Just a quick note on the D15S- Sliger mentions it is compatible, but I haven't tested it out yet. Other than the single fan difference, it is an asymmetrical design. Most likely that means you have to rotate it where clearance at the top would be better, but clearance at the bottom is completely dependent on the CPU socket position. On Asus ITX boards this is typically lower, Gigabyte and MSI have a higher position and would be better for that configuration. As a reference I have about 24mm of space between the bottom of the D15 heatfins and the GPU, by my estimation with the Gigabyte ITX the D15S in a lower position would still clear. YMMV depending on motherboard choice.
Regardless of what you choose to make a video on, it’s always so Informative and well put together. I think this is by far the best channel for finding out info about sff pc’s. Keep it up!
Happy to see a S620 review out in the wild, and even better that it's on your channel. Great review, as usual! I really hope you do a similar series of videos with the S620, like you did with the NR200. The S620 has so many possible airflow configurations that I feel like you just scratched the surface in this video. I would be especially interested to see you test the deshrouded 3080 Ventus in this case. Here's hoping there's more S620 content in the works!
Looks like da Machine is trying to make some healthy competition to Optimum Tech :) good job! Your videos are way more detailed and more informative and the community truly appreciates your sincere enthusiasm in producing them.
yeah, I'm honestly down with a 20-23L version of the NR200 but with Lian Li quality. I wouldn't mind a Fractal Design version too. Feel like Ncase could just make M1 Max or something, but seems like Necere is content with the success of the M1 line as it's already on v6.1.
Or you could just get your money up, and nullify the problem? A PC gets enough usage for most ppl ($/hr of use over lifetime), that I think buying the best case you can find on the market makes sense 🤷. It’s like cheaping out on your bed/shoes/tires and etc., though not as severe. Some things, you just gotta get the no-compromises version
If you ever get your hands on a NH-D15S it would be interesting for you to revisit this case to test compatibility with mobos. I'd imagine whether it can fit would be very dependent on the CPU socket position. With the mobo in the video the D15S seems like it would have to be installed backwards as the regular D15 was already hitting the roof. Otherwise, great video! Best review of this case so far.
Just a quick note on the D15S- Sliger mentions it is compatible, but I haven't tested it out yet. Other than the single fan difference, it is an asymmetrical design. Most likely that means you have to rotate it where clearance at the top would be better, but clearance at the bottom is completely dependent on the CPU socket position. On Asus ITX boards this is typically lower, Gigabyte and MSI have a higher position and would be better for that configuration. As a reference I have about 24mm of space between the bottom of the D15 heatfins and the GPU, by my estimation with the Gigabyte ITX the D15S in a lower position would still clear. YMMV depending on motherboard choice.
I like the NR200 more. The Sliger is 3x more expensive so I can't justify the price but I'm sure the serious air cooling people will like it better. Would love to see this case tested with an AIO setup! I think AIO users will prefer the NR200. Great video!
I've been eyeing this one for many weeks but couldn't find any reviews about it - till now - must be the first one ! now I have to justify the cost to my wife especially since I already have the also expensive Streacom DA2 ...
Wow just wow. It would be really cool to see a custom liquid cooled build in this with contrast to nr200. Or just one video comparing 280mm/240mm aio benchmarks with nr200 comparisons. Really indepth FIRST LOOK 😂 Awesome job bro much appreciated ❤️
As you like slate gray cases, I can recommend the Lazer 3D LZ7 XTD - 10.4 liters with 135 mm cooler height clearance - acrylic panels are offered in a gray almost matching the Sliger cases.
I was looking at a Sliger case, but it was like 4x times as expensive as the NR200P. on black friday there was only a 5 dollar discount.. so I gave up lol
There’s a lack of fan mounting options too. They should have just made the S620 a no compromise just under 23L case that the Lian Li TU150 should have been.
Hey man, great video! :) I've got the Sliger Cerberus and in case of using the rear fan as an intake fan, how bad is it for the PSU in terms of hot air flow to it? I am worried about it.
See if you can get a Sliger SV590v2 to review. Looks awesome and is designed to fit a 360mm radiator. They offer a bracket for a pump/reservoir combo for $10 to fit in the bottom as well. So far all I've seen for videos is people putting AIOs in it, when the case seems to have been designed for a CPU+GPU loop. The only bad part is that there isn't an option for a glass side panel.
If you take a look there’s a recent vid comparing the D15S and the Dark Rock Pro 4- should give you a few ideas. The D15 is a bit limited in this case.
Nice review. Did you get a chance to try out the inverted layout? Sliger refers to it on their website but I couldn't find a review that talks about it.
Sliger makes quality products - I personally purchased their Cerberus X case, but due to limited liquid cooling options (for me personally) and very high price tag - I returned the product. Other than that - great products.
I am really curious about the s610, the layout is similar to the nr200,s620 and the ncase. And the volume is inbetween the s620/ncase, i would love to see a video about them (temps etc, which of them is best?) Keep at it my friend, love your videos! :)
It’s more like v5. There is a scenario where it helps- if you’re intaking from the side panel and run a side exhausting GPU, the blocked off portion prevents the case from just recycling GPU air, especially with an AIO.
The most important fan in the U12A is the front one and you placed it away from the heatsink fins, hindering its performance. The further away you place fans from the heatsink the worse the performance, just some constructive criticism
I have watched through the whole video and I understand it runs a bit hotter than the nr200. I have a few questions. 1. Will you recommend this case for a first time builder? I could just go out for nr200p in my local market but this case just feels so much high quality. 2. How about ability to expend (upgrade in the future)? 3. Similar price range, how does the S620 compare with the NCase M1? Thanks for the video anyway!
Hey Mark, thank you for checking in- here are my thoughts- 1) The S620 is OK to build in, the access through the top and front isn’t as nice as in the NR200, I’d say the NR200 is more suited for a first time builder, and yes, the S620 does have a nice feel to it build quality wise, but the NR200’s build flaws are more alignment and finish quality vs structural problems, and from a design perspective it’s a win for the NR200. It’s not as big a difference as you might think. Also there are a slew of color options coming for the NR200/P as well. 2) As long as it’s ITX or DTX boards and a 240 or 280 is good for your CPU, then you are covered. Both are pretty sufficient for bigger GPUs but the Nr200 has a little more going for it since it can go vertical gpu with a riser cable if you want. 3) The M1 is my personal choice but is more cooling limited, and you don’t have as many drive mounting options, it is a different size category and really is more comparable to the S610. If you want to go big air cooler, the S620 is the one to go for.
@@MachinesMore thanks for the insight! I will definitely look for more builds with these cases and make a decision based on my needs (aircool with ryzen 9). I wish you the best with your channel.
2.5" SSDs is easy. Some 3M double sizes tape and you can't mount a couple of SSDs on the side of the PSU. Heck you could mount two on the side of the PSU and an additional two on top of those for 4 SSDs. Then another one or two on the side of the PSU facing out, though that's probably more SSDs than the motherboard sports.
I have a very specific question for a particular setup in this Sliger case. I'm using the Noctua NH-U12A with an added slim intake fan and slim fan top exhaust right above the U12A. The GPU is 4080 FE so there are no bottom fans, and the PSU is side mounted so no front fan either. Pretty much all the attention is on the CPU and nothing on the GPU except its own cooling solution. The temps are already pretty solid however I'm looking for recommendations with this setup because I could add a side mount fan or another top mount fan if those have helped temps in anyone's experience?
For the price, I am still surprised this case doesn't have dust filters. Complaints aside, I do like the Ncase M1 layout with room for a big air cooler.
would this have enough room to do the deshroud mod? I want this case but I need to be able to fit my Ventus 3x oc deshrouded (it's a 2.7 slot/57 mm card)
Sliger Should have made NR200p Clone but lighter with aluminum instead of steel, and 158mm limit instead of 155m limit of the NR200P then they would be the "Premium" NR200 case, right now its losing too much just to be slightly smaller, the 2 25mm at the top of the NR200 helps a TON with the glass panels duo the lack of vents, plus can't fit slim fans with the big GPUS with sliger unlike NR200 (nr200 got 75mm clearance at the bottom vs 70mm of the sliger and lot of gpus are full 3 slots at 60mm this gen~)
I'd honestly up it to 20-23L to be honest. I think that market is stupidly untapped especially for those that want to go high end air cooling or 2x140mm water cooling as options. The TU150 was a wasted opportunity and I doubt Lian Li will ever update the layout as the TU-series was known mainly for the carrying handle for lan parties.
@@CknSalad NR200p clone but 165m CPU Cooler support would still end up being slightly below 20L, Sliger made a case that supports 165mm cooler but worse GPU Fans support if you use full 3 slot 60mm GPU +No real good exhaust fans like the NR200.
@@HassanAlHajry yeah, that's why I honestly wouldn't mind a Lian Li TU150 size, but with a lot better layout. be nice to see a decently sized ITX tower, but with more breathing room for cable routing and lots of fans. I had the Ncase M1, and honestly I'm a bit over the whole
Pretty sure you can fit slim fans in there. I might end up mounting them on the outside and installing some slightly thicker feet though. I have the s620 with a 3090 that I just finished. Thinking of 3d printing a “hat” to expand the top a bit as well, seeing as the io panel is removable and could easily accommodate that
Can the C14S run in low profile-mode in the S620 or does it need to have a 120 mm fan underneath to make it work? Also, how sizeable is the height difference between this case and the NR200 and between the two, which one do you prefer in terms of performance and overall delivery? Furthermore, the max GPU supported is 323 mm and I have a RTX 3070 that is exactly 323 mm. Would this (Gaming Z Trio) realistically fit into the S620? Thanks in advance.
Hey Daniel, the C14S can run in fan on top mode (just like in the NR200). The big advantage the S620 has is in cooler height so big dual towers fit, but even then I think a good single tower is fine for most (not all) CPUs. The NR200 is slightly taller, and the biggest difference is top fan compatibility - which makes a very big difference for overall thermal performance. In general I’d go NR200 but if there is a compelling reason to have out of box SFF compatibility for something like a Dark Rock Pro 4 or D15, that’s what the S620 is for.
Fantastic review! I really appreciate that it confirmed a question I couldn't find an answer for anywhere else: that using a NH-D15S (offset toward the GPU) with the Gigabyte Aorus motherboard will *not* allow the use of a 15mm slim fan on the top of the case. Seems like using my Mugen 5 rev B (that I originally bought for my NR200P based on your other videos) is going to be the better choice here. Looking forward to more reviews of this case, and the 610 when you get one!
@@MachinesMore The offset is 8mm (67x83) from what I've read, so it'll be close. I'm curious to see the results! I'll also be curious to see any reviews that omit the bottom fans; the case only has about 70mm of clearance for the GPU, so most of the 3080s/3090s will have to manage without them. Your NR200 reviews suggested bottom fan inclusion wasn't a huge temperature difference, so I'm curious if this case follows suit.
Is there a reason why you chose rear-to-front air direction? I'm just thinking about opposite direction, will it be worse? I'm wondering because I would like to place case on desk left side and concerned about warm air blowing right into my face :) thanks!
Specifically to mitigate the flow through cooler design from the founders edition gpu. If you have a conventional gpu it shouldn’t be as vital to do rear intake.
My biggest question. Radiator support. Waterblock GPU in mind. Wondering if you can possibly get a bigger Rad on the bottom apposed to the Ncase M1. Or possible video later on this. If only theoretical.
240 at the bottom officially supported, just like the M1. Technically 2x140mm fans fit at the bottom but I think the length of a rad would be super tight (and you also have to consider your tubing run and where the inlets and outlets are). One thing I forgot to mention was that a 120 at the rear is also possible.
@@MachinesMore Really love the Ncase design. My only complaint is adding maybe 15cm to the top, and about 10mm to the bottom. The ultrathin rad is perfectly fine for GPU cooling, but being able to fit the standard 25mm noctua on it would be a huge help. And adding the slim fans to the top to help control the direction of vented air would also help. I know it would make it a bit bigger. But they could just call it the XL version, on for air and one for custom loops. The width I think is perfect. And the from panel doesn’t matter so much because that’s a great space to fit extra 2.5”/3.5”. You make awesome videos man. I think a good addition to your regular stuff is adding a section to all possible Radiator/AIO support. I believe you did it with the nr200. But other then that you do a phenomenal job.
Was expecting better temps than NR200 with the same hardware. Could it be due to not exhausting with the front fan? Extra heat into the psu probably* won't be an issue.
The front fan is set up to exhaust. The primary difference in thermals between the two cases is primarily from the position and compatibility of the top exhausts- the two top 25mm fan is the best place to exhaust since it creates a highly directed vertical column from bottom to top which works well to get both cpu and gpu exhaust out of the case quickly.
@@MachinesMore Oh, from the video, it looked like the PSU fan is also facing the front. If the front fan is exhaust, then it probably isn't affecting much bc PSU fan.
Ah you meant the PSU fan, yes you’re right. And that’s the dilemma I had whether to exhaust into the PSU or to have it in opposition to the front fan. Obviously the front Noctua is much more powerful, the PSU fan isn’t on at full blast with the 3070/3700X combo at load (3080 is a different story), so I think the effect of it holding back the front fan isn’t as big of an issue as potentially drawing in less air for itself. One of those SFF compromises. At the end of the day the GPU thermals I saw were excellent, certainly for a 16L case in between the M1 and NR200 I’d say it’s doing better than I’d expect.
If we’re considering any size for the general user, definitely I would go with the NR200 since it’s easier to build and easier to reconfigure. Also it’s very beginner friendly.
@@MachinesMore Yep, i builded one with 3060ti paired with 5600x and i have loved the case.. i've got in order 3080 oc and 5900x - so ill build it to nr200 too ... 750w psu will be enought for that build and its gonna last a long :D
It would fit in a carry-on, I’d probably pop a tower cooler off if you have one mounted, just to relieve mobo stress from movement. That’s about it, cushion it with clothes, bubble wrap, stuff like that.
Very informative video! I was wondering if there is any way I could “cut” the inside front panel so I can fit my MSI suprim card in this case because it requires 1 extra cm of clearance in length...
Cheers! I think you could, there's enough room for it and I think a rectangular hole is structurally OK, thickness should barely work too (no bottom fans). Do you have the case already? Because the one other thing is the power plug location. The Suprim is 140mm or so, that might interfere with the regular plug, you may want to order the pigtail version. Also, I think you can get the card in but it will definitely be a bit challenging from a build and cable management perspective.
@@MachinesMore thanks for your answer ! I don’t have the case yet, but I’m looking forward to do an itx build with this gpu. I’ve seen that it could barely fit in the nr200 but I wanted a case with a more premium finish. I think I will need to stick to the nr200p though, first because the sliger is ~300€ here against 100€ for the nr200 so I can’t justify that much extra without knowing if it will actually fit... unless I manage to trade my suprim from a smaller gpu, this one is not itx friendly for sure... anyways thanks for your feedback, much appreciated!
I’m guessing it’s similar but the U12A would have the edge. With the unimpeded 120mm fan opening at the back and the possible rear to front (or front to rear) airflow direction I’d say your typical tower has more of an advantage over top down. The interior side fan can help the C14S as well.
Feel likes its a good case with slightly smaller form factor than NR200.. but you got to pay over $100 more for it AND have to pay extra for any accessories.. :/ Love your videos tho!
yeah, that's the main thing that hurts cases like this. 20-23L is fine honestly as a good no compromises ITX case size since it seems that Gigabyte boards tend to have compatibility issues with cases like this.
I would love to get your thoughts on using the external pump rez with this case or a hybrid GPU (ease of build and noise). I am interested in using water cooling to make a really quiet build but as this would be my first time building I'm worried it might be a little too far out of my skill level. Seems like it would be easier to do here vs. NR 200 with the case modding. Fantastic video!
Well, my take on custom cooling is, do it for the looks. If it’s a performance argument then I really feel that high end air cooling can get you close enough to a quiet system. After all you still have a potential DDC pump humming along, though your fans can stay low. In the S620 the setup would have to be bottom plus side rad, and the bottom rad absolutely has to have slim fans, and with the side rad this is a vented panel setup, so no “looks” so to speak. Plus the limitation of a integrated CPU pump block or external res- there’s a lot going the “modded” NR200’s way since a bottom rad with thick fans, standalone pump/res, potential top rad with slim fans, while fully visible with the glass, is going to offer a lot more fun for the custom loop builder. You still have the same bottom plus side rad option if that’s desired. That’s not to say it can’t be done in the S620, just not as many options. edit- On the hybrid GPU - that's a good option sometimes but in SFF it will limit your CPU cooling options. Since the thickness is still too much to mount a bottom rad, you have to side mount it or rear mount it (120 onlyh) and you're either going low profile cooler or potentially a thin tower. It's a halfway point that yields too many compromises- if you're going to water cool the GPU in SFF just go ahead and do a full open loop for everything.
@@MachinesMore Hey thanks so much for the thoughtful reply! Really good points and a lot to think about. I would imagine it's less painful to start with air and move to water if I don't like it, than the other way around. I guess I'm just traumatized by having an old school blower gpu and super tower prebuild that I want to get as far from the noise as possible 😆 I'll say I'm definitely giving air cooling much more consideration thanks to this channel, very much appreciated!
The only thing this case has over the nr200p is that you could fit a big air cooler like the nh d15, other then that I don’t really see why you would spend $150 more on this case over the nr200p.
This would be a “horses for courses” discussion. Performance is one thing but I can also appreciate that some users build PCs for the finer details and quality aspect as well, and this really fulfills that niche. My personal preference is for this size bracket as well. The D15 vs U12A isn’t a night and day difference at all, either.
I dislike Sliger paint. It chips easy. I've had 3 Sliger cases and they all have the same paint process. Out of all niche SFF cases, Sliger is at the bottom. I am glad that this case doesn't use PCIE extension since Sliger uses a cheaper brand that behaves improperly when mixing 3rd gen and 4th gen PCIE components.
Interesting. This one looks different from another Sliger case I have, seems thicker and has more of a hard shell look to it. The 3.0 riser cables are always problematic with PCIe 4.0... and current PCIe 4.0 risers cost an arm and a leg.
not impressed with this case and for $249 plus tax it shows up with uneven feet so it wobbles. I had to cut a piece of rubber as a shim to even it out. I'd never recommend this over the NR200.
All I see is another NR200 style case. Let's face it SFF has turned into nothing but Dan A4 style sandwich cases and this perfect example of an uninspired ITX case that really just fits the normal expectations. How many times we just going to see the saem two style of cases with minimal differences be extolled as something 'new and interesting'. This case is not revolutionary, just vaguely evolutionary.
I have to agree with this. Honestly, the NCase M1, Dan A4, Sliger Cerberus Chimera / SM580, and maybe the Ghost S1 (if not were the inconsistent QC issues) were the trendsetters. Somebody just please make a good 19-24L case as the Lian Li TU-150 is bascially alone in that category for ITX towers (Silverstone SG14 is 19.55L, but it's a cube case). I'm not all that a fan of super tall cases like the Phanteks Shift. The NR200 is honestly heavily inspired by the Ncase M1 and TU150, so I wouldn't really call it all that original. NCase M1 was basically the 'BitFenix Prodigy' of enthusiast, boutique SFF cases and then came the Dan A4 as you mentioned for sandwich cases (do prefer the SM580 especially versatility wise). Lian Li TU-150 again took cues from the NCase M1, but at least they made it into their own with how you can do cable routing in the case.
this graphs make no sense. D15 is a monster. you configured de fans in bad positions. use de psu in horizontal mode, no in front. and use 2x 120mm in top, and 2x 120mm fan in botton. make a air flux. use the rear (120mm fan in side of i/o shield mobo, for INTAKE air no, exaust. the air comes directly in cpu and upwards for top. and in front, use 120x for exaust, taking the gpu hot air. and please, y see the product, not the youtuber in 80% of VIDEO. and please, make videos in zOOM OUT, and no witch 300% of zoom!
Just a quick note on the D15S- Sliger mentions it is compatible, but I haven't tested it out yet. Other than the single fan difference, it is an asymmetrical design. Most likely that means you have to rotate it where clearance at the top would be better, but clearance at the bottom is completely dependent on the CPU socket position. On Asus ITX boards this is typically lower, Gigabyte and MSI have a higher position and would be better for that configuration. As a reference I have about 24mm of space between the bottom of the D15 heatfins and the GPU, by my estimation with the Gigabyte ITX the D15S in a lower position would still clear. YMMV depending on motherboard choice.
With a gigabyte b550i and a noctua d15s, the space is fine on both positions.
Hello, Can you make a Review for Thermalright PA120.. Please.. thank you..
Love this NR200 channel.
Machines & More NR200
Who is here from NR200 days? Lol I know that was just last year 😂. Really love this channel. Thank you for the great reviews.
Why, thank you. Glad to have you along!
Regardless of what you choose to make a video on, it’s always so Informative and well put together. I think this is by far the best channel for finding out info about sff pc’s. Keep it up!
Happy to see a S620 review out in the wild, and even better that it's on your channel. Great review, as usual! I really hope you do a similar series of videos with the S620, like you did with the NR200. The S620 has so many possible airflow configurations that I feel like you just scratched the surface in this video. I would be especially interested to see you test the deshrouded 3080 Ventus in this case. Here's hoping there's more S620 content in the works!
There are a few things in the works, stay tuned and thanks for the support!
Looks like da Machine is trying to make some healthy competition to Optimum Tech :) good job! Your videos are way more detailed and more informative and the community truly appreciates your sincere enthusiasm in producing them.
I'm so glad Sliger gave you a review sample man!! great review as always.
ticked all the things that i was looking for especially with the comparison! you're always awesome!
Ah, the teeeease. I have the white one ordered, can't wait until it gets to me.
Definitely, this is a reference channel. Awesone explanations, and very good info. Nice case this sliger.
Cool looking case, but for $249, the NR200 seems like the much better alternative..
yeah, I'm honestly down with a 20-23L version of the NR200 but with Lian Li quality. I wouldn't mind a Fractal Design version too. Feel like Ncase could just make M1 Max or something, but seems like Necere is content with the success of the M1 line as it's already on v6.1.
Or you could just get your money up, and nullify the problem? A PC gets enough usage for most ppl ($/hr of use over lifetime), that I think buying the best case you can find on the market makes sense 🤷. It’s like cheaping out on your bed/shoes/tires and etc., though not as severe. Some things, you just gotta get the no-compromises version
@@Legomax18 You’re right but you could have been more polite in your response.
Nice! I was waiting for someone to review it, glad it was you
I’m working on my white S620 right now!
Thanks to illustrate how important is exhaust for gpu cooling inside cerberus case family!!
If you ever get your hands on a NH-D15S it would be interesting for you to revisit this case to test compatibility with mobos. I'd imagine whether it can fit would be very dependent on the CPU socket position. With the mobo in the video the D15S seems like it would have to be installed backwards as the regular D15 was already hitting the roof.
Otherwise, great video! Best review of this case so far.
Just a quick note on the D15S- Sliger mentions it is compatible, but I haven't tested it out yet. Other than the single fan difference, it is an asymmetrical design. Most likely that means you have to rotate it where clearance at the top would be better, but clearance at the bottom is completely dependent on the CPU socket position. On Asus ITX boards this is typically lower, Gigabyte and MSI have a higher position and would be better for that configuration. As a reference I have about 24mm of space between the bottom of the D15 heatfins and the GPU, by my estimation with the Gigabyte ITX the D15S in a lower position would still clear. YMMV depending on motherboard choice.
I like the NR200 more. The Sliger is 3x more expensive so I can't justify the price but I'm sure the serious air cooling people will like it better. Would love to see this case tested with an AIO setup! I think AIO users will prefer the NR200. Great video!
I've been eyeing this one for many weeks but couldn't find any reviews about it - till now - must be the first one ! now I have to justify the cost to my wife especially since I already have the also expensive Streacom DA2 ...
You know, it’s a slippery slope. But a fun one. Good luck with the Mrs. 😀
Damn, I freakin' LOVE how this channel is becoming a mini itx specialist!, 😎👍
Wow just wow. It would be really cool to see a custom liquid cooled build in this with contrast to nr200. Or just one video comparing 280mm/240mm aio benchmarks with nr200 comparisons.
Really indepth FIRST LOOK 😂
Awesome job bro much appreciated ❤️
finally someone reviewing this case
As you like slate gray cases, I can recommend the Lazer 3D LZ7 XTD - 10.4 liters with 135 mm cooler height clearance - acrylic panels are offered in a gray almost matching the Sliger cases.
Thank you for reviewing this. I couldn't find anyone covering this. Love your channel. Subbed!
I was looking at a Sliger case, but it was like 4x times as expensive as the NR200P.
on black friday there was only a 5 dollar discount.. so I gave up lol
There’s a lack of fan mounting options too. They should have just made the S620 a no compromise just under 23L case that the Lian Li TU150 should have been.
Thank you for the review. Looking forward to the inverted motherboard & GPU build in this case and your temperature measurements.
Hey man, great video! :)
I've got the Sliger Cerberus and in case of using the rear fan as an intake fan, how bad is it for the PSU in terms of hot air flow to it? I am worried about it.
was waiting for this. Nice build!
See if you can get a Sliger SV590v2 to review. Looks awesome and is designed to fit a 360mm radiator. They offer a bracket for a pump/reservoir combo for $10 to fit in the bottom as well.
So far all I've seen for videos is people putting AIOs in it, when the case seems to have been designed for a CPU+GPU loop. The only bad part is that there isn't an option for a glass side panel.
Wow do you have more guides on the d15 configuration? I’m getting the same case and d15 cooler, it would be great to take a look them.
If you take a look there’s a recent vid comparing the D15S and the Dark Rock Pro 4- should give you a few ideas. The D15 is a bit limited in this case.
Fantastic Video, thanks so much for the help!
I WAS WAITING FOR THIS!! Do you think you can mod fans under it like I did with my nr200p
Nice review. Did you get a chance to try out the inverted layout? Sliger refers to it on their website but I couldn't find a review that talks about it.
High-end version of the NR200. More $$$, but better build quality and a handle. Cant go wrong either way.
Nice size comparison to the nr200, thanks,
damn it! i literally just got my nr200p build done and this is perfect for it!
Sliger makes quality products - I personally purchased their Cerberus X case, but due to limited liquid cooling options (for me personally) and very high price tag - I returned the product. Other than that - great products.
I can't wait until something that competes with the FormDT1 exists and is actually purchasable.
This. I picked up the NR200 and hoping the FormD goes into higher production later this year.
@@vz3_ seriously. I'd love to have one but they're around 500 usd on ebay. insane. im sticking with my m1 v6.1 for now.
I am really curious about the s610, the layout is similar to the nr200,s620 and the ncase.
And the volume is inbetween the s620/ncase, i would love to see a video about them (temps etc, which of them is best?)
Keep at it my friend, love your videos! :)
Nr200p all the way
Of course, cheaper and coolest.
Right? I rather dump the money I saved into a better cpu or gpu. $150+ for a case is robbery. CM hit the nail with NR200/P.
This case is super slick although I wish the side panel to be more vented like Ncase M1 V6
It’s more like v5. There is a scenario where it helps- if you’re intaking from the side panel and run a side exhausting GPU, the blocked off portion prevents the case from just recycling GPU air, especially with an AIO.
That PSU label though... I’d be curious to see other mounting options if going with acrylic panel.
A vinyl cover with heatgun would be the easiest solution. That would be my long term solution.
In Toronto, I would be able to grab 3-4 NR200s for the price of this case.
Nice vid. Would the lack of top exhaust have less of an impact on a GPU with a more traditional layout (like EVGA FTW3) ?
I would think so, especially with the side exhausts combined with side exhausting GPUs (most of the AIB 3000 series designs).
Could you possibly look into the Mechanic Master cases? I'm really interested in their C26/C28 models.
The most important fan in the U12A is the front one and you placed it away from the heatsink fins, hindering its performance. The further away you place fans from the heatsink the worse the performance, just some constructive criticism
I have watched through the whole video and I understand it runs a bit hotter than the nr200. I have a few questions.
1. Will you recommend this case for a first time builder? I could just go out for nr200p in my local market but this case just feels so much high quality.
2. How about ability to expend (upgrade in the future)?
3. Similar price range, how does the S620 compare with the NCase M1?
Thanks for the video anyway!
Hey Mark, thank you for checking in- here are my thoughts-
1) The S620 is OK to build in, the access through the top and front isn’t as nice as in the NR200, I’d say the NR200 is more suited for a first time builder, and yes, the S620 does have a nice feel to it build quality wise, but the NR200’s build flaws are more alignment and finish quality vs structural problems, and from a design perspective it’s a win for the NR200. It’s not as big a difference as you might think. Also there are a slew of color options coming for the NR200/P as well.
2) As long as it’s ITX or DTX boards and a 240 or 280 is good for your CPU, then you are covered. Both are pretty sufficient for bigger GPUs but the Nr200 has a little more going for it since it can go vertical gpu with a riser cable if you want.
3) The M1 is my personal choice but is more cooling limited, and you don’t have as many drive mounting options, it is a different size category and really is more comparable to the S610. If you want to go big air cooler, the S620 is the one to go for.
@@MachinesMore thanks for the insight! I will definitely look for more builds with these cases and make a decision based on my needs (aircool with ryzen 9). I wish you the best with your channel.
I have also just found many videos of nr200 with different options on your channel, I will definitely check them out!
Would you recommend NR200 or S620 with U12A?
Thanks for sharing your testing. You are giving me big time FOMO with this build. :)
Any loud turbulence coming from the bottom 2 fans against panel?
2.5" SSDs is easy. Some 3M double sizes tape and you can't mount a couple of SSDs on the side of the PSU. Heck you could mount two on the side of the PSU and an additional two on top of those for 4 SSDs. Then another one or two on the side of the PSU facing out, though that's probably more SSDs than the motherboard sports.
I have a very specific question for a particular setup in this Sliger case.
I'm using the Noctua NH-U12A with an added slim intake fan and slim fan top exhaust right above the U12A.
The GPU is 4080 FE so there are no bottom fans, and the PSU is side mounted so no front fan either.
Pretty much all the attention is on the CPU and nothing on the GPU except its own cooling solution.
The temps are already pretty solid however I'm looking for recommendations with this setup because I could add a side mount fan or another top mount fan if those have helped temps in anyone's experience?
For the price, I am still surprised this case doesn't have dust filters. Complaints aside, I do like the Ncase M1 layout with room for a big air cooler.
Would be cool to see a 20L NCase M1 with thicker aluminum panels.
would this have enough room to do the deshroud mod? I want this case but I need to be able to fit my Ventus 3x oc deshrouded (it's a 2.7 slot/57 mm card)
Sliger Should have made NR200p Clone but lighter with aluminum instead of steel, and 158mm limit instead of 155m limit of the NR200P then they would be the "Premium" NR200 case, right now its losing too much just to be slightly smaller, the 2 25mm at the top of the NR200 helps a TON with the glass panels duo the lack of vents, plus can't fit slim fans with the big GPUS with sliger unlike NR200 (nr200 got 75mm clearance at the bottom vs 70mm of the sliger and lot of gpus are full 3 slots at 60mm this gen~)
I'd honestly up it to 20-23L to be honest. I think that market is stupidly untapped especially for those that want to go high end air cooling or 2x140mm water cooling as options. The TU150 was a wasted opportunity and I doubt Lian Li will ever update the layout as the TU-series was known mainly for the carrying handle for lan parties.
@@CknSalad NR200p clone but 165m CPU Cooler support would still end up being slightly below 20L, Sliger made a case that supports 165mm cooler but worse GPU Fans support if you use full 3 slot 60mm GPU +No real good exhaust fans like the NR200.
@@HassanAlHajry yeah, that's why I honestly wouldn't mind a Lian Li TU150 size, but with a lot better layout. be nice to see a decently sized ITX tower, but with more breathing room for cable routing and lots of fans.
I had the Ncase M1, and honestly I'm a bit over the whole
Pretty sure you can fit slim fans in there. I might end up mounting them on the outside and installing some slightly thicker feet though. I have the s620 with a 3090 that I just finished. Thinking of 3d printing a “hat” to expand the top a bit as well, seeing as the io panel is removable and could easily accommodate that
249,-.... Totally crazy!
Can the C14S run in low profile-mode in the S620 or does it need to have a 120 mm fan underneath to make it work? Also, how sizeable is the height difference between this case and the NR200 and between the two, which one do you prefer in terms of performance and overall delivery? Furthermore, the max GPU supported is 323 mm and I have a RTX 3070 that is exactly 323 mm. Would this (Gaming Z Trio) realistically fit into the S620? Thanks in advance.
Hey Daniel, the C14S can run in fan on top mode (just like in the NR200). The big advantage the S620 has is in cooler height so big dual towers fit, but even then I think a good single tower is fine for most (not all) CPUs. The NR200 is slightly taller, and the biggest difference is top fan compatibility - which makes a very big difference for overall thermal performance. In general I’d go NR200 but if there is a compelling reason to have out of box SFF compatibility for something like a Dark Rock Pro 4 or D15, that’s what the S620 is for.
I love my NR200!
Fantastic review! I really appreciate that it confirmed a question I couldn't find an answer for anywhere else: that using a NH-D15S (offset toward the GPU) with the Gigabyte Aorus motherboard will *not* allow the use of a 15mm slim fan on the top of the case. Seems like using my Mugen 5 rev B (that I originally bought for my NR200P based on your other videos) is going to be the better choice here. Looking forward to more reviews of this case, and the 610 when you get one!
Sure! I used the D15 but the D15S only offsets maybe 10mm, likely not enough or a fan, but I will try to mount one up.
@@MachinesMore The offset is 8mm (67x83) from what I've read, so it'll be close. I'm curious to see the results! I'll also be curious to see any reviews that omit the bottom fans; the case only has about 70mm of clearance for the GPU, so most of the 3080s/3090s will have to manage without them. Your NR200 reviews suggested bottom fan inclusion wasn't a huge temperature difference, so I'm curious if this case follows suit.
Is there a reason why you chose rear-to-front air direction? I'm just thinking about opposite direction, will it be worse? I'm wondering because I would like to place case on desk left side and concerned about warm air blowing right into my face :) thanks!
Specifically to mitigate the flow through cooler design from the founders edition gpu. If you have a conventional gpu it shouldn’t be as vital to do rear intake.
One can fit NH D15 in a CustMod R-Cube Case. Have you had a look at it? Its just 12.7L!
Will take a look!
My biggest question. Radiator support.
Waterblock GPU in mind. Wondering if you can possibly get a bigger Rad on the bottom apposed to the Ncase M1. Or possible video later on this. If only theoretical.
240 at the bottom officially supported, just like the M1. Technically 2x140mm fans fit at the bottom but I think the length of a rad would be super tight (and you also have to consider your tubing run and where the inlets and outlets are). One thing I forgot to mention was that a 120 at the rear is also possible.
@@MachinesMore Really love the Ncase design. My only complaint is adding maybe 15cm to the top, and about 10mm to the bottom. The ultrathin rad is perfectly fine for GPU cooling, but being able to fit the standard 25mm noctua on it would be a huge help. And adding the slim fans to the top to help control the direction of vented air would also help.
I know it would make it a bit bigger. But they could just call it the XL version, on for air and one for custom loops. The width I think is perfect. And the from panel doesn’t matter so much because that’s a great space to fit extra 2.5”/3.5”.
You make awesome videos man. I think a good addition to your regular stuff is adding a section to all possible Radiator/AIO support. I believe you did it with the nr200. But other then that you do a phenomenal job.
when will we see a formd t1 build or the new upcoming formd t1
Was expecting better temps than NR200 with the same hardware. Could it be due to not exhausting with the front fan? Extra heat into the psu probably* won't be an issue.
The front fan is set up to exhaust. The primary difference in thermals between the two cases is primarily from the position and compatibility of the top exhausts- the two top 25mm fan is the best place to exhaust since it creates a highly directed vertical column from bottom to top which works well to get both cpu and gpu exhaust out of the case quickly.
@@MachinesMore Oh, from the video, it looked like the PSU fan is also facing the front. If the front fan is exhaust, then it probably isn't affecting much bc PSU fan.
Ah you meant the PSU fan, yes you’re right. And that’s the dilemma I had whether to exhaust into the PSU or to have it in opposition to the front fan. Obviously the front Noctua is much more powerful, the PSU fan isn’t on at full blast with the 3070/3700X combo at load (3080 is a different story), so I think the effect of it holding back the front fan isn’t as big of an issue as potentially drawing in less air for itself. One of those SFF compromises. At the end of the day the GPU thermals I saw were excellent, certainly for a 16L case in between the M1 and NR200 I’d say it’s doing better than I’d expect.
Is still Nr200 your best pick for mini itx case?
If we’re considering any size for the general user, definitely I would go with the NR200 since it’s easier to build and easier to reconfigure. Also it’s very beginner friendly.
@@MachinesMore Yep, i builded one with 3060ti paired with 5600x and i have loved the case.. i've got in order 3080 oc and 5900x - so ill build it to nr200 too ... 750w psu will be enought for that build and its gonna last a long :D
Can I put nr200 as a carry-on in airport/plane? Planning to build one this December.
It would fit in a carry-on, I’d probably pop a tower cooler off if you have one mounted, just to relieve mobo stress from movement. That’s about it, cushion it with clothes, bubble wrap, stuff like that.
@@MachinesMore Thank you, your video on nr200 are amazing and helpful. I will also remove the gpu as well.
Very informative video! I was wondering if there is any way I could “cut” the inside front panel so I can fit my MSI suprim card in this case because it requires 1 extra cm of clearance in length...
Cheers! I think you could, there's enough room for it and I think a rectangular hole is structurally OK, thickness should barely work too (no bottom fans). Do you have the case already? Because the one other thing is the power plug location. The Suprim is 140mm or so, that might interfere with the regular plug, you may want to order the pigtail version. Also, I think you can get the card in but it will definitely be a bit challenging from a build and cable management perspective.
@@MachinesMore thanks for your answer ! I don’t have the case yet, but I’m looking forward to do an itx build with this gpu. I’ve seen that it could barely fit in the nr200 but I wanted a case with a more premium finish. I think I will need to stick to the nr200p though, first because the sliger is ~300€ here against 100€ for the nr200 so I can’t justify that much extra without knowing if it will actually fit... unless I manage to trade my suprim from a smaller gpu, this one is not itx friendly for sure... anyways thanks for your feedback, much appreciated!
Still in my h200 with my Dark Rock Pro 4 and can't see myself changing... although this is interesting.
No aluminium front?? So, whats the point of buying this instead of NR200?
It is aluminum front and top as well. I said side panels when I meant the external panels, apologies.
@@MachinesMore No need. It was very detailed Review. Personaly having RAIJINTEK thetis. Front is so cool i had struggle to change that case.
For $250, I would much rather have the $80 do it all NR200
With side mounted PSU Is It possibile to mount front fan?
No, but you can mount on the side panel.
How do you think the C14s would do in this case?
I’m guessing it’s similar but the U12A would have the edge. With the unimpeded 120mm fan opening at the back and the possible rear to front (or front to rear) airflow direction I’d say your typical tower has more of an advantage over top down. The interior side fan can help the C14S as well.
Feel likes its a good case with slightly smaller form factor than NR200.. but you got to pay over $100 more for it AND have to pay extra for any accessories.. :/
Love your videos tho!
and @Moores Law is Dead says the ITX form factor is dead
Can the ventus 3x fit inside it deshrouded?
Yes.
D15s can fit a top fan, depending on mobo
yeah, that's the main thing that hurts cases like this. 20-23L is fine honestly as a good no compromises ITX case size since it seems that Gigabyte boards tend to have compatibility issues with cases like this.
I would love to get your thoughts on using the external pump rez with this case or a hybrid GPU (ease of build and noise). I am interested in using water cooling to make a really quiet build but as this would be my first time building I'm worried it might be a little too far out of my skill level. Seems like it would be easier to do here vs. NR 200 with the case modding.
Fantastic video!
Well, my take on custom cooling is, do it for the looks. If it’s a performance argument then I really feel that high end air cooling can get you close enough to a quiet system. After all you still have a potential DDC pump humming along, though your fans can stay low. In the S620 the setup would have to be bottom plus side rad, and the bottom rad absolutely has to have slim fans, and with the side rad this is a vented panel setup, so no “looks” so to speak. Plus the limitation of a integrated CPU pump block or external res- there’s a lot going the “modded” NR200’s way since a bottom rad with thick fans, standalone pump/res, potential top rad with slim fans, while fully visible with the glass, is going to offer a lot more fun for the custom loop builder. You still have the same bottom plus side rad option if that’s desired. That’s not to say it can’t be done in the S620, just not as many options.
edit- On the hybrid GPU - that's a good option sometimes but in SFF it will limit your CPU cooling options. Since the thickness is still too much to mount a bottom rad, you have to side mount it or rear mount it (120 onlyh) and you're either going low profile cooler or potentially a thin tower. It's a halfway point that yields too many compromises- if you're going to water cool the GPU in SFF just go ahead and do a full open loop for everything.
@@MachinesMore Hey thanks so much for the thoughtful reply! Really good points and a lot to think about. I would imagine it's less painful to start with air and move to water if I don't like it, than the other way around. I guess I'm just traumatized by having an old school blower gpu and super tower prebuild that I want to get as far from the noise as possible 😆
I'll say I'm definitely giving air cooling much more consideration thanks to this channel, very much appreciated!
The only thing this case has over the nr200p is that you could fit a big air cooler like the nh d15, other then that I don’t really see why you would spend $150 more on this case over the nr200p.
This would be a “horses for courses” discussion. Performance is one thing but I can also appreciate that some users build PCs for the finer details and quality aspect as well, and this really fulfills that niche. My personal preference is for this size bracket as well. The D15 vs U12A isn’t a night and day difference at all, either.
I dislike Sliger paint. It chips easy. I've had 3 Sliger cases and they all have the same paint process. Out of all niche SFF cases, Sliger is at the bottom. I am glad that this case doesn't use PCIE extension since Sliger uses a cheaper brand that behaves improperly when mixing 3rd gen and 4th gen PCIE components.
Interesting. This one looks different from another Sliger case I have, seems thicker and has more of a hard shell look to it. The 3.0 riser cables are always problematic with PCIe 4.0... and current PCIe 4.0 risers cost an arm and a leg.
Nice case, but in Germany we can not buy it.
Sliger cases always expensive... they totally made this for US only... oversea can't afford this...
not impressed with this case and for $249 plus tax it shows up with uneven feet so it wobbles. I had to cut a piece of rubber as a shim to even it out. I'd never recommend this over the NR200.
too bad customer support sucks and their manuals dont provide any dimensional info which for a sff is crucial
It's sooo expensive
All I see is another NR200 style case. Let's face it SFF has turned into nothing but Dan A4 style sandwich cases and this perfect example of an uninspired ITX case that really just fits the normal expectations. How many times we just going to see the saem two style of cases with minimal differences be extolled as something 'new and interesting'. This case is not revolutionary, just vaguely evolutionary.
I have to agree with this. Honestly, the NCase M1, Dan A4, Sliger Cerberus Chimera / SM580, and maybe the Ghost S1 (if not were the inconsistent QC issues) were the trendsetters. Somebody just please make a good 19-24L case as the Lian Li TU-150 is bascially alone in that category for ITX towers (Silverstone SG14 is 19.55L, but it's a cube case). I'm not all that a fan of super tall cases like the Phanteks Shift.
The NR200 is honestly heavily inspired by the Ncase M1 and TU150, so I wouldn't really call it all that original. NCase M1 was basically the 'BitFenix Prodigy' of enthusiast, boutique SFF cases and then came the Dan A4 as you mentioned for sandwich cases (do prefer the SM580 especially versatility wise). Lian Li TU-150 again took cues from the NCase M1, but at least they made it into their own with how you can do cable routing in the case.
this graphs make no sense. D15 is a monster. you configured de fans in bad positions. use de psu in horizontal mode, no in front. and use 2x 120mm in top, and 2x 120mm fan in botton. make a air flux. use the rear (120mm fan in side of i/o shield mobo, for INTAKE air no, exaust. the air comes directly in cpu and upwards for top. and in front, use 120x for exaust, taking the gpu hot air. and please, y see the product, not the youtuber in 80% of VIDEO. and please, make videos in zOOM OUT, and no witch 300% of zoom!
Great review, thanks muchly!