The ending for the game got me really heated when I saw how Lorath and the hero just decide let Neyrelle walk off with the soulstone. Lorath saying “We’ll just have to wait and see what happens”, made it worse. If anyone should know how dangerous a single person with a prime evil trapped in a soulstone could be, it’d be Lorath. If Neyrelle ends up being a meat puppet for Mephisto and everyone else dies because of it, I say it’s well deserved.
i was furious, the cliffanger doesnt make any sense knowing all the history indeed, especially leaving Mephisto with a young girl which is unexperienced.
The reason why Lorath recommended to "wait and see" is because Neyrelle gave no hint whatsoever where she was going nor where she was, so the player and Lorath literally need to wait for a lead to pop up. There's actually a postgame chapter of the Book of Lorath audio lore series where Lorath's patience somewhat pays off as Neyrelle stops by at Kurast and Mephisto's influence is so strong there that chaos just erupts at the presence of his soulstone, giving Lorath a lead as he now knows where to start looking as he immediately begins his pursuit with this first lead to follow since word of this reaches him and he sets off to investigate. Basically, you can't chase something if it has no lead to chase after. Lorath is also aware that there is no possible way that Neyrelle could hide it for long anyways without something happening and word of that something spreading, which is exactly what happens.
I thought the same and it would be so obvious that I really hope they have some ace up on their sleeve. Though it’s difficult to come up with a good plot twist that is also convincing
@@joshuakim5240what is this audio series you are talking about? I’m still waiting for my copy of the book of lorath to be delivered, is there an audio version?
@@chrislyngar9081that wasn’t Mephisto, it was his brother Baal. In Diablo 2 prime evil possessions Diablo -> Prince Aiden (warrior from diablo 1) Baal -> Tal Rasha Mephisto -> Sankekur
@@chrislyngar9081 yep not debating that at all. So far how D4 has been playing out I think Mephisto has been preparing the player’s character for possession. He’s kept you on a particular path yet “blessed” the character twice.
It was incredibly frustrating for me that the wanderer was so dismissive of Lilith's arguments, which I thought were well reasoned. But, thinking about how Mephistos hatred of Lilith could have influenced the wanderers perception is an interesting idea which explains their attitude.
And at the end of the day Lilith would've stabbed the wanderer in the back the same as Mephisto would've lesson of the day never trust a prime evil under any circumstance cause they always have an ulterior motive to use you and then screw you over later.
Trusting a Demon from the Burning Hells is dangerous. Mephisto may be the greater threat but...Lilith still wasn't our friend either, no matter how much "Mother of Sanctuary" propaganda she gives us. She sums it up "Let the weak fend for themselves" As she lets a human get eaten up live by two wolves.
Neyrelle is also motivated by hatred and loss. When her mother died, remember she said to your character "iam trying not to hate you". She is redirected that Hatred to Lilith.
@@thebrute0747 I thought the mother on the first playthrough, but on another I thought the PC. "You were protecting me, I am trying not to hate you" (iirc) But remember, only the Player knows about the interactions between the mother and Lilith (Where mom says stuff like "I taught her to survive" "she's strong" etc.), Neyrelle doesn't. I think it's the player because of this, but I also don' think it matters. The seed of hatred was already sowed.
that was at the very beginning of the game... by the end of the campaign she absolutely was NOT concerned with that and definitely didn't hold any animosity toward the player character. You're off base.
@@thebrute0747 she was definitely talking to the player... but Neyrelle is still not motivated by hatred. the only way you could think that is if you stopped playing at act 1.
@@squirts1 Did you even read the comment you're replying to or did you stop reading at act 1? First, they said she redirected that hatred towards Lilith, meaning she DIDNT hate the player by the end, if anyone is "off base" it's you. Second, she doesnt need to be 100% motivated by hatred, she just needs to feel some of it for Mephisto to latch onto and manipulate her. And judging by Vessel of Hatred trailer, Mephisto found what he was looking for. Him taking the form of Neyrelle's mother is like putting salt on a wound to stir up that hatred and take further control of her, hence her being grotesquely bound while Mephisto says "you hold the stone, you CONTROL nothing".
It was on the nose that we were manipulated by Mephesto the whole game. What bothered me is how oblivious the main character was to anything happening, they was just an NPC that followed every order given to them. They should have gave us the choice to side with either or neither.
The main character isn’t oblivious, as the dangers of Mephisto’s manipulation are referenced a few times. It’s more of a situation where Lilith is a nuke that is going to blow in 5 seconds, versus Mephisto being a nuke that’s going to blow in a few days. You have to defuse one that’s about to blow and let the other tick away because the first one is literally about to hit zero. You deal with it, then worry about the other. It’s supposed to be a bad decision in a sea of worse decisions.
Not oblivious. Every scenario we were in was either stay in “that” dimension or return but with “help”. Literally what other choice can you do? Delete your character? Stay in the dimension forever? Compare it to Diablo 2 where Cain is trapped in Tristam.
@@elidnis9811 Why not? it makes for a better story, especially when you consider shes the lesser of two evils and theres direct evidence to point to her actually caring for the nephalem, ultimately though she needed inarius to bring balance back. Its just unfortunate because of the heavens distrust of the nephalem, where as she did want to protect them. After all it makes no sense as to why she killed both angel and demon alike that was aware of their creation of Sanctuary. She may be a demon but she is the mother of sanctuary, and without her there arent many people left on either side that want humanity to survive.
@@elidnis9811 think because she was trying to end the eternal battle between heaven and hell. Rather than heaven and hell using Sanctuary as a battle field she wanted to take his power and destroy both heaven and hell. Not saying it’s the best answer but eternal conflict with countless lives being lost between it isn’t much better
@@DasInf13 Throughout the entirety of the story, Lilith makes it very clear that she is manipulating everyone she comes into contact with. Even when she is confronted with Rathma's death, she lets the mask slip by saying "It was stolen from me", like he was a tool for her "perfect world" than her own son. Any time she shows any emotion, it is used to push her agenda forward. When she tries to recruit you, she throws all of her allies under the bus, sweet talking you while simultaneously bashing Ellias, and even Rathma himself, just to try to tickle your ego enough to soothe you into her command. Her "wanting the best for Sanctuary" was just an excuse to genocide angels and demons, then rule over what's leftover. Let's not forget that the entire time she was confessing love to Inarius when they were creating Sanctuary, it was verified that she faked all of it. Not a single thing that comes out of that demoness is genuine, except the selfish desire to hurt and torture to satiate her own nature; hatred.
I also noticed some of the things you said in the video. When I finished the campaign, I was left with the feeling that Mephisto is the real villain and Lilith was just what led to him coming back. I'm pretty sure the expansions will have us fight him or his son.
@@silith7027 Just joking because of the woke shit in the game. Obviously everyone and their mother knows its a bad fucking idea to let a handicapped little female be in the company of one of the god damn prime evils of hell Not even the strongest heroes could handle them. Not a single one. But yea sure some one handed girl that red a few lines out of a horadrim book that one time will do it...
@@silith7027 She was looking tired by that last scene of her. There's no doubt that the next time that we see her it will be with a soulstone stuck in her forehead. Or Arm stump. Unless....the tales of Lucian are just tales and his body is buried somewhere in Sanctuary. Maybe Mephisto wants to resurrect through Lucian, not rez him.
Lilith has a lot in common with Handsome Jack from Borderlands games. They both had good intentions, to save the "galaxy", but the methods they used were not among the most "heroic" I would say. They both believe in necessary evil.
I mean Hitler also had good intentions if we go by that logic. Every great political massmurderer had his own "good" intentions from Mao to Stalin over Pol Pot. You can no judge something by intentions, you judge as the Bible says "Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them".
What really hit me was the hatred in Lilith's voice when it comes to Rathma. Mephisto set up Inarius perfectly to even enrage the Daughter of Hatred. At some points in the story i wished we had a choice to team up with Lilith. Who despite beeing a demon and likes to motivate a sinfull/animalistic life wanted to escape the eternal conflict. Also the hatred and desperation in Nyrelle about her mother are great puzzle. Only thing i can't understand: sure we as the hero got Liliths blood but that shouldn't open us to Mephisto. Also Lorath should know how dangerous a soulstone with a prime evil in Sanctuary could be. Also let's not forget our nephalem in D4 is still developing and facing Lilith in hell was a big threat already. Getting Mephisto out of the cathedral so we only face Lilith and grow as a nephalem could not only be Mephistos but our best choice too.
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Your theories make sense. So far, Mephisto is the only Prime who hasn’t had a game/expansion where he is the main threat. I believe that Neyrelle knew the story of Mephisto corrupting the Zakarum, and so she decided to leave to try to hide the soul stone, but I think she will be corrupted along the way. I really do like the thought of Lucion making an appearance. Would be a neat little twist.
I dont think Mephisto will be the main threat in D4 either. He'll be the next expansion boss, but Blizzard promised more expansions in the future, so we will likely get Diablo as one of the final baddies. If anything, to at least satisfy the people who keep complaining that a game called Diablo 4 doesn't have Diablo in it.
I disagree on One thing: why Lucion, when he can just try to free his brothers? They have always been well aligned with his plans all along, and relished on the oportunity to spread terror and destruction at will. I think it does more sense than Lucion, despite his importance for the cult of the Triune. After all, why speak to the priest, when you can speak directly to (the) God(s) you're worshiping?
This is pretty much how I read the situation, having finally beaten the campaign last night. I was a little bummed that our hero didn't respond to Lilith or Mephisto at any point by saying "screw both you guys, Imma kill you both cuz neither of you are good for humanity." Or at least I would have hoped for dialog that went a little deeper, pressing Lilith especially on her methods and motivations. And then Mephisto is like "oh, no, don't put the soulstone into me!" while leaning forward suggestively. A little heavy-handed, but I think that was more intentional for us the audience to see the manipulation happening and being helpless to intervene on our character's behalf. Overall, I'm much happier with the writing in this game than I was with D3 and it looks like they have a solid plan for how this story will unfold.
I agree, I feel like the foundation they've laid is way more solid than D3. I'm really looking forward to how it unravels through seasons and eventually an expansion.
well .. Lilith said she wants to end the war once and for all, she had the tools but only you stood in her way and you said no, you will die here and mephisto will live and keeps terrorizing Sanctuary.
I really wish the cliffhanger wasn't the end of the story, lilith was a stepping stone, a side chick. But going against Mephisto would make it worth the struggle. :3
Makes sense to me. The second I found out who that wolf was and where Lilith was going with as far as her plans I started to suspect heavily that Mephisto was the one pulling the strings. “Ooohhhh noooo….please wanderer….don’t kill my daughter that’s trying to get rid of me and conceal me within that stone that will keep me confined away from her….what ever shall I dooooooo???”
Great points to touch on. Throughout the campaign i always felt like i was playing into the hands of mephisto. From inarius’s rather ambiguous escape from hell to prava’s curious survival from hell, from horadrim wanna be girl’s interactions with the souls stone to our lack of sense of accomplishment after defeating lilith. We are always desperate to do something but what should we do for the greater good is a question left unanswered. Which is a great design considering you are but a mortal going against prime evils.
This a copy paste of my comment on another video but this is how I interpret the whole prophecy (at least the parts that aren’t obvious) and it really shows Mephisto was behind all of the events. “I saw my corpse, and from my mouth crawled Hatred,” I think this might be referring to the prophecy itself being inspired by Mephisto, hatred’s words crawling out of Rathma’s mouth. This fits neatly with how in control Mephisto is of every event in the story (likely even being the one to let Inarius escape hell so the rest of it happens as planned). “A father burned his children on a pyre” Referring to Inarius. “and a mother molded a new age from the ashes, I saw the weak made strong, a pack of lambs feasting on wolves,” Referring to Lilith and the results of her actions on sanctuary. “Tears of blood rained on a desert jewel,” Event in Caldeum. “and the way to Hell was torn asunder” Lilith opening the gate to hell. “Then came a spear of light, piercing Hatred's heart,” This could either be referring to Inarius’ hateful heart being pierced by his own spear of light or to Mephisto being pierced by the soul stone. “And he who was bound in chains was set free." I believe this part hasn’t occurred yet and that it is referring to Mephisto escaping his imprisonment in the soulstone on sanctuary (which is inevitable considering he knows how to corrupt soul stones). On a side note, Mephisto might have actually sowed the seeds of doubt into Elias about the horadrim (like he does with us and likely Neyrelle) to set the whole plot with Lilith in motion, which is very realistic seeing as the prime evils can glimpse into the future (See Adria taunting us about Diablo’s release at our hands).
Mephisto was going to win no matter what happened. If Inarius killed Lilith, then Mephisto wins. If you used the soulstone to imprison Lilith, Mephisto wins. If you used the soulstone to capture Mephisto, Mephisto wins. All he needed was a pebble to start the avalanche. You. Someone smart enough to follow along, but not bright enough to know when to quit, or how to see the bigger picture. The best plans don't include failure.
Mephisto was also in the midst of regenerating his form, it may speed up the process substantially for him to be able to tap into worldshard energy. He may have her hunting them for him right now for all we know.
What I dont understand is we never see baal or diablo soulstone shattered. We did mephistos ourself. So either the soulstones dont work for destroying a soul and just releases it, or they did some kind of rework of the lore.
I think the code name for Diablo 4 is saying even more, as well. In Norse mythology, not only was Fenrir a wolf, paralleling with Mephisto’s avatar, but he was specifically a captured wolf. He was bound in “chains” (more like a magical ribbon, but you get the idea) and when he escaped, just as Mephisto has now, it signaled that the end of the world was coming. In Norse mythology, this was Ragnarok, in Diablo, it could be any chain of events and could definitely include Mephisto’s son. I love your content, please keep going!
This has to be the most worst kept secret of all time! Anyone who didn't see this coming needs to reference Diablo 1 through 3. It's what the primes do.
This was exactly my thought when I finished the campaign. I didn't pick up on all of those details, but I noticed enough to make it very plausible. Plus I know how Mephisto operates. It may turn out not to be the case, but it seems very likely that Mephisto planned the whole thing.
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This is what I have been saying for a long time. Thanks for making a comprehensive video. Cannot wait for the expansion, Diablo 4 - Lord of Hatred. A nice nod/homage to D2s Lord of Destruction expansion.
@@NyxVellum Do you think the High Heavens will join the fray soon? I hope for expansion 2 or 3 the Diamond Gates open once again after being closed and the Heavenly Host is launching it's attack on Sanctuary and Imperius being the leader and commander of the Angels armies have been training his army and bolstering them to prepare for this battle. Title could be Valor's Wrath of the expansion.
ye we were "used" 100% but since u cant make any decisions in the game anyway, its whatever. U just there to kill stuff before u receive the gods message "ur char has been disconnected and banned for 10 mins, try login later".
Lmao love that you mentioned the similarity Tzeench and Mephisto have, imo they present the same character in these fantasy worlds. Pretty sure I mentioned these similarities in an earlier video
I noticed most of the things you mentioned, though there were a few I missed, like the howling when attuning the Soulstone; and I largely agree with your conclusions. The one exception is Lucion. As I understand it, Uldyssian's power was, at that point, scary strong. Demons normally return to the Burning Hells to reform, like Mephisto's, but Lucion simply ceased to be, and given the Worldstone is gone, he can't do what Lilith did and ramp up humanity's power. I think that was more likely showing a Mephisto back to its glory, in its own body. I wouldn't be surprised if the whole of Diablo 4 was centrered around him and his machinations, and honestly, he deserves it, 10/10 best Prime.
I feel like we are actually not done yet with HELPING Mephisto. He is looking to return as is Diablo and Baal, however I think this time he rather not be absorbed into Diablo to become Tathamet again and will want to screw over his brothers. He will probably cook up a scheme to ask the player to fight against Diablo and Baal with some kind of offer we can't refuse. Neyrelle will be a useful tool to him and he will leverage her in such a deal. He might even want to appear to Sanctuary as a benevolent dictator, a protector of sorts to Sanctuary in contrast to Lilith who wants the strong to kill the weak.
I think the Mephisto puppeteer angle definitely makes for good seasonal content/arcs so let's hope this is correct. Also the opening poem is 100% about Mephisto.
Yep, I thought so as well. I think neyrelle was influenced by meph around the time she first separated from you and started studying by herself in that secret horadrim base.
It’s hard to feel “tricked” or manipulated in a game that gives you no options. Diablo games have never been about choices or open ended stories. You go to the place and smash mobs until candy is dispensed and you go to it again. Mephisto didn’t trick anyone, the game just didn’t give you an option to resist whatever it was he wanted you to do, at all.
small thing i noticed about neyrelle and her open ended future is when she was leaving on the boat, it cut to one angle where the sky was cut in two by the boat. one side of the sky was red, the other was classic light, signifying that we may not know what will happen to her in the future and that it might go either way.
Hard to say if Mephisto orchestrated the entire thing or simply took advantage of the situation unfolding before him. Though I'd say it couldn't be more clear that Mephisto is the only victor throughout the events of the campaign. And to trade a lesser evil for a greater one.... I couldn't help but tell my own character how stupid he was being throughout a lot of the campaign. Great video!
Mephisto put this plan in motion all the way back when he had him in chains. He crafted Inarius into a vessel of hatred way back to achieve what had happened in D4. The question is, how does his demise in D2 fit into all of this. Or was D2 a setback to this masterplan unfolding in D4.
I suspect Mephisto had this as a back up plan. From what had happen in D2. It was more or less going as planned till some heroes got lucky, or at least, we might be lead to believe so. Considering the corruption of the Paladin Hero and the temple/crypt that Mephisto's meat puppet was put into. One of the sidequests in D4. I'm in both agreement with you that somehow, someway that Mephisto's death in D2 was also planned; at least to the extent of spreading his evil tainting hatred through Sanctuary. Though I am also on the idea that D2 was the initial plan, and D4 was the back up plan.
The only thing that has been bothering me with neyrelle is that while the party was advancing in mephisto part of hell everyone was being influenced by hatred and neyrelle seemed to be able to resist this influence rather easily. Everyone is arguing while she is the voice of reason and it just seemed weird to me. If she can resist mephisto influence like this maybe she is choosing her own path and want to do something with the stone?
She wasn't the voice of reason, that's the twist. Her entire motivation is hatred against Lilith for causing her mother's death, so she was the most susceptible to Mephisto the entire time. The only difference is that she was the only one in the group who could bottle up that hatred and hide it (it's even foreshadowed extremely early with her saying that she is "trying very hard not to hate you" after her mom's boss fight). The real voices of reason were Lorath and Donan, who Mephisto goes out of his way to sabotage and separate from the player. He could have just made a portal to his cathedral literally at the first second we enter Hell, but chose to do so only when Donan is killed and Lorath is out of commission and left with Neyrelle whose saying what he wants to happen. We enter Mephisto's realm: he could have called off a good 90% of the demons present with only Lilith's few followers but he threw them at the Wanderer's group so that Donan and Lorath could be disposed of so that he could enact his soulstone plan.
In the Tormented Ruins, which is what the dungeon from the prologue becomes, you can find a burnt parchment with, presumably, an extension to Rathma's prophecy: I saw a serpent coiling in the fires of the Eternal Conflict...saw my corpse, and from my mouth crawled Hatred...the weak made strong... Tears of blood rained on a desert jewel...Hell was torn asunder...a spear of light, piercing Hatred’s heart...a wise man with seven arms...a fog of lies...plagues of every name... I saw a child give birth to a mother, as Hatred’s sun set and that of Terror and Destruction dawned. This definitely hints at Mephisto, eventually, somehow, paving the way to a resurrected Diablo and Baal. Not to mention the business with the child and the mother, possibly being related to Neyrelle and Vhenard.
i agree with everything but still on the fence about the spear of light and release thing. Im wondering if the spear of light will be Tyrael showing up to skewer mephisto or lucion. But might be a long shot
DLC 1: Mephisto doesn’t corrupt but deceives Neyrelle and in a roundabout way she manages to also bring back Diablo and Baal - and both continents of Sanctuary are accessible. Since Donan dies, this would be a good place for Tyriel to come out of hiding and help Lorath and Wanderer bail Neyrelle’s dumb ass, but Lorath dies and goes to the tree after the Church of Light kills him for being a heretic. DLC 2: the Church of Light still worshipping Inarius (an Angel of Light like Lucifer) and falsely being deceived by Prava that he made it into Heaven, and will return to save Sanctuary from the Primes while committing religious genocide - as he reforms in Hell - as a fallen Angel, Inarius manages to become more twisted and evil than the three primes put together (being Hatred, Terror, and Destruction combined) amassing an army of corrupt demonic crusaders to destroy humanity and conquer heaven to fulfill the “prophecy” - and serves as the final antagonist of Diablo IV. That’s the theory.
@@Kronen9700 - I just did the capstone Church of Light dungeon. Why is the “curator” within the Church of Light, a demonic entity that raises undead? That doesn’t sound very holy or light like. That may be a hint that the Church of Light is actually being influenced by an evil presence. Could be Mephisto, but most likely its the unredeemed Inarius.
That second part will be cool inaruis as an demon or something like that fallen but wasn’t he already filled with hatred before he died. I hope they do that but doubt it unfortunately games called Diablo not inarius
@@LEGOAgenda - yeah, the game is called Diablo. They will have to find a way to shoehorn him in, considering that they are fighting against “Hatred” with little mention of “Terror” and “Destruction” - although the Cathedral of Light has no issue spreading terror across Sanctuary. Somehow, the Cathedral of Light should be used indirectly as a means to bring back Diablo, considering how tone deaf they are to their own BS. But if you played all the games: then you know the REAL FINAL BOSS, is Baal (even on normal difficulty, he’s a pain in the ass.) I hope they get Baal in there somehow.
Mephisto's return is pretty much confirmed by Lillith during her death scene when she essentially says the price to pay is one we can't afford accompanied by flashes of Mephisto.
Rathma's prophecy was about Mephisto, but not in the way people are thinking. A spear of light piercing Hatred's heart is Inarius fighting Lilith (Mephisto's heart). The eventuality of him ending up in the stone was just that. Mephisto has been in charge and running the show since Diablo 2.
The prophecy never said the spear of light killing Hatred after all. Though another way to look at it is the soulstone is the spear of light. And again, nowhere in the prophecy ever said anything about vanquishing Hatred, only the spear piercing Hatred's heart.
Video: Mephisto used you Me (after Vessel of Hated trailer): No Shit Despite that he saved us more then once I knew he was using us but I mean really what choice did we have?! Lilith would of Damned us all! But if he gets out of that stone, not only will he bring back Lucion, but Diablo and Baal as well
mephisto is the oldest evil in the whole series. of course hes up to no good. also meph is the lord of hatred, and inarius had so much hate in him. i saw inarius as a pawn from the getgo.
I think Lilith too was a pawn just as the player character (the wanderer) and Inarius. The entire conflict so far in Diablo 4 was just a catalyst for Mephisto to escape into Sanctuary. He already broke free of his own soul stone in Diablo 2 act 3 to unleash his brothers, so being trapped in a soul stone again seems rather trivial for Mephy. Now he is essentially set free in Sanctuary thanks to both Lilith and the wanderer. The entire story so far was part of Meph's plan.
Something you left out, that I think could affect your thought that Mephisto corrupting Inarius, which I can't quote it 100% or the specific scene in the story, but in one of our interactions with Mephisto, he states something to the effect "The hatred in Inarius was already within his heart, I merely cultivated it." Now, do we trust Mephisto with this statement is the question.
Likely, as a means of baiting her. Mephisto has the means to bring you to him, so he could easily have told Astaroth to let her through and to bait her into acting now, so that she can fight you, likely to lose, since she's injured and you are "blessed" several times now.
It is my opinion that Mephisto is the real tour de force behind the entire Diablo franchise. All the events that have taken place in the past, the events of Diablo I, II, III, and IV, are due to Mephisto's masterful manipulations.
@@beastmotozConsidering we fought and slew him in Diablo 2, I doubt that we'll be unable to fight him. It wasn't in the initial plan to lose to you there, there just happened to be contingency plans incase they were defeated. Besides which, the main goal was to buy time to corrupt the Worldstone, which he did successfully, even at the cost of being forced to reform later or be trapped within the Black Soulstone. It's entirely possible that not only can we kill Mephisto again in Diablo 4's expansion, but that he will have contingency plans for if you do, if it's not the main plan again.
What's cool about the idea of Mephisto regaining control and having more freedom in Sanctuary is that you can already see it happening in gameplay. World tier 3, only available after defeating Lilith and confronting your hatred in the Capstone dungeon in Kyovashad (also having put Mephisto in the soulstone), the Helltide event also is available to player, signaling his influence already taking place in Sanctuaru. Also, the player characters' hatred grows even more as they go on to complete the capstone dungeon for tier 4, confronting Elias once again, but only after he is already dead. I can guess that their hatred has grown so much due to Mephistos meddling that the player begins to imagine more enemies stronger in much more abundance.
I had come to the same conclusion as you after completing the campaign and watching the final cutscene. I think you're absolutely spot on on the fact that Mephisto really wanted you to kill Lilith and wanted himself to be trapped in the souldstone.
Lucion was said to be close to Lilith. Maybe her death is another reason Lucion will return and driven by hatred for those that killed Lilith Lucion will serve as a great pawn for his father
There are already two expansions confirmed so my guess is the first one will be all about mephisto and the second will either be something to do with another prime evil perhaps diablo or maybe something to do with imperius wanting to finish what malthael started
Yeah, that's what I am thinking. Though, the first expansion might be all about the Prime Evils with Mephisto taking center stage, and since this is all about traveling to the West, I might guess that the journey might end at Khanduras (the very area we always started on the first games). The second expansion, my guess, might be about the High Heavens, the Angiris Council, and maybe about Imperius becoming the Aspect of Wrath. There's also Mother Prava's arc since she declared the Wanderer/s and the Horadrim as Public Enemy No. 1.
I got the feeling that the entire time lorath's head was giving the narration hanging from the tree of whispers. Maybe in the last diablo 4 expansion it will pan out and show just his head talking while tied on to a branch.
man, i just finished the story and cant believe how incredible it was! also, yes i would let Mephisto use me cause through the entire game i thought the wolf was badass even knowing it was him lol - also, why didnt we ever see Inarius’s face?
Another way Dul'Mephistos Lord of Hatred manipulated you that is not mentionned, is by exploiting your nostalgia to make you keep playing this heinous game not worth your money. Don't worry it happened to me too, you are not alone!
good Video. I have been stewing on this topic myself and there was something that Mephisto doesn't appear to be in control of and which is a wrench in this idea. The manifestation of Lilith. there is currently no connection between Lilith's return to Sanctuary and Mephisto, and her return and her actions in no way seem to be controlled, beneficial or predictably solved. Mephisto begins his manipulation of the hero, right where he needs the hero to be in order to push them towards facing Lilith. However, the hero is by no means a predictable answer to Lilith, and their deeds could be remembered in the halls of valor, at any moment. this unpredictability continues, as the presence of Nayrelle could not have been predicted by Mephisto, and the decision of what to do at the last moment was Nayrelle's, someone whom Mephisto only got a few words with at the last moment. so this allows us to draw some confusing conclusions. If Mephisto released Inarius, he did so before Lilith came to sanctuary and when he had no idea she would be there, so why did he release Inarius? If Mephisto caused Liliths release also in some unseen way, It seems like a very big risk to assume he would release an enemy, and than improvise manipulation over random people around her as she came for him and succeed in that manipulation and that the people he manipulated would themselves live and succeed. If my points are accurate, Than i think that Inarius was meant to be a pawn of Mephisto in some scheme, but Lilith was a surprise and a problem that Mephisto tried to solve. I think Mephisto won in defeating Lilith, but lost by being put in a soulstone because staying in hell was always preferable. Mephsito seems to be able to function with or without the soulstone, but the soulstone scenario could cause him to end up respawning in hell from scratch...again. His new options of courrpting from the soulstone may have some short term potential benefits so long as he has the opportunity of Nayrelle, but i have a feeling Nayrelle wont be another Leah, as that way to redundant. My guess is Nayrelle may be a future reincarnation of Oldician. Mephisto will repeat Oldician's story by helping Nayrelle release her Nephelim powers, and he will hope to consume her afterwords, but will fail since Nayrelle will have our hero to help.
Ok, this one really deserves praise. I think it's all true. I didn't connect all of these pieces myself (for example, it didn't occur to me that Mephisto saved Prava, when she should have obviously died, and I did suspect that Inarius may have been released from his prison, not escaped, but the details were just killing me to figure them out), but now it all makes sense. From the hints found in D2R, it is obvious that Lucion will be brought back, but where, how, by whom, and why remain a mystery. It could very well be Mephisto who brings him back, as Lucion remained loyal to his father, unlike our rebellious mother, haha. It just rises tensions, especially while the idiots at Blizzard still want us to think of Lilith as bad, which is completely WRONG! I only now am so eager to see what happens in the expansions, and Rhykker believes it'll be TWO years before we get the first one... Ahh... For the end, you might want to know this, unless you already do: check the Tormented Ruins dungeon - the same one from the Prologue, only renamed from "Icehowl Ruins" - located just a bit to the north of Nevesk, the very starting ground in Diablo IV campaign. Find the Burned Parchment tome on Skeletal remains somewhere in the dungeon and LISTEN CAREFULLY TO WHAT IT SAYS!! I believe it's Rathma speaking, and he adds a few more juicy details about the prophecy apart from those parts we already know. YOU -- WILL -- BE -- SHOCKED. Cheers, and good job with this video! 😉
@@NyxVellum, you're welcome. Thank you for the video, and for the improvements! The bad subtitles turned me off before, but seeing the improvement, I had to say something. And be sure to check what I mentioned - that dungeon. Mother Lilith will come back, and we'll have to work together with her if we want to save Sanctuary, which, I believe, we do. 😇
I think you're very wrong on the prophecy. We saw it play out on screen. The only thing you're not connecting is the fact that Inarius hated humanity as much any demon. He told us in not so many words that humans only exist to fight in a war against the two H's. We also saw the piercing of his heart(and lilith's in several philosophically/metaphorically ways, eg, her love and her son).
One thing a lot of the comment section is missing is that the Wanderer got infected by Lilith's petals from the very first town they end up in. They HAVE to do whatever it takes to kill Lilith or they get turned into one of her brainwashed followers, no ifs or buts about it. The whole game they're following Lilith's trail, they see the trail of dead bodies she leaves behind her, so even if that wasn't the case or her arguments made sense, Lilith herself made sure that joining her was never an option.
I love a lot of the theory crafting here, and comparing Mephisto to Tzeentch was pretty apt (Hi, also big 40K nerd here lol). The part about Lucion was a bit of a reach I think, albeit a great one. Admittedly I only think so because Lucion was spoken into non-existence. Compare that to Lilith who was simply banished to a nether realm. That said, I don't think it's beyond Mephisto's power to recreate, rather than resurrect, Lucion. Possibly even with memories intact, who knows.
The line about Neyrelle changing plans with the soulstone in the interests of Mephisto is probably wrong. Lorath says that it was too soon for the corruption to affect her; her letter outlines it all, too, really, and she never had any intention of taking it back to Lorath. She was acting out of free will and what she thought best.
i think that picture at the end of the credits (blew my mind btw) is pretty compelling about Lucion as a major figure in the next expansion, and yes I believe Mephisto planned all of this the moment he sees you in that cave.
The end thing that lilik says made me think that in killing her you screwed everyone because she was the only one who could have saved you from what's coming. And at the end it would not surprise me if LA fisto manages to manipulate the one wholding the soul Stone.
when i played second time campaing i was looking into this too, not so much as you, but i had a feeling too about Mephisto had master plan from begining. He was always there. Looking forward when blizz will continue in story with new expansions
I mean it seemed pretty clear to me, especially at the end where he was just SoOoOo against the plan of action that would obviously benefit him the most. Like, "oh, no, please don't do that -evil grin-"
SHIT man, you make a compelling argument. I knew Meph's involvement was suspect, and chastised the Wanderer for even humoring him. I cheered when Neyrelle was like "you trusted a PRIME EVIL????" and the Wanderer was like "no, i don't trust my own judgment but i trust yours." But then Meph's response to being imprisoned...sounded subtly fucking TRIUMPHANT???? and i was left feeling anxious like wtf did we just do. I killed Lilith with great trepidation. Seeing Neyrelle with Meph in the epilogue made my heart drop into my ass. WE GOT FUCKIN PLAYED! Meph's voice actor is the platinum standard of acting for real.
What do you think happen between asteroth and Lilith?? I still don’t know what Lilith want out of asteroth. Also I don’t understand if Elias is influenced by Mephisto? Also how did Elias concluded that Lilith is the answer I don’t get it
Our characters Ignorance doomed sanctuary. The lord of hatred manipulated us into taking out lilith. And then got a free ride out of town in the solestone Knowing he will be able to escape so guarante that in the next Game. The prime evil's got what they've been wanting since the creation of Sanctuary. Im pissed that we could not choose our path at the end
Question: it is said that some demons cannot be killed, like Mephisto, you can only slow them down by trapping them in a soul stone. Then Lilith is not truly dead, is she?
What you are missing is Neyrelle character from the start. I think she may have been involved with Mephisto from the start. It was her idea to capture him in the stone and it was done out of no where and at a time you couldn’t really discuss it. Then showing Mephisto opening a portal for her at the end, vanishing, and not coming back probably means she and him are in it together. Another aspect is It will be interesting if your main character turns out to be half demon half human and rival to the nephalim from the third one.
It would be cool if, Mephisto would pop up from time to time in game, in dungeons for example, just to tease you with riddled messages, trying to manipulate you even further. Nice video.
I was calling it when I finished the campaign with my friends. I didn't remember all of these details, and even didn't notice some of them, but I was very annoyed at the fact neyrelle ran off with a prime evil in her back pocket. There was absolutely no way Mephisto wouldn't have physically protested being trapped in the soul stone in some way, so what does that leave? He planned it.
Lucion will never return. He was deleted from existence in the book. It's not the same as being killed in the diablo universe. That being said I agree with everything else you said. I was literally screaming at the screen when Neryelle plunged the soulstone into the orb. When I found out she had left with the soulstone, I knew it was over for her. The soulstone is a burden no mortal has ever survived.
Gonna be a hell of an expansion when it comes out. About half way through the game I started believing Mephisto was pulling the strings with the main story. Imagine him freeing Baal and Diablo. However, your character never believes he is actually helping. Never once was our character like “oh ok thanks man for helping me you are actually a good guy” and I believe he even said that our character and him will do battle at some point.
Not only does it make perfect sense, it also opens the door for any upcoming expansion. One things I might disagree with is that Mephisto is unlikely to resurrect Lucion, Mephisto has a much bigger puppet that is much more useful: His name is the name of the game: Diablo.
I wanted to support Lilith actually because she makes a compelling point and feels like while she’s definitely using us and everyone else she does care about humanity surviving the eternal conflict. She seems to be the only person who actually cares about humanity as a whole, and her story is hard not to feel bad for when her first born was murdered by his father and many of her other children killed. You can kinda get why she’s so upset and why even if she had a “good” plan originally it was corrupted by the many times she was betrayed.
"Angels" , a section of them tried to end humanity. Demons definitely want us to be converted to lesser ones or burn us down. Inarius and his kind dont give a fuck abt us. Lilith sees herself as only protector against prime evils, if she is more mellow and open hearted humanity would definitely would have joined her. I mean, we really don't have a fucking choice: high heavens don't give a fuck, burning hell wants the sanctuary to burn. We killed the creators of this world .
also astaroth causually coming to sanctuary and making a mess of scosglen in the "days of ash". while he's supposed to be guarding the cathedral and likely the only one outside of mephisto to be capable of granting someone access to the cathedral. he seems like the perfect bait to lure out the remaining horadrim & soulstones. and set up the next phase in his plan.
Of course. The same way like Diablo possesing Leoric son used Marius in D2. The same way Diablo & Adria used Leah and nephalem to get all prime essences. The devil usually uses someone for his/her goals. That is like 101 in any story.
Well this isn't too different to how Mephisto has always worked, and how his warring is described in the Angel-Demon wars. To be fair, Mephisto likely captured inarius the first time and let lilith and him escape the moment he started blabbing about the worldstone. Remember Inarius says demons don't usually take angels prison--- which is TRUE, when you play D3 there are no Angel prisoners, Inarius was specifically preyed on to find out where the worldstone was to end the eternal conflict. When Diablo lost the direct duel with Imperius, and had been fighting for ages on end at the fortress both sides were starting to suffer 'attrition' and Mephisto likely a leader knew they required another way. He 'allowed' his daughter to see Inarius, to free him and to leave and create Sanctuary knowing his daughter will always be a spawn of HIM and she will always give into some manner of violence or hate. Lilith struck first slaying/'destroying' every other angel and demon on Sanctuary that could've been of use to the mortals out of hate and fear. Baal's plan was that the creations on Sanctuary were stronger than angels and Demons and can easily be corrupted into demonic -esque beings to destroy the angels... which is true though likely Baals plan would've misfired and the Demonesque beings would've probably turned on Demonkind after. This is why Mephisto doesn't really help Baal because baal's plan will destroy everything. Diablo realized Baal's plan in d2 as well and had been planning to use a human host since literally D1, when he had the dark wanderer impregnate the Witch of tristram and become his follower.From then on the Great evil all have been using humanity or planning to use humanity to win the great game. And to be fair some angels interfered but that was mainly Tyreal-- the aspect of Justice, who was evening the table as they breached their truce.
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The ending for the game got me really heated when I saw how Lorath and the hero just decide let Neyrelle walk off with the soulstone. Lorath saying “We’ll just have to wait and see what happens”, made it worse. If anyone should know how dangerous a single person with a prime evil trapped in a soulstone could be, it’d be Lorath. If Neyrelle ends up being a meat puppet for Mephisto and everyone else dies because of it, I say it’s well deserved.
i was furious, the cliffanger doesnt make any sense knowing all the history indeed, especially leaving Mephisto with a young girl which is unexperienced.
Well it’s not exactly that easy when it’s just you and one person it’s not like we are gonna take a ride we barely got threw the damn sand..
The reason why Lorath recommended to "wait and see" is because Neyrelle gave no hint whatsoever where she was going nor where she was, so the player and Lorath literally need to wait for a lead to pop up. There's actually a postgame chapter of the Book of Lorath audio lore series where Lorath's patience somewhat pays off as Neyrelle stops by at Kurast and Mephisto's influence is so strong there that chaos just erupts at the presence of his soulstone, giving Lorath a lead as he now knows where to start looking as he immediately begins his pursuit with this first lead to follow since word of this reaches him and he sets off to investigate.
Basically, you can't chase something if it has no lead to chase after. Lorath is also aware that there is no possible way that Neyrelle could hide it for long anyways without something happening and word of that something spreading, which is exactly what happens.
I thought the same and it would be so obvious that I really hope they have some ace up on their sleeve. Though it’s difficult to come up with a good plot twist that is also convincing
@@joshuakim5240what is this audio series you are talking about? I’m still waiting for my copy of the book of lorath to be delivered, is there an audio version?
I already said it, but i will say it again. He wont be so smart when i recreate one man one jar with the soul stone he's in.
That sounds like a really crappy time
That's how they held him in Diablo 2 and bam, he still convinced Marius to free him.
@@chrislyngar9081that wasn’t Mephisto, it was his brother Baal.
In Diablo 2 prime evil possessions
Diablo -> Prince Aiden (warrior from diablo 1)
Baal -> Tal Rasha
Mephisto -> Sankekur
@Jagarus Ah right. Point stands though, prime evils are more dangerous than that.
@@chrislyngar9081 yep not debating that at all. So far how D4 has been playing out I think Mephisto has been preparing the player’s character for possession. He’s kept you on a particular path yet “blessed” the character twice.
It was incredibly frustrating for me that the wanderer was so dismissive of Lilith's arguments, which I thought were well reasoned. But, thinking about how Mephistos hatred of Lilith could have influenced the wanderers perception is an interesting idea which explains their attitude.
Ouuuh, that's an interesting take, thanks for sharing!
And at the end of the day Lilith would've stabbed the wanderer in the back the same as Mephisto would've lesson of the day never trust a prime evil under any circumstance cause they always have an ulterior motive to use you and then screw you over later.
@@Horde334 but she is sooooo hot and seductive in sooooo many ways man, dont break my dreams of humanities suggarmommy :(
joke xd
Trusting a Demon from the Burning Hells is dangerous. Mephisto may be the greater threat but...Lilith still wasn't our friend either, no matter how much "Mother of Sanctuary" propaganda she gives us. She sums it up
"Let the weak fend for themselves" As she lets a human get eaten up live by two wolves.
@@ChrisBear1989 true
Neyrelle is also motivated by hatred and loss. When her mother died, remember she said to your character "iam trying not to hate you". She is redirected that Hatred to Lilith.
Was she talking to the player character or her mother?
@@thebrute0747 I thought the mother on the first playthrough, but on another I thought the PC.
"You were protecting me, I am trying not to hate you" (iirc)
But remember, only the Player knows about the interactions between the mother and Lilith (Where mom says stuff like "I taught her to survive" "she's strong" etc.), Neyrelle doesn't.
I think it's the player because of this, but I also don' think it matters. The seed of hatred was already sowed.
that was at the very beginning of the game... by the end of the campaign she absolutely was NOT concerned with that and definitely didn't hold any animosity toward the player character. You're off base.
@@thebrute0747 she was definitely talking to the player... but Neyrelle is still not motivated by hatred. the only way you could think that is if you stopped playing at act 1.
@@squirts1 Did you even read the comment you're replying to or did you stop reading at act 1? First, they said she redirected that hatred towards Lilith, meaning she DIDNT hate the player by the end, if anyone is "off base" it's you. Second, she doesnt need to be 100% motivated by hatred, she just needs to feel some of it for Mephisto to latch onto and manipulate her. And judging by Vessel of Hatred trailer, Mephisto found what he was looking for. Him taking the form of Neyrelle's mother is like putting salt on a wound to stir up that hatred and take further control of her, hence her being grotesquely bound while Mephisto says "you hold the stone, you CONTROL nothing".
It was on the nose that we were manipulated by Mephesto the whole game. What bothered me is how oblivious the main character was to anything happening, they was just an NPC that followed every order given to them. They should have gave us the choice to side with either or neither.
That is the traditional role of a Diablo MC, they "stay a while and listen" then they slaughter demons or whatever else.
The main character isn’t oblivious, as the dangers of Mephisto’s manipulation are referenced a few times. It’s more of a situation where Lilith is a nuke that is going to blow in 5 seconds, versus Mephisto being a nuke that’s going to blow in a few days. You have to defuse one that’s about to blow and let the other tick away because the first one is literally about to hit zero. You deal with it, then worry about the other. It’s supposed to be a bad decision in a sea of worse decisions.
Not oblivious. Every scenario we were in was either stay in “that” dimension or return but with “help”. Literally what other choice can you do? Delete your character? Stay in the dimension forever? Compare it to Diablo 2 where Cain is trapped in Tristam.
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It's coz MC is secretly a demon loving furry and couldn't resist that voice ya know. Love makes people blind 😂
During the entire campaign me & my friend wanted to join up with lilith because it seemed like we were doing exactly what mephisto wanted
Mephisto was really calm about being trapped in a soulstone considering that he had been trying to regenerate his body for over 50 years
Join up with Lilith? Did we play the same game dude? Innocent people were getting torn apart and eaten alive by her will.
@@elidnis9811 Why not? it makes for a better story, especially when you consider shes the lesser of two evils and theres direct evidence to point to her actually caring for the nephalem, ultimately though she needed inarius to bring balance back. Its just unfortunate because of the heavens distrust of the nephalem, where as she did want to protect them. After all it makes no sense as to why she killed both angel and demon alike that was aware of their creation of Sanctuary. She may be a demon but she is the mother of sanctuary, and without her there arent many people left on either side that want humanity to survive.
@@elidnis9811 think because she was trying to end the eternal battle between heaven and hell. Rather than heaven and hell using Sanctuary as a battle field she wanted to take his power and destroy both heaven and hell. Not saying it’s the best answer but eternal conflict with countless lives being lost between it isn’t much better
@@DasInf13 Throughout the entirety of the story, Lilith makes it very clear that she is manipulating everyone she comes into contact with. Even when she is confronted with Rathma's death, she lets the mask slip by saying "It was stolen from me", like he was a tool for her "perfect world" than her own son. Any time she shows any emotion, it is used to push her agenda forward.
When she tries to recruit you, she throws all of her allies under the bus, sweet talking you while simultaneously bashing Ellias, and even Rathma himself, just to try to tickle your ego enough to soothe you into her command. Her "wanting the best for Sanctuary" was just an excuse to genocide angels and demons, then rule over what's leftover. Let's not forget that the entire time she was confessing love to Inarius when they were creating Sanctuary, it was verified that she faked all of it. Not a single thing that comes out of that demoness is genuine, except the selfish desire to hurt and torture to satiate her own nature; hatred.
I also noticed some of the things you said in the video. When I finished the campaign, I was left with the feeling that Mephisto is the real villain and Lilith was just what led to him coming back. I'm pretty sure the expansions will have us fight him or his son.
Kill em all baby!
I cant wait to rip that stone out that little girls head and turn mephisto from world ending threat to loot farm.
We will be fighting all the prime evils I think in expansion
@@420Crushwe definatly will.
They will, but know that Lilith is neither bad nor a villain, whatever some idiots might be saying.
@@420Crush, we will, and Lucion too, just not sure when exactly.
Honestly, I think Neyrelle only lost an arm so that when she comes back into the story, in some demon form, she's easier to identify.
Nah she a strong queen type, she can handle bad boy Mephisto
@@mcmarkmarkson7115 I hope she can but Mephisto is the big bad manipulator, I'd be surprised if she doesn't get corrupted.
@@silith7027 Just joking because of the woke shit in the game. Obviously everyone and their mother knows its a bad fucking idea to let a handicapped little female be in the company of one of the god damn prime evils of hell
Not even the strongest heroes could handle them. Not a single one.
But yea sure some one handed girl that red a few lines out of a horadrim book that one time will do it...
@@silith7027HAHHAAHHAHAHA
@@silith7027 She was looking tired by that last scene of her. There's no doubt that the next time that we see her it will be with a soulstone stuck in her forehead. Or Arm stump.
Unless....the tales of Lucian are just tales and his body is buried somewhere in Sanctuary. Maybe Mephisto wants to resurrect through Lucian, not rez him.
Lilith has a lot in common with Handsome Jack from Borderlands games. They both had good intentions, to save the "galaxy", but the methods they used were not among the most "heroic" I would say. They both believe in necessary evil.
Interesting comparison! Thanks for sharing.
if only Lilith had her own Butt Stallion, she would've reached Mephisto faster
I mean Hitler also had good intentions if we go by that logic. Every great political massmurderer had his own "good" intentions from Mao to Stalin over Pol Pot. You can no judge something by intentions, you judge as the Bible says "Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them".
@@ungeimpfterrusslandtroll7155 The road/way to Hell is paved with Good Intentions.
@@adakahless Exactly what i meant, thanks.
What really hit me was the hatred in Lilith's voice when it comes to Rathma. Mephisto set up Inarius perfectly to even enrage the Daughter of Hatred. At some points in the story i wished we had a choice to team up with Lilith. Who despite beeing a demon and likes to motivate a sinfull/animalistic life wanted to escape the eternal conflict.
Also the hatred and desperation in Nyrelle about her mother are great puzzle. Only thing i can't understand: sure we as the hero got Liliths blood but that shouldn't open us to Mephisto. Also Lorath should know how dangerous a soulstone with a prime evil in Sanctuary could be.
Also let's not forget our nephalem in D4 is still developing and facing Lilith in hell was a big threat already. Getting Mephisto out of the cathedral so we only face Lilith and grow as a nephalem could not only be Mephistos but our best choice too.
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Your theories make sense. So far, Mephisto is the only Prime who hasn’t had a game/expansion where he is the main threat. I believe that Neyrelle knew the story of Mephisto corrupting the Zakarum, and so she decided to leave to try to hide the soul stone, but I think she will be corrupted along the way.
I really do like the thought of Lucion making an appearance. Would be a neat little twist.
Yeah, I was projecting a little with Lucion but I want him to come back.
I dont think Mephisto will be the main threat in D4 either. He'll be the next expansion boss, but Blizzard promised more expansions in the future, so we will likely get Diablo as one of the final baddies. If anything, to at least satisfy the people who keep complaining that a game called Diablo 4 doesn't have Diablo in it.
I disagree on One thing: why Lucion, when he can just try to free his brothers? They have always been well aligned with his plans all along, and relished on the oportunity to spread terror and destruction at will. I think it does more sense than Lucion, despite his importance for the cult of the Triune. After all, why speak to the priest, when you can speak directly to (the) God(s) you're worshiping?
This is pretty much how I read the situation, having finally beaten the campaign last night. I was a little bummed that our hero didn't respond to Lilith or Mephisto at any point by saying "screw both you guys, Imma kill you both cuz neither of you are good for humanity." Or at least I would have hoped for dialog that went a little deeper, pressing Lilith especially on her methods and motivations. And then Mephisto is like "oh, no, don't put the soulstone into me!" while leaning forward suggestively. A little heavy-handed, but I think that was more intentional for us the audience to see the manipulation happening and being helpless to intervene on our character's behalf. Overall, I'm much happier with the writing in this game than I was with D3 and it looks like they have a solid plan for how this story will unfold.
Good points. Thanks for sharing!
I agree, I feel like the foundation they've laid is way more solid than D3. I'm really looking forward to how it unravels through seasons and eventually an expansion.
well .. Lilith said she wants to end the war once and for all, she had the tools but only you stood in her way and you said no, you will die here and mephisto will live and keeps terrorizing Sanctuary.
I really wish the cliffhanger wasn't the end of the story, lilith was a stepping stone, a side chick. But going against Mephisto would make it worth the struggle. :3
Makes sense to me. The second I found out who that wolf was and where Lilith was going with as far as her plans I started to suspect heavily that Mephisto was the one pulling the strings. “Ooohhhh noooo….please wanderer….don’t kill my daughter that’s trying to get rid of me and conceal me within that stone that will keep me confined away from her….what ever shall I dooooooo???”
Oh no but he wanted you to kill his daughter …otherwise she would’ve absorbed his essence and his plan would be lost.
@@celiohelder1 exactly. That was me being overly sarcastic as if it wasn’t the other way lol.
@@jmkos86 after I had sent the comment I read it again and saw your sarcasm haha you are absolutely right!
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Great points to touch on. Throughout the campaign i always felt like i was playing into the hands of mephisto. From inarius’s rather ambiguous escape from hell to prava’s curious survival from hell, from horadrim wanna be girl’s interactions with the souls stone to our lack of sense of accomplishment after defeating lilith. We are always desperate to do something but what should we do for the greater good is a question left unanswered. Which is a great design considering you are but a mortal going against prime evils.
I mean, it becomes pretty obvious when Mephistop casually opens a portal for Neyrelle and she goes through it.
Blood Mommy was the heroine we didn't deserve, and our wanderer was a pawn in his own story.
Words so wise... ☺
Blood mommy 😂 got me wheezing with that one
@@McJizzleBerries, very funny, boy! 😈
This a copy paste of my comment on another video but this is how I interpret the whole prophecy (at least the parts that aren’t obvious) and it really shows Mephisto was behind all of the events.
“I saw my corpse, and from my mouth crawled Hatred,”
I think this might be referring to the prophecy itself being inspired by Mephisto, hatred’s words crawling out of Rathma’s mouth.
This fits neatly with how in control Mephisto is of every event in the story (likely even being the one to let Inarius escape hell so the rest of it happens as planned).
“A father burned his children on a pyre”
Referring to Inarius.
“and a mother molded a new age from the ashes,
I saw the weak made strong,
a pack of lambs feasting on wolves,”
Referring to Lilith and the results of her actions on sanctuary.
“Tears of blood rained on a desert jewel,”
Event in Caldeum.
“and the way to Hell was torn asunder”
Lilith opening the gate to hell.
“Then came a spear of light, piercing Hatred's heart,”
This could either be referring to Inarius’ hateful heart being pierced by his own spear of light or to Mephisto being pierced by the soul stone.
“And he who was bound in chains was set free."
I believe this part hasn’t occurred yet and that it is referring to Mephisto escaping his imprisonment in the soulstone on sanctuary (which is inevitable considering he knows how to corrupt soul stones).
On a side note, Mephisto might have actually sowed the seeds of doubt into Elias about the horadrim (like he does with us and likely Neyrelle) to set the whole plot with Lilith in motion, which is very realistic seeing as the prime evils can glimpse into the future (See Adria taunting us about Diablo’s release at our hands).
I think the "Spear that Pierced Hatred's Heart" alludes to Inarius and his forces breaching Mephisto's realm of Hatred
Awesome breakdown. I've never been into game lore until now. Can't wait to see how it unfolds!
I'm glad you enjoyed it!
Can't wait for 2 years for the expansion
Mephisto was going to win no matter what happened. If Inarius killed Lilith, then Mephisto wins. If you used the soulstone to imprison Lilith, Mephisto wins. If you used the soulstone to capture Mephisto, Mephisto wins. All he needed was a pebble to start the avalanche. You. Someone smart enough to follow along, but not bright enough to know when to quit, or how to see the bigger picture. The best plans don't include failure.
Yes to all, especially the part about certain someone NOT SEEING THE BIGGER PICTURE!
yeah Mephisto is badass
Mephisto was also in the midst of regenerating his form, it may speed up the process substantially for him to be able to tap into worldshard energy. He may have her hunting them for him right now for all we know.
Probably.
What I dont understand is we never see baal or diablo soulstone shattered. We did mephistos ourself.
So either the soulstones dont work for destroying a soul and just releases it, or they did some kind of rework of the lore.
I think the code name for Diablo 4 is saying even more, as well. In Norse mythology, not only was Fenrir a wolf, paralleling with Mephisto’s avatar, but he was specifically a captured wolf. He was bound in “chains” (more like a magical ribbon, but you get the idea) and when he escaped, just as Mephisto has now, it signaled that the end of the world was coming. In Norse mythology, this was Ragnarok, in Diablo, it could be any chain of events and could definitely include Mephisto’s son. I love your content, please keep going!
This has to be the most worst kept secret of all time! Anyone who didn't see this coming needs to reference Diablo 1 through 3. It's what the primes do.
Very true, at the same time, I think a lot of people are new to the Diablo universe so it makes sense to talk about it here.
This was exactly my thought when I finished the campaign. I didn't pick up on all of those details, but I noticed enough to make it very plausible. Plus I know how Mephisto operates. It may turn out not to be the case, but it seems very likely that Mephisto planned the whole thing.
I will say it again, you maybe not even notice... but man 🤗 the low volume yet misterios music makes the already talent you have of telling stories more perfect. Amazing videos as per since first one.
This is what I have been saying for a long time. Thanks for making a comprehensive video. Cannot wait for the expansion, Diablo 4 - Lord of Hatred. A nice nod/homage to D2s Lord of Destruction expansion.
That would be fun!
@@NyxVellum Do you think the High Heavens will join the fray soon? I hope for expansion 2 or 3 the Diamond Gates open once again after being closed and the Heavenly Host is launching it's attack on Sanctuary and Imperius being the leader and commander of the Angels armies have been training his army and bolstering them to prepare for this battle.
Title could be Valor's Wrath of the expansion.
Absolutely. Tyrael left the Horadric Vault in a hurry so I feel like he will me a big comeback.
ye we were "used" 100% but since u cant make any decisions in the game anyway, its whatever.
U just there to kill stuff before u receive the gods message "ur char has been disconnected and banned for 10 mins, try login later".
Lmao love that you mentioned the similarity Tzeench and Mephisto have, imo they present the same character in these fantasy worlds. Pretty sure I mentioned these similarities in an earlier video
By the end of the video, I was going “Tee hee hee, just as planned!”
I noticed most of the things you mentioned, though there were a few I missed, like the howling when attuning the Soulstone; and I largely agree with your conclusions.
The one exception is Lucion. As I understand it, Uldyssian's power was, at that point, scary strong. Demons normally return to the Burning Hells to reform, like Mephisto's, but Lucion simply ceased to be, and given the Worldstone is gone, he can't do what Lilith did and ramp up humanity's power.
I think that was more likely showing a Mephisto back to its glory, in its own body. I wouldn't be surprised if the whole of Diablo 4 was centrered around him and his machinations, and honestly, he deserves it, 10/10 best Prime.
Yes! I’ve Been waiting for this.
I feel like we are actually not done yet with HELPING Mephisto. He is looking to return as is Diablo and Baal, however I think this time he rather not be absorbed into Diablo to become Tathamet again and will want to screw over his brothers. He will probably cook up a scheme to ask the player to fight against Diablo and Baal with some kind of offer we can't refuse. Neyrelle will be a useful tool to him and he will leverage her in such a deal. He might even want to appear to Sanctuary as a benevolent dictator, a protector of sorts to Sanctuary in contrast to Lilith who wants the strong to kill the weak.
I think the Mephisto puppeteer angle definitely makes for good seasonal content/arcs so let's hope this is correct. Also the opening poem is 100% about Mephisto.
Yep, I thought so as well.
I think neyrelle was influenced by meph around the time she first separated from you and started studying by herself in that secret horadrim base.
Interesting!
I like the idea of first Expansion for D4 being "Lord of Hatred"
I think they will drag that part out a little. DLC 2 or 3 maybe.
Coming back to this 1 year later and the first DLC being "Vessel of Hatred" makes this a good insight om your part.
It’s hard to feel “tricked” or manipulated in a game that gives you no options. Diablo games have never been about choices or open ended stories. You go to the place and smash mobs until candy is dispensed and you go to it again. Mephisto didn’t trick anyone, the game just didn’t give you an option to resist whatever it was he wanted you to do, at all.
small thing i noticed about neyrelle and her open ended future is when she was leaving on the boat, it cut to one angle where the sky was cut in two by the boat. one side of the sky was red, the other was classic light, signifying that we may not know what will happen to her in the future and that it might go either way.
I been looking for this!! And I you are a player that likes to linger around details! We the player "are fooled by Mefisto"🗣️
Could you please do these for the other stories from the Diablo games??! Loved this!
Do you mean Diablo 1, 2 and 3?
@@NyxVellumand immortal
I completely agree with you. As I was finishing the campaign, I kept getting the feeling that we where being manipulated.
One of us, one of us, one of us!
Hard to say if Mephisto orchestrated the entire thing or simply took advantage of the situation unfolding before him. Though I'd say it couldn't be more clear that Mephisto is the only victor throughout the events of the campaign. And to trade a lesser evil for a greater one.... I couldn't help but tell my own character how stupid he was being throughout a lot of the campaign. Great video!
Thank you! It's cooler if he orchestrated everything so I'm going with that haha.
I’m so happy I played campaign without looking up anything about Diablo. I just finished it now I’m looking up Diablo 4 content. Such a good campaign.
Mephisto put this plan in motion all the way back when he had him in chains. He crafted Inarius into a vessel of hatred way back to achieve what had happened in D4. The question is, how does his demise in D2 fit into all of this. Or was D2 a setback to this masterplan unfolding in D4.
I suspect Mephisto had this as a back up plan. From what had happen in D2. It was more or less going as planned till some heroes got lucky, or at least, we might be lead to believe so. Considering the corruption of the Paladin Hero and the temple/crypt that Mephisto's meat puppet was put into. One of the sidequests in D4.
I'm in both agreement with you that somehow, someway that Mephisto's death in D2 was also planned; at least to the extent of spreading his evil tainting hatred through Sanctuary. Though I am also on the idea that D2 was the initial plan, and D4 was the back up plan.
Didn’t we trap him in the soulstone and destroy both Diablo’s and his soulstones? How is he still alive?
oh no... lucion (mephistos son) in the body of neyrelle... i can imagine what topic is on the horizon...
The only thing that has been bothering me with neyrelle is that while the party was advancing in mephisto part of hell everyone was being influenced by hatred and neyrelle seemed to be able to resist this influence rather easily.
Everyone is arguing while she is the voice of reason and it just seemed weird to me. If she can resist mephisto influence like this maybe she is choosing her own path and want to do something with the stone?
It’s ment to look that way
its cuz she a strong independent wahmen
She wasn't the voice of reason, that's the twist. Her entire motivation is hatred against Lilith for causing her mother's death, so she was the most susceptible to Mephisto the entire time. The only difference is that she was the only one in the group who could bottle up that hatred and hide it (it's even foreshadowed extremely early with her saying that she is "trying very hard not to hate you" after her mom's boss fight). The real voices of reason were Lorath and Donan, who Mephisto goes out of his way to sabotage and separate from the player. He could have just made a portal to his cathedral literally at the first second we enter Hell, but chose to do so only when Donan is killed and Lorath is out of commission and left with Neyrelle whose saying what he wants to happen. We enter Mephisto's realm: he could have called off a good 90% of the demons present with only Lilith's few followers but he threw them at the Wanderer's group so that Donan and Lorath could be disposed of so that he could enact his soulstone plan.
@@joshuakim5240 thats actually a good point thank you for the reply
She is also the one who can use magic to remove the hellfire…
In the Tormented Ruins, which is what the dungeon from the prologue becomes, you can find a burnt parchment with, presumably, an extension to Rathma's prophecy:
I saw a serpent coiling in the fires of the Eternal Conflict...saw my corpse, and from my mouth crawled Hatred...the weak made strong...
Tears of blood rained on a desert jewel...Hell was torn asunder...a spear of light, piercing Hatred’s heart...a wise man with seven arms...a fog of lies...plagues of every name...
I saw a child give birth to a mother, as Hatred’s sun set and that of Terror and Destruction dawned.
This definitely hints at Mephisto, eventually, somehow, paving the way to a resurrected Diablo and Baal. Not to mention the business with the child and the mother, possibly being related to Neyrelle and Vhenard.
"the child gave birth to Mother" - that's Elias bringing Lilith back to Sanctuary... I guess..
i agree with everything but still on the fence about the spear of light and release thing. Im wondering if the spear of light will be Tyrael showing up to skewer mephisto or lucion. But might be a long shot
That wouldn't surprise me!
DLC 1: Mephisto doesn’t corrupt but deceives Neyrelle and in a roundabout way she manages to also bring back Diablo and Baal - and both continents of Sanctuary are accessible.
Since Donan dies, this would be a good place for Tyriel to come out of hiding and help Lorath and Wanderer bail Neyrelle’s dumb ass, but Lorath dies and goes to the tree after the Church of Light kills him for being a heretic.
DLC 2: the Church of Light still worshipping Inarius (an Angel of Light like Lucifer) and falsely being deceived by Prava that he made it into Heaven, and will return to save Sanctuary from the Primes while committing religious genocide - as he reforms in Hell - as a fallen Angel, Inarius manages to become more twisted and evil than the three primes put together (being Hatred, Terror, and Destruction combined) amassing an army of corrupt demonic crusaders to destroy humanity and conquer heaven to fulfill the “prophecy” - and serves as the final antagonist of Diablo IV.
That’s the theory.
Damn this is beautiful
@@Kronen9700 - I just did the capstone Church of Light dungeon. Why is the “curator” within the Church of Light, a demonic entity that raises undead? That doesn’t sound very holy or light like.
That may be a hint that the Church of Light is actually being influenced by an evil presence. Could be Mephisto, but most likely its the unredeemed Inarius.
That second part will be cool inaruis as an demon or something like that fallen but wasn’t he already filled with hatred before he died. I hope they do that but doubt it unfortunately games called Diablo not inarius
@@LEGOAgenda - yeah, the game is called Diablo. They will have to find a way to shoehorn him in, considering that they are fighting against “Hatred” with little mention of “Terror” and “Destruction” - although the Cathedral of Light has no issue spreading terror across Sanctuary.
Somehow, the Cathedral of Light should be used indirectly as a means to bring back Diablo, considering how tone deaf they are to their own BS.
But if you played all the games: then you know the REAL FINAL BOSS, is Baal (even on normal difficulty, he’s a pain in the ass.) I hope they get Baal in there somehow.
Mephisto's return is pretty much confirmed by Lillith during her death scene when she essentially says the price to pay is one we can't afford accompanied by flashes of Mephisto.
Rathma's prophecy was about Mephisto, but not in the way people are thinking. A spear of light piercing Hatred's heart is Inarius fighting Lilith (Mephisto's heart). The eventuality of him ending up in the stone was just that. Mephisto has been in charge and running the show since Diablo 2.
The prophecy never said the spear of light killing Hatred after all. Though another way to look at it is the soulstone is the spear of light. And again, nowhere in the prophecy ever said anything about vanquishing Hatred, only the spear piercing Hatred's heart.
Video: Mephisto used you
Me (after Vessel of Hated trailer): No Shit
Despite that he saved us more then once I knew he was using us but I mean really what choice did we have?! Lilith would of Damned us all!
But if he gets out of that stone, not only will he bring back Lucion, but Diablo and Baal as well
mephisto is the oldest evil in the whole series. of course hes up to no good. also meph is the lord of hatred, and inarius had so much hate in him. i saw inarius as a pawn from the getgo.
I think Lilith too was a pawn just as the player character (the wanderer) and Inarius. The entire conflict so far in Diablo 4 was just a catalyst for Mephisto to escape into Sanctuary. He already broke free of his own soul stone in Diablo 2 act 3 to unleash his brothers, so being trapped in a soul stone again seems rather trivial for Mephy.
Now he is essentially set free in Sanctuary thanks to both Lilith and the wanderer. The entire story so far was part of Meph's plan.
Something you left out, that I think could affect your thought that Mephisto corrupting Inarius, which I can't quote it 100% or the specific scene in the story, but in one of our interactions with Mephisto, he states something to the effect "The hatred in Inarius was already within his heart, I merely cultivated it." Now, do we trust Mephisto with this statement is the question.
I remember this! I'm sure Inarius was full of hate to start but I think Mephisto added a healthy amount of hate in there himself.
Another great video. Definitely felt similar in the end.
Thank you very much!
there's a severe lack of Diablo in this game of Diablo 4
This😂
Astraroth doubts Lilith's ability to beat Mephisto. And when you reach him, he is near helpless. Probably feigning weakness.
Likely, as a means of baiting her.
Mephisto has the means to bring you to him, so he could easily have told Astaroth to let her through and to bait her into acting now, so that she can fight you, likely to lose, since she's injured and you are "blessed" several times now.
It is my opinion that Mephisto is the real tour de force behind the entire Diablo franchise. All the events that have taken place in the past, the events of Diablo I, II, III, and IV, are due to Mephisto's masterful manipulations.
Can't wait to kick his butt
@@NyxVellum Mephisto likes to do things from behind the scenes. So we won't get to fight him he's not a fool like Baal and Diablo
@@beastmotoznot if we leave him no choice but to fight us directly
@@beastmotozConsidering we fought and slew him in Diablo 2, I doubt that we'll be unable to fight him.
It wasn't in the initial plan to lose to you there, there just happened to be contingency plans incase they were defeated. Besides which, the main goal was to buy time to corrupt the Worldstone, which he did successfully, even at the cost of being forced to reform later or be trapped within the Black Soulstone.
It's entirely possible that not only can we kill Mephisto again in Diablo 4's expansion, but that he will have contingency plans for if you do, if it's not the main plan again.
From the start I knew something smelled bad. This theory you've presented makes in context.
What's cool about the idea of Mephisto regaining control and having more freedom in Sanctuary is that you can already see it happening in gameplay. World tier 3, only available after defeating Lilith and confronting your hatred in the Capstone dungeon in Kyovashad (also having put Mephisto in the soulstone), the Helltide event also is available to player, signaling his influence already taking place in Sanctuaru. Also, the player characters' hatred grows even more as they go on to complete the capstone dungeon for tier 4, confronting Elias once again, but only after he is already dead. I can guess that their hatred has grown so much due to Mephistos meddling that the player begins to imagine more enemies stronger in much more abundance.
I had come to the same conclusion as you after completing the campaign and watching the final cutscene. I think you're absolutely spot on on the fact that Mephisto really wanted you to kill Lilith and wanted himself to be trapped in the souldstone.
Lucion was said to be close to Lilith. Maybe her death is another reason Lucion will return and driven by hatred for those that killed Lilith Lucion will serve as a great pawn for his father
Very good video my man!
There are already two expansions confirmed so my guess is the first one will be all about mephisto and the second will either be something to do with another prime evil perhaps diablo or maybe something to do with imperius wanting to finish what malthael started
Yeah, that's what I am thinking. Though, the first expansion might be all about the Prime Evils with Mephisto taking center stage, and since this is all about traveling to the West, I might guess that the journey might end at Khanduras (the very area we always started on the first games). The second expansion, my guess, might be about the High Heavens, the Angiris Council, and maybe about Imperius becoming the Aspect of Wrath. There's also Mother Prava's arc since she declared the Wanderer/s and the Horadrim as Public Enemy No. 1.
Great video man. Nice work.
Much appreciated, thanks for hanging out with me.
The tzeech connection? French kiss
I got the feeling that the entire time lorath's head was giving the narration hanging from the tree of whispers. Maybe in the last diablo 4 expansion it will pan out and show just his head talking while tied on to a branch.
I love this!!
man, i just finished the story and cant believe how incredible it was! also, yes i would let Mephisto use me cause through the entire game i thought the wolf was badass even knowing it was him lol - also, why didnt we ever see Inarius’s face?
You liked the story? what was your favorite part?
I think he's taking you west so he can use the soulstone on the Nephalem from D3 to revive himself to be even greater than Diablo.
Another way Dul'Mephistos Lord of Hatred manipulated you that is not mentionned, is by exploiting your nostalgia to make you keep playing this heinous game not worth your money. Don't worry it happened to me too, you are not alone!
good Video. I have been stewing on this topic myself and there was something that Mephisto doesn't appear to be in control of and which is a wrench in this idea. The manifestation of Lilith. there is currently no connection between Lilith's return to Sanctuary and Mephisto, and her return and her actions in no way seem to be controlled, beneficial or predictably solved. Mephisto begins his manipulation of the hero, right where he needs the hero to be in order to push them towards facing Lilith. However, the hero is by no means a predictable answer to Lilith, and their deeds could be remembered in the halls of valor, at any moment. this unpredictability continues, as the presence of Nayrelle could not have been predicted by Mephisto, and the decision of what to do at the last moment was Nayrelle's, someone whom Mephisto only got a few words with at the last moment. so this allows us to draw some confusing conclusions. If Mephisto released Inarius, he did so before Lilith came to sanctuary and when he had no idea she would be there, so why did he release Inarius? If Mephisto caused Liliths release also in some unseen way, It seems like a very big risk to assume he would release an enemy, and than improvise manipulation over random people around her as she came for him and succeed in that manipulation and that the people he manipulated would themselves live and succeed. If my points are accurate, Than i think that Inarius was meant to be a pawn of Mephisto in some scheme, but Lilith was a surprise and a problem that Mephisto tried to solve. I think Mephisto won in defeating Lilith, but lost by being put in a soulstone because staying in hell was always preferable. Mephsito seems to be able to function with or without the soulstone, but the soulstone scenario could cause him to end up respawning in hell from scratch...again. His new options of courrpting from the soulstone may have some short term potential benefits so long as he has the opportunity of Nayrelle, but i have a feeling Nayrelle wont be another Leah, as that way to redundant. My guess is Nayrelle may be a future reincarnation of Oldician. Mephisto will repeat Oldician's story by helping Nayrelle release her Nephelim powers, and he will hope to consume her afterwords, but will fail since Nayrelle will have our hero to help.
You have another subscriber! Enjoying your videos, as well as your personal thoughts. Great content!
Awesome. Thank you for the kind words and for hanging out with me.
Ok, this one really deserves praise. I think it's all true. I didn't connect all of these pieces myself (for example, it didn't occur to me that Mephisto saved Prava, when she should have obviously died, and I did suspect that Inarius may have been released from his prison, not escaped, but the details were just killing me to figure them out), but now it all makes sense.
From the hints found in D2R, it is obvious that Lucion will be brought back, but where, how, by whom, and why remain a mystery. It could very well be Mephisto who brings him back, as Lucion remained loyal to his father, unlike our rebellious mother, haha.
It just rises tensions, especially while the idiots at Blizzard still want us to think of Lilith as bad, which is completely WRONG!
I only now am so eager to see what happens in the expansions, and Rhykker believes it'll be TWO years before we get the first one... Ahh...
For the end, you might want to know this, unless you already do: check the Tormented Ruins dungeon - the same one from the Prologue, only renamed from "Icehowl Ruins" - located just a bit to the north of Nevesk, the very starting ground in Diablo IV campaign. Find the Burned Parchment tome on Skeletal remains somewhere in the dungeon and LISTEN CAREFULLY TO WHAT IT SAYS!! I believe it's Rathma speaking, and he adds a few more juicy details about the prophecy apart from those parts we already know. YOU -- WILL -- BE -- SHOCKED.
Cheers, and good job with this video! 😉
Thanks for the awesome write up and thanks for the kind words! :)
@@NyxVellum, you're welcome. Thank you for the video, and for the improvements! The bad subtitles turned me off before, but seeing the improvement, I had to say something. And be sure to check what I mentioned - that dungeon. Mother Lilith will come back, and we'll have to work together with her if we want to save Sanctuary, which, I believe, we do. 😇
I think you're very wrong on the prophecy. We saw it play out on screen. The only thing you're not connecting is the fact that Inarius hated humanity as much any demon. He told us in not so many words that humans only exist to fight in a war against the two H's. We also saw the piercing of his heart(and lilith's in several philosophically/metaphorically ways, eg, her love and her son).
That's also a possibility. Thanks for sharing!
One thing a lot of the comment section is missing is that the Wanderer got infected by Lilith's petals from the very first town they end up in. They HAVE to do whatever it takes to kill Lilith or they get turned into one of her brainwashed followers, no ifs or buts about it. The whole game they're following Lilith's trail, they see the trail of dead bodies she leaves behind her, so even if that wasn't the case or her arguments made sense, Lilith herself made sure that joining her was never an option.
That's a cool take!
I love a lot of the theory crafting here, and comparing Mephisto to Tzeentch was pretty apt (Hi, also big 40K nerd here lol). The part about Lucion was a bit of a reach I think, albeit a great one. Admittedly I only think so because Lucion was spoken into non-existence. Compare that to Lilith who was simply banished to a nether realm. That said, I don't think it's beyond Mephisto's power to recreate, rather than resurrect, Lucion. Possibly even with memories intact, who knows.
I agree! Lucion is the most speculative one.
I was so confused at the end of D4, all of this makes it make sense. If this isn't the deeper plot of D4 I have no idea what it is lol. Great video
The line about Neyrelle changing plans with the soulstone in the interests of Mephisto is probably wrong. Lorath says that it was too soon for the corruption to affect her; her letter outlines it all, too, really, and she never had any intention of taking it back to Lorath. She was acting out of free will and what she thought best.
i think that picture at the end of the credits (blew my mind btw) is pretty compelling about Lucion as a major figure in the next expansion, and yes I believe Mephisto planned all of this the moment he sees you in that cave.
The end thing that lilik says made me think that in killing her you screwed everyone because she was the only one who could have saved you from what's coming. And at the end it would not surprise me if LA fisto manages to manipulate the one wholding the soul Stone.
when i played second time campaing i was looking into this too, not so much as you, but i had a feeling too about Mephisto had master plan from begining. He was always there. Looking forward when blizz will continue in story with new expansions
I mean it seemed pretty clear to me, especially at the end where he was just SoOoOo against the plan of action that would obviously benefit him the most. Like, "oh, no, please don't do that -evil grin-"
SHIT man, you make a compelling argument. I knew Meph's involvement was suspect, and chastised the Wanderer for even humoring him. I cheered when Neyrelle was like "you trusted a PRIME EVIL????" and the Wanderer was like "no, i don't trust my own judgment but i trust yours." But then Meph's response to being imprisoned...sounded subtly fucking TRIUMPHANT???? and i was left feeling anxious like wtf did we just do. I killed Lilith with great trepidation. Seeing Neyrelle with Meph in the epilogue made my heart drop into my ass. WE GOT FUCKIN PLAYED! Meph's voice actor is the platinum standard of acting for real.
Thanks for the write-up and the lovely words. :)
What do you think happen between asteroth and Lilith?? I still don’t know what Lilith want out of asteroth. Also I don’t understand if Elias is influenced by Mephisto? Also how did Elias concluded that Lilith is the answer I don’t get it
I have a video about Astaroth, you might find your answer there. I'm not sure if Elias was manipulated by Mephisto, maybe!
Our characters Ignorance doomed sanctuary. The lord of hatred manipulated us into taking out lilith. And then got a free ride out of town in the solestone Knowing he will be able to escape so guarante that in the next Game. The prime evil's got what they've been wanting since the creation of Sanctuary. Im pissed that we could not choose our path at the end
I LOVED this video - amazing job!! where is that Aiden render from?! Absolutely Stunning!
Question: it is said that some demons cannot be killed, like Mephisto, you can only slow them down by trapping them in a soul stone. Then Lilith is not truly dead, is she?
What you are missing is Neyrelle character from the start. I think she may have been involved with Mephisto from the start. It was her idea to capture him in the stone and it was done out of no where and at a time you couldn’t really discuss it. Then showing Mephisto opening a portal for her at the end, vanishing, and not coming back probably means she and him are in it together.
Another aspect is It will be interesting if your main character turns out to be half demon half human and rival to the nephalim from the third one.
It would be cool if, Mephisto would pop up from time to time in game, in dungeons for example, just to tease you with riddled messages, trying to manipulate you even further. Nice video.
I was calling it when I finished the campaign with my friends. I didn't remember all of these details, and even didn't notice some of them, but I was very annoyed at the fact neyrelle ran off with a prime evil in her back pocket. There was absolutely no way Mephisto wouldn't have physically protested being trapped in the soul stone in some way, so what does that leave? He planned it.
Yeah of course.
Lucion will never return. He was deleted from existence in the book. It's not the same as being killed in the diablo universe.
That being said I agree with everything else you said. I was literally screaming at the screen when Neryelle plunged the soulstone into the orb. When I found out she had left with the soulstone, I knew it was over for her. The soulstone is a burden no mortal has ever survived.
That's a good point about Lucion but I still hope he comes back.
I agree with what you added after that. Thanks for watching my video! 😊
Gonna be a hell of an expansion when it comes out. About half way through the game I started believing Mephisto was pulling the strings with the main story. Imagine him freeing Baal and Diablo. However, your character never believes he is actually helping. Never once was our character like “oh ok thanks man for helping me you are actually a good guy” and I believe he even said that our character and him will do battle at some point.
Not only does it make perfect sense, it also opens the door for any upcoming expansion. One things I might disagree with is that Mephisto is unlikely to resurrect Lucion, Mephisto has a much bigger puppet that is much more useful: His name is the name of the game: Diablo.
I wanted to support Lilith actually because she makes a compelling point and feels like while she’s definitely using us and everyone else she does care about humanity surviving the eternal conflict. She seems to be the only person who actually cares about humanity as a whole, and her story is hard not to feel bad for when her first born was murdered by his father and many of her other children killed. You can kinda get why she’s so upset and why even if she had a “good” plan originally it was corrupted by the many times she was betrayed.
Her indoctrination worked on you haha
I kind of wish our character had told her at the end that if she had come to us as an ally instead of a "mother" we might have considered helping her.
"Angels" , a section of them tried to end humanity. Demons definitely want us to be converted to lesser ones or burn us down. Inarius and his kind dont give a fuck abt us. Lilith sees herself as only protector against prime evils, if she is more mellow and open hearted humanity would definitely would have joined her.
I mean, we really don't have a fucking choice: high heavens don't give a fuck, burning hell wants the sanctuary to burn. We killed the creators of this world .
also astaroth causually coming to sanctuary and making a mess of scosglen in the "days of ash". while he's supposed to be guarding the cathedral and likely the only one outside of mephisto to be capable of granting someone access to the cathedral.
he seems like the perfect bait to lure out the remaining horadrim & soulstones. and set up the next phase in his plan.
That's a good point!
I said this same thing when he said "You have sealed your fate." He planned this. He wanted in the soulstone.
Of course. The same way like Diablo possesing Leoric son used Marius in D2. The same way Diablo & Adria used Leah and nephalem to get all prime essences.
The devil usually uses someone for his/her goals. That is like 101 in any story.
Well this isn't too different to how Mephisto has always worked, and how his warring is described in the Angel-Demon wars. To be fair, Mephisto likely captured inarius the first time and let lilith and him escape the moment he started blabbing about the worldstone. Remember Inarius says demons don't usually take angels prison--- which is TRUE, when you play D3 there are no Angel prisoners, Inarius was specifically preyed on to find out where the worldstone was to end the eternal conflict.
When Diablo lost the direct duel with Imperius, and had been fighting for ages on end at the fortress both sides were starting to suffer 'attrition' and Mephisto likely a leader knew they required another way. He 'allowed' his daughter to see Inarius, to free him and to leave and create Sanctuary knowing his daughter will always be a spawn of HIM and she will always give into some manner of violence or hate. Lilith struck first slaying/'destroying' every other angel and demon on Sanctuary that could've been of use to the mortals out of hate and fear.
Baal's plan was that the creations on Sanctuary were stronger than angels and Demons and can easily be corrupted into demonic -esque beings to destroy the angels... which is true though likely Baals plan would've misfired and the Demonesque beings would've probably turned on Demonkind after. This is why Mephisto doesn't really help Baal because baal's plan will destroy everything.
Diablo realized Baal's plan in d2 as well and had been planning to use a human host since literally D1, when he had the dark wanderer impregnate the Witch of tristram and become his follower.From then on the Great evil all have been using humanity or planning to use humanity to win the great game. And to be fair some angels interfered but that was mainly Tyreal-- the aspect of Justice, who was evening the table as they breached their truce.
Do we know the lasting implications of our character having the blessing of mephisto? Possibly we gave up more than we thought.