LIKE if you're excited by EVs , SHARE if you think they should be more affordable Will Robert order a Mokka? Find out in this episode. The Vauxhall Mokka-e (badged as Opel in Europe) is a solid and stable addition to the EV family, with a decent range and incredible 100kW rapid charge capabilities. It looks good, it's nice to drive and it's hard to find anything not to like, well apart from one thing. As with other EVs that have a cheaper petrol/diesel counterpart it's hard not to question why the electric version can't be more affordable. Could this be Robert's favourite compact SUV that he's driven? And more importantly, will he be able to order a drive-through mokka in a left-hand drive car? Watch and find out. Fully Charged is 100% independent thanks to RUclips Memberships and Patreons. Without you this channel wouldn’t be possible! If you’d like to help support the Fully Charged channel and its mission: Become a Patreon: www.patreon.com/fullychargedshow Become a RUclips member: use JOIN button above Subscribe to Fully Charged & the Fully Charged PLUS channels Buy the Fully Charged Guide to Electric Vehicles & Clean Energy : buff.ly/2GybGt0 Browse the Fully Charged store: shop.fullycharged.show/ Visit our LIVE exhibitions in the UK, USA & Europe: FullyCharged.Show/events Subscribe for episode alerts and the Fully Charged newsletter: fullycharged.show/zap-sign-up/ Visit: FullyCharged.Show Find us on Twitter: twitter.com/fullychargedshw Follow us on Instagram: instagram.com/fullychargedshow Timestamps: 0:00 Introduction 1:30 Have you subscribed? 1:57 Thumbs up 2:14 Start me up 2:27 Opel/Vauxhall 2:54 Hit the road 3:26 Range 4:26 Confidently mature 4:50 Battery & motor 5:13 Actual knobs 5:42 Flawless cruising 6:08 Quirky satnav 6:26 All good 7:02 Driving modes 7:52 Lane keeping 8:54 Time for a coffee? 9:05 Comfy in the back 9:42 Window issues 10:01 Mokka-e please 10:51 Big old boot 11:47 Charging 12:55 Bladder range 14:05 100 kW charging 14:48 Discrete discharge 15:57 Price Mokka-e? 16:53 Bells & whistles 17:13 Features list 19:14 Favourite compact SUV? 19:46 Why so expensive? 20:53 Support & Join
Robert i unsubscribed because you was getting political. This programme is about electric car's and vehicles and the future. Not that you don't like a president (ex) lol
I disagree with the bladder issue, yes you may need to stop for a few minutes to stretch and eat a sandwich, but I can't stand the fact that I have a car that does less km that my current car which is 900km easy. I'll wait for an electric car with solid state batteries or better range. However I have to say that I like how they made it, apart from the boot release which is not in an ideal place.
@@chrislecouteur2360 I'm sad to hear that obviously, unfortunately, and this is not my choice, the change from burning fossil fuels to renewables and electric vehicles has become 'political.' This show is definitely about the future, it openly and enthusiastically promotes renewable energy and sustainable technology. That again is seen by some as being overtly 'political.' And the particular president (ex) you referred to passed so many laws and did everything he could to deny there was a problem and hold back back transition, that any criticism of that short sighted and dangerous stupidity is also clearly political. I just want to say that the president (ex) is the most destructive political figure seen in America in my lifetime. He is very very political and I unsubscribed, unfollowed and now, thankfully, so has America.
@@chrislecouteur2360 If a manufacturer does something stupid like leaving out safety equipment then you can publicise it and sue them for criminal negligence and the resultant loss of life, and I don't think anyone would be surprised. I don't think an ex president should be immune from punishment from what appears to be criminal negligence while in office. Guilt should be determined by the courts.
@@carlodanese9120 ok, but are you prepared to wait while the asthmatics get their breath back? As to driving 900 km without stopping for seven minutes, why would you want to? I assume you are younger than 30 and want to live past 50.
Opel sell RHD cars in ROI...I was looking forward to the Opel / Chevy Bolt being released here,but that never happened..At least we can get an EV with that badge now!
I completely agree, the price markup is just ridiculous. I would love to buy this car, it's a lovely colour (for which you have to pay extra btw but I digress) in this metallic green and it's a good size for a small family but 10k extra on top of the base price for the dirty model makes no sense and really makes potential buyers think twice about committing to a purchase.
@@philtucker1224 Which means you can drive the petrol one for 5 years if you only charge at home before you break even, which is the major issue. Like Robert said £5000 would be reasonable, but £10000 extra is stretching it.
Oil barons are shaking in their boots. The fossil fuel industry will collapse 90% in the next few decades. They're just grasping at straws, but good thing most of them are OLD and already have one foot out of REALITY's 🚪... [RUclips has a bot or paid TROLLs that DELETE factual comments]
@@favesongslist It's because today's drivers are more interested in playing with touchscreens and techie-toys than watching where they're going and driving bloody cars. Driving well demands enormous concentration. Try the Advanced Test, where you have to give a running commentary of your progress. It's absolutely exhausting, and that ought to be the MINIMUM level required for safe progress. But watching the road is boring. The rise of 'driver aids' and autonomous vehicle technology is a perfect excuse to pass the responsibility for collisions onto something else. "Not my fault. The car didn't see the cyclist. They ought to fit bikes with crash-avoidance systems..." They do. It's called a cyclist. Cars used to have 'drivers'; now they're just bored, dozy passengers swiping screens. More buttons and switches, please. Come on, boys: minds on the road and hands on your knobs. (Whoops...)
@@EleanorPeterson The user interface is upgradeable. The Model 3 recently had an update that moved the speedometer readout a bit farther from the driver to allow it to be seen better without moving your hand, IIRC.
And that right there is why Tesla continues to accelerate away from its competition. Knobs and switches cost money. A page on a touchscreen interface costs nothing and can be constantly improved *by gathering usage data*.
I have just bought one of these. And I can honestly say I am very impressed. It's so comfortable and smooth. Full of tech. I have driven a lot of vehicles.. And to be quite honest, this is probably my favourite. Now where's my keys?? I need a mocha in a mokka.
Good call!, It does have a nice stance. I had a few Mantas back in the eighties, Luxus and Rallys, they were fun to drive, and easy to work on. I'd like to see one of these in a single color, like the deep blue of the Mantas, or the GTs.
Greetings from Germany! Really nice review of the Mocca-e. Only sad thing is, that they can't satisfy the demand, at least here in Germany. A friend of mine ordered a Mocca-e in November last year and in December Opel cancelled his order, because there were too many orders already and it would be unlikely that he get this car in 2021 at all. I also agree on the high prices, but I think competition from China will force European manufacturers to drop prices in the next few years. By the way, your review of the Corsa-e last year contributed to my decision to buy one and I did not regret it. Keep up the good work.
Absolutely love Robert's reviews, I don't always like the cars he reviews but they are all fair, constructive and done in a straightforward way, keep them coming Robert, I'm looking forward to getting my Kona 64kwh in November.
You just need a button in a different place. Having it right at the bottom near the reg plate is the worst place to have it. Not only are you going to have dirty hands when it’s been raining but you also have to stoop to press it. They could easily have made it part of the badge at the back
My first car was a 1974 Opel Manta Rally which was the 70s version of this green - Signal Green they called it. I loved that little car. Even had the same black bonnet and roof. I hope someday PSA will bring Opel back to the States. I would buy one in an instant.
Another nice looking EV. It's going to be hard to find a replacement for our old Leaf. I have been driving 24kwh Leaf's for over 5 years now and 150ish miles is more than enough. I'm still waiting for Dacia Spring to hit UK market so helpfully other manufacturers will start to make 15k decent range EV's. Great review as always Rob and the team 👏👏
I liked your video very much, always with a sence of humor. I have ordered an Opel Mokka myself and after the government subsidy in Germany I pay about 9,000 EUR less and thus come to about the price of a patrol car. However, I would doubt that the price of the Mokka e could be much cheaper. The car batteries are still quite expensive. You can see that from the fact that Tesla, as a pure e-car manufacturer, has always had quite high prices compared to gasoline cars. If the batteries were much cheaper to produce, Tesla would have had an enormous price advantage, because they would not have to take into account that many gasoline engines would still have to be built.
You are without a doubt the most fun of all the car reviewers and I watch more for entertainment than anything else as I live in the States and will never buy any of the cars you review, thank you for always being informative and entertaining, I appreciate it greatly.
I would love to have 2 switches. After 5 years of owning golf, I still keep hitting back row window switches accidentaly. Dont remember when was the last time I needed to open second row windows from the drivers seat. So having them under extra button press is a win for me
Sometimes it goes the other way though. I just ordered a 36 grand EV on a 3 year lease, the cost is a little over £250 a month including servicing and vat and its really well equipped. My current car, a Seat Ateca Xcellence Petrol cost me £365 a month and was 30 grand new.
Hey I'm in Canada, those Heated mirrors are IMPORTANT! I imagine in Norway too. Looking forward to getting some of these EVs in Canada under the new Stellantis corp
Interesting point you make Robert about manufacturers deliberately inflating prices on EV’s to clear the backlog of their combustion powered models. And agree, the amount of engineering that goes into an EV is not on the same level as a traditional car. The problem is, many of us (myself included) are delaying the purchase of an EV until prices start to look sensible. I don’t understand why manufacturers expect their customers to invest in the future if the price points are not competitive with their combustion counterparts. All rather counter intuitive if you ask me. Great show though and love your enthusiasm. Highly infectious, in a good way... Pip Pip!
Thank you for this, I’ve just ordered the white with black roof and mirrors Mokka Ultimate Nav 1.2 petrol automatic, about 5/6 month wait for it to be built now. I loved the visibility you get and the up high feel, that makes you feel you’re in a much higher car, can’t wait! 👍🏻😊
I think when it gets to three years old and is cheaper it may be worth a punt if it is the kind of car that suits you. I notice year old Corsa E are now available just over £20k at a year old.
@@pt020 One year old battery is no problem. Look up some videos on battery degradation, it´s really not that bad apparently. Well, except for the first generation Leaf, which doesn´t have liquid cooled batteries.
@@robsmith1aEvery signle thing like laptops/phones etc after 4 years battery sucks a**. I doubt that they are so good that it will last longer then 8yrs. I have 2 cars, and love the electric solution esp simplicity of the construction. But one of my cars is 2002 V6 audi with LPG. I doubt that electric car can be still running on same batteries after 19 years. And i didnt have to invest more then 500$ in the engine to keep it running. Also it uses around 6$ per 100km. One huge disadvantage of electric is heating in winter.
@@3dvox712 It is fortunate that car battery packs are managed to ensure a much longer life than in a laptop or phone where they are destroyed pretty quickly by charging to full and then emptying them on a daily basis with no thermal management. Battery packs are falling in price rapidly and if a pack starts to degrade most are modular and only the offending module needs replacing. I also think than in ten years time there will be a lot of cheap third party battery upgrades available. I have a Mercedes SLK at present but for three years from 2017 I had a Renault Zoe and didn't notice any changes in the range of the car after that time (there would be some degradation but the software on the car would manage the buffer to hide that from me). Maintenance costs over the three years totalled less than one service for the Mercedes. My main dislike with EVs is lack or choice and the weight of the battery packs makes them less fun to drive. I am sure this will change over time.
You was so cheerful during this review it makes me smile :) Thank you for this review, I am wondering if Mokka should be my next car choice, so this video do helps a lot!
Agreed, or would at least give it consideration, were I in the market (which sadly, I'm not). Being a Vauxhall, they probably don't hold their residuals that well, so year-old models might go for a decent price. But I suppose someone needs to order them to begin with to make it to that section of the market.
** WARNING ** If you drive a teal-coloured electric Kona in England, don't be surprised if you're followed by a dodgy-looking RUclips presenter ;) Onto the pronunciations: You say it as mock-ah , even for the coffee drink. I've always heard it called moke-kah . Is it Oh-pell or Ope-ull over on your side of the pond? As for driving 2,3,4 hours at a time , I used to drive professionally , a break at 2 hours was welcome - 3 hours was doable - 4 hours was a relief (in more ways than one) Another great episode, can't wait for the next one!
There's one thing about pricing, not for now but in the future, rumors of battery shortages, I don't if that's just from manufacturing them fast enough, or because of material supply not fast enough, but if the latest PC Chips shortage has anything to go by, causing PC components and Console prices to inflate, this could happen to cars, especially when we're wanting them to be cheaper.
If you're coming from a Fiesta (and, presumably, liked it) then my recommendation would be to look at the Corsa e / e208 (pretty much the same car) and the Renault Zoe. The Zoe is a fantastic car, but it doesn't have rapid charging as standard which is completely irrelevant for some people (I rapid charged my Leaf less than ten times in five years, for example) and a deal breaker for others.
@@littlebluepanda394 I'd likely go for a used id3, but very tempted to stretch for a model 3 due to teslas keeping their value and batteries lasting so long. I have test driven the e208 and zoe, found the zoe was a bit better due to the e208 having such a tiny wheel and hard to get it into postion to see guages. Iplan to do lots of road trips when I get an ev to go explore places, driving without planning in a way, why I think my best bet will be going the extra mile for the tesla m3 LR
Actually, the best thing you can do [unless your fiesta is super old] is to keep your car for a bit longer. Additional bonus is that next year you will have more choice and who knows, maybe prices will come down too.
First suggestion, Tesla. If Tesla isn't your thing because you need android auto or something Tesla doesn't have that is a must have for you.. Then my next suggest is the ID3, ID4 if you need something bigger, Volvo XC40 recharge, or the Polestar 2 (The Polestar is a bit more expensive but I've heard wonderful things about it), and then at the highest end the Porsche Taycan.
Seen this in the flesh today looks very very good in that green interior looks nice I only looked through the window outside Vauxhall dealers too scared to go in!
Again, I always enjoy this channel and extra much this video as the owner of a VW ID.3, because it is always interesting to see how a similar car from a competitor performs!
Electric car buyers are currently classified as premium car buyers by automotive marketing departments. This is why the manufacturer's markup on electric cars is so large. This will only change when electric cars become dominant in the market.
Moka in a Mokka e, such a pun Mockery! That along with your vocal sound effects of vroom and woosh in other videos, make you a star ⭐️. You are so entertaining, real and fresh!
I've never been a big vauxhall fan, but the new designs with the black moustache face thing are a really nice departure from the bland. It has a slightly American 1970s feel (lots of recessed headlights in the grille looks).
Why do electric cars always have the charging cable under the boot floor . great when the boot is full of 'stuff' and it needs charging . someone clever needs to earn their wages .
in 3 years of driving an EV, it's never been a problem as either I charge at home therefore I have an empty boot or after I have emptied the boot of luggage when I reach my destination i.e. destination chargers. Charging on the road is done at rapids, so the lead is not required
@@johnhodgson9296 Two times with the same VW van was enough. Anyway, I never used the cables of my Leaf, the charger is always in the garage, so no issue.
It took me a moment to figure out where the sound was coming from, while I also was listening with headphones on and thought a heavy vehicle was driving outside. Took my headphone off and was silent, headphones on and there it was.
Absolutely correct Robert, this for me is my main reason for not changing to an EV yet! The EV manufacturers are bleeding every single penny out of the buyers when these vehicles more then likely cost significantly less to make when compared to ICE vehicles!
To be fair, they *do* cost more to make (for now), because of the global battery shortage... more factories are being built, but even they won't be enough for the growing demand... hence Robert saying that 3k or even 5k extra might be understandable... but 10k? that's just PSA trying to 'manage demand', and stop the sales of their ICE models tanking.
£10k more than the fossil fuel version. Thanks, but no thanks. I will wait for vehicle manufacturers to wake up and start selling these electric vehicles for the same price and the fossil fuel version. Like you say, there is no excuse for the £10k price hike. Most of the gadgets you don’t need. So that’s a excuse for the £10k price hike. So is the cost of the battery, so is the R&D..... ALL EXCUSES. Who in their right minds would buy the electric version that has half the range and a £10k price hike... Great video, great electric vehicle, I would buy one tomorrow and trade in my hybrid, but I will not be buying one till the price is the same if not lower than the fossil fuel version. I want a electric vehicle, but I’m not paying the average price hike of £10k on most electric vehicles, that have a fossil fuel version. These will only sell to the hard core first time electric vehicle pioneers. It’s such a shame, this would be a great mass market electric vehicle if it was the same price, if not lower than the fossil fuel version...
I agree and it’s ridiculous to charge 10k more. However, the running costs are massively cheaper. It would cost me to do 10,000 miles in a year, £100 electricity (1p a mile on octopus energy EV tariff). If that was petrol, at 35 mpg it’s about £1500. And no road tax. But we all know the real reason it cost 10k more, that’s because the manufacturers are not going to make as much money on servicing and things going wrong! In fact, the only thing to service on electric car, is a washer bottle top up. I know, I have a six year old Nissan Leaf. Stopped servicing it two years ago, utterly pointless.
@@HelpfulTimes If you're a low mileage driver like me (well under 4000 miles a year) the much lower running cost for EVs doesn't come CLOSE to offsetting the enormous price increase over an ICE car! I spend typically under £500 a year on fuel, my servicing costs are low and my road tax is £20! There's no WAY I can justify an EV til we get near price parity (threatened by afficionados for years - but really, nowhere in sight!!)
@@HelpfulTimes I agree with you as well that a Ev is cheaper to run. But it would still take you 8-9 years to make that difference back and why should you? But for a manufacturer to put on theses saving onto the price of a Ev in the first place is just wrong. There is no excuse for it. They can still make a profit from the sale of a Ev if it was the same price as the fossil fuel version. In fact the way the world is going. That’s what they will have to do if they want to sell a vehicle. The up take of evs, in a time of economic devastation is growing where as fossil fuel sales, are stalling. Even with a £10k price hike on EVs. Because it’s what people want a vehicle that is easy and cheap to maintain and run and far more reliable and less polluting. People like myself are waiting for the EVs to be at that price of the fossil fuel version. Then I will walk into a dealership and buy one. I also want bi directional charging so I can help run my home in winter. I have solar and a storage battery and a octopus energy tariff that I will be able to move to a agile tariff, when I have a Ev. Again bring the cost of living down and giving more economic value. After all a vehicle is sat 80% of its time on a driveway doing nothing. You might as well store cheap or free electric in the vehicle to use when energy prices are higher and even sell some of that energy back to the grid at a higher price than you paid for it. Again making owning a Ev a need. Rather than a expensive want. I have a hybrid I don’t pay road tax, I only fill up once a month I do around 440 miles on average for that tank of fuel and I’ve had 4 years free servicing and I only pay £179 at 2.9% apr and the first 42 months was at 0% at £199. So I have no Incentive to buy a electric vehicle until I can have bi directional charging as standard and at the same price of the fossil fuel version. Which I believe is still 3-5 years away.
I'm glad Robert brought up the issue of cost. Every time a new EV is realised it always around the £30k mark. I started to think some price fixing is going on again. One of the manufacturers is going to undercut at some point and then they'll become more affordable for all. I wonder who will be the one to take the plunge? Anyway, love this channel, keep up the great work!
When it comes to comparing the price, wouldn’t it be more accurate to compare the EV model to an ICE model that had all the same extras rather than the base model?
@@NickFoster yes that’s probably true, but in the interest of showing the EV in the best possible light it would still be better to compare it to an ICE model with the same extras.
Nick Foster i would guess they use the options to justify the high price of the battery. By making them standard you at least get a volume discount and lower production complexity as they all get those features.
Robert, you are awesome & so is the Opel/Vauxhall Mokka E. PSA group needs to work on that price then everything else is great. 👍🏻🇳🇿 Excited about the EV direction .
Blimey, that's .4 of a mile from where I live! I was completely unaware that it's there. Will have to walk up and ask them if I can have a test drive :)
1kW ≈ 1.341 bhp 👍. I agree, it's a lovely car for a horrendous price. I like the addition of an Acoustic Test (please consider keeping it for future episodes) - perhaps you could include it in the timestamps? Go steady guys ⚡
@@mralistair737 To keep your Lifetime Warranty cover valid, you need to take your vehicle to an authorised Vauxhall repairer every 12 months. ... So we may request details of your service history at any time during the warranty period.
@@whocares264 The servicing must be done by a VAT registered business, for the warranty to remain valid. This is why Main Dealers add on extras to the servicing routine such as breakdown cover or continued subscription to the car info systems.
Your discussion on the price difference e vs. ice is interesting. However, i cant help to think that the government incentives are what could be driving a significant part of the delta. If one was to have the gov incentive, how would that new price compare to the ice version? Here in Québec the rebate is $13k CAD (7.4k GBP) and i have a feeling this is not going unnoticed by car makers... Could they simply be pricing the subsidies into their prices, which is the goal of the subsidies in a way... thoughts?
No. This is £13,000 more than the petrol car. £10,000 after the grant is applied. Robert is right, these manufacturers know, if the delta was small loads of people would choose the EV. So they artificially restrict sales.
This got me thinking. I take it there are country specific ev incentives that must vary considerably. How much do those impact the ev vs ice price delta in each respective country? For example are car manufacturers simply keeping a 10k delta between the ev and ice with the incentive which would support Pauls comment and Robert's hypothesis. Or does the delta change based on incentives? Is there someone doing a BA course in marketing or economics that could take this on as a project? ;)
@@CarrionAix Some years ago, the Outlander PHEV was 6000€ more expansive in France compared to Germany. And you got 6000€ back from the state (if you conformed to all conditions, which wasn't always the case). What I understand even less is that some brands advertise with the incentive already subtracted, and some not.
Fell in love with those when I saw the shark like saloon version. Also saw an odd German film called Manta Manta, like a fast and furious film where.the body kits were made from plywood
@@style11guru they where made of ABS or steel. Plywood where not allowed to TÜV reasons of course. All parts of cars in Germany were tested by the TÜV (technical l verification association). In contrast to the cars in fast and the furious the cars in Manta Manta were really traffic-safe! That's a fact. But I really like this film too as I was a kid. It's a Kult-Film, as we say in Germany. Doesn't know it's also known in other regions. There are two films about the Opel Manta. Once "Manta Manta" and "Manta der Film" (Manta the Movie)
I have a Mokka E and love it. I had an electric MG and it suddenly ran backwards whilst driving uphill!!!! Plus had battery problems and AA said it wasn't fit for purpose. Agency and MG took no responsibility. So be warned don't have an MG electric.
So you need to compare it with a similarly equipped petrol model. What's the difference then? A quick look shows the Higher end petrol version at almost 24,000 and the Electric version at 27,000 at Aston Melton Mobray. Only 3000 difference
That’s the point. They don’t want to sell them, a dealer makes 50% of their profits from spares and repairs. With an ev that revenue is virtually gone. It’s a scandal
Yeah I agree or at least close to. You will save money on fuel, so if it was £5000 more you could easily justify it. But even that would still put some people off.
The price difference of base models does confuse. However, what I would really like to know is 'What is the price of the equivalent petrol model?' i.e. spec a petrol version with all the add ons that the electric version comes with. And that would provide us with a like for like comparison. Thanks for another great episode!
Don't know about the Mokka, however, for the Peugeot 2008 (same car underneath), in the cheapest trim (Allure Premium on both) petrol £21k, electric £30.7k including £3k grant. The petrol has 100 bhp, the electric 136 bhp (petrol with the 131 bhp engine is £23.8k). In the highest GT Premium trim, petrol (131 bhp engine is cheapest available) £28.2k, electric after grant £36.6k. So approx £8-9k differential when specced to the same level - I doubt the Mokka would be too different.
@Ross Bourne but it costs a few cents to include as an option. Can be sold for much more. Hyundai offers a dozen custom internal ambient sounds. IDK if you can load your own but people will figure that out in time
Can't wait for your review of Dacia Spring EV... That should be what you mention here - 3-4k more than basic petrol, has all the basics and just works. Not sure about the range, but we will see...
@@whocares264 if you listen to the video he says like for like base spec models are £30,000 for ev and £20,000 for petrol models ... That's £10,000 more for the electric so 50%... Or didn't you do maths?
@@michaelfilbee2239 you would need to to compare a top of the range automatic diesel to the mokka EV and the mokka EV gets a government grant ...you do the maths
@@whocares264 like for like is same as same dont matter wether £10 or £10,000 difference IT'S LIKE FOR LIKE. the base model is the base model whichever way you look at it......... plus why spend £30,000 on a car that only goes 200 ish miles when i spent £7,000 5yrs ago on a brand new car ( petrol) and goes 500 miles befor refueling.........?.??? Untill electric sort themselves out( which they will I'm sure) with basic cars like dacia/Renault they wont be getting me on board at all, most people don't need electric mirrors, seats, satnavs ipad play internet devices,,, most people just get in and drive........it will come I'm sure but for what your paying for, and don't say petrols cheap ( they have to find it, dig hole, extract, refine, transport, deliver, etc, the same as batteriesfor electric cars), theres only one moving part in the elecrtic motor.....hardly any servicing costs, no gears, so why cost 50% more? ......extortionate corporation thats why........petrol is dying but not till electric cars are cheaper than LIKE FOR LIKE petrol models.......
@@michaelfilbee2239 it's like for like ? they are different cars the ev is cheaper to run service is more reliable less depreciation no road tax cleaner quieter smother
Yep. I hate the shoe-vibe of modern cars. Ugly, ugly, ugly. Lumpy and stumpy with tiny side windows, looking like they're overweight and constipated, squatting on the bog with their eyes squeezed shut. It goes for almost all of today's designs. Perhaps it's because everybody uses the same CAD software instead of the back of an envelope. I don't care about "Oh, but it improves the side-impact protection figures," because I wouldn't be seen dead in one. [Joke.] Heck, even McLarens look like orthopaedic 'corrective' shoes. Yuk. Bring back elegance. It matters.
Scrolled through the comments to see if anyone pointed that out; really doesn't justify the huge price disparity between manufacturers' ICE and E models. Also, really need more estates/wagons in the EV sector; the MG5 is the only game in town, as far as I know. . .
@@rosspalmer6849 I'd buy an MG5 on the very day it is released in germany. The single reason why I don't own an ev is, that there is no ev station wagon in germany. So I have to keep my old banger another 100andsomethingthousand kilometres, I guess.
I have fond memories of Coventry, just as a visitor. When you get to +8 or so GMT, have a visit to NOLA where you can get a drive through "high octane" beverage. I do have to complain that the "green" paint on the cars was a bit much. Range is all about where you are, where you want to go and getting back or on to the next destination ;)
"That was short and sweet" TMI. I don't need to know about his red dwarf.
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I have had my eye on this car for some time; I think it looks beautiful, have a nice range and not a bad price. That button to override the charging timer is a simple but very useful function: I have plugged my car a few times and forgot to change the timer, and arrived at the car just to find it didn’t charge at all (good thing I have a PHEV for now).
Great little car! I was one of the early leasees in Germany who Opel lured in for 39 EUR per month and then they had to cancel because they can't deliver as many cars as this great offer attracted. So I'll get a top spec Corsa e (Ultimate) instead of the entry level Mokka e for the same price to avoid a propper shitstorm. Won't complain though! Oh, before I forget, Robert: When you input ZIP codes in the POI section of the sat nav, it clearly won't work, because there you input categories of POIs. Try inputting ZIP codes in the address section! :-)
@@sargfowler9603 I’d guess not much. EVs are so simple mechanically that they really only need tire changes and alignments. One peddle driving means the breaks last a very long time as well.
*The car itself looks fine, great even. But talking with friends and work colleagues, if the manufacturers don't address the extortionate price difference between electric cars and their petrol/diesel equivalents, it's going to take literally decades (and decades) before we even get 20% of drivers, happy to buy electric. And why? Because we're clearly being ripped off on prices, and people will refuse to buy on principle. It's all down to corporate greed... as usual! Great review btw, thanks.*
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Will Robert order a Mokka? Find out in this episode. The Vauxhall Mokka-e (badged as Opel in Europe) is a solid and stable addition to the EV family, with a decent range and incredible 100kW rapid charge capabilities. It looks good, it's nice to drive and it's hard to find anything not to like, well apart from one thing. As with other EVs that have a cheaper petrol/diesel counterpart it's hard not to question why the electric version can't be more affordable.
Could this be Robert's favourite compact SUV that he's driven? And more importantly, will he be able to order a drive-through mokka in a left-hand drive car? Watch and find out.
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Timestamps:
0:00 Introduction
1:30 Have you subscribed?
1:57 Thumbs up
2:14 Start me up
2:27 Opel/Vauxhall
2:54 Hit the road
3:26 Range
4:26 Confidently mature
4:50 Battery & motor
5:13 Actual knobs
5:42 Flawless cruising
6:08 Quirky satnav
6:26 All good
7:02 Driving modes
7:52 Lane keeping
8:54 Time for a coffee?
9:05 Comfy in the back
9:42 Window issues
10:01 Mokka-e please
10:51 Big old boot
11:47 Charging
12:55 Bladder range
14:05 100 kW charging
14:48 Discrete discharge
15:57 Price Mokka-e?
16:53 Bells & whistles
17:13 Features list
19:14 Favourite compact SUV?
19:46 Why so expensive?
20:53 Support & Join
Robert i unsubscribed because you was getting political. This programme is about electric car's and vehicles and the future. Not that you don't like a president (ex) lol
I disagree with the bladder issue, yes you may need to stop for a few minutes to stretch and eat a sandwich, but I can't stand the fact that I have a car that does less km that my current car which is 900km easy. I'll wait for an electric car with solid state batteries or better range. However I have to say that I like how they made it, apart from the boot release which is not in an ideal place.
@@chrislecouteur2360 I'm sad to hear that obviously, unfortunately, and this is not my choice, the change from burning fossil fuels to renewables and electric vehicles has become 'political.'
This show is definitely about the future, it openly and enthusiastically promotes renewable energy and sustainable technology. That again is seen by some as being overtly 'political.'
And the particular president (ex) you referred to passed so many laws and did everything he could to deny there was a problem and hold back back transition, that any criticism of that short sighted and dangerous stupidity is also clearly political.
I just want to say that the president (ex) is the most destructive political figure seen in America in my lifetime. He is very very political and I unsubscribed, unfollowed and now, thankfully, so has America.
@@chrislecouteur2360 If a manufacturer does something stupid like leaving out safety equipment then you can publicise it and sue them for criminal negligence and the resultant loss of life, and I don't think anyone would be surprised. I don't think an ex president should be immune from punishment from what appears to be criminal negligence while in office. Guilt should be determined by the courts.
@@carlodanese9120 ok, but are you prepared to wait while the asthmatics get their breath back? As to driving 900 km without stopping for seven minutes, why would you want to? I assume you are younger than 30 and want to live past 50.
The most amazing feature to me is how the car switches from left-hand drive to right-hand drive automatically!! :-)
Nice how Opel's logo is already a lightning. Perfect for EVs 😁
Opel sell RHD cars in ROI...I was looking forward to the Opel / Chevy Bolt being released here,but that never happened..At least we can get an EV with that badge now!
kind of like a tipped over fully charged logo
it's been like that for ages now.
@@gryzman yeah it has! I am talking to Greg and seasong here!
@seasong Nice channel pic though
This might be the most educational, entertaining and bingeable electric car channel on RUclips.
What the hell was educational about this video? 😆😆
I completely agree, the price markup is just ridiculous. I would love to buy this car, it's a lovely colour (for which you have to pay extra btw but I digress) in this metallic green and it's a good size for a small family but 10k extra on top of the base price for the dirty model makes no sense and really makes potential buyers think twice about committing to a purchase.
I would say that 'think twice' is a major understatement.....!
Really? the colour combo looks like it was probably done with LV insurance in mind. yuk!
However you will be saving over £200 per month in fuel cost.......👍
@@philtucker1224 Which means you can drive the petrol one for 5 years if you only charge at home before you break even, which is the major issue. Like Robert said £5000 would be reasonable, but £10000 extra is stretching it.
Oil barons are shaking in their boots. The fossil fuel industry will collapse 90% in the next few decades. They're just grasping at straws, but good thing most of them are OLD and already have one foot out of REALITY's 🚪...
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Well done to Opel for keeping the Knobs and buttons, too many manufacturers are going touchscreen only now
I wonder why that is !!!
@@favesongslist It's because today's drivers are more interested in playing with touchscreens and techie-toys than watching where they're going and driving bloody cars. Driving well demands enormous concentration. Try the Advanced Test, where you have to give a running commentary of your progress. It's absolutely exhausting, and that ought to be the MINIMUM level required for safe progress.
But watching the road is boring. The rise of 'driver aids' and autonomous vehicle technology is a perfect excuse to pass the responsibility for collisions onto something else.
"Not my fault. The car didn't see the cyclist. They ought to fit bikes with crash-avoidance systems..."
They do. It's called a cyclist. Cars used to have 'drivers'; now they're just bored, dozy passengers swiping screens.
More buttons and switches, please. Come on, boys: minds on the road and hands on your knobs. (Whoops...)
Touchscreen only is cheaper to build, and endlessly updateable. And perfectly safe.
@@EleanorPeterson The user interface is upgradeable. The Model 3 recently had an update that moved the speedometer readout a bit farther from the driver to allow it to be seen better without moving your hand, IIRC.
And that right there is why Tesla continues to accelerate away from its competition. Knobs and switches cost money. A page on a touchscreen interface costs nothing and can be constantly improved *by gathering usage data*.
I love how you can make it left or right hand drive, impressive!
Cool isn't it? Most modern cars are "drive by wire" anyways: So they really just need a way to clip on the control bits on the other side.
Certainly a feature of many 1930s aircraft, it was called "throw over" steering
It's the economy mode, the normal mode, the sports mode, and the right-hand drive mode.
I have just bought one of these. And I can honestly say I am very impressed. It's so comfortable and smooth. Full of tech. I have driven a lot of vehicles.. And to be quite honest, this is probably my favourite. Now where's my keys?? I need a mocha in a mokka.
This car oozes 1970's Manta GT/E styling cues. Terrific!
Good call!, It does have a nice stance. I had a few Mantas back in the eighties, Luxus and Rallys, they were fun to drive, and easy to work on.
I'd like to see one of these in a single color, like the deep blue of the Mantas, or the GTs.
My uncle had a Manta 400 😊
Its the best looking vauxhall in a long time.
Happily a member. 😊👍🇦🇺
I find it unusual that they’ve named the car a Mockery 😆😆😆😆
That outro was almost a Jonathan Pie style rant. I'd love a Jonathan Pie style summation at the end of a Fully Charged Show video.
Maybe a collaboration with Johnathan Pie?
The way Robert pronounces Opel lets my german heart melt. :D
Great review, as always.
Greetings from Germany! Really nice review of the Mocca-e. Only sad thing is, that they can't satisfy the demand, at least here in Germany. A friend of mine ordered a Mocca-e in November last year and in December Opel cancelled his order, because there were too many orders already and it would be unlikely that he get this car in 2021 at all. I also agree on the high prices, but I think competition from China will force European manufacturers to drop prices in the next few years.
By the way, your review of the Corsa-e last year contributed to my decision to buy one and I did not regret it. Keep up the good work.
Robert’s presentation is an utterly engaging delight, as always 😁
I drive to work at 4 am heated wing mirrors is great. At that time everything heated is great. Lol
Yes much needed, and all cars should be a preheat car app so you can use phone to get car nice and warm!
Absolutely love Robert's reviews, I don't always like the cars he reviews but they are all fair, constructive and done in a straightforward way, keep them coming Robert, I'm looking forward to getting my Kona 64kwh in November.
Why are a lot of manufacturers now putting the boot opening button in the dirty zone areas?
very good question >>>>>>
they will sell you the remote ( swing your foot) option next time 🤪
So you pay the extra cost for the motorised trunk door
You just need a button in a different place. Having it right at the bottom near the reg plate is the worst place to have it. Not only are you going to have dirty hands when it’s been raining but you also have to stoop to press it. They could easily have made it part of the badge at the back
Yea I thought the same thing. Bobby seemingly not bothered? Awful placement of a button.
The designer probably expect you to push the switch with your shoe, not with your hand.
My first car was a 1974 Opel Manta Rally which was the 70s version of this green - Signal Green they called it. I loved that little car. Even had the same black bonnet and roof. I hope someday PSA will bring Opel back to the States. I would buy one in an instant.
Another nice looking EV. It's going to be hard to find a replacement for our old Leaf. I have been driving 24kwh Leaf's for over 5 years now and 150ish miles is more than enough. I'm still waiting for Dacia Spring to hit UK market so helpfully other manufacturers will start to make 15k decent range EV's. Great review as always Rob and the team 👏👏
I liked your video very much, always with a sence of humor. I have ordered an Opel Mokka myself and after the government subsidy in Germany I pay about 9,000 EUR less and thus come to about the price of a patrol car. However, I would doubt that the price of the Mokka e could be much cheaper. The car batteries are still quite expensive. You can see that from the fact that Tesla, as a pure e-car manufacturer, has always had quite high prices compared to gasoline cars. If the batteries were much cheaper to produce, Tesla would have had an enormous price advantage, because they would not have to take into account that many gasoline engines would still have to be built.
Great video Robert; thank you and your teams hard work on these videos. All the best to you from the far far North!
You are without a doubt the most fun of all the car reviewers and I watch more for entertainment than anything else as I live in the States and will never buy any of the cars you review, thank you for always being informative and entertaining, I appreciate it greatly.
Love the intro showing 4 window switches - take note VW 😛
What car doesnt have it? Bmw and Toyota all have it.
@@林振华-t4v new volkswagen don't have it!
I would love to have 2 switches. After 5 years of owning golf, I still keep hitting back row window switches accidentaly. Dont remember when was the last time I needed to open second row windows from the drivers seat. So having them under extra button press is a win for me
@@林振华-t4v the smaller toyotas I've been in only had front buttons...
@@林振华-t4v Id.3 has two switches controlling all four windows
Thankyou for such a intensive review, Im just considering getting the mokka-e so watching all the reviews i can find.
Sometimes it goes the other way though. I just ordered a 36 grand EV on a 3 year lease, the cost is a little over £250 a month including servicing and vat and its really well equipped. My current car, a Seat Ateca Xcellence Petrol cost me £365 a month and was 30 grand new.
what car did you lease?
I absolutely love Robert's reviews. He's just the kind of chap that I would like to sit down and enjoy a pint with!
Hey I'm in Canada, those Heated mirrors are IMPORTANT! I imagine in Norway too.
Looking forward to getting some of these EVs in Canada under the new Stellantis corp
Thumbs up from Norway! 😅
This will be the Bolt EUV in Canada, announcement coming on the 14th Feb.
I like my heated mirrors even in UK, lots of cold rainy days.
@@therealcdnuser GM sold these brands off to Stellantis, so they are not the same.
Dont know if this has somekind of heatpump system ,,,
Interesting point you make Robert about manufacturers deliberately inflating prices on EV’s to clear the backlog of their combustion powered models. And agree, the amount of engineering that goes into an EV is not on the same level as a traditional car. The problem is, many of us (myself included) are delaying the purchase of an EV until prices start to look sensible. I don’t understand why manufacturers expect their customers to invest in the future if the price points are not competitive with their combustion counterparts. All rather counter intuitive if you ask me. Great show though and love your enthusiasm. Highly infectious, in a good way... Pip Pip!
Completely agree with you on thebase level cost.
You got coffee from my go-to coffee drive through! nice to see familiar places :)
Just watched to see you fooling around. Robert at his best! Thank you!
Thank you for this, I’ve just ordered the white with black roof and mirrors Mokka Ultimate Nav 1.2 petrol automatic, about 5/6 month wait for it to be built now. I loved the visibility you get and the up high feel, that makes you feel you’re in a much higher car, can’t wait! 👍🏻😊
I think when it gets to three years old and is cheaper it may be worth a punt if it is the kind of car that suits you. I notice year old Corsa E are now available just over £20k at a year old.
And you will get an old battery that is the most expensive part of the car.
@@pt020 One year old battery is no problem. Look up some videos on battery degradation, it´s really not that bad apparently. Well, except for the first generation Leaf, which doesn´t have liquid cooled batteries.
@@pt020 batteries have an eight year warranty and will last way longer than a petrol engine.
@@robsmith1aEvery signle thing like laptops/phones etc after 4 years battery sucks a**. I doubt that they are so good that it will last longer then 8yrs. I have 2 cars, and love the electric solution esp simplicity of the construction. But one of my cars is 2002 V6 audi with LPG. I doubt that electric car can be still running on same batteries after 19 years. And i didnt have to invest more then 500$ in the engine to keep it running. Also it uses around 6$ per 100km. One huge disadvantage of electric is heating in winter.
@@3dvox712 It is fortunate that car battery packs are managed to ensure a much longer life than in a laptop or phone where they are destroyed pretty quickly by charging to full and then emptying them on a daily basis with no thermal management. Battery packs are falling in price rapidly and if a pack starts to degrade most are modular and only the offending module needs replacing. I also think than in ten years time there will be a lot of cheap third party battery upgrades available. I have a Mercedes SLK at present but for three years from 2017 I had a Renault Zoe and didn't notice any changes in the range of the car after that time (there would be some degradation but the software on the car would manage the buffer to hide that from me). Maintenance costs over the three years totalled less than one service for the Mercedes. My main dislike with EVs is lack or choice and the weight of the battery packs makes them less fun to drive. I am sure this will change over time.
You was so cheerful during this review it makes me smile :) Thank you for this review, I am wondering if Mokka should be my next car choice, so this video do helps a lot!
Looks great, would buy it if it was 20k...
Agreed, or would at least give it consideration, were I in the market (which sadly, I'm not). Being a Vauxhall, they probably don't hold their residuals that well, so year-old models might go for a decent price. But I suppose someone needs to order them to begin with to make it to that section of the market.
LIKED coz of your comments about the *artificially inflated EV prices* from the big/old/dying car manufacturers 👍🏽
We really need cars like this in Australia.
** WARNING **
If you drive a teal-coloured electric Kona in England, don't be surprised if you're followed by a dodgy-looking RUclips presenter ;)
Onto the pronunciations: You say it as mock-ah , even for the coffee drink. I've always heard it called moke-kah . Is it Oh-pell or Ope-ull over on your side of the pond?
As for driving 2,3,4 hours at a time , I used to drive professionally , a break at 2 hours was welcome - 3 hours was doable - 4 hours was a relief (in more ways than one)
Another great episode, can't wait for the next one!
you made a "mockery" of that poor Starbuck guy... I'll get my coat...
or a Mokka-ry?
@@sonisheree A Mokka-e-ry
He made MOCKAREE of the name of the thing
There's one thing about pricing, not for now but in the future, rumors of battery shortages, I don't if that's just from manufacturing them fast enough, or because of material supply not fast enough, but if the latest PC Chips shortage has anything to go by, causing PC components and Console prices to inflate, this could happen to cars, especially when we're wanting them to be cheaper.
I can't wait to move out of my fiesta later this year into an EV. Currently not sure what I'm getting but I've been looking forward to it for a while
If you're coming from a Fiesta (and, presumably, liked it) then my recommendation would be to look at the Corsa e / e208 (pretty much the same car) and the Renault Zoe. The Zoe is a fantastic car, but it doesn't have rapid charging as standard which is completely irrelevant for some people (I rapid charged my Leaf less than ten times in five years, for example) and a deal breaker for others.
@@littlebluepanda394 I'd likely go for a used id3, but very tempted to stretch for a model 3 due to teslas keeping their value and batteries lasting so long. I have test driven the e208 and zoe, found the zoe was a bit better due to the e208 having such a tiny wheel and hard to get it into postion to see guages. Iplan to do lots of road trips when I get an ev to go explore places, driving without planning in a way, why I think my best bet will be going the extra mile for the tesla m3 LR
@@BrokenNinja Teslas are unbelievable value when you consider their range and longevity. Also OTA updates as technology improves.
Actually, the best thing you can do [unless your fiesta is super old] is to keep your car for a bit longer. Additional bonus is that next year you will have more choice and who knows, maybe prices will come down too.
First suggestion, Tesla.
If Tesla isn't your thing because you need android auto or something Tesla doesn't have that is a must have for you..
Then my next suggest is the ID3, ID4 if you need something bigger, Volvo XC40 recharge, or the Polestar 2 (The Polestar is a bit more expensive but I've heard wonderful things about it), and then at the highest end the Porsche Taycan.
Seen this in the flesh today looks very very good in that green interior looks nice I only looked through the window outside Vauxhall dealers too scared to go in!
“It’s all fine, erm it’s got a mirror...” Classic Robert 🤣👍
Again, I always enjoy this channel and extra much this video as the owner of a VW ID.3, because it is always interesting to see how a similar car from a competitor performs!
Electric car buyers are currently classified as premium car buyers by automotive marketing departments. This is why the manufacturer's markup on electric cars is so large.
This will only change when electric cars become dominant in the market.
that instrument cluster is just beautiful
Moka in a Mokka e, such a pun Mockery! That along with your vocal sound effects of vroom and woosh in other videos, make you a star ⭐️. You are so entertaining, real and fresh!
I've never been a big vauxhall fan, but the new designs with the black moustache face thing are a really nice departure from the bland. It has a slightly American 1970s feel (lots of recessed headlights in the grille looks).
Why do electric cars always have the charging cable under the boot floor . great when the boot is full of 'stuff' and it needs charging . someone clever needs to earn their wages .
in 3 years of driving an EV, it's never been a problem as either I charge at home therefore I have an empty boot or after I have emptied the boot of luggage when I reach my destination i.e. destination chargers. Charging on the road is done at rapids, so the lead is not required
It the same with most cars having still a spare wheel. It will take more time to remove and put again the stuff than change the the wheel.
Hopefull your not changing a flat every week . putting the cable under the drivers seat would solve this mind .
@@johnhodgson9296 Two times with the same VW van was enough. Anyway, I never used the cables of my Leaf, the charger is always in the garage, so no issue.
If you have a zoe, Craig at RZOC (the Zoe owners club) has developed a 3D-printed hook to hang the cable out the way on the side of the boot. Genius.
Great video Robert. Loving the channel. Maybe the reason you like it so much is the familiarity to Starbug?? 😉
Bass from the road noise was very loud on my headphones. Just wanted to mention because usually fully charge sound is spot on.
It took me a moment to figure out where the sound was coming from, while I also was listening with headphones on and thought a heavy vehicle was driving outside. Took my headphone off and was silent, headphones on and there it was.
Completely agree, I was listening with earbuds and the very low tones in the car were very unpleasant
My sub-woofer is getting a work out.
Also the sound levels skip
Absolutely correct Robert, this for me is my main reason for not changing to an EV yet!
The EV manufacturers are bleeding every single penny out of the buyers when these vehicles more then likely cost significantly less to make when compared to ICE vehicles!
To be fair, they *do* cost more to make (for now), because of the global battery shortage... more factories are being built, but even they won't be enough for the growing demand... hence Robert saying that 3k or even 5k extra might be understandable... but 10k? that's just PSA trying to 'manage demand', and stop the sales of their ICE models tanking.
£10k more than the fossil fuel version. Thanks, but no thanks. I will wait for vehicle manufacturers to wake up and start selling these electric vehicles for the same price and the fossil fuel version. Like you say, there is no excuse for the £10k price hike. Most of the gadgets you don’t need. So that’s a excuse for the £10k price hike. So is the cost of the battery, so is the R&D..... ALL EXCUSES.
Who in their right minds would buy the electric version that has half the range and a £10k price hike...
Great video, great electric vehicle, I would buy one tomorrow and trade in my hybrid, but I will not be buying one till the price is the same if not lower than the fossil fuel version.
I want a electric vehicle, but I’m not paying the average price hike of £10k on most electric vehicles, that have a fossil fuel version.
These will only sell to the hard core first time electric vehicle pioneers.
It’s such a shame, this would be a great mass market electric vehicle if it was the same price, if not lower than the fossil fuel version...
I agree and it’s ridiculous to charge 10k more. However, the running costs are massively cheaper. It would cost me to do 10,000 miles in a year, £100 electricity (1p a mile on octopus energy EV tariff). If that was petrol, at 35 mpg it’s about £1500. And no road tax. But we all know the real reason it cost 10k more, that’s because the manufacturers are not going to make as much money on servicing and things going wrong! In fact, the only thing to service on electric car, is a washer bottle top up. I know, I have a six year old Nissan Leaf. Stopped servicing it two years ago, utterly pointless.
@@HelpfulTimes If you're a low mileage driver like me (well under 4000 miles a year) the much lower running cost for EVs doesn't come CLOSE to offsetting the enormous price increase over an ICE car! I spend typically under £500 a year on fuel, my servicing costs are low and my road tax is £20!
There's no WAY I can justify an EV til we get near price parity (threatened by afficionados for years - but really, nowhere in sight!!)
@@HelpfulTimes I agree with you as well that a Ev is cheaper to run. But it would still take you 8-9 years to make that difference back and why should you? But for a manufacturer to put on theses saving onto the price of a Ev in the first place is just wrong.
There is no excuse for it. They can still make a profit from the sale of a Ev if it was the same price as the fossil fuel version. In fact the way the world is going. That’s what they will have to do if they want to sell a vehicle. The up take of evs, in a time of economic devastation is growing where as fossil fuel sales, are stalling. Even with a £10k price hike on EVs. Because it’s what people want a vehicle that is easy and cheap to maintain and run and far more reliable and less polluting.
People like myself are waiting for the EVs to be at that price of the fossil fuel version. Then I will walk into a dealership and buy one. I also want bi directional charging so I can help run my home in winter. I have solar and a storage battery and a octopus energy tariff that I will be able to move to a agile tariff, when I have a Ev. Again bring the cost of living down and giving more economic value. After all a vehicle is sat 80% of its time on a driveway doing nothing. You might as well store cheap or free electric in the vehicle to use when energy prices are higher and even sell some of that energy back to the grid at a higher price than you paid for it. Again making owning a Ev a need. Rather than a expensive want. I have a hybrid I don’t pay road tax, I only fill up once a month I do around 440 miles on average for that tank of fuel and I’ve had 4 years free servicing and I only pay £179 at 2.9% apr and the first 42 months was at 0% at £199. So I have no Incentive to buy a electric vehicle until I can have bi directional charging as standard and at the same price of the fossil fuel version. Which I believe is still 3-5 years away.
I'm glad Robert brought up the issue of cost. Every time a new EV is realised it always around the £30k mark. I started to think some price fixing is going on again. One of the manufacturers is going to undercut at some point and then they'll become more affordable for all. I wonder who will be the one to take the plunge? Anyway, love this channel, keep up the great work!
When it comes to comparing the price, wouldn’t it be more accurate to compare the EV model to an ICE model that had all the same extras rather than the base model?
I think the point is that you can't get the EV without all the price-enhancing extras. They are using the extras as an excuse to inflate the price.
@@NickFoster yes that’s probably true, but in the interest of showing the EV in the best possible light it would still be better to compare it to an ICE model with the same extras.
I agree. I was thinking the exact same thing.
Nick Foster i would guess they use the options to justify the high price of the battery. By making them standard you at least get a volume discount and lower production complexity as they all get those features.
But that would get in the way of a good rant. No self respecting conspiracy theorist let's the facts get in the way
Robert, you are awesome & so is the Opel/Vauxhall Mokka E.
PSA group needs to work on that price then everything else is great. 👍🏻🇳🇿
Excited about the EV direction .
Blimey, that's .4 of a mile from where I live! I was completely unaware that it's there. Will have to walk up and ask them if I can have a test drive :)
1kW ≈ 1.341 bhp 👍. I agree, it's a lovely car for a horrendous price. I like the addition of an Acoustic Test (please consider keeping it for future episodes) - perhaps you could include it in the timestamps? Go steady guys ⚡
What do you mean “why so expensive”? They got to grab a decade’s worth of service money in advance...
The uk doesnt really work like that, you dont have to take your car to the original dealer for servicing.
@@mralistair737 it’s the consumables.
@@mralistair737 To keep your Lifetime Warranty cover valid, you need to take your vehicle to an authorised Vauxhall repairer every 12 months. ... So we may request details of your service history at any time during the warranty period.
@@whocares264 The servicing must be done by a VAT registered business, for the warranty to remain valid. This is why Main Dealers add on extras to the servicing routine such as breakdown cover or continued subscription to the car info systems.
@@whocares264 it's super easy to be authorised. same in australia, most mechanics are authorised.
Nice mature review of all Evs with a dose of humor!!
Looking forward to your review of the new Dacia EV.
Unfortunately no plans to bring it to the UK
@@chargingabout bummer. But ... I'm in the Netherlands, so maybe Robert would like to do a review anyhow ... ( Robert? please? )
Great video as always, thank you. It would be helpful when you charge cars, that you show us the cost of charging too.
It looks like it has good clearance for rough roads. I 4WD version would be nice.
This car looks very good. The best looking Opel in recent years.
Your discussion on the price difference e vs. ice is interesting. However, i cant help to think that the government incentives are what could be driving a significant part of the delta. If one was to have the gov incentive, how would that new price compare to the ice version? Here in Québec the rebate is $13k CAD (7.4k GBP) and i have a feeling this is not going unnoticed by car makers... Could they simply be pricing the subsidies into their prices, which is the goal of the subsidies in a way... thoughts?
No. This is £13,000 more than the petrol car. £10,000 after the grant is applied. Robert is right, these manufacturers know, if the delta was small loads of people would choose the EV. So they artificially restrict sales.
That was really the case in France, and not only for EV. Seen the same for AC/heatpump.
This got me thinking. I take it there are country specific ev incentives that must vary considerably. How much do those impact the ev vs ice price delta in each respective country? For example are car manufacturers simply keeping a 10k delta between the ev and ice with the incentive which would support Pauls comment and Robert's hypothesis. Or does the delta change based on incentives? Is there someone doing a BA course in marketing or economics that could take this on as a project? ;)
@@CarrionAix Some years ago, the Outlander PHEV was 6000€ more expansive in France compared to Germany. And you got 6000€ back from the state (if you conformed to all conditions, which wasn't always the case).
What I understand even less is that some brands advertise with the incentive already subtracted, and some not.
to our neck of the woods. Coventry I think does have some of the leading technology with ev's.
Ah I still remember how proud I was when I bought a brand new Opel Manta GTE.
Fell in love with those when I saw the shark like saloon version. Also saw an odd German film called Manta Manta, like a fast and furious film where.the body kits were made from plywood
@@style11guru they where made of ABS or steel. Plywood where not allowed to TÜV reasons of course. All parts of cars in Germany were tested by the TÜV (technical l verification association). In contrast to the cars in fast and the furious the cars in Manta Manta were really traffic-safe! That's a fact. But I really like this film too as I was a kid. It's a Kult-Film, as we say in Germany. Doesn't know it's also known in other regions.
There are two films about the Opel Manta. Once "Manta Manta" and "Manta der Film" (Manta the Movie)
@@style11guru that movie is a genuine CULT CLASSIC movie.
@@florianj6490 it's been a while since I've seen the film, I just remember a crash and the wide arches looked like wood when flying through the air
Vauxhall
The charge/discharge montage at 14:53 had me laughing out loud like with the best Red Dwarf outtakes!
😂👍
Huh, I didn't know that the A in PSA stood for "All those people". :D
Yeah and the S for Sitroen
Stellantis
I have a Mokka E and love it. I had an electric MG and it suddenly ran backwards whilst driving uphill!!!! Plus had battery problems and AA said it wasn't fit for purpose. Agency and MG took no responsibility. So be warned don't have an MG electric.
Phheww. No massive tacked on screens 👍.
Glad to see some manufacturers still have a bit of sensibility.
748k subscribers. That's a lot, Robbie!! If all your subs actually watched the videos, you'd have even more views!
“Oh pull” not “Oh pell” 😱
Yeah wanted to say that as well.
O-PUL NOT oh-pél
So you need to compare it with a similarly equipped petrol model. What's the difference then? A quick look shows the Higher end petrol version at almost 24,000 and the Electric version at 27,000 at Aston Melton Mobray. Only 3000 difference
If they want to sell these electric they have to be the same price as the petrol cars 😩
Don’t forget that you’ll be saving over £200 a month not buying petrol so that should more than cover the “apparent” higher monthly payment....👍
That’s the point. They don’t want to sell them, a dealer makes 50% of their profits from spares and repairs. With an ev that revenue is virtually gone. It’s a scandal
@@philtucker1224 don't need to buy petrol but need to buy electricity...
Yeah I agree or at least close to. You will save money on fuel, so if it was £5000 more you could easily justify it. But even that would still put some people off.
3:00 I loved the use of the left indicators as you turned to the right :-)
O PEL? That's an interesting way to say Opel.
Oh Pell?
The price difference of base models does confuse. However, what I would really like to know is 'What is the price of the equivalent petrol model?' i.e. spec a petrol version with all the add ons that the electric version comes with. And that would provide us with a like for like comparison. Thanks for another great episode!
Don't know about the Mokka, however, for the Peugeot 2008 (same car underneath), in the cheapest trim (Allure Premium on both) petrol £21k, electric £30.7k including £3k grant. The petrol has 100 bhp, the electric 136 bhp (petrol with the 131 bhp engine is £23.8k). In the highest GT Premium trim, petrol (131 bhp engine is cheapest available) £28.2k, electric after grant £36.6k. So approx £8-9k differential when specced to the same level - I doubt the Mokka would be too different.
The car companies like you say Rob have got s4it loads of ice engines to get rid of and they make EV's falsely expensive ...
“It’s got a mirror”- Roberts simply brilliant...
"Engine sound enhancement" -You put it into sport mode and it makes vroom vroom noises? Nah.
@Ross Bourne but it costs a few cents to include as an option. Can be sold for much more. Hyundai offers a dozen custom internal ambient sounds. IDK if you can load your own but people will figure that out in time
Yah!! Why not have the option to upload an mp3 of an 18 wheeler? I'd be grinning with joy.
Agree 100% about the price. Nissan leaf by now should prove at$25k and $5 k more at most for a 300 mile range variants
Robert needs to do a car review dressed as kryten🙏😂👌
imagine how big his channel would be if he was allowed to do it as Mr K, and office Starbug..!
I'm sure he'd LOVE the 3 hours of makeup, just to review a car.
Can't wait for your review of Dacia Spring EV... That should be what you mention here - 3-4k more than basic petrol, has all the basics and just works. Not sure about the range, but we will see...
Its not just 10 thousand pounds more than the petrol version it's 50% more!!!!!
it is less than £10k more and much less than 50%
@@whocares264 if you listen to the video he says like for like base spec models are £30,000 for ev and £20,000 for petrol models ... That's £10,000 more for the electric so 50%... Or didn't you do maths?
@@michaelfilbee2239 you would need to to compare a top of the range automatic diesel to the mokka EV and the mokka EV gets a government grant ...you do the maths
@@whocares264 like for like is same as same dont matter wether £10 or £10,000 difference IT'S LIKE FOR LIKE. the base model is the base model whichever way you look at it......... plus why spend £30,000 on a car that only goes 200 ish miles when i spent £7,000 5yrs ago on a brand new car ( petrol) and goes 500 miles befor refueling.........?.??? Untill electric sort themselves out( which they will I'm sure) with basic cars like dacia/Renault they wont be getting me on board at all, most people don't need electric mirrors, seats, satnavs ipad play internet devices,,, most people just get in and drive........it will come I'm sure but for what your paying for, and don't say petrols cheap ( they have to find it, dig hole, extract, refine, transport, deliver, etc, the same as batteriesfor electric cars), theres only one moving part in the elecrtic motor.....hardly any servicing costs, no gears, so why cost 50% more? ......extortionate corporation thats why........petrol is dying but not till electric cars are cheaper than LIKE FOR LIKE petrol models.......
@@michaelfilbee2239 it's like for like ? they are different cars the ev is cheaper to run service is more reliable less depreciation no road tax cleaner quieter smother
I like how you look at the c pillar when sitting in the back, I mean who wants to look out the window.😂😂
"Engine" start?
An electric motor is still technically an engine.
@@SmokyFrosty
Don't go there.
The styling of the new Mokka is really great. I hope Opel does well under the PSA group
It's basically a citroën/peugeot now..What do you expect..
Great to see but still looks like a teenager's trainer as do most compact SUVs.
Yep. I hate the shoe-vibe of modern cars. Ugly, ugly, ugly. Lumpy and stumpy with tiny side windows, looking like they're overweight and constipated, squatting on the bog with their eyes squeezed shut.
It goes for almost all of today's designs. Perhaps it's because everybody uses the same CAD software instead of the back of an envelope.
I don't care about "Oh, but it improves the side-impact protection figures," because I wouldn't be seen dead in one. [Joke.]
Heck, even McLarens look like orthopaedic 'corrective' shoes. Yuk.
Bring back elegance. It matters.
Smashed the like button early because the algorithm loves that apparently👍😊
The MG EV is a lot cheaper. MG5 EV estate from £24,495 and the MG ZS EV from £25,495
Scrolled through the comments to see if anyone pointed that out; really doesn't justify the huge price disparity between manufacturers' ICE and E models.
Also, really need more estates/wagons in the EV sector; the MG5 is the only game in town, as far as I know. . .
@@trevorwgratton3354 That I think is true but wagons don’t sell well anymore. However if the MG5 sells other companies will take notice
@@rosspalmer6849 I'd buy an MG5 on the very day it is released in germany. The single reason why I don't own an ev is, that there is no ev station wagon in germany. So I have to keep my old banger another 100andsomethingthousand kilometres, I guess.
I have fond memories of Coventry, just as a visitor. When you get to +8 or so GMT, have a visit to NOLA where you can get a drive through "high octane" beverage. I do have to complain that the "green" paint on the cars was a bit much.
Range is all about where you are, where you want to go and getting back or on to the next destination ;)
"That was short and sweet" TMI. I don't need to know about his red dwarf.
I have had my eye on this car for some time; I think it looks beautiful, have a nice range and not a bad price.
That button to override the charging timer is a simple but very useful function: I have plugged my car a few times and forgot to change the timer, and arrived at the car just to find it didn’t charge at all (good thing I have a PHEV for now).
And there was me, expecting Robert to reverse through the drive through. Disappointed ☹️
Great little car! I was one of the early leasees in Germany who Opel lured in for 39 EUR per month and then they had to cancel because they can't deliver as many cars as this great offer attracted. So I'll get a top spec Corsa e (Ultimate) instead of the entry level Mokka e for the same price to avoid a propper shitstorm. Won't complain though!
Oh, before I forget, Robert: When you input ZIP codes in the POI section of the sat nav, it clearly won't work, because there you input categories of POIs. Try inputting ZIP codes in the address section! :-)
The ten grand makes up for the service & failure parts rip-off costs they won’t be getting
Most Likely! Does anyone know how much the servicing is for one of these things?
@@sargfowler9603 I’d guess not much. EVs are so simple mechanically that they really only need tire changes and alignments. One peddle driving means the breaks last a very long time as well.
*The car itself looks fine, great even. But talking with friends and work colleagues, if the manufacturers don't address the extortionate price difference between electric cars and their petrol/diesel equivalents, it's going to take literally decades (and decades) before we even get 20% of drivers, happy to buy electric. And why? Because we're clearly being ripped off on prices, and people will refuse to buy on principle. It's all down to corporate greed... as usual! Great review btw, thanks.*
Just subscribe already, how would you feel if you missed a Robert Rant?
Thank you for the review it saves me having to even take it for a test drive myself. now where is that ioniq 5 or Cupra El Born