I think most ppl did not get the point of the previous video. He is a heavy video editor, he only cares about color and performance. It really depends on your situation. If you want to get super sharp text and don't care about performance, just get the highest resolution possible. If you care about performance more than sharp text, follow the 110/220 dpi rule. If you want everything, spend more money, 5k 27" or Apple's original monitor.
Honestly, I thought your first video about this topic was rather clear, makes good sense. Message is unless you can accommodate a monitor with minimal size of 32” in 16:9, don’t bother getting 4K. I am using dual monitors - one is the Dell P2715Q 27 inch 4K and a Dell U2415 24 inch 2K and am experiencing the same problem with the 4K monitor and wondered why I even bothered spending the money on it. My desk size can only have two monitors no larger than 27’. Really appreciate your vid and now making this follow up response to the naysayers. Thank you
@@walkmanbg I would like to know too. By the way, did you purchase your 24-25 inch 1440p monitor? Did you need to scale? What is your assessment of working with two monitors with different resolutions?
@@n2o2co2h2o I got 2x27 4k and scale it to 2308 x something. Using Better Display software, it looks great! 1440p scaling on 27 is too small for me, 1080p too large even though it is the default one and looks great!
I agree with everything you’ve said in this video apart from the response to the question about 120hz vs 60hz. I used to be someone that thought “eh, who needs more than 60”, but now - it’s SO hard to go back once you use that high refresh rate. It’s just amazing and hard to put into words how fast everything feels. I literally feel more productive because of it. So I’d recommend to people to go for a gaming monitor that can be calibrated well for creative work - those do exist. Out of the box the colors might be whack but once you calibrate those, and get it looking identical to your macbook - it’s life changing. And I am also using a 13” m1 macbook pro 2020 version. It’s lovely using it on a high refresh monitor with good colors. I was thinking about upgrading to the 16” macbook pro to have more screen real estate, but this monitor has changed everything for me.
@@lcsmn0217 I got the Dell S2721DGF. Its black levels aren’t great, but I was able to calibrate it to look virtually identical to my MacBook Pro display, so I feel very comfortable that my colors are great while editing photos and videos, and that 165hz refresh rate is just *chef’s kiss*
@@ksc6000 On Apple page they state that MacBook Pro M1 2020 can connect up to two monitors with 60Hz, 6k. So how can you utilise 165Hz when your laptop doesn't support that? I've the same model and am researching for 27”monitor.
Your explanation in the other video was perfect, maybe some people are too lazy to pay attention. I've looked for this answer for a long time. I have a 2019 MacBook pro with the intel i9. For years I've been wanting to upgrade my 27 inch Thunderbolt display which is 1440p, to a 4K monitor. The Thunderbolt display is a a great monitor but by now it is ancient. Back in march, I finally got a 27 inch LG 4k monitor. BUT, after first time hooking it up, the performance was so underwhelming that I literally disconnected the monitor, placed it back in the box, and never used it. I do photo and video editing. I was hoping that maybe later getting an m1 chip MacBook could solve the issue.
Mac has a tendency to set 4K displays to scale with LoDPI (non-retina). This makes the image quality slightly blurry and makes the text especially not crisp. The app betterdisplay forces HiDPI (retina) mode which tremendously improves the crispness of the images and especially makes the text sharp similar to native macbook and ipad dispalys. I highly recommend it as it will solve most mac image quality issues.
3rd party app *BetterDisplay* HighDPI modes that supports ALL displays is the correct answer here. Also look for 3:2 aspect ratio 4k 10-bit color display with high pixel density or even 28” 2k display low pixel density to suit your needs. For video editing and 3D work *so* much nonsense. All video editing and 3D software “scales” via virtual displays and frame buffers. These workloads demand massive amounts of I/O, GPU and CPU to perform well with 4kUHD or 1080pHD video files and output. That’s why PC laptops have RTX or 10+ GPU cores (Pro, Max) to handle these tasks. Windows “300%” scaling on 15” >200ppi and smaller displays on Surface, 4k, 5k displays is not fun to configure and no picnic for my myopic (-6sphere) eyes.
Agreed. That is the app that saved my day... Fiddeling with the DPI made the image "workable" for text. Even text is horrible without that program. And I saw that this "featre" was build into MacOS but was taken out! That is soooooo crappy move my Apple. That comment alone made me anry and almost selling my m3 and go virtual on MacOS. It's fustrating that Windows and Mac world is not more aligned here.
I think people are missing the main point here, which is the PHYSICAL PIXELS of the monitor. This problem is not about PPI, but about scaling physical pixels. A 4K monitor has 3840 x 2160 pixels, which are micro points of light. When you reduce the resolution to 1080p (1920x1080), you basically use 2 physical pixels from your monitor to represent 1px of the image. The quality gets much better, and that's called RETINA. Now if you scale a 4K monitor to 1440p (2550x1440), you are telling your monitor to use 1.5 physical pixels from it to represent 1px of the image. But there's no such thing as 1.5 physical pixels! Each pixel is one point of light. You can use 2, 3, or more, but you can't use half or any decimal. That's why 5K is the retina display for 1440p resolution. I'm just wondering how Windows handles this...
You shouldn’t apologize you were exactly right 4K is totally useless on a Mac Book Air. Proper scaling is everything. On 4/10/24 I bought a 27 inch ASUS PA278CV For $249 on Amazon plugged it into my MacBook Air M1 worked perfectly right out of the box. It came with a USB-C connection and cable, so it charges my MacBook with 65 W of power. The 1440 scaling is perfect and the colors are great. It came with a three-year warranty and a guarantee of pixels who could ask for more only $249?💻🖥️🤪 I tried the Dell 27 inch 4K $299 monitor put it back in the box after two hours of use. As you had stated, the scaling had the Goldilocks syndrome,never seemed quite right too small or too big plus the colors were washed out compared to the ASUS. Also, the Dell only had a one-year warranty makes you wonder if they know some thing we don’t. You only get the three-year warranty if you bump up to the more costly $400 and up monitors.👺🖥️
I liked your previous video and agree 100%. Had exactly the same issue on my mac and I thought I was crazy. Rude people should just stop complaining and go out and buy the 4K monitor. It's their money, so they can waste it if they want to. It helped me and I am sure there are others like me. Thanks!
New sub! I think you did a masterful job explaining something that I could never understand. I’m not there yet fully, but sure learned a lot from you. Thank you for taking the time to make this video! Not enough pancake though.
I understood and related to your first video as helping me understand my dilemma with a 4K 27" Dell monitor and my Mac Mini. Thanks for addressing the questions!
Honestly, I never thought about this at all when considering a monitor. I just picked up one of the new Mac Mini M2 Pro and now looking to pair a decent monitor and was just thinking 4k all the way. Even though I'm pretty sure this new machine will handle the upscaling and then downscaling just fine, I just don't like the fact that it would have to do that at all and use unnecessary burden on the system, however unnoticeable it may be. So I understood your original video to mean that 4K isn't always as cut and dry as it seems, which to someone like me (not an expert tech person) it at least gave me some pause to consider screen size as well as resolution. For a system as optimized as apple's new hardware, I don't like the idea of things not being as optimized as possible (as in, performing extra tasks all the time because I chose a less that optimal configuration). So thanks for the original video and this one.
Which operating system you use is a personal choice. Cannot really switch between and Mac OS just because of scaling issues just like most of us aren’t switching between Android and iOS every fewm months, so I don’t understand those comments at all. Just seems like a way to take a dig at Apple products. Now I’ll watch the rest of the video…
I switched to apple because of the stability issues of windows also when it comes better portability, better looking UI, no blue screen green screen circus from updates apple is way better for photo and video editing ... People taking a dig at apple products makes no sense in my opinion... Windows UI and everything looks very cheap in my opinion
I bought a 2560x1440 32 inch gaming monitor over a 4K 32 inch after watching your video explaining why you returned your 4K monitor. By god the text is horrible but everything else is just fine. Now I have to switch to 4K.
Given that Apple appears to target 110 dpi for system menus and windows, anything that departs too far from that results in text that are too big or too small. What I noticed is that focusing on the vertical lines of physical pixels per screen size helps to simplify things. Potential problems can happen with 4k screens which has 2160 vertical lines. On a 27 in monitor this is around 160 dpi and on 32 in monitor, this is 140 dpi. Since they are both not anywhere near 110 dpi, scaling is needed. What is clear is that under demanding scenarios which most of us probably would not notice, performance can be compromised. How does Apple do it? On a 32 in XDR with 3384 vertical lines, Apple uses 2 lines for each display line so that it acts like a monitor with 1692 lines resulting in 108 dpi. And the 27 in Studio with 2880 vertical lines scaled to 1440 lines results in 109 dpi. Since Apple’s monitors are using 2 physical lines for each display line, you do get sharper text and dividing by 2 is a simple operation, the performance burden is minimized. What this says is that if we use a 4k monitor which has 2160 vertical lines, if it is a 32 in monitor, we need to scale it to 1692 vertical lines like the XDR. But there is no way to get to 1692 from 2160 that is evenly divisible. So there will be “shimmering” during scrolling and this operation is probably computationally more taxing than just dividing by 2. However, 2160 times 3/4 is 1620 lines and 103 dpi which should avoid “fractional” scaling and probably computationally less taxing. The text would be a bit larger than ideal but this could improve performance and visual quality. But without 3rd party software this option is not offered out of the box. For 27” monitors, this problem is potentially less problematic by using 2/3 scaling which is 2160 scaled down to 1440 for 109 dpi. Since this scaling is evenly divisible, 3 physical lines per 2 display lines, we should experience less visual distortions and hopefully less performance issues. But if one’s use is very demanding then I suppose even doing the 2/3 scaling can be a problem. I have a 4k 32” monitor like many MacBook users and I chose the 1692 line scaling option. While I have not experienced performance issues because I am not doing anything graphically intensive, I do see that it isn’t as sharp as my MacBook’s screen. But at the normal viewing distance it is “good enough” for me. But since everyone’s visual acuity is different and everyone’s requirements are unique, there is no way for anyone to say if getting a 4k 32” monitor is always good or bad. In fact, I know that some people with good eyes are perfectly comfortable with 140 dpi that result in tiny text, and use their 4k monitor at its native 2160 lines setting. I suppose if you have the cash, some would say just buy the XDR!
There is no reason for ppl to have given negative comments in your previous video leading to this one. The market has always been full of hardware that supports Windows computers because unlike Apple, Windows has many manufacturers for monitors and desktops. Whenever Apple has made their own computers, like the iMac, the technology necessary to run macOS was built right into those monitors. Apple doesn’t license macOS to 3rd party manufacturers like Windows does. Apple is the sole creator of both their OS and the hardware which is very different to how Microsoft runs as a business. So to ppl who commented saying things like “you should have switched the computer from Mac to Windows, not the monitor” and “Windows doesn’t have this problem,” those ppl don’t understand what I just explained above, which is that the only company capable of making monitors to run Apple’s superior displays is Apple. Sure there are now only about 3 or 4 other companies who have made 5K monitors geared towards Mac computers, but that is a tiny fraction of a computer market that was once dominated by windows. Most external monitors on the market are designed to work within Windows computers. As someone who has a 16” M1 MacBook Pro, with its amazing xdr display, and who is now looking into getting a monitor, I feel like us Mac users have to be educated first which is why I have found a lot of value from your previous video. Mac computers are just so good they Windows monitors aren’t good enough to run them. Thankfully we do have a few 5K 27” monitor options out there and right now I’m looking at the Samsung viewfinity S9 5K monitor bc it’s on sale for half the price of the Apple studio display.
Awesome follow up to the original video on this topic. Your video editing is also getting better as demonstrated from the original video into this follow up video. Keep up the good work.
Windows PCs have this exact problem. Only that they passes the problem to the user. Most users are scaling without noticing or have a tiny user interface and don't look it as a problem.
Just ordered a 27" 4K display and happened to watch your previous video. I have a 13-inc M1 MacBook Pro too. Definitely have to scale it to 1440 or a bit lower. Your video really helps. Thank you.
I'm late to this discussion but I've been using a wall mounted (over my desk and using the HDMI 4:4:4 pass through) 42" 4k LG C3 as a monitor for a while and it's amazing. It scales to the "good zone" at about 105ppi. I have to lean in to less than 10 inches away before I can MAYBE see a pixel. The color and gamut is amazing as well. The HDR and brightness is among the best, easily. I currently dual use with my pallette on a 27" and workspace on the 42". I'm going to dual 42" it soon. You can get 42" C3s on sale for under $900 just about anywhere.
I found your first video very helpful and clear and I live in Germany…so my english skills are not the best 😅. Mac-hater are everywhere and you shouldn’t answer to this. I understand your point and thank you so much 🙏🏻.
I thought the first video was great. You explained the issue in incredible depth at a fast pace, so in order to benefit from the research you did (God bless you, you saved me from pulling my hair out trying to run that whole thing down) the listener had to pay attention, but also not get caught up in the details which were just part of the overall explanation. I'm not the sharpest knife in the ... the ... drawer (see!) and I understood it completely. The thing I came away with most, is that you really take the time to know your shit and can explain it in a relatable understandable manner. Peace
I just got a 1440 27inch display. Looks great. Works great. On a 14 inch MBP M1 max. I saved a good bit of money over the Studio Display, but still sort of wish I sprang for it. This is an Eizo Color Edge with Adobe RGB and hardware calibration, so better in some ways than the Apple Display, but it is not nearly as nice to look at as the MBP screen or my old 5k iMac. Beautiful calibration and print matching however, which are more important to me overall.
Actually your original video on the subject helped clarify and emphasize something very important regarding the subject at hand, namely that there is a performance hit when using 4K monitors on a macbook when the scaling comes into play. AND when you are pushing the system to its limits This was critical in understanding the larger topic of not having the 6K studio monitor for Mac.
All it is, is that you like 2560x1440 rendered natively on a 27" screen and expect things to be rendered at that size, while your Mac can actually cope with running Blender like that. Which makes sense because for years Apple shipped 27” displays and iMacs with exactly that size and resolution combination, and then they doubled it to 5K. What you actually needed if you wanted to go 4K was a 5K 27" monitor and to run at 200% scaling so you get the crisp image of 5K and the 1440p 27” UI sizing you expect. What you don't like is 1920x1080 UI scaling at 27" because things are bigger than you expect, and you don't like native 4K scaling at 27" because things are smaller than you expect. Apple "choose weird resolutions like 5K" because it allows you to display a full resolution 4K image with UI controls around the video.
My friend, you did a great great GREAT job explaining in the previous video, so do not mind about many of those comments. Bests regards forma Venezuelan viewer!
I fund the video to address my blury text with mac very good. I've never understod the reason for it. Yes. Windows just works! That pains me. I'm a heavy user of both systems all the time and the Windows is SUPER crisp. Mac is not. While the mac is double the $$$. I found some cheap software that corrects the issue on 4k. At least it's doing a VERY good job. Now it's fine with the mac. I had to fiddle with the settings but now it's fine. I hate that we cant have more options in the 5k space. I have searched the internet - even went to china searhing - by a brand that does 5k but the reviews where VERY bad of the compagny. So that is a no go. The only 5k is the S9 at the moment. And that also lacks some features and apperanly the monitor is buggy. Hard to color calibrate and even "forgets" it's calibration when unplugging. So your video made me seriously think 1440p as I just care about the sharpness. Not the smoothness. Im on a small laptop with 1080p windows and I like the way text is showing up. Yes I can see pixels. So what. And 1440 is half the price of 4k. There are a lot of 1440 options. And I still might even go there. Assuming that $$$ is not an option and Apple Displays are NEVER an option. Just for the lack of integration of devices other than mac. We are some that uses both mac and windows 50/50 of the time. So thanks for the video! You made my day more clear with the scaling. And I have looked at 1920x1080 sceens for MANY years. I dont care. It's sharp. But if the content is fuzzy I get fustrated. Now I know why on a mac.
I was hoping you'd talk about people's response videos to your last vid. I saw a few people who ran tests with a 27inch 4k monitor scaled at different resolutions and found no performance issues at all.
Just a little info on displays in general: the percentile coverage of a color space does not make it xy% accurate, it just means, the display can cover the extreme colors xy%. The spec you showed at 7:05 is a lot more informative though, as it mentions a color accuracy of DeltaE
Don’t listen to anyone claiming to use native 4k resolution on a 27” and find it comfortable. If they do, then they don’t use it to anything besides firing up a game or to binge netflix. You can manage to get into that even with small text and buttons. But then you’re pretty much using your monitor as a television/gaming monitor. You’re not doing any productivity on it.
A 2k monitor in 27 inch is similar to a LED Cinema Display 27" monitor (10 year ago) made by Apple. It is a non-retina display but it is clear for a sharp font. That's why 2k at 27 inch is a decent resolution in this case.
Many photographers who edit photos to print (as opposed to sharing on social media) prefer to use a 2K monitor such as the BenQ 270c. A 2K monitor is an excellent option. I love mine.
Well explained, now it all makes sense to me. In all fairness, though, and as much as I cannot stand windows: the mac os scaling/resolution settings always felt inferior, but apparently they do so for a reason.
Yea, I tried a 43" 4K. Native was still too small for the interface elements. I mean, it was OK, but still rough. I did not want the 1920x1080 native scale. Everything was too huge. Scaling was wonky. The intermediate scales were fuzzy and I did pick up some lag/flicker. I went back to some old 2007 Apple Cinema Display 30" and my eyes were so much happier. So, I am sticking with 2560x1600 displays until 6k displays are more common. I am not gaming...so I need height as well as width.
10:53 if "double 1440p" is the sweets spot for Mac, would you say the Lg Ergo Dual Up monitor can work? It's a monitor with 2560 x 2880 (like two 1440p monitores stacked up), a roughly square resulution that delivers good real state for a vertical timeline for video editores. Thank you for the content!
If I’m honest, I initially disliked the video. I figured that if RUclips rated shorter videos better, it could have been a 5 minute video instead of 15. But, I watched it again later and with more patience, and appreciated the detail you went into. The Bjango article was a cool find.
I use 24" 1920x1080p as an external monitor for my MacBook Air M1 and it doesn't look blurry at all. And I edit videos every days on it since 2021 and never experienced any performance issues neither. I wanted to buy a 4k monitor tho but now I'm not sure If it's a good idea 😅
Thanks for the followup video. Question: If I don't mind small texts/icons. Running at native resolution (no scaling), which one do you recommend? 1440p or 4k, on 27inch. Mostly used for photo editing.
I'm really late to the party but I wanted to let you know that your video was crystal clear, and I ended up buying the same ASUS ProArt 27 that you did. It's excellent, especially for the price point, and it perfectly meets my needs. So much so that I've ordered another for my wife to use with her Windows desktop (at her request after she saw mine).
What size of scale you use on windows, i mean text scale,100% as "recomended" or more? i use it on 125%. with recomended size(100%) text and UI is too tiny:(
@@RezoUI I use it on the default 100% on my Mac Studio Max but my wife prefers 125% on her Windows 10 desktop. I think it scales very nicely at either setting.
@@bryans8656 Thanks. I also use it on 125% scale but i noticed due to this some artefacts when i using Figma as Ui designer. It shows some defects when i present web page. it has some white lines on edges and some defects.
@@bryans8656 Yeah, as UI Designer i have noticed some defects due to scale. That's why i returned it and will buy FHD 27 inch. It doesn't need scaling and works well with default 100% scale. I had same problem with 4k monitor. They all need to scale and there is another pain working on Windows.
im currently looking for a monitor to use in blender as well and your videos provided a ton of answers. one question i still have is, did you try and change the scaling preferences within blender on the 4k monitor? im thinking that would give a win/win of 4k resolution as well as solving the small icon issue within blender
Thanks you for both these videos; timing couldn't be better. Looked at the 1440p monitor to go with my M2 Mac mini but unlike many others it doesn't have 10bit. Is that a problem for you. Looking to use with 10bit drone footage. Best to you, great job.
Thanks a lot for these technicals infos. I'm about to buy a MB pro M2. What I've understood from your advices is the LG UltraFine™ 27MD5KLP-B would be a good option with the Mac since it is in the retina zone. I edit a lot of 4k, 6k videos and use After effects also all the time.
FWIIW I watched your first video several times, and to me there is no detectable waffle going on. Whomever deployed that comment is obviously a practiced waffle-baitor. Someone who attempts to provoke waffle so they can then slam you for waffling. You handled the attack perfectly though by not waffling in your response. I got a lot from 1440p video #1 and the same for this video. Thanks!
@Hunter King What I'd like to understand is what is the difference between "Resolution" and "UI Looks Like" in macOS System Information? It's still so so so confusing. I have a 32" UHD 3840X2160 monitor. When I select 2560x1440, macOS says "Resolution: 5120x2880, UI Looks like 2560x1440" .... why is macOS reporting the incorrect resolution of my 4K UHD monitor? It's very confusing.
It upscales to the native Mac resolution of 5k hence 5120x2880 and then halve it to hit your desired UI of 2560x1440. Your monitor's resolution is still 4k i.e. 3840x2160 but your UI's resolution is at 2560x1440 hence why your UI looks larger than keeping it at the default 3840x2160 resolution.
@@implisyt Thank you, but what do you mean when you write "native Mac resolution of 5k"? In Windows it shows me the correct resolution. What happens when I hook up a regular 1080p monitor?
I guess I’m trying to understand why macOS has to upscale to a resolution that my monitor doesn’t even support. I’m very confused why the developers of this operating system did something like this. It seems very counterproductive and counterintuitive.
@@asafblasbergvideographer Unsure about Windows however for Macs as per the video, the native resolution is 5k hence why the Apple Studio and the previously sold 27" iMac are all at 5k resolution. So if your resolution is not 5k it will upscale it to 5k first and then downscale it to your selected resolution. Which explains what you are seeing as stated in your first post.
Thank you. I bought a 1440p monitor after watching your first video. If one doesn't want to spend money on high price products, one must compromise on one thing or another. Like you, I chose to save money rather than going for a 5k. Many thanks.
@@YTTerm Thanks, I do not do the art works either, and was wondering if the text is clear enough for daily use such as browsing, office stuff etc. :D Which model did you choose?
I agree and have a m1 MacBook connected to a 5k Apple studio 27inch Display and it scales it down to 2560 X1440 resolution. Most people wouldn’t even know this unless they select the advance setting to “show resolution as list” than the ugly truth 😂 shows itself. Returning it for a 1440p since that’s the most optimal setting for the M1 MB Air.
5:58 So does 110 PPI always cause blurry text? I had the 34" AOPEN 34HC5CUR monitor which was 110 PPI, but I returned it becase it either made the text blurry, or everything super small. I tried that Better Display software but could never find a sweet spot. Currently, I use two 24" HP W243i monitors with about 94 PPI and I am very satisfied with them. No blurry text and it doesn't seem to do any scaling that uses RAM (correct me if I'm wrong). It's probably not as sharp of a resolution as others but it's a sweet spot for me. But I want the 40"+ equivalent of these monitors to have one nice big monitor on my desk. Can anybody who has a 110 PPI monitor with mac comment their experience with text and performance?
Thanks for the videos! Something I just thought of now. In this video when you say 5k will be better than 4k. In terms of scaling, that only applies if you're using it scaled down to the 1440p right? If you use the 5k natively, then everything will be even smaller than it was on the 4k native right?
No, the last comment was correct. You can use a 4k monitor in 1440. The Laptop pumps out a 1440 signal and the monitor takes care of the rest. But, the actual response is, “Then why have a 4k monitor?” But one of the unfortunately missed best responses to his original video, was that this appears that it could entirely be the result of limited vram, that is shared with the system. As others have tested this, and found no slowdown with higher amounts of system memory. The primary issue is likely just a weak computer, for the tasks being performed at higher resolutions. If you’re using a MacBook Pro with 32gb ram, it is highly unlikely, you need to worry about any if this… Unless you have several memory intensive apps open at once, trying to chug away at a task, at the same time.
"The Laptop pumps out a 1440 signal and the monitor takes care of the rest." - No. Or at least in the case of MacOS and the monitor in use, that is not how it works. MacOS scaling is simply a _user interface_ mapping for a zoom level ("1440" is 150% zoom when the base value is 2160). That the Mac has to do this zooming in real time is why he ran into problems trying to run Blender (a processor hog) on a base level M1 MacBook.
Thanks. Can I confirm something: can macs always just put one pixel to one pixel (retina off)? Like as long as you don’t want retina, the only remaining consideration is dpi? And if you do want retina, then halve the dimensions and continue as you were?
Would you recommend a 24" 1440p monitor (dual setup), or does the 110 ppi not scale to the "good zone" for 24"? Not seeing that option referenced in the Bjango article. Debating going up to a 27" 1440p, but wanted to see if I could get a crisper image by scaling dow, but dont want to negatively affect the native ppi.
Hey there! Technically the 24” will be better at a 1080p resolution, I would personally go for a 27” 1440p if you can afford it! You get a lot more for your money and when I put mine beside my 24” 1080p screen, it’s actually hilarious how much different they are
@@itshunterking I'm trying both a 24" and 27" out now at 1440p to see which one I should go with for a dual setup - using the Asus ProArt display from your last video for the 27". Are there Mac display settings I should switch on for a Mac color profile and to make sure it is running as smoothly as possible? Whenever I turn on the "High Dynamic Range" with 75 Hz, the screen gets way dimmer even on highest brightness.
@@colewilger9624 How has your experience been with the 24-inch monitor at 1440p? For those who need to work reading graphics, texts and browsing the internet, do you think it will be necessary to adjust the scale as the size of the letters may become too small?
I code and see lots of text so I think 4K would be a better choice for the budget. We get 4K for 250 to 300 euros for 27 inch thats ok. 24 inch 4K what I really wants but it doesn’t exist anymore now.
I don’t have any scaling options on my Asus monitor running Ventura. It’s annoying, so when I have to work on certain things, i just switch from 1440p to 1080p.
Hi. I just wanted to ask does the colors of your macbook screen match your monitor? From what I've seen in most cases, the screen and monitor colors differ unless the monitor has some kind of a mac mode or something like that.
Im really confused i want to buy a wide monitor but i’ll be using it with a mac studio , but i want it to look good if i spend that kinda money , I’ve never had issues with 1080p monitors so i might be ok , as I’m no gear snob , i just want something that works ..
Hello, thanks for the information. I bought the same monitor and I have a question, what color profile do you use for the monitor? (options from display settings) Are you using the default PA278CV or the Generic RGB Profile? Also which of the monitor's presets are you using? Thanks!
Hi. So I had problems with my DELL 4K monitor (flickering sometimes, ghosting other times) and I purchased the Asus you recommend. It works perfect, just the USB-C stopped working after a week or so. ASUS doesnt provide support for MAC, they couldnt help me. With HDMI it works, but I would prefer the USB-C for my setup... - any advice? ideas?
In FCPX (I don't know about other NLEs), its very confusing. With my 4k monitor in 4k, it shows the video at real resolution vs screen resolution : 1/4 of the screen for a 1080p video when selecting 100% size in the viewer. And when I scale, always keeping the viewer at 100%, everything is bigger...except the viewer video. Which is now about 1/6 of the screen. It is 960x540, when I try to screenshot it. I'm not saying the math isn't logical in the scaling process, but for a working point of view, its a deal breaker.
Thank you Scaling and Display Resoulution are two different things in Windows. However you need to choose them both in the same setting in Macos and you either downgrade the resoulution or usability with smaller icons. Meh
that is my thing. I use today a Ryzen 9 3900x windows 10 ...and I just bought a 4k Proart 27'' ....But I pretend to buy a M2 16gb macmini. I most use Indesign and Photoshop / lightroom. Do you think its better to return?
I am still supper confused. As people are saying that a native 27inch 2k monitor configured on 1440p res looks better then the 27inch 4k set on the same res o.0 ???
I've been working from home and finally decided to upgrade my work space with a new monitor and ended up going down this crazy long rabbit hole of why external displays don't work so well with Mac. Thanks for all the helpful videos on this topic. All of this really makes me hate Apple with a passion, but I really depend on their MacBooks as a software dev.
@@evelynrodriguezc I recommend going with any decent IPS display that does 110 ppi. Many ultrawide monitors that does 3440x1440 @ 34 inches will fall into that range. I've been able to use native HiDpi resolution with this.
I'm looking for a monitor more for music production basically only using Logic Pro just want a bigger screen to edit on I have a MacBook Pro M3 pro chip
Music production doesn’t take up much GPU usage so you can use pretty much anything! I’ve noticed with music production I actually find myself wanting a slightly higher resolution than 1440p, I’d run a 4k if you can!
Hi, can anyone help.. does 24inches 2k monitor works well for mac? with mac m2 air. I am currently using 21.5 1080p monitor and text clarity isnt that great.
Hi sir. Did you buy the 24 inch 1440p monitor? If so, how has your experience been? I'm interested in one like this, however, I'm still uncomfortable because I think the size of the letters could become so small that I need to adjust the scale. I already use two 24" 1080p monitors and the third would be this 24-inch 1440p monitor. We don't have many opinions on this.
‘Waffle’ is an English expression for ‘Gibbering’ or going on to much, or better still talking rubbish 😂 😂 Hope that helps we English can be a little quirky.
My m2 MBP has an issue when connecting it to external monitors, the screen starts flickering or refreshing in a weird way, would you know why this happens? Also on a 27 inch 4K BenQ monitor, connected via an usb c to display port cable
I was hoping for a follow up on this matter. I'm sorry people were idiots about it. Sometimes people cant handle different opinions. PS: I also ended up getting a Dell U2721D 1440p.
So do we get the 4k and scale down or just buy the 1440 , the 1440 is 150$ less more then happy to buy that one , I’ll be using it to video edit with my M1 Max
Watch the first video I posted about this for a deeper explanation! But scaling down the 4k is what’s causing an issue. So I would get the native 1440p if performance is your top priority
@@itshunterking I purchased a used apple studio display instead , all the scaling down talk gave me a headache , I love my display , it mirrors my M1 Max , it’s big and beautiful screen , I got a pretty good deal , they are 2300$ new in canada and I got a 4 month old one for 1400$
I just saw your video and 4k on the C3, for me the font is still too small, and I only get HdR settings in 1080p which is something I don't understand still.. I have been using a pc for the c3 now since I got it a week after Black Friday. MAC gatekeepers so much shit its annoying a f. I am running a m2 max , MacBook Pro with 96 gb of ram so I doubt I will have the issue you had, but the scaling is still . DUMB.
Glad I picked up a Samsung m7 43" 4k when I bought my Mac mini last year. no scaling perfect size text. Too bad there's no M8 43" only 32" going to pick up a Mac Studio soon might just buy another Samsung m7 to go with it while they still have them in stock.
Do you like the M7 monitor? I am looking for a good monitor to use with my macbook pro. What problem do you see in yours? how's your experience of watching movies in that monitor.?
@@geo5162 i bought one and using for a month. i absolutely love it. using it as a second monitor with my macbook pro. love the fact that when i don't want to turn on my laptop i can still use it as a tv.
Hoping to get a response, I have a 31.5" diagonal 4K monitor with a resolution of 3008x1692, using the calculator it gives me 109.56ppi which would be about perfect correct? The size of the menus all look good but the text is still a little blurry. Also, I noticed in Lightroom classic that the fan runs a little erratically on my M2 Mac Mini 24gb/1TB. Also for some reason every once in a while in Lightroom classic I have screen flickering.
Your explanation in the previous video was spot on, I learned a lot from it and you've saved me from making a bad purchase.
I really liked how you handled the comments by stating your opinion and usabiliy...and not imposing your view on others...really nice
Yes, great response!
that video about the 1440p monitor had no "waffle" at all! it was that video that brought me here. you did great bro. dont feed the trolls!
I think most ppl did not get the point of the previous video. He is a heavy video editor, he only cares about color and performance. It really depends on your situation. If you want to get super sharp text and don't care about performance, just get the highest resolution possible. If you care about performance more than sharp text, follow the 110/220 dpi rule. If you want everything, spend more money, 5k 27" or Apple's original monitor.
I thought his breakdown was great. I don’t do that kind of work but it still gave me the info I needed to be informed.
Honestly, I thought your first video about this topic was rather clear, makes good sense. Message is unless you can accommodate a monitor with minimal size of 32” in 16:9, don’t bother getting 4K. I am using dual monitors - one is the Dell P2715Q 27 inch 4K and a Dell U2415 24 inch 2K and am experiencing the same problem with the 4K monitor and wondered why I even bothered spending the money on it. My desk size can only have two monitors no larger than 27’. Really appreciate your vid and now making this follow up response to the naysayers. Thank you
How do you scale the 2k 24 inch monitor and does it work good? I am thinking of getting 24-25 inch at 1440p and then scale it a bit if needed.
@@walkmanbg I would like to know too. By the way, did you purchase your 24-25 inch 1440p monitor? Did you need to scale? What is your assessment of working with two monitors with different resolutions?
@@n2o2co2h2o I got 2x27 4k and scale it to 2308 x something. Using Better Display software, it looks great!
1440p scaling on 27 is too small for me, 1080p too large even though it is the default one and looks great!
After Pt. 1: Im definitely going to buy 27 2k.
After Pt. 2 05:57 : Meh, here we go again
Lol, yup. What monitor did you end up going with?
@@jasras5003 with 27 4k LG 27UP850-W. I use scaling to 2k, everything looks great
I agree with everything you’ve said in this video apart from the response to the question about 120hz vs 60hz. I used to be someone that thought “eh, who needs more than 60”, but now - it’s SO hard to go back once you use that high refresh rate. It’s just amazing and hard to put into words how fast everything feels. I literally feel more productive because of it. So I’d recommend to people to go for a gaming monitor that can be calibrated well for creative work - those do exist. Out of the box the colors might be whack but once you calibrate those, and get it looking identical to your macbook - it’s life changing. And I am also using a 13” m1 macbook pro 2020 version. It’s lovely using it on a high refresh monitor with good colors. I was thinking about upgrading to the 16” macbook pro to have more screen real estate, but this monitor has changed everything for me.
so which monitor did you get?
@@lcsmn0217 I got the Dell S2721DGF. Its black levels aren’t great, but I was able to calibrate it to look virtually identical to my MacBook Pro display, so I feel very comfortable that my colors are great while editing photos and videos, and that 165hz refresh rate is just *chef’s kiss*
@@ksc6000 On Apple page they state that MacBook Pro M1 2020 can connect up to two monitors with 60Hz, 6k. So how can you utilise 165Hz when your laptop doesn't support that? I've the same model and am researching for 27”monitor.
@@justalostlocal If you use 2 monitors, I don’t think they can be set to high refresh. I only use one monitor.
@@ksc6000 yeah, makes sense thanks.
Your explanation in the other video was perfect, maybe some people are too lazy to pay attention. I've looked for this answer for a long time. I have a 2019 MacBook pro with the intel i9. For years I've been wanting to upgrade my 27 inch Thunderbolt display which is 1440p, to a 4K monitor. The Thunderbolt display is a a great monitor but by now it is ancient. Back in march, I finally got a 27 inch LG 4k monitor. BUT, after first time hooking it up, the performance was so underwhelming that I literally disconnected the monitor, placed it back in the box, and never used it. I do photo and video editing. I was hoping that maybe later getting an m1 chip MacBook could solve the issue.
How much RAM does your Mac have?
Mac has a tendency to set 4K displays to scale with LoDPI (non-retina). This makes the image quality slightly blurry and makes the text especially not crisp. The app betterdisplay forces HiDPI (retina) mode which tremendously improves the crispness of the images and especially makes the text sharp similar to native macbook and ipad dispalys. I highly recommend it as it will solve most mac image quality issues.
3rd party app *BetterDisplay* HighDPI modes that supports ALL displays is the correct answer here. Also look for 3:2 aspect ratio 4k 10-bit color display with high pixel density or even 28” 2k display low pixel density to suit your needs. For video editing and 3D work *so* much nonsense. All video editing and 3D software “scales” via virtual displays and frame buffers. These workloads demand massive amounts of I/O, GPU and CPU to perform well with 4kUHD or 1080pHD video files and output. That’s why PC laptops have RTX or 10+ GPU cores (Pro, Max) to handle these tasks. Windows “300%” scaling on 15” >200ppi and smaller displays on Surface, 4k, 5k displays is not fun to configure and no picnic for my myopic (-6sphere) eyes.
@@juanminton1603 I agree, you made some good points 😊
Agreed. That is the app that saved my day... Fiddeling with the DPI made the image "workable" for text. Even text is horrible without that program. And I saw that this "featre" was build into MacOS but was taken out! That is soooooo crappy move my Apple. That comment alone made me anry and almost selling my m3 and go virtual on MacOS. It's fustrating that Windows and Mac world is not more aligned here.
I think people are missing the main point here, which is the PHYSICAL PIXELS of the monitor. This problem is not about PPI, but about scaling physical pixels. A 4K monitor has 3840 x 2160 pixels, which are micro points of light. When you reduce the resolution to 1080p (1920x1080), you basically use 2 physical pixels from your monitor to represent 1px of the image. The quality gets much better, and that's called RETINA.
Now if you scale a 4K monitor to 1440p (2550x1440), you are telling your monitor to use 1.5 physical pixels from it to represent 1px of the image. But there's no such thing as 1.5 physical pixels! Each pixel is one point of light. You can use 2, 3, or more, but you can't use half or any decimal. That's why 5K is the retina display for 1440p resolution.
I'm just wondering how Windows handles this...
So Retina is basically just integer scaling, or is it a bit more complicated?
You shouldn’t apologize you were exactly right 4K is totally useless on a Mac Book Air. Proper scaling is everything. On 4/10/24 I bought a 27 inch ASUS PA278CV For $249 on Amazon plugged it into my MacBook Air M1 worked perfectly right out of the box. It came with a USB-C connection and cable, so it charges my MacBook with 65 W of power. The 1440 scaling is perfect and the colors are great. It came with a three-year warranty and a guarantee of pixels who could ask for more only $249?💻🖥️🤪
I tried the Dell 27 inch 4K $299 monitor put it back in the box after two hours of use. As you had stated, the scaling had the Goldilocks syndrome,never seemed quite right too small or too big plus the colors were washed out compared to the ASUS. Also, the Dell only had a one-year warranty makes you wonder if they know some thing we don’t. You only get the three-year warranty if you bump up to the more costly $400 and up monitors.👺🖥️
I liked your previous video and agree 100%. Had exactly the same issue on my mac and I thought I was crazy. Rude people should just stop complaining and go out and buy the 4K monitor. It's their money, so they can waste it if they want to. It helped me and I am sure there are others like me. Thanks!
New sub! I think you did a masterful job explaining something that I could never understand. I’m not there yet fully, but sure learned a lot from you. Thank you for taking the time to make this video! Not enough pancake though.
I understood and related to your first video as helping me understand my dilemma with a 4K 27" Dell monitor and my Mac Mini. Thanks for addressing the questions!
Honestly, I never thought about this at all when considering a monitor. I just picked up one of the new Mac Mini M2 Pro and now looking to pair a decent monitor and was just thinking 4k all the way. Even though I'm pretty sure this new machine will handle the upscaling and then downscaling just fine, I just don't like the fact that it would have to do that at all and use unnecessary burden on the system, however unnoticeable it may be. So I understood your original video to mean that 4K isn't always as cut and dry as it seems, which to someone like me (not an expert tech person) it at least gave me some pause to consider screen size as well as resolution. For a system as optimized as apple's new hardware, I don't like the idea of things not being as optimized as possible (as in, performing extra tasks all the time because I chose a less that optimal configuration). So thanks for the original video and this one.
I’m in the same situation. Just about to buy a Mac Mini M2. Which monitor did you go with for your M2 Pro?
@@supersonic79 ha, wish I could help. still haven’t bought one! Budget changed and waiting until I can get something worth it
@@jarbird83 Whoa, we have a similar username. I thought it was mine at first lol. A year later, did you finally buy your monitor? If so, which one?
Which operating system you use is a personal choice. Cannot really switch between and Mac OS just because of scaling issues just like most of us aren’t switching between Android and iOS every fewm months, so I don’t understand those comments at all. Just seems like a way to take a dig at Apple products. Now I’ll watch the rest of the video…
I switched to apple because of the stability issues of windows also when it comes better portability, better looking UI, no blue screen green screen circus from updates apple is way better for photo and video editing ... People taking a dig at apple products makes no sense in my opinion... Windows UI and everything looks very cheap in my opinion
I bought a 2560x1440 32 inch gaming monitor over a 4K 32 inch after watching your video explaining why you returned your 4K monitor. By god the text is horrible but everything else is just fine. Now I have to switch to 4K.
Bro thank you for the info. I'm glad that you made this second video. Haters will hate with or without us 😜
Given that Apple appears to target 110 dpi for system menus and windows, anything that departs too far from that results in text that are too big or too small. What I noticed is that focusing on the vertical lines of physical pixels per screen size helps to simplify things. Potential problems can happen with 4k screens which has 2160 vertical lines. On a 27 in monitor this is around 160 dpi and on 32 in monitor, this is 140 dpi. Since they are both not anywhere near 110 dpi, scaling is needed. What is clear is that under demanding scenarios which most of us probably would not notice, performance can be compromised.
How does Apple do it? On a 32 in XDR with 3384 vertical lines, Apple uses 2 lines for each display line so that it acts like a monitor with 1692 lines resulting in 108 dpi. And the 27 in Studio with 2880 vertical lines scaled to 1440 lines results in 109 dpi. Since Apple’s monitors are using 2 physical lines for each display line, you do get sharper text and dividing by 2 is a simple operation, the performance burden is minimized.
What this says is that if we use a 4k monitor which has 2160 vertical lines, if it is a 32 in monitor, we need to scale it to 1692 vertical lines like the XDR. But there is no way to get to 1692 from 2160 that is evenly divisible. So there will be “shimmering” during scrolling and this operation is probably computationally more taxing than just dividing by 2. However, 2160 times 3/4 is 1620 lines and 103 dpi which should avoid “fractional” scaling and probably computationally less taxing. The text would be a bit larger than ideal but this could improve performance and visual quality. But without 3rd party software this option is not offered out of the box.
For 27” monitors, this problem is potentially less problematic by using 2/3 scaling which is 2160 scaled down to 1440 for 109 dpi. Since this scaling is evenly divisible, 3 physical lines per 2 display lines, we should experience less visual distortions and hopefully less performance issues. But if one’s use is very demanding then I suppose even doing the 2/3 scaling can be a problem.
I have a 4k 32” monitor like many MacBook users and I chose the 1692 line scaling option. While I have not experienced performance issues because I am not doing anything graphically intensive, I do see that it isn’t as sharp as my MacBook’s screen. But at the normal viewing distance it is “good enough” for me. But since everyone’s visual acuity is different and everyone’s requirements are unique, there is no way for anyone to say if getting a 4k 32” monitor is always good or bad.
In fact, I know that some people with good eyes are perfectly comfortable with 140 dpi that result in tiny text, and use their 4k monitor at its native 2160 lines setting. I suppose if you have the cash, some would say just buy the XDR!
Just so you know: Windows have lots of problems with scaling too.
Correct…the same people turning a blind eye or are just absolutely ignorant bash this guy for sticking with Apple 😂.
There is no reason for ppl to have given negative comments in your previous video leading to this one. The market has always been full of hardware that supports Windows computers because unlike Apple, Windows has many manufacturers for monitors and desktops. Whenever Apple has made their own computers, like the iMac, the technology necessary to run macOS was built right into those monitors. Apple doesn’t license macOS to 3rd party manufacturers like Windows does. Apple is the sole creator of both their OS and the hardware which is very different to how Microsoft runs as a business. So to ppl who commented saying things like “you should have switched the computer from Mac to Windows, not the monitor” and “Windows doesn’t have this problem,” those ppl don’t understand what I just explained above, which is that the only company capable of making monitors to run Apple’s superior displays is Apple. Sure there are now only about 3 or 4 other companies who have made 5K monitors geared towards Mac computers, but that is a tiny fraction of a computer market that was once dominated by windows. Most external monitors on the market are designed to work within Windows computers. As someone who has a 16” M1 MacBook Pro, with its amazing xdr display, and who is now looking into getting a monitor, I feel like us Mac users have to be educated first which is why I have found a lot of value from your previous video. Mac computers are just so good they Windows monitors aren’t good enough to run them. Thankfully we do have a few 5K 27” monitor options out there and right now I’m looking at the Samsung viewfinity S9 5K monitor bc it’s on sale for half the price of the Apple studio display.
6:12 Purpose was suitable for his modeling, but at 1440 hz on 27inch monitor, he used scaling up to make UI menu text more legible.
Awesome follow up to the original video on this topic. Your video editing is also getting better as demonstrated from the original video into this follow up video. Keep up the good work.
Windows PCs have this exact problem. Only that they passes the problem to the user.
Most users are scaling without noticing or have a tiny user interface and don't look it as a problem.
Just ordered a 27" 4K display and happened to watch your previous video. I have a 13-inc M1 MacBook Pro too. Definitely have to scale it to 1440 or a bit lower. Your video really helps. Thank you.
I'm late to this discussion but I've been using a wall mounted (over my desk and using the HDMI 4:4:4 pass through) 42" 4k LG C3 as a monitor for a while and it's amazing. It scales to the "good zone" at about 105ppi. I have to lean in to less than 10 inches away before I can MAYBE see a pixel.
The color and gamut is amazing as well. The HDR and brightness is among the best, easily.
I currently dual use with my pallette on a 27" and workspace on the 42". I'm going to dual 42" it soon. You can get 42" C3s on sale for under $900 just about anywhere.
I found your first video very helpful and clear and I live in Germany…so my english skills are not the best 😅.
Mac-hater are everywhere and you shouldn’t answer to this. I understand your point and thank you so much 🙏🏻.
I thought the first video was great. You explained the issue in incredible depth at a fast pace, so in order to benefit from the research you did (God bless you, you saved me from pulling my hair out trying to run that whole thing down) the listener had to pay attention, but also not get caught up in the details which were just part of the overall explanation. I'm not the sharpest knife in the ... the ... drawer (see!) and I understood it completely. The thing I came away with most, is that you really take the time to know your shit and can explain it in a relatable understandable manner. Peace
I just got a 1440 27inch display. Looks great. Works great. On a 14 inch MBP M1 max. I saved a good bit of money over the Studio Display, but still sort of wish I sprang for it. This is an Eizo Color Edge with Adobe RGB and hardware calibration, so better in some ways than the Apple Display, but it is not nearly as nice to look at as the MBP screen or my old 5k iMac. Beautiful calibration and print matching however, which are more important to me overall.
You saved me days of frustration (and $) and I am so grateful. Thanks for the Q&A as well... This is about learning the secret sauce of tech....
Actually your original video on the subject helped clarify and emphasize something very important regarding the subject at hand, namely that there is a performance hit when using 4K monitors on a macbook when the scaling comes into play. AND when you are pushing the system to its limits This was critical in understanding the larger topic of not having the 6K studio monitor for Mac.
All it is, is that you like 2560x1440 rendered natively on a 27" screen and expect things to be rendered at that size, while your Mac can actually cope with running Blender like that. Which makes sense because for years Apple shipped 27” displays and iMacs with exactly that size and resolution combination, and then they doubled it to 5K. What you actually needed if you wanted to go 4K was a 5K 27" monitor and to run at 200% scaling so you get the crisp image of 5K and the 1440p 27” UI sizing you expect. What you don't like is 1920x1080 UI scaling at 27" because things are bigger than you expect, and you don't like native 4K scaling at 27" because things are smaller than you expect. Apple "choose weird resolutions like 5K" because it allows you to display a full resolution 4K image with UI controls around the video.
My friend, you did a great great GREAT job explaining in the previous video, so do not mind about many of those comments. Bests regards forma Venezuelan viewer!
I fund the video to address my blury text with mac very good. I've never understod the reason for it. Yes. Windows just works! That pains me. I'm a heavy user of both systems all the time and the Windows is SUPER crisp. Mac is not. While the mac is double the $$$. I found some cheap software that corrects the issue on 4k. At least it's doing a VERY good job. Now it's fine with the mac. I had to fiddle with the settings but now it's fine. I hate that we cant have more options in the 5k space. I have searched the internet - even went to china searhing - by a brand that does 5k but the reviews where VERY bad of the compagny. So that is a no go. The only 5k is the S9 at the moment. And that also lacks some features and apperanly the monitor is buggy. Hard to color calibrate and even "forgets" it's calibration when unplugging. So your video made me seriously think 1440p as I just care about the sharpness. Not the smoothness. Im on a small laptop with 1080p windows and I like the way text is showing up. Yes I can see pixels. So what. And 1440 is half the price of 4k. There are a lot of 1440 options. And I still might even go there. Assuming that $$$ is not an option and Apple Displays are NEVER an option. Just for the lack of integration of devices other than mac. We are some that uses both mac and windows 50/50 of the time.
So thanks for the video! You made my day more clear with the scaling. And I have looked at 1920x1080 sceens for MANY years. I dont care. It's sharp. But if the content is fuzzy I get fustrated. Now I know why on a mac.
M1 only support 60Hz anyway, I think you need to go up to M2/M3 to get support for 120Hz output from the ports
I was hoping you'd talk about people's response videos to your last vid. I saw a few people who ran tests with a 27inch 4k monitor scaled at different resolutions and found no performance issues at all.
Well, I loved your video about scaling, I found it very helpful!
Just a little info on displays in general: the percentile coverage of a color space does not make it xy% accurate, it just means, the display can cover the extreme colors xy%. The spec you showed at 7:05 is a lot more informative though, as it mentions a color accuracy of DeltaE
Thanks so much for this additional video.
You bet!
Don’t listen to anyone claiming to use native 4k resolution on a 27” and find it comfortable. If they do, then they don’t use it to anything besides firing up a game or to binge netflix. You can manage to get into that even with small text and buttons. But then you’re pretty much using your monitor as a television/gaming monitor. You’re not doing any productivity on it.
Learned a lot from the last video!
A 2k monitor in 27 inch is similar to a LED Cinema Display 27" monitor (10 year ago) made by Apple. It is a non-retina display but it is clear for a sharp font. That's why 2k at 27 inch is a decent resolution in this case.
Many photographers who edit photos to print (as opposed to sharing on social media) prefer to use a 2K monitor such as the BenQ 270c. A 2K monitor is an excellent option. I love mine.
i realise I am late to this follow up. I enjoyed your first but blimey, the FCP comment, you really do just wnt to start a fight!!! Nice job
Well explained, now it all makes sense to me. In all fairness, though, and as much as I cannot stand windows: the mac os scaling/resolution settings always felt inferior, but apparently they do so for a reason.
Yea, I tried a 43" 4K. Native was still too small for the interface elements. I mean, it was OK, but still rough. I did not want the 1920x1080 native scale. Everything was too huge. Scaling was wonky. The intermediate scales were fuzzy and I did pick up some lag/flicker. I went back to some old 2007 Apple Cinema Display 30" and my eyes were so much happier. So, I am sticking with 2560x1600 displays until 6k displays are more common. I am not gaming...so I need height as well as width.
10:53 if "double 1440p" is the sweets spot for Mac, would you say the Lg Ergo Dual Up monitor can work? It's a monitor with 2560 x 2880 (like two 1440p monitores stacked up), a roughly square resulution that delivers good real state for a vertical timeline for video editores. Thank you for the content!
If I’m honest, I initially disliked the video. I figured that if RUclips rated shorter videos better, it could have been a 5 minute video instead of 15. But, I watched it again later and with more patience, and appreciated the detail you went into. The Bjango article was a cool find.
I use 24" 1920x1080p as an external monitor for my MacBook Air M1 and it doesn't look blurry at all. And I edit videos every days on it since 2021 and never experienced any performance issues neither. I wanted to buy a 4k monitor tho but now I'm not sure If it's a good idea 😅
Thank you
Thanks for the followup video. Question: If I don't mind small texts/icons. Running at native resolution (no scaling), which one do you recommend? 1440p or 4k, on 27inch. Mostly used for photo editing.
I'm really late to the party but I wanted to let you know that your video was crystal clear, and I ended up buying the same ASUS ProArt 27 that you did. It's excellent, especially for the price point, and it perfectly meets my needs. So much so that I've ordered another for my wife to use with her Windows desktop (at her request after she saw mine).
What size of scale you use on windows, i mean text scale,100% as "recomended" or more? i use it on 125%. with recomended size(100%) text and UI is too tiny:(
@@RezoUI I use it on the default 100% on my Mac Studio Max but my wife prefers 125% on her Windows 10 desktop. I think it scales very nicely at either setting.
@@bryans8656 Thanks. I also use it on 125% scale but i noticed due to this some artefacts when i using Figma as Ui designer. It shows some defects when i present web page. it has some white lines on edges and some defects.
@@RezoUI My wife hasn't mentioned an problem with artifacts but she doesn't use Figma so maybe there's a connection there.
@@bryans8656 Yeah, as UI Designer i have noticed some defects due to scale. That's why i returned it and will buy FHD 27 inch. It doesn't need scaling and works well with default 100% scale. I had same problem with 4k monitor. They all need to scale and there is another pain working on Windows.
I understood it and I ended up getting the same monitor and it works great! Thanks!
How does the text look? What do you use your computer for?
I had the gigabyte fO48U and it was really nice, but 4k resolution but I always found myself resizing everything back larger
im currently looking for a monitor to use in blender as well and your videos provided a ton of answers. one question i still have is, did you try and change the scaling preferences within blender on the 4k monitor? im thinking that would give a win/win of 4k resolution as well as solving the small icon issue within blender
Thanks you for both these videos; timing couldn't be better. Looked at the 1440p monitor to go with my M2 Mac mini but unlike many others it doesn't have 10bit. Is that a problem for you. Looking to use with 10bit drone footage. Best to you, great job.
Hey just found out this second part video. What waffles? Lol you explained it perfectly in the first video.
Thanks a lot for these technicals infos. I'm about to buy a MB pro M2. What I've understood from your advices is the LG UltraFine™ 27MD5KLP-B would be a good option with the Mac since it is in the retina zone. I edit a lot of 4k, 6k videos and use After effects also all the time.
FWIIW I watched your first video several times, and to me there is no detectable waffle going on. Whomever deployed that comment is obviously a practiced waffle-baitor. Someone who attempts to provoke waffle so they can then slam you for waffling. You handled the attack perfectly though by not waffling in your response. I got a lot from 1440p video #1 and the same for this video. Thanks!
@Hunter King What I'd like to understand is what is the difference between "Resolution" and "UI Looks Like" in macOS System Information? It's still so so so confusing. I have a 32" UHD 3840X2160 monitor. When I select 2560x1440, macOS says "Resolution: 5120x2880, UI Looks like 2560x1440" .... why is macOS reporting the incorrect resolution of my 4K UHD monitor? It's very confusing.
It upscales to the native Mac resolution of 5k hence 5120x2880 and then halve it to hit your desired UI of 2560x1440. Your monitor's resolution is still 4k i.e. 3840x2160 but your UI's resolution is at 2560x1440 hence why your UI looks larger than keeping it at the default 3840x2160 resolution.
@@implisyt Thank you, but what do you mean when you write "native Mac resolution of 5k"? In Windows it shows me the correct resolution. What happens when I hook up a regular 1080p monitor?
I guess I’m trying to understand why macOS has to upscale to a resolution that my monitor doesn’t even support. I’m very confused why the developers of this operating system did something like this. It seems very counterproductive and counterintuitive.
@@asafblasbergvideographer Unsure about Windows however for Macs as per the video, the native resolution is 5k hence why the Apple Studio and the previously sold 27" iMac are all at 5k resolution. So if your resolution is not 5k it will upscale it to 5k first and then downscale it to your selected resolution. Which explains what you are seeing as stated in your first post.
@@implisyt OK thanks. So I guess I have to buy 5K screens.
Thank you. I bought a 1440p monitor after watching your first video. If one doesn't want to spend money on high price products, one must compromise on one thing or another. Like you, I chose to save money rather than going for a 5k. Many thanks.
Is the text blurry?
@@ensarguler7684 No, not blurry at all. I don't do art works. On the contrary, I prioritize the screen response and comfort to eyes.
@@YTTerm Thanks, I do not do the art works either, and was wondering if the text is clear enough for daily use such as browsing, office stuff etc. :D Which model did you choose?
@@ensarguler7684 Mine is PA278CV. It's good for arts, except that you can see pixels when you are REALLY close to the screen.
I agree and have a m1 MacBook connected to a 5k Apple studio 27inch Display and it scales it down to 2560 X1440 resolution. Most people wouldn’t even know this unless they select the advance setting to “show resolution as list” than the ugly truth 😂 shows itself. Returning it for a 1440p since that’s the most optimal setting for the M1 MB Air.
Maybe
Why don´t you use a app that scales the UI for the res you want? Like the SwitchResX ?
5:58 So does 110 PPI always cause blurry text? I had the 34" AOPEN 34HC5CUR monitor which was 110 PPI, but I returned it becase it either made the text blurry, or everything super small. I tried that Better Display software but could never find a sweet spot. Currently, I use two 24" HP W243i monitors with about 94 PPI and I am very satisfied with them. No blurry text and it doesn't seem to do any scaling that uses RAM (correct me if I'm wrong). It's probably not as sharp of a resolution as others but it's a sweet spot for me. But I want the 40"+ equivalent of these monitors to have one nice big monitor on my desk. Can anybody who has a 110 PPI monitor with mac comment their experience with text and performance?
Thanks, I found your video early or I could face the same issue.
not watching his videos because of the advice, but because of the eyes colour and long hair haha
Is this scaling thing a Mac OS thing /linux thing? Or is it Apple wanting to sell more retina displays?
Thanks for the videos! Something I just thought of now. In this video when you say 5k will be better than 4k.
In terms of scaling, that only applies if you're using it scaled down to the 1440p right? If you use the 5k natively, then everything will be even smaller than it was on the 4k native right?
No, the last comment was correct. You can use a 4k monitor in 1440. The Laptop pumps out a 1440 signal and the monitor takes care of the rest. But, the actual response is, “Then why have a 4k monitor?” But one of the unfortunately missed best responses to his original video, was that this appears that it could entirely be the result of limited vram, that is shared with the system. As others have tested this, and found no slowdown with higher amounts of system memory. The primary issue is likely just a weak computer, for the tasks being performed at higher resolutions. If you’re using a MacBook Pro with 32gb ram, it is highly unlikely, you need to worry about any if this… Unless you have several memory intensive apps open at once, trying to chug away at a task, at the same time.
"The Laptop pumps out a 1440 signal and the monitor takes care of the rest." - No. Or at least in the case of MacOS and the monitor in use, that is not how it works. MacOS scaling is simply a _user interface_ mapping for a zoom level ("1440" is 150% zoom when the base value is 2160). That the Mac has to do this zooming in real time is why he ran into problems trying to run Blender (a processor hog) on a base level M1 MacBook.
Thanks. Can I confirm something: can macs always just put one pixel to one pixel (retina off)? Like as long as you don’t want retina, the only remaining consideration is dpi? And if you do want retina, then halve the dimensions and continue as you were?
Of course, you can turn retina off easily on screen settings and choose a different resolution
Would you recommend a 24" 1440p monitor (dual setup), or does the 110 ppi not scale to the "good zone" for 24"? Not seeing that option referenced in the Bjango article. Debating going up to a 27" 1440p, but wanted to see if I could get a crisper image by scaling dow, but dont want to negatively affect the native ppi.
I have the same question.
@@vladibarraza I guess we’ll never know
Hey there! Technically the 24” will be better at a 1080p resolution, I would personally go for a 27” 1440p if you can afford it! You get a lot more for your money and when I put mine beside my 24” 1080p screen, it’s actually hilarious how much different they are
@@itshunterking I'm trying both a 24" and 27" out now at 1440p to see which one I should go with for a dual setup - using the Asus ProArt display from your last video for the 27". Are there Mac display settings I should switch on for a Mac color profile and to make sure it is running as smoothly as possible? Whenever I turn on the "High Dynamic Range" with 75 Hz, the screen gets way dimmer even on highest brightness.
@@colewilger9624 How has your experience been with the 24-inch monitor at 1440p? For those who need to work reading graphics, texts and browsing the internet, do you think it will be necessary to adjust the scale as the size of the letters may become too small?
I code and see lots of text so I think 4K would be a better choice for the budget. We get 4K for 250 to 300 euros for 27 inch thats ok. 24 inch 4K what I really wants but it doesn’t exist anymore now.
I don’t have any scaling options on my Asus monitor running Ventura. It’s annoying, so when I have to work on certain things, i just switch from 1440p to 1080p.
Hi. I just wanted to ask does the colors of your macbook screen match your monitor? From what I've seen in most cases, the screen and monitor colors differ unless the monitor has some kind of a mac mode or something like that.
Im really confused i want to buy a wide monitor but i’ll be using it with a mac studio , but i want it to look good if i spend that kinda money , I’ve never had issues with 1080p monitors so i might be ok , as I’m no gear snob , i just want something that works ..
Hello, thanks for the information.
I bought the same monitor and I have a question, what color profile do you use for the monitor? (options from display settings)
Are you using the default PA278CV or the Generic RGB Profile?
Also which of the monitor's presets are you using?
Thanks!
The problem is... tadam... ASUS (with MacOS), you have to flash the firmware to work well with Mac OS
does that mean a 34 inch 4k monitor work as good as the 27 inch 1440p one?
Hi. So I had problems with my DELL 4K monitor (flickering sometimes, ghosting other times) and I purchased the Asus you recommend.
It works perfect, just the USB-C stopped working after a week or so. ASUS doesnt provide support for MAC, they couldnt help me. With
HDMI it works, but I would prefer the USB-C for my setup... - any advice? ideas?
My advice, return the monitor and get one that works. You shouldn’t keep a broken monitor if there is warranty support to utilize.
I’m sitting here with my new Apple Mac Studio and trying to sell my old all in one Mac , can I just use the old Mac that is 5k with studio?
In FCPX (I don't know about other NLEs), its very confusing. With my 4k monitor in 4k, it shows the video at real resolution vs screen resolution : 1/4 of the screen for a 1080p video when selecting 100% size in the viewer. And when I scale, always keeping the viewer at 100%, everything is bigger...except the viewer video. Which is now about 1/6 of the screen. It is 960x540, when I try to screenshot it.
I'm not saying the math isn't logical in the scaling process, but for a working point of view, its a deal breaker.
Thank you
Scaling and Display Resoulution are two different things in Windows.
However you need to choose them both in the same setting in Macos and you either downgrade the resoulution or usability with smaller icons. Meh
It’s tech tech tech and then personal preferences, and pocketboook.
Do you have any pictures of what the ui looks like on your monitor with your settings?
that is my thing. I use today a Ryzen 9 3900x windows 10 ...and I just bought a 4k Proart 27'' ....But I pretend to buy a M2 16gb macmini.
I most use Indesign and Photoshop / lightroom. Do you think its better to return?
I am still supper confused. As people are saying that a native 27inch 2k monitor configured on 1440p res looks better then the 27inch 4k set on the same res o.0 ???
I've been working from home and finally decided to upgrade my work space with a new monitor and ended up going down this crazy long rabbit hole of why external displays don't work so well with Mac. Thanks for all the helpful videos on this topic. All of this really makes me hate Apple with a passion, but I really depend on their MacBooks as a software dev.
same here /: do u already have some options u can share with me ?
@@evelynrodriguezc I recommend going with any decent IPS display that does 110 ppi. Many ultrawide monitors that does 3440x1440 @ 34 inches will fall into that range. I've been able to use native HiDpi resolution with this.
@@oholdeno thank u!
I'm looking for a monitor more for music production basically only using Logic Pro just want a bigger screen to edit on I have a MacBook Pro M3 pro chip
Music production doesn’t take up much GPU usage so you can use pretty much anything! I’ve noticed with music production I actually find myself wanting a slightly higher resolution than 1440p, I’d run a 4k if you can!
So what 24ish inch monitor would be good for MacBook?
Hi, can anyone help.. does 24inches 2k monitor works well for mac? with mac m2 air. I am currently using 21.5 1080p monitor and text clarity isnt that great.
Hi sir. Did you buy the 24 inch 1440p monitor? If so, how has your experience been? I'm interested in one like this, however, I'm still uncomfortable because I think the size of the letters could become so small that I need to adjust the scale. I already use two 24" 1080p monitors and the third would be this 24-inch 1440p monitor. We don't have many opinions on this.
What about 3440 x 1440 ultra wide monitors?
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My m2 MBP has an issue when connecting it to external monitors, the screen starts flickering or refreshing in a weird way, would you know why this happens? Also on a 27 inch 4K BenQ monitor, connected via an usb c to display port cable
I was hoping for a follow up on this matter. I'm sorry people were idiots about it. Sometimes people cant handle different opinions.
PS: I also ended up getting a Dell U2721D 1440p.
So do we get the 4k and scale down or just buy the 1440 , the 1440 is 150$ less more then happy to buy that one , I’ll be using it to video edit with my M1 Max
Watch the first video I posted about this for a deeper explanation! But scaling down the 4k is what’s causing an issue. So I would get the native 1440p if performance is your top priority
@@itshunterking I purchased a used apple studio display instead , all the scaling down talk gave me a headache , I love my display , it mirrors my M1 Max , it’s big and beautiful screen , I got a pretty good deal , they are 2300$ new in canada and I got a 4 month old one for 1400$
I just saw your video and 4k on the C3, for me the font is still too small, and I only get HdR settings in 1080p which is something I don't understand still.. I have been using a pc for the c3 now since I got it a week after Black Friday. MAC gatekeepers so much shit its annoying a f.
I am running a m2 max , MacBook Pro with 96 gb of ram so I doubt I will have the issue you had, but the scaling is still . DUMB.
Glad I picked up a Samsung m7 43" 4k when I bought my Mac mini last year. no scaling perfect size text. Too bad there's no M8 43" only 32" going to pick up a Mac Studio soon might just buy another Samsung m7 to go with it while they still have them in stock.
Do you like the M7 monitor? I am looking for a good monitor to use with my macbook pro. What problem do you see in yours? how's your experience of watching movies in that monitor.?
@@DurjaySarkar the monitor could be a bit brighter but I’m nitpicking. Movies look great IMO. I bought it for its size and versatility.
Would it work alright with the mac studio the same as a mac mini do you know and what wires
@@geo5162 i bought one and using for a month. i absolutely love it. using it as a second monitor with my macbook pro. love the fact that when i don't want to turn on my laptop i can still use it as a tv.
@@BlizardMedia using with Mac Studio now using Usb C to usb c just make sure the cable will do 4k
Hoping to get a response, I have a 31.5" diagonal 4K monitor with a resolution of 3008x1692, using the calculator it gives me 109.56ppi which would be about perfect correct? The size of the menus all look good but the text is still a little blurry. Also, I noticed in Lightroom classic that the fan runs a little erratically on my M2 Mac Mini 24gb/1TB. Also for some reason every once in a while in Lightroom classic I have screen flickering.
In other words, Adobe software is trash. What’s new?
Could I expect to see performance issues on my m2 max mbp with the LG 40 inch ultra wide?
Is a 24 inch 2k monitor a good choice for the mac mini m1?