Temperature Surfing 101
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- Опубликовано: 19 дек 2024
- Far out man! That's right folks, grab your boards- we are going surfing. Ok, maybe not that kind of surfing. Temperature surfing! If you have owned a single boiler machine before, you probably know what we are talking about. For those who haven't, you are in for a treat!
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My method:
Steam -> run water through wand to clean and preheat cup -> run water through group until light comes on -> grind + tamp -> light goes off somewhere -> flush group until I stop hearing/seeing water flash to steam -> brew.
I like the flushing method because it doesn't require me to keep any keen awareness of how long the brew temp light has been off since, and enables you to pull the shot relative to when your grind and tamp is done. I may experiment with doing just a wait though!
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Check out our temperature surfing how to video. Gail's using a Rancilio Silvia, but this technique is a good for any single boiler machine!
That, was VERY informative. Thank you!
Antoine Thisdale You are VERY VERY welcome :)
Gail, you my main homeslice girl. Thanks for the tutorial.
What a great video. That’s why I bought my Sylvia and oro from you guys.
We appreciate you!
@@SeattleCoffeeGear will this same technique work for the 2020 Sylvia there another video on that model?
Hi Gail, I like your video, bought my Miss Silvia from SCG. I’d appreciate if you can answer my question: I understand the way of doing temp surfing. But if I put my steamed milk aside and wait for so long, will the steamed milk miss its best time for latte art? Thanks a lot!
I don't even have an espresso machine. I just like watching this for the educational value. You're a great teacher Gail! Thanks :D
pdmmdk This is so great to hear! Thanks for being such an avid fan! :) How do you like to brew your coffee?
Seattle Coffee Gear I use a French Press currently. Saving some coin to get a Rocket eventually :)
pdmmdk Good choice! We love our Rockets :) Keep an eye out for a French Press Comparison video we are working on :)
Seattle Coffee Gear Nice and thanks! I'm subscribed, so I doubt I'll miss it :D
This lady really knows her stuff!
Grate video it's so helpful..thank you
Rana suliman Totally welcome! :)
Just for your experience after I clean my single dose grinder do I have to dial in again or just put back the way it was and adjust for beans? I hate to think I have start from the zero point again.
I have a question when you surf the machine to say 200 degrees how long through the brew extraction will the tenpture stay at that level. Also can preheating your machine for a long time achieve the same results as tempture surfing
Preheating your machine for a long time allows the temperature to stabilise as all the components surrounding the water have come up to temperature. It's the same reason why you leave your oven pre-heating long after the light has went out, and why it'll hold a very stable temperature for hours at a time after that.
thats wery easy if there is a light
maybe im just nitpicky on my machine im using a sage(breville) cafespresso pro when turning on its cold if you heat up its too hot.
and i get 18,5 - 38 in 28 still tastes sour ish and sometimes slightly britter depending on how patient i am.
earlier i used to get gorgeous sweet bitter espresso's and now, it might be that the grinder grinds inconsistently but i cant measure that can i
Is it necessary to use the steam function first in order to reach the desired temperature, or is that step unneeded?
Hello, I have a Casadio Dafne machines. I am not sure if I followed the general theory of this process. My steps are:
1. Steaming and brewing at the same time for approx. 30 secs.
2. Waiting approx. 3 minutes for the boiler to refill and heat up again.
3. Letting a little water out through the brewing head (approx. 20 secs).
4. Finally pull my expresso shot.
Did I follow the general theory correctly? Assuming that the equipment is different but both have single boilers...
She's funny and knowledgeable!
Do you waste a lot of water by letting it run?
Hi! Thanks for the video. Any reason why you can't cool the boiler by releasing the steam through the group head instead of the steam wand?
+Richard Wilson Hello! Nothing stopping you from doing it that way. We think the benefits of using the steam wand make it the better choice however (ability to aim the hot water, extra cleaning of steam wand, ect..) Thanks for watching! ;)
Just curious if on the gaggia classic, afteryou've poured out a cup from the steam/pump, do you switch off the steam button as well as the pump and wait? or do you keep the steam button pressed while waiting for the light to turn off?
My Silvia V1 suddenly started brewing very sour / bitter coffee. I
made no other changes (Same coffee, same grind, same brew time). I
decided to check the temperature of the water by removing the
porta-filter, and allowing the hot water to run into a small glass jar
with 2 different thermometers in it.
The Temperature didn't climbed above 180 degrees F. I did the same experiment using the steam wand to run hot water into the glass jar. I waited until my heating light just went out, and ran hot water through the steam wand into the glass jar. Again, the thermometers never climbed above 180. I've always heard that the ideal temperature to brew espresso was 195 to 205 degrees.
Just to test the thermometers, I put some water in a pan, turned my stove on and measured the temp until the water reached a roaring boil. The thermometer read 210 degrees so the thermometers are pretty accurate. Any Rancilio experts out there? Is my Boiler shot? I descaled it and ran my test over. Again, only 180. Could my thermostat is off. When I switch to steam, it does in fact product steam at the want, and not just water. This makes me think that the boiler is capable of reaching 212 degrees to make steam. So I'm leaning toward an issue with the temperature control.
+John Hi! You may want to try descaling and see if possibly the thermostat or heating element has some scale built up that's not letting it heat properly
Thanks, I just recently descaled it. The thermostats are mounted outside the boiler. Just for grins, I ordered replacement.
I doubt think the issue is with the heating element. The boiler uses a single element. Since it's capable of reaching steam temp, it must be capable of reaching brew temps.
I'll update once my new thermostat is in. J.
@@CentralNCSkywarn hey, same issue! did the thermostat replacement work in the end?
I have the breville Barista Express (870) which is a single boiler, but has a PID. Does this technique apply to me? How does the PID alter this technique? Is there any difference to steam / brew first on a single boiler with a PID? Lots of questions, but I know you guys have the answers!
Saxman11290 When you have a PID, you won't need to use this technique. The PID does the work for you (lucky you!). In terms of brewing or steaming first, it is really your preference! If you are really focusing on creating latte art, then brewing first is the way to go. But if the freshest espresso flavor is what you are after, then steaming first is probably best. Cheers!
I have a breville duo temp pro and my shots recently have been pulling way to fast even with a very fine grind and a good tamp....what could this be? I used to make perfect 27sec shots thank poured fatanstic
Let's say you're not steaming at all, just making a shot of espresso. Do you still need to surf or can you just let it heat up from a cold start until the light goes off and then wait 30 seconds?
+Josh Eaton That would work just as well! The trick is the timing from when the light goes off ;D Thanks for watching!
Make sure your machine is on for at least 15-20 minutes. Any temperature stabilization technique is pointless if the internals are not warm enough. You're going to lose at least 20F from boiler to brew head if the machine is cold.
ascosta Very true!
Why is it necessary to let a Silvia warm up for 20-30 minutes before brewing? Doesn't the block heat up the brew head sufficiently?
+Lynn Bartlett The longer the machine heats up the more stable it will be while brewing. So waiting 20-30 minutes is not "required", but will result in better espresso. Check out this video: ruclips.net/video/wmnRW2oPDsk/видео.html
Thanks so much for your responses. I have had my Silvia for quite some time with no success at all so I am trying to learn from your videos. I wish I had bought it from Seattle Coffee Gear but definitely will the next time.
+Lynn Bartlett Happy to help! What type of grinder do you have?
It's a Capresso 560. It's older but I replaced the burrs almost two years ago. It's rather difficult to find the exact grind and tamping pressure.
+Lynn Bartlett Not a bad grinder, but it sounds like you could probably benefit from a grinder upgrade. The grind is arguably the most important step in espresso preparation. Something like the Smart Grinder Pro would be a good place to start research: www.seattlecoffeegear.com/breville-smart-grinder-pro :D
Now... where have I seen this information in a video before :D
Just kidding. Good to see this kind of info shared and shared again, since it helps people with single boiler machines to understand more and more how these machines work and what makes good espresso.
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why not to brew first ?
Same interrogation. Why not brew 1st?
S Pierre fikaso We like to steam first then brew because it is faster. Sure you can still temperature surf if you brew first, but after you brew that shot is going to sit around for a few minutes as the machine heats up to steam temp. If you steam first, you can cool the machine in a shorter amount of time (and just keep swirling your milk) before your final drink assembly. :)
Seattle Coffee Gear great answer. That's what I thought. As for myself I brew 1st but always pour hot water in my cup before brewing. Xtra step but keeps my beverage very hot.
S Pierre Yeah it is really just a balancing act with single boiler machines!
thats the reason why I steam after brewing!
+Gear Guru People don't like crema to dissipate. Not a big issue to me.
Kawabunga!
Billay649 Right on dude!
Or just get a PID? I mean if you're gonna spend $600 on it anyway.
HigherPlanes PID is the way to go, but sometimes it just isn't an option for some budgets.