For me, and pvp speaking, Shaman is the hardest to play because so many buttons but its the most rewarding because of the same reason. Anyway, Im playing disc this season because I need to relax and its the easiest one right now.
I think fistweaver is not that easy when you played mistweaver before but its kinda fun when you get into it. Disc feels nice yeah maybe difficult but not like before and resto shaman has the „cloud totem „ what makes it a bit difficult (for me) but otherwise i would say all are nice to play and when you play a bit consistently then all healers are not that hard and you can learn it.
Ive been restro druid for past 10 years .. and i deffo NOT enjoy the game anymore as a healer .. its ALL about min/max all the time in this exp .. there is no room for having a good time .. its for fast young fingers .. not for older guys like myself ..
I absolutely love catweaving as rdruid, but I really only feel safe doing it when I know there arent any damage spikes coming, which feels rare in M+ pugs when people regularly get hit by stuff they shouldnt and don't use personals
came here looking for exactly this sort of video, appreciate the work you put in. i used to love my paladin, before it was changed to be dps to heal. havent touched holy on it since then
I agree with the Resto Druid ranking. It seems to be the most "mis-played" healer that I've seen. It still does fairly well if you play it simply, but to play it well, not easy for a new player.
I just came back to this game after several expansions away, and I played all the healer classes to max level. All I can say is that there "used to" be easy healers. Now even the simpler ones use twice as many abilities to do the same things, and a huge amount of total healing is tied to cooldowns. All the healers have half a dozen or more important cooldowns, and they make or break you. And they want us to DPS now, too.
I'm also coming back from Legion, I played monk heavily in Legion, dabbled in priest, shaman, druid. Plus lots of dps specs. Real life called me away for bfa and shadowlands. Came back at the start of season 2. So many more spells. Geez holy priest spec and class spells take up 3 full bars. I have no room for yak, pots, food! Had to make a 4th sidebar for more keybinds. I'm way too dyslexic/dyscalculiac for all this. Everyone has too much and some of it seems redundant. How many different types of aoe heals does a priest need? How many different cooldowns? I think either mechanics of content should be complicated or mechanics of our class, not both. I liked having a simpler play style while I could focus on the mechanics of content.
@@calamity0.o I have a feeling this debate has probably taken place a million times in the last 10 years in WoW. I also have the 3+ bars of abilities that all feel like I should be using them regularly. I'm just not that good. To some degree (taking Shaman for example) I could just spam Healing Surge and Chain Heal and ignore everything else. I'd kinda stink, but it would suffice for some content. I could add 4 or 5 more spells to my rotation and be significantly better. I could get good at popping a few different cooldowns at the right moments. But at some point it feels like it hits big diminishing returns. Spells like Primordial Wave can only be used once or twice a minute and are only marginally better than something else you could be doing in that GCD. High complexity on healers (and tanks as well) makes groups very vulnerable where its not quite so dangerous to DPS. A tricky moment in a fight or mentally getting stuck figuring out which of 9 cooldown options is best for the situation can cause a wipe. Whereas DPS can simply take their foot off the gas for 5 seconds, focus purely on the encounter, and the group's total damage just dipped 0.1%...which does not generally cause a wipe. On the other hand, I'm sure those 800 days /played uber veteran healers who never stopped playing need every bit of challenge to stave off boredom at this point.
@@DrewBoivie This summarizes the healer headache. 3 or 4 rows of buttons, fight mechanics, everything to heal and not just players, and purge plus dispell...waaaaay too much!
I reached 3.2k io as mw last season and I'd say they are not to bad to pick up. About getting out of fealine - remember it's a buff with a time limit. So you can roll back to the faeline to get the buff then roll back to the mobs. Only spinning needs to be on top of the fealine. I'd say the difficulty is getting used to when you can depend on your kicks and when you may need to shaelone or spam tank. Overall a super fun spec and probably not as difficult to pick up then what the video perceives but then again I don't play all of the healing specs.
In raid it's easily one of the hardest specs in the game too which kinda makes it hard to pick up if you're planning on doing all content with it. I don't think it's too hard in M+ though.
I think you ranked mistweaver pretty good. One of the difficulties of mistweaver is positioning and dealing with healing the group while forced out of melee. Mistweaver is in that regard one of the only healers (next to Resto Druid when not prehotting for flourish) that will pump out close to zero healing during your cooldown, when played wrong. Also mistweaver has an extreme trickle down effect when not keeping renewing mists out and rising sun kick on cooldown
One thing I think people forget as well with mw is not only can you not leave melee you are also very squishy. (I know they've tried address this abit in 10.2 but I'm not sure how good they did)
@@ajax_watches oh nice I'll check it out. I found last season once I got to do doing 20's on my mw I had to be very very careful. Got one shot alot. Or big chunks of health would go missing where others would loose 20-30% kinda thing
I 424 ilvl boosted my mw and geared it to 435 something and pugged my way to +19 this week, and it felt nigh immortal. Like expel harm healing me for 160k+ on avg on a 15 second cd feels like cheating. Alongside very good magic defensive options, bounce back and dampen you got some really solid buttons.
If you're doing easier keys like 20s or below, and you probably are if you're worried about difficulty, MW is veeeery easy. You can really ride Sheilun's to smooth over any mistake, that thing is kinda insane. It's only when you get into higher keys that you really start needing to get the most out of Chi Ji and the spec becomes difficult.
i like the idea behind the disc changes, but tying schism to mindblast totally removes Twilight Equilibrium, and TE was the only thing that was keeping the typical disc cast priority interesting, and now it's a completely dead capstone. I think they need to remove schism, return Mind Blast 2 charge and short CD, and give either a slight compensatory atonement healing buff OR give us another shadow filler spell.
Yeah the new changes don't really synchronise well with the existing talents. TE added difficulty, but now with a dimplier spec it could fit in well if only we had more viable shadow spells.
No thanks, remove TE and put some interesting capstone (I don't use ANY in raid, and only Mindbender in M+). Game play is finally rewarding and I have space to put some utility spells like mindcontrol on my bars now....
I think press evoker(swapping off evoker this tier) is quite hard and it depends on how far you want to push it, echos in raid can be a pain as you can't heal other is you're setting up ramps. Stasis is similar and it was common to stack 3 Temporal anomalies into a stasis on mythic Sark, that means no big heals for like 30+ seconds, which can often result in deaths, not reaching melee when ranged stacked can be a pain. Long cast times for spirit bloom can often result in deaths, especially if it's a TA -> SB. Keeping uptime on Flow State for timings especially during stasis ramping is quite annoying as cooldowns tend not to align great. Meanwhile if you just click buttons you might do... Okay? It depends on what you want to do, if you just spam echos and TAs, then charge big spiritblooms in normal raids you will do great but optimizing it is really hard imo. (Coming from a retro druid main since vanilla pre DF expansion) Edit: swapping to MW monk as this is the tier where they might be more meta than usual plus having a monk for mythic raid is basically mandatory ;)
As a mid-lvl healer (M+20 last season) I have found disc massively easier to take on and play than resto druid. Disc is so fluid and everything is logical with nice button presses. Druid requires more know-how and decision making and way more effort in general. I have only played disc and resto to that level so I cannot comment on the rest, but I'd have resto at C and disc at A from my experience. Just my two cents, as maybe as a pro you may not realize the difficulties normal players face :)
I’m coming back to the game and wonder how I can maintain atonement and do enough damage to heal. I was hoping it would be easy, but looks confusing and stressful.
I will NOT go catweaving with my Resto druid - if I want to be in melee range I will use my holy pally. I love the ranged healing with moonkin/resto mix - absolutely easy to manage. I hate feral play anyway too rogue-like for me (kitty rogue). I likely will not go past M+ (10-12) - I won't put up with PUG nightmares and my guildies don't go higher anyway.
I thought I was doing a really good job as a Resto Druid, until I did a raid one day with another Resto druid who was lower item level than me and out healed me almost 3 times. I realize that I had no idea what ramping was, and after trying to learn how to do it, I gave up, and now I play paladin and priest.
Healing is not that black and white if you heal 1 mil and 500k is overhealing you have a lot of ways you can improve. As long as your team is alive don’t focus on heals in numbers. But rather review where you did some overhealing and where you could use some damage skills instead of parsing heals
Healing stream totem instead of cloud burst is very under rated imo. I think with when mixed with some of the talents it is way better than ppl realize. Between healing rain and a healing stream you will cover pretty much all incidental dmg and can spend a lot more time doing dmg to help out.
Resto Druid B in raid and C or difficult in M+. You spoke on it but in M+ a Resto Druid will have to try the hardest out of all the healers in order to min/max healing to dpsing and knowing when to switch back and forth.
Resto shaman is really fun to play and thats why I play it. cloudburst is great. With totemic recall it can be very powerful considering other totems you might need.
Mistweaver can stay in difficult because in a regular pug group at the 18-20 range there are not so many big pulls and in that case spin to win won't work, you need to use the proper rotation. Also without range increase, you can die from frontal, trying to get close to a mob to interrupt.
I’ve been tanking for a while, but have considered going healer. I was going to go resto Druid, and was trying to wrap my head around all the healing spells when I realized in order to properly dps you have to cat weave, and I quit. I used to quite enjoy holy priest years ago, I might dabble in that
May be it is the easiest - it may perhaps be the most "old fashioned" and straight forward, and also it may have have a life as a rollercoaster in terms of whether it's good or bad. But my gods - I love my Holy Priest.
I am wanting to play a healer as an Alt. I tried disc priest and felt overwhelmed and it was not fun. Started looking at Mistweaver, but it appears to have button bloat and require a higher skill ceiling for a new healer
I main resto druid and I have played every healer in 10.3 to different degrees and mostly agree with this list. Resto shammy feels like easiest tbh bc there’s so few healing buttons compared to other healers and it doesn’t keep me engaged. Holy priest is straightforward once you know what your heals do so it’s my sit back and relax healer in raids. I’d put MW monk and resto druid both at C rank. They feel equally challenging to play, require ramps, and have a good amount of button bloat (I have 36 key binds for my druid and I feel like I still need more!). Mana management in raids for druid has been a bit of a nightmare, particularly for long drawn out fights, but after adjusting the style I’ve got it mostly under control. I’m very much enjoying catweaving in M+, but swapping back and forth between forms and knowing when it’s safe to do so takes a lot of practice!
This is interesting hearing everyone's opinions about Mistweaver. This whole time I thought it was pretty easy, but I also haven't done high keys or anything past heroic raids with it, so I might still have a lot to learn
It's almost as difficult as disc if you're min/maxing. The great part about the class is theres a few different builds that play totally different, that are all competitive. The issue is, the highest HPS build is incredibly difficult. Rampings like a disc, but you're in melee.
Druids are a tough call here. Grove Guardians are really interesting for M+ (though still pretty inadequate in >20 keys), but the flourish nerf is brutal in raid. Maybe it'll feel better once tier and stats level out, but right now the GG raid play feel pretty inferior to S2 style Resto Play. Kitty weaving is hands down the hardest damage to do as a healer. It should be buffed to do sick damage if you have the skill to pull it off.
I'm currently doing +18-19 dungeons as Resto Druid. In Raids (Heroic) I'm always topping the meters and that is with the Incarnation + Grove guardians. A little off meta, going for all 4 bottom skills to compliment the tierset and mana savings (dual lifebloom in raids + clearcasting and you save twice the mana you would have gotten from rashok's trinket. It makes it free, 30+ stronger and with the 4p you also heal other players. For Dungeons, flourish feels bad, but it is very similar to how strong it was in previous expansions. You have to rethink the skill a little and think of it as a hot-extender 'that also makes your hots 25% stronger', it can save a group (still) while you focus on spothealing. The lower cooldown makes up for it. What people don't yet fully realize is that Resto druid - right now - is INSANE, low key overpowered. Combined with our mastery (running 45% haste and ~20% mastery) we have so many combo skills that just stack on top of each other. I've only been beaten once on the meters right now, and that was done by another Resto. In M+ our damage with 465 gear should be a combination of catweaving a full dot cycle, and then when you have all cooldowns close to 15-20 seconds, you switch to boomkin and throw in 2-4 starfire's. You'll be hitting between 50-80k dps, and I've done higher. On difficult fights however, our damage drops drastically. Where 15-20k is on the higher side. We can easily finish +18 dungeons now with 30-50k overal dps, and still keep everyone alive. Our kit has never been as dynamic and combo sensitive as it ever has before. I absolutely love it.
I'd be curious how your co-healers are parsing if you are topping the meters. I typically parse heroic content in the 70's, and our Disc priest will typically parse in the 50's. He's out HPSing me by a good 15-20k with a much lower parse. We have a Holy Paly that reliably parses in the high 80's low 90's and he just crushes on the meters (40-50k HPS ahead of me).@@douwe4254
As a newer player I truly wish resto Druid was more intuitive and easy to play because it looks so much fun and I love my night elf Druid but I feel I don’t do any damage as balance nor any healing as resto :( most times in LFR where I’m learning how to heal in an raid, I stare at all these spells that don’t provide raid wide heals unless the one that has 3min cooldown lol I’ve an holy character too, ty for the video I might give it a try again but I’m sticking to dps with my bm hunter because fighting in this game is overly complicated for no reason 😅
Have you looked at any guides? Granted I've been playing it for ages, but honestly I have always found it really intuitive. Rejuvs should be sprinkled around, lifebloom on tanks or other raiders that are taking lots of damage, wild growth before a raid-wide damage phase. Keep mushroom up at all times. Tranq and regrowth (unless you've procced clearcasting) are sort of your 'oh shit' buttons. Mouse over macros are a must.
Yeah Im so happy cat form got buffed. I feel easier to catweave than playing boomy in M+. Come patch boomy bursted 200k on aoe with convoke, and feral felt meh against 100k wrath crits. Also cast time in balance as a healer can take alot of time, compared to cat combos and rip and trash bleeds. Catweaveing is more optimal for M+ imo. All in all I agree with this tier list more or less. 👍
I think the "most difficult" parts of generic prevoker gameplay are the risky moments linked to your big heals. You literally have two big aoe buttons, spiritbloom and dream breath and both have a LONG cast time. When you use those to heal your group, the group members can get into risky close to death situations while you are loading up that spiritbloom. Also the inability to just throw a single heal to someone who needs it while you are ramping/prepping with echos for the whole group is something that adds a layer of difficulty to the class. Obviously learning how to use statis, emerald communion, verdant embrace+lifebind and generic echo preps are things one must spend some time researching and practicing through trial and error. And remember to shout to your ranged dps's to not fucking stand 40 yards away and behind you. My comment on resto druid difficulty is that the healing itself on it is super easy. The only hard part is mastering the dps (in m+). Weaving all the dots, cat stuff and still be properly prepped to deal with incoming to damage to heal through it. I played prevoker, resto shaman and mistweaver last season. This season I'm going to go with two healers, mistweaver and disc. I'm really comfortable with mistweaver, but I haven't really played since priest since shadowlands so there will be an adjusting period for me on that one.
It's funny, I find proactive healers easier to play. There is the initial investment of learning boss mechanics, but I feel more in-control as a proactive healer. Reactive healing makes me anxious for some reason. Been swapping between disc and resto most of the time, and they feel comfy to me in a way the "easy healer" holy never has.
I'd personally put Prevoker mid B tier. It does need some knowledge in stasis and how things work together, but its easy enough to pick up and their rotation feels comfortable and easy to play quite quickly (from my personal experience anyway), hardest thing about them is for sure the range limitations. I'd agree with the rest as a cross-the-board R&M+ list though. I play all healers but am currently maining Mistweaver and it has similar workings to disc (and partially with rdrood) with having to know the synergy between abilities and knowing when to ramp up/counter abilities with it being proactive, so I'd prob put it in difficult too due to that. It's not something you could just pick up and get straight away like you could with the more reactive healers like hpriest or rsham. I'm looking forward to seeing how this season goes for healers.
B fine for RFesto Duird, if your an old guard Duid that play the last few expansion you will be fine and maybe even fine it easyer than last season. if your new to resto Druid, I think you will had a bad time at first and go oom a lot, learning curve is step at first.
People think adding another button to press/keep track of made resto Druid easier? They nuked flourish to make room for it so instead of a strong cd, we got a bunch of weaker things to keep track of. I like the change but a bunch of small heals is harder to play around than one big one in my opinion.
Agreed. Keeping track of the guardians (always trying to have at least one up to not waste them, keeping track of how many I have available, summoning them at the right times to optimise the auto wild growth cast) is taking up a a much bigger part of my brainpower than one flourish every minute and a half. And we still have the flourish and it's on reduced cd. I'm just ending up macro-ing some of the cds together to simplify it. Even if the guardians can be helpful I wouldn't say they make playing Resto Druid easier. But I also haven't played with the full tier set yet.
I keep seeing tierlists like this and have realized I'm biased and think resto druid is easy. Given, I have been playing it for most of my wow career, but even with the button bloat of like shadowlands I still found it easy enough to play and fun to try and optimize. I have recently picked up disc priest and thats been one hell of a ride! I'd say in mythics druid is defo easier than disc. I've played every healing spec but holy priest so I have fun learning the nuance of each class and I think all of them are worth trying once if you like healing. But thats also coming from an altoholic LOL
As a MT, I want to clarify that he is not talking about which healer is "better" with this list because I have seen plenty of Holy priest fail miserably in low keys and evokers absolutely smashing high keys...
Mw monk is the most fun healer to play. It makes the game into a high apm action game. I can take a nap between casts on something like a resto shaman 😅
Imo mistweaver has to be in the difficult tier. No other class has to drastically change their spec from m+ to raid. Going from a literal melee class to a caster is crazy. So fun tho
I don't like catweaving at all. If I want to play as a cat, I will play feral. Although catweaving got massive buffs, starfire and wrath also got buffs so I am curious to see how the overall dps varies between just catweaving and just using boomkin spells. I think Resto druid is a lot easier than Holy Pally. A huge part of what makes Paladin so powerful is how much utility it has (more buttons to press). The range limits on Prevoker by itself make it one of the hardest healers to play in PUGs. I think MW Monk is the most difficult because of needing to constantly stay in melee and do dps and it has so many different buttons and interactions with each other. Disc Priest is simpler now, but you still need to do healing through dps. I think if you are a new healer, it is much more difficult to play a heal through dps style. When health bars get low, it's so hard to catch up and you need to keep swapping targets.
Previously, I wouldn't PUG with disc in M+. It was too difficult for me to tackle the difficult situations. Post changes, it's become quite a bit easier, and the overall rotation feels much better. I'm much more confident bringing disc into M+ in S3. It certainly isn't S/A tier, but it could be bumped up to B, I think.
@@Michael-bu7ni bbro, I was able to make 20 stones without any problem in season 2 with discipline and he did more damage than other healers, he was no better than a paladin, that's for sure. But he was in a good place. Maybe you don't see him as a tier A. Was booton bloat complicated for you? because for most of the professionals in season 3 it will be a tier A
@@devouringfamine2427 I'm thinking about the new player going disc while learning all the new damage patterns on a proactive healer. Gonna be tough at first but glad you had success with it.
@@Michael-bu7ni The damage rotation was not complicated, almost like that of a dps, which is normal. The druid has a more complicated damage rotation. Those who fail in this spec are the ones who start casting flash heal when they see that someone dies and that It's not good. It's just that there were several things to do. Now it's a bit boring to repeat a lot of smite until you get tired, what was tedious in raid was the ramping
I've played WoW for 18 years and I have never ever tried healing I was always either tanking or dpsing, and now I wanna try it and the only class that seems the most likely choice for me would be priest with the 2 Healing specs that it offers and both holy and disc interest me more than druid, monk, evoker, pally and shaman does. And with 10.2.5 bringing out the new npcs dungeon system I am so totally gonna practice healing and learning my abilities more than having to learn dealing with players who rush through everything, yes LFR can help but I'd rather know my abilities and what they do before then. If I don't like healing then I'll get myself back in the groove of learning to tank again ^.^ but I really wanna try healing sense it seems like there is a "shortage" of healers out there now
I’ve been tanking recently, but have considered dabbling in healing. But I haven’t healed properly since Wrath, and it’s just so nerve wracking to start, since I don’t want to let my group die while I learn. Tanking I could at least get the basics down out in the world. Really hoping the upcoming npc dungeons can be used as a stress free training ground!
@@gif0bi Learn to heal from leveling? Open world content doesn't teach to heal. Running dungeons to level *might* teach you to heal, but more likely you'll just be running after a crazy tank and maybe hitting a few buttons before the mobs die. And if you can learn to effectively heal from running a few heroics, pat yourself on the back. You are an epic gamer. The rest of us will just have to commit to the grind in your shadow.
Rdruid by far the most difficult, disc is rated too difficult I would swap the two. Druid also requires a high level of game knowledge and has a very high skill ceiling
Being resto druid from times of Vanilla I can tell you I missing s lot the burst heal spell "heling touch". Now resto is very much all about HoT and AOE heals and it is really hard for me to top the healing meters.
Well that's the problem with people like you. All you want to do is top meters with useless numbers and for what? bragging rights? Just grow up and play whats fun. No wonder WoW is ruined when it's full of you meta chasers.
There are swiftmend and nature's swiftness, but yeah, they alone aren't enough spothealing a lot of the time. Need to have lots of hots out, know when to expect the most damage and ramp for it, when to use your main CDs and how to combo them. Started in BFA and it took me an expansion and a half to learn it somewhat well. And even then I feel like I suck at the beginning of each tier until I learn the encounters and how best to approach each.
I got back to WoW during Dragonflight Season 2, and played as Disc, it was hard, but rewarding, i did try a few Mythic + with Holy and it was a shit show.... hopefully is better this season, cause it doesn't help being easy if is shit lol
The problem with Disc priest is it's eva ramp is too damn complicated. Sure, when you're fresh in the night, you can swing it. After three hours, youre going to wish you were playing holy. I'm not saying it needs to be as braindead as it was in warlords, but this is too much to be dealing with on top of mechanics. That's before we even talk about being drained from real life responsibilities.
This was my first season ever and I ended rank 28 on my realm as HPAL and I only played for 10 weeks. I'm addicted to healing now. I want to try other healers and want it to be as difficult as possible. Mastering HPal came down to tracking infusions of light, glimmer consumption, and stacks for your free avenging wrath. Adding more difficulty to my glimmers is exciting.
Long time wow player who played all but healing i'd say i'm a decent player but not super good or anything.. i sorta wanna play mw monk though, would i be griefing my healing experience?
I disagree with Hpriest as easiest. When you run out of holy words in M+, you better hope there's no burst damage coming, because you won't be able to heal up spamming flash heal.
I think the tier list is probably fine, I would say Evoker is harder to pick up than MW but Disc is def the hardest even after the rework, for a new player it will be a nightmare to heal keys or raid as Disc.
I've been playing resto druid off and on since og vanilla alternating mains with the other healers. I hate cat weaving ugh. To me it just doesn't feel smooth shrug. It's not the melee part, I love mw faeline build in dungeons. Just never been fond of cat.
Totally agree with you bro. I really liked the buff to the catweaving in rdruid, i really love this playstyle. Ppl underestimate how hard is MW, it hurts a lot to roll away and not being able to punch a kick things.. You should be very carefull with your gcds, Revival aint that good cd, the chiji needs to kick stuff and Sheiluns Gift has a decent casting time even with the talent. Not good as panic buttons.. If you have everything rolling, kicking and punching stuff, interupt stuff etc etc probably the most fun healer, when things go south and you are forced to channel soothing mist you will sweat a lot...
One thing witch I'm not sure how it'll be in 10.2 but that people seem to forget with mw is you can't back out of melee while being one of the most squishy healers
Honesty it is a bad joke that the dps of the healer is a very important feature. The designers should reduce greatly their damage in dungeon and raid, so they can choose freely their talents and playing styles, OR they should be designed that way they can dps with heal, not with the opposite way. One of the most reactive, fun and easy to play healer is the mistweaver using it as a traditional healer, not as a fistweaver.
11:29 Mistweaver - I hate when you cast your faeline stomp and then the dumb ass tank moves the mob so far away that your faeline is shit. Sure, you can move in and out of the stomp but if they are that far out of range that stomp is pointless. Wait for Cd and recast, so annoying. But MW is extremely fun to play + the changes they did to tiger palm and blackout kick make it more fun.
Gotta wait for the deathball. Fae resets proc quick enough, it's not so bad. I just personally do not think faeline should exist as a monk spell at all. It was cute in shadowlands, it should have stayed there.
As a new MW I think you have it ranked wrong. I personally would put it in B. And that because they have things to easily help out in those moments when they can't be in melee. And with roll we can get out and back to our feline really easy. And resetting amd repositioning feline is also really easy to do. Raid is simplified too you really only need 1-2 rising sun kicks during the ramp and everything else is ranged.
@MadskillzzTV i really like your vids but here i have to strongly disagree on some points or to be more precize you are nearly just focussing on the mechanics and on the otherhand you mention "beeing" in melee. Beeing in melee is only really a Problem with certain affixes. But those affixes hurt hard casting healers too. Only healer in my opinion who is loveably easy is resto Druid. Played it as second/third healer for two seasons and even compared to hpriest it is Kind of a joke. you can permanently move with nearly no downsides. Yes, you need some Kind of ramp but who cares? There is nothing that keeps you from doing that. You got good dmg and partially even passive with dots. Buffs, cr, ultra Mobility, good externals etc. Not depending on raid or m+. You can even fail a mechanic on highkeys and still survive. Hpriest is mechanically very easy and clearly the easiest in that Point. But in 22+ you need pitch perfect movement because nearly everything is wrecking you. You got no real externals and the grp burst healing is pretty low, compared to Others and you have to hard cast a lot. In my opinion this should be considered and i wouldnt requests a hpriest for beginners because all this points can be very disappointing. Druid, Pala or Monk (another healer that is pretty easy, not mechanically, but due to there toolkit and beeing totally overtuned in m+ and raid).
I really hate the fact that Mistweaver needs to spend 3 end tier points just to do any respectable damage (Feyline). They need to give MW ranged alternatives. They're a Monk, melee is their thing but in that case it should be part of the kit. Crackling Jade Lightning is a laughable ability that has never seen any use other than to apply Mystic Touch from range. Why not Blizzard? Buff it or remove it.
I think your placement of preservation is way off. I main a resto Druid, and in keys preservation the easiest of all healers.I don’t understand why people think it is difficult at all.
as a old main disc, put disc in difficult is a joke to me, its so fking easy to play now, you have 3 buttons and thats all. i cant understand that ppl can feel disc be hard to play rn.
There shouldnt be an "easy" section at all imo. Playing a good hp in m+ is viable but far from easy. Same goes to raids. If you dont use the synergies right to print and copy these holywords, you will fail badly. Yeah, disc is proactiv. But tbf if you just look up damage pattern its not harder, because you dont have to panic react as a disc and just follow the time stamp, whereas a holy priest has to react fast. I really love both of them, but imo you did holy priest dirty.
@@gilleslapedale0 yes 2 buttons class. You press penance and shadow word death to min max your torments in your shadow covenant window, and then you spam smite in between.
@@governmentghost01 frankly the class feels extremely dull to play and is probably one of the easiest healers to play. Something in between would have been better.
@@cynser2292 i would love to compare my 99th percentile log to yours because my rotation has a steady 9 buttons without counting all the cds. The hardest part of this class is anticipating dmg, knowing all the bosses mechanics and managing your different ramps depending on the mechanic.
I hate these rankings because up to Key 20 and for the HC raid EVERY healer, EVERY TANK and EVERY DD is playable. But you make things harder for people with such rankings because there are always idiots who only go by such lists.
@zerti86 up to 15s* you'll need max gear to compete to 20s. There healing struggles on alot of these dungeons this tier, and there raid healing was mega nerfed.
Its only easy if you play it bad. Holy priest is completly viable of 20 keys but its not easy to master. Thats why Im not a fan of people calling holy priest easy. If you dont understand the synergetic effects and totally different playstyles between hp in raid and m+, you will struggle a lot.@@issacmorris60
Who is the *hardest* healer to play well in 10.2? 🤔
None. All easy
For me, and pvp speaking, Shaman is the hardest to play because so many buttons but its the most rewarding because of the same reason. Anyway, Im playing disc this season because I need to relax and its the easiest one right now.
@@sthfromalbhow can it be rewarding when people dont stay in earthern and link totem? 😃
I think fistweaver is not that easy when you played mistweaver before but its kinda fun when you get into it.
Disc feels nice yeah maybe difficult but not like before and resto shaman has the „cloud totem „ what makes it a bit difficult (for me) but otherwise i would say all are nice to play and when you play a bit consistently then all healers are not that hard and you can learn it.
Ive been restro druid for past 10 years .. and i deffo NOT enjoy the game anymore as a healer .. its ALL about min/max all the time in this exp .. there is no room for having a good time .. its for fast young fingers .. not for older guys like myself ..
I absolutely love catweaving as rdruid, but I really only feel safe doing it when I know there arent any damage spikes coming, which feels rare in M+ pugs when people regularly get hit by stuff they shouldnt and don't use personals
came here looking for exactly this sort of video, appreciate the work you put in. i used to love my paladin, before it was changed to be dps to heal. havent touched holy on it since then
The easiest healer is the one whose team properly kicks, CCs, pops defensives, and avoids obvious damage.
Dps don’t want to kick,can’t dodge adds and boss’s skills,tanks can’t keep alive ,they just wanna fuck healers ,lmao
@@AAKhanivoreplay higher keys to avoid noobs - 18+ is mostly good players :)
That's in a ideal world 😆
I find healers do more in a group than anyone else and have more things to track in their role if you do everything in the tool box right. 🎉
I agree with the Resto Druid ranking. It seems to be the most "mis-played" healer that I've seen. It still does fairly well if you play it simply, but to play it well, not easy for a new player.
I just came back to this game after several expansions away, and I played all the healer classes to max level.
All I can say is that there "used to" be easy healers. Now even the simpler ones use twice as many abilities to do the same things, and a huge amount of total healing is tied to cooldowns.
All the healers have half a dozen or more important cooldowns, and they make or break you.
And they want us to DPS now, too.
Since legion at the latest healers have been expected to dps, but it was still a thing even further back.
I'm also coming back from Legion, I played monk heavily in Legion, dabbled in priest, shaman, druid. Plus lots of dps specs.
Real life called me away for bfa and shadowlands. Came back at the start of season 2.
So many more spells. Geez holy priest spec and class spells take up 3 full bars. I have no room for yak, pots, food! Had to make a 4th sidebar for more keybinds. I'm way too dyslexic/dyscalculiac for all this. Everyone has too much and some of it seems redundant. How many different types of aoe heals does a priest need? How many different cooldowns?
I think either mechanics of content should be complicated or mechanics of our class, not both. I liked having a simpler play style while I could focus on the mechanics of content.
@@calamity0.o I have a feeling this debate has probably taken place a million times in the last 10 years in WoW. I also have the 3+ bars of abilities that all feel like I should be using them regularly. I'm just not that good. To some degree (taking Shaman for example) I could just spam Healing Surge and Chain Heal and ignore everything else. I'd kinda stink, but it would suffice for some content. I could add 4 or 5 more spells to my rotation and be significantly better. I could get good at popping a few different cooldowns at the right moments. But at some point it feels like it hits big diminishing returns. Spells like Primordial Wave can only be used once or twice a minute and are only marginally better than something else you could be doing in that GCD.
High complexity on healers (and tanks as well) makes groups very vulnerable where its not quite so dangerous to DPS. A tricky moment in a fight or mentally getting stuck figuring out which of 9 cooldown options is best for the situation can cause a wipe. Whereas DPS can simply take their foot off the gas for 5 seconds, focus purely on the encounter, and the group's total damage just dipped 0.1%...which does not generally cause a wipe.
On the other hand, I'm sure those 800 days /played uber veteran healers who never stopped playing need every bit of challenge to stave off boredom at this point.
@@DrewBoivie This summarizes the healer headache. 3 or 4 rows of buttons, fight mechanics, everything to heal and not just players, and purge plus dispell...waaaaay too much!
I reached 3.2k io as mw last season and I'd say they are not to bad to pick up. About getting out of fealine - remember it's a buff with a time limit. So you can roll back to the faeline to get the buff then roll back to the mobs. Only spinning needs to be on top of the fealine. I'd say the difficulty is getting used to when you can depend on your kicks and when you may need to shaelone or spam tank. Overall a super fun spec and probably not as difficult to pick up then what the video perceives but then again I don't play all of the healing specs.
In raid it's easily one of the hardest specs in the game too which kinda makes it hard to pick up if you're planning on doing all content with it. I don't think it's too hard in M+ though.
I think you ranked mistweaver pretty good. One of the difficulties of mistweaver is positioning and dealing with healing the group while forced out of melee. Mistweaver is in that regard one of the only healers (next to Resto Druid when not prehotting for flourish) that will pump out close to zero healing during your cooldown, when played wrong. Also mistweaver has an extreme trickle down effect when not keeping renewing mists out and rising sun kick on cooldown
One thing I think people forget as well with mw is not only can you not leave melee you are also very squishy. (I know they've tried address this abit in 10.2 but I'm not sure how good they did)
@@Smolder09 They did extremely well, elixir + bounce back is absurdly strong.
@@ajax_watches oh nice I'll check it out. I found last season once I got to do doing 20's on my mw I had to be very very careful. Got one shot alot. Or big chunks of health would go missing where others would loose 20-30% kinda thing
I 424 ilvl boosted my mw and geared it to 435 something and pugged my way to +19 this week, and it felt nigh immortal. Like expel harm healing me for 160k+ on avg on a 15 second cd feels like cheating. Alongside very good magic defensive options, bounce back and dampen you got some really solid buttons.
If you're doing easier keys like 20s or below, and you probably are if you're worried about difficulty, MW is veeeery easy. You can really ride Sheilun's to smooth over any mistake, that thing is kinda insane. It's only when you get into higher keys that you really start needing to get the most out of Chi Ji and the spec becomes difficult.
And in raid it's insanely hard to optimize
i like the idea behind the disc changes, but tying schism to mindblast totally removes Twilight Equilibrium, and TE was the only thing that was keeping the typical disc cast priority interesting, and now it's a completely dead capstone. I think they need to remove schism, return Mind Blast 2 charge and short CD, and give either a slight compensatory atonement healing buff OR give us another shadow filler spell.
No thanks I rather remove Twilight Equilibrium.
Yeah the new changes don't really synchronise well with the existing talents. TE added difficulty, but now with a dimplier spec it could fit in well if only we had more viable shadow spells.
No thanks, remove TE and put some interesting capstone (I don't use ANY in raid, and only Mindbender in M+). Game play is finally rewarding and I have space to put some utility spells like mindcontrol on my bars now....
I think press evoker(swapping off evoker this tier) is quite hard and it depends on how far you want to push it, echos in raid can be a pain as you can't heal other is you're setting up ramps. Stasis is similar and it was common to stack 3 Temporal anomalies into a stasis on mythic Sark, that means no big heals for like 30+ seconds, which can often result in deaths, not reaching melee when ranged stacked can be a pain. Long cast times for spirit bloom can often result in deaths, especially if it's a TA -> SB. Keeping uptime on Flow State for timings especially during stasis ramping is quite annoying as cooldowns tend not to align great. Meanwhile if you just click buttons you might do... Okay? It depends on what you want to do, if you just spam echos and TAs, then charge big spiritblooms in normal raids you will do great but optimizing it is really hard imo. (Coming from a retro druid main since vanilla pre DF expansion)
Edit: swapping to MW monk as this is the tier where they might be more meta than usual plus having a monk for mythic raid is basically mandatory ;)
I've played a lot of healing specs this xpac and prevoker feels the easiest of them all. Mained it in season 1. Very few buttons to press.
Echo build isn't the best this tier though (in raid) and the blossom build doesn't take stasis either. Should be quite different to play this season.
As a mid-lvl healer (M+20 last season) I have found disc massively easier to take on and play than resto druid. Disc is so fluid and everything is logical with nice button presses. Druid requires more know-how and decision making and way more effort in general.
I have only played disc and resto to that level so I cannot comment on the rest, but I'd have resto at C and disc at A from my experience.
Just my two cents, as maybe as a pro you may not realize the difficulties normal players face :)
I’m coming back to the game and wonder how I can maintain atonement and do enough damage to heal.
I was hoping it would be easy, but looks confusing and stressful.
You said you haven't played other healers but rank them harder. xD
I will NOT go catweaving with my Resto druid - if I want to be in melee range I will use my holy pally. I love the ranged healing with moonkin/resto mix - absolutely easy to manage. I hate feral play anyway too rogue-like for me (kitty rogue). I likely will not go past M+ (10-12) - I won't put up with PUG nightmares and my guildies don't go higher anyway.
The weakness of Resto Shaman's numbers make it pretty hard imo. Compared to other healers you feel so weak and clunky.
Awesome ranking!!! Think you hit them all on the head!!
I thought I was doing a really good job as a Resto Druid, until I did a raid one day with another Resto druid who was lower item level than me and out healed me almost 3 times. I realize that I had no idea what ramping was, and after trying to learn how to do it, I gave up, and now I play paladin and priest.
That was me
Healing is not that black and white if you heal 1 mil and 500k is overhealing you have a lot of ways you can improve.
As long as your team is alive don’t focus on heals in numbers.
But rather review where you did some overhealing and where you could use some damage skills instead of parsing heals
Healing stream totem instead of cloud burst is very under rated imo. I think with when mixed with some of the talents it is way better than ppl realize. Between healing rain and a healing stream you will cover pretty much all incidental dmg and can spend a lot more time doing dmg to help out.
Resto Druid B in raid and C or difficult in M+. You spoke on it but in M+ a Resto Druid will have to try the hardest out of all the healers in order to min/max healing to dpsing and knowing when to switch back and forth.
Resto shaman is really fun to play and thats why I play it. cloudburst is great. With totemic recall it can be very powerful considering other totems you might need.
Mistweaver can stay in difficult because in a regular pug group at the 18-20 range there are not so many big pulls and in that case spin to win won't work, you need to use the proper rotation. Also without range increase, you can die from frontal, trying to get close to a mob to interrupt.
That’s L2P issue because melee dps have to avoid frontals so it’s not a excuse
How do you die from a frontal when you are behind the boss?
I’ve been tanking for a while, but have considered going healer. I was going to go resto Druid, and was trying to wrap my head around all the healing spells when I realized in order to properly dps you have to cat weave, and I quit. I used to quite enjoy holy priest years ago, I might dabble in that
May be it is the easiest - it may perhaps be the most "old fashioned" and straight forward, and also it may have have a life as a rollercoaster in terms of whether it's good or bad. But my gods - I love my Holy Priest.
Will play healer in S3 and I guess I made a good decision. Either Disc or Shaman. 😂
Thank you for the interesting video.
Been playing disc in M+ and it is pumping. Coming from Retso Shaman to Disc and I have found Disc pretty easy to get good results. Do recommend.
You gonna do separate videos about each healer playstyle? Looking forward for dudu, disci, shammy!
I am wanting to play a healer as an Alt. I tried disc priest and felt overwhelmed and it was not fun. Started looking at Mistweaver, but it appears to have button bloat and require a higher skill ceiling for a new healer
I main resto druid and I have played every healer in 10.3 to different degrees and mostly agree with this list. Resto shammy feels like easiest tbh bc there’s so few healing buttons compared to other healers and it doesn’t keep me engaged. Holy priest is straightforward once you know what your heals do so it’s my sit back and relax healer in raids. I’d put MW monk and resto druid both at C rank. They feel equally challenging to play, require ramps, and have a good amount of button bloat (I have 36 key binds for my druid and I feel like I still need more!). Mana management in raids for druid has been a bit of a nightmare, particularly for long drawn out fights, but after adjusting the style I’ve got it mostly under control. I’m very much enjoying catweaving in M+, but swapping back and forth between forms and knowing when it’s safe to do so takes a lot of practice!
This is interesting hearing everyone's opinions about Mistweaver. This whole time I thought it was pretty easy, but I also haven't done high keys or anything past heroic raids with it, so I might still have a lot to learn
It's almost as difficult as disc if you're min/maxing. The great part about the class is theres a few different builds that play totally different, that are all competitive. The issue is, the highest HPS build is incredibly difficult. Rampings like a disc, but you're in melee.
Druids are a tough call here. Grove Guardians are really interesting for M+ (though still pretty inadequate in >20 keys), but the flourish nerf is brutal in raid. Maybe it'll feel better once tier and stats level out, but right now the GG raid play feel pretty inferior to S2 style Resto Play.
Kitty weaving is hands down the hardest damage to do as a healer. It should be buffed to do sick damage if you have the skill to pull it off.
I'm currently doing +18-19 dungeons as Resto Druid. In Raids (Heroic) I'm always topping the meters and that is with the Incarnation + Grove guardians. A little off meta, going for all 4 bottom skills to compliment the tierset and mana savings (dual lifebloom in raids + clearcasting and you save twice the mana you would have gotten from rashok's trinket. It makes it free, 30+ stronger and with the 4p you also heal other players. For Dungeons, flourish feels bad, but it is very similar to how strong it was in previous expansions. You have to rethink the skill a little and think of it as a hot-extender 'that also makes your hots 25% stronger', it can save a group (still) while you focus on spothealing. The lower cooldown makes up for it. What people don't yet fully realize is that Resto druid - right now - is INSANE, low key overpowered. Combined with our mastery (running 45% haste and ~20% mastery) we have so many combo skills that just stack on top of each other. I've only been beaten once on the meters right now, and that was done by another Resto.
In M+ our damage with 465 gear should be a combination of catweaving a full dot cycle, and then when you have all cooldowns close to 15-20 seconds, you switch to boomkin and throw in 2-4 starfire's. You'll be hitting between 50-80k dps, and I've done higher. On difficult fights however, our damage drops drastically. Where 15-20k is on the higher side.
We can easily finish +18 dungeons now with 30-50k overal dps, and still keep everyone alive. Our kit has never been as dynamic and combo sensitive as it ever has before. I absolutely love it.
I'd be curious how your co-healers are parsing if you are topping the meters. I typically parse heroic content in the 70's, and our Disc priest will typically parse in the 50's. He's out HPSing me by a good 15-20k with a much lower parse. We have a Holy Paly that reliably parses in the high 80's low 90's and he just crushes on the meters (40-50k HPS ahead of me).@@douwe4254
As a newer player I truly wish resto Druid was more intuitive and easy to play because it looks so much fun and I love my night elf Druid but I feel I don’t do any damage as balance nor any healing as resto :( most times in LFR where I’m learning how to heal in an raid, I stare at all these spells that don’t provide raid wide heals unless the one that has 3min cooldown lol I’ve an holy character too, ty for the video I might give it a try again but I’m sticking to dps with my bm hunter because fighting in this game is overly complicated for no reason 😅
Have you looked at any guides? Granted I've been playing it for ages, but honestly I have always found it really intuitive. Rejuvs should be sprinkled around, lifebloom on tanks or other raiders that are taking lots of damage, wild growth before a raid-wide damage phase. Keep mushroom up at all times. Tranq and regrowth (unless you've procced clearcasting) are sort of your 'oh shit' buttons. Mouse over macros are a must.
Yeah Im so happy cat form got buffed. I feel easier to catweave than playing boomy in M+. Come patch boomy bursted 200k on aoe with convoke, and feral felt meh against 100k wrath crits. Also cast time in balance as a healer can take alot of time, compared to cat combos and rip and trash bleeds. Catweaveing is more optimal for M+ imo. All in all I agree with this tier list more or less. 👍
I think the "most difficult" parts of generic prevoker gameplay are the risky moments linked to your big heals. You literally have two big aoe buttons, spiritbloom and dream breath and both have a LONG cast time. When you use those to heal your group, the group members can get into risky close to death situations while you are loading up that spiritbloom. Also the inability to just throw a single heal to someone who needs it while you are ramping/prepping with echos for the whole group is something that adds a layer of difficulty to the class. Obviously learning how to use statis, emerald communion, verdant embrace+lifebind and generic echo preps are things one must spend some time researching and practicing through trial and error. And remember to shout to your ranged dps's to not fucking stand 40 yards away and behind you.
My comment on resto druid difficulty is that the healing itself on it is super easy. The only hard part is mastering the dps (in m+). Weaving all the dots, cat stuff and still be properly prepped to deal with incoming to damage to heal through it.
I played prevoker, resto shaman and mistweaver last season. This season I'm going to go with two healers, mistweaver and disc. I'm really comfortable with mistweaver, but I haven't really played since priest since shadowlands so there will be an adjusting period for me on that one.
You for the most part shouldn’t ever be casting dream breath higher than r1 or maybe rarely r2
It's funny, I find proactive healers easier to play. There is the initial investment of learning boss mechanics, but I feel more in-control as a proactive healer. Reactive healing makes me anxious for some reason. Been swapping between disc and resto most of the time, and they feel comfy to me in a way the "easy healer" holy never has.
I'd personally put Prevoker mid B tier. It does need some knowledge in stasis and how things work together, but its easy enough to pick up and their rotation feels comfortable and easy to play quite quickly (from my personal experience anyway), hardest thing about them is for sure the range limitations. I'd agree with the rest as a cross-the-board R&M+ list though. I play all healers but am currently maining Mistweaver and it has similar workings to disc (and partially with rdrood) with having to know the synergy between abilities and knowing when to ramp up/counter abilities with it being proactive, so I'd prob put it in difficult too due to that. It's not something you could just pick up and get straight away like you could with the more reactive healers like hpriest or rsham. I'm looking forward to seeing how this season goes for healers.
B fine for RFesto Duird, if your an old guard Duid that play the last few expansion you will be fine and maybe even fine it easyer than last season.
if your new to resto Druid, I think you will had a bad time at first and go oom a lot, learning curve is step at first.
I LOVE catweaving, but man... some of these dungeons makes it impossible, especially in pugs.
I miss bubble spamming Disc before it became a DPS healer... 😢
People think adding another button to press/keep track of made resto Druid easier? They nuked flourish to make room for it so instead of a strong cd, we got a bunch of weaker things to keep track of. I like the change but a bunch of small heals is harder to play around than one big one in my opinion.
Agreed. Keeping track of the guardians (always trying to have at least one up to not waste them, keeping track of how many I have available, summoning them at the right times to optimise the auto wild growth cast) is taking up a a much bigger part of my brainpower than one flourish every minute and a half. And we still have the flourish and it's on reduced cd. I'm just ending up macro-ing some of the cds together to simplify it. Even if the guardians can be helpful I wouldn't say they make playing Resto Druid easier. But I also haven't played with the full tier set yet.
I keep seeing tierlists like this and have realized I'm biased and think resto druid is easy. Given, I have been playing it for most of my wow career, but even with the button bloat of like shadowlands I still found it easy enough to play and fun to try and optimize. I have recently picked up disc priest and thats been one hell of a ride! I'd say in mythics druid is defo easier than disc. I've played every healing spec but holy priest so I have fun learning the nuance of each class and I think all of them are worth trying once if you like healing. But thats also coming from an altoholic LOL
There we go.
I used to raid and do dungeons but ever since mythic’s came out everyone got a bug up their ass and cried about not enough DPS or HEALS.
DPS as resto druid feals harder than on my Disci. It is fun, but see it rather in C Tier
As a MT, I want to clarify that he is not talking about which healer is "better" with this list because I have seen plenty of Holy priest fail miserably in low keys and evokers absolutely smashing high keys...
This difficulty ranking is same as my experience, so i agree with you
i think shammy is best for a more chill game play they have easy healing and have a aoe stun and a ranged kick their damage is easy to do too
Timers for raid boss abilities are huge for Disc. If you know when to ramp it ain’t bad at all
More than huge, they're 100% mandatory if you want to perform at any real level
Mw monk is the most fun healer to play. It makes the game into a high apm action game. I can take a nap between casts on something like a resto shaman 😅
just got 70 with my mw monk very fun spec , havent tried him in m+ tho little bit afraid ^^
I also hope they do more with Disc talents, its outdated now with the rework with even more useless talents being left behind.
hey! whats the addon u use to show damage done to enemies appear on their model ? like when u hit it appear 30k 20k etc, thanks!
Imo mistweaver has to be in the difficult tier. No other class has to drastically change their spec from m+ to raid. Going from a literal melee class to a caster is crazy. So fun tho
I don't like catweaving at all. If I want to play as a cat, I will play feral. Although catweaving got massive buffs, starfire and wrath also got buffs so I am curious to see how the overall dps varies between just catweaving and just using boomkin spells. I think Resto druid is a lot easier than Holy Pally. A huge part of what makes Paladin so powerful is how much utility it has (more buttons to press).
The range limits on Prevoker by itself make it one of the hardest healers to play in PUGs.
I think MW Monk is the most difficult because of needing to constantly stay in melee and do dps and it has so many different buttons and interactions with each other.
Disc Priest is simpler now, but you still need to do healing through dps. I think if you are a new healer, it is much more difficult to play a heal through dps style. When health bars get low, it's so hard to catch up and you need to keep swapping targets.
Druids also have a lot of utility. I haven't played a paladin though so don't know how they compare.
Hi MadSkillzz i appreciate the screenshot of ramp rotation for discipline priest for raids, can you do the same for m+? 14:24
Previously, I wouldn't PUG with disc in M+. It was too difficult for me to tackle the difficult situations. Post changes, it's become quite a bit easier, and the overall rotation feels much better. I'm much more confident bringing disc into M+ in S3. It certainly isn't S/A tier, but it could be bumped up to B, I think.
Disc its a tier a not B
@@devouringfamine2427ease of play, even in S3 it’s not A
@@Michael-bu7ni bbro, I was able to make 20 stones without any problem in season 2 with discipline and he did more damage than other healers, he was no better than a paladin, that's for sure. But he was in a good place. Maybe you don't see him as a tier A. Was booton bloat complicated for you? because for most of the professionals in season 3 it will be a tier A
@@devouringfamine2427 I'm thinking about the new player going disc while learning all the new damage patterns on a proactive healer. Gonna be tough at first but glad you had success with it.
@@Michael-bu7ni The damage rotation was not complicated, almost like that of a dps, which is normal. The druid has a more complicated damage rotation. Those who fail in this spec are the ones who start casting flash heal when they see that someone dies and that It's not good. It's just that there were several things to do. Now it's a bit boring to repeat a lot of smite until you get tired, what was tedious in raid was the ramping
I've played WoW for 18 years and I have never ever tried healing I was always either tanking or dpsing, and now I wanna try it and the only class that seems the most likely choice for me would be priest with the 2 Healing specs that it offers and both holy and disc interest me more than druid, monk, evoker, pally and shaman does. And with 10.2.5 bringing out the new npcs dungeon system I am so totally gonna practice healing and learning my abilities more than having to learn dealing with players who rush through everything, yes LFR can help but I'd rather know my abilities and what they do before then. If I don't like healing then I'll get myself back in the groove of learning to tank again ^.^ but I really wanna try healing sense it seems like there is a "shortage" of healers out there now
I’ve been tanking recently, but have considered dabbling in healing. But I haven’t healed properly since Wrath, and it’s just so nerve wracking to start, since I don’t want to let my group die while I learn. Tanking I could at least get the basics down out in the world. Really hoping the upcoming npc dungeons can be used as a stress free training ground!
You should know your abilities by the time you hit 70. If you boosted, you just run a few heroics.. lol
@@gif0bi Learn to heal from leveling? Open world content doesn't teach to heal. Running dungeons to level *might* teach you to heal, but more likely you'll just be running after a crazy tank and maybe hitting a few buttons before the mobs die.
And if you can learn to effectively heal from running a few heroics, pat yourself on the back. You are an epic gamer. The rest of us will just have to commit to the grind in your shadow.
Rdruid by far the most difficult, disc is rated too difficult I would swap the two. Druid also requires a high level of game knowledge and has a very high skill ceiling
Being resto druid from times of Vanilla I can tell you I missing s lot the burst heal spell "heling touch". Now resto is very much all about HoT and AOE heals and it is really hard for me to top the healing meters.
Well that's the problem with people like you. All you want to do is top meters with useless numbers and for what? bragging rights? Just grow up and play whats fun. No wonder WoW is ruined when it's full of you meta chasers.
I wouldnt care, but the others do. You are kicked out from pugs if you dont and guildmates dont look good at you too.
There are swiftmend and nature's swiftness, but yeah, they alone aren't enough spothealing a lot of the time. Need to have lots of hots out, know when to expect the most damage and ramp for it, when to use your main CDs and how to combo them. Started in BFA and it took me an expansion and a half to learn it somewhat well. And even then I feel like I suck at the beginning of each tier until I learn the encounters and how best to approach each.
Accurate List.
If you play MW without melee, it plays much easier - you gotta dip into mana tea to keep up tho.
I got back to WoW during Dragonflight Season 2, and played as Disc, it was hard, but rewarding, i did try a few Mythic + with Holy and it was a shit show.... hopefully is better this season, cause it doesn't help being easy if is shit lol
The problem with Disc priest is it's eva ramp is too damn complicated. Sure, when you're fresh in the night, you can swing it. After three hours, youre going to wish you were playing holy. I'm not saying it needs to be as braindead as it was in warlords, but this is too much to be dealing with on top of mechanics. That's before we even talk about being drained from real life responsibilities.
This was my first season ever and I ended rank 28 on my realm as HPAL and I only played for 10 weeks. I'm addicted to healing now. I want to try other healers and want it to be as difficult as possible. Mastering HPal came down to tracking infusions of light, glimmer consumption, and stacks for your free avenging wrath. Adding more difficulty to my glimmers is exciting.
How do you easily track infusion and glimmer? Do you have a weak aura or addon you recommend?
is the druid catform dps is good for healers even their weapon is int buff? Since you cannot swap weapon inside the dungeon.
Yes while In resto spec it applies as if it was agi.
Long time wow player who played all but healing i'd say i'm a decent player but not super good or anything.. i sorta wanna play mw monk though, would i be griefing my healing experience?
Nah. Been a resto druid for years. Now main Mistweaver. Only sucky thing is mana managment in raids. But its probaly just me doing something wrong...
Is that for wow classic?
I disagree with Hpriest as easiest. When you run out of holy words in M+, you better hope there's no burst damage coming, because you won't be able to heal up spamming flash heal.
I think resto shaman has a higher skill cap than people give it credit for.
Rdrood easy to learn hard to master!
Ever since WoW changed where the healer is supposed to dps, I cant handle the additional pressure 😂
Really wish they would give rshamm a party or raid buff, or stop giving our stuff to other classes. Hate how linear tier is.
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I think the tier list is probably fine, I would say Evoker is harder to pick up than MW but Disc is def the hardest even after the rework, for a new player it will be a nightmare to heal keys or raid as Disc.
I dunno disc is shockingly watered down and easy in 10.2 vs prior patches.
The main reason for "difficult" ranking is due to *proactive* gameplay in raids. If it was just M+ it would look very differently :)
I play hpri about 2 years I want to tey restodruid but I am scared😅should I try it?
Took me a while to learn it, but when you get good you feel like you really earned it :D
I've been playing resto druid off and on since og vanilla alternating mains with the other healers. I hate cat weaving ugh. To me it just doesn't feel smooth shrug. It's not the melee part, I love mw faeline build in dungeons. Just never been fond of cat.
Yeah, having to fully switch between healing and dpsing feels kinda clunky to me too and gives me anxiety in pugs :D
you used the devastation symbol
Totally agree with you bro. I really liked the buff to the catweaving in rdruid, i really love this playstyle. Ppl underestimate how hard is MW, it hurts a lot to roll away and not being able to punch a kick things.. You should be very carefull with your gcds, Revival aint that good cd, the chiji needs to kick stuff and Sheiluns Gift has a decent casting time even with the talent. Not good as panic buttons.. If you have everything rolling, kicking and punching stuff, interupt stuff etc etc probably the most fun healer, when things go south and you are forced to channel soothing mist you will sweat a lot...
One thing witch I'm not sure how it'll be in 10.2 but that people seem to forget with mw is you can't back out of melee while being one of the most squishy healers
@@Smolder09 It feels decently beefier, imo, with the changes to make HE passive, the buff to expel harm and the buff to bounce back.
Honesty it is a bad joke that the dps of the healer is a very important feature. The designers should reduce greatly their damage in dungeon and raid, so they can choose freely their talents and playing styles, OR they should be designed that way they can dps with heal, not with the opposite way. One of the most reactive, fun and easy to play healer is the mistweaver using it as a traditional healer, not as a fistweaver.
I really enjoyed range mist, too. I found my zen mode with it in Legion. I never felt stressed, even when stuff hit the fan, even if we wiped.
They should have a fistweaving spec tree and a mistweaving spec tree. Split two ways like they did for priest.
11:29 Mistweaver - I hate when you cast your faeline stomp and then the dumb ass tank moves the mob so far away that your faeline is shit. Sure, you can move in and out of the stomp but if they are that far out of range that stomp is pointless. Wait for Cd and recast, so annoying. But MW is extremely fun to play + the changes they did to tiger palm and blackout kick make it more fun.
Generally it's pretty easy to know when a tank about to move if you have played tanks before
Gotta wait for the deathball. Fae resets proc quick enough, it's not so bad. I just personally do not think faeline should exist as a monk spell at all. It was cute in shadowlands, it should have stayed there.
As a new MW I think you have it ranked wrong. I personally would put it in B. And that because they have things to easily help out in those moments when they can't be in melee. And with roll we can get out and back to our feline really easy. And resetting amd repositioning feline is also really easy to do. Raid is simplified too you really only need 1-2 rising sun kicks during the ramp and everything else is ranged.
I dont know, I play MW becouse its easiest healer for me.
We went from tier lists for best, to fun to easiest specs. Tells a story about the state of the game (or its players).
@MadskillzzTV i really like your vids but here i have to strongly disagree on some points or to be more precize you are nearly just focussing on the mechanics and on the otherhand you mention "beeing" in melee. Beeing in melee is only really a Problem with certain affixes. But those affixes hurt hard casting healers too.
Only healer in my opinion who is loveably easy is resto Druid. Played it as second/third healer for two seasons and even compared to hpriest it is Kind of a joke. you can permanently move with nearly no downsides. Yes, you need some Kind of ramp but who cares? There is nothing that keeps you from doing that. You got good dmg and partially even passive with dots. Buffs, cr, ultra Mobility, good externals etc. Not depending on raid or m+. You can even fail a mechanic on highkeys and still survive.
Hpriest is mechanically very easy and clearly the easiest in that Point. But in 22+ you need pitch perfect movement because nearly everything is wrecking you. You got no real externals and the grp burst healing is pretty low, compared to Others and you have to hard cast a lot.
In my opinion this should be considered and i wouldnt requests a hpriest for beginners because all this points can be very disappointing.
Druid, Pala or Monk (another healer that is pretty easy, not mechanically, but due to there toolkit and beeing totally overtuned in m+ and raid).
Shammy is by far the easiest in my opinion.
honestly i find it disingenius to call holy priest easy, because no healer struggles this much to get up bars, especially in during group wide dmg
I really hate the fact that Mistweaver needs to spend 3 end tier points just to do any respectable damage (Feyline). They need to give MW ranged alternatives. They're a Monk, melee is their thing but in that case it should be part of the kit. Crackling Jade Lightning is a laughable ability that has never seen any use other than to apply Mystic Touch from range. Why not Blizzard? Buff it or remove it.
I love my red lightning glyph, too. Always get a whisper asking what it is when I use it to finish off a runner for fun.
Mistweaver is Hard just because u are gonna play it ?
DISCO >>>>> All Healers ^^
“Holy paladin can step out of melee and isn’t penalized all that much”
HPal’s Mastery stat: 🥴🥴🥴🥴
most guides for restro druids been really shitty ramps ups
I think your placement of preservation is way off. I main a resto Druid, and in keys preservation the easiest of all healers.I don’t understand why people think it is difficult at all.
as a old main disc, put disc in difficult is a joke to me, its so fking easy to play now, you have 3 buttons and thats all. i cant understand that ppl can feel disc be hard to play rn.
How many other things can you rank brother 😂
Totally disagree with this, Disc is easy to play. Resto druid is by far the easiest
There shouldnt be an "easy" section at all imo. Playing a good hp in m+ is viable but far from easy. Same goes to raids. If you dont use the synergies right to print and copy these holywords, you will fail badly. Yeah, disc is proactiv. But tbf if you just look up damage pattern its not harder, because you dont have to panic react as a disc and just follow the time stamp, whereas a holy priest has to react fast. I really love both of them, but imo you did holy priest dirty.
Sure... xD @@NUTZJ98
Lol yeah, no healer is actually easy when you consider everything we need to do especially with some of the affixes in M+.
Calling disc one of the hardest healers after they dumbed it down so hard is funny lol
Monk is easy wtf
I’ve played all healers and with the rework discipline feels like the easiest imo… we’re a two buttons class now
The disc changes were needed. Button bloat has been reduced and the class doesn't feel clunky anymore
If you think disc is a 2 buttons class, you clearly have no idea how to play disc
@@gilleslapedale0 yes 2 buttons class. You press penance and shadow word death to min max your torments in your shadow covenant window, and then you spam smite in between.
@@governmentghost01 frankly the class feels extremely dull to play and is probably one of the easiest healers to play. Something in between would have been better.
@@cynser2292 i would love to compare my 99th percentile log to yours because my rotation has a steady 9 buttons without counting all the cds. The hardest part of this class is anticipating dmg, knowing all the bosses mechanics and managing your different ramps depending on the mechanic.
I hate these rankings because up to Key 20 and for the HC raid EVERY healer, EVERY TANK and EVERY DD is playable. But you make things harder for people with such rankings because there are always idiots who only go by such lists.
Unfortunately the easiest healer is the worst healer
yea but up to +20s it's totally fine so 🤷🏻♂️
@zerti86 up to 15s* you'll need max gear to compete to 20s. There healing struggles on alot of these dungeons this tier, and there raid healing was mega nerfed.
@@issacmorris60no they can def do 20s no problem lol
Its only easy if you play it bad. Holy priest is completly viable of 20 keys but its not easy to master. Thats why Im not a fan of people calling holy priest easy. If you dont understand the synergetic effects and totally different playstyles between hp in raid and m+, you will struggle a lot.@@issacmorris60
Rofffflllll I can do 20's at 450 sumn on rdru@@issacmorris60