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I Took My New Truck Off Roading And This Happened
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I remember when the new Bronco came out they were nearly bullet proof on the trails UNTIL people started putting larger tires on them and then the tie rods would bend or the CV's would break but primarily the tie rods. People came up with tie rod stiffeners real quick and that solved the problem and then Ford addressed it a couple of years later. But as long as you left it stock which was more than capable enough for almost all owners, nothing broke. The Frontier is generally the same way. Anything stock to 33" and you will almost never have any issues. When you start making accommodations simply to fit much larger tires and not to address performance as a whole you will discover the failure point of stock components real quick. Drop bracket lifts were primarily designed to fit larger tires while somewhat maintaining reasonable diff alignment. But when you use a drop bracket the only ground clearance increase you get under an IFS is from the increased tire diameter just like happens under a solid axle so typically you would have more ground clearance with 33"s and no drop bracket under the front diff of an IFS vehicle than with a drop bracket and 35"s. And, as you discovered, you didn't need 4 wheel drive anyway to get where you were going. Except for truly hard core wheeling most decent stock trucks especially those with a rear locker will get you anywhere you will ever really go. After all, forest service service workers, line workers and fire service workers traverse almost every forest service, utility line and fire service road with stock Ford, Chevy and Ram trucks with little to no modifications. Playing requires mods and will eventually break something on every brand. Just going out and getting to a camp site, a hunting or fishing spot or exploring so called OHV roads needs only decent tires and practice.
Yeah this lift want made to do what I was trying to make it do. As Ive said in other videos, off-roading wasn't the initial gaol for this truck. Had it been, I would've went a whole other direction. But thats the great thing about this kind of stuff, you can always change it..
Yeah that sounds about right. I see people complaining about problems on the tacoma forums and most the issues are related to a mod. They put huge offroad tires and a lift then complain it rides like crap and their fuel mileage sucks.
I think you may way want to consider going back to 33” tires. It ma be possible to get stronger cv axles but then your weakest link could become something else a lot more expensive. Think of your cvs as a fuse that is supposed to break before the whole drive train could be damaged
That is a good looking Frontier, sorry about the breakage.
Thanks buddy. Comes with the territory of wheelin.. 🤷🏼♂️
It’s definitely the roughcounry kit 💯
I don’t know everything but I feel like it’s the weight of the tire and the angle of the 6”
I'm wondering if the extended CVs for the titan swaps would help. Couldn't find any info out there on if it would work without actually titan swapping.
@@kallankawthey might but I'd just go ahead and get the m205 you can get them somewhat cheap and it's a way easier fix if you break one and the Titan cv's are thicker and stronger.
@@thedude828-ed2nn exactly a true titan swap will always help having bigger cv’s.
Dana 60 swap will fix all your broken parts...
@@JW-cn6op so a sas dana 60 front and rear?? He's trying to have a daily driver not just a full time rock crawler.
Awesome mix of vehicles and friends wheeling together! Man I can feel your disappointment, hopefully you'll be able to get the CV's and have your truck repaired. Have a good Sunday brother!
Yeah I would titan swap with 2 inch body lift and you’ll have the same lift with more articulation and strength.
If u install a titan front axle, there's a flange on the axle instead of a spline inserted in to it, so the axle simply bolts on and is a easier replacement
I have no idea why the frontier was made different.
@@johnnyreb1475right it pisses me off because I know I'm about to have to buy a m205 when I Titan swap I'd rather buy once and cry once. I'm in a 2012 sv king cab and I axle swapped the rear with the m226 so I at least have a locker but the bad part is I'm gonna have to also regear because I'm 3.13 geared and I'm definitely not gonna be running that gearing on a titan swap. It's alright now with 33s and a ado Bilstein 5100 kit but I wish I would have just saved my money and just done it right from the get go.
There you go! Don't worry if it brakes just swap a new one in - 20 min out of your day!
Couple issues man but still turned out to be a great trip. I have to say I’m truly impressed it made it up the mountain in 2wd. Those were some pretty steep runs. Hopefully more runs in the future. 💪
Agreed! That was the most impressive thing I've done in my truck😂
Honestly I believe it’s the angle on the CV from the lift. I know for the BDS lift for my Colorado does an axle drop so the CVs don’t break. That is weird why the Silverado being pretty much stock broke its cv too.
yes. I got it all figured out now and have a plan. I’m gonna make a video here soon going over everything that went wrong and how we’re gonna fix it
@@4wdAdventurz oh ok. Awesome! Now after seeing you with all the cvs broke I’m a little worried about mine although mine will only have a level and 33s. (It’s a 2018 Colorado ZR2)
@@TheZR2Kid I would just know the max droop your CVs can handle and make sure you measure them. If they are going to droop too much, keep your swaybar on until you can address that issue.
@@4wdAdventurz Thankyou sir! I appreciate it. What trails did yall go on in north ga?
That sucks my friend.. Not that I haven't seen broken straight axles but nothing like what I've seen with IFS.
my 145k 2019 diesel Colorado with the Eibach leveling kit and 32s hasn't been an issue but neither have my 2020 Gladiator on 35s or my late 80s Comanches on 33s either.
What you just went through is why when ever I have a 4x4 it’s a older straight axle truck.
You could have done that trail stock with OEM size MT tires. The lift and bigger tires put so much stress on components.
There isn’t any droop with your current spring rate. The wheel was lifting in that clip and the other side didn’t travel one bit!
no, the CV is at full droop. Thats why it snapped. The problem is "full droop" is only 6 or so inches and with 35's it looks like it hardly moved at all.
@@4wdAdventurz That’s what I’m saying. You shouldn’t run a spring rate that puts you at full drop unless you only intend to do water crossings. You lose articulation and are forcing the traction control to engage for most obstacles which will make it very jerky and unsmooth while your ifs is already in its weakest range of motion. It’s also jarring to your strut mounts when you hit full drop over speed bumps and stuff like that I bet and they can deform over time or worst case bust free
Yep definitely time for a change. Something is definitely messing with the angle of that cv.
Rough Country is not recommended for real off road activity. Outside the USA Dobinson is the go to. The US has Fox, King, and if you have more money than brains Icon.
i’m leaning heavily toward Fox for this build. hopefully they have it all complete by this time next month.👀
need some adjustable bump stop or straps to limit the angle of cv joints, that what we commonly do to can am sxs
Drop to 33s and lower your lift. 6” is excessive since your diff is still dropped anyway. I would just go lower and put a suspension lift on it to get like 3” roughly. You’ll need more armor, but I don’t see the issues resolving without it
Yeah the titan swap will be about 4.5" lift, have a wider track, and still allow 35's (alot people even run 40's). Front diff and whole suspension form a Nissan Titan. Should be night and day difference.
Get the titan m205 diff and titan swap the suspension its really gonna help you out in the long run and you can get a locker you already have a m226 in the rear.
That sucks man. Been there with traveling a long ways only to have a race car break. The Montero hasn't done that to me but we do travel in a group and have spare CVs and other parts but haven't had to do a CV ever (knock on wood)! I saw you drive by my office this am too. S curve. BMWs sitting under the cover by the road. We head up to NC and TN Wed night for our adventure trail trip. Daryle will be getting content for future videos.
Yeah I was going to Wawa this morning! 😂. Sounds like a good time! Y'all have fun! Can't wait to see the video
So glad I had that ripped up m205 CV for ya 🤙
Had a great time can’t wait for you to come on back yo for some redemption.
Bro, I'm definitely coming back and redeeming myself 😂
Hope you're doing well man and sorry about your CV always giving you trouble
Thats ok. Working on a permanent fix for that. Thats how it goes. Gotta pay to play.
Yesterday I broke my transmission too on my next gen raptor …… everything stock except for the mud tires. I was trying to get of mud reverse and forward, I put a lot of gas in reverse and then maybe didn’t wait enough to go in drive and I heard a nasty noise from transmission …
I managed to get out of the trail but have to get the car towed after
That sucks dude! Luckily for me a CV is fairly cheap. A tranny on the other hand .. yikes. Hope youre able to get it back up and runnin.
Ouch - sorry this happened. Your stem lift probably places your axles at a sharper angle then a Titan Swap would. This would explain how the the CV joint failed. However, the splines on the Q60 1/2 shafts have also been known to fail on Titan swaps. Though the right length, that luxury SUV wasn't ever intended to carry the weight of 35's. The 1/2 shafts on a Titan have a flange and bolts rather then splines, but require a Titan diff swap. All of this explained why so many wheel on 32's and 33's. Your videos seldom depict a rocky surface and dirt and mud is far more forgiving. Perhaps you should try a standard Titan swap - a lot of people do succeed with splines on that lift. Going to a Titan Diff latter, you're only out the cost of two 1/2 shafts for trying.
When one wheels one always finds the weakest link. Sucks don't it!
😂😂😂 this is true
The tires/driving blew your CV, not the lift. If you titan swap it, and don't upgrade the diff, you will have the same issues or worse being that that extended CV's create even more leverage.
There were Xterras with a stock diff, 35s, titan swapped suspension and they all had no issues..
@@4wdAdventurzI hear you but there’s still more to it. Drop brackets arguably keep your CV angles stock. Titan swaps extend them and push them into steeper angles. I think the chance is slim to none that a Titan swap will fix your issue. What kills CVs is the angle, the rotational mass on the other end (tire size and weight) and the driving conditions. If you are spinning your tires and they suddenly grab traction, the CV is what takes that shock.
All that to say, you need stronger CVs or lighter/smaller wheel/tire combo. Also, remanned CVs are always significantly weaker than OEM, so keep that in mind.
Yeah, the Titan swap was gonna happen eventually cause you use your Frontier. I am gonna strictly ride around in mine cause being disabled and stuck in a mud hole just don’t sound fun.
Yeah. Kinda that puts a damper on things ..
Sorry to hear about your CV issues... Hopefully you will get it all squared away so it doesn't happen next time.
Nice hills
Yes!!!!!!! Titan swap ! 😍😍 sema build cv made me laugh 😂😂
Kinda agree with some of these comments. If your gonna offroad, get a vehicle that is truley ment for it. Its nice to think i can lift it with bigger tires.... that looks cool, but really offroading will find the week points very fast. Unless this is prduct review, or to find out what it takes, and getting paid to do it, id never go this route. Just my 10 cents, which is valued at about 4 cents in todays market lol
People run 40's with titan swapped Frontiers (and all other IFS set ups). The RC lift wasnt made to do what I was trying to make it do. As Ive said in other videos, off-roading wasn't the initial gaol for this truck. Had it been, I would've went a whole other direction. Once this titan swap is done, were going to be golden.
I drive a solid axle power wagon for that exact reason, but I feel for ya, sorry about your front end woes.
Did you check if RCV makes a set for Frontiers?
They do make them for the Ttitan. So once I get the titan swap done. Im going to later upgrade to the RCV CV's. A little (alot) pricey but everyone says theyre worth it.
@@4wdAdventurz Lifetime Warranty and built to tackle King of Hammers, then your CVs will be so bulletproof you'll have to be careful to not grenade your diff or T-case. Great Vids and keep up the Good Work
Tundra can show hoy👑
Seems super stiff, sometimes aesthetics aren't worth sacrificing performance.
Yeah the RC lift definitely isnt made to do what I was asking..
Thats so normal when buying parts 😂 you have what :0 but its a different year....
I think its the lift tbh. If the angles are too great for the CV, it binds too much and snaps. I see that a lot with folks with a TS that's too high or just too much lift and the CV's can't handle the harsh angles.
It’s RC drop bracket lift. CV’s are near oem angles. Issues the 35” tires
Yeah, that's the thing. The CVs are perfectly straight and level. All I know is the titan swap guys didn't have this problem and some where running bigger tires than me..🤷🏼♂️
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Any tips to not break a CV?
Measure how much droop the CV has end of necessary keep your swaybar. If I had my swaybar still connected, my CVs would not have drooped too far, causing them to bind.
@@4wdAdventurz Oh wow! I’m glad you told me this, my dad was wanting swaybars disconnects for his Ranger
I didn't expect you to go as far with your truck as you did and sure wasn't going to point it out after you went a different direction but the titan swap is exactly what you need.
P.S. if not for the cv i think you were about to make the tacoma look bad.
100% I’m honestly not even going to fix the CV until it’s titan swapped
@@4wdAdventurz something isn't right with the rough country lift because with a drop bracket all of your angles should be the same as if it was never lifted.
@@johnnyreb1475 yeah that’s what got me messed up a little bit. When the truck is sitting flat, thr CVs and the tie rods are perfectly leveled. I don’t get what’s causing the issue.
Does RCV not make axles for it?
Not that I saw. Someone else asked that, too. Those RCV look nice, though..
Was this the same side that broke last time? It’s probably coz it’s aftermarket broke prematurely
Same side but I replaced it with OEM Nissan part last time... $400 CV..
What was the name of the trail you broke the CV on? Headed up to Beasly Knob this week.
Not sure. From the parking lot we just went straight. Didnt make any turns, just followed the trail. I’m on the way back to Florida now. When I get back, I’ll see if I can find the name.
To much unsprung weight. Not designed for the large tires. Same breakages happen on tacomas all the time after big lift and huge tires.
Yeah. This kit isn’t made for what I asking it to do. The titan swap will fix all that. Can’t wait to get it done
On the scene where the cv snaps the control arms with that lift are sitting parallel to the ground how you want it "flat" not angled.... The lift didn't cause this.... weak cv , with big tires . You're gonna replace the lift and still have cv shafts popping. Jusssss get a jeep :)
Over tired. Weight is a killer. 33s or light weight wheels combined with a lighter set of tires will help. Even jeeps break when tires are over sized. 32s or 33s will be good enough and lower your lift to regain your down travel for better articulation. Although it won't look as cool you will have better capability, especially not having a locker.
Nope. I know its kinda hard to see on the video but the CV (of the driver side) is at full droop even with that fairly small rut. The stock R180 diff dont like alot of travel. I will agree the 35's didnt help but its not the cause of the CV issue. People run titan swaps with 40's all day and have no issues at all.
This will be very interesting.. isn't this the second CV you broke?
Second in 6 months!
@@4wdAdventurz The titan swap will help. Is there a way to limit suspension travel? That's probably not an Ideal solution for offroad extremes but - better than breaking the CV.
Could never trust a 4x4 off-road if it breaks doing such simple things.
Just curious if you had to do it over, would you have started with a Titan swap? Seems this lift has been giving you issues lately.
that’s a good question. I probably would say no when I initially bought this truck I didn’t have any interest in serious offloading. I simply needed to get the truck higher off the ground to get through deep water and mud. And that’s really all the rough country is good for. you start getting into heavy offloading with articulation and everything that comes along with the type of trails we were doing on this day couldn’t be a worst pick for suspension
I guess you could say my goals for this truck have deviated a little bit and I think we start need start over
@4wdAdventurz looking forward to see what you do from here. I'll bet the Titan swap will be head and shoulders above the RC.
You can probably see I have the same trim that you do, but I've been running stock suspension. I think somewhere down the line I'll do something a little more modest, like a Koni lift from ADO, or maybe Dobinsons if I want a little extra lift.
You need a locker.
I would agree. Kinda feels like cheating, though lol
i pity the person that gets that truck when u trade it in
😂😂😂 100%
I wouldn't take anything other than a Jeep off-roading. Just not made for the task.
Yeah, I originally didnt intend to do this type of stuff when I initially picked this lift for the truck. Itll be off soon and going with a solid offroad set up.
The only mistake I seen was it was a Nissan
Silly rabbit. New trucks aren't for off roading...they are for looking at.
😂😂. I'm starting to believe it hahaha wtf..
Jesus dude. Sorry to see, poop does happen when wheeling. Fix it and roll.
Yup. All you can do..
CAN YOU NOT GET AN AFTERMARKET AXLE THAT'S TOUGHER THEN NAILS⁉️ YA ✔️... Read more
no. No one makes them yet.
@@4wdAdventurz damn ‼️ maybe soon a tougher axle will come out. Altho you'd think someone would already have it. Since 2020
RCV Performance used to make Frontier and Titan CV axles. If you want them now, it’s a custom order. And they’re not cheap.
I have a Calmini drop bracket kit on order and am using Titan 6” ProComp spindles with the Titan swap.
The M205 is stronger, and V8 Pathfinder uses one, and the CV’s slide right in to your current spindle/hubs.
I just picked up a 3.36 geared M205 for $400. I’m doing a 3.69 gear swap with an ARB.
I believe there was a Titan swapped V8 Pathfinder with a solid rear axle swap running 37’s at the Z1 event this year.
There’s a guy in NC that has a V8 pathfinder with a drop bracket and rear solid axle swap that is also running 37’s.
You may be able to just do a M205 and use the V8 Pathfinder CV’s and keep everything else.
A stronger axle will just brake something else, you have to have a weak point and a CV is easy to change.
Drop brackets aren’t the best for moderate to hard off roading. But you can break axles with any lift. Just carry trail spares and you’ll be fine. Tie rod ends are good to have on hand as well. IFS problems 😵💫🫡