high level dedicated training. Did you watch the video? Not all practice is equal. and even when you do the same practice, not everyone learns the same, people internalize things differently, some might understand the true purpose of the practice and grasp the key point faster, others might not, but the instant they are taught in a way that they understand this point, also start to get better.
Some things once missed in early childhood development becomes not impossible but a lot harder to learn from scratch depending on the time you start in adulthood.
What you described is just ability = talent, you're good so you're talented.
You can't really study for an IQ test