Dear GCN: Please keep making fun videos like this! I'm greatly enjoying Alex's creativity and ingenuity, but the best thing is seeing these awesome used parts being recycled into a fun new project! Can't wait for the next one!
The reason the seat debonded in the first place was the two mating surfaces weren't properly prepared. Shiny surface means the JB Weld will debond again because there's no mechanical interaction. (The "metal-filled" thing is just marketing crap - won't make any structural difference). What you need to do is heavily scour both surfaces - a bit of 32 grit sandpaper, or a small dremel bit in there to rough it all up on both parts. Then your standard 5min araldite, which is a standard epoxy resin similar to what the seat is made with, will fix it up properly.
@@stephencurry8552 Yes, I'm not a mechanical engineer, but I am certified to repair composite fibre aircraft structures. There's no structural strength in that as the particles are too small to create a proper matrix in the resin to distribute the load throughout the bond. If they were large enough, then it becomes too large to get the two surfaces to mate together and you end up with a big blob of weak material sitting between the rail and the seat top. That will fail again rapidly in such a high stress location. Might be OK if you want something for space filling like a slightly stronger car bog which is where we use something similar - resin with glass flock in it
I was the guy that sold Alex the bike in the first place. I nearly sold it to a bloke who told me it was the only Trek, Tour de France bike he didn't have in his collection. I expect he was going to display it on his wall. I hope he has not seen what Alex has done to that beautiful paintwork, it was a classic. Alex, please remember you are not Jeremy Clarkson. Do I win my old bike back if I guess the weight saving for taking off the paint ? My guess - 234g
Yeah, love it Alex Started my last build with a £39 Dolan frame and carbon forks, many used parts later with help from Julian house, finished runs tiagra 4700 total cost around £400, ride it loads and love it ; )
__ bike on a budget should be a series! I'd love to see more kinds of this - aero on a budget, gravel on a budget, etc etc My guess for bike paint weight is 121g
With the budgets GCN has the sollution is just to go out and buy second hand whatever you were going to build. But true, there is a lot of entertainment in the process. And some compatibility warnings (but not much tricks to overcome those)
My 1980 Panasonic Touring bike, will never be super light, but will be a badass gravel beast, when I’m done with it. I am sticking with fairly budget minded, or used or NOS components.
Alex, your advise on how to conduct an eBay transaction was spot on. Here in the US, many police stations advertise themselves as places to conduct sales transactions.
In the U.S. the racist police are the criminals. Terrible advice, especially if the person is a minority , you're going to send them to the fascist pigs?...lol DON'T GO TO THE CRIMINAL POLICE ....LMFAO! OK BOOMER!
Love the series! My guess is 81 Gramms! I once sanded down an aluminium frame and polished it up to mirror finish. It had a shoddy paint job on it before, but that still only saved 125 Gramms!
In my youth I started out with 105, then 600, then Dura Ace. I also have a newer bike with Tiagra and haven't got any complaint about Tiagra. As a schoolboy I always aspired to Campagnolo group set. Planning and hoping to treat myself (finally!) to a Campagnolo after all, all these years later.
By the way…. For those who don’t know what’s hill climbing you should check a video Ollie presented a few years ago for Cycling weekly channel. I know GCN doesn’t bring it up because of obvious reasons (I hope they don’t get bothered if I do) Anyway, Ollie did such a inspirational masterpiece with that video and it was simply amazing. It’s impossible not being an Ollie fan after watching that.
using the same Risk titanium skewers on my caad12. great skewers, they develop a creak after some time, so what I did was put some grease on the pivot/ball joint, for the lack of the proper term for it.
I think you miscalculated - you bought the wheels for 300 GBP, not 325 as you counted in the final calculation. That means you have 30 GBP left and not just 5. So… what about some lightweight outer cables?
At min 6;22 you can see 2nd class (which is typically 3 days) is included in the price, plus his email confirms total at £300. I.e. no extra postage cost. This means Alex did not pay extra for quicker postage. The item also took 3 days too. Also quicker postage wouldn't cost a £25 premium over 2 class.
Correction: Look up completed listings 'Tune Mig Mag X Zipp 303 Tubular Carbon Wheelset 10 Speed' Only one item appears, which are these wheels. You can see he paid £16 for first class delivery.
I'm glad you sanded it. I support removing any and all reminders of the Discovery Liestrong era. Bare carbon looks better than any paintjob that trek has ever done.
Another great eBay tip is to heart/ like the item you want to buy. If you can wait, usually within 24-48 hours if the item isn’t sold the seller will drop message you with an offer that’s usually around 20% off. You can then counter with the nearest round number below their offer and they typically accept. Great of you’re not in a rush to get the item you want
You saved a whopping 3.6 grams with paint removal. I got a mixed wheelset on my bike, my rear wheel, HED, off of Craigslist and the front wheel, Bontrager, from Proscloset for just under $400 usd combined. Good luck with the build and the hill climb.
Not sure who is producing these series with you Alex but I'm loving it. The lighting is amazing, the grafx are awesome and you're doing a stellar job!! Shame you for taking off the paint
I've sanded some of my skipoles before to mae them lighter. I probably imagine the upgrade to better than it actually is. I'm still confident that one pole with colour weighing 70 grams, one without the paint fall on maybe 65 grams. I think he gains 66 grams by removing all the paint.
I love these types of projects. I also love bling top of the range content but, every once in a while, it's nice to be remembered that you don't need to sell a kidney in order to improve your bike.
If I were building a uberlight bike on a budget, my pick would've been a 2002-2003 Fuji Team Super Lite/ SL. Those were aluminum race bikes, that weighed 7 kg out of the box with Ultegra. I'm pretty sure they can be had for under or around 500 nowadays
This bike rebuild transcended into the Quentin Tarantino universe of cinematography with the number of "naked feet shots" we all got to see! On the other hand, it has that solo RUclipsr vibe going on, well-done GCN editing crew 👏
Thank you for sanding it. My guess 126 grams. I subscribed finally after watching yout show for years and even having gcn+ but never subscribed this channel. Now I did so don't feel too bad about the sanding. Also I am bike painter so if you ever need new paint on it... 😁
I'd guess 96g... Simple question from ep1: what do you use to fill the cage bolt holes in the frame after removing the bolts to save weight? Or leave them open?
127 grams saved is my guess. I'm sure some carbon has left the frame too with all the sanding. Ugly thing now though. I got a carbon seat like that on ebay from China BTW for $25 USD. Seems super strong.
Hey! How about dropping the final chain drive and going to a belt drive like on the Cube Editor bicycle?! Saves weight but will cost just a little bit more. But for the hill climb.... It's secret weapon time, RIGHT!
Hey GCN, just a quick note that you messed up on the total amount spent since you got the wheels for 300, not 325! Loving these relatable and fun budget bike episodes, can’t wait for the next one!
Going tubular is a mistake in my opinion, with very cheap tpu inner tubes being available and far better choices for clincher wheels and tires. If weight is more important than usability or anything else I guess it makes sense.
Awesome video,I really love these themed videos like Ollies one to.The frame and fork look really nice bare.Rivets would help a lot on the saddle it would as they would help the bond with stresses.Safe riding.💯👌🏻✌🏻
I guess that the frame and fork are 118grams lighter without paint! But keep making these vids, I enjoy riding my bike much more after looking to this!! Greetings from Belgium!!!
I bought a set of those skewers. Very light indeed but not very robust. Got a puncture on the rear and when tightening the skewer the handle part of it snapped off. Luckily the skewer was partially tight. I cycled the remaining 12 miles home rather cautiously to say the least. Do not buy them!
How much weight do you think Alex saved by removing all the paint?
120g
76g
181g
58g
185g
Dear GCN: Please keep making fun videos like this! I'm greatly enjoying Alex's creativity and ingenuity, but the best thing is seeing these awesome used parts being recycled into a fun new project! Can't wait for the next one!
Thanks - and noted!! 😄
The reason the seat debonded in the first place was the two mating surfaces weren't properly prepared. Shiny surface means the JB Weld will debond again because there's no mechanical interaction. (The "metal-filled" thing is just marketing crap - won't make any structural difference). What you need to do is heavily scour both surfaces - a bit of 32 grit sandpaper, or a small dremel bit in there to rough it all up on both parts. Then your standard 5min araldite, which is a standard epoxy resin similar to what the seat is made with, will fix it up properly.
"Justin" the metal particles do have a purpose. Evidently you do not have any actual mechanical engineering experience.
@@stephencurry8552 He's not wrong about everything else.
@@stephencurry8552 Yes, I'm not a mechanical engineer, but I am certified to repair composite fibre aircraft structures. There's no structural strength in that as the particles are too small to create a proper matrix in the resin to distribute the load throughout the bond. If they were large enough, then it becomes too large to get the two surfaces to mate together and you end up with a big blob of weak material sitting between the rail and the seat top. That will fail again rapidly in such a high stress location. Might be OK if you want something for space filling like a slightly stronger car bog which is where we use something similar - resin with glass flock in it
@@justincouch6964 Sure you are sport.
I suggest that Alex add some layer of carbon roving / band impreged with epoxy on top of rail/seat junction too ...
Ollie using a pseudonym? Is this the return of Boliver Fridgewood?
Boliver Fridgewater
Fringe-wood
Olive R. Fridgefood
@boliverfridgewood
Olivier Pontbois?
I was the guy that sold Alex the bike in the first place. I nearly sold it to a bloke who told me it was the only Trek, Tour de France bike he didn't have in his collection. I expect he was going to display it on his wall. I hope he has not seen what Alex has done to that beautiful paintwork, it was a classic. Alex, please remember you are not Jeremy Clarkson. Do I win my old bike back if I guess the weight saving for taking off the paint ? My guess - 234g
Yeah, love it Alex
Started my last build with a £39 Dolan frame and carbon forks, many used parts later with help from Julian house, finished runs tiagra 4700 total cost around £400, ride it loads and love it ; )
Awesome. Submit it into the Bike Vault on the GCN app if you haven't already - we'd love to see it!
I've had those RISK skewers on 2 of my bikes for years, they are fine.
__ bike on a budget should be a series! I'd love to see more kinds of this - aero on a budget, gravel on a budget, etc etc
My guess for bike paint weight is 121g
Agreed.
With the budgets GCN has the sollution is just to go out and buy second hand whatever you were going to build. But true, there is a lot of entertainment in the process. And some compatibility warnings (but not much tricks to overcome those)
We'd certainly love to do more of these!
Agreed. Especially since I’ll be building some for my boys
112 grams saved in sanding the frame. Always interested in bike build projects like this.
My 1980 Panasonic Touring bike, will never be super light, but will be a badass gravel beast, when I’m done with it. I am sticking with fairly budget minded, or used or NOS components.
Awesome Benjamin - stick it in the Bike Vault for us when you're done!!
@@gcntech Bike Vault?
Part of me would love to build up a 70s frame into a retro styled drillium climber
I like the more dramatic lighting for the GCN Tech desk
Seriously loving this series, and looking forwards to part 3.
I have the same RISK skewers - they don't have little conical springs, but that doesn't seem to matter, they work just fine, and are very light.
Alex, your advise on how to conduct an eBay transaction was spot on. Here in the US, many police stations advertise themselves as places to conduct sales transactions.
In the U.S. the racist police are the criminals. Terrible advice, especially if the person is a minority , you're going to send them to the fascist pigs?...lol
DON'T GO TO THE CRIMINAL POLICE ....LMFAO! OK BOOMER!
Love the series! My guess is 81 Gramms! I once sanded down an aluminium frame and polished it up to mirror finish. It had a shoddy paint job on it before, but that still only saved 125 Gramms!
97 grams saved by removing all the paint, I guess.
Really really love this series, and can't wait for the part 3.
In my youth I started out with 105, then 600, then Dura Ace. I also have a newer bike with Tiagra and haven't got any complaint about Tiagra.
As a schoolboy I always aspired to Campagnolo group set. Planning and hoping to treat myself (finally!) to a Campagnolo after all, all these years later.
By the way…. For those who don’t know what’s hill climbing you should check a video Ollie presented a few years ago for Cycling weekly channel.
I know GCN doesn’t bring it up because of obvious reasons (I hope they don’t get bothered if I do)
Anyway, Ollie did such a inspirational masterpiece with that video and it was simply amazing. It’s impossible not being an Ollie fan after watching that.
It was very good.
Great video. Really enjoy Alex’s sense of humor and his knowledge about bikes. Keep it up!
Thanks Alberto!
Can't wait to see that saddle debond again😈
Oh, and my suggestion to the weight saving predition: offer the winner get their frameset repainted
why would you look forward to something to break- most likly whist someones on it...?
@@markbailey2130 that's called Schadenfreude. Also that would teach people not to bodge critical safety elements
using the same Risk titanium skewers on my caad12. great skewers, they develop a creak after some time, so what I did was put some grease on the pivot/ball joint, for the lack of the proper term for it.
Hey alex! You could sell the old parts to increase your budget! Make it super duper light!!
Clever thinking!
Nice one Oli! 76 grams saved by sanding the paint. Can't wait for pt 3!
274 grams
Edit: It's the most Ollie thing Ollie has done!
Weird, weird, weird! I serviced my Tune hubs this afternoon! Love those things. Great video. Looking forward to part three.
I think you miscalculated - you bought the wheels for 300 GBP, not 325 as you counted in the final calculation. That means you have 30 GBP left and not just 5. So… what about some lightweight outer cables?
Shipping...
He did say he'd splurge on delivery though... whether that's worth 25 Pou-Eur-llars, me knows not.
@Two-eyed Roy Okay, seems I've missed that. Thanks.
At min 6;22 you can see 2nd class (which is typically 3 days) is included in the price, plus his email confirms total at £300. I.e. no extra postage cost.
This means Alex did not pay extra for quicker postage. The item also took 3 days too.
Also quicker postage wouldn't cost a £25 premium over 2 class.
Correction:
Look up completed listings 'Tune Mig Mag X Zipp 303 Tubular Carbon Wheelset 10 Speed'
Only one item appears, which are these wheels.
You can see he paid £16 for first class delivery.
GUY BRIDGEWOOD! Nice to see him back on RUclips!
😉
Nothing like removing one of the most iconic paint jobs from one of the most iconic bikes of all time.
Aah the good old days 🤣🤣🤣
Yeah with only thousands mass produced, might never find another
@@christopherkemp338 like mazda miatas. They made a boat load. Yet...now people are paying out the nose for them.
I used the Risk Qreleases and they are pretty good, but do check your back wheel one since it came loose for me a couple times
I'm glad you sanded it. I support removing any and all reminders of the Discovery Liestrong era. Bare carbon looks better than any paintjob that trek has ever done.
Another great eBay tip is to heart/ like the item you want to buy. If you can wait, usually within 24-48 hours if the item isn’t sold the seller will drop message you with an offer that’s usually around 20% off. You can then counter with the nearest round number below their offer and they typically accept. Great of you’re not in a rush to get the item you want
You saved a whopping 3.6 grams with paint removal.
I got a mixed wheelset on my bike, my rear wheel, HED, off of Craigslist and the front wheel, Bontrager, from Proscloset for just under $400 usd combined. Good luck with the build and the hill climb.
Great vid, would love to see more of these in the future.
Not sure who is producing these series with you Alex but I'm loving it. The lighting is amazing, the grafx are awesome and you're doing a stellar job!! Shame you for taking off the paint
Those wheels are pretty slick honestly. Tune hubs are bling
Great project Alex. I’m going for 126g saved by sanding.
I've sanded some of my skipoles before to mae them lighter. I probably imagine the upgrade to better than it actually is. I'm still confident that one pole with colour weighing 70 grams, one without the paint fall on maybe 65 grams. I think he gains 66 grams by removing all the paint.
Great series, really fun to watch!
My guess for weight saved by removing the paint: 43g
Ollie's laughter was contagious 🤣. Bet you saved 34g
30 grams my guess.
Combined weight reduction seems to be around 217 grams and now it depends on how deep did u scrape into the paint and amount of leftover if any
Really enjoying this series. With Ollie, you can take the man out of Yorkshire but not the Yorkshire out of the man.
Great job Ollie with the stunt double.
I love these types of projects. I also love bling top of the range content but, every once in a while, it's nice to be remembered that you don't need to sell a kidney in order to improve your bike.
107g saved, loving this video series Alex!
If I were building a uberlight bike on a budget, my pick would've been a 2002-2003 Fuji Team Super Lite/ SL. Those were aluminum race bikes, that weighed 7 kg out of the box with Ultegra. I'm pretty sure they can be had for under or around 500 nowadays
Ih think sanding down saved 48g. Did you meet Ollies brother?
I bought titanium bolts for my bike from Risk. I don't know very much about the brand, but the bolts are legit.
Cleaning the two surfaces seems like a good place for q-tips!!
I've got some Risk pedal extenders. Great brand name! So far, the risk has paid off.
using the exact same risk quick release, no issues after thousands of km
This bike rebuild transcended into the Quentin Tarantino universe of cinematography with the number of "naked feet shots" we all got to see! On the other hand, it has that solo RUclipsr vibe going on, well-done GCN editing crew 👏
There's something for everyone in this episode! 👀😅
RISK is actually a big brand in asia, I use them on Racing and riding XC on my XC HT bike!
I am looking forward to the completed build be interesting to see a previous generation bike how much lighter it will be than a new generation
Thank you for sanding it. My guess 126 grams. I subscribed finally after watching yout show for years and even having gcn+ but never subscribed this channel. Now I did so don't feel too bad about the sanding. Also I am bike painter so if you ever need new paint on it... 😁
FWIW, that JB Weld is great stuff.
181 grams saved on the frame with no paint!
great video as always, i recon 82 g, saved by removing the paint
Hi Alex - my guess for the weight saving - 124 grams - great video and I agree re with others seeing recycled parts being used in the videos
Really good introduction to Ebay purchasing.
93 grams saved. Enjoying the series, looking forward to episode 3.
I'd guess 96g...
Simple question from ep1: what do you use to fill the cage bolt holes in the frame after removing the bolts to save weight? Or leave them open?
Well it‘s an awdome series loved the tt bike love the superlight bike. My guess is 178g
I'm going to guess you saved 212 grams, love the series, looking forward to part 3!
Cant wait to see the finished bike! 👌👌👌👌
Love this series. Can't wait for the next episode.
My guess for the weight savings on the frame would be 113g.
127 grams saved is my guess. I'm sure some carbon has left the frame too with all the sanding. Ugly thing now though. I got a carbon seat like that on ebay from China BTW for $25 USD. Seems super strong.
Great vid, weight saving for paint removal 85 grams
@GCN Tech
the weight saved from the paint sanding is about 200grams
great vid! though I must admit i found it a shame sanding dow the frame. My gues for weight saved is 181g!
Sorry Natan!!
28 grams saved, looking forward to seeing this project cmpleted!
You saved 174g!
Good luck with the climb!
I think you saved 108g after sanding 😊 great video series! Really liking it
90 grams. Enjoying the series. 🤘🏼👍🏼
Hey! How about dropping the final chain drive and going to a belt drive like on the Cube Editor bicycle?! Saves weight but will cost just a little bit more. But for the hill climb.... It's secret weapon time, RIGHT!
Good thought, but isn't there then the cost of cutting the frame to install the belt?
Hey GCN, just a quick note that you messed up on the total amount spent since you got the wheels for 300, not 325! Loving these relatable and fun budget bike episodes, can’t wait for the next one!
87g. Great series!
what tool was used to remove the bike paint? It seems easy to use.
THAT should be a separate video: fixing a broken seat!
Going tubular is a mistake in my opinion, with very cheap tpu inner tubes being available and far better choices for clincher wheels and tires. If weight is more important than usability or anything else I guess it makes sense.
the sanded frame looks sick man!
And tun-nadh!! you saved absolutely no weight after that attempt to sand that carbon frame ( the carbon dust)😊
Great job im currently building my mtb.
I`m using this quick releases. What you guys think of them, using them pretty hard here!
Awesome video,I really love these themed videos like Ollies one to.The frame and fork look really nice bare.Rivets would help a lot on the saddle it would as they would help the bond with stresses.Safe riding.💯👌🏻✌🏻
I guess that the frame and fork are 118grams lighter without paint! But keep making these vids, I enjoy riding my bike much more after looking to this!! Greetings from Belgium!!!
Such bad acting!! Love it!! 🤣🤣🤣
Nice work! 121 grams saved on the frame.
make sure to coat the frame to protect the carbon fiber
He went at the frame with a power file... The time for protecting the frame has already passed...
I think you’ve removed about 128g with stripping it. I’m trying to build a bike on a budget currently and wheels and group sets are a minefield.
135g saved, that sanding was a risk just like the QR levers...
So far I've seen 3 correct weights for the frame saving. Il give you all some help, 3 digits and starts with a 1 😎😎
Great episode. My guess is 125g. If it wasn't for your reaction I would've guessed twice that.
Great video Alex, I thought you only paid £300 for the wheels! That leaves £30 in the budget for a proper saddle 😅
98 gram saving on the paint
I imagine it's the "I'm going to pay extra for fast shipping"
Great Video, very Interesting. I think it save 36g
The rivets for the saddle will probably weigh more than all the removed paint (guess, 10 grams for the paint… maybe)
At least you apologized, give you props for that👍
205 grams saved. But I would cerakote it. It’s lighter and protects the exposed carbon.
Very cool series, really inspires me to looks for upgrades for my bike..
147 grams is my guess.
I bought a set of those skewers. Very light indeed but not very robust. Got a puncture on the rear and when tightening the skewer the handle part of it snapped off. Luckily the skewer was partially tight. I cycled the remaining 12 miles home rather cautiously to say the least. Do not buy them!
Not only did you keep your budget, but you made money doing it, it’s your job !!