Can you make a video comparing this to EFR 6258? Looking at the correct application for a Honda D series 1.6 at 10.5:1 CR. Used for circuit racing using a range of rpm from 4-4.5k to 7.2-7.5. Whp target is 350-380. Can change final drive from 4.25 to 4.5 if need be. One of ny concerns with the EFR is spool on the I-type turbine that would ve required due to packaging constraints. Thanks for all the knowledge shared on your channel.
Thanks for the comment - thats a high CR, and high engine RPM - the smaller turbos will have to run slightly higher boost in the higher engine RPM range to hold the torque curve up - possibly 0.2bar extra when you see the torque starting to fall .... or replace cam with more aggressive profiles/overlap -- otherwise i would opt for the 7163 to be honest
I'm looking for a turbo for my 1.8T 20v engine. I've currently got a Chinese GTX2867 with a AR63. It spools a little too late for my liking, around 4300-4500. Would this be a good upgrade? I don't really want to lose the power on top because I drag race it and don't really drop below 4k rpm. Thanks in advanced.
Yes ofcourse we do - shot an email off to info@turbodirect.co.za and ill make sure you get the pricing you need. I think you will be surprised at the pricing we can offer you on all products.
Price for the GTX2867R Garrett replacement Turbo AR64 Volute size, will it be Ideal for a SR20VET engine. When will you create a G30-770 type Garrett replacement Turbo?
The G30-770 is grossly overrated, i discussed and showed this in the previous videos. The TurboDirect S.A bespoke range of turbochargers will be released by the end of the year and will have features and designs that outperform Garrett in reliability, flow, and spool aswell as have a wider range of AR housings. see here:- ruclips.net/video/KDDx2Gdkr-M/видео.html
Depending on turbo part#, this is more than likely a Borg, BUT could also be a Mitsubishi or IHI -- you will need to check what the part# is before we can confirm an upgrade path.
Hello,what's the meaning of saying"we have forged the compressor before maching the wheel on a 5 axis CNN mill"? Do you mean your compressor wheel is forged to form,instead of MFS?
Hi Alex, thanks for the question, no the wheel is NOT MFS -- it is an aluminium billet which is forged, and then milled afterwards - Forging just like forging pistons.... this creates a tighter grain structure and hardens the material. See an article from Borg Warner on this topic here:- www.borgwarner.com/aftermarket/news/2020/11/05/tech-tip-forged-milled-wheel-technology
@@TurboDirectSA Thank you Chris! You are knowlegble. One more asking:difering from forging,the MFS means machining the compressor wheel directly from a round aluminum alloy rod?
@@人间指南-z8j Yes correct Alex - machining from a solid piece of extruded aluminium. Forged undergoes the same machining process, BUT the material specification is different, AND the process of forging occurs before machining starts.
@@cadendobson1924 I would opt for this setup here:- turbodirect.co.za/store/index.php/shop/turbochargers/g3077r-forged-detail It will spool up real fast and make more than the claimed power at low boost settings.
No the turbine housing AR is too small - you will see all the power around 4000RPM and drastically falling away thereafter. We matched the AR64 turbine housing to this turbo for the smaller engine setups. For the larger CID platforms, i would use something like this :- turbodirect.co.za/store/index.php/shop/turbochargers/gtx3076r-forged-detail We have combined the GTX turbine and a revised version of the G-series compressor together to build a hybrid ball bearing setup which will improve spool over the GTX, and produce a true 550-600WHP This uses a combination of housings and AR volutes, which is a beautiful result for the engines looking for street-able response and mid frame power.
Spool will be very fast on the 2867R due to the tiny AR.49 housing - but the Borg will outflow this turbo on top - if we change the housing to the AR64, the 2867 will increase flow substantially ontop but at that point the Borg will spool slightly faster.
Either billet or drop forged it's still MFS end result , machined from solid cause last time I did forging tools the end result of any product was solid, I did drop forging for 15 years.
No sir - MFS is an extruded aluminium, and its NOT forged. Thats like saying cast pistons are the same as forged because they both made from aluminium. They are totally different compositions, hardness and in a totally different metallurgical condition with totally different grain structures.
@@TurboDirectSA .let me explain buddy, milled from solid is just that. A forging normally starts off as a billet then heated to around 480 deg C or more then pressed to form a shape, it's still a solid sweet heart. A better name would be MFF milled from forging. Your only trying to play on words for what is the same maching process and a forging is normally heat treated after to alingin the grain structure. Another reason to do a forging is less material wastage over a extrusion. And casting is derived from a melting process then machined....it's then a solid, but if your version excits you knock ya self out 😆
@@stevemurch7648 Nothing to explain sir - we know precisely how our products are made according to our designs, and processes. Your heat treatment temperature is incorrect for our specific range compressor wheels. There are hundreds of different aluminium compositions and each has a totally different heat treatment process, tempering and annealing, aswell as normalising process and range of temperatures associated thereto. Billet simply means solid - so how was the billet created? Was it cast, cold processed, extruded, forged? What material is the billet? What condition is it in? Has it been hipped and hopped (google it)? Whats the grain boundary condition/size? There is ALOT more to this than just taking a piece of aluminium and heating it up and putting it into a forging, applying a release agent and letting the hammer down. I quite like the name BorgWarner uses "FMW Forged milled wheel" which you can read up on here:- www.borgwarner.com/aftermarket/news/2020/11/05/tech-tip-forged-milled-wheel-technology Our version most certainly excites us aswell as our customers, which is ultimately what excites us even more. Thanks for the info anyways.
@@stevemurch7648 they would do cold forging which for you may be unthinkable, but they are so many ways and variations of forging techniques that you cannot imagine. Like they are so many different details in casting or welding processes that would make the difference at the end. Cold forging in most cases is more difficult that hot forging, heat a component up to a 480 C and then forge it is the easy rout to do things.
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Can you make a video comparing this to EFR 6258? Looking at the correct application for a Honda D series 1.6 at 10.5:1 CR. Used for circuit racing using a range of rpm from 4-4.5k to 7.2-7.5. Whp target is 350-380. Can change final drive from 4.25 to 4.5 if need be. One of ny concerns with the EFR is spool on the I-type turbine that would ve required due to packaging constraints.
Thanks for all the knowledge shared on your channel.
Thanks for the comment - thats a high CR, and high engine RPM - the smaller turbos will have to run slightly higher boost in the higher engine RPM range to hold the torque curve up - possibly 0.2bar extra when you see the torque starting to fall .... or replace cam with more aggressive profiles/overlap -- otherwise i would opt for the 7163 to be honest
I'm looking for a turbo for my 1.8T 20v engine. I've currently got a Chinese GTX2867 with a AR63. It spools a little too late for my liking, around 4300-4500. Would this be a good upgrade? I don't really want to lose the power on top because I drag race it and don't really drop below 4k rpm. Thanks in advanced.
Yes it would - it would outspool the knock off unit without a doubt, just opt for the AR64 housing for the top end power delivery.
What are differences between Garrett GTX 2860R GEN II and Garrett GTX 2867R GEN II ?.
The GTX2860 has a 60mm exducer compressor and the 2867 has a 6mm compressor exducer
Will this turbo work with a 2015 ford fiesta st 1.6l stock motor?
It will yes, but there is a revised version of this turbo, see here:- store.turbodirect.co.za/index.php/shop/turbochargers/g28r-550-forged-detail
Do you ship to US and what's the cost before shipping? May be genuinely interested for a future project.
Yes ofcourse we do - shot an email off to info@turbodirect.co.za and ill make sure you get the pricing you need. I think you will be surprised at the pricing we can offer you on all products.
Is there a link / price where these can be purchased
www.turbodirect.co.za/store
Price for the GTX2867R Garrett replacement Turbo AR64 Volute size, will it be Ideal for a SR20VET engine. When will you create a G30-770 type Garrett replacement Turbo?
The G30-770 is grossly overrated, i discussed and showed this in the previous videos. The TurboDirect S.A bespoke range of turbochargers will be released by the end of the year and will have features and designs that outperform Garrett in reliability, flow, and spool aswell as have a wider range of AR housings. see here:- ruclips.net/video/KDDx2Gdkr-M/видео.html
@@TurboDirectSA great cant wsit looking forward to future videos
How do I upgrade a35 amg turbo?
What turbo do they use in a35 AMG?
Depending on turbo part#, this is more than likely a Borg, BUT could also be a Mitsubishi or IHI -- you will need to check what the part# is before we can confirm an upgrade path.
Hello,what's the meaning of saying"we have forged the compressor before maching the wheel on a 5 axis CNN mill"?
Do you mean your compressor wheel is forged to form,instead of MFS?
Hi Alex, thanks for the question, no the wheel is NOT MFS -- it is an aluminium billet which is forged, and then milled afterwards - Forging just like forging pistons.... this creates a tighter grain structure and hardens the material. See an article from Borg Warner on this topic here:- www.borgwarner.com/aftermarket/news/2020/11/05/tech-tip-forged-milled-wheel-technology
@@TurboDirectSA Thank you Chris!
You are knowlegble.
One more asking:difering from forging,the MFS means machining the compressor wheel directly from a round aluminum alloy rod?
@@人间指南-z8j Yes correct Alex - machining from a solid piece of extruded aluminium. Forged undergoes the same machining process, BUT the material specification is different, AND the process of forging occurs before machining starts.
Which turbo it's this one? Thanks
GTX2867R - dual ball bearing
Hello 👋 what turbine would suitable for 4gr lexus is250 engine
Hey Caden, what HP target? What application is the vehicle used for?
It's a city vehicle daily driven I'm comfortable with 365hp - 400 plus room for improvement
@@cadendobson1924 I would opt for this setup here:- turbodirect.co.za/store/index.php/shop/turbochargers/g3077r-forged-detail
It will spool up real fast and make more than the claimed power at low boost settings.
Thanks much most appreciated it
@@cadendobson1924 Sure anytime.
Would these work for a twin setup on a 5.7L sbc. What is the price of these units?
No the turbine housing AR is too small - you will see all the power around 4000RPM and drastically falling away thereafter. We matched the AR64 turbine housing to this turbo for the smaller engine setups.
For the larger CID platforms, i would use something like this :- turbodirect.co.za/store/index.php/shop/turbochargers/gtx3076r-forged-detail
We have combined the GTX turbine and a revised version of the G-series compressor together to build a hybrid ball bearing setup which will improve spool over the GTX, and produce a true 550-600WHP This uses a combination of housings and AR volutes, which is a beautiful result for the engines looking for street-able response and mid frame power.
How does this say compare to an EFR 6758 or 6258 in terms of spoolup and response?
Spool will be very fast on the 2867R due to the tiny AR.49 housing - but the Borg will outflow this turbo on top - if we change the housing to the AR64, the 2867 will increase flow substantially ontop but at that point the Borg will spool slightly faster.
Either billet or drop forged it's still MFS end result , machined from solid cause last time I did forging tools the end result of any product was solid, I did drop forging for 15 years.
No sir - MFS is an extruded aluminium, and its NOT forged. Thats like saying cast pistons are the same as forged because they both made from aluminium. They are totally different compositions, hardness and in a totally different metallurgical condition with totally different grain structures.
@@TurboDirectSA .let me explain buddy, milled from solid is just that.
A forging normally starts off as a billet then heated to around 480 deg C or more then pressed to form a shape, it's still a solid sweet heart.
A better name would be MFF milled from forging.
Your only trying to play on words for what is the same maching process and a forging is normally heat treated after to alingin the grain structure.
Another reason to do a forging is less material wastage over a extrusion.
And casting is derived from a melting process then machined....it's then a solid, but if your version excits you knock ya self out 😆
@@stevemurch7648 Nothing to explain sir - we know precisely how our products are made according to our designs, and processes. Your heat treatment temperature is incorrect for our specific range compressor wheels. There are hundreds of different aluminium compositions and each has a totally different heat treatment process, tempering and annealing, aswell as normalising process and range of temperatures associated thereto.
Billet simply means solid - so how was the billet created? Was it cast, cold processed, extruded, forged? What material is the billet? What condition is it in? Has it been hipped and hopped (google it)? Whats the grain boundary condition/size?
There is ALOT more to this than just taking a piece of aluminium and heating it up and putting it into a forging, applying a release agent and letting the hammer down.
I quite like the name BorgWarner uses "FMW Forged milled wheel" which you can read up on here:- www.borgwarner.com/aftermarket/news/2020/11/05/tech-tip-forged-milled-wheel-technology
Our version most certainly excites us aswell as our customers, which is ultimately what excites us even more. Thanks for the info anyways.
@@stevemurch7648 they would do cold forging which for you may be unthinkable, but they are so many ways and variations of forging techniques that you cannot imagine. Like they are so many different details in casting or welding processes that would make the difference at the end. Cold forging in most cases is more difficult that hot forging, heat a component up to a 480 C and then forge it is the easy rout to do things.
@@aftastosk6016 and that defines MFS how, forging is still a solid is it not, and the temp given was a example, please read again