Does Talent Exist? Is Talent Just Hard Work? (animated)
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- Опубликовано: 12 июл 2017
- Are you talented? Or could it be that you're just hard working?
The talent myth is built on the idea that innate ability, rather than practice, is what ultimately determines whether we have it within us to achieve excellence. This is a corrosive idea, robbing individuals of the incentive to transform themselves through effort.
In 1991 Anders Ericsson, a psychologist at Florida State University conducted the most extensive investigation ever undertaken into the cause of outstanding performance. He was looking for "talent". The funny this is, he couldn't find any.
His subjects - violinists at the renowned Music Academy of West Berlin in Germany - were divided into three groups. There was one difference between the groups that was both dramatic and unexpected. The number of hours devoted to serious practice. By the age of twenty, the best violinists had practiced and average of ten thousand hours - over two thousand hours more than the good violinists and over six thousand hours more than the violinists hoping to become music teachers.
Ericsson also found that there were no exceptions to this pattern: there was nobody who had reached the elite group without copious practice, and nobody who had worked their socks off has failed to excel. Purposeful practice was the only factor distinguishing the best from the rest.
The worst part is when some parents, teachers or coaches use the concept of "born with a talent" to encourage one child .. they're unconsciously discouraging the other children .
My parents told me I had to be born with natural talent in order to learn how to draw well . I believed them . I learnt how to draw as an adult . I am still not a perfect drawer. But I went from drawing stick figures to drawing actual pictures. I hate it when people say natural talents. It's wrong .
In sport, talent is definitely a thing. not from a mental standpoint ,but its more of an anatomical perspective
@@JR-iz1ee not quite . It’s not possible to be born to be able to do something well .
Talent is there it is happen when 1 is better then other even the both of them work in the same condition and work load
@@cassandrawest1784 Here's a dose of reality. Not all humans are born equal.
‘The paradox of excellence is that it’s built upon the foundation of necessary failure’. I think that this is very true, I remind myself of this every day, when I practise playing my guitar.
I believe in ambition.
SHITTTT I TALKED ABOUT THE SAME QUOTE NICE
talent is the ability to improve. the more talent, the higher rate of improvement.
If this is true, then there must indeed be a genetical component to it, other than the video claims
I firmly believe that a person can be trained and can achieve skills he wants to develop. If animals and birds are trained by human beings, why can't a human being develop a skill he want. I hate when I hear a sentence like we should accept the fact that we are not gifted with that skills and should not pursue particular thing. ANY PASSIONATE SKILLS CAN BE DEVELOPED. Parenting makes a huge difference.
How well you can do something is controlled by genes.ALL upper human limits are genetically inherited, hence why chimpanzees dont play classical music, or chess, despite having the basic physiology to do both.There are inherent characteristics that determine the tasks ALL animals, including humans are suited to doing.Just because 2 people look similar, doesn't mean anything about their mind or body works the same.
Well, many a person spent their whole life developing some skill passionately, yet in relative terms they never became "good". There will always be others who are superior, alongside those who are average. Most people will never be other than average, regardless of anything that is done or tried.
If Michael Jordan were 5'6 he wouldn't even make it into the NBA. Not everything is achievable with hard work
@@jordanzo7465 No, he wouldn't make the NBA.Thats for sure
mostly because those people spent years learning incorrectly i live in johannesburg in south africa ,many kids and young adults would like to be rappers others are good others are not because of criticism ,the guys who've been rapping for 4 years can't even rhyme perfect rhymes or do nursery rhymes and are either too loud or too low & mostly are off beat and flow is bad the good ones are willing to study hip hop to read the lyrics of other professional rappers to analyze to study poetry & more@@rivenz6
Bob Ross once said: "Talent is no more than a pursued interest.", & I agree
he had no talent, his paintings are dull
@@orialkhossad he couldn’t be as talented as you bro
@@invaderzod8092 I know... with my talent and some work he could be a lot better. 😏
@@orialkhos Wow never know about it, thank you random citizen
They are people who are born with specific qualities, which can make them succeed at a quicker rate. They are people who have good memory, great hand coordination, and they have incredible focus. I still think practice is more important, you have to keep practicing if you want to get good at what you want to do. You can have a natural talent but still make a ton of mistakes, that's why it's so important to practice at a consistent basis.
Well said
They are people who didn’t have as much access to tv and iPods. They had access to books, instruments, exercise, things that are more intellectual.
The thing is that those "specific qualities" are just that: Qualities. There is no "talent" for basketball or playing piano. There are only specific qualities e.g. great hand coordination that just happen to be of importance to do these things. You can't be naturally gifted for something that doesn't appear in nature. The whole concept of "art" is made up.
The only thing that determines talents is really physical attributes. Height is a huge factor in a lot of sports. It's not everything, you still have to practice to get good at all the skills in that sport, but height might make those skills easier to learn.
it matters HOW you're studying...
Indeed
@@BetterThanYesterday do you have any videos on HOW to study? Do you believe in learning styles?
I personally do think that learning styles do exist, people have different views and opinions on almost everything
Focus (attention) and drive (your why) are also very important.
The WHY is probably the most important factor. Check Simon Sinek!
No it depends on our talent
Talent is never innate. Read the book “the genius in all of us” and you’ll learn about all the scientific research that points to how talent is truly made.
Nope, the research clearly proves all talent and ability is inborn.All this talk about you could do this and that is total rubbish.Its all useless.Talent is inborn, without it nothing makes any difference.
Those books are always toxic-positivity mumbo jumbo to fool the fool and make money out of him.
Denying the existence of natural talent is denying nature itself.
Corrosive? Well I, for one, think that the very idea of talent is a toxic idea, too. It gives people the idea that if they aren't innately super good at anything, they might as well give up doing anything else than bullshit, robot-worthy jobs, because they don't have "the Talent™". It also give them an excuse and consider creation as way more monolithic and deterministic than it really is. They look at an artist and say "Yeah but it's (kinda) easy, THEY have a talent for that!".
No it's not. It's not easy. It's not fast. It's not even pleasant. It was probably a very rough journey with lots of disillusionment, despair and soul-crushing efforts. If anything, talent is the ability to love the craft IN SPITE of how little gratification you can take from it.
Talent is basically "tenacity with or without results". Of course you will also need a good ability to criticize your own work, or else you won't ever be able to improve. That can be seen as talent too. But people need to stop believing that talent is just a hard cap that you have or don't have.
people determine it's" talent" because it makes it easier for them not to try. I am bad at many things, but I know it's because I don't try hard enough at those things, I don't care about those things, and in my heart, I find those things useless to my journey to success(like directions I'll use Siri, languages I'll use a translator, and math I'll use a calculator). I think people just got to own up to why they are actually bad at things. sometimes it's not about the hard work, but about the love or the mindset to learn the things you are bad at.
@@chocolateicecream6995 I think its a lot to do with passion also if your passionate about something your willing to put more hours and try much harder. So I just tell people that say everything is a talent that they are just passionate, more passionate, and that they should look for their passions.
@@iceman4094 Good way to think about it. Like, some guy could like playing the guitar, and he could've played it for years, but he never takes it seriously. A beginner that is very ambitious and develops a strong passion for the guitar will develop 'faster' simply because he's putting more hours within a smaller frame of time. He's not talented, he just has the mindset and passion to develop his skills.
You won’t reach whatever potential you have if you happen to think there is a ‘hard cap’ to your abilities. That’s true. But there nonetheless IS a hard cap. So let’s not confuse the mindset required to maximise an individual’s potential, with the idea that mindset makes every individual’s ACTUAL potential equal to everyone else’s.
@@plentyofouts That's true, there IS a hard cap and nature, as always, doesn't distribute luck fairly.
But the problem with the talent paradigm is it creates reasons for people to downplay the hard work of so-called talented people, as if everything they achieved is just "because they are lucky enough to be talented in the first place".
More than the hard cap (which is actually super hard to determine because as you grow in skill, you also unlock more branches in your craft, making it a complex ability that isn't easily measured over a single dimension), natural talent has an impact on how easy it is for a person to pickup a new skill. But it really only impacts the early (easy) steps of a skill.
Now, I'm not saying that luck has nothing to do with success. On the contrary, luck is widely underestimated when it comes to success, and you could have more hard-working and better singer/dancers than, say, Michael Jackson that went completely unknown. But this has nothing to do with the "natural" talent of either.
I believe that pre-knowledge of one subject being implemented into another is talent assuming you excel in it. For an example, when I was in elementary school I loved to rollerblade very fast which in return helped me get leverage over other students in 60m dash. Later on when I went to a regional competition and I scored 2nd on the leaderboard a coach who had won many Olympic championships came to me and said "hey, you're talented, would you want to join my training". See what I'm talking about
Yes, this is indeed often the case!
I do believe in practice, but I seem not to practice enough for whatever reason. Thanks for sharing this.
Thanks for watching :) Acknowledging that you don't practice enough is one of the steps to start practicing more ;)
I know that practice makes perfect but this information has given a new insight to unlock the latent potentiality within and boost up my confidence that I can be the best with dedicated practice..
Thank you so much...
Thanks for commenting! Good luck :)
Thank you for BTY for this awesome video & nice presentation ❤❤❤
One of the best videos on the Internet. It is time that more people nowadays starting to watch such important videos to develop their selves.
This is excellent. Thank you.
Talent cannot even be defined. How come all these talented people only seem to excel at one activity. How many people are world champions at 2 or more sports? Talent is a lot more attractive than hard work. It's the easiest excuse to use when you fail. Oh I didn't put the hours in that I should have.
I think what we're missing here is pure love. I mean think of it, if you have something that you naturally love then you're obviously going to put more hours in it. From what I feel, the things you are good at are the things that can express you the most thus, making you naturally incline to trying to 'express' yourself better. Maybe this whole thing (what we do) is a reflection of what we are best. Love is the paint, abilities are the paintbrush and practice as the canvas. You know you can't just overlook the things you love. It just shows who you are as a whole. and when you think of it, everyone has a different way of expressing themselves. This is just my two cents btw. It's different for everyone.
I agree if you love something youll also be more serious at it
That’s true! I can draw if I sit down with a reference and spend a couple hours working at it. I have a realistic drawing of my left hand in my photos but I don’t draw very often and that hand took me three hours. If I sit down and try to draw something from memory or an idea I can’t put it on paper as I don’t practice enough, it is not something I really enjoy... Then there’s music. I love it but I lack discipline and haven’t put the time in, I know that’s why I’m not a higher level than I am. I know that’s why I still struggle with mediocre melodies and why I’m improving at the rate of a snail. I also spread my time between too many tasks. Focus on one thing, give it your all and you’ll be “talented”. I’m the only one in my house that doesn’t believe in natural talent. I believe in passion, intellect, and hard work. I’m sure there are anomalies as with everything but those people typically possess a relatively high IQ level and a friend/relative with an interest in the “talent” I’ve noticed.
So, you're saying, that because put so many hours into studying, and get such great results, and have done so since I was very young, I have a 'pure love' for studying?
Hmm, strange. I thought I absolutely despised it, guess I must be wrong.
I hate studying, yet I have managed to stay a topper throughout my school life with very less amount of time spent in studying.
On the other hand, I love sports and athletics, and yet I am the worst on the field even though I work harder than most of my teammates.
Care to explain?
@Jermaine Yeah man most probably it’s the cause - I have poor hand-eye coordination. I have faced difficulties in sports as well as learning a new instrument or doing something that requires physical skill to some extent.
Well I can say after watching your videos that your surely on a good way to become an influential speaker someday
Hoping to see u at that place😃😃😃
This reminds of something that happened to me. Throughout my childhood my brothers knew how to whistle well enough and i didnt. Then when I got older, one day I just decided to start practcing every time of the day I could, and in a few months i could whistle very very well.I still practice whistling at every opportunity i get and now u can whistle any song i want, so its pretty cool
Your videos are really inspirational...
Keep it up and make more videos...
God bless you...
Very good video. In math, intuition is important, but you also have to be able to focus selectively on information and follow-up with analytical thinking to solve problems.
Practice for sure!) I'm an artist and got used to hear "Oh you're so happy, you're talented") But it was only when I starting making art on a daily basis and profecionally when I realized how unfair it was) Like people don't tell you "Wow , how many hours did you spend, how much efford did you make?", etc) I think it's only some excuse for the majority to explane their underperformance in something) Thanks for your channel!)
A saxophone player here, same thing. Was always called "talented" when every time I actually made some progress I clearly remember I had to get to the point first, then practice what's the point is about, then put some effort to implement it into my style to truly make that point a part of my skill. Kinda hate the word "talent" nowadays, it almost always implies "look how lucky you got at birth, its all luck no skill, we're lazy to even try so we'll pretend we'll never get there even if we try". The only talent there is is genetic stuff like big hands for pianists etc.
“I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times.”
Bruce Lee
Basically its 10.000 WEAK techniques and 1 POWERFUL STRONG technique
Unfortunately that concept doesn't work in the real world
The most wrong quote of all time 💀
If u put it too the test a man who knows 10’000 kicks would be better then someone who did one kick 10k times since both of there legs would be equally as strong since they trained just as hard as eachother so at that point it’s just 1 kick vs 10 thousand
Life changing lesson to the people underestimate themselves by comparing relatively with those so called talented.
This just gave me hope again
same
For me, talent is just a matter of perspective. There are close to infinite variables that make us the way we are and the way we think, it's just having a sufficient amount of encouragement and discouragement that we have towards a certain field. In some cases, talent is defined as having a better physique or genetics, where a person is given the potential of having a better chance of being better than others. That's basically how far talent goes, where talent is merely a multiplier or a head start that is given to you throughout or in the future after you were born.
Thank you for this !
Great video - the theory should be inspirational to all! However, it always amazes me from comments how some people 'instinctively' still believe in 'talent' and reference 'natural tendencies' etc. We are ALL products of our upbringing, what our parents/gaurdians do to feed, protect, entertain, challenge and nurture us. This is the early 'practice' that provides so called 'natural tendencies' at young ages. (physical disability or impairment is obviously going to have an impact here), but, we are all born with a blank canvas as babies - Walking. talking, holding a spoon etc is ALL an attained skill through deliberate practice.
These basic abilities go on to influence what we 'like' or prefer to do, and they are normally heavily linked to something that our parents/friends have said we are 'good' at - that leads to more play/practice in that field - drawing, music, baseball,golf, football, maths. If we then start to really enjoy that field, we will do it more and more, and continue to improve - that is the basic process for 'developing' any skills or abilities as a child. After that, the level we achieve comes down to the theory in the video about further extensive particular purposeful training!
However, research shows that deliberate practice/hard work can be done at ANY age - and it still works, you may not become 'world class' or 'elite level', but you can become great, and EVERYONE else will say - 'he/she has got a talent for X' about YOU!
Nick Hough no matter how much somebody is in denial..we are not all on equal level. some ppl are geniuses musical or artistic prodegies atgletic freaks. if someone goes from no talent to putting in insane amout of time and effort to work on their craft they can be be good or even very good but they will not be elite at that particular thing. talent is the foundation that makes ppl truly stand out. hardwork is prerequisite to reach some level of success. when you combine the two is when you see something special.
@@daebak7370 For sports, I somehow agree, for running and swiming for example. For music, you do csn have some sort of tendency in the beginning, that pushes you to practice even more. BUT, once youbreach a certain point, it doesn't matter that much anymore, because the talent that allowed you to "get it" unconsciously will not be sufficient when will come the time to correct your mistakes, you will have to pass on manual mode, and THAT is the greatest of hardships in becoming a professional musician.
yeah and then some 3 year old in a diaper walks out on stage and plays the guitar like a pro
Care to share some proof of this 3 year old in a diaper, that can play the guitar like a pro? :)
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This is not world class performance. Child prodigies amaze us, because we compare them not with other performers who have practiced for the same length of time, but with children of the same age, who have not dedicated their lives in the same way. I'll make a video about this soon :)
Still it is quite advanced for his age. Kids usually only start learning at his age, so I see a big future for the boy. If he spends enough time practicing, of course.
i feel the talent like something you really love to do and when you are doing it you are not on autopilot and soo its seems you easier than the others things
if you take 100 people, give them 10,000 hours of training on anything from guitar to being a fighter pilot or baseball pitcher, they will not all be at the same level, some will have a knack for it and be very very good
As explained in the video, it takes 10,00 hours of deliberate practice :)
yeah, but again if you give 10,000 hours of training to 100 people to do some certain task, some will do it better because they have a knack for it. Whitney houston was belting out notes at age 12 that grown ups cant do, not because she practiced for 10,000 hours, but because she practiced an ability she already had a knack for
As it was said in the video, the results will be almost identical. The research that was done is quite extensive. This is also not my opinion. I'm just bringing the viewers in this short video, the data that was being gathered by the researchers for over a decade. I'm not trying to deny that talent doesn't exist - it might. But so far the studies have proven it otherwise. If any actual research comes forth that it does exist, I will definitely post it. :)
@@spacecatboy2962 that's not a skill, that's basically saying if your tall that's a skill or if you were born stronger you have talent. Genetics influence your physical attributes but almost everyone can sing you just have to practice now u won't sound like Whitney Houston but I will sound like your self and that's unique lol but u just have to find ur vocal range and master it
Well how does the research explain phonomenon of Mozart, for example? Was he the only one to practice deliberately for 10 000 hours in his time? How many hours had he practiced before he wrote his first pieces for orchestra? How many 5-year-old composers of baroque music does the research count? I spent over 10 000 hours practicing the piano but I'm not even a lightyear close to the talent of Mozart, or Rachmaninoff or Lizt.
I was one of those kids who was bored during math classes because it was too easy for me. Never did homework in my life. At the same time, there were girls in our class who simply can't get it, despite doing all the homework and putting a lot of efforts. If you study people at music and sports schools you already study the talented ones. Why on earth will you go to the special school if you have no inclination whatsoever? For ordinary school kids who had no chance to choose what to study the story would be completely different. The study regarding the music school simply shows that people who have a talent and are hard-working at the same time performing better than people who only have talent. Kinda obvious.
if a "math gene" existed then an orangutan would be able to solve basic math questions
Remember that humans are animals too
I think there are a lot of factors that can contribute to what we call talent. Having perfect pitch, for example. Or exceptional memory. Or perhaps being synesthetic. All of these have a strong genetic component. While you can argue about whether talent per se is genetic, some contributing factors definitely are. Also, what about savantism? Does innate talent play a role in that?
Yes it does
Very good point, I think its a lot more complex than this video suggests unfortunately. That's not to say hard work doesnt pay off, of course it does. Either way, I believe we all have some sort of purpose and everyone has a natural talent that they should put that hard work into.
@@Name-bn3vo well then im a really f*cked up human because literally everything im good was incredibly hard to do at first, i adamantly refuse to believe talent exists because if it does i dont have it anyways so it doesn't matter
@@cowboyslime3615 Gimme some of your confidence and belief so that I can get rid if my inferiority complex 😣
I love the example you bring up because it shows you're 100% wrong, and that's a good thing.
A study was done a few years back, and by the end of the study, children who didn't have perfect pitch before had learned it. The study showed that it is NOT genetic.
Same with memory. There are lots of studies that show that memory can be improved and degraded depending on the activities you do. The studies pretty much agree that it is NOT genetic.
What kind of stuff is genetic? Mostly physical, phenotypical attributes. Your health is about half genetics, half lifestyle choices. Your height is part genetics, part nutrition. That's the kind of stuff affected by genetics.
Talent exists when it comes to athletics. I don’t think I could run or train hard enough to ever run a 4.3 40 yard dash. That kind of speed you have to be born with good genes. I trained harder than anyone else on my football team and was a good player, but has physical limitations, I wasn’t 250 lbs nor would I ever be. And I was fast but not 4.3 fast
Yea, i feel the same way. I think the right saying should be "Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard". The way i see it, is that you can reach success with hard work alone but not talent alone, however, when you are talented and you work hard, the sky becomes the limit, so this is the way i view talent, you can reach the top of the mountain with hard work alone but only those with talent can go beyond the top of the mountain and reach the sky, in short, they become one of the best in whatever they do, world class shall i say, now this analogy is very important, because talent alone cannot take you to the top of the mountain, in order to go beyond into the sky, one must first reach the mountain first then their talent takes them beyond into the sky. (which means hard work is a must) Some examples are muhammed ali, micheal jordan, the funny thing is, these people are extremely talented but they also work extremely hard, there are many people who work just as hard as ali or micheal jordan but just cannot get to their level because they aren't born with the talent, same goes to those that are just as talented as micheal jordan, ali, mike tyson but don't work as hard as they do, so they never reach their full potential, in short, without talent the best you can be is good, with talent the best you can be is GREAT, but only if you combine your talent with hard work, if you wanna be great, you need both.
Your physical phenotype is really the only thing that is related to talent. Luckily, there are plenty of things that aren't related to your physical phenotype.
Maybe now, but what if your parents started you on the optimal diet from 1 year old, and you had been working towards running then. Do you think you'd be able to make that time? Would you then be considered talented then?
@@Tunde....Ballack As for the sprinting, no. Elite sprinters and other power athletes have an abundance of type 2x muscle fibres, and you’re either born with them or you’re not. With training, fast-twitch (power) fibres can turn into slow-twitch (endurance) fibres, but it doesn’t happen in the other direction. (Source: human physiology degree).
@@livinthemind86 Well I won't argue specifics since it's not my area of specialization, but are you saying a new born today is born with this muscle fibre? and it doesn't change, increase or develop over their lifetime depending on how they live their life?.
I can understand things like someone born with a bone condition or a heart condition being unable to become a sprinter, I always like to ask this, would you then say that person is not talented because of that physical limitation, because your statement is actually the opposite way of that.
I feel and have experienced the same thing- all practice is not equal.
I knew how to draw since 3rd grade (furthest memory i have with drawing). Ever since i been drawing for fun, I never took it seriously, no competition, other than me getting jealous of people in my class with good skills. But i dont know if i should use those skills for a living or just a hobby. i drew the same things over and over again. Soon people began to think i was obsessed with it. Truthfully, i wasnt i just enjoyed drawing it. I asked one of my family members who took care of me since i was born they said i was horrible at it. I wondered how i got these skills. Should i be proud that people call it skill not talent?
I mean, maybe you werent horrible at it. Maybe you were good taking into consideration the average skill level of the people of your age at the time, but "horrible" if you compare with what true beautiful drawing is. I dont know what kind of effect that family member was looking for when he told you that, but that was a terrible statement
Use then, I did the sane when I was you age
I am grateful for this video. Thank you for these facts and for the motivation
I believe talent does exist... But it's not a guarantee for success. Natural talent is great and all, and you might improve faster than someone without talent, but it's worthless if you don't put in the work to improve upon it. Practicing something will inevitably make you improve, talent might make you see results faster, but at the end of the day, regardless of talent or not, you will be better than you were before you started. Talent is a base, hard work and consistent practice is what will push the people who use it to go further than people with talent. Don't worry about being talented or not, just focus on improving and being better than you were when you started.
Any so-called "talent" can be traced back to good physical or cognitive abilities which isn't talent. You can't be "naturally gifted" for sports, music, art or science since those things don't appear in nature and were all made up by human beings. If LeBron James grew up in the rain forest he would be considered "naturally gifted" for hunting due to his physical and cognitive skills which are based on his genetics.
@@bluepearl_22 Those physical and cognitive skills based on genetics are a talent, which can be applied to many areas, natural or human-invented.
This video is a gem
Talent exits. It's a special individual trait that u are born with that NOBODY else can have...... I've personally see two pianists go head to head (One went to A LOT of piano lessons and the other just played it for fun and was a bit rusty). The guy that DIDN'T play it as often as the other COMPLETELY DESTROYED the other guy, making a complete fool of him. So that shouldn't even be a question, you can even look at the music industry.... some musicians have certain capabilities that other CAN'T DUPLICATE NO MATTER HOW HARD THEY WANT TO WORK AT MASTERING THEIR SKILLS.
That's it
This is really sharp observation. Paradoxically, this is something which is left out in most studies, your point is excellent.
eye opening video. thanks.
“Mere experience, if it is not matched by deep concentration, does not translate into excellence.”
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I was always afraid to follow my dreams coz i believed i had no talent
That's it,, I'm done,, it's too late,, the world porbably gonna end or I gonna die first before I can achieve something,,,
At least you are a talented pessimist. How many hours of practice do you have in that field?
@@hansdegroot8549 enough to know that naive optimists are fucking retarded
@@yoruichixx6951 you are so right, what the fuck
Thank you 😢❤️
As practice is crucially important, but talent is there screaming loudly even in the animations you put in your video. For instance the guy who was carrying weight in your animation would practice and suffer way less if he was lean body than other child who is over weight because of his genes or because of his hormones. Violinist who have better fine motor muscles will need way less practice to get better results than someone who have cerebral palsy for instance. Or dyslexic people who cannot read but they are genius artists. Even patience to practice is talent, memory is talent, musical memory is talent, passion is talent. My friend talent is a physical, mental , psychological ability guided by someone genes, environment and experience. Saying that people have same abilities is merely simplify things and put people who are unable under a huge pressure. Einstein once said everyone is genius but don't judge the fish by not being able to climb a tree make
Well said, I agree with you. I think that initial talent give some people a head start and for some more than for others. Hard work can however compensate for the lack of initial talent. But, the question is, is it worth all the work? For most people the answer is no, so that's why those who have initial talent often are those who put in a lot of exercise to get even better at what they're doing.
Being lean does not equal being stronger. It's usually the other way around and fat people are stronger. So people with cerebral palsy are considered untalented, because of their DEFICIENCY? So that makes everyone without the disease a talented individual? Again with dyslexia. Does having it make you UNTALENTED?
By your logic being normal makes you "more talented" and having a deficiency makes you "talented"? I guess I just have more talent, because I can play the piano and have five fingers on each hand, while some pianist has only four and can't play as well. Deficiency =/= Untalented
"Even patience to practice is talent, memory is talent, musical memory is talent, passion is talent." - Quoting you - All this can be developed.
"Saying that people have same abilities is merely simplify things." - Quoting you again - Where did he say people have the same abilities? He even acknowledged that there is initial skill, which is JUST INITIAL.
Opinion discarded.
You missed the point there. They will be less talented or better said able because of ther deficiencies. They still can be great mathematicians, singers ect.
He literally said in one sentence that they may be unable to read but can at the same time be artistic geniuses.
You missed the point. Talent, does not equal normal. Not talented, does not equal deficient.
Inherited physical aptitude is not talent, what you call talent is IQ plain and simple, is someone is "smarter" than you by applying in the same field with the same physical traits with someone else who is less "smart" will come out on top. In other words talent intelligence applied to a particular field, obviously practice and will and devotion have a massive role.
To me, genes do play a role but ultumately it's all hardwork and practice that stand out. Genes should just be thought as an advantage and the only factor for success is hard work
Talent outguns hard work by miles....
If a student doesn’t have a spatial intuition for something abstract as differential forms, no matter how hard he tries, he will never get passed a solely formal idea of what he is dealing with, thus will be unable to enhance the subject.
so the message is "its ok we are all mediocre people"... talent exist that's a reality, but lazy talent will be surfaced with hard work... hard working talent is another level...
Highly inspiring
Where can I find the source for the autopilot vs deep concentration studies?
Yes because Ive spent hours a week doing math for the last two months and I’m becoming more proficient. I have no talents only the hope that something will come out of this studying.
You should make a video on Wilma Rudolph... She wasn't born "lucky" at all... But went on to become the greatest runner...
talent is to be able to work hard with concentration
Isn't hardwork itself a talent? :P
based on wikipedia, talent means (someone who has) a natural ability to be good at something, especially without being taught: and this shit is bullshit!!!!! its all hardwork
@@labradog05 it does exist. You do see some prodigies who play extremely well when they've never really practiced before like Messi who had incredible abilities at like 4 that's definitely talent. Of course if you don't work hard to polish your talent you're not making it to professional lvl but saying that talent doesn't exist is simply stupid "hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard"
@@agl4044 so basically. Talent doesn't exist , everything is hardwork. Talents that u can have when born are having a good voice. Having a tall height. Having a long leg. Having a big arm. And those are not even talent. Those are genetics
@@labradog05 did you read my comment? I said some people are already extremely good at what they do before even starting to practice and we see it at very young age. But without training they're not gonna make it because talent makes that practice easier for you but most of the success is gonna come from your hard work. Talent is like what separates good players from great players just like Cristiano Ronaldo said
AGL talent is simply a head start
Can we have the reference of the investigation of British musicians that you talk about at 1:22 ? Thanks
This should be the one:
onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.2044-8295.1996.tb02591.x
thank you !
im really sure talent exists in my opinion or from at least from what i saw from being around artists. people must practice first to get that amount of talent that puts them in the category "world class" and then they will start tweaking it and make it theirs making their own style and the natural ones, the one with better/more unique sense or taste, have the upper hand. im not sure about other stuff because it really does differ depending on what type of talent we are talking about but from what i can see my point from above really affects art.
Since I can remember and throughout my entire high school career I was told by literally everyone that I have a "natural gift" for drawing. As an adult I can confidentially say that my "talent" is rooted in my early exposure to/obsession with Disney growing up.
This video is gold
Yeees, sure is practice, and I loved the video. But we see some natural tendences in kids, before the practice begins. We see that some, with no theory or trying before, suddenly surprise us with a skill for acting, singing, dancing, painting or whatever. In Robert Greene's book, "Mastery", he also explains about this natural tendency, and I guess, by the terms we usually refer to, it can be called talent. And we also know that there are many different forms of inteligence, in different activities and areas. But I don't really think people can achieve something relevant only by talent or intelligence, practice is always the most important
Thats not talent its interest
I believe in hard and smart work. Hard and smart work makes you talented and famous. Because, Hard work beats talent if talent doesn't work hard. 😊
When I was 14, I'd get annoyed when people commented on my "talent" for playing the flute. "I don't believe in talent," I'd say, "Anyone could do it if they practiced." I'm glad the science is there to back up my inner child who still wants to scream at people who call me "talented".
You had talent, talent is nothing without hard work for sure but you had potential to get good at the flute and you worked hard to reach your potential. That is talent, my friend. Not everyone can be as good as you.
I think there are many factors. But maybe the essence of incorporating a skill is BELIEVING YOU CAN.
For example, if a kid is seen as a talented person in some activity, then he will grow up with that belief, with expectations and hope from other people, all wich will push him to be the best, and will also have the effect of making his mind believe he is talented, so he will naturally do the activity with ease. Whereas when a person is tagged as non talented in some activity since is a kid, then he well grow up with such a nonsense belief, that will make him feel he is useless, and then this will make him not trying to dl it, or even will make him try doing the activity but then blocking himself whit his own negative emotions about his skills. Or, even worse, he will see his false lack of talent as a part of his identity (and so the other people).
And because this person doesn't even try, then maybe when he must perform that activity due to a test, then, after not having trained himself in the activity, will not get results and will continue tagging himself as non talented. It is a vicious circle.
I deeply believe mind is the very basis of our lifes. So first look at it, try to identify your emotions and thoughts, and realize how they are strongly responsible for your life results, either good ones and bad ones.
There are more things to mention about skills, but again, I think the essence of being successful IS BELIEVING YOU CAN BE. Then the other necessary things will naturally come, like hard work, or even talent... Because when you believe you can, then your mind starts to work more efficiently and will make much easier things (which you will maybe perceive as talent) .... Whereas if you do not trust in your potential, then your mind will not be at his 100% because she will unconsciously make you be coherent with your beliefs.
Have a look on Polgar sisters amazing history, btw.
It does boil down to practice but not a 10,000 hour metric. Talent can be learned much faster with great teachers and/or methods. To the extent that talent exists, perhaps it exists as passion or some other drive toward mastery, if not the mastery itself. As such talent doesn't always manifest skill, when the goal changes before it is realized.
...wow, I've never considered the idea that not all practice is equal...
There is one phenomenally strong argument which makes it VERY likely that talent is really „only“ the ability to delay gratification.. and this is the fact that it’s proven that even the most attractive women in the world date the men with best ATTITUDE and not those with the presumably „best“ genes.
In other words: a man who was at the button and worked his way to the top by overcoming obstacle after obstacle often has more attraction power than men who seem to be top all their life. It’s because there is (almost) no one who was top to begin with. And in science we are getting more and more hints that badass attitudes translate to badass genes over time and NOT the other way around.
I can draw simply because I really want to draw and I draw every single day almost through out the day back then.
I've never heard of somebody mastering anything without working hard for it. What I do see however, are child "prodigies" that never grew up to get better than they were 5. It seems practice makes perfect, and being perfect cannot replace practice.
This was very interesting. I agree that there is no talent, but can you really learn anything? I think you can only learn things well that you really want to learn.
All those wolrd renown artists should feel offended when people say " God gave you that talent" hahahah
That Sounds like they Never had to struggle and got everything for free.
Thay say that about me , and I say : "13 years in this bullshit and you are calling this talent! , this is skill!"
@@nickwhright5848 That means Einstein is Einstein, Mozart is Mozart, Picasso is Picasso... and they are not equal to 10 years of practice. This statement sounds ridiculous! Where did Mozart practice when he was doing things he does when he is only 4 years old for example!?!?!? what about Einstein and so on?!?!? Can you do anything like these guys does with only 10 years of practice?
@@muminhn1002 exactly
I believe talent is a natural inclination to things because you are drawn to it. Some people love blank, subconsciously their brain will pick up anything related to blank. it will be easier to digest concepts because blank is in their head all day. It's really all about interest and putting in the work. I guess it's a question of how much of an interest you have of it. when you are so obsessed with something you will do everything you can to find how to do something whether someone tells you or not, whether you have access to it or not, or if you have support or not.
Yeah if you train hard at a certain sport you learn if you have the skills to be great. I practiced for soccer and learned I was talnted at striker. Out of instinct I would score on people through their legs or just shot without looking at the net and I would score.
Also, going deeper, violin EXISTS since we defined what it was, as well as music theory… If there was a factor that made you better at violin it wouldn’t be called in your human database of talents a “good in violin” but something related to maybe capacity on focusing on the music and execution at the same time. Since music, arts and theater are mere formats and adaptations in the practical part of what art could be, talent becomes as ambiguous as Astrology… I believe that it all comes down to childhood, the very first things you absorb as a sponge, which are not just “inputs and stimuli” but different ways of putting aspects of the world in your way of mechanizing and connecting them to the rest. Most artists that become good in an instrument become also very “good” in all other arts, because all the formats touch the same areas, even science, which can expand so much the artistic flexibility that there is no real limit to their skills IN our world. This comment IS to contrary the basic idea of something being constructed step by step, YES, of COURSE it is, but there are people that become faster at something from how they have experienced the world, we are all different, right?
From what I've observed talent in some attributes definitely exists, such as in memory. But effort can definitely compensate to some degree.
Thank you
You can't really study for an IQ test
What about memorizing
What happened to @better than yesterday??
I have a question: Is having a very deep imagination since you are a toddler, a talent or a skill ?
Because I have a very big and detailed imagination since I am two years old. I was already able to create stories with sense and deep characters even if I was bad at writing. You could give one word and I was able to make a whole story very quickly about this word.
But nobody taught me how to use imagination. It was just natural for me, every time I am using my imagination. So I wonder if this is a talent or a skill ?
I’ve felt the same way my whole life, that’s a gift, and we all have one. But you have to harness it
@@BadMouth6454 "we all have one"
No we don't.
What about running? Yeaa that ones more genes than violin playing
Well, of course, but I think he was speaking about any type of performance who doesn't require a physical gift. But, for that, you have to consider than, more often than not, the amount of hours you put in sports while we're young affects your body for the rest of your life. But I agree with your point, physical innate attributes do matter in certain cases, especially in cardio sports
talent is those who make leaps and bounds when they do whatever it is they are doing.
I believe in Talent, but it's something that will only aid you early on. If there is an improvement wall, you will hit it too, albeit sonner then the majority. After that is all about hard work.
Ok then explain this how come one of my class mates/ friends was in music class for some years and the first time I joined I can sing better then her
lil gachaberry Maybe he was not concentrated at all in his classes and hates it. That could explain the poor results
How can you have a "natural talent" for something that doesn't appear in nature e.g. singing? That should help you figure things out.
@@bluepearl_22 Does math appear in nature? Do video games appear in nature? Does tennis appear in nature? No, but ppl definitely have more talent in them than others. The act of singing doesn't make up the talent itself, its all the traits that require good singing that make a singer talented. Better vocal chords, a more pleasant voice and even stronger lungs. To deny that some people just naturally have a more pleasant or sweet sounding voice than others would be silly.
I do believe in talent. You can practice all you want, you aren’t making it to NBA, sorry to rain on your parade :) same with other “trainings”. Just the very simple task that doesn’t require talent you can succeed in by training hard.
Go train and become a rocket scientist when you are far from smart with IQ of a 100, cannot ever memorize the square root of 100 but truly believe in what your video says.
Let me know how it goes. Haha
You are right about manual repetition that mostly has nothing to do with talent. Anyone can do it. Anything above that requires talent.
The chess bit at 5:03 is just blatantly false, considering Carlsen got his GM status at 13 (others even younger), and there are multiple IMs who achieved the title at 10 years old. Come on.
Darn! My age is working against me. Am no longer a young person. Ten years to master something wouldn't give me long to enjoy it.
Powerlifting is a sport you can conquer quickly if you have talent and train it correctly.
i think its all about work and passion
Let us first define "talent"
Talent: refers to one's natural aptitude. however we never actually measure our natural aptitude. we measure our artificial aptitude.
Artificiall Aptitude: is simply in the simplest way, Unnatural Aptitude, one where there're other factors applied to one's aptitude, not just your natural aptitude.
What affects our Artificial Aptitude? It's experience and foundation. Having played quite a lot of FPS games will make you progress fast in a new FPS game, that your progress would look abnormally fast.
Having learned Arts skills makes one more creative more able to interpret, and when we write we do it better, and also progress faster.
Having prior experience to a certain field, then taking a break and progress other fields on other fields that either directly or indirectly affects the certain field that you desire to progress, will make one's development faster, it's not simply progress. it's progress on-top of your skill in that field "catching-up" to your other fields of skill.
Talent is an ability to learn a skill in a short period of time in a competitive environment. I believe that talent and time practicing a skill are two different things. Regardless of research was done so far. There is a huge difference between when you are 30 years old and 80 years old in achieving your goal. When you are 40 and have your talent expressed, you will have time to enjoy it. When you are 80 years old you have sweated and busted yourself twice longer than some who is 40. Trust me going through the hardship twice longer is a serious toll on your health. Michelangelo achievement in his 20's v.s Colonel Harland Sanders in his 60's (KFC founder) is a huge difference.
Please note I am not saying that you should stop working hard. I am myself busting my back on overdrive. Also, having faith and ambition helps.
Then how's Talent different from Genius?
I can encourage someone probably with this one.I play football for almost 3 years now, and in the beginning, I didn’t know the best how to dribble lets say, all I knew is like running with the ball, but some rolls, step overs and another skills I didn’t know how to do when I play. I practiced that, and now I’m really good at it, I use rolls, stepovers and etc. When I play 1v1 with my boyfriend, I use a lot of skills and my ball control is really good. The same story for juggling, 2 years ago, I would really hard juggle 30 and only with my right leg… sometimes I even asked myself WHY I CAN’T DO THIS GOOD or I’LL NEVER JUGGLE GOOD and how I practiced it sometimes, guess what? My new record is 515, and I beated it this summer, and I even juggle almost as freestylers. So yea, we should never give up because, our weaknesses can become our strenghts 😁
same here I couldnt juggle to 10 or 20 so I practiced a lot then practiced with a lot of other things in football, now I'm a good player.
@@ellis1469 yesss! Keep going, thats amazing 😄
In which high tier team do you play?
I hate it when people tell me "you're so talented", "I'll never be as good as you because I lack talent". BULL. HECKING. SHIT. I practiced like crazy, I gave my specialty my whole life and you say it's "TALENT"? Get outta here.
I can relate to you. I used to be bad at maths, but then I started studying it a lot more. After that people would tell me that I am "naturally good" at it and that I have a "talent" for it. In reality, I just spent hundreds (could be even at least a thousand) of hours solving hard math problems, trying to understand what I was studying, and watching thousands of videos.
@@kaiden0s same for me with foreign languages and vocals. Talent is a very invalidating word.
Have you ever heard of Indian mathematician Ramanujan.... Everything about your video seems true but how will you explain his talent....there is a movie on him a man who knew infinity...I think you should see his biography
thanks alot
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Some people are more obsessed and driven with learning or improving at a certain thing than others. That drive is talent. I for one I'm pretty much the opposite of that and never really achieved anything special but I don't care either. WIsh I was obsessed like a savant
Disagree. That "drive" isn't talent. It's rather a combination of subjective interests, parental/environmental influence and positive reinforcement. The only reason why LeBron James is one of the greates basketballers in history can be traced back to these factors. If he were born on an island far away from American or even Western culture he would never develop the "talent" for basketball. He would just be a normal person with good physical genes (that just happen to be of benefit to that sport). You can apply that to pretty much anything.
The evidence has shown that there is enormous variation in skill development between individuals, for the same amount/type of training.In fact, talented individuals usually attain very high levels of proficiency within 2 years of training onset.Less talented individuals are still poor performers after 10 years.There is no correlation, at all, between practice and proficiency.Given identical training regimes, 2 people with often differ in the number of hours required to reach a given milestone, by a full order of magnitude, I.e one often has to practice 10 times longer to achieve the same thing.
I guess it depends the type of talent you're talking about, but it definitely exists and to huge degrees. Some kids playing violins doesn't prove anything, go try to make professional sports league and see where that hard work gets you
1.Talent+study+practis=master of*.... .
2. No talent+hard study+deep practis=master of*.... .
Everyone remembers from Phys Ed that some kids are just way better at sports, but one does wonder how much practice at sports in general they have had. That said, even with significant practice, my best sustained speed running for distance was still over 6 minutes per KM. I'm not going to be a great runner, but interestingly, with relatively little effort I am able to shoulder a natural stone weighing about 240 lb, something I doubt most men at 35 could do. I can get better at both, but while I could maybe be a strongman with hours of practice, I won't ever be considered a fast runner for distance, because I'm not built for it.
Mental based abilities interestingly DO improve very significantly with practice, because practice changes the brains. This is why you need lots of practice over a very long period of time, your brain is literally adapting, and likely is growing in certain regions. This is also why said practice occurring during childhood is so valuable, because the brain adapts faster and to a greater degree.
Physical qualities aren't based on "talent" they're based on favorable genetics. Otherwise, boys would generally be considered more talented at sports than girls.
Practice makes perfect!
I played basketball for 2 years and my friend said my skill is worse than another friend play for half a year. He has huge talent he doesnt even train and do move with ease meanwhile i have better height my 0 talent just hardwork
I both agree & don't agree with this video. In helping people with math homework, it's painful to teach it to some rather than others. Also sometimes I was the one who didn't get something in learning other stuff. However I have seen people learning all kinds of stuff they couldn't before perhaps not to mastery but at least to average skill level.
Thanks for your comment. It's indeed a hard topic to discuss, due to many variabilities in one's current ability.
Looking at your math example, how can you measure how hard someone was trying? Was your teaching method the right one for that particular student, or would they benefit more from a different method? Maybe they were busy thinking about other stuff, that's why they didn't understand, who knows. Perhaps they just don't have any interest in the subject, while some other kids do? Have other kids received any other tutoring, from their parents maybe?
Like I said, it's a difficult topic. Everything can be questioned with "what if". The point of the video is to make people look from a different standpoint and then think for themselves :)
I agree that this topic has many uncertainties when discussing it, everything can be questioned with "what if", but what if it really was talent, what if they didn't receive tutoring, what if they were just good at what they were doing, anything can be questioned with what if, but to make a decent point you need strong evidence and reliable sources, I am not trying to shit on your video, I think it is quite important to challenge popular beliefs sometimes, but when you do it, you have to make sure you do it right