macOS 4K Scaling Explained: The TRUTH About Quality And Performance!

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  • Опубликовано: 18 июн 2024
  • In this video, I want to go over a topic that many people have asked me about - scaling on 4K monitors on Mac. While there does seem to be some information out there suggesting this may be a significant hit to performance, some data suggests otherwise. I spent that last week researching and testing things out, and I have my own thoughts on the matter. Watch for more.
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    0:41 What Is Display Scaling?
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    6:14 4K Scaled Performance
    10:00 What Might Be Happening
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  • @Ben77769
    @Ben77769 Год назад +14

    I’ve been researching this topic for the last couple of weeks and found so many different answers. Thank you so much for clearing this messy topic up once and for all, excellent video! 🙏👏👌

    • @inv3st_eth839
      @inv3st_eth839 Год назад

      How it would show on external display if i buy 32 inch 4k display and downgrade it to 1080p ?

    • @TripleIProductions
      @TripleIProductions 10 месяцев назад

      ​@@inv3st_eth839did your figure this out?

  • @josefrogoschewsky6458
    @josefrogoschewsky6458 Год назад +9

    Excellent video - really enjoy your explanation of scaling vs performance and your overall video style, great job.

  • @chrisleedesignstudio
    @chrisleedesignstudio 10 месяцев назад +20

    Thanks Kyle! I appreciate your well-researched content and the high production value of this video. I’m a graphic designer working on a mac mini m1 and am so happy I found your channel. I’m thrilled about buying the 27” 4k monitor and scaling to enlarge the interface so I can actually see the menu. I also appreciate the many helpful viewer comments. Generating great engagement like this portends much success for your channel! Way to go!

  • @csimet
    @csimet Год назад +74

    Nice overview. Being a photographer, I picked my iMac 5K to give me as much room to work at 1::1 density and added a 4K LG to my MacBook for the same reasons. I needed the ability to zoom to 100% 1::1 resolution to edit and apply sharpening correctly. Having said that, I wish Apple would allow independent text scaling (2x, 4x, etc.) along with the display scaling... it can be a pain on those monitors to see menus, fly-outs and panels since they can be very small on those high density displays. It usually means working closer to the monitors than most would typically do so.

    • @eoinkirwan3147
      @eoinkirwan3147 11 месяцев назад +7

      Exactly, just give us text scaling please!!

    • @AaronFigFront
      @AaronFigFront 7 месяцев назад +1

      maybe third party apps like better display can help? it can create dummy display with or with HiDPI at different resolution.

    • @Ed_Mann
      @Ed_Mann 6 месяцев назад

      One thing is for sure, OS functionality that helps their customers isn’t going to come from Apple. The recently announced new Apple credo is “DEAL WITH IT. Suckers”

  • @Vincent_Roy
    @Vincent_Roy Год назад +7

    Thanks for the video. I have been using a Viewsonic VP-2768 4K for a year now on my M1 Mac Mini connected in DP on a thunderbolt hub, and noticed no issues.

  • @pushpdeeppandey
    @pushpdeeppandey Год назад +1

    Thank you! I didn't find this to be an issue either but heard so many youtubers make a hue and cry about it. Frankly if I'm using a larger 4k display, I definitely need the extra space it comes with where I can see more of the panels or place more program windows alongside as the need be. So while I will continue doing what I was doing, at least after seeing this video, I'll be more at peace about the overall performance hit. Thanks for testing this out and sharing your thoughts here!

  • @mafi8000
    @mafi8000 Год назад +125

    I was literally looking for a new monitor for my Macbook right now, and the 4k scaling issue was still a big question mark. And then your video came online, what a fortunate coincidence!

    • @ErikGT
      @ErikGT Год назад +1

      Yeah me too

    • @ValdemarDeMatos
      @ValdemarDeMatos Год назад +10

      Coincidence would be that none of the thousands of viewers of this video were looking for a new monitor 😅

    • @himashakurera
      @himashakurera Год назад

      @@BozBundalo what's about the scaling? is that sharp?

    • @chidorirasenganz
      @chidorirasenganz Год назад +2

      @@himashakurera not unless you’re running it at a 1080p equivalent vs 1440p equivalent for a 5k display

    • @ngamsomset
      @ngamsomset Год назад +2

      @@chidorirasenganz that's correct. I scale mine on 1080p as well.

  • @JeffreyGVny
    @JeffreyGVny Год назад

    This was very helpful. Thanks for the in-depth analysis!

  • @maekloev
    @maekloev Год назад +61

    Very thorough explanation on how scaling works on macOS. Certainly the best I’ve encountered so far. Very well presented - thanks a bunch! 👏

    • @otherother8664
      @otherother8664 Год назад

      It is im looking for a good not great moniter without paying $1599 but the only down side for that is 60 hz for me so much money should have everything i need in it

    • @trungdaivlog
      @trungdaivlog 11 месяцев назад

      With scale factor of 1.5 -> blurry at border of texts. I would rather take a 27" 2K monitor

  • @kokodoug90
    @kokodoug90 Год назад

    This was the perfect video for my question I had. Thanks!

  • @jettlaggg
    @jettlaggg Год назад

    This cleared out a lot of things I had in mind. Thank you so much!

  • @MCName115
    @MCName115 2 месяца назад

    Thank you so much!! I'm upgrading from 2k due to blurry texts to 4k to solve it and now I found out about virtual scaling and as I found out after watching your video there are so many missinformation abou this online. Thanks a lot for this video.

  • @johnaistrup9250
    @johnaistrup9250 Год назад

    Thank you! Just what I needed to watch to understand scaling on my Mac! Cheers! Great video!

  • @cesarbernal9789
    @cesarbernal9789 3 месяца назад

    Thanks Kyle, after a lot of research your video finally clarifies things to me!

  • @zr0dfx
    @zr0dfx Год назад +40

    Great video on a topic I am very interested in since I just bought 2 27" 4k panels for my m1 pro. I have to say I have used the scaling option and everything is working just fine. No slow downs or anything.

    • @Tonellacam
      @Tonellacam Год назад +1

      You scaled down to 1440 from your 4k computers , im about to buy a 4k 27 maybe I should just buy a 1440 asus pro art instead of the 4k , im gonna plug my M1 Max for video editing

    • @ElayneOkaya
      @ElayneOkaya 10 месяцев назад

      @@Tonellacamwhat did you eventually decide on?

    • @georgemalczynski
      @georgemalczynski 9 месяцев назад

      I'm also using a M1 Pro Macbook, I was given a fairly high quality 4k display and it has been fine so far.

    • @Ed_Mann
      @Ed_Mann 6 месяцев назад

      @@Tonellacamthat’s what I’d do.

    • @Ed_Mann
      @Ed_Mann 6 месяцев назад

      @@georgemalczynskiI think success or struggle in that configuration is largely dependent on how GPU intensive your work is. Video you’ll perceive lag, photo editing lag will be there but it may not be noticable to you. Pedestrian tasks, whatever your system yiekds, you’ll think of as normal.

  • @freddymiguelponce
    @freddymiguelponce Год назад

    This is my first time in your channel. WOW! what a great video!
    Thanks for putting all this info in a simple way to understand
    Have a Productive and Healthy Day!

  • @delsurmusic
    @delsurmusic Год назад +1

    Hello Kyle, finally a video that clearly explains this scaling thing. I even went to the Apple store and ask to the specialist and he just did not have a good answer. Thank you very match for your time and efforts!

  • @moderndaybeatlefan
    @moderndaybeatlefan Год назад

    This video helped me out a lot! Thanks for this.

  • @TrutherTalk
    @TrutherTalk Год назад +1

    Thank you for this video. It was pleasantly surprising, and informative.

  • @PKarthikeyaneeb
    @PKarthikeyaneeb Год назад +1

    Thanks for clearing this up for me!!!

  • @BoomerBlogging
    @BoomerBlogging 3 месяца назад

    Just revisited this from a year ago. It is so well explained and illustrated that IMHO it is the "go-to" V;og on the internet for this question/matter/explanation! Thanks again - very well done and as preofessional as it gets!

  • @avicreates
    @avicreates Год назад

    Excellent! subbed! High quality detailed production!

  • @classicaloracle
    @classicaloracle Год назад +2

    I have been looking around for many weeks to find a definitive answer to this after deciding the Apple Display was not for me. You have cleared up a lot of concerns. Thank you! Subscribed.

    • @ZR1Terror
      @ZR1Terror Месяц назад

      So did you get this display?

  • @pricejs87
    @pricejs87 6 месяцев назад +1

    I wish I would have seen this video earlier. I wasted way too much time and mental energy stressing about this issue. Thank you for making this plain and clear!

  • @alex-pattison
    @alex-pattison 4 месяца назад

    Great video! Helps demystify the topic.

  •  9 месяцев назад

    Thanks, Kyle, for the amazing video review about 4K resolution. I was really confused before I watched your video, and now it's much better.

  • @bickybickford
    @bickybickford Год назад

    Thank you for the information, I am looking for a new monitor for my Mac Studio and was worried about 4K monitors but I am no longer worried.

  • @irwin3840
    @irwin3840 9 месяцев назад

    Thank you very much! This is exactly what I want to know about that when I change my scaling on my m1 pro Mackbook because I like to have more space on a screen.

  • @Aspireonthego
    @Aspireonthego Год назад +3

    Thanks for the awesome and in-depth explanation! I have a 27" 4K monitor hooked up to my top spec macbook pro 16" 2019 and have not noticed any performance hit, scaled at 1440p. Under most tasks, I don't even hear the fans spin up.

  • @DaleC1980
    @DaleC1980 7 месяцев назад +2

    That was so helpful. I have a mac mini with a samsung 32 inch 4k. I scaled it to 3200x1800. I liked the scaling size but it still looked scaled. I thought it was still 4k but making it look bigger. So I took a screenshot and realized it was 4x. So now I just set it to native 4k and manually adjusted screen elements such as the menu bar size, the dock and desktop icons as well as the Safari text size.

    • @MonicaRubio
      @MonicaRubio 3 месяца назад

      wish you could do a tutorial or something because i have a macbook air with a samsung 32 inch 4k and i genuinely hate using it bc of how laggy it is

  • @jcantin9491
    @jcantin9491 Год назад

    Thank you very much for your point of view on the subject. It has convinced me to go for a 4k monitor

  • @caedenisviral
    @caedenisviral Год назад +11

    extremely underrated youtuber, going off the quality and video information alone, I would’ve assumed you had over a million subscribers. Keep up the good work man 👍

  • @marekgitarzysta5193
    @marekgitarzysta5193 11 месяцев назад

    The best explanation I could find - good job!

  • @MusicAlfon
    @MusicAlfon Год назад +2

    Hello! Nice video, thanks for the info. I ve been reading tons of information and posts saying that there is also a big problem with QHD ULTRAWIDE resolution (bluriness, text clarity), do you know if is true or is it the same misunderstanding as you said about 4k?

  • @zlivomir
    @zlivomir Год назад +1

    Great video! Thanks for your clear explanation of the whole thing.
    If I got it right, you have no information about performance issues on base models, like the M1 Mini, MacBook Air or MacBook Pro, since you tested on M1 Pro/Max; you rather suppose there could be some bottlenecks. Have you any further info about those base models performance working with a scaled resolution (typically looks like 2560x1440)?

  • @tutubeos
    @tutubeos Год назад +3

    In the end I bought the LG 40” ultrawide for my Mac Studio. Yes, in native resolution, text is too small. I’m using it scaled, no issues, its awesome! Thank you! 🙏

    • @SharkBoy87
      @SharkBoy87 11 месяцев назад

      What scaling, the 1440p? Seems very large for 40”

  • @grics667
    @grics667 Год назад +1

    Excellent video - as always!

  • @rsr789
    @rsr789 Год назад

    Fantastic video! Thank you for posting!

  • @WineWorldTV
    @WineWorldTV Год назад +1

    I have a Late 2015 iMac 27 and an LG 27MU58-B 27" monitor. I've had this setup for 5 years. For many years I ran the monitors at a resolution higher than 1440p thinking it would be better. I saw a similar video a couple years ago explaining basically the same thing and switched to 1440p for both monitors. Other than a brightness difference and a slight color difference, the LG monitor looks just as sharp as the iMac. Yeah, I could pixel peep and see a difference, but the reality is for 95-99% of the work I do, it doesn't matter. For video editing, I use the iMac to make sure my colors are good, but otherwise, it doesn't matter which monitor I'm using. Great video.

    • @frostgodx
      @frostgodx Год назад +1

      you can easily tell a difference between 5k running at half (1440) vs a 1440 display at native res once your used to the 5k though which is what annoys most people. You see the same things in windows laptops people cry about the 1080 screens looking like crap but love a 4k screen running at 200% scale the same 1080 just because you don't see the pixels.

  • @EveInTheMachine
    @EveInTheMachine 11 месяцев назад

    Thank you. I was worrying about this because I plan on using the setup for film and graphical editing. 2k resolution not really being the standard for those anymore really screws me up so I'm happy that I don't really have to worry about this anymore lol.

  • @michaelwerner5165
    @michaelwerner5165 9 месяцев назад

    Thanks. An extremely helpful video, which helps debunk myths around scaling and performance

  • @fpst
    @fpst Год назад

    Great video. I really liked it and learned something but have you tried changing the codec of your final file? When you use your A-Roll you see these circles around the light. It doesn't look beautiful. I don't know if it's a problem from YT or FCP but i would like to see you fix it. Anyways great job.

  • @khanscombe619
    @khanscombe619 Год назад

    Great video. I will definitely be coming back to check out more.
    I love the crispness of My Apple Thunderbolt or is vibrant colours. What would be a good PC counterpart at 24-27" 4K in a Samsung or like?

  • @MarbsMusic
    @MarbsMusic 2 месяца назад

    Very thorough explanation, thank you!

  • @finalcutstudio1
    @finalcutstudio1 Год назад +67

    Finally someone made a concise, well researched video to address such a serious Apple Mac screen display issue. There are a few other videos related to this issue and they certainly contain a lot of scare-mongering misinformation. This video hits the nail on the head. As a video editor, plus grading footage means I am using a 5K Mac Display plus a 4K Display as dual monitors with my Mac Studio. Thank you. 🙂

    • @visualstudiosproductions
      @visualstudiosproductions Год назад

      How? 5k imacs can't be used as external displays. There is no other "5k mac display". Do you mean the apple studio display?

    • @tgilbert4319
      @tgilbert4319 Год назад +2

      @@visualstudiosproductions Yes, that would be what Dion meant. They are running a Mac Studio that has no built in display. The only 5K external displays available now are the Apple Studio Display and (maybe still available) LG Ultrafine.

    • @lenguyenphi
      @lenguyenphi Год назад +4

      Yeap, I work on both Windows and Mac and I've been hesitating to buy a 32 inches 4k monitor or save for the 32 inches XDR whichs is ridiculously expensive until I have to buy it for my wfh office. Man I can say that I was being happy from day 1 until now. Windows and MacOS both displayed great on my LG 32UN650 which is 1/3 the price of the XDR's 1000$ stand!!! I can confirm that all Kyle say is correct!!!

    • @tomhollett
      @tomhollett 10 месяцев назад +1

      @@lenguyenphi What display settings do you use on your LG in terms of scaling size and HDR? I'm trying to decide the sweet spot for my LG 32UN650 on a Mac Studio M2 for photo and astrophotography editing.

  • @bryans8656
    @bryans8656 Год назад +3

    Thanks for this explanation, it helped me understand why the ASUS ProArt 2K monitor I use with my Mac desktop scales so well.

    • @Scolio
      @Scolio Год назад

      Thats the 300 dollar one right? Im trying to find a display that will work with the mac mini Im getting out of the box and that one claims “mac support” which I would hope means it doesnt need any special treatment to look good

    • @bryans8656
      @bryans8656 Год назад

      @@Scolio Yes, that's the one. You won't have to do anything special to set it up with your mini. Just plug in the HDMI cable and the power cable and you're good to go.

  • @o0alois0o
    @o0alois0o Год назад +1

    Hello there... thank for this video! So when it comes to Blender, which 32" Monitor would you go for if you're using an M1 Max? Thanks for your help :)

  • @jspring86
    @jspring86 Год назад

    Great video man!

  • @JFostermusic
    @JFostermusic 3 месяца назад

    Great review! What’s a good 4k monitor you recommend for scaling? I have a Mac mini m2.

  • @pgulyas
    @pgulyas Год назад

    Very good explanation, thanks a lot!

  • @TheAppleLoadout
    @TheAppleLoadout Год назад

    Great content. Brilliant presentation. Such a shame that those leaks and rumors channels have 20x subscribers than this professional.

  • @andrei007ps
    @andrei007ps Год назад

    Excellent video, I expected the scaling to work similarly to windows, but it seams it supersamples the image, which in the end it has pros and cons.

  • @arturoglz.1057
    @arturoglz.1057 Год назад

    I had'nt seen any good explanation obout the scaling issue, until now!

  • @maulikjadav9673
    @maulikjadav9673 Год назад

    Great video. Liked and subscription added. Keep going 👍

  • @RAnthonyphotos
    @RAnthonyphotos Год назад

    Hey Kyle, great video! I'm purchasing a Mac Studio in a few days and still undecided with a monitor. Microsoft, LRC, PS, & Topaz is generally what I used. Any recommendations on an affordable one? Thx!

  • @rubenj3128
    @rubenj3128 7 месяцев назад +1

    Noone talks about DisplayPort vs HDMI, but that also makes big difference. I had blurry texts as well when I got a 4k and QHD connected simultaneously, but resolved it by using a USB-c to Display Port cable instead of HDMI.

  • @tutubeos
    @tutubeos Год назад +4

    Thank you very much. I’m about to buy a monitor for my new Mac studio, but I was really getting frustrated about the PPI matter: being near 110 or 220 PPI is good, anything else is bad. At the end, I think we should buy whatever we like and test it.

  • @Mzansi74
    @Mzansi74 4 месяца назад

    Thanks Kyle. Great explanation!

  • @Technoholicplus
    @Technoholicplus 17 дней назад

    I have excatly same monitor and m2 mac with 16 gigs of ram, thanks for making this video.

  • @ryanoldenburg1855
    @ryanoldenburg1855 Год назад +1

    Great video, do you think running dual 4k would have an additional impacts? I have noticed some challenges when running MS PowerPoint while on a zoom call In presentation mode

    • @markeissler
      @markeissler Год назад +1

      This is exactly what @KyleErickson refers to in his video...reports of performance issues that can possibly be attributed to hardware capabilities. Someone with a maxed out mbp (m1 max) is less likely to have problems here vs someone running with something like a mbp air (m1/m2). I just watched a review for a 4k 32" display by a software engineer that complained about performance problems and then also noted his mbp only had one video output...so that would be a base model??

  • @jtrjammer
    @jtrjammer 4 месяца назад

    Kyle, excellent video, thank you for posting. Question, if you use a WUHD display, e.g. 34” native 3440 x 1440 or 38” native 3880 x 1600 does Apple still scale this up to 5K and then down to the native resolution?

  • @IsaacFromHK
    @IsaacFromHK Год назад +37

    From my experience, the scaled performance thing doesn't really affect M1 chipset much, but if you use an intel mac, and try to watch some video at scaled resolution, you will see the GPU usage jumps up pretty high and the fan starts to kick in.
    that is true when I compared this on my 2017 macbook pro 15 inch vs the Mac mini m1

    • @gamervmid
      @gamervmid Год назад +1

      Yeah! The same story with my MBP 15 2018 😢

    • @UTJK.
      @UTJK. Год назад +4

      I have a 16" Intel... it got really slow if used at scaled resolution. No problem with the M1.

    • @ricarmig
      @ricarmig Год назад

      Well on my M1 Mac Mini if I move a lot windows, 3D ... I notice some slowdown. On native nothing at all.

    • @frostgodx
      @frostgodx Год назад +1

      every computer no matter the chipset will start heating up playing 1440 or higher video its just the nature of rendering video to the monitor even with any M1 (my m1 max 32 core even gets to 65c from 40c resting temp when watching a 4k video.

    • @RNFedit
      @RNFedit Год назад +1

      @@UTJK. so what’s the best resolution for mac intel?

  • @gregfromthevaley
    @gregfromthevaley Год назад +169

    I just don’t understand why Apple won’t let us change size of system font. We could use monitors native resolutions and adjust interface

    • @Ryan-sn6gn
      @Ryan-sn6gn Год назад +7

      You’d still have a problem with file and app sizes on the screen

    • @SokoladoFabrikas
      @SokoladoFabrikas Год назад +6

      because interface design system is not a piece of water

    • @joekim3902
      @joekim3902 Год назад +33

      Windows does that already and scaling on 4k displays is an absolute shitshow

    • @ellandill
      @ellandill 11 месяцев назад +24

      @@joekim3902 fonts on windows looks a way better on 27'' 4k than on mac, even comparing same applications like chrome or evernote

    • @michaelriga6431
      @michaelriga6431 9 месяцев назад

      @@ellandillAgreed! I have a 4k LG Ultrafine on WIndows everything looks a lot better. Even SuperHuman looks better!

  • @martin_isla
    @martin_isla 7 месяцев назад

    Really great video!
    Just a comment regarding the explanation at the beginning of the "4K Scaled Performance" section. We can't compare pooling and batching to actual screen refresh because those are two completely different things. Batching saves CPU and memory, which is great and highly appreciated, but that's completely unrelated to refreshing the display. I know it's just an example, but I feel like the comparison and conclusion isn't relevant to the video.
    Displays do need to redraw 60+ times per second and the Mac does need to render at a given resolution and downscale every time. This doesn't mean things need to be recalculated, but again, this has absolutely nothing to do with the display. And finally, this isn't as terrible for performance as it sounds. You can think of it as taking a screenshot and resizing it. Once everything is rendered and you get the final (for example) 5K image you just need to downscale it, which is fairly quick and explains why there's virtually no difference between native and downscaled resolutions.

  • @raytsh
    @raytsh 3 месяца назад

    Great, best video on that topic! Thanks!

  • @vasileandreicalin2685
    @vasileandreicalin2685 Год назад +6

    I got a mb pro 16 2019 with 16gb ram and i7 and sometimes my mac slows down a lot with 2 4k monitor and the scaling to 1440p. With the new silicon chips maybe it's not an issue but with my config sometimes gives me problems... I wish i had bought 2 qhd monitors and not 4k or even a super ultra wide .

  • @dbrewood
    @dbrewood Год назад

    I'd be interested in some advice. I was an Intel i7 Mac Mini owner and I've just upgraded to a Mac Mini M2 Pro. The monitor used with both machines in an ageing (8 years old??) Samsung S34E790C (3400 x 1400) 34" UW monitor. With the old Mini it was connected via lightning to HDMI dongle, with the new M2 Mini I'd had to switch to using HDMI as the M2 Mini 'sees' the monitor being 'switched off' when it goes to sleep. This means that when it wakes the screen any apps that are open resize / reposition to the bottom left of the screen - which drove me nuts!
    So I'm therefore looking for a new monitor, ideally I guess a 34" (or larger) would be preferred connected via Thunderbolt. I consume a lot of media and like to have a lot of windows open on screen so 27" is too restrictive.
    I've been considering the forthcoming Dell Ultrasharp 32" 6K monitor but I feel it'll be too expensive, or the 49" Samsung Odyssey G959C. I think I may be going overboard here. Also considering the 32" BenQ PD3220U 4K IPS display.
    I guess a 34" (or similar / larger) UW 5k display would be perfect but no ideas if such a monitor exists for a decent price?
    So any thoughts? Any assistance or comments would be greatly appreciated.

  • @TheGabriel75011
    @TheGabriel75011 6 месяцев назад

    Best video of this topic and great community in the comments too
    Thanks a lot

  • @anthonyhobson367
    @anthonyhobson367 Год назад +1

    I’m searching for a new monitor for an M1 Mini and debating between 27inch 4K and 24inch 1440p. So this video did help, but I’m still stuck with this question… Which should be better, the 27 scaled to 1440p or the 24 inch at 1440p??

  • @lemmontree1
    @lemmontree1 Год назад

    Finally someone explained this properly! Thanks a lot!

  • @kbaeve
    @kbaeve Год назад +1

    Very good! I avoided 4K because I seen the same video as you haha. I might consider it as my second monitor then, which can bounce between a work and PS5 monitor

  • @tomhollett
    @tomhollett 10 месяцев назад

    What display settings do you use on your LG in terms of scaling size and HDR? I'm trying to decide the sweet spot for my LG 32UN650 on a Mac Studio M2 for photo and astrophotography editing.

  • @InsaneFilms
    @InsaneFilms 7 месяцев назад

    Great explanation. Thank you.

  • @dario3765
    @dario3765 Год назад

    Congratulations on the quality of your analysis!

  • @CraftsmanontheLake
    @CraftsmanontheLake Год назад

    Good explanation... We needed to get this ironed.

  • @RonBearry
    @RonBearry 7 месяцев назад +1

    Kyle, you are the only person to explain this concept in basic terms without over informing! Thank you! I just bought a new Mini to replace my obsolete 27" iMac. For a monitor I went with the very hyped BenQ PD322OU. The default resolution on my Mini with this monitor is 1920 x 1080. At this resolution UI elements are definitely larger than my old 5K iMac. But it's also kind of nice when my eyes get tired. But I wanted a second resolution that would provide more UI space when I need it. I went with 2304 x 1296. This is scaled of course but not too bad. I do however notice that the text is a little blurry when I look closely, certain bolded text, etc. Now I just need to decide if I can settle with it and have the flexibility or switch to a 5K display. Thanks again Kyle for the very straightforward explanation.

  • @nefaStocuDa
    @nefaStocuDa 9 месяцев назад

    Nice explanation! I own a Mac mini M2 8gb of ram. Could be any problem on performances for the low ram of the Mac if I chose a 27” 4k monitor? Thank you

  • @karansaraf87
    @karansaraf87 Год назад

    Is it just the UI that gets scaled, not the actual pixels on the screen? Ie. if I run photoshop, will it still display 4K pixels with regards to the image, but with the UI elements scaled to 1080/1440? Or are you basically turning a 4K screen into a 1080/1440 screen, hence negating the whole point of having the 4K?

  • @vsk.design
    @vsk.design Год назад

    FINALLY SOMEONE DID IT. Thank you, subscribed

  • @chriscasillas
    @chriscasillas Год назад +1

    Thanks for the info! I've been getting tired of my 1080p monitor that I use when my M2 MacBook Air is docked at my desk. There are times when the text just isn't crisp enough for my aging eyes. This video helps to calm any worries about 4K and scaling.

    • @Juan.S7
      @Juan.S7 Год назад

      Where you able to solve text sharpness issue? If so, how did you do it?

    • @chriscasillas
      @chriscasillas Год назад

      @@Juan.S7 I have not. I keep looking at 4K monitors, but haven’t pulled the trigger on one yet.

  • @1964ilovebears
    @1964ilovebears Год назад

    What resolution do you reccomend for a LG32UN88A-W using a basic mac studio Max?. Primarily for photography.
    Regards

  • @Chazz_US_Marine
    @Chazz_US_Marine 8 месяцев назад

    2:27 that part is what I mean. Is there a setting for this or is it supposed to be automatic. This is a lot to take in, and I kind of understand it. On the rescaling info, when I try to change the display resolution from default to the next on up, or even the highest resolution which on my Mac is 3456x2234 all the text and icons are too small. Is there a way to adjust the text size without effecting the screen resolution.

  • @mbicer
    @mbicer Год назад +1

    What would be the best choice of 23" and larger monitors for Mac Mini M2 8GB? Should i avoid 4K's and settle with QHD? Thanks.

  • @vinceblues7305
    @vinceblues7305 28 дней назад

    Hi Kyle. Thank you for this explaination. Finally the situation is clear to me. However I still didn't get how to overcome the issue that, if I select monitor native 4k res the icons and text are so little that it turns to be barely useless...did I miss something? I can i zoom in?

  • @jozef_s
    @jozef_s Год назад

    Thanks mate, helpful!

  • @jayel27
    @jayel27 Год назад +46

    As someone who has been using dual 4K monitors since 2015 and recently went triple monitor setup I can confirm that the scaling is a huge problem on intel macs and less so on my M1 mini and even less in my M1 Max Studio Max… for now anyways.
    Webex, google meet and zoom kill the machine and force me to disconnect a display and switch to 1080p in order to stay on a call. Even more so if I’m trying to screen share.
    When I work on my 34” 1440p ultrawide I have zero issues with performance. Same scenarios run smooth. That’s in a 2019 15” MBP with 32gb of ram and two GPUs.
    Go 5k or 1440p. It will future proof your setup. Trust what apple is doing. They’ve optimized their machines well as well as scaling.

    • @sagunmdr
      @sagunmdr Год назад +1

      1440p 60hz or 1080p 120hz?

    • @jayel27
      @jayel27 Год назад +3

      @@sagunmdr if you are on 27” monitors, 1440p. You can find some with higher refresh rates. I have one that is 75hz. But I don’t game so if you do, I’d imagine you want higher. But 1440p if you are using it for work and creative.
      If you are gaming, get the best your machine handle.
      I don’t use 1080p on 27” as the UI is too large. Not good for the work I do.

    • @myrealusername2193
      @myrealusername2193 Год назад

      @@sagunmdr if you’re at anything above 24”, then go 1440p. macOS is (despite apple’s attempts) not really used for gaming so a super high refresh rate is less important than resolution.

    • @moshcorerider
      @moshcorerider Год назад +1

      I had massive problems with my old 27 Intel iMac (i5 2015) when plugging in to a second 4K panel the GPU was struggling very hard and the fans spun very high

    • @user-xb9pq8hj1c
      @user-xb9pq8hj1c Год назад

      @@myrealusername2193 in makos at 144hz it is much more pleasant, and accordingly more productive to work, than on clumsy 60 or 75 Hz

  • @Li_Qifei
    @Li_Qifei Год назад +4

    Nice explanation! But I still have this question related to scaling. Say I have macOS scaled to 1440p on a 4k screen and when I play a 4k video fullscreen will that be scaled down or native 4k? Thanks!

    • @Minsetti
      @Minsetti Год назад +4

      The real resolution of your display is still 4K no matter the scaling so the video plays at 4K. The scaling just makes the UI elements look like they are the same size than on a 1440p display.

  • @johto
    @johto Год назад

    I have my Macbook Air M1 hooked to my 4k 75" TV via clamshell mode through a dock in the living room. I use the "looks like 1920x1080" which is 2x scaling. The UI is not too big at all from 3 meters leght, i dont have very good eye sight anymore. Also had to do some config file editing on the MacOS to it to output true RGB and not the YCBCR444, my Samsung TV has more accurate colours when it uses the RBG vs YCBCR444, cause i initally calibrated it with a iDisplay Pro colorimeter when it was outputing RGB with a external pattern generator.

  • @akin242002
    @akin242002 8 месяцев назад +1

    Thanks for this video. QHD seems to be the best choice monitor for those that cannot afford a $3k 5k iMac or Apple 5k Monitor in general.

  • @murdockscott
    @murdockscott Год назад +4

    I had been shopping for a new monitor to replace my aging Apple Thunderbolt and had landed on the Dell U3223QE as a possible choice but could never find one being demonstrated anywhere. I tried looking for information online but was continually warned off because of the “dreaded Apple upscaling performance hit”! I witnessed many people calling others foolish for even considering a 4k monitor, mostly based on a video made by a seemingly well meaning young man who was very vague about the specifications of the gear and workflow he was basing his opinions on. I was dubious due to my several decades of experience as a digital artist, creative director and purchaser of gear for art departments. It just seemed like something else was going on. Like maybe he was using a low powered Mac mini or worse yet an older Intel based computer with integrated graphics. Since the Apple Studio Display did not seem like a good deal to me and I really wanted a 32 inch so I could sit back a bit from the monitor with my aging eyes, the Dell seemed perfect. I am very glad I ignored all those people insisting that it would cause technical heartache to hook a 4k monitor up to an Apple Studio Max! I purchased the Dell and it has been GREAT! Thank you so much for working to dispel this nonsense. I wish this video had existed back when I was looking, it would have quickly put my mind at rest and made me feel less crazy about my inherent belief that the information must have been overblown.

    • @imtony
      @imtony Год назад

      I’m also planning for a monitor. Does it give the retina look at 3840x2160?

  • @tetrizium2210
    @tetrizium2210 Год назад

    good learning experience on your video but I was wondering about connections and 4k - 5k . Connection what is the best to connect m1 m2 base to monitor hdmi / displayport / usb c / thunderbold 3-4 also which K is better on the m1 m2 4K or 5K . I haven't bought my studio yet and I want to make I a good monitor with no issues . BTW the monitor I connect to the studio would be greater size of 34 inches ti maybe 38" in wide monitor and maybe 43" in regular 16/9

  • @mondotv4216
    @mondotv4216 Год назад +2

    My big question I don't think was answered? Is it only scaling the UI objects or is everything scaled? Video for example still appears to be 4K but if it's not what exactly is the point of buying a 4K monitor for the Mac?

  • @bkkdavidg
    @bkkdavidg 7 месяцев назад

    Have you tested older MacBook Pros (eg 2018) with a 4k monitor like the Dell U2723QE? Does the image look okay, and would it perform okay for editing in Final Cut Pro?

  • @bradyherbert2418
    @bradyherbert2418 Год назад

    THANK YOU for tackling this topic so thoroughly! Great explanation. I've often wondered a lot about this myself. Agree that there is no evidence that this is an issue any longer. Years ago, I think it may have been with the old AMD Radeon graphics on the 16" MBP. If you ran an external monitor at a scaled resolution (e.g., "looks like 3008 x 1692"), it was effectively pushing 6k pixels based on your explanation. Add 2 monitors and those graphics cards would start to choke...

  • @EnokMadrid
    @EnokMadrid Год назад

    I just got the LG 40" 40wp95-w, it's a 5k2k monitor. Scaling issue is there but barely noticeable, the blurriness is minimal and I haven't had any performance issues.
    The default resolution makes the interface very tiny and the next native resolution without the scaling/performance warning makes the interface huge. So to hit the sweet spot I have to used a scaled resolution.
    Thanks for this video and all the research/ tests performed.. I feel at ease knowing I shouldn't worry about scaling issues since this monitor was a big investment.

    • @Brithor
      @Brithor Год назад

      What chip are you using? I'm looking at buying this monitor but worried my base M2 chip is not going to cut it.

    • @EnokMadrid
      @EnokMadrid Год назад

      @@Brithor M1 Mac mini

    • @markeissler
      @markeissler Год назад

      @@Brithor Probably not a good idea. Neither is the M1 Mac mini. They just don't have the GPU processing power and I bet that for every negative review you see on RUclips or threads like this it probably comes down to: 1) I'm running an Intel Mac; 2) I'm running the most affordable base model M1/M2 MB or MBP I could find. You're likely to find better success with a native 5k monitor (the 5k2k is just a gimmick, it's 5k horizontally but it's a 4k vertically) otherwise you'll still run into needing to scale and a lesser machine just won't perform well.

    • @EnokMadrid
      @EnokMadrid Год назад

      Mac mini, M1 with 16gb ram... I run design software with large files. Video editing. Zoom calls while presenting my screen with all design and browser software running. So far so good, I haven't had performance issues from the monitor. It's all smooth.

  • @foronefilms
    @foronefilms Год назад +2

    I'm running a MacBook Pro M2 Max in clamshell with (2) Dell 27" 4K external monitors set at 1920x1080 (HiDPI). Works well for my purposes. Crispy display and no performance issues. Toggle the "Show all resolutions" setting to select HiDPI mode.

    • @berndnuel508
      @berndnuel508 4 месяца назад

      Same / prefer also $K 27" Dell

  • @RapManCZ
    @RapManCZ Год назад +1

    And what about the power consumption of the mac with different scaling options?

  • @RobZZZ-le7qx
    @RobZZZ-le7qx Год назад

    Excellent Explanation !

  • @198000669
    @198000669 Год назад

    Hi, excuse me, but do these small problems also exist on Windows or does it work differently? Thank you

  • @kmcsmart
    @kmcsmart Год назад

    Great video as always. Thanks. Love your-shirt. Where did you get it?

    • @KyleErickson
      @KyleErickson  Год назад

      I couldn’t tell you! No idea

    • @kmcsmart
      @kmcsmart Год назад

      @@KyleErickson ok, just mail me your shirt ;)