Mazda MX-30 First Drive - Does it have a Perfectly Sized Battery? | 100% Independent, 100% Electric
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The Mazda MX30 is a practical, straightforward and impressive compact SUV with everything you would expect from a well-made car by Mazda. There is just one small question mark, and it is small, the battery. Mazda's first all-electric ground up car comes with one 35.5 kWh battery option which seems unusual for a car of this size. The smaller, lighter battery does however bring down this EV down into a lower price bracket, but also means it has a lower range. But does Mazda's reasoning about using a smaller battery to reduce overall CO2 make sense? And much more importantly, how many random sound effects can Robert make while adjusting his seat?
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Timestamps
0:00 Electric Car in the Rain
0:46 A Quick Introduction
1:53 Cabin Familiarisation
3:15 Let's Go for a Drive
5:30 Deliberately Small Battery
7:57 What's the Range?
10:55 Robert's Regen Fetish
12:30 Interior Footage & Head-Up Display
14:15 How well will this sell?
15:06 In Summary
17:13 Subscribe & Support
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The Mazda MX30 is a practical, straightforward and impressive compact SUV with everything you would expect from a well-made car by Mazda. There is just one small question mark, and it is small, the battery. Mazda's first all-electric ground up car comes with one 35.5 kWh battery option which seems unusual for a car of this size. The smaller, lighter battery does however bring down this EV down into a lower price bracket, but also means it has a lower range. But does Mazda's reasoning about using a smaller battery to reduce overall CO2 make sense? And much more importantly, how many random sound effects can Robert make while adjusting his seat?
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*Timestamps*
0:00 Electric Car in the Rain
0:46 A Quick Introduction
1:53 Cabin Familiarisation
3:15 Let's Go for a Drive
5:30 Deliberately Small Battery
7:57 What's the Range?
10:55 Robert's Regen Fetish
12:30 Interior Footage & Head-Up Display
14:15 How well will this sell?
15:06 In Summary
17:13 Subscribe & Support
I truly believe this was a smart move by Mazda.
1. EVERYONE must go electric quickly.
2. Batteries are limited supply (for now) - Less batteries, higher production capabilities.
3. People are realizing that 100 miles is plenty for daily driving needs.
4. The market for small distance commuter cars is high in big cities.
5. More and more electric charging stations are becoming available.
6. The cargo space in this vehicle is immense compared to other low range EVs.
7. It's economical in a time where focus on economic strong and rising rapidly.
8. Lower cost!!! Brilliant!
I'm in Tasmania Robert and finally services station's are installing fast charges! Won't be long now.
Why do car manufacturers not make the car we want. I live in Norway and now so many people who want to have electric cars but want a station wagon with options of four wheel drive and 500km range. This is people who have kids that need space for kid stuff and don't want to have range anxiety.
@@dotlaj Jaguar i-Pace? I accept it's not an estate car, but it's got a decent sized boot, especially with the back seats down. Range (WLTP) is damn close to 500km
It's good if you live in the city and not 15 miles out of town, but smaller batteries and low range is not for everyone. In a few years the "newer of the new" models will have twice the range it's a matter of time.
It’s seems like driving around in an EV with a 70-90kwh battery when your commute is 10-20 miles a day and you can recharge overnight is like filling your petrol car tank to the brim every night and lugging 50 litres of fuel around every day. Small capacity batteries definitely have a place for those who need less distance.
Exactly!
No, you aren’t lugging a tank full of liquid and there’s no weight difference between a full or discharged battery. Have a home charger you won’t even be going anywhere to fill up.
@@stephenspencer8224You are missing the point, he said if you just commute 10-20 miles a day and you fill it up every night, you just carry the extra full everyday for nothing. And ues the battery full or not doesn’t get heaviar or easier but his point is that you have a small capacity battery, And having a 38 Kwh battery vs a 75 kwh battery , there is a large weight difference.
Yes, I am going to be leasing one. It’s perhaps half a time tonne lighter and not anywhere near the most efficient but the comfort, drive quality and range will meet my needs. The lack of wheel spinning acceleration will better preserve my tyres too.
So I don’t think I have missed anything. However how big the market is for such a product if it relies on folks with such needs as mine is a concern. I’d like to see this car succeed. Best wishes.
I'm more worried about the winter. How much range am i losing for some heating
I test drove this car and was blown away by the comfort and handling. The interior is also so comforting. I have an Audi E-Tron already but decided to order this and see how we get on. The E-tron is a bit of a bus around town and murder to park in even not so tight spaces, so I reckon I will use this more day to day.
This car might have been good 10 years ago, having a battery this small in 2021 seems somewhat self limiting irrespective of how well it’s built.
IT is the other way round: Having a small battery today, should be enough as opposed to 10 years ago, where EVs were just Diesel cars with bolt on batteries. Oh wait, the Mazda is an ordinary car just with batteries thrown in!
this is what VW does well. they give options. they let the customer decide and learn from it.
Surely this depends on the use-case? If all this car is for is to commute a-b on your daily journey and you have a second car (average family has 1.8 in Australia/1.9 in the US - only 1.2 in UK) then this car is more than sufficient. The other car can be your weekender or interstater.
It’s ideal for my wife and I who have a CX-5 for trips. The MX-30 would be for in town use, requiring charging once a week in our garage. The rear door design also is ideal for our use as I am becoming disabled and appreciate easily loading a rollator in the rear seat.
A long bonnet in a pure EV seems unnecessary. They could better use the space for passengers, e.g. like the VW ID.3 and ID.4.
And the Tesla Model 3, Model Y and Jaguar I Pace.
and hence the lack of rear seat room
Agree. piss poor I'm afraid.
Mazda is going to sell this in Japan with a combustion engine for some reason, I suppose that's why?
@@shroomyesc Also they are developing a rotary powered range extender, so they'd need space for that. Still no excuse for the back seat size though.
Something that large id expect more range and much less wasted space.
doesn't look designed from ground up as EV, wasted front bonnet area [simply adapted from ICE design], severe lack of leg room in the back and parcel shelf area (from what I could see), and that battery is just tooooooo minimal.
It's not large! It's 95mm bigger than a Peugeot e2008, so it's in the sub-compact SUV sector.
@@bryanduncan6178 sub-compact SUV.... What do these words even mean? Its a tall hatchback with wonky proportions.
@@Leopold5100 not adopted but will be getting a small engine as a petrol range extender so bonet has to be big. batteries are put in the chassis bottom like every other ev
I drove it and it was one of the smoothest and comfortable drive I have ever had. But only for the driver... my brother at the back was painfully seated... I love Mazda and I would like to love this car... buts it’s useless no place, no fast charging, the MG ZS EV is a far better proposition imo
Isn't MG owned by the Military Dictatorship that is China?
Mg is much better value. I enjoy it. Even better to support our supreme Chinese overlords.
@@Neilisthevideoking I of course disagree. Also: SUV's are wasteful and IMO just POS. I would do whatever it takes to get an ID.3 instead. No.1 Choice would of course be a Model 3 with a tow bar.
@Viggen It's very misleading to claim he orchestrated the coup. Yes they might have benefitted from it, but I haven't seen compelling evidence Tesla was actually involved in the process.
@Viggen 1. The US is a democracy. 2. The CEO of Tesla DID NOT fund a coup against anyone. Do you have any proof of what you claim other than a clearly IRONIC tweet?
This piece opens with two falsehoods…
» “This is built from the ground up [as an] electric car.”
No, it's not.
» “But it is a really interesting car.”
No, it's really not. I suppose someday it may be of interest to historians, when they want to illustrate the concept of a compliance car.
Skip ahead to the conclusion…
» “I like it. I like everything about it. There’s nothing not to like about it.”
You may be alone in that. I don’t think even Mazda like it. I watched their unveiling event online. I mean, they wouldn’t come out and say so, of course, but it was easy to tell from the morose tone of the event. It was like a funeral.
Zobeid Zuma, this deserves more upvotes
Absolutely spot on
Exactly and I'd like to point out the myth that "110 miles of range on a charge... still very useful for a large majority" No. As an owner now of 2 Nissan Leafs, 100 miles range is NOT enough, arriving home after a day of driving with an empty battery is counterproductive. As Elon Musk has said "With regard to passenger vehicles, I think the new normal for range is going to be just in US EPA terms approximately 300 miles. So, I think people will really come to expect that as some number close to 300 miles as normal,"
Yeah, I'm pretty sure Mazda don't actually want to sell many of these. I tiny range and (purposefully?) unusable rear space. An e mx5 would have at least been interesting. It's obviously a load of old gumph about them wanting a lighter battery pack - they didn't have the budget or buying power for a larger pack. Having a tiny pack means it'll get cycled more with more stress in each cell and have faster wear. I have very low expectations about the r and d they've put into battery management and long term life of the pack.
I started to be very septics about this guy Fully charge.... many things is saying in the favour for VW Mazda Polestar etc ...
The MX 30 is based on the CX 30 so it is not a “ground up” EV. This also explains why Mazda could only fit a 35 kWh battery in it. The story about keeping overall CO2 emissions low is just marketing BS. Though I think it is a good looking car. Practical it is not..
As a car journalist he should know .....based on the cx30 🙄
Cool. Thanks for the info Ken.
I love Mazda interiors/quality, engineering and driving dynamics....but this car just made a boost/justification for VW ID.3 sales.
A car with a large bonnet and back end but hardly any seat space at the back or even range - wuuut?
Its a regular car converted to electric - not a ground up designed electric car.
It looks like a conversion, I don't see how they could do such a bad job of space management any other way.
Yeah that is really odd.
The idea is to put people off EV’s
@@stuartmitchell8736 it's gonna back fire, so it'll put people off Mazda
Huge hood that you can't see to park. That whole design trend has been terrible for years no matter what the drivetrain. Like if you have to have a camera in the front just to park, theres something wrong with the design.
So its 3cm longer than a ID.3 but you can only fit children in the back. Seems like a lot of wasted space to me. They tried to hard to keep the combustion shape!
I was wrong. It's 14cm longer. MX30 4.40m ID.3 4.26m ID.4 4.58m
@@Barzen873 The main reason is because it isn't built from the ground up as an EV, and the bonnet is massive.
@@Tjomsasen May this be because it's front wheel drive so all the gubbins is in there? We never got a look in.
Couldn't agree more. What a heap of shit.
@@Martin-se3ij There's plenty of space under there. I believe they're planning a version with a Wankel engine. There's easily space for a custom 100 litre+ frunk under there
I'd have this in a heartbeat but 110 miles is probably 80-90 in the cold, thats simply not enough.
Now the Honda E makes more sense.
@@pollumG The price of the Honda now probably makes less sense. It seems like the two companies have only gone at this 80%. Both are great looking cars they just fall that bit short. Hopefully in 3 years we'll get revisions and absolutely cracking cars!
Agreed
Bought an eniro 64kwh and looking at this for our next car but afraid it isn't big enough and doesn't go far enough especially with winters here being so cold. Try again mazda. Hwy the big bonnet!?!
@Richard Wood Yep, my commute is only 110km round trip. One freezing cold day or a motorway blockage and I'd be sh!tting myself in this car. In the Model 3, no such worries.
110 miles on a full charge is the headline for me, sure its a great looking car, smooth and quiet and well built, but making an electric car today with that range is just asking for trouble. If you can buy a second hand Leaf for £7K that covers the same range, what do you think this will be worth in 3 years? Incidentally Tesla have predicted that within 3 years they will produce a 300 mile range vehicle for £25K, To conclude this would have been a great car 7 years ago!
Tesla are gonna have to start using a lot more buttons and dials to get MY interest.....!!!!
Or a Zoe 50 for v similar price and performance, but more interior space an twice the range!
A small correction on the Tesla statement. They claim they would be able to make a $25k EV, however they have not promised one, so it should be seen as the statement of 2014 of a soon to arrive $30k Tesla Model E that we are still waiting to see.
Making a $25k EV requires a couple of compromises that Tesla won't make before Elon Musk leaves the company.
As for the Mazda I would have wished for another 10 kWh and it would be a decent contender on the EV market for most people.
Bit disappointing to have a car with 110 miles, 50KW-DC charging to cramped backseat and a big footprint on the road. Most ev's use internal space well, this car doesnt look like that.
Great that this car drives well, but I have no clue why someome would buy this car over an ID3/ ID4.
Truly disappointing for a brad well respected like mazda
Oh, I only wish that we here in the USA could get the ID3, oh, how I want one of those, but there are *NO* plans for a small car here... if it isn't Hummer sized, it isn't welcomed here. :'(
even a bloody basic cheap MG 5 goes 214 miles.
Even the new Zoe destroys this compliance conversion car.
People like me, who drive 70 % of the time alone and 99 % of the time with only one passenger, have access to a charging station at home and at work, and don't do more than 120 km a day will be delighted to avoid a whale like the ID3 (why all the European EVs are fugly ?). I like both outside and inside design, I trust Mazda reliability, they are fun to drive and this model cost almost half what a VW or a Peugeot would cost. This car is a proud successor to the whole MX- range.
I'd like to get one as a small van for periurban deliveries.
FC Have some brilliant presenters - but it should never be underestimated - you, Robert, are the best by far.
absolutely
No idea why Robert excuses himself for the rain "noise" i really like it. Makes the video way more british ;-)
Also it actually gives some useful information.. No need to excuse the rain noise. Just instead go "Well we got lucky with rain. Let's see how good the sound dampening is...... Well this has a sun roof, so that makes the rain noise pretty dominant. So that is a concern, if one chooses the sun roof option."
The rain is almost the most British thing in this video, aside from the Englishman having a whinge about it, of course.😁
Besides it's not like it's his fault it's raining lol xD
When I first saw it I wasn’t that excited by it. Today I went for a test drive and I must say: I’m pretty impressed. The car looks and feels quite nice, especially the interior. It’s loaded with features and with the 4K subsidy here in the Netherlands (on new electric vehicles) it a real good deal. Sure, the MG ZS EV might be a bit cheaper with a higher range, but the build quality of these cannot be compared. MG isn’t what it was back in the day.
For people that drive around 50km per day, like my dad, the range isn’t that big of a deal. He can charge the battery at work and, if necessary, at home.
I think that the long bonnet is required for the recently announced hybrid version. It turns out that it isn't a pure EV after all, and they need the space for that petrol engine.
I believe it has been built on a modification of Mazda’s platform used for the ICE CX-30, which puts this in the same category as the Polestar 2 and the XC-40 Pure Electric, cobbling together technologies in a one size fits all approach generally means ‘it’s going to be heavy boi’.
@@cannygrowabeard The car weighs only 1645kgs - the car is built from the ground up as an EV.
It's actually going to be a range extender using a Wankel engine....
@@bryanduncan6178 Not really, when you double the battery size to the middle version of the id3, it's 200 kg heavier. The front is probably half a meter longer too, so you lose so much passenger space.
They really think we are idiots. There's no other explanation to this farce by Mazda.
Finalyyyy... Thank you FullyChargedShow!
Beautiful video again, it's like being at the cinema but without people coughing.
Less range = more charge cycles= shorter battery life.
Yup.
You would expect a prominent dedicated EV show like this, that has access to prototypes all across the planet, to know this basic rule.
This car, with its small battery and price, comes 3 years late to the EV market.
Price? I bought it for roughly 18k GBP :) could you advise me anything else for that amount of money in the same size and build quality? :) I don't give a damn about the range, only use it locally (50-60 miles/day), for longer journeys I use the v8 :D
@@AM-ws1em for that price the e-2008 Peugeot, the Hyundai E-Kona or Kia E-Niro, have better results and more range, just to start with the small SUVs. Nissan Leaf also gives more space and with the 40 kWh you still have more range.
For smaller ones either the E-Corsa and E-Peugeot have 52 kWh batteries and good space on the back (proper 4 meters length) and they're cheaper.
Among utilitarians you've got the 3 twins of VW, far cheaper and more range, and spacious given the fact they're only 3.7m long.
Maybe the Honda E is smaller but has more range than this.
@@AM-ws1em sorry you said only £18k? Well, maybe then because we saw it for nearly £30k before.
It's the only way to sell this car.
@@DanRyzESPUK better results in what exactly? the mazda is made in japan, the quality of the interior, the options and the design are far more superior, than any of the psa or hyundai cars in the same price range. to be honest, i don’t know much about UK prices, I’m from Hungary :)
You're right. This would have been semi-competitive in 2016.
Love your intros... they are legendary
Well Hyundai and Kia will not be worried by this.
That artificial noise... When you thought it couldn’t get even shitter
Spot-Bloody-On!!!
*Complete and udder nonsense to buy an electric car and then the flipping thing to sound like a sodding ICE car when one accelerates!!!
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yeah thats how much these clowns know what the market wants, they think we want this crap, i was like cracking up and thinking i would rip that speaker out if i had one but because of the shitty small battery i would never get this car, if this is a tesla killer then tesla definity have nothing to worry about lol
There's got to be a wire somewhere that you can disconnect to get rid of that nonsense!
Every EV produces artificial noise. And they will be obliged to do so legally as well for the outside world.
@@DaxXx988 yeah some laws in some areas of the world might make you have a sound at low speeds, its not law here where i live yet so if i get any EV with this low speed sound ill be ripping it right out or hacking the software to stop it.
I'm allergic to anything that's SUV or Crossover. With a battery this small - WHY isn't this a 'hot hatch' instead?!?
Mazdaspeed 3e? Would kinda be epic.
Because people don't buy them anymore. On every car forum the enthusiast hate on the SUV but the people keep buying them! We are a small not very influent minority :(
@@Mi82475 But mini SUV's/crossovers aren't good at anything. They're not sporty, they don't have the best utility or people carrying capacity. If I wanted a sporty car I'd get a hot hatch, if I wanted utility I'd get a truck or a wagon (which has about the same boot space and doesn't look fugly) and if I wanted to carry people I'd get a full size 7 seater SUV or a family mini van.
These kind of cars have a bootspace between a big hatch and a wagon, they carry only 5 people in most cases (this car can't even do that) and their high center of gravity plus thier weight make them seem like a lumbering log.
I just see no reason why people buy it? People who buy these people haven't the slightest clue about cars, or know what they want from a car, so they end up buying something thats extremely average.
@@justaguy6216 you are completely right.
But we humans are far from rational. We do unreasonable stuff, buying overpriced stuff we don't use in the most efficient way.
Marketing people from the nineties to this day are so able to sell the SUV (fist BIG ones than smaller ones) that the public is even happy to pay a significant premium over the hatchback on witch it's based. So the car companies are happy cause the SUV are more profitable. 🤷♂️
@@Mi82475 My wife buys one simply because of 1 thing. High driving position.
Methinks Mazda's explanation for the smallish battery is just a rationalization. They just couldn't make it work out financially with a bigger battery. Honda has a similar problem with the e.
If they seriously thought a small battery was the way to go, they should have made the rest of the car as efficient as possible, just as Hyundai does with the Ioniq. (Especially the first-gen Ioniq). A very efficient EV with a small battery means you can drive 150 miles, charge quickly, and then go on for another 150 miles. It doesn't work that way if you're starting with an unaerodynamic CUV.
Amazing job Mazda ... It looks absolutely gorgeous.
The battery being small justifications for me is a bunch of bullshit.
Specially considering that this car seems to be sold at a similar price as the ID3, which is just all around a better car with a proper battery.
Lol I see Mazda trying to sell some RX8 doors 😂
I'm glad Bob mentioned the de-misting, it was doing my head in!
I'm pleased to hear that - finally - Mazda has come up with an EV. I, and my family, had owned three mazdas, two Proteges and a B2200 pickup truck -- loved all of them especially how grounded the wide wheel base made the driving. I envy you Robert because it will probably be at least 2yrs before they come to Canada.
I think Mazda will sell as many of these as they want to
I see what you did there.
Very nice video and review as always.
Also a very nice car indeed, like the size, design and form - I would buy it, if they had doubled the battery size.... Now I'll just scratch it of my shortlist....!
Great episode !
Ok 35kwh battery pack, save the planet. Now design a car around it. Low CD. Low frontal area. Get as much range as you can out of those KWh.
Don’t stick it in a car designed to fit an ICE or hybrid power train, nobody is saving the planet, there was no space for a bigger battery.
If someone wants to save the planet they better join the consuming level of the Amish people. EV-cars just is the usually green washing bs used by the salesman.
"A smaller battery for a lower weight". Nevertheless it is a heavy car and the battery is too small anyway. A halfhearted effort. If you want to save CO2 and you mean it: Don't build SUVs!
One hundred percent agree. Companies claim they’re making EVs to save the planet or whatever(Nissan, VW, Tesla, Hyundai, etc.), but they keep making big cars. And then they claim their Crossovers/SUVs are “fuel efficient”??? If you actually cared about fuel efficiency you wouldn’t be making crossovers. If they knew how to sell and were really determined to dominate the market, they would convince their clients SUVs are the most foolish thing ever, especially when many countries like Japan have always had small cars.
@@some_nebula Japanese people are small people! I drive a Mitsubishi PHEV as a taxi and these days I cannot tell you how many customers cannot get the seat belt on because they are so obese!
@@williamarmstrong7199 ok understandable, but that is definitely a problem. A big problem.
@@some_nebula In order to gain market share you have to meet the customers where they are. It would be nearly impossible to convince them to switch to much smaller cars. That's a gradual evolution that takes time, time we don't have. Right now just switching to EV's is critical.
It would be nice if everyone got the urgency of our predicament, and were willing to make bigger changes, but we're not there yet.
@@some_nebula In a perfect world SUVs would be restricted to what they were meant to be, on the countryside, not on the cities.
Great review thank you
Always loved Mazda for their design choices and the lovely, balanced way any Mazda drove that I sat in so far.
Overall, this is a car you can tell was made by a company that doesn't really believe in electric cars.
Er, no you can't.......!
Yup. It's embarrassing. I bet they're going to be losing money on these, too. Mazda clearly doesn't care putting out something like this. Front wheel drive? 🤦♂️ They'll be one of the first to go under.
@@andymccabe6712 You're kidding, right? This car screams 'EU compliance car', it even makes engine noises (inside the car!). Mazda stated many times that they don't think EVs make sense (before the MX-30), that's why they are one of the few companies still trying to revolutionise the combustion engine, unfortunately their Skyactiv-X engine didn't live up to the hype and has disappeared into mediocrity.
Funny about Tom - simliar to another car company that also doesn’t believe in electric cars.....you know, BMW, the maker of the other weird and impractical EV, the i3 !!!
@@Nicholas.T The thing is, the i3 is 7 years old! When EVs were a niche product that only a few companies believed in. It's a different time now, with EVs making up 14% of the German market this year. It's not acceptable to release a brand new car like the i3 these days, especially not at that price. I also think it's pretty lazy that BMW wants to keep the i3 until 2024, also the i3 (120ah) has nearly double the realistic range than the mx-30 (even if it's a weird and impractical car).
This is the kind of car a legacy automaker would make if it didn't want its own clients to buy it, imho.
Hi rob. I love you and the show. Thanks you so much for doing it. Just a little tip for your editors. Im a video editor and ive noticed that most of your videos have bad sound mixing. The problem is that the music is often way too loud and the vocal is too quiet in comparrison. Please ask your editors to do a sound check before publishing the video. Sorry for the winge. Hope it helps. Love you guys.
Beautiful design! The car looks superb.
How did they manage to make the back seats so useless for such a large sized car? What goes through the heads of people who buy cars like this? I don't get it.
It's styled to look like a crossover, but is it actually a super mini? I'm just comparing it against my swift, probably about the same - it's actually 80cm longer and with 100l more boot but doesn't look any bigger
Well, if you're a family of TWO(there's a lot of us out there!) then you don't CARE about the rear seats!
Whereas boot space........
Apparently lot of people has big families in the comment, but surprisingly when I commute, most of the cars I see on the road with me carry only the driver, and sometimes one passenger. I'm OK with the range, since it helps having a car priced like a mid-range city car.
Designers of the MX30 should be flogged in public.Sign the petition HERE
In a game of Top Trumps, this would be the card that makes you groan.
Hi Robert and the Team!
Great review! You area my favourite YT channel.
Mazda should also make a larger battery version like Kia/Hyundai, Tesla, VW do.
I want a car that is usuable always, not most of the time.
Making a car only with a small battery is almost like making a car without an airbag which most of the time is never used too. :-)
If you are going to have a battery that small, then you need fast charging. Unfortunately with 50kW max charging, they have missed the mark here. I suspect only Mazda fans will seriously consider it.
It's a shame that this is the best they could do on their first all electric effort. It seems like Mazda's heart really isn't in it and the the team developing the car didn't have the budget they needed.
Unfortunately battery size and charging speed are somewhat positively correlated. I don't think Mazda was particularly interested in making this car at all and it shows. "It was a deliberate choice to make our car less desirable to our target market" sounds like something marketing had to dream up to justify a management decision.
And a Rotary rEx coming in 2022, I really think they have no idea what direction they should be going in.
@@slash196 Gen. 1 Ioniq was 28 kWh and supported ~70 kW
I think they did that intentionally to make it cheaper and there is a big problem with suppliers of batteries
And if you're going to have a battery that small, you also need to counter it with a very high efficiency: at almost 180 Wh/km, there goes another missed mark from Mazda.
The ONLY reason I'm excited about this is the reintroduction of the rotary engine!
I haven’t been watching most of the car reviews recently but I was curious about what Mazda would do with their first EV.
And it’s exactly what I expected. Lower range for 2020, lower charging speed for 2020, designed like a fossil car, old school dials, no touch screen. And that fake engine sound.
I would be satisfied with that range personally, especially considering how many chargers there are now compared to when I bought my Zoe in 2016. But mainstream buyers won’t bite at that range I don’t think, no matter how good the charging network is. The Honda e can get away with the range and charging because of how cool it is. This car can’t do that.
thats what they want. to make EVs look stupid. this is what you want: Award Winning Design Meets Cutting Edge SKYACTIV Technology.
Er, NOT old school dials!
Actually, digital dials imitating old school dials!!
So - RETRO CHIC. ie COOL.......!!!
@@andymccabe6712 Honde E is retro cool, this is just lazy
@@andymccabe6712 I find digital instruments imitating analogue ones to be old school. I guess Mazda buyers generally like it.
So glad these videos aren’t getting spammed with ads like the podcast episodes. I’ve stopped watching those. 12 - 16 ads in one show is beyond the pale. Hoping my RUclips memberships help to keep these with only 1 or 2 ads.
This car would have been a respectable entry into the EV market 4 years ago.
Pretty much every EV also has regen in the braking pedal. It doesn’t mean you’re using the physical brakes
IN trolleybusses and trams that's industry standard. You press brake pedal to slow down, but most likely it goes into regen.
@cresbydotcom Never heard of this problem with Solaris trolleybusses in Riga :)
There was another problem with few BKM units, that followed different design approach, and had brake and accelerator placed in such a way that you need to use different legs to press them. It used to be common approach by certain manufacturers, but Riga never used their products before. In fact, most our driver got used to old Škoda 14Tr and 15Tr (and older ones remembered 9Tr) where you had 3 pedals - electric brake, pneumatic brake and accelerator. So naturally, design difference resulted in few rear-endings :)
This would be a great car to buy 2nd hand. The value after new will plummet with that battery and 50kwh charging.
Good call. This will look very unappealing in a second hand market.
In real life testing it doesn't even reach 50kW but has a peak of 37ish kW, it's that embarassing
I'm not convinced of the argument for the small battery. Seems most likely they saw both the need to enter the EV market quick, and a difficulty to obtain enough cells/battery packs, IMHO. Then they imagined a questionable scenario di justify it.
Its like saying. “Wear shorts to save on fabric “. Sorry sometimes I need long pants This car is a fail. When a new ev has less range than a leaf it is a fail
True thats why this will also come with a wankel engine as a range extender, same as i3 rex.
I agree, my first thought was about battery supply issues.
Agreed. I want at least a 500 mile range to eliminate any trace of "range anxiety" along with extremely rapid recharging on a standardized network of charging stations. That's what you really need if you want EV's to catch on with the general public -- even though EV enthusiasts try convince themselves otherwise.
Thanks for your comment about the heads up display.
Full lifecycle emissions is absolutely the right way to go when assessing environmental impact. You cant simply ignore the fact that the upstream side of producing anything has an impact!
I hope they'll give up on that CO2 reason and put bigger batteries in their future models. I would really love an electric version of CX-5 (MX-5?) with a range over 400km. And Mazda, please put a proper door in the back...
I love this channel.
This red is by far the most beautiful color in the world!
As a former Mazda 6 owner, I like that they finally come out with an electric car for Europe. This particular car is not for my 5 person family, but i hope they replace the 6 and the bigger SUV:s soon.
I wouldn’t consider anything with less than 200 miles range, 250 is the sweet spot I feel.
same here, everytime i go out i do more than 200miles as in my job i drive long distances but hell even my partner does over 100 miles a day to get to her work and back home, yeah you can use this car for that type of trip but if suddenly you need to go somewhere else after work your F^%KED
If you have never driven a Mazda, you NEED to drive one of their sports cars.
I loved the Miata, but the MX-30 is a steaming pile of horseshit.
@@wermagst I was spoiled from the get go. My first car was an FC rx-7
Reliable and humurous, the kind of resource I'm looking for!
Ah, Mazda’s of ‘green-wash’ marketing, keeping the art of the ‘ground up’ compliance vehicle alive.
A big bonnet for an imaginary engine.
For the PHEV version...
I agree Nic. A big bonnet for a car that’s designed from the ground up for EV doesn’t make sense. The back legroom comfort is clearly a lesser requirement than being able to put a combustion engine in the front for markets that won’t move across to Ev’s in the next 10 years.
@Flex En Masse "what were they thinking" - probably that it'd look fugly with a little tiny bonnet, and no-one would buy it. I actually quite like the front end, would like to see that on a normal saloon/estate version.
@Flex En Masse there will be a version with an ICE in it to extend the range. Mostly for countries like the US where the distances are a lot larger compared to EU countries
@@theelectricmonk3909 my point was that to absolutely disregard the ability to carry 4 or 5 people in the car against an aesthetic perception shouldn’t be what EVs are about. Ideally for countries and populations that can afford a number of cars per household the EV reduces the need for more by being utilised better and being more efficient. This is just a rather expensive addition to what we have already and doesn’t carry half the capacity of a vehicle a lot smaller. It’s only an opinion but I think this car is a complete fail on the concept of what an EV is. By the way I do also like the look of it, but don’t see the vision.
I cant see why used buy this over a 40kw leaf. Same price and leaf has more range and more room inside.
A leaf dosen't scream mid life crisis like this does..
Leaf battery is trash after 5 years
@@phlegmatic123 Leaf has an 8 year 100,000 mile warranty.
@@phlegmatic123 not 5, it can easily last 10 and I’ve seen 8 year old leafs with only 2 bars lost. This car isn’t gonna be any better, Mazda made a terrible EV
@@phlegmatic123 Rubbish my Leaf battery was still 95% OK after 40K and 6.5 years old!!!
Thank you!
There are a few of these city EVs popping up now. I think they are a great idea, and city range tends to be far more than the quoted (pick your favourite test cycle) range. Honda and MINI went the same way, and produced cracking cars. The cheaper end may well get more people into EVs which is a good thing. Not every car needs to go 5000 miles per charge at 200mph (although I would love one that did :) ) and limiting the battery to a useful level for 99%+ of trips is a clever idea. Keep up the good work!
This car is the result of less than half hearted effort.
Oh oh mr boss, we need electric car. Okay lets copy that i3 and put it in any housing.
Agreed. The looks aren't very mazda either they've copied multiple other brands
I can't work out who it is for. A big car with no room in the back that can't really go very far.
Guan Sim Teh I still go on feeling is in Electrical Cars Range is still King!
@@Muppetkeeper It's for the market of people who like doing test drives at the weekend.
200km range seems awfully limited, not even enough to go camping for the weekend, you'd barely get out of the suburbs in a major city before you'd have to turn around and go back.
So it's a large City-car/Suburban-car for the soccer mums?
(Just for some context I live on the Western suburbs of my local city and the distance to the North Coast area is about 140 to 160km one way, and the distance to South Coast area is about 100 to 120km one way, and the nearest decent camping to the West is anywhere from about 50 to 100km one way minimum.)
Sorry, why would you turnaround and go back? 200km sounds perfect for you actually. You do know you can charge up from any power point at or near your destination. Or just stop for 1/2hr on the way there or back to recharge.
@@joeloss3476 Real camping spots don't have power outlets.
(A SUV/4x4 should have enough range to go camping without filling up, like it's not like local camping is a full road trip)
@@crowaust Yes but you can charge up on the way there or back.
@@joeloss3476 And spend more time charging than driving? I'm pretty sure that Australia doesn't have that many fast chargers, so you'd be slow charging most of the time.
@@crowaust I think you'd be surprised how many there are already. I guess if adding an extra break of between 10 to 80 minutes (depending on the type of charger on the way to your destination, 150 to 22kW) will ruin you weekend then fair enough, it's not enough range for you.
good review! like allweys!
I ordered one for myself! I wait for August to receive it.
I live on an island and I can't imagine a better car for my needs.
really, it's not all about speed or range. This is a car with an excellent value for money.
I'm a little annoyed, those revues, where cars are redicuralized based on aspects that are far from defining a car by itself.
hug from the Azores Portugal
An interesting first EV from Mazda. I think you're right about the battery size being the one potential stumbling block. We'll see next year when it goes on sale in the UK.
On a car that's nearly 2 tons and 4 meters...what keeps designers from adding the 10-20 cm extra that make the rear seat adult friendly?
Robert, the rear doors are like the Mazda RX-8 had. no need to even get close to BMW on that point :-D
Robert another informative and entertaining presentation for the MX30. Agree with previous comments the lack of rear space is a serious omission. Also agree that Mazda have tried ( and succeeded) in keeping a conventional SUV shape which you do mention. Is this a bad thing? Yes if losing out on essential rear space. Agree Mazda have played safe but the lower battery output is just too limited. Even a 50 Kw would be ticking the boxes for most potential buyers. I know you will say it comes down to real world use but perspective buyers do not want to think of a couple of average trips out and having to think about recharging for the longer trip they may suddenly have to do. Good price and adds to choice just wouldn’t make it to my shortlist. Keep up the good work.
Another nice vehicle and well presented
LOVE Mazdas, I've had 5, I think they're the ultimate affordable drivers car. But I think I'll be skipping this one. And honestly, unless they can produce an EV with better range and more practicality soon, I may be done with Mazdas for awhile. Or at least until I can afford/justify a 3rd car at which point I'll happily drive a Miata again.
The sweet spot for EV batteries is between 50kWh and 65kWh.
36kWh is stupid, IMO, they just didn't secure the supply in time, then made up a story about why their EVs are crap... same range as Dacia Spring. 🤦♂️
Dacia Spring might have more range. Will see today when it is revealed.
36 kWh is fine... If it's an urban car, like the Seat Mii, Honda E, etc. For this it's absolutely outdated.
Mazda is taking this EV thing as a joke. Shake because they're an amazing brand.
As I already mentioned before, you can't get a 50kWh battery in that price range. It costs around 18k gbp in hungary as I suppose you know ;) and a bunch of other countries (like germany..) and how on earth could you compare it to the spring? 3.6m vs 4.4m length, 33kW vs 105kW, made in china vs made in japan, mobile toilet materials vs premium materials and build quality, shall i continue? :) so i'm more than happy to have the chance to buy it, since i don't give a damn about range over a 100miles, since i'm not a courier nor a taxi driver, and for longer journeys i use the cayenne (i think we can agree, that every family needs a nice sounding v8 for the weekend :)) )
The Dacia will probably be priced more correct.
Awesome awesome .. Ian easy been waiting for Mazda ev suv ...I already have Mazda 6 and I love it ...when is it coming to Us
I really like that contrasting roof color.
Mazda had those doors on the RX-8 years before the i3 had them...
Practically unusable rear seating is a deal breaker. You know something is wrong with the design when a compact SUV has similar or less leg room then a compact city car like the e-up, mii or citigo.
my dad had a mazda for 10 years (250.000 km) he never change or repair anything besides filters, Oil and tires, now he has two Mercedes and both had to be repair at some point (minor issues). Mazda reliability is impressive.
Love the expression at 11:04. More than a test drive.
The Japanese carmakers really want to hamstring their EV's this is not a small car 4.4M , so another compromised EV from Japan.
Errr. That's the same length as a Ford Focus.
To every fair minded person, that is a small car.
Because they’re not interested in ditching their fossil fuel divisions, especially Honda. Toyota are dragging heals on EVs, they’ve stated they’re interested in hydrogen combustion conversion.
@@calorus compared to the ford focus or even my corsa-e it's compromised, with such a small battery in a car designed to be an EV it's almost like it's built to be unpractical.
All these cars are built to offset carbon emissions for the entire range, not compete with any car within it.
Once the ICE is banned, you’ll see some nicer looking, more practical vehicles turn up.
@@sterlingarcher4989 I would be surprised if they sell enough of these to make their EU targets
So...a quality design and fitment, and seems to be electric as an afterthought. For a theoretical $30,000.00 at the lower end in 2021, why? Its benefits are only relevant in comparison to another car in this category. That would be the model 3, obviously, at 37,900.00, today.
I'd like to buy a model 3 but there are lots of unpaved roads here in Sweden, and the small Teslas have too little ground clearance. This is a disappointing release though; I'm looking forward to the Citroen e-C4 instead.
You haven’t lived until you drop the top on an MX-5 and go for a spirited drive down a twisty country lane! My lord man! Where have you been?!?
Yep and internal combustion. Love my 1995 1.8iS 👍😁
thanks!!!
That fake sound would drive me crazy. It’s terrible and intrusive
It's not as intrusive in real life. I hardly noticed it while testdriving the car.
@@Tjomsasen That’s a relieve it sounded horrible. I would expect an electric car to be nearly silent. There are also ICE cars on the market with fake engine noise it’s pretty pathetic
Some governments and mandating audible revs from electric cars for safety reasons. If people could choose from a list or create their own sounds (with limits on volume) this could be more tolerable or even enjoyable. Imagine your favourite song playing
@@Poitda31 Yes but you can build systems that produce that sound in ways that the user of the vehicle will never hear unless they happen to be outside of the car.
@@Poitda31 yes but what's stupid with this regulation, in city drive, at red lights, a Renault Zoe makes more noise outside than a Clio with a modern petrol engine. When you're in Paris, most of the sound pollution comes from diesel. When a small hatchback drives by with a Petrol engine, it makes no sound. If we add different sounds to EVs, cities are going to face a new type of sound pollution.
I test drove it. Did like the interior but don't like the outside design. Also its tech felt outdated (bouncy LKA, old infotainment, start button, ...). One also notices on a lot of the car how it is a conplianve car, not an EV from ground up. Also for my needs I'd like a bigger battery around 50-60kWh.
Finally I hate the sound it makes on the inside, silence is on of the strong points of an EV and than they make that shitty sound that I couldn't find if you can disable it.
I prefered ID.3 in every aspect except interior quality of materials (and that as an owner of 2 Mazdas)
Well - I've yet to progress to owning a car WITH a start button(I'd love that....) so...........!!
@@andymccabe6712 I prefer how Tesla, Polestar 2 or ID.3 handle it: Just sit in it put in D and drive. No need to "start an engine" in aN EV
Iam sure a third party company will put a 100kwh battery on it in a few years.....
@@Slebonson huh? How is a third party going to reingineer the cooling path and rewrite all of the proprietary software? Why would anyone bother to do all of that on such an ugly vehicle? They wont sell many of them and will use it as an excuse to say they cant do EVs.
@@patreekotime4578 Don't worry your pretty little head I don't plan on buying one.
Seemingly impressive car from Mazda. The doors are nothing new from Mazda, as the "suicide" door principal was used on the last rotary engine model they produced the RX8. I owned an RX8 for four years, and the build quality was excellent. Thanks for the video, I'm now a subscriber.
Would love to get one of these. Looks good, cheap, and Mazda's are well made. The range is a factor for me as, once we're back to normal, I would need to commute to a head office 280 miles away. The car would make that easily enough, but I wouldn't be confident on the charging network. Having just a touch more range would give me a little bit more confidence and options in route planning.
I really don't need an artificial "engine" sound in an EV, unless it's designed to drown out an annoying sound that the EV motors might translate into the cabin.
PS: I think I'd rather buy a used later variant (longer range) VW eGolf over this Mazda.
Agree. Anytime I hear the engine sound I just roll my eyes and think STUPID.
Fake engine sound can be good to know what's going on though. Mazda is keen on mechanical feedback, and without an ICE it gets kind of numb. You don't NEED it, but I think I'd like it over nothing at all.
@@skagerstrom at least give an option of turning it off.
True issue, not mentionned is the relatively slow power of charge; no more than 50 kWh, apparently.
Small battery, lower charging speed. Even the ID 3 with the smallest battery gets like 50kw of max charging.
All that counts is the way you want to use your car.
For everyday driving, this is more than suitable, since i never do more than a 100miles a day, and for longer trips i use the cayenne or the mx5. it costs ~£18k here in hungary, and you can't get anything else for this amount in the same category (compact SUV), especially when you take into account: materials used, build quality, safety and looks :) and one more thing, maybe i'm old, but for me it means something, if a car is made in japan :)
I do know that this car is not for everyone, but i hope reading this will make it easier to accept that it can be a good choice for some.
One advantage to a larger battery is that the load on individual cells is reduced, which should result in a longer battery pack life.
Honda and Mazda have taken a very strange approach to EV’s!
The Honda E i can understand. It is pure city "shopping cart" car. Made as such, sized as such and emphasizing stuff like large steering lock for small turn radius. They optimized for a specific niche. It means it won't be a general seller, but given optimizing for a target audience might see some success for it's target. Ofcourse if they want to overall stay in car business.... They better come up with more models to the EV range, but The E isn't crazy proposition for a niche car.
This MX30? is not fish nor fowl. It has too small battery compared to competition to be long range commute or general use car. However it is way too big and has huge overhand in front meaning it doesn't have the maneuverability and urban usability.
@@aritakalo8011 Yeah, Honda E looks like a great intro for Honda into making EV. Start small and do the research. Pity they didn't take lessons from Tesla, Nissan and others. They'd be much further along by now.
@Harry M it still looks great.
"I've never driven a Mazda before" sir you have been missing out
I do like Mazdas, some really nice design details. Love the cork trim pieces. Battery size is an interesting decision. I can see that if a car with this range fits into your life, just like the Honda E and Mini electric, that’s fine. The problem is the state of charging in the UK and Ireland doesn’t well support longer journeys in cars with limited range. If we get to a stage where you can reliably stop at any service station and rapid charge at 50kw or faster, then small batteries can work. Right now when chargers are either busy or broken it’s a problem.
When Mazda launched their HCCI engine, they said that BEV and HV would not help them reduce emissions fast enough. Good to see them developing an EV.
That door configuration was in the Mazda RX-8 from 2002.