I carried IWB for 15 years or more. But the biggest downside is lack of comfort. This is exacerbated being 54 years old and 60 lbs overweight (though I'm correcting the latter). But no more. Now its nothing but pocket carry. From khakis to jeans to 5.11 Taclite Pro pants, its pretty easy to pocket a Glock 43, Kahr PM9, Keltec PF9, S&W Shield, 442 and on and on. A minimalist spare mag carrier rides on the belt. For me, this is the best convergence of firepower vs comfort. Every carry system is a tradeoff. Pocket carry limits you to the "pocket 9" genre. But the upsides are numerous. You keep your hand on the gun, while appearing completely passive. Drawing is reasonably quick, with none of the "throw the shirt out of the way" movement with IWB and OWB. And when Aunt Millie gives you a hug, she never accidentally touches the gun (unless she's been drinking). Pocket carry all the way, baby!
...Okay. I've been a TNPr since 2012 (from this profile it's the beginning of 2015, but I've been following TNP since 2012 on another account. And, I've watched the video in its entirety.) I... disagree with this video completely, and I'll offer counterpoints to every single of the 10 points made: 1. "It takes more time to dress." This literally isn't an issue. One, who cares if it takes you slightly longer to dress, and two, I keep my CCW on my belt when I drop my pants at the end of the day. When I put my pants on, my gun goes on. Again, this is a non-issue. 2. "It's uncomfortable." Two things. One, having a quality holster and quality gun belt (like the Boxer Tactical Zenith Belt I use, and the Ares Gear Aegis Belt others use) significantly helps with comfort. When I carried at 5 o'clock carrying a Glock 19 was mostly fine; the thickness of the slide bothered me a little, but not enough to make me not carry. I later switched to Appendix, and the thickness of the slide no longer bothers me. Two, suck it up. You're carrying a gun in a position that allows for the fastest draw possible, which you will need in a gunfight, as time is against you. 3. "You have to size your clothing." I guess it depends on body type, but for me personally, the same size pant size fits me whether I'm carrying a gun or not. I also have a belt with variable adjustment, so my pants always fit regardless whether I'm carrying a gun or not. Again, non-issue; let carrying become a lifestyle choice and it isn't a problem. Furthermore, I don't have a whole lot of money so I don't have to worry about rotating through different carry pistols; I just carry my Glock 19 and I'm good to go. (I don't think swapping through different types of pistols is a wise idea anyway, due to different design's battery of arms.) 4. "You have to worry about brandishing." Appendix Carry solves this issue, full stop. Furthermore, if someone's going to bump-check you, there's a good chance they're going to hit the shoulder holster too. A shoulder holster isn't a guarantee against bump checks. 5. "I wear a fanny pack." With the exception of the multitool (I had to ditch the Leatherman S2 Juice as I was upgrading the firepower and accessibility of my EDC, it just didn't ride in the pocket comfortably) I can pass a gear check without needing a fanny pack. Chances are, most of the stuff you would put in a fanny pack can be put in a backpack, as you don't urgently need those items on you day to day. For me, I carry a pen, knife, flashlight, wallet, cell phone, keys & pepper spray, and my Glock and a reload (where legal to do so) on my person; anything else isn't something I'm going to need to save my life or is otherwise immediately useful, so it goes in a backpack. 6. "Taking dumps is problematic." Take gun and mag carrier, remove from belt, put on toliet paper shelf, do business, put gun back on belt, problem solved. Time isn't an issue, who cares, you've got your gun in the most accessible place possible, so draw times will always be quick with practice. 7. "Bump checks." See #4. 8. "Offside mag carriers take up more space." This is a mindset issue, not a gear issue. If someone isn't willing to carry at least one spare mag (or speedloader/speed strip if rocking a revolver) then their mindset isn't squared away and they aren't ready to defend themselves. When I'm carrying my gun, I'm carrying a spare mag, it's not that difficult. Furthermore, a shoulder holster is not going to give them a speed advantage when reloading, especially under a buttoned-up shirt. 9. "Most guys do involuntary gun checks." Again, mindset issue, not gear issue. Such people, like you said, need to train themselves out of it and get over it. As for checking for printing, people don't pay attention so it's something you don't need to worry about. Also, I wear an all-kydex holster, so I don't worry about scratchy leather. 10. "You'll wear [as in wear and tear] your gun more often?" Here's the reality. If you ever get involved in a defensive shooting, and you hear the police sirens coming towards you, guess what you're doing? You're dropping that gun. And that gun will sit in a police evidence locker for months, maybe years, assuming you ever get it back at all. If your gun is used in a defensive shooting, you can say goodbye to the gun's pretty finish. So don't worry about; it's a life-saving device, not a piece of artwork you show off to your friends. One last note: the probability of needing to use a gun is low for civilians in the USA, but guess what? If we're going by probability, we can justify not carrying a gun at all. We don't make decisions about carrying a gun based on probability, we justify it based on the severity of consequences if we don't carry. Gunfights last seconds, not minutes, and you need to get your gun out fast in that scenario. Shoulder holsters from concealment simply aren't fast enough as IWB; if you don't believe me, take a Force-on-Force class that uses airsoft guns or paint-marking cartridges. You'll see very quickly why IWB is the way to go, and change your EDC around that.
Good discussion. There are problems with every system, and no "one size fits all" solution, but the key is to adopt a carry method you can use consistently, and keep rockin' it.
A couple of decades ago when I was (more of a dinky) I holstered a 44 magnum with my finger still in the trigger guard. If that gun didn't have a very heavy trigger pull I'd probably have a prosthetic foot right now (at best).
Always reluctantly reholster. You already have it out, you're already doing business, the cops won't be there for at least 5mikes. There is no hurry, be sure the threat is gone.
South Florida here. T-shirt and flipflops are my daily attire. IWB is necessary so I'm not Printing everywhere I go. It definitely has Pros and Cons. I guess what im saying is in a tropical climate IWB is a must.
because in miami most people where white pants, white tshirt and a unbuttoned colorful shirt over it all so its perfect for shoulder carry...or at least they used too in the 80s. Usually white shoes too
In case anyone's confused about this video- it's an opinion piece. It's not a comprehensive study, an analytical breakdown of every element of carry systems to decide, it's a preference video. Coming up on 9 years in TNP and a constant question has been "why shoulder carry? Why not ankle/IWB/Appdx" and this is your answer. Personal preference doesn't have to be 100% backed up by logic, otherwise it wouldn't be much of an opinion- it would be fact. Every system gives up a few points while emphasizing others, just like every other tool, toy, vehicle, gadget, machine, etc. I'm watching comments here to address when we do a roundtable of it. I'm IWB most of the time, and the points below could end up in that video too. So, y'know, don't be a dick. :D Doodle
i think your opinion is spot on nutn. it seems like nobody in the gun community wants to talk about it but IWBC is uncomfortable for lots of folks (like me) and impractical for for others (also like me). your company picnic analogy was spot on. my company's official policy is no weapons whatsoever. and I spend a lot of time in a vehicle. shoulder holster carry would make much more sense for me than IWBC.
Urban carry holsters work pretty well. Draw speed is slow, sadly. I swap between that and a j-frame in the pocket. Nothing beats a j-frame for comfort.
Great content as usual nutn! Would love to see you test and review and kydex appendix carry rig with a attached magazine carrier. Otherwise known as a sidecar, lots of companies producing them now, highly recommend T.REX Arms. Link: trex-arms.com/
Not entirely true...it is a good system when your out in gym shorts going to or from the gym and car. Like everything right time and place and it makes sense.
I have watched a ton of IWC carry videos and you are the only one who addresses bigger pant waist size for this carry style. I know it should be assumed but thanks for at least talking about it. I wish some other well-known channel hosts would address this more often. Keep up the great posts, you have a great channel.
good points made, I can say from my own experience IWB carry has certainly made my carry guns filthy with lint and dust so I have to clean them way more frequently...
"A well-regulated bowel being necessary for the security of your underwear, the right of the people to drop trou and take a dump in the Cabela's toilet shall not be infringed." So you're the guy who's always taking a dump in the public restroom? Lol
Ha! yea, im always wondering while im pissing who that guy is as well. Maybe once a year I'll have an emergency out and about but home court advantage all day long.
+Psychological Nudist My local Cabela's actually has a nice and well-maintained bathroom. But more times than not, whenever I'm shopping there and need to take a leak, there's always some dude "taking the Browns to the Super Bowl" in the stall next to me. Maybe it's a way of marking territory?
+Dex Morgan I guess. it almost seems like everyone who uses our bathrooms goes to Taco Bell prior to shopping. Even after we open at 9, the bathrooms are a "shitty" place.
I live in California and we, for the most part, can't CCW. I am here watching the video because I just like your opinions and the fun way you deliver them.
my friend owns a company loading atms and he carries an average of 20-40k on him at a time, where we live we can't even get a ccw right now, but he carries anyways, one of many reasons why we are leaving cali.
A long time coming, check out an assortment of holsters, carry pistols, fanny packs, and kirkland 'mom jeans' while we look at all the downsides of IWB carry. It's popular for a lot of good reasons, but NF definitely prefers his miami vice style. Why? Check it out above. -Doodle
Could you please follow up with "The 10 best ways to carry Miami Vice?" Or some type of follow up video showcasing the systems and clothes you use for it along with the types of guns and companies you like.
I agree with all you said, but you should try a Stealth Gear Onyx IWB holster. It's $100, but if you ever have to IWB carry, it'll change your life. I drive a GTI with bolstered seats, and even then it disappears.
speaking of obvious signs to a trained eye, fanny packs were out of style a long time ago. 9/10 times it is concealing a weapon and anyone around you who knows what's up will know. For me, it doesn't fit my POU of low profile as possible
I used to be a manager at a movie theater and over the period of 4 and a half years there I found 3 firearms that off duty officers left. Gun checks are important but only do it when it's necessary. Whenever I stand up I'll brush my arm up against it to make sure it's there. Don't make its obvious though, IWBC has it uses for majority of people and daily life. That's why it's so popular. This is my opinion though, great video still whenever I'm in my monkey suit I use a shoulder holster.
You didn't address OWB. I have a custom pancake style to hold my G42 with an offside mag holder same style. I am carrying with a fast presentation and wearing normal pants. It's much more comfortable
I like pocket carry. Kahr CM9 in a sticky holster works for me. I refuse to build my wardrobe around concealed carry. I am way too lazy and last minute for anything else. IWB is hard on your clothes the clips eventually wear holes in your clothing.
Appendix carry with a combo holster+magazine holster is the easiest and most comfortable method I have found. It's comfortable in the car, while walking around, while exercising, and it's very fast to put on and fast to draw.
He still has his appy carry he sewed back in '93. It's comfy for most purposes, gives a good spot to pack everything for the most part, etc. I could've sworn it was already reviewed though. I wouldn't mind trying a more modern version of it. -Doodle
+nutnfancy I guess I will get back to you guys on this thread when I lose my gut and appendix carry is an option. Till then it's the galco shoulder rig
I left California and moved to Texas, the gun laws were a big part of that decision. But dude we need to talk about the jeans selection sometime. Kirkland? I left all those in California, Lol!
Love your videos and agree with you most of the time but I can't figure out why you're struggling with IWB carry. I have a Walther PPS in a Galco Stow and Go and can throw it on in 3 seconds. Secondly, hard to beat those Costco Jeans for $12.99 best deal around and don't let the mom jeans comments bother you because $12.99 is what we pay when our mom's are no longer buying them for us.
Carrying since 1983, have two boxes full of various types of holsters/carry systems that I have tried, experimented with, etc.... always come back to IWB. The past 5 years or so, S & W / M & P 9C in an Alien Gear IWB at 3:30 on the right, spare mag on the left at 3:30 in a knife case with a flap, OWB (no one has ever called it out). 99% of the time I am wearing jeans and a t-shirt, tucked in. Also, clipped on my belt in full view... a red line flashlight, a small belt pack with a Leatherman muti-tool, paracord, gauze, tape, band aides, nylon strap, latex gloves, nail clippers, etc., I have a red First Aid cross attached to the outside of the belt pack. Clipped on my front left pocket is a knife, another smaller one inside the pocket. All of my on-board gear is accessible with both hands. Have never been called out.... not once. Shirt tucked in and bloused over conceals the gun well. I am smaller built so it is harder to "hide" gear/guns... at 5' 6" and 140. I am a pastor.... I live in Central PA.... I carry every day, all day.... FOR ME.... IWB works the best in my situations and environment. To each his own.... do what works for YOU.
Glock 19, Gen 3 with an Alien Gear IWB holster and DeSantis pocket mag pouch is my typical carry. Alien Gear is by far the most comfortable holster I have ever worn. The neoprene backing addresses the sweat problem. When not carrying the G19, its a Shield in a Galco king tuck holster. Also very comfortable. As far as taking a dump, I have gotten into the habit when carrying and nature calls to simply grab the holster while dropping trow and control its descent to about knee level. No smacking into the porcelain throne or knocking on the floor. Plus I like having the G19 handy while on the throne, just in case the poo gets ornery.
I understand a lot of your points, but I think for the most part if you're going to carry a full size handgun, IWB is about your only recourse. My most common carrys this year have been either a P226 or an M&P45, and I carry them IWB in Alien Gear holsters with just a t shirt and an unbuttoned shirt over it. I definitely agree on the bathroom issues, but I typically take it out of its holster and put it on the tank of the toilet or on top of the TP dispenser so I don't have to worry about it falling out (I know some may argue that you might then forget it, but I'm always super concious about where it is when I've unholstered it, so it hasn't been a problem for me, but I know it might be a problem for some.) I've always liked the idea of a shoulder holster, but as Doodle has mentioned, and particularly with a full sized handgun in a horizontal shoulder holster, they just print too much. Id be much more interested in a vertical shoulder option, but they're a lot less common. However if I can I'm a big proponent of pocket carry, that way I don't have to worry so much about "being situated" with an IWB holster. Particularly in the summer Ill just throw a J frame in my pocket, but I've also pocket carried the G43, G26, XDs, and PPS without issue.
I both agree with your opinions on this and disagree. I generally have at least 3 separate holsters for the 4 guns I keep in rotation. Usually there is multiple carry positions for the needs of the day. IWB, OWB, Shoulder Carry, Ankle Carry, Pocket Carry..... depending on the gun I have holsters for it and have used it situationally. All that being said my normal carry method and gun is a S&W M&P C in an OWB Desantis Speed Scabbard on a Galco Cop Belt with a spare mag in a pocket holster. It works for me based on body type, where I live, and how I dress. At the end of the day what works for you might not work for me and vice-versa. You have given me things to think about with this video though so ThankYou for that!
but the point still stands that its a pain and makes you deal with your gun when he doesnt have to. i prefer IWB and i put the gun in my pants too, BUT his point is still valid.
I carry almost exclusively in OWB Kydex holsters and mag pouches. I either open carry at home and in the woods, or I carry concealed under a vest in civilization. I also "openly carry concealed" in a Sneaky Pete-type holster that I made for when it's too hot for anything but a t-shirt. I'm working on making a shoulder holster for a Ruger Redhawk, and I'm considering making or buying some other vertical shoulder holsters just so I can carry various pistols without wearing a belt, like for if I'm kayaking or wearing wind pants. I have made a dozen or so IWB holsters for customers, but I'll never carry IWB myself for several of the reasons you mentioned; primarily discomfort and poor fitment in my regular pants - considering that I always wear my belt tight just to hold up the equipment on my belt and in my pockets.
I struggle with the concept of how Open Carry, which is legal without a permit in Utah, isn't brandishing, but as soon as your printing or your shirt exposes the gun by lifting up, how that is brandishing? I am not really asking, it just confirms a little about what you're saying here Nutn. I've resorted to appendix carry in the summer because I hate the idea of dressing around a gun. I feel like I should be able to conceal without having to buy a bunch of larger clothing just to carry everyday. Appendix allows me to do that and conceal better, and print less.
I carried (concealed) all over Europe while stationed there (before I retired) as part of my job. Always wore a shoulder rig - and believe me, they weren't as "good" then as they are now. As a matter of fact, they actually SUCKED. However, they served their purpose and it worked well. Today, 20 years after retiring from the Army - I STILL use a shoulder rig whenever possible. I have tried, repeatedly, to like IWB but just can't get accustomed to it. just feels "weird" to me. My latest "trial" was the Alien Gear Cloak Mod 3.0 and, while it is comfortable - it, too, just doesn't feel right. Guess this old man is just stuck in the 60s and 70s! :) Great Vid, though!
I carry a Glock 19 with a spare magazine nearly every day. I wear pants with a one inch larger waste and I wear a kydex reinforced leather belt. I wear my normal size t-shirts. Appendix carry makes it very easy, as long as you don't have a big gut.
OK. Nice video. I don't agree. But to each his own. I have carried a gun in almost every different holster there is. If I have a choice I carry IWB/AIWB. Dress around the gun. Don't put on rubber grips. Don't carry your mags IWB. Wear a real gun belt (hint: not made by 5.11).. Stay away from hybrid holsters (plastic with leather backing).. If you have to poop in a stall put your gear in your pants, and reverse the process when done. Oh and close the WC lid before putting on your gear...
So pumped to see this video from you nutn!! Just wanted to say that we all appreciate your hard work with this channel, and it doesn't go unnoticed! Keep up the good work! TNP'r for life!!
I'm glad I'm not the only one who prefers other methods of carry, most of the time. I find IWBC uncomfortable for most of the things I do. Seems to admit that casts you into that "uncool" void in the gun community, so I usually don't bother mentioning it in comments. But I'll take being uncool, so that I'm still prepared. I think that comes through in most of your videos, and I thank you for being a dissenting voice when everyone else is going the other direction. You do what works for you, based on experience and you don't care what the consensus is. I admire that.
Hey Nutnfancy , I just found your videos lately while doing to some research on an alternative to Ar's, and they convinced me to go out and buy a mini-14 ranch here in California. I grew up shooting a M1 Garand and the M16a2 I used in the Navy never felt natural to me but the Mini-14 feels and shoots great, thanks for the work you do.
Business professional here. I'm married to N82 Tactical IWB tuckable. 4 o clock, It disappears from your mind and body with tucked shirts. I've tried shoulder, ankle, other brand IWB, and belly band. N82 is single belt clip, pad to eliminate metal to skin contact, and adjustable clip angle. Excellent retention, but easy to draw. I carry Sig P938 and keep an extra mag in my left front pocket. Carried daily with this rig for 2 years now.
Im going to point out just the last one since it was right at the end. I find it strange that you follow your example of IWB having the negative of possible ND's into the thigh with "who cares, I have trigger control" talking about shoulder holsters. Your example depends solely on the factor of the person with a shoulder holster having 100% flawless trigger discipline and the person carrying IWB being negligent. So with as much respect as I have towards you, you went into the video with a pretty strong bias that was blatantly evident right then, as well as more than a few other times. If you re-watch the video yourself you'll be able to make a whole separate video titled "10 times Nutnfancy directly contradicted himself about IWB because of personal bias".
And if you are going to muzzle yourself, do you want to do it on the outer thigh/hip, or your heart and lungs? And if you're going to have an ND, do you want it going straight down, or perpendicular to the ground at about 4 feet height. I think IWB is uncomfortable, but for safety reasons, I think IWB is possibly the more responsible way to go. And just a heads up, Nutn isn't much more than any of us, just a dude with his preferences (who happens to like talking into a video camera). That's it.
Youtry to make a case brother but I think you're a little bit off. Tell me what are the statistics for people who have shot themselves using a shoulder holster? Pretty slim. Whenreholstering a shoulder holster you do not muzzle yourself unless you're an idiot. However for waistband there are many people who have shot themselves. I don't think that's personal bias that's just statistics and what I've seen.. I stand by the video. -nutnfancy.
nutnfancy What are the stats of people that IWB vs shoulder? My impression is that shoulder is statistically insignificant so few people do it. Maybe I'm wrong about that, that is just my personal experience. Who in the world is collecting stats on carry methods?
I've looked at shoulder holsters as a carry system and opted not to adopt it. It would be too hard for me to carry something under moderately light clothing. Whatever works for you though nutnfancy- that's the goal at the end of the day. I employ (levels 1-3) pocket, IWB, OWB. 1) I go 1-2" bigger than normal for pants and I use a Galco quick detach IWB for my level 2 (of 3) system. I don't find it to be a problem. 2) Ok. I don't mind my IWB- but to be fair when I carried a Bersa Thunder .380 the decocker rubbed me the wrong way. IWB can rub you the wrong way sometimes when folks drive. 3) Yup. You do have to select a different wardrobe with IWB carry. I go slightly larger with a proper gun belt (Crossbreed) in my pants size because of the gun. It's not a problem for me. I adjust my belt accordingly. Yup. I must consider that fact with carry level 3 in my system (OWB M&P 9mm). I am fine adapting to it. You're boned 'tucking your pants in' and lose time. That's a great point.
4) I've never been caught printing because I am not a dumb dumb. 'Brandishing' isn't a factor in Pennsylvania. But that is my unique set of circumstances. To make sure that OWB gun of mine doesn't play peek-a-boo I kneel and squat differently. That's the closest I'll ever get to printing or 'brandishing'. @15:31 fair point. 5) Ok. 6) Lol. I either don't mind people seeing it or I move my underwear over the gun. If I don't want to be caught with my level 2 system I compromise with level 1 (pocket carry). @19:20 pure negligence. @20:00 meh. @20:50 meh. 7) Bump checks are an issue. But I haven't been bumped checked the 3:30 to 4:00 area. @22:49 NO. I like my nads ._. 8) Fair point. I compromise carrying mags in my pocket, and I KNOW it slows me down. Level 3 (maybe Level 2) I am considering an off-side carrier. 9) Bad habit. I agree. @26:35 meh. Never had that issue. 10) Yup.
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I tried carrying other ways and this was the way that was a comprimise of comfort, effectivness, and it enables me to carry a full size gun if I want to... and, I train this way now.
It's funny, shoulder holsters and fanny packs being the most logistically convenient modes of CC seem to have so much negative 'cultural cringe' baggage attached to them..
I avoid the unconscious gun checks but I constantly pull on the back of my shirt almost everytime I stand up to make sure nothing came uncovered and my shirt didnt get trapped inbetween myself and the firearm
right on nutn glad you did this video, i started out carring iwbc, it didnt take me very long to start looking for better, more comfortable ways to carry, my guns changed, my carry method changed, and my clothing even changed, for me now most of the time Im carring simple pocket carry, just because its fast easy and i can incoperate it into almost any type of clothing. i carry smith and wesson mp 380 it goes where i go always.
after hearing Nutn talk about the Galco Lite for YEARS and YEARS now, I finally ordered one yesterday after watching the video. I'm ready to see what all the hype is about!
Sorry, my wife still likes me to wear fitted clothing and look good. No way is a fanny pack under a shirt or a shoulder holster under anything except a suit/sport coat going to look good (and then you can't take the damn coat off). How the heck do you one hand access a shoulder holster (ECQC) under a closed or buttoned shirt anyway (especially with off-hand)? I have 3 criteria for carry position: 1) Always concealed even if I take my outer layer off. 2) Accessible one-handed with either dominant and non-dominant hand. 3) Accessible in a wide variety of common positions (standing, seated, reclined/lying down). The only time I ever have to change from AIWB is if shirts need to be tucked (business/formal), then ankle carry is my backup. Interestingly, I have never had to size my pants differently, probably because my thighs and not my waist are the major sizing factor in pants. I have short, thick legs, so a 30x30 pants may fit my waist but not my thighs. So I end up having to get 32" pants anyway. Pull the dot loops on my holster work great for me - easy on and off. I dream about being gear checked, but live nowhere near nutn; - Pistol + spare mag (@ 2 & 10) - Small fixed blade (@ 11) - Med kit in pouch on belt (Dark Angel Pocket Dark + Chest Seal, @ 4-5) - Flashlight + multitool on PocketShield in front pocket (no clips showing) - Keys with pepper-spray Always have these on me in addition to phone (belt holster @ 8) and wallet (other pants pocket). Works with regular jeans/dress slacks/shorts.
I agree about IWB. However OWB with Raven holster eliminates many of the IWB hassles. A cover garment is necessary with any carry but pocket. So why not OWB?
Having carried concealed for close to 40 yrs I've tried several carry methods-IWB, Appendix, OWB, Shoulder, Low/middle back, fanny pack, etc. Over the last 8+ yrs I've used a 'U.S. Peacekeepers-Rapid Deployment Pack' in black as my main carry method. To me it solves many issues, i.e., EDC MUST-HAVES, light, pepper spray, small med pack, wallet, second knife, spare mags, etc., while minimizing the drawbacks. Yes I know it's slow on the draw-that's where hyper vigilance and situational awareness is my "trump" card (too early?!?!?) I NEVER leave home without my RDP, or what my kids call-Dad's "ManBag". And NO, I've never drawn undue suspicion or attention from LE with this method of carry-NOT to say you won't.
I work at a bank, I wear a polo and slacks or shirt/tie and slacks. SG USA and my shield works great. I'm small and I don't print. I'm up and down all day and often forget I'm carrying.
i mean, they dont change anything that hes talking about except help you not sweat as much as leather will. i dont like them cause they dont make custom molds.. they are very cookie cutter and inflexible.
I'll agree with Stealthgear....been through most every major brand, and SG is by far the most comfortable out there. Desantis, Alien Gear, Foxx, etc.....they're ok, but you're still wearing a slab of leather. The SG allows me to carry much more gun than I was with lesser holsters.
ya, they are ok if you like their colors and have a system they already make the holster for. But for people who want light bearing systems for their guns and want their color choices, there are much better custom shops.
Well I disagree, but you do what you want, if we all had the same opinions the world would be pretty dull. That being said I own a galco classic light, I bought it because of your recommendation, I hate that holster, if I wear an undershirt and a button up like you it's fine, but in a t shirt it's a no go. As far as belts and pants go, I buy a gun belt, I like the scuba webbing belts by ares gear and soe gear they're firmer, but don't poke you like some gun belts. The soe gear low profile is the most comfortable I've found. And pants I wear all my pants a full size bigger and have a belt with lots of adjustment so I can go from inside the waistband to outside and not need different pants and belts. As far as extra mags go I've been playing with making my own otw horizontal pouch so it follows the belt line, but usually I stick a mag in my left pocket, you might say that's slow to get to, but your mag on the shoulder holster is not fast to get to either plus I carry full size guns
So I have 17 or 18 rds in the gun I doubt I'll need more. And IMO printing doesn't matter, I carry a sig p226 or a g17 everyday and no one knows or cares, most people don't pay attention and if they did find out, then fuck them I'm obeying the law most of the time. Just my 2 cents.
I actually liked your comment. But do you really carry a P226every day, I bet you don't. I know from personal experience guys who say they carry a full-size pistol quit doing it after a while. If you do brother I am hats off to you, big salute. -nutn
+nutnfancy I alternate between a g17 and a p226, and I'd say I carry 95% of the time, if I'm lazy I skip a day here or there but that's usually when I'm just hanging around the house, I've been carrying since 2011 when I turned 21, I started carrying a sig p229 and stopped quickly because I didn't get the whole belt/holster thing, after that I went and bought a keltec pf9 which I bought also because of you, that gun was very easy to carry, but mine kept dropping the mag so I ditched it, then I tried tons of guns and in the process found good holsters and belts and settled on a g26, then I bought a g19 and started carrying that, my favorite pistol has always been a sig p226, so when the g19 lead to a g17 I was like why don't I carry a 226? And not being able to answer that lead to me carrying a 226, the weight doesn't bother me, probably because I only carry a gun with extra magazine, a knife, a Swiss Army knife, a flash light, a wallet and a cell phone. I've been doing that for
+nutnfancy 3 years now and it works for me. Btw I'm a huge fan, I've been watching you since you reviewed the falkniven A2 in 09 or so. I'm all sorts of owls, I even follow your Instagram even though you haven't posted on it lol. You should put some stuff on Instagram, I think it would be up your alley. Anyway thanks for the reply, you should do more videos on how to carry, every gun guy I know has a multi year process of learning the same stuff, I bet the video would help a lot of dudes.
Fact Check: True. I IWB & have run into all the issues Nutn raised, but as he says it's a system & is quite workable when I approach it that way - pistol, holster, pants, belt, shirts & spare mag. Great vid Nutn pls keep them coming.
I carried g19 or 17 with the incog, after much research I came across the JW custom Kydex. gave it a shot and my incog collects dust. appendix carried holly crap what a difference! it's unbelievable the the Comfort upgrade that it made! I'll never look back. I ordered another I was so impressed. if anyone carries appendix the JW custom Kydex is a must! you'll never want for another holster
IWB holsters are nice to clip inside of your vehicle like the dash underneath the steering wheel. If it were winter time and I had a jacket on most of the time, a shoulder holster would be a good choice. Shoulder holsters are very comfortable. When I was deployed, we all used shoulder holsters during our downtime.
meh... I can't get behind the "rule of law" framework you lay out. Basically you say that in ROL the likelihood of needing a gun is small, so draw times don't matter... 1) a gun is useless if you can't get to it 2) the same logic can be caried over to say you don't need to carry at all; "Do I carry? No! what are the chances I will ever need a gun?" and you use this logic to say "what are the chances you'll ever need a gun? Just ignore draw times" Also at 31 min. you say that many people have shot their legs when using IWB, but then dismiss fears of shooting people behind you using over the shoulder carry because "just use good trigger control, I don't see it being a problem"... If I can use good trigger control in OTS carry, then why mention poor trigger control in IWB?
I couldn't agree more when talking iwb at the 3-5 position. For my body type (6'1" 195) I have found appendix carry to be the solution. I have carried a G19 and spare mag every single day (other than one 2 day trip to Minnesota and occasionally carrying a shield appendix) for years. I drive a lot for work and am in crawlspaces and attics and I find it to be super comfortable. I have a quality Tuckable kydex holster and mag holder. Carrying appendix keeps it within my control at all times, printing is never an issue, it's quickly accessible even when tucked in, comes off and goes back on easily for bathroom stops, and I don't have to buy different size pants. I found with the 3-5 position all of these things gave me issues and it was more difficult to access from a seated position... especially with a seat belt on. I realize everyone is different but this has worked well for me for years now. Thanks for the great video.
I wear T-shirts 99% of the time so a shoulder rig just isn't an option. I only do IWB with a single stack weapon, thats why they're so popular these days. Single stack mags fit in the pocket just fine, mag pouches I use with OWB and double stack weapons. Even the thickness of the kydex holster makes a difference. Good topic of discussion.
This only works for your micro pistols. Iwb is the way to go for full size and even compact. And yes a lot of people do carry compact and full size. Most everybody I know that carries goes full size and iwb poly framed pistols. I carry a CZ 75 SP01 every day iwb with my under shirt tucked behind it and my work shirt tucked over it. I think you just run into a lot of pussies that dont want to deal with the minor discomfort of having a pistol you can still fight with so they opt for the smallest thing that will throw rounds and justify the loss of capacity, recoil management, and velocity/lethality of their rounds thinking well I'll never need it anyways.
As far as your bump check point, I've had several people bump into my gun, infact somebody smacked me on the hip right on the holster and the guy had no idea, I think you give people too much credit, most people dont notice jack shit. As for the bending, you crouch, simple. If you are taking a shit why are you taking your gun out of the holster? If your gun went off in your holster you have a shitty holster. To the off side mag carry, yeah for you righties it sucks, I'm a lefty I rock the pocket watch pocket of my jeans and then a neomag clip to have my 2nd mag. Neomag still allows you to pocket carry one mag in your pocket. Gun checks are the result of a bad holster or a bad belt of both, dont put bad equipment on a mode of carry.
+ANGELSTANK yeah, honestly this is just a 30 minute video of nutn saying how he finds iwb uncomfortable and he doesnt want to deal with it and is willing to deal with the cons of shoulder carry. Big plot hole here too, does he just wear it under his shirt? Cause it's not like you can wear a jacket year round to cover a shoulder holster. Not to mention most ranges wont allow you to use that type of holster.
Holy shit, a SP-01? That thing is huge, how do you conceal that? And thats your EDC? What do you carry when you expect trouble? The TS Czechmate parrot?
Hey nutnfancy, I live in Illinois and have conceal carried now for 3 1/2 years. I carry a Kimber ultra CDP II in .45 acp flavor in a N8 square tactical IWBC holster. Walking, driving or sitting around, I almost forget I have it on. You owe it to yourself and your subscribers to try one. It also conceals well against printing.
I just got a 686P 4" barrel. Changing the grips to wood. Having a custom IWB holster made and will carry it this winter. (probs on weekends only) I dont care about discomfort here or there. Otherwise, it will be my MP9 IWB for my primary.
+Slov the have a life time no questions warranty and they will change out the plastic for any gun you want for life as many as you want and theyre pretty soft once worn in equaling comfort... ive found zero cons with alien gear and many pros..
Thanks Nutn. Love the reviews and you were a tremendous help when obtained a CCW permit. I was totally paranoid about printing and it took years to realize how oblivious the public is. I have unintentionally let my shirt ride up and totally expose my weapon while shopping in big box stores, and nobody said a word about it. Now, I don't even think about it.
I think IWB is popular because it is what is taught in a lot of the tactical pistol carry classes. But I think they teach that way because it minimizes chance of accident in the class over shoulder holster or belly band since those methods result in people sweeping other participants with their muzzle. It also allows for faster draw and much faster re-holstering. in general, IWB is ideal during training courses, but not so much for most people's real world EDC.
Honestly the best thing to do is to try out a few ways and determine the best way for you. Ive found that appendix absolutely works best for me, but I can see the drawbacks for some people. I carry a Shield 9 in a kydex holster that I made. Ive never had an issue with bump checks, its easy to keep track of the gun and to continuously make sure its concealed because its right in front of you. Its very fast on the draw. The holster has good retention so its not coming out unless I want it to, and as far as the bathroom goes, it does make it a bit more challenging to get the pants off and back on, but as long as I'm conscious of the gun, its not an issue. With subcompacts like the Shield, its comfortable even in the car. AIWB takes more tweaking to make it work well over the long term and allow you to forget about it, but for me its the best method I've found to carry a gun every day.
One of my issues with iwbc is that I carry a bit further forward than most people. It's right above the front pockets of my pants, almost appendix carry. However, I keep my wallet in my front pocket due to back issues caused by sitting on it. That gives me some access issues with angling my wallet past this chunk of metal in addition to possible exposure when I'm getting it out. So I then have to think of carrying a smaller weapon which I don't shoot as well, or changing sides where I keep the wallet, which makes me have to put things in THAT pocket somewhere else, ect. Bringing me to the point of usually just end up carrying owb.
I carry my handgun IWB at about the 5 o'clock position. My extra mag holder is an OWB good quality leather one...works great. I did hit my gun against a State Trooper's gun manipulating myself into a busy IHop once. He turned around and looked at me...I just smiled and walked on in.
Did the shoulder rig 78 to mid 80s after 5 years in the Army. Ran a Colt Officers .45 in Washington State doing spec security. Great if you can wear a coat/jacket (even the right kind of vest) all the time, otherwise it doesn't work. Now many decades later I learned as a civlian either proper IWB/appendix/pocket carry (in the warmer states) is a quicker way to go. However I would never presume to tell someone "the" way to carry as it is a personal decision. Which I believe is your actual premiss of this vid, telling your opinion. Anyway this is just my own opinion coming from an ol dino 😉. stay safe keep warm have fun and whittle to keep your sanity (I must be sane due to all the wood chips out back). ol greybeard dino ; - ) >
I do carry IWB, but I cannot really argue with of your points, lol. The only method that I find that I can conceal, draw in a reasonable amount of time etc... is pocket carry... but then I am stuck with a pocket gun! Find what works for you, ask friends for advice.
Dude, you need to look at Alien Gear, highly customizable with ride depth, cant, shirt tuck, replaceable shells, retention. I love mine, carrying IWB with a Glock 26/27 gen 4, one of their gun belts, and 2 DSG Arms mag carriers on offside (not IWB), +1/+2 mags. I don't dump in public restrooms unless it's an absolute emergency, very rare. Shoulder holster leads to cross body draw and guns being pointed in an unsafe direction during the draw. Good video, good points. Thanks, and keep it up.
I have had a totally different experience with IWB. I will say that it can be uncomfortable at times. However, I havent had any clothing size issues and I havent really had to modify my style of dress very much at all. I am 6'2" and I can conceal a Cz75 in shorts and a v-neck tshirt. I dont ever leave the gun at home unless I am going somewhere I am not legally allowed to carry (on post, schools... etc). In the end a lot of it is personal preference. Keep doing you Nutn!
The footage of you trying to get the IWB mag pouch on, looks like an infomercial video clip with someone struggling to do something easy. That was cool.
I carry iwbc everyday with a g4 glock19 and a weapons light. Everything you said is true. From trying to take a carp to sanding down my love handles on the G4's grip. very good video it brings up real issues with the method.
I carry iwbc(appendix to prevent bump checks) daily, being in scrubs it's the most effective means to conceal while allowing fast presentation. I wear 5.11 pants with the mag pocket to carry my spare and the remaining edc. regardless of your holster you still will be putting thought and preparation into your set up.
All valid points. In my experience a lot of the comfort factor is predicated on the thickness of the shell of the holster (especially with some rigid like Kydex). I found my full-sized Px4 -- even as fat as it is -- conceals more easily and comfortably for me with its low-quality thin-shelled Beretta-branded hybrid IWB holster than my XD-S with my Alien Gear Cloak 3.0, which is arguably a much better made and more durable holster than the other one, but also adds enough thickness to more than make up for the difference in the widths of the guns themselves (1.2" vs 1.0") and the backing material is stiffer. BTW, I would not carry on a motorcyle or even a bicycle with IWB. That is asking for a bad injury to be made worse.
Your use of the term "brandishing" is inaccurate. Brandishing is the pointing/waving around of a weapon in anger, excitement, or to persuade. Brandishing is NOT "printing", your shirt slightly lifting up while reaching for something in a store, or someone accidentally bumping into you and feeling the firearm.
T-rex Arms Sidecar works really well for me for both Glock 43 and Glock 19. It's a kydex combo holster + spare mag, for appendix iwb. One unit, easy on and off, you can tuck it back into your pants when using the bathroom, rarely prints, comfortable weight distribution, very sturdy on the belt, and slim.
No. 9 REALLY stood out in terms of the downsides you mentioned. That might really make a difference in the long run and I might consider other options if I need to conceal carry...or just select another, more secure IWB option. There are some great datapoints in this one as always. Now if only I have time to watch more of your fantastic videos!
I carried IWB for 15 years or more. But the biggest downside is lack of comfort. This is exacerbated being 54 years old and 60 lbs overweight (though I'm correcting the latter). But no more. Now its nothing but pocket carry. From khakis to jeans to 5.11 Taclite Pro pants, its pretty easy to pocket a Glock 43, Kahr PM9, Keltec PF9, S&W Shield, 442 and on and on. A minimalist spare mag carrier rides on the belt. For me, this is the best convergence of firepower vs comfort. Every carry system is a tradeoff. Pocket carry limits you to the "pocket 9" genre. But the upsides are numerous. You keep your hand on the gun, while appearing completely passive. Drawing is reasonably quick, with none of the "throw the shirt out of the way" movement with IWB and OWB. And when Aunt Millie gives you a hug, she never accidentally touches the gun (unless she's been drinking). Pocket carry all the way, baby!
...Okay. I've been a TNPr since 2012 (from this profile it's the beginning of 2015, but I've been following TNP since 2012 on another account. And, I've watched the video in its entirety.) I... disagree with this video completely, and I'll offer counterpoints to every single of the 10 points made:
1. "It takes more time to dress." This literally isn't an issue. One, who cares if it takes you slightly longer to dress, and two, I keep my CCW on my belt when I drop my pants at the end of the day. When I put my pants on, my gun goes on. Again, this is a non-issue.
2. "It's uncomfortable." Two things. One, having a quality holster and quality gun belt (like the Boxer Tactical Zenith Belt I use, and the Ares Gear Aegis Belt others use) significantly helps with comfort. When I carried at 5 o'clock carrying a Glock 19 was mostly fine; the thickness of the slide bothered me a little, but not enough to make me not carry. I later switched to Appendix, and the thickness of the slide no longer bothers me. Two, suck it up. You're carrying a gun in a position that allows for the fastest draw possible, which you will need in a gunfight, as time is against you.
3. "You have to size your clothing." I guess it depends on body type, but for me personally, the same size pant size fits me whether I'm carrying a gun or not. I also have a belt with variable adjustment, so my pants always fit regardless whether I'm carrying a gun or not. Again, non-issue; let carrying become a lifestyle choice and it isn't a problem. Furthermore, I don't have a whole lot of money so I don't have to worry about rotating through different carry pistols; I just carry my Glock 19 and I'm good to go. (I don't think swapping through different types of pistols is a wise idea anyway, due to different design's battery of arms.)
4. "You have to worry about brandishing." Appendix Carry solves this issue, full stop. Furthermore, if someone's going to bump-check you, there's a good chance they're going to hit the shoulder holster too. A shoulder holster isn't a guarantee against bump checks.
5. "I wear a fanny pack." With the exception of the multitool (I had to ditch the Leatherman S2 Juice as I was upgrading the firepower and accessibility of my EDC, it just didn't ride in the pocket comfortably) I can pass a gear check without needing a fanny pack. Chances are, most of the stuff you would put in a fanny pack can be put in a backpack, as you don't urgently need those items on you day to day. For me, I carry a pen, knife, flashlight, wallet, cell phone, keys & pepper spray, and my Glock and a reload (where legal to do so) on my person; anything else isn't something I'm going to need to save my life or is otherwise immediately useful, so it goes in a backpack.
6. "Taking dumps is problematic." Take gun and mag carrier, remove from belt, put on toliet paper shelf, do business, put gun back on belt, problem solved. Time isn't an issue, who cares, you've got your gun in the most accessible place possible, so draw times will always be quick with practice.
7. "Bump checks." See #4.
8. "Offside mag carriers take up more space." This is a mindset issue, not a gear issue. If someone isn't willing to carry at least one spare mag (or speedloader/speed strip if rocking a revolver) then their mindset isn't squared away and they aren't ready to defend themselves. When I'm carrying my gun, I'm carrying a spare mag, it's not that difficult. Furthermore, a shoulder holster is not going to give them a speed advantage when reloading, especially under a buttoned-up shirt.
9. "Most guys do involuntary gun checks." Again, mindset issue, not gear issue. Such people, like you said, need to train themselves out of it and get over it. As for checking for printing, people don't pay attention so it's something you don't need to worry about. Also, I wear an all-kydex holster, so I don't worry about scratchy leather.
10. "You'll wear [as in wear and tear] your gun more often?" Here's the reality. If you ever get involved in a defensive shooting, and you hear the police sirens coming towards you, guess what you're doing? You're dropping that gun. And that gun will sit in a police evidence locker for months, maybe years, assuming you ever get it back at all. If your gun is used in a defensive shooting, you can say goodbye to the gun's pretty finish. So don't worry about; it's a life-saving device, not a piece of artwork you show off to your friends.
One last note: the probability of needing to use a gun is low for civilians in the USA, but guess what? If we're going by probability, we can justify not carrying a gun at all. We don't make decisions about carrying a gun based on probability, we justify it based on the severity of consequences if we don't carry. Gunfights last seconds, not minutes, and you need to get your gun out fast in that scenario. Shoulder holsters from concealment simply aren't fast enough as IWB; if you don't believe me, take a Force-on-Force class that uses airsoft guns or paint-marking cartridges. You'll see very quickly why IWB is the way to go, and change your EDC around that.
OWB most comfortable for me, open carry in a polite society would be ideal.
I open carry everyday in my area
Good discussion. There are problems with every system, and no "one size fits all" solution, but the key is to adopt a carry method you can use consistently, and keep rockin' it.
You should never try to reholster your pistol quickly.
That's true. You could accidentally shoot your little winky off.
Reholster reluctantly. Fosho
I've burnt myself with a hot barrel after an afternoon of training. Learned that lesson!
A couple of decades ago when I was (more of a dinky) I holstered a 44 magnum with my finger still in the trigger guard. If that gun didn't have a very heavy trigger pull I'd probably have a prosthetic foot right now (at best).
Always reluctantly reholster. You already have it out, you're already doing business, the cops won't be there for at least 5mikes. There is no hurry, be sure the threat is gone.
South Florida here. T-shirt and flipflops are my daily attire.
IWB is necessary so I'm not Printing everywhere I go.
It definitely has Pros and Cons.
I guess what im saying is in a tropical climate IWB is a must.
because in miami most people where white pants, white tshirt and a unbuttoned colorful shirt over it all so its perfect for shoulder carry...or at least they used too in the 80s. Usually white shoes too
In case anyone's confused about this video- it's an opinion piece. It's not a comprehensive study, an analytical breakdown of every element of carry systems to decide, it's a preference video. Coming up on 9 years in TNP and a constant question has been "why shoulder carry? Why not ankle/IWB/Appdx" and this is your answer. Personal preference doesn't have to be 100% backed up by logic, otherwise it wouldn't be much of an opinion- it would be fact. Every system gives up a few points while emphasizing others, just like every other tool, toy, vehicle, gadget, machine, etc. I'm watching comments here to address when we do a roundtable of it. I'm IWB most of the time, and the points below could end up in that video too. So, y'know, don't be a dick. :D Doodle
So funny this video came out today. I was just thinking about how I would like to switch from IWB to a shoulder rig.
i think your opinion is spot on nutn. it seems like nobody in the gun community wants to talk about it but IWBC is uncomfortable for lots of folks (like me) and impractical for for others (also like me). your company picnic analogy was spot on. my company's official policy is no weapons whatsoever. and I spend a lot of time in a vehicle. shoulder holster carry would make much more sense for me than IWBC.
yo nutn, check out magguts for the g43, they make the 6 round mag a 7 round without a size increase
Urban carry holsters work pretty well. Draw speed is slow, sadly. I swap between that and a j-frame in the pocket. Nothing beats a j-frame for comfort.
Great content as usual nutn! Would love to see you test and review and kydex appendix carry rig with a attached magazine carrier. Otherwise known as a sidecar, lots of companies producing them now, highly recommend T.REX Arms.
Link: trex-arms.com/
I am on a good schedule. All dumps taken at home :D
^^^^This guy is keep in' it real fellas..
I dump at home always as well
^ Winner
why spend your time when you can do it on company time.
+Keith Hollis they make a dollar, I make a dime, that's why I $&@% on company time...
NUTN BUYS HIS JEANS AT COSTCO, PASS IT ON
Stop trying to make the fanny pack happen. It is not going to happen.
I know, right.....
Not entirely true...it is a good system when your out in gym shorts going to or from the gym and car. Like everything right time and place and it makes sense.
Joe Rogan talks them up, and gives them to guests on his show. I'm not wearing one, but they aren't as geeky as they were 10 years ago.
/watch?v=Ius_TbBsYkM Matthew McConaughey wears a fanny pack . . .
With a 10 month old holding on me and digging through my pockets I have been tempted to try it I'm happily taken I'm not trying to impress.
I have watched a ton of IWC carry videos and you are the only one who addresses bigger pant waist size for this carry style. I know it should be assumed but thanks for at least talking about it. I wish some other well-known channel hosts would address this more often. Keep up the great posts, you have a great channel.
Shoulder holster is also a great option for those that are wheel chair bound or have mobility issues.
good points made, I can say from my own experience IWB carry has certainly made my carry guns filthy with lint and dust so I have to clean them way more frequently...
"A well-regulated bowel being necessary for the security of your underwear, the right of the people to drop trou and take a dump in the Cabela's toilet shall not be infringed."
So you're the guy who's always taking a dump in the public restroom? Lol
Ha! yea, im always wondering while im pissing who that guy is as well. Maybe once a year I'll have an emergency out and about but home court advantage all day long.
I work at cabelas, if I have to answer the call of nature, I use the employee restroom. The restroom the customers use is a no go zone.
+Psychological Nudist My local Cabela's actually has a nice and well-maintained bathroom. But more times than not, whenever I'm shopping there and need to take a leak, there's always some dude "taking the Browns to the Super Bowl" in the stall next to me. Maybe it's a way of marking territory?
+Dex Morgan I guess. it almost seems like everyone who uses our bathrooms goes to Taco Bell prior to shopping. Even after we open at 9, the bathrooms are a "shitty" place.
hahaha
I live in California and we, for the most part, can't CCW. I am here watching the video because I just like your opinions and the fun way you deliver them.
challenge the laws
...and move.
There is a difference between being allowed and being able.
I'm in Orange County. Carry daily. Make the effort.
my friend owns a company loading atms and he carries an average of 20-40k on him at a time, where we live we can't even get a ccw right now, but he carries anyways, one of many reasons why we are leaving cali.
A long time coming, check out an assortment of holsters, carry pistols, fanny packs, and kirkland 'mom jeans' while we look at all the downsides of IWB carry. It's popular for a lot of good reasons, but NF definitely prefers his miami vice style. Why? Check it out above. -Doodle
What's your thoughts on the Rohrbaugh R9, or maybe a Seecamp?
Hahaha loved the "mom jeans"
Could you please follow up with "The 10 best ways to carry Miami Vice?" Or some type of follow up video showcasing the systems and clothes you use for it along with the types of guns and companies you like.
I agree with all you said, but you should try a Stealth Gear Onyx IWB holster. It's $100, but if you ever have to IWB carry, it'll change your life.
I drive a GTI with bolstered seats, and even then it disappears.
speaking of obvious signs to a trained eye, fanny packs were out of style a long time ago. 9/10 times it is concealing a weapon and anyone around you who knows what's up will know. For me, it doesn't fit my POU of low profile as possible
I used to be a manager at a movie theater and over the period of 4 and a half years there I found 3 firearms that off duty officers left. Gun checks are important but only do it when it's necessary. Whenever I stand up I'll brush my arm up against it to make sure it's there. Don't make its obvious though, IWBC has it uses for majority of people and daily life. That's why it's so popular. This is my opinion though, great video still whenever I'm in my monkey suit I use a shoulder holster.
You didn't address OWB. I have a custom pancake style to hold my G42 with an offside mag holder same style. I am carrying with a fast presentation and wearing normal pants. It's much more comfortable
I just hate having anything extra around my waist. I'm fat enough as it is. And my shoulder holster doesn't tug down my pants.
I like pocket carry. Kahr CM9 in a sticky holster works for me. I refuse to build my wardrobe around concealed carry. I am way too lazy and last minute for anything else. IWB is hard on your clothes the clips eventually wear holes in your clothing.
Appendix carry with a combo holster+magazine holster is the easiest and most comfortable method I have found. It's comfortable in the car, while walking around, while exercising, and it's very fast to put on and fast to draw.
especially with a holster made for appendix carry.
He still has his appy carry he sewed back in '93. It's comfy for most purposes, gives a good spot to pack everything for the most part, etc. I could've sworn it was already reviewed though. I wouldn't mind trying a more modern version of it. -Doodle
Can't do apendix. I tried so hard. No way without it stabbing me. Two thumbs up if it works for you though. Awesome sauce.
+nutnfancy I guess I will get back to you guys on this thread when I lose my gut and appendix carry is an option. Till then it's the galco shoulder rig
It's extremely uncomfortable for me, though. I'm also on the thinner side so it prints too much for me as well
I left California and moved to Texas, the gun laws were a big part of that decision. But dude we need to talk about the jeans selection sometime. Kirkland? I left all those in California, Lol!
Love your videos and agree with you most of the time but I can't figure out why you're struggling with IWB carry. I have a Walther PPS in a Galco Stow and Go and can throw it on in 3 seconds. Secondly, hard to beat those Costco Jeans for $12.99 best deal around and don't let the mom jeans comments bother you because $12.99 is what we pay when our mom's are no longer buying them for us.
Carrying since 1983, have two boxes full of various types of holsters/carry systems that I have tried, experimented with, etc.... always come back to IWB. The past 5 years or so, S & W / M & P 9C in an Alien Gear IWB at 3:30 on the right, spare mag on the left at 3:30 in a knife case with a flap, OWB (no one has ever called it out). 99% of the time I am wearing jeans and a t-shirt, tucked in. Also, clipped on my belt in full view... a red line flashlight, a small belt pack with a Leatherman muti-tool, paracord, gauze, tape, band aides, nylon strap, latex gloves, nail clippers, etc., I have a red First Aid cross attached to the outside of the belt pack. Clipped on my front left pocket is a knife, another smaller one inside the pocket. All of my on-board gear is accessible with both hands. Have never been called out.... not once. Shirt tucked in and bloused over conceals the gun well. I am smaller built so it is harder to "hide" gear/guns... at 5' 6" and 140. I am a pastor.... I live in Central PA.... I carry every day, all day.... FOR ME.... IWB works the best in my situations and environment. To each his own.... do what works for YOU.
"Lean over to pick up a french fry" hilarious....
Glock 19, Gen 3 with an Alien Gear IWB holster and DeSantis pocket mag pouch is my typical carry. Alien Gear is by far the most comfortable holster I have ever worn. The neoprene backing addresses the sweat problem. When not carrying the G19, its a Shield in a Galco king tuck holster. Also very comfortable. As far as taking a dump, I have gotten into the habit when carrying and nature calls to simply grab the holster while dropping trow and control its descent to about knee level. No smacking into the porcelain throne or knocking on the floor. Plus I like having the G19 handy while on the throne, just in case the poo gets ornery.
Ha ha ha, love the mag carrier "Infomercial Fail" shot at 23:06...
I understand a lot of your points, but I think for the most part if you're going to carry a full size handgun, IWB is about your only recourse. My most common carrys this year have been either a P226 or an M&P45, and I carry them IWB in Alien Gear holsters with just a t shirt and an unbuttoned shirt over it. I definitely agree on the bathroom issues, but I typically take it out of its holster and put it on the tank of the toilet or on top of the TP dispenser so I don't have to worry about it falling out (I know some may argue that you might then forget it, but I'm always super concious about where it is when I've unholstered it, so it hasn't been a problem for me, but I know it might be a problem for some.) I've always liked the idea of a shoulder holster, but as Doodle has mentioned, and particularly with a full sized handgun in a horizontal shoulder holster, they just print too much. Id be much more interested in a vertical shoulder option, but they're a lot less common. However if I can I'm a big proponent of pocket carry, that way I don't have to worry so much about "being situated" with an IWB holster. Particularly in the summer Ill just throw a J frame in my pocket, but I've also pocket carried the G43, G26, XDs, and PPS without issue.
Nice zip tie usage on the target.
Zip ties are the new duct tape.
I noticed that too.
I both agree with your opinions on this and disagree. I generally have at least 3 separate holsters for the 4 guns I keep in rotation. Usually there is multiple carry positions for the needs of the day. IWB, OWB, Shoulder Carry, Ankle Carry, Pocket Carry..... depending on the gun I have holsters for it and have used it situationally.
All that being said my normal carry method and gun is a S&W M&P C in an OWB Desantis Speed Scabbard on a Galco Cop Belt with a spare mag in a pocket holster. It works for me based on body type, where I live, and how I dress.
At the end of the day what works for you might not work for me and vice-versa. You have given me things to think about with this video though so ThankYou for that!
As far as taking dumps PUT THE GUN IN YOUR DROPPED PANTS...PROBLEM SOLVED it ain't rocket science lol
Freakin thank you. Sheesh.
Or keep your trousers up around your knees, instead of around your ankles..
Michael Downing I can't tell you how many people make such a big deal about it haha
I put mine on the back of the toilet or on top of the toilet paper holder. No chance of it getting spotted or diving into the next stall.
but the point still stands that its a pain and makes you deal with your gun when he doesnt have to. i prefer IWB and i put the gun in my pants too, BUT his point is still valid.
I carry almost exclusively in OWB Kydex holsters and mag pouches. I either open carry at home and in the woods, or I carry concealed under a vest in civilization. I also "openly carry concealed" in a Sneaky Pete-type holster that I made for when it's too hot for anything but a t-shirt. I'm working on making a shoulder holster for a Ruger Redhawk, and I'm considering making or buying some other vertical shoulder holsters just so I can carry various pistols without wearing a belt, like for if I'm kayaking or wearing wind pants. I have made a dozen or so IWB holsters for customers, but I'll never carry IWB myself for several of the reasons you mentioned; primarily discomfort and poor fitment in my regular pants - considering that I always wear my belt tight just to hold up the equipment on my belt and in my pockets.
Reason #1 I'm too fat.
I struggle with the concept of how Open Carry, which is legal without a permit in Utah, isn't brandishing, but as soon as your printing or your shirt exposes the gun by lifting up, how that is brandishing? I am not really asking, it just confirms a little about what you're saying here Nutn. I've resorted to appendix carry in the summer because I hate the idea of dressing around a gun. I feel like I should be able to conceal without having to buy a bunch of larger clothing just to carry everyday. Appendix allows me to do that and conceal better, and print less.
Ha, thats us at 5:35! Footage from last years TNP garage sale, that was a fun trip!
I carried (concealed) all over Europe while stationed there (before I retired) as part of my job. Always wore a shoulder rig - and believe me, they weren't as "good" then as they are now. As a matter of fact, they actually SUCKED. However, they served their purpose and it worked well. Today, 20 years after retiring from the Army - I STILL use a shoulder rig whenever possible. I have tried, repeatedly, to like IWB but just can't get accustomed to it. just feels "weird" to me. My latest "trial" was the Alien Gear Cloak Mod 3.0 and, while it is comfortable - it, too, just doesn't feel right. Guess this old man is just stuck in the 60s and 70s! :) Great Vid, though!
"blowin your mud" haha wow dude, I love it
I've been watching since the beginning nutnfancy. You've influenced me positively. Great work as usual.
I carry a Glock 19 with a spare magazine nearly every day. I wear pants with a one inch larger waste and I wear a kydex reinforced leather belt. I wear my normal size t-shirts. Appendix carry makes it very easy, as long as you don't have a big gut.
An LCP in the pocket is the only carry system that's ever been comfortable to me.
OK. Nice video. I don't agree. But to each his own. I have carried a gun in almost every different holster there is. If I have a choice I carry IWB/AIWB. Dress around the gun. Don't put on rubber grips. Don't carry your mags IWB. Wear a real gun belt (hint: not made by 5.11).. Stay away from hybrid holsters (plastic with leather backing).. If you have to poop in a stall put your gear in your pants, and reverse the process when done. Oh and close the WC lid before putting on your gear...
So pumped to see this video from you nutn!! Just wanted to say that we all appreciate your hard work with this channel, and it doesn't go unnoticed! Keep up the good work! TNP'r for life!!
is kirkland costco brand?
I'm glad I'm not the only one who prefers other methods of carry, most of the time. I find IWBC uncomfortable for most of the things I do. Seems to admit that casts you into that "uncool" void in the gun community, so I usually don't bother mentioning it in comments.
But I'll take being uncool, so that I'm still prepared. I think that comes through in most of your videos, and I thank you for being a dissenting voice when everyone else is going the other direction. You do what works for you, based on experience and you don't care what the consensus is. I admire that.
Iwbc is way easy if you have a clip on. Takes me 2 seconds tops
Hey Nutnfancy , I just found your videos lately while doing to some research on an alternative to Ar's, and they convinced me to go out and buy a mini-14 ranch here in California. I grew up shooting a M1 Garand and the M16a2 I used in the Navy never felt natural to me but the Mini-14 feels and shoots great, thanks for the work you do.
I think your definition of brandishing is a bit off man.
Business professional here. I'm married to N82 Tactical IWB tuckable. 4 o clock, It disappears from your mind and body with tucked shirts. I've tried shoulder, ankle, other brand IWB, and belly band. N82 is single belt clip, pad to eliminate metal to skin contact, and adjustable clip angle. Excellent retention, but easy to draw. I carry Sig P938 and keep an extra mag in my left front pocket. Carried daily with this rig for 2 years now.
Im going to point out just the last one since it was right at the end. I find it strange that you follow your example of IWB having the negative of possible ND's into the thigh with "who cares, I have trigger control" talking about shoulder holsters. Your example depends solely on the factor of the person with a shoulder holster having 100% flawless trigger discipline and the person carrying IWB being negligent. So with as much respect as I have towards you, you went into the video with a pretty strong bias that was blatantly evident right then, as well as more than a few other times. If you re-watch the video yourself you'll be able to make a whole separate video titled "10 times Nutnfancy directly contradicted himself about IWB because of personal bias".
Exactly, I was about to say the same.
And if you are going to muzzle yourself, do you want to do it on the outer thigh/hip, or your heart and lungs? And if you're going to have an ND, do you want it going straight down, or perpendicular to the ground at about 4 feet height. I think IWB is uncomfortable, but for safety reasons, I think IWB is possibly the more responsible way to go.
And just a heads up, Nutn isn't much more than any of us, just a dude with his preferences (who happens to like talking into a video camera). That's it.
Youtry to make a case brother but I think you're a little bit off. Tell me what are the statistics for people who have shot themselves using a shoulder holster? Pretty slim. Whenreholstering a shoulder holster you do not muzzle yourself unless you're an idiot. However for waistband there are many people who have shot themselves. I don't think that's personal bias that's just statistics and what I've seen.. I stand by the video. -nutnfancy.
nutnfancy
What are the stats of people that IWB vs shoulder? My impression is that shoulder is statistically insignificant so few people do it. Maybe I'm wrong about that, that is just my personal experience. Who in the world is collecting stats on carry methods?
I've looked at shoulder holsters as a carry system and opted not to adopt it. It would be too hard for me to carry something under moderately light clothing. Whatever works for you though nutnfancy- that's the goal at the end of the day. I employ (levels 1-3) pocket, IWB, OWB.
1) I go 1-2" bigger than normal for pants and I use a Galco quick detach IWB for my level 2 (of 3) system. I don't find it to be a problem.
2) Ok. I don't mind my IWB- but to be fair when I carried a Bersa Thunder .380 the decocker rubbed me the wrong way. IWB can rub you the wrong way sometimes when folks drive.
3) Yup. You do have to select a different wardrobe with IWB carry. I go slightly larger with a proper gun belt (Crossbreed) in my pants size because of the gun. It's not a problem for me. I adjust my belt accordingly. Yup. I must consider that fact with carry level 3 in my system (OWB M&P 9mm). I am fine adapting to it. You're boned 'tucking your pants in' and lose time. That's a great point.
4) I've never been caught printing because I am not a dumb dumb.
'Brandishing' isn't a factor in Pennsylvania. But that is my unique set
of circumstances. To make sure that OWB gun of mine doesn't play
peek-a-boo I kneel and squat differently. That's the closest I'll ever
get to printing or 'brandishing'. @15:31 fair point.
5) Ok.
6) Lol. I either don't mind people seeing it or I move my underwear over the gun. If I don't want to be caught with my level 2 system I compromise with level 1 (pocket carry). @19:20 pure negligence. @20:00 meh. @20:50 meh.
7) Bump checks are an issue. But I haven't been bumped checked the 3:30 to 4:00 area. @22:49 NO. I like my nads ._.
8) Fair point. I compromise carrying mags in my pocket, and I KNOW it slows me down. Level 3 (maybe Level 2) I am considering an off-side carrier.
9) Bad habit. I agree. @26:35 meh. Never had that issue.
10) Yup.
The best way to carry, in your fanny pack.
No definitely no
Or try the Maxpedition Testudo Backpack Laptop computer bag that fits a 17" or smaller laptop. The large inside pockets fit the AR500 Level IIIA Backpack Soft Armor and/or hard Dyneema backpack armor from www.man-pack.com and provide more padding for the laptop. Also room for a 33 round magazine, full size Glock 17, ... tjl
You mean... Tactical assault pouch
Lmfao!!! Hahahahaha!!! That damn fanny pack!!! Cracks me up ever time it comes up.
I tried carrying other ways and this was the way that was a comprimise of comfort, effectivness, and it enables me to carry a full size gun if I want to... and, I train this way now.
It's funny, shoulder holsters and fanny packs being the most logistically convenient modes of CC seem to have so much negative 'cultural cringe' baggage attached to them..
I avoid the unconscious gun checks but I constantly pull on the back of my shirt almost everytime I stand up to make sure nothing came uncovered and my shirt didnt get trapped inbetween myself and the firearm
I disagree. I find it more comfortable and much easier to conceal.
right on nutn glad you did this video, i started out carring iwbc, it didnt take me very long to start looking for better, more comfortable ways to carry, my guns changed, my carry method changed, and my clothing even changed, for me now most of the time Im carring simple pocket carry, just because its fast easy and i can incoperate it into almost any type of clothing. i carry smith and wesson mp 380 it goes where i go always.
Fanny packs are swiped too easily....cut, grab, run...now you are unarmed, and the bad guy has your gear. No bueno.
He keeps his under a shirt usually.
ya.. pretty hard cause its a concealed fanny haha... no one could do that easily
+Maximus Joseppi Not everyone can do that though, if you live in Florida like me, you'd know that it's suicidal if you wear a cover-shirt lmao
well i certainly dont condone the use of a fanny pack.. just saying how nutn does it.
Totally agree. Plus, can a fanny pack truly be considered "concealed?"
after hearing Nutn talk about the Galco Lite for YEARS and YEARS now, I finally ordered one yesterday after watching the video. I'm ready to see what all the hype is about!
that's not brandishing, that's printing or simply failure to conceal...
Sorry, my wife still likes me to wear fitted clothing and look good. No way is a fanny pack under a shirt or a shoulder holster under anything except a suit/sport coat going to look good (and then you can't take the damn coat off). How the heck do you one hand access a shoulder holster (ECQC) under a closed or buttoned shirt anyway (especially with off-hand)?
I have 3 criteria for carry position:
1) Always concealed even if I take my outer layer off.
2) Accessible one-handed with either dominant and non-dominant hand.
3) Accessible in a wide variety of common positions (standing, seated, reclined/lying down).
The only time I ever have to change from AIWB is if shirts need to be tucked (business/formal), then ankle carry is my backup. Interestingly, I have never had to size my pants differently, probably because my thighs and not my waist are the major sizing factor in pants. I have short, thick legs, so a 30x30 pants may fit my waist but not my thighs. So I end up having to get 32" pants anyway. Pull the dot loops on my holster work great for me - easy on and off.
I dream about being gear checked, but live nowhere near nutn;
- Pistol + spare mag (@ 2 & 10)
- Small fixed blade (@ 11)
- Med kit in pouch on belt (Dark Angel Pocket Dark + Chest Seal, @ 4-5)
- Flashlight + multitool on PocketShield in front pocket (no clips showing)
- Keys with pepper-spray
Always have these on me in addition to phone (belt holster @ 8) and wallet (other pants pocket). Works with regular jeans/dress slacks/shorts.
I agree about IWB. However OWB with Raven holster eliminates many of the IWB hassles. A cover garment is necessary with any carry but pocket. So why not OWB?
Having carried concealed for close to 40 yrs I've tried several carry methods-IWB, Appendix, OWB, Shoulder, Low/middle back, fanny pack, etc. Over the last 8+ yrs I've used a 'U.S. Peacekeepers-Rapid Deployment Pack' in black as my main carry method. To me it solves many issues, i.e., EDC MUST-HAVES, light, pepper spray, small med pack, wallet, second knife, spare mags, etc., while minimizing the drawbacks. Yes I know it's slow on the draw-that's where hyper vigilance and situational awareness is my "trump" card (too early?!?!?) I NEVER leave home without my RDP, or what my kids call-Dad's "ManBag". And NO, I've never drawn undue suspicion or attention from LE with this method of carry-NOT to say you won't.
Nutn, you need to try Stealth Gear USA IWB holsters. They are super comfortable!!!
I work at a bank, I wear a polo and slacks or shirt/tie and slacks. SG USA and my shield works great. I'm small and I don't print. I'm up and down all day and often forget I'm carrying.
i mean, they dont change anything that hes talking about except help you not sweat as much as leather will. i dont like them cause they dont make custom molds.. they are very cookie cutter and inflexible.
+Maximus Joseppi to each their own but for what I do, they are without a doubt the best option out there.
I'll agree with Stealthgear....been through most every major brand, and SG is by far the most comfortable out there. Desantis, Alien Gear, Foxx, etc.....they're ok, but you're still wearing a slab of leather. The SG allows me to carry much more gun than I was with lesser holsters.
ya, they are ok if you like their colors and have a system they already make the holster for. But for people who want light bearing systems for their guns and want their color choices, there are much better custom shops.
I use a knife pouch on the belt for a spare mag pouch. It is a good way to hide it in the open. Depends on you mag.
I disagree! the fender telecaster is by far a better guitar than the les Paul custom!
Ima let you finish, but the les Paul is the greatest guitar design of all time!
"Here's a picture of me eating potato chips". Highly relevant. Very comprehensive topic Nutn.
Well I disagree, but you do what you want, if we all had the same opinions the world would be pretty dull. That being said I own a galco classic light, I bought it because of your recommendation, I hate that holster, if I wear an undershirt and a button up like you it's fine, but in a t shirt it's a no go. As far as belts and pants go, I buy a gun belt, I like the scuba webbing belts by ares gear and soe gear they're firmer, but don't poke you like some gun belts. The soe gear low profile is the most comfortable I've found. And pants I wear all my pants a full size bigger and have a belt with lots of adjustment so I can go from inside the waistband to outside and not need different pants and belts. As far as extra mags go I've been playing with making my own otw horizontal pouch so it follows the belt line, but usually I stick a mag in my left pocket, you might say that's slow to get to, but your mag on the shoulder holster is not fast to get to either plus I carry full size guns
So I have 17 or 18 rds in the gun I doubt I'll need more. And IMO printing doesn't matter, I carry a sig p226 or a g17 everyday and no one knows or cares, most people don't pay attention and if they did find out, then fuck them I'm obeying the law most of the time. Just my 2 cents.
I use a sticky holster with my 9mm xds
I actually liked your comment. But do you really carry a P226every day, I bet you don't. I know from personal experience guys who say they carry a full-size pistol quit doing it after a while. If you do brother I am hats off to you, big salute. -nutn
+nutnfancy I alternate between a g17 and a p226, and I'd say I carry 95% of the time, if I'm lazy I skip a day here or there but that's usually when I'm just hanging around the house, I've been carrying since 2011 when I turned 21, I started carrying a sig p229 and stopped quickly because I didn't get the whole belt/holster thing, after that I went and bought a keltec pf9 which I bought also because of you, that gun was very easy to carry, but mine kept dropping the mag so I ditched it, then I tried tons of guns and in the process found good holsters and belts and settled on a g26, then I bought a g19 and started carrying that, my favorite pistol has always been a sig p226, so when the g19 lead to a g17 I was like why don't I carry a 226? And not being able to answer that lead to me carrying a 226, the weight doesn't bother me, probably because I only carry a gun with extra magazine, a knife, a Swiss Army knife, a flash light, a wallet and a cell phone. I've been doing that for
+nutnfancy 3 years now and it works for me. Btw I'm a huge fan, I've been watching you since you reviewed the falkniven A2 in 09 or so. I'm all sorts of owls, I even follow your Instagram even though you haven't posted on it lol. You should put some stuff on Instagram, I think it would be up your alley. Anyway thanks for the reply, you should do more videos on how to carry, every gun guy I know has a multi year process of learning the same stuff, I bet the video would help a lot of dudes.
Fact Check: True. I IWB & have run into all the issues Nutn raised, but as he says it's a system & is quite workable when I approach it that way - pistol, holster, pants, belt, shirts & spare mag. Great vid Nutn pls keep them coming.
I use the Incog holster and I love it.
I carried g19 or 17 with the incog, after much research I came across the JW custom Kydex. gave it a shot and my incog collects dust. appendix carried holly crap what a difference! it's unbelievable the the Comfort upgrade that it made! I'll never look back. I ordered another I was so impressed. if anyone carries appendix the JW custom Kydex is a must! you'll never want for another holster
Very enlightening for someone like me who is about to go into CCW. Thank you for things to think about.
So what do you do with the fanny pack while you poop in public?
IWB holsters are nice to clip inside of your vehicle like the dash underneath the steering wheel. If it were winter time and I had a jacket on most of the time, a shoulder holster would be a good choice. Shoulder holsters are very comfortable. When I was deployed, we all used shoulder holsters during our downtime.
meh... I can't get behind the "rule of law" framework you lay out. Basically you say that in ROL the likelihood of needing a gun is small, so draw times don't matter... 1) a gun is useless if you can't get to it 2) the same logic can be caried over to say you don't need to carry at all; "Do I carry? No! what are the chances I will ever need a gun?" and you use this logic to say "what are the chances you'll ever need a gun? Just ignore draw times"
Also at 31 min. you say that many people have shot their legs when using IWB, but then dismiss fears of shooting people behind you using over the shoulder carry because "just use good trigger control, I don't see it being a problem"... If I can use good trigger control in OTS carry, then why mention poor trigger control in IWB?
I couldn't agree more when talking iwb at the 3-5 position. For my body type (6'1" 195) I have found appendix carry to be the solution. I have carried a G19 and spare mag every single day (other than one 2 day trip to Minnesota and occasionally carrying a shield appendix) for years. I drive a lot for work and am in crawlspaces and attics and I find it to be super comfortable. I have a quality Tuckable kydex holster and mag holder. Carrying appendix keeps it within my control at all times, printing is never an issue, it's quickly accessible even when tucked in, comes off and goes back on easily for bathroom stops, and I don't have to buy different size pants. I found with the 3-5 position all of these things gave me issues and it was more difficult to access from a seated position... especially with a seat belt on. I realize everyone is different but this has worked well for me for years now. Thanks for the great video.
carrying two extra mags is overkill especially if you at least got a 10 round carry
Indeed. Silly to say the least.
What if there are more than 2 attackers? You're going to wish you had more magazines.
Michael Davis Super rare, but do what you want. I'll stick to my wheel gun. Been carrying it for 20 years and never even needed it.
Neo Smith, maybe it is rare, but I'd rather be prepared than operate on the assumption that it might never happen.
Might as well make your AR15 your daily carry on that philosophy. Add a bazooka while your at.
I wear T-shirts 99% of the time so a shoulder rig just isn't an option. I only do IWB with a single stack weapon, thats why they're so popular these days. Single stack mags fit in the pocket just fine, mag pouches I use with OWB and double stack weapons. Even the thickness of the kydex holster makes a difference. Good topic of discussion.
This only works for your micro pistols. Iwb is the way to go for full size and even compact. And yes a lot of people do carry compact and full size. Most everybody I know that carries goes full size and iwb poly framed pistols. I carry a CZ 75 SP01 every day iwb with my under shirt tucked behind it and my work shirt tucked over it. I think you just run into a lot of pussies that dont want to deal with the minor discomfort of having a pistol you can still fight with so they opt for the smallest thing that will throw rounds and justify the loss of capacity, recoil management, and velocity/lethality of their rounds thinking well I'll never need it anyways.
As far as your bump check point, I've had several people bump into my gun, infact somebody smacked me on the hip right on the holster and the guy had no idea, I think you give people too much credit, most people dont notice jack shit. As for the bending, you crouch, simple. If you are taking a shit why are you taking your gun out of the holster? If your gun went off in your holster you have a shitty holster. To the off side mag carry, yeah for you righties it sucks, I'm a lefty I rock the pocket watch pocket of my jeans and then a neomag clip to have my 2nd mag. Neomag still allows you to pocket carry one mag in your pocket. Gun checks are the result of a bad holster or a bad belt of both, dont put bad equipment on a mode of carry.
+ANGELSTANK yeah, honestly this is just a 30 minute video of nutn saying how he finds iwb uncomfortable and he doesnt want to deal with it and is willing to deal with the cons of shoulder carry. Big plot hole here too, does he just wear it under his shirt? Cause it's not like you can wear a jacket year round to cover a shoulder holster. Not to mention most ranges wont allow you to use that type of holster.
Holy shit, a SP-01? That thing is huge, how do you conceal that? And thats your EDC? What do you carry when you expect trouble? The TS Czechmate parrot?
+ANGELSTANK I would strongly advise you get yourself a different holster. Soft nylon does not protect the trigger guard well enough.
+smolkafilip LOL I'm a chubby guy, so it really isnt a big deal, normal tee shirt and it disappears.
Hey nutnfancy, I live in Illinois and have conceal carried now for 3 1/2 years. I carry a Kimber ultra CDP II in .45 acp flavor in a N8 square tactical IWBC holster. Walking, driving or sitting around, I almost forget I have it on. You owe it to yourself and your subscribers to try one. It also conceals well against printing.
5:36 Frankie from Birdshot????
I just got a 686P 4" barrel. Changing the grips to wood. Having a custom IWB holster made and will carry it this winter. (probs on weekends only) I dont care about discomfort here or there. Otherwise, it will be my MP9 IWB for my primary.
you should check out the alien gear iwb and owb holsters.. i personality think theyre great.
You should check out greenforcetactical.com. You will think they are amazing. I promise.
I love alien gear holsters
If you have more money... Don't with alien gear
+Slov the have a life time no questions warranty and they will change out the plastic for any gun you want for life as many as you want and theyre pretty soft once worn in equaling comfort... ive found zero cons with alien gear and many pros..
+BayStateSurvival I have alien gear holsters for 2 pistols. Work well enough and I would buy again.
Thanks Nutn. Love the reviews and you were a tremendous help when obtained a CCW permit. I was totally paranoid about printing and it took years to realize how oblivious the public is. I have unintentionally let my shirt ride up and totally expose my weapon while shopping in big box stores, and nobody said a word about it. Now, I don't even think about it.
IWB the way to go Open carry is a heated issue in most states. who needs the extra attention.
Nutn, your discussion about using public restrooms while IWBC gives a new meaning to the term "mag dump".
I think IWB is popular because it is what is taught in a lot of the tactical pistol carry classes. But I think they teach that way because it minimizes chance of accident in the class over shoulder holster or belly band since those methods result in people sweeping other participants with their muzzle. It also allows for faster draw and much faster re-holstering. in general, IWB is ideal during training courses, but not so much for most people's real world EDC.
Honestly the best thing to do is to try out a few ways and determine the best way for you. Ive found that appendix absolutely works best for me, but I can see the drawbacks for some people. I carry a Shield 9 in a kydex holster that I made. Ive never had an issue with bump checks, its easy to keep track of the gun and to continuously make sure its concealed because its right in front of you. Its very fast on the draw. The holster has good retention so its not coming out unless I want it to, and as far as the bathroom goes, it does make it a bit more challenging to get the pants off and back on, but as long as I'm conscious of the gun, its not an issue. With subcompacts like the Shield, its comfortable even in the car.
AIWB takes more tweaking to make it work well over the long term and allow you to forget about it, but for me its the best method I've found to carry a gun every day.
One of my issues with iwbc is that I carry a bit further forward than most people. It's right above the front pockets of my pants, almost appendix carry. However, I keep my wallet in my front pocket due to back issues caused by sitting on it. That gives me some access issues with angling my wallet past this chunk of metal in addition to possible exposure when I'm getting it out. So I then have to think of carrying a smaller weapon which I don't shoot as well, or changing sides where I keep the wallet, which makes me have to put things in THAT pocket somewhere else, ect.
Bringing me to the point of usually just end up carrying owb.
I carry my handgun IWB at about the 5 o'clock position. My extra mag holder is an OWB good quality leather one...works great. I did hit my gun against a State Trooper's gun manipulating myself into a busy IHop once. He turned around and looked at me...I just smiled and walked on in.
Did the shoulder rig 78 to mid 80s after 5 years in the Army. Ran a Colt Officers .45 in Washington State doing spec security. Great if you can wear a coat/jacket (even the right kind of vest) all the time, otherwise it doesn't work. Now many decades later I learned as a civlian either proper IWB/appendix/pocket carry (in the warmer states) is a quicker way to go. However I would never presume to tell someone "the" way to carry as it is a personal decision. Which I believe is your actual premiss of this vid, telling your opinion. Anyway this is just my own opinion coming from an ol dino 😉.
stay safe keep warm have fun and whittle to keep your sanity (I must be sane due to all the wood chips out back).
ol greybeard dino
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I do carry IWB, but I cannot really argue with of your points, lol. The only method that I find that I can conceal, draw in a reasonable amount of time etc... is pocket carry... but then I am stuck with a pocket gun! Find what works for you, ask friends for advice.
Dude, you need to look at Alien Gear, highly customizable with ride depth, cant, shirt tuck, replaceable shells, retention. I love mine, carrying IWB with a Glock 26/27 gen 4, one of their gun belts, and 2 DSG Arms mag carriers on offside (not IWB), +1/+2 mags. I don't dump in public restrooms unless it's an absolute emergency, very rare. Shoulder holster leads to cross body draw and guns being pointed in an unsafe direction during the draw. Good video, good points. Thanks, and keep it up.
19:12 I lost it at the blowing mud part. hilarious.
I have had a totally different experience with IWB. I will say that it can be uncomfortable at times. However, I havent had any clothing size issues and I havent really had to modify my style of dress very much at all. I am 6'2" and I can conceal a Cz75 in shorts and a v-neck tshirt. I dont ever leave the gun at home unless I am going somewhere I am not legally allowed to carry (on post, schools... etc). In the end a lot of it is personal preference. Keep doing you Nutn!
The footage of you trying to get the IWB mag pouch on, looks like an infomercial video clip with someone struggling to do something easy. That was cool.
I carry iwbc everyday with a g4 glock19 and a weapons light. Everything you said is true. From trying to take a carp to sanding down my love handles on the G4's grip. very good video it brings up real issues with the method.
I carry iwbc(appendix to prevent bump checks) daily, being in scrubs it's the most effective means to conceal while allowing fast presentation. I wear 5.11 pants with the mag pocket to carry my spare and the remaining edc. regardless of your holster you still will be putting thought and preparation into your set up.
All valid points. In my experience a lot of the comfort factor is predicated on the thickness of the shell of the holster (especially with some rigid like Kydex). I found my full-sized Px4 -- even as fat as it is -- conceals more easily and comfortably for me with its low-quality thin-shelled Beretta-branded hybrid IWB holster than my XD-S with my Alien Gear Cloak 3.0, which is arguably a much better made and more durable holster than the other one, but also adds enough thickness to more than make up for the difference in the widths of the guns themselves (1.2" vs 1.0") and the backing material is stiffer.
BTW, I would not carry on a motorcyle or even a bicycle with IWB. That is asking for a bad injury to be made worse.
Your use of the term "brandishing" is inaccurate. Brandishing is the pointing/waving around of a weapon in anger, excitement, or to persuade. Brandishing is NOT "printing", your shirt slightly lifting up while reaching for something in a store, or someone accidentally bumping into you and feeling the firearm.
T-rex Arms Sidecar works really well for me for both Glock 43 and Glock 19. It's a kydex combo holster + spare mag, for appendix iwb. One unit, easy on and off, you can tuck it back into your pants when using the bathroom, rarely prints, comfortable weight distribution, very sturdy on the belt, and slim.
No. 9 REALLY stood out in terms of the downsides you mentioned. That might really make a difference in the long run and I might consider other options if I need to conceal carry...or just select another, more secure IWB option. There are some great datapoints in this one as always. Now if only I have time to watch more of your fantastic videos!