My understanding of sandwich style layouts is that you want the CPU/GPU pulling air in from the sides and all 4 case fans as exhaust. With a top to bottom airflow direction, the top fans are working with the coolers, and the bottom fans are fighting against the cooling.
Thinking about moving to this case, and moving my wife's SFF into my Geeek G4 since her computer sits on her desktop. Looks like the latest version come with USB-C front panel connector. Although I updated my MB to a B550, due to GPU pricing and availability last couple of years opted for a Ryzen 5600G for the moment. Now that GPU prices are near reasonable, thought I'd start by migrating to this case, then update CPU and GPU.
Thanks for the great video. How long is the riser cable? In my area the case is only available without riser cable so I think I need to buy one separately .
was interested in this case, but seeing some people saying the drilled holes don't lined up. I wonder how this case compared to NR200 size wise, as well as what the practical width of GPU (55mm it says but it seems that isn't the case after taking mounting into account)
@@ryanlemieux3323 yeah, but that 80% sometimes doesn't feel that much in actual comparison. I was thinking about downsizing to this from my current NR200, but don't really have a good perspective on the size.
Mine came in today. The four motherboard mount holds were pretty tight, but overall no major problems. The are a few tiny marred spots on the edges, but for 120 dollars it's a great case.
Funny, I went the other way. Started with a huge Corsair RGB tower > Dancase a4 > NR200. It’s damn near silent and I’m running a 2.7 slot GPU and 10c CPU and with an aio. Do I miss the Dancase? Sure. Probably my favorite case ever, but it was noisy at 50 decibels when gaming, and could only support a 65w 6c. Had a FormD as well, but couldn’t handle a 10c and 3070, too hot. For now, the nr200 does everything I want except fitting into a backpack for LAN parties.
@@NOSfusion yeah it really is an awesome case. Nothing smaller has convinced me to downsize further yet, especially given they all cost a lot more than my NR200 did.
just wonderful indepth review , ordered this case 2 weeks ago before it started shipping and i've been waiting anxioulsy for its arrival. I don't even have any money to buy the motherboard or processor yet but i had to secure that case before it sells out LOL. Thanks for the amazing review you answered a lot of questions
I knew that they make them in small batches and would sell out quick, especially for the price. Had my 👀 on it since the announcement. Put in the order the day it was available for sale.
@@hansbehrends438 congrats! received mine this morning, a little bitter because i was forced to pay 40€ by customs to receive the package. Still happy i got the case though :)
I prefer tinted acrylic as those pesky scratches don’t show as bad. I’m hoping your project involves some venting mods! As Geek did that with their previous case maybe if you have any recommendations to pass on that would be one to make.
I have this very case. I really like it. For the price of $120 ($145 shipped to the US) it is great value. I'm planning on a fairly modest build. Unfortunately, the Scythe Shuriken 3 is just past the height clearance maximum of 66mm at 69mm tall. Without the Anti-Vibration pads, it's 67 so still no cigar. Also, the GPU I have is exactly 55mm wide (2.75 slot) so I'm hoping it still clears the side panel. I have the vented side panels.
Are you able to find the Id Cooling cooler where you are? This or the Noctua L12S Ghost would be my top two choices. For the GPU it’s close to the max- vibration or fan interference would be my concerns but you could always space out the side panel with some spacers, the magnets should still hold.
The rad compatibility isn’t great with the G1 SE or A70. For the G1 SE the best official support is for a 120, and that’s going to be good enough for CPU or GPU only. You could try and put fans on the outside if you do a top 240 though.
People in /r/sffpc are saying that the optimal airflow configuration in sandwich cases is all case fans as exhaust, I assume to create negative pressure so more heat is quickly exhausted. I also heard the bottom case fan is negligible, is there data on this?
Very late reply,.but for anyone else who wonders this, temperatures are fantastic. However, with thicker GPUs like my MSI 6800XT Trio (2.5 slots) the fans are so close to the side panel that you get significant turbulence noise. I bought some generic dust filter mesh which changed the sound but didn't improve it. Ultimately, I ended up using the dust filter from a Cooler Master NR200, which has a coarser mesh, and added an extra 2mm spacing to the side panel edges, moving it away from the GPU.
Glad I've found your channel, great work! Very interested in this case... would you recommend this ID cooling is-60 over a Noctua NH-L9x65 for something like an 11600k?
Got one of these durring preorder with the magnetic smoked acrylic sides, I've got lian li uni fans on top bottom and the cpu and I gotta say shit is gorgeous
Im planing to build pc with this case. May i have ur opinion ? Same setup but changing the cooler orientation so that air flow through the fin of the cooler by using top & bottom fans exhaust. Will this help the cpu cool better? I know this might cause some ram clearance issue.
can you test with the 4 case fans exhausting? It would be interesting to see the impact on temps (I don't know if cpu and gpu would recirculate the bottom exhaust), If it doesn't I think at least gpu temps will be better since you're most likely fighting the bottom exhaust of the GPU
I do intend on testing fan configs to get some general sandwich case implications. To some extent it will depend on the cooler design as well for the card- if you card is a blower style or where the fins run parallel to the length of the card, it might not be a big difference, but if the card exhausts out the sides I would postulate you would see more of an impact from doing the exhaust that way.
i realize now that after finishing my nr200 setup that im not fit for itx case. i just need my multiple hdd storage space. it is nice though to see my case is shorter and smaller than my monitor.
Would a 2.75 slot card practically fit? I'm looking to put an EVGA 3070TI FTW3 in one. It shows it as technically supporting it, but I'm wondering how realistic that is.
I'm in a similar spot with you. I have an MSi Gaming X Trio 3070Ti and planning to get this case. Makes me wonder is I can still fit 4 fans on top and bottom with this GPU
My GPU is exactly H=55 mm and I already have dan case in which it cant fit so I search for another case and this is closes by size and compatibility with dan case. Even official website of geek say H=55 mm is OK, but when you say it it looks like it is more 57 mm min, right? Or it can be pushed inside. Thanks
But still has the issue of putting the rad below the pump/block. It might work initially, but will eventually start to make some noise and/or fry the pump.
Yes, I think air cooled is the more expedient method for the chips that most folks will try to run in this case. For AIOs... that’s just a decision that users have to make based on their priorities. If the user doesn’t mind potentially getting a new AIO or warranty service... then I guess that’s OK too. To some extent the likelihood of that happening depends on the initial fill level and permeation level- some brands fill really well, and feature tubes that are more resistant to permeation. Air cooled is just no fuss-with this layout it can work really well too.
Set both top and bottom fans all to exhaust and it will be pulling air in thru the side panels and it will let the gpu and cpu breath. Would probably run lower temps than the bottom to top flow fan setup.
How did you get both the solid vented panels and also a set of the smoked acrylic?. I wanted to buy this but the web store makes you choose one or the other. When I contacted geek via ig and support email I was ghosted so gave up.
That was how the review unit was setup, but I would think you could order it like that. I will drop them a note and see if they can add that as an option. Hope that could help you out.
Hello Does the lower system cooler intake control the temperature well or does the exhaust control well? I would like to know if this is the official geeek answer.
If you’re going to run airflow in one direction I would tend to recommend following the same direction as your power supply, so bottom to top exhaust. Fans going opposite each other as exhaust can work too. I’ll be testing that in a future vid.
Nice review brother. 👍 Can you build mini PC again with this : Motherboard Z690 Intel 12600 or 12700 RTX 3060 Ti (dual fan) 2 x 8 GB RAM DDR 5 Nvme m.2 1 TB pcie 4.0 x 4 SSD 2,5 inch 2 TB SFX power supply 600 watt 80 plus gold Mini water cooling + reservoir Lian Li Q58 case Thank you 😎
The fan quality is a bit average as with ID products but I think this would rank very high, since it does push/pull in a small size. Of course in the 70mm space you run into the Noctua L-12S which is tough to beat- this case is just a few mm from allowing the L-12S to fit. The better comparison size wise would be L-12S Ghost edition which I do not think would be as good as the ID.
@@MachinesMore Thank you for the information! I recently ordered a Geeek a70 with a cooler height of 69mm and am looking for the best cooler for my r5 3600!
Nothing either way, it’s not particularly loud or quiet, solid panels muffle the sound more, there’s no foam treatment or anything of that sort either.
It’s a tad tall at 3mm over the spec. I haven’t tried it yet but I don’t think it will work base on what I measured, although if you have the perfect combo of manufacturing variance it just might.
ID Cooling IS-60 EVO ARGB. Looks like their NO-12015-XT slim fan on the top and 92mm slim on the bottom. Link in description- Since it features an extra 120mm fan, the cooling performance is probably slightly ahead of the L12S Ghost (with a single 92mm).
It’s not optimal, of course. But, in these form factors... these are all trade offs for the user to consider. Pump gurgling, or dying a premature death (if under warranty, then the hassle of that) vs less cooling low profile air cooler... everyone has to make their choice. I’m working on an idea for a future vid with a 240, might be able to have that cake and eat it too.
Im running a i9 10850k @5ghz on a noctua l12 s1 edition. I swapped the included fan out for a slim 92mm from noctua. In addition to a slim 120mm side panel mounted fan on there directing airflow onto the heataink. i dont go past 85 under avx loads but its a pure gaming machine so i accept the downsides of 200 mhz less for a case under 12L
My understanding of sandwich style layouts is that you want the CPU/GPU pulling air in from the sides and all 4 case fans as exhaust. With a top to bottom airflow direction, the top fans are working with the coolers, and the bottom fans are fighting against the cooling.
Man, you're really upping your cinematography game!!
I was waiting for someone to do a video about this case.
Nice one!
Those measurements are exactly what I needed, thank you!
Thinking about moving to this case, and moving my wife's SFF into my Geeek G4 since her computer sits on her desktop. Looks like the latest version come with USB-C front panel connector. Although I updated my MB to a B550, due to GPU pricing and availability last couple of years opted for a Ryzen 5600G for the moment. Now that GPU prices are near reasonable, thought I'd start by migrating to this case, then update CPU and GPU.
Excellent video! I see you improving your videography! I really appreciate the amount of information you provide with regard to thermals.
Thanks for the great video. How long is the riser cable? In my area the case is only available without riser cable so I think I need to buy one separately .
You are going to be the best pc stuff reviewer on youtube in just few years 👏👏👊
Are these videos color graded?
Thanks for the encouragement! I typically shoot in Log so yes there is grading involved.
was interested in this case, but seeing some people saying the drilled holes don't lined up.
I wonder how this case compared to NR200 size wise, as well as what the practical width of GPU (55mm it says but it seems that isn't the case after taking mounting into account)
The NR200 is like 80%+ bigger at 18L.
@@ryanlemieux3323 yeah, but that 80% sometimes doesn't feel that much in actual comparison. I was thinking about downsizing to this from my current NR200, but don't really have a good perspective on the size.
Mine came in today. The four motherboard mount holds were pretty tight, but overall no major problems. The are a few tiny marred spots on the edges, but for 120 dollars it's a great case.
Excellent review! Very informative. Are you going to review the M5 later?
My NR200 has got me hooked on SFF builds. Now wanting to go smaller. This and the Aklla A4 Pro look very interesting.
Funny, I went the other way. Started with a huge Corsair RGB tower > Dancase a4 > NR200. It’s damn near silent and I’m running a 2.7 slot GPU and 10c CPU and with an aio. Do I miss the Dancase? Sure. Probably my favorite case ever, but it was noisy at 50 decibels when gaming, and could only support a 65w 6c. Had a FormD as well, but couldn’t handle a 10c and 3070, too hot. For now, the nr200 does everything I want except fitting into a backpack for LAN parties.
@@NOSfusion yeah it really is an awesome case. Nothing smaller has convinced me to downsize further yet, especially given they all cost a lot more than my NR200 did.
just wonderful indepth review , ordered this case 2 weeks ago before it started shipping and i've been waiting anxioulsy for its arrival. I don't even have any money to buy the motherboard or processor yet but i had to secure that case before it sells out LOL. Thanks for the amazing review you answered a lot of questions
Good choice! You’re going to enjoy it. It’s a great case, looks like they are OOS at the moment so good call.
I knew that they make them in small batches and would sell out quick, especially for the price. Had my 👀 on it since the announcement. Put in the order the day it was available for sale.
@@hansbehrends438 congrats! received mine this morning, a little bitter because i was forced to pay 40€ by customs to receive the package. Still happy i got the case though :)
I prefer tinted acrylic as those pesky scratches don’t show as bad.
I’m hoping your project involves some venting mods!
As Geek did that with their previous case maybe if you have any recommendations to pass on that would be one to make.
I have this very case. I really like it. For the price of $120 ($145 shipped to the US) it is great value.
I'm planning on a fairly modest build. Unfortunately, the Scythe Shuriken 3 is just past the height clearance maximum of 66mm at 69mm tall. Without the Anti-Vibration pads, it's 67 so still no cigar.
Also, the GPU I have is exactly 55mm wide (2.75 slot) so I'm hoping it still clears the side panel. I have the vented side panels.
Are you able to find the Id Cooling cooler where you are? This or the Noctua L12S Ghost would be my top two choices. For the GPU it’s close to the max- vibration or fan interference would be my concerns but you could always space out the side panel with some spacers, the magnets should still hold.
Great video there! I wonder if it's possible to mount a 2.5 inch HDD (9.5mm thick) onto that sata slot of the PSU cover board.
Great review, really well done!
I'm tempted to buy the G1 SE and A70 to try and custom water cool it for a challenge. What are your thoughts on that idea?
The rad compatibility isn’t great with the G1 SE or A70. For the G1 SE the best official support is for a 120, and that’s going to be good enough for CPU or GPU only. You could try and put fans on the outside if you do a top 240 though.
This is really really really great video review. SFF FTW!
Glad you enjoyed it!
People in /r/sffpc are saying that the optimal airflow configuration in sandwich cases is all case fans as exhaust, I assume to create negative pressure so more heat is quickly exhausted. I also heard the bottom case fan is negligible, is there data on this?
Wait.....That's not how you spell NR200
But seriously excellent video as always.
If you pay premium for ITX, you do not want 18L chunk mATX case.
But this is 11.L and like $20 bucks more, Its a Ghost with a Tophat.
I wonder how would the thermals be like with the bigger GPUs that generate more heat such as the RTX 3080, or the RX 6800 XT.
Very late reply,.but for anyone else who wonders this, temperatures are fantastic. However, with thicker GPUs like my MSI 6800XT Trio (2.5 slots) the fans are so close to the side panel that you get significant turbulence noise. I bought some generic dust filter mesh which changed the sound but didn't improve it.
Ultimately, I ended up using the dust filter from a Cooler Master NR200, which has a coarser mesh, and added an extra 2mm spacing to the side panel edges, moving it away from the GPU.
The silver version is very slick!
Glad I've found your channel, great work! Very interested in this case... would you recommend this ID cooling is-60 over a Noctua NH-L9x65 for something like an 11600k?
Got one of these durring preorder with the magnetic smoked acrylic sides, I've got lian li uni fans on top bottom and the cpu and I gotta say shit is gorgeous
Definately sending my acylic panels into a guy I know to get a vent grill lazered into them
Im planing to build pc with this case. May i have ur opinion ?
Same setup but changing the cooler orientation so that air flow through the fin of the cooler by using top & bottom fans exhaust.
Will this help the cpu cool better?
I know this might cause some ram clearance issue.
definately an interesting option from geeek
can you test with the 4 case fans exhausting? It would be interesting to see the impact on temps (I don't know if cpu and gpu would recirculate the bottom exhaust), If it doesn't I think at least gpu temps will be better since you're most likely fighting the bottom exhaust of the GPU
I do intend on testing fan configs to get some general sandwich case implications. To some extent it will depend on the cooler design as well for the card- if you card is a blower style or where the fins run parallel to the length of the card, it might not be a big difference, but if the card exhausts out the sides I would postulate you would see more of an impact from doing the exhaust that way.
i realize now that after finishing my nr200 setup that im not fit for itx case. i just need my multiple hdd storage space. it is nice though to see my case is shorter and smaller than my monitor.
Couldnt you run a local storage nas or something? You already built it
Great presentation.
Would a 2.75 slot card practically fit? I'm looking to put an EVGA 3070TI FTW3 in one. It shows it as technically supporting it, but I'm wondering how realistic that is.
I'm in a similar spot with you. I have an MSi Gaming X Trio 3070Ti and planning to get this case. Makes me wonder is I can still fit 4 fans on top and bottom with this GPU
you should test the new Jonsplus i100 Pro Aircooling and try to compare it vs. NR200 air cooling.
My GPU is exactly H=55 mm and I already have dan case in which it cant fit so I search for another case and this is closes by size and compatibility with dan case. Even official website of geek say H=55 mm is OK, but when you say it it looks like it is more 57 mm min, right? Or it can be pushed inside.
Thanks
Really considering this case. Nothing else fits my monster 320mm gpu. I wish this thing allowed for 240mm radiators though..
so sad that I'm using MSI 2070s gaming x trio it,s long 328 mm, whatever I pick nr 200p due to your review
I love your VDO
First time i saw you .. insta subscribed .. very very .. good job.
I hope you make a video about the fans configuration for the best airflow and temperature,.
Yes!
I have seen from some comments that a 240 radiator using only 1 fan. Is that correct?
not sure why they didnt give vent holes for the acrylic panel like the A50
Seems like it won't fit a 120mm AIO with push/pull setup, will it?
will they also be sending you their A70 for review? 😁
But still has the issue of putting the rad below the pump/block. It might work initially, but will eventually start to make some noise and/or fry the pump.
Yes, I think air cooled is the more expedient method for the chips that most folks will try to run in this case. For AIOs... that’s just a decision that users have to make based on their priorities. If the user doesn’t mind potentially getting a new AIO or warranty service... then I guess that’s OK too. To some extent the likelihood of that happening depends on the initial fill level and permeation level- some brands fill really well, and feature tubes that are more resistant to permeation. Air cooled is just no fuss-with this layout it can work really well too.
Set both top and bottom fans all to exhaust and it will be pulling air in thru the side panels and it will let the gpu and cpu breath. Would probably run lower temps than the bottom to top flow fan setup.
That’s a theory I’ll be testing, with sandwich cases I’ve only had the luxury of one level of fans so will be interestingly see what happens.
@@MachinesMore Nice! I'll be looking for that video with great interest.
How did you get both the solid vented panels and also a set of the smoked acrylic?. I wanted to buy this but the web store makes you choose one or the other. When I contacted geek via ig and support email I was ghosted so gave up.
That was how the review unit was setup, but I would think you could order it like that. I will drop them a note and see if they can add that as an option. Hope that could help you out.
Hello Does the lower system cooler intake control the temperature well or does the exhaust control well? I would like to know if this is the official geeek answer.
If you’re going to run airflow in one direction I would tend to recommend following the same direction as your power supply, so bottom to top exhaust. Fans going opposite each other as exhaust can work too. I’ll be testing that in a future vid.
Nice review brother. 👍
Can you build mini PC again with this :
Motherboard Z690
Intel 12600 or 12700
RTX 3060 Ti (dual fan)
2 x 8 GB RAM DDR 5
Nvme m.2 1 TB pcie 4.0 x 4
SSD 2,5 inch 2 TB
SFX power supply 600 watt 80 plus gold
Mini water cooling + reservoir
Lian Li Q58 case
Thank you 😎
Nice!
How do you think this cooler would compare to other sub 70mm air coolers?
The fan quality is a bit average as with ID products but I think this would rank very high, since it does push/pull in a small size. Of course in the 70mm space you run into the Noctua L-12S which is tough to beat- this case is just a few mm from allowing the L-12S to fit. The better comparison size wise would be L-12S Ghost edition which I do not think would be as good as the ID.
@@MachinesMore Thank you for the information! I recently ordered a Geeek a70 with a cooler height of 69mm and am looking for the best cooler for my r5 3600!
my cuestion is ..if you put cooler m nr200 and this one togeder the tolest one is?
NR200, by 4cm actually.
Did your case come with magnetic side panels
I believe retail versions are the same, just a choice of either vented or solid.
Pls do a build with Antec dark cube
with only 66mm cpu height what is the most powerful air cooled cpu that will fit?
Noctua NH-L9x65
I have a Scythe Big Shuriken 3 which won't clear the panel at 69mm sadly. If there was a super slim fan slimmer than 15mm it could work...
how are the acoustics ?
Nothing either way, it’s not particularly loud or quiet, solid panels muffle the sound more, there’s no foam treatment or anything of that sort either.
Big Shuriken 3 won't fit in here?
It’s a tad tall at 3mm over the spec. I haven’t tried it yet but I don’t think it will work base on what I measured, although if you have the perfect combo of manufacturing variance it just might.
@@MachinesMore Okay thanks man, I just asked because I saw a post in reddit where it has the BS3 in it. People were asking the poster but no reply :))
does this case can fit 3.5" HDD? thx
Not reasonably. You might be able to make it work if you took out fans, but circulation would be really cut off.
can we install 92 mm fan?
You can, you would just need a 120 to 92 adapter.
Wooow! Deets on that CPU cooler?!
ID Cooling IS-60 EVO ARGB. Looks like their NO-12015-XT slim fan on the top and 92mm slim on the bottom. Link in description- Since it features an extra 120mm fan, the cooling performance is probably slightly ahead of the L12S Ghost (with a single 92mm).
@@MachinesMore It looks like an amazing deal, honestly. 2 fans, $45, and looks like a real competitor to the alpenridge and l12s. And RGB!
@@MachinesMore would love to see a review of the cooler
Looks like that AIO is gonna have the pump header at the top of the loop -- a no-no.
It’s not optimal, of course. But, in these form factors... these are all trade offs for the user to consider. Pump gurgling, or dying a premature death (if under warranty, then the hassle of that) vs less cooling low profile air cooler... everyone has to make their choice. I’m working on an idea for a future vid with a 240, might be able to have that cake and eat it too.
Im running a i9 10850k @5ghz on a noctua l12 s1 edition. I swapped the included fan out for a slim 92mm from noctua. In addition to a slim 120mm side panel mounted fan on there directing airflow onto the heataink. i dont go past 85 under avx loads but its a pure gaming machine so i accept the downsides of 200 mhz less for a case under 12L
For the length & footprint not good enough cooling for latest gpus & cpus
Not great, but for this size range compromise is the name of the game!
I wanna sub your videos for Spanish speakers
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