Awesome video. I'm a CCW instructor in Florida. My main focus on the class is number 1 - safety. Number 2 is what I call conflict avoidance/ conflict resolution. If you carry, you have a duty to avoid or mitigate conflict. Apologize even if you're in the right, walk away, ignore the person, but never ever ever provoke a conflict or add fuel to the fire, even if the end result is a justified shooting. I teach what I call "The Standard." Basically never use your weapon unless the following thought enters your mind - "Oh My God I'm About to Die!" If you don't think you're about to die, don't use a weapon!
Great discussion. 100% agreed. There have been many occasions where my wife has groaned about how slow and carefully I drive, and how much I put up with from other idiot drivers. What I see that she may not consider is when you give a rude gesture, start honking angrily, or whatever, there's no knowing what kind of unstable psycho you might be setting off. And since I'm packing, what may be just "blowing off steam" to me, could turn into a deadly confrontation. This news story is a prime example of that, IMO.
I live in Eastern Kentucky, where we (and please don't tell anyone, we try to keep this very low-key for fear of being labeled uncouth barbarians) have an open-carry and concealed carry rights. Open carry is allowed without a permit, concealed requires a permit. I worked in Emergency Medical Services for fifteen years, so I have seen just about every possible manner in which human beings can kill each other. I have been raised around firearms all my life, and I open carry every day. My firearm is just something that is as much a part of my daily attire as my boots. But just because I am perfectly comfortable carrying my firearm, I never lose sight of the fact that it is there. I am taking the long way around to make my point, but I felt that some background was in order. In the summer of 2014, I was involved in a near-collision during a severe rainstorm in which a tree limb had blown into the road. The other vehicle and I both came around the curve at the same time and both attempted to avoid the limb. We were both able to stop in time. This is where the situation went sideways. It is the norm in my area to both get out of the vehicle, make sure we are both all right, and then remove the limb, so as to make sure no one else was hurt later. However, the other driver went ballistic and rushed me. As I was standing behind the door to my vehicle, he could not see my 1911 in a drop-leg retention holster. As he got to me, he saw the weapon, and I can only assume, panicked. He grabbed my weapon and tried to rip it from my leg. Instead of kicking him to the ground and firing my weapon in self-defense (Kentucky is a Stand Your Ground State), I left it in the retention holster and used my fists to convince the individual that attacking me was inappropriate. As you have pointed out, I could have killed the man in self-defense, but what was the point? I do not carry a firearm to find a problem, I carry a weapon in case there may be one. Having seen hundreds upon of hundreds of GSW deaths, I am in no hurry to add to that number. Idiots should not allow themselves to be fooled that carrying a firearm makes them invincible nor infallible. Fire if you must, not simple because you can. Just some wisdom from a silly redneck from the sticks. Keep up the videos, you are bringing education to people that desperately need it.
Isn't it interesting how the whole Florida incident could be avoided if just one of them showed a small amount of maturity or character? No one would be dead.
exactly. i had a similar incident here in wi were a guy pulled out in front of me then slammed on the brakes. he got out cam at me then went back in his car. i thought he was going for a gun. mine was next to me the whole time. what did i do? 1. locked the doors 2. slid into the center of the car 3. threw it in reverse and started to back away while watching him the whole time. 4. took down his plate and went to a safe place and called the police. the cop was told by his GF he was so out of control she barely could talk him back into the car on the road. the officer informed her that she just saved his life. a gun is the last option when there is no other option. it for when its your life of the dirt bags. i for one will be going home to my family every night.
"It's almost like they're looking for a fight." Yuuuuuup. These are not people interested in self-defense. They are seeking an opportunity to act out their violent fantasies.
Had the exact same experience as nutn with the cut off road rage story. I felt bad for cutting the guy off, didn't see him while changing lanes on highway. Dude followed me to stop light got out of his car with a 9 iron. I went through a 3 second decision process get out of car and engage, stay in car get windows smashed/myself smashed, or run the red light and book it out of there. I chose option 3
Well played and good decision. Nothing wrong with fleeing at all. Because you did that you still have an enjoyable life, no legal bills, no guilt for having to kill that guy, and your freedom. -nutn
Spencer Stagg had a similar situation but the guy had his hand in his pocket and the other hand banging on my glass. Throughout this whole situation i felt in the wrong but if this guy breaks into my car i would have felt compelled to you use lethal force. Instead i ran the red light and fled the situation. This guys life was saved and his family has a dad to come home to.
nutnfancy please review the Taurus pt111 g2 they have dropped the price on them and I can pick one up for $198 but I would like to find out your opinion on it I know Taurus has come along ways in the last few years so just curious how this gun would stack up
Spencer Stagg Yee. When we look to nature, we see most animals in the wild FLEE when danger presents. They live to see another day. Compare to the human foolery over getting killed because of an argument. I dont think any pedator in the wild like the hawk feels like less of hawk because he flew past an enemy.
Brandon Houston don't get it, they just had to pay $39million for a class action lawsuit due to defective handguns. Check Bersa, Kel-Tec, Smith & Wesson, and a few Rugers.
100% agree. I don't see how ANY laws are made that directly contradict the Constitution, but whatever. School, bar, government building. Those are the only places I wouldn't carry.
Carrying a gun for defense is serious business. It's been awhile since we've talked about it. The Florida neighborhood shooting and some popular internet attitudes means the time is right. Another reference TNP Philosophy vid.
+nutnfancywell IAM NOT FROM USA dont own a gun thought the video would be funny like a list of stupid stuff not to do great video BTW .No offence but if someone comes to your doorstep its not the middle of nowhere so you can run to your home. generally 2 stupid people but a very good example.One angel im looking at it from you might not be Gonzales got what he wanted he got Doyle in trouble look what it cost him.had a bit of a similar situation here dont wanna bother typing still following someone to his home getting out of the car and expecting that by yelling at him you are gonna achieve some goal i have nothing further to say
+nutnfancy HINDSIGHT IS ALWAYS 20/20... So you take it upon yourself to judge? and KEEP MENTIONING your past videos TO GET THOSE VIEWS... I used to like your videos.... NOW I will "BAILOUT" and never watch your 20/20hindsight BABBLING!!!
+LevAgency That's OK - I will take your place! I felt everything about this video was heartfelt and right. I know you don't understand the difference between hindsight and using an event for educational purposes, but I do. So I guess I will make a better subscriber than you anyway. Have a good life.
Gs Wovoka What did you learn from Examining this event for educational purposes. That if someone followed you and your family home, you'll do what? What is the tactical lesson that you LEARNED from this event? Do TELL?
This is probably one of the most important topics you've ever covered. My dad told me something when I was a kid that always stuck with me. he said "Tough guys end up in one of two places: prison, or the grave. You've got nothing to prove." Excellent video. Keep doing what you do.
myantispambox Dashcams are awesome, I'm always telling people it's worth the $50 per but no one listens. Better than he said she said come court time. -TD
Patrick Aherne The G1W-C is typically cited as the starting point for dash cams. Go through a US-based Amazon.com seller to purchase it (for warranty concerns).
+The Stoned Videogame Nerd I've noticed that in Russia, the car's windshield wipers come on immediately after an accident almost every time. I get tickled about that and laugh through to the next scene. Anybody else?
When you carry a gun, your obligation to be LESS confrontational begins. When someone just pisses you off, it's time to back off and do whatever you can to make the other person right. There are two lawyers, a judge and jury behind every round fired, as well the wounds suffered and psychological scars that never really heal. The media will do their damnedest to make you the bad guy, and many will put signs in their yard calling for justice for the person you injure or kill. This is something to think about before you decide to carry.
Yah, last week an African American male waved a gun at my rear escort driver. He went around me real fast got off the off ramp then slowed down real slow. He was waving something , I didn't know what was going on I couldn't understand my buddy on the radio he was screaming in the mic. I need too upload it to RUclips . I have people road rage at me everyday because I pull oversize loads. If some one shoots me a bird or something I act like I don't see them. I'm used to it. People just need to calm down, slow down, and think about others. Instead of the me me me attitude. It helps to pray too. I say a prayer going down the road. God please keep me safe and everyone around me, and give me patience with others that don't.
+arridedry Man, people who fuck with lorries are just dumb. I mean, every single thing any of us owns was at least at one point in a lorry, there is no way around that. Yeah, it pisses me of when I am in a hurry and get stuck behind a big truck, but I am mad because of the situation, I am not angry with the driver. Do those people think truckers just drive their empty lorries around for fun while goods spontaneously generate on the stores shelves?
+smolkafilip Yeah, pretty much. Drove for 17 years and recently got out to pursue my dream of being a police officer. I always think of it this way..."I'm sorry that I'm slowing you down, I'm doing the best my equipment will allow me to do, but did you ever stop to think that you're not the only one that is having to go slow? I might be slowing you down til you can get around me, but I've gotta deal with what you're going through all day long. Sure it's frustrating, but I'm really not doing it on purpose. Even if I am doing it on purpose, it's for safety reasons. Would you rather slow down for me to make this curve or turn or spend the next 2 hours dealing with police after this truck rolls over?" People just don't stop to think anymore.
Brian Hunt Exactly, its like people think truckers are slowing people down for fun or what. Its just physics. If your car is high, box shaped and filled with heavy shit, its gonna go slower.
+Brian Hunt If most folks who are running late( they think because of your truck) would leave home a little earlier. Then a slow truck wouldn't be keeping them from getting to their destination on time. Just sayin!
Bad decisions, are made daily, If you carry you need to hold yourself to a higher degree of restraint, because as anyone can tell you once the shooting starts, its all bad after that. I drive a truck all day and people get pissed, at me, i'm in their way, and i get pissed too . But its not life or death. Ego is the factor that is causing the problems. And those who shouldn't carry seem be the one's who do, just like drinking and driving. in my truck i carry a hammer, i leave my gun in my personal vehicle.
I usually don't comment on videos. Correction: I never comment on videos on youtube, BUT in this case I feel like I have to. I think this video should be shown in all concealed carry classes around U.S., and the reason is: You just described (what in my opinion is) the fundamental rule of carrying a gun. Every concealed weapon carrier person should HOPE they never have to use their gun. I really liked your thought process and the way you explained it in this video. Thumbs up, Sir!!!
I agree with you. I pray I never have to draw my firearm...but I don't ever want to be in the position were I need to and all I have is a few quarters and pocket lint...
"Bear in mind, because so many don't, the awesome power that you possess as an armed citizen in this society. You possess a power that does not exist in this country within the highest arms of the judiciary, within the highest arms of the practice of medicine, or of the church. You possess the power, upon your own summary command and judgement without review, to take the life of another human being." --Massad Ayoob
stopthemadness99 Thanks nutnfancy. Good as always. I carry in Arizona and recommend anybody who is thinking of this tremendous responsibility or already has made the choice to please read the Concealed Carry Gun Digest book by incredible author and instructor...Massad Ayoob.
I took my LTC class this past Saturday - waiting on the license. I'm doing the whole "firearms thing" as an older man. Frankly, I was too much of a knuckle head for it when I was younger. I just watched this video and consider it invaluable study material. Our class didn't hit on anything like it. Frankly, the LTC class seemed like a formality - 5 hours to fulfill the "5 hour" requirement. The proficiency part wasn't even graded. I saw what kind of shooting many of my "classmates" were doing. Shots all over the targets at 3 yards. The guy next to me actually hit MY target (at 7 yards). Everyone passed. This has been on my mind all week. Very, VERY sobering. Anyway, this video made me a fan. Thanks!
Having my pistol license has been a good exercise in keeping my cool. I always remind myself that it's not worth getting mad, just let the other person be right, and go about your day free of holes or bruises. I loose my temper much less these days for the very reason that if I get mad I'm a threat and I'm there to deal with the threat not to be the threat.
I may carry a firearm daily but at the end of the day, if I was ever to be caught up in an active shooter situation, I'm running as far from the gun shots as I can. I'm not a cop, I'm not going to hunt this person down and risk my life and my family in the process. If the shooter was in my sights, that's a bit of a different story. I'm not chasing someone down, I'm not running toward the gun fire. The point of have a CWP is to end a potential threat to your life, not purposely put your life on the line for a potential threat.
solesearched Which is the right thing to do in a active shooter event. Create distance if that can be done, restrict access for the shooter and then defend. If one pop's off in front of you, find cover and engage the threat.
+solesearched That is your purpose, but some of us have others. To each their own. I'm a Marine Corps infantry machine gunner who saw 14 months of combat in Ramadi from '05-'07. I run willingly into danger if people are in trouble. I'm not going to try to talk you out of anything, but what if it was your parents, spouse, children or friends in the shooter's sights? Wouldn't you want someone to save them? I can't live knowing I did nothing to save another life when it was within my power to do so. And, for the record, falsely asserting your own interpretation of the purpose for having a CWP as the only moral purpose sounds like a chickenshit attempt to shame people who would get involved simply because you don't want to admit your own lack of courage. Again, you don't have to get involved and I'm not saying everyone who does not have the courage (not lack of fear, but courage) is a bad person, but don't try to protect your ego by asserting that people who would protect others at risk to their own life are somehow misappropriating the use of their permit. Keep training, stay alert, and good luck to you.
+vertigo0331 Semper Fi Brother. Some of us were built to protect. Others were built to run. Hero's are made not born. The real test comes when we face the fires that burn around us daily. Those who protect out of instinct are the same people who join the armed forces and serve our fellow man. Thank you for your service Brother!!!
When I was a Police Officer, I was part of a Team of other Patrol Officers. We trained together and worked together daily in all kinds of weather. We wore the same uniforms, bullet resistance vests and carried the same radios. We backed each other up and we trusted each other with our lives and safety. When we were in dangerous situations, we found we could communicate with hand signals and radio mic clicks. We didn't have to talk. Now, I am a private citizen and no longer work in law enforcement. I carry concealed with a concealed carry permit. Should I ever find myself in the vicinity of an active shooter, I will move myself and family to a safer location and use my cellphone to call the Police with as many details as I can give them. I will only use my weapon to stop a lethal attack against me or my family. I am not part of the Team anymore and I will no longer run to the sound of gunfire. I will run away from the gunfire if safe to do so.
I had a situation happen to me where a guy was "merging onto the highway" and it was my fault that he couldn't get over apparently, I didn't even see the guy but I sped up to give him room. At the exit, he was saying that it was my fault and all that and I said sorry, I didn't see you and he wanted me to pull over to the gas station and talk with him about it. Big red flag there and I said, "Sorry, sir, I have somewhere to be." Follows me around for a couple miles until I pull into the State Highway Patrol headquarters. He drove off then. Pretty scary, but glad nothing came of it.
I see open carriers here in Vegas all the time. They love the looks and stares they get when they walk around with their guns. Ironically....they give out ccw permits like candy here so there is no reason to open carry. I have never heard of a single off duty cop choosing to open carry.
At the end of everyday as I take off my firearm I say a silent "Thank You" to God that I was not put into a situation to have to use it... In all circumstances it should be and is THE LAST option. Today, I say "Thank You" to God again and to you... To God for giving you the Wisdom to say what you did here and to you for taking the time to say what needed to be said. I will pass the link to this video to my son and my CC friends. It will garner a good discussion needing to take place. Great Job! I am now a new subscriber.
I've been a police officer for 13 years and I do carry off duty. I'll be perfectly happy, in fact I pray that I never have to use it. I've had it out and have had a few close calls. That's enough for me.
Thanks for this video, nutnfancy. It's such an important topic for us who decide to carry legally. As a MAG40 grad, I cannot stress enough the burden of responsibility of using common sense and training when carrying. Be safe and use your noggin.
As a combat veteran of many different countries, I can simply say this. I carry everyday. I change out my duty rounds every 30 days. I clean and lube my weapon every 30 days. If I never, ever hear a shot fired in anger again it will be too soon. I carry a fire extinguisher in my truck, along with a good set of tool, the usual winter gear when needed and various other things that come in handy in emergency's. I look at my sidearm as another tool. I've been carrying a firearm for 20 years in the military and about 12 years as a civilian. I have only had to draw my carry pistol once and that was on a mean dog in a park where my kids were at. I ended up smacking him on the head with a stick. Looking back it was pretty funny. I'm fully trained, in fact I'm over trained, to defend myself or my loved ones. I would if pushed to that extent. I would much rather just walk away than have to fight. Recently a good friend of mine was involved in a good shoot. His mother up brother in law was holdinga gun to his wife's head. He of course shot the guy. It ruined him. Financially, emotionly, he ended up divorcing his wife who he had saved. He lost his job because of all the court appearances. He lost custody of his kids in the divorce because of his mental state. That has changed since, but still.was his shot justified? Sure! The guy had a gun to his wife's head. Should he have had some sort of NRA insurance, yep. He did not plan for what comes after the shot. That was his major fault. By the way he is a 22 year combat veteran. He now lives in a run down camper on his mom and dads farm. He can't even get a job at Walmart because everybody knows what happened. He did the right thing but it cost him his life.
I love the advice in this video. Concealed carry has MADE me non confrontational for all the reasons you mentioned. The last thing I want to happen is needing to draw and fire. The responsibility weighs heavily on me, but the awareness of my surroundings has been switched to high definition, and in our current world that has become so very important. Thank you.
most states have laws saying you can defend yourself to prevent death or great bodily harm,, till you actually do it then the state prosecutes you-it makes no sense?
Thanks for outlining this bad deal. Everyone who has ever been in a shooting says they suffer worse than the person they shot.....I don't want that. If there is any other solution other than drawing my weapon....I will take it.
This is spot on! It definitely brings the right attitude, sense of gravity, mentality, and mindset to the table. I believe this whole heartedly and its these concepts and ideals that have influence my conduct as a person everyday for as long as I can remember. Its driven by wisdom and experience.
CC class story. Guy in Pizza hut is there with girlfriend. During dinner, the guy looks at a guy in a table near over the shoulder of his girlfriend. Their eyes lock for a second. Guy turns head. A minute later, guy accidently make eye contact again. The other guy yells at him, "what is your problem, you want some of me". The whole restraunt is watching them both. The guy said, "sir whatever I did to affend you I am sorry." Now everyone in the restraunt is looking at the other guy. Situation over. No fight. No shots fired.
***** Yea, definitely worth risking another drive by and having your kids shot because you don't want to worry about finding a job. Plus I think he was factoring in "job searching" into the affordability of moving. Take it easy with the word "retarded".
Best commentary on the responsibility of exercising our right to bear arms to defend our loved ones I've heard in a long time. We have a tremendous responsibility when we decide to carry a weapon and we better be prepared, both emotionally, legally and physically to exercise that right. Thank you.
Enjoyed the vid and I carry ccw all the time it is legal for me to do so. Key point I took away from Nutn's vid is that when carrying, exercise good judgement and thought. My comment exactly to people who have issue w/ ccw: if I can flee then I'm gone. No fight, no blame. But I do not choose to be a victim if I can't flee. If others choose to not carry then that is there business. Keep up the awesome work! P.S. I loved the Mauser vid!!!
Videos like this are why I support the project and consider myself a "tnp'er". As your public outreach increases so too does the wisdom of these philosophies, the mutual respect between the non-carrier and the carrier, approving of stand your ground laws while also encouraging escape if possible, the burden and responsibilities of not only carrying but also taking life and, a huge one for me, the use of force continuum. I couldn't agree more or share this video enough. If even half of this was "common sense"... Man, what a country we'd live in.
I had a few good points to make in a comment, but you really covered everything. Good job. First big point for me would be to be polite, The second was, don't bring it to your house. It's my home town, I know where the police station is and I do not want to brandish in front of the police. At the police station, I could sit in the car and wait for an officer, if the nut following me doesn't have a weapon. I'm a truck driver, so I get cut off all the time. The world won't change if I get angry and show my ass. So, keep calm and carry on.
Nutn, as a Law Enforcement Officer of over 20 years I have run into many people like you describe in this video. The "hoping to engage" mentality is foolishness in the extreme. Even if their actions are legally justifiable it is almost a dead certainty that they will be met with civil action from a family member of the deceased, not to mention living with the incident in their head the rest of their life. Your video is very sound advice, live in condition yellow, walk softly, speak quietly, but be prepared to "visit violence on those who would us harm" when they choose to endanger life.
Thank you dude, I'm glad to see someone else has some common sense when it comes to carrying a firearm. You've restored my faith in humanity a bit more. I know I truly hope I never have to fire my weapon in a self defense situation & God forbid I ever have to take a life but like any "normal" human being that carries I will if I absolutely positively have to.
ParkerFriedChicken Probably misjudgment. People think guys that are into the stuff nutn is into are crazy. But, everyone can learn better, and its good he admitted fault.
It seems like a well-meaning thing to say, although there was no admission of fault, which is not necessarily bad. None of this necessarily has anything to do with Tactical: I've seen quite a few people have dismissive or condescending attitudes toward Nutn. A guy at my local knife store, good guy and knows his stuff, said that Nutnfancy knows his stuff about guns and not so much with knives, but I doubt he's watched even one whole video. Anyone who watches his reviews knows he has a very subjective approach as a backpacker. What is there to not know about how you feel and find preferable for your use with knives?
Tac, bro the way i see it as the good guys have to stick together! Even if we have different opnions on stuff or dont like a person for some certin reason. When it comes down to it, all the good guys need to stick together. If we dont then honestly we fucked. Specially if wrol!!
Man, the last 2 - 3 minutes is about the most important message for so many folks that may fascinate about how it would go down. The fan fare would be zilch compared to the pain from taking the life of another. Thanks Nutn
Can I just say how much I love that gun owners are getting smart. This kind of video 5 years ago would've had more dislikes than likes, and everyone in the comments would be boasting about their authority to end other people's lives because of the constitution. Those people made me want the strictest gun laws in the world. This new wave of results-based education is so much more comforting. Shooting someone should be an unfortunate, last ditch effort to save your life. Very very very few confrontations and crimes are that situation.
Florida is 'ruined' beyond hope . How do I know this ? I have lived here for over 50 years . Thankfully in the northern part of the state now . But still even north Florida is now ruined . There are way too many people in this state . If I could afford to leave I would .
there are better places to live just got do your homework, but I can promise you California sucks a lot and I leaving to in matter of time in another maybe five or ten years California is done its already to over populated and the water will run out fxxxxck California
You know it's not always a certainty if you're ever ready. I know that since I graduated high school I've thought I was ready and I remember one day on my college campus I was sitting around bored for an hour waiting for a class and I saw a guy down a 50 foot hall or so setting up an easel, but to me I saw a glint of wood and I honestly thought it was the hand guard of an AK. I was half way to the parking lot before it hit me that I wasn't hearing shooting but if I had had a gun that day I may have caused a scene that would have been on the 6pm news if not put an innocent man in the morgue. The one thing it taught me is when you honestly think someone is going to try and kill you and has the gear to do it your mind changes ludicrously fast and what you think of doing isn't what you think you're going to do.
I remember one day in high school business class we weren't doing anything so I fell asleep for a little bit. I was then startled awake by the sound of a magazine being inserted into a pistol and the slide being released Thank god nobody actually had a gun. It was just my friend messing with a stapler. The magazine sound was him closing the slider to add staples and the releasing of the slide was him folding it back to use it.
Very good video, I was conceal carrying for a while and had a confrontation with teenagers in a movie theater. I was threatened with lethal force, but I didn't escalate the situation, walked away and lived to tell you about it. I realized that having the responsibility to make a life or death decision wasn't for me, I stopped carrying everyday.
So if I read the facts correctly.... Doyle does not get involved when there is a road incident and instead continues on his way. Gonzales follows Doyle home and then gets out of his vehicle and becomes the aggressor on Doyle's own home property. Doyle has no were else to retreat to since he is already at his home with his family. The aggressor (Gonzales) also now knows where he lives. Gonzales is shot in the ensuing confrontation. Does that about sum it up? Doesn't seem like a bad shoot to me. Doyle's call to 911 indicated he was being followed by an aggressor. Gonzales call into 911 admits he was following Doyle home to confront him. Had Gonzales continued on his way instead of trying to play sheriff he would be alive.
Grey Wolf Armory That's what I interpret those facts to be. The deceased was totally stupid to follow ANYONE while hauling around his wife and child. And then present himself in what I would perceive as a threatening manner. In my home state, PA, I do NOT have the option to have any form of baton. Only some of the weakest pepper spray is available to non-police here too. So escalation of force options are severely lacking in PA ;(
Martin Wright It does sound like his actions were good but knowing how to communicate with the authorities should be part of carrying. They failed that part, and it's possible it will get him jacked up. If he would have calmly said that he was being followed home by an aggressive individual he was a legal CCW holder and was armed and told the dispatcher what he was wearing it would look much better for him.
Grey Wolf Armory it's still wrong, if a guy is following you and you have the means to still escape why wouldn't you? He didn't have to head straight home, a slight detour over to a police station, heaven knows there are tons of those around, and the situation would have been different. I know I would never head home with someone following me. Yes I have the means to protect myself but I wouldn't put my family in harms way due to my pride. He told 911 his gun was cocked and locked; once again indicating he was going to use it. A simpler statement of hey I'm a ccw permit holder and am carrying today would be sufficient to get the point across without the intent of wanting to use it. I 100% agree with stand your ground laws but only if it's unavoidable. I'm not running away while some one shoots up the proverbial chick-fil-a harming innocent children but I'm sure not going to give someone the easy opportunity to find out where I live either.
John Doe For the most parts my thoughts as well. I can see this going down as being legally in the right but still morally and tactically in the wrong.
Grey Wolf Armory There is a difference between drawing with a warning to back off and shooting someone. There are levels just like Nutnfancy said. Drawing the weapon can diffuse the aggression, but if he didn't allow that to occur, he skipped steps. The point isn't when can I fire my weapon. It is when do I have no other reasonable choice but to fire it. We don't have all of the details, but absent a report that Gonzales was approaching despite seeing the gun and getting a warning, it was an unnecessary shoot. If you are behind cover and you warn them to back away with a visible gun, I have a hard time believing that an average road rager would keep coming.
I want to thank you for the grounded common sense approach you've presented in this video. I hope lot of people watch this and realize consequence of action without proper forethought can be detrimental. I've found in most situations, the event can be defused without altercation and most peoples immediate reactions can be lowered with a simple apology. Good video.
I have seen few of your videos but have never subscribed ... until now. I give you mad respect for revisiting this topic. My father just recently got 2 guns (G17 gen4 and the Springfield XD SubCompact.) He didn't hide it from us but instead trained us to respect the fear and understand both the tool, the mentality and the pyschological aspects of firing a gun even if it's only firing at shooting range paper
+Ivan Denisovich Shukhov On another note, I really don't understand why people get so pissed about shit that happens while driving. A couple weeks ago, I was late for an exam and was driving pretty fast. I failed to yield in a merging lane at an intersection and love-tapped the car in front of me that had yielded to a car crossing the intersection. There was no damage to either vehicle. We shook hands and went our separate ways, no hot-headedness whatsoever.
This is why I love this channel, and hope it keeps growing. At :22 "This is at the heart of what I am about..." and that look in Nutn's eyes. Passionate about defending himself, his family, and others around him. Part of what has influenced me to obtain my permit and now currently saving up for either a G26 or G19 depending on if I can conceal a 19 comfortably or not. Keep up the good work on informing people of options/systems and ideology.
Every person who carries should pray to God daily that they would never have to draw a gun on anyone. We should be willing without question but have a VERY strong desire to not have to. ONLY " Good", guys/gals absolutely do not want to have to use their gun for real. If someone "wants" to use their gun, they need to look inward and realize they are not a "Good" guy/gal.
Thank you Nutnfancy for posting this video. I think talking about the seriousness and responsibility of carrying a weapon for self defense needs to be addressed more often. Everything you touched on in this video is spot on and i agree with you on the two fellas in that FL shooting. They were both in the wrong and things got way out of control and emotions took over common sense. Sadly it ended badly for both family's. It's not easy being a sheepdog but someone has to do it. I've carried for over 15 years here in Anchorage, Ak and not once have i ever had to pull a gun on someone and would never want to when other options could be exercised. Pulling out a gun is always the LAST OPTION to consider. I love the videos, the review about the Sig P227 was great btw. I just picked up a P227 a few weeks back and am loving it with the TLR 4 hanging from the rails in my nightstand.
I really do not understand these road rage issues. I have been cut off plenty of times before. I get cut off, say "That ass!" and then 10 seconds later I forget about it. What is with all this anger just because some jerk cut you off?
Jesse Sisolack No kidding. Don't people have to get somewhere? I just want to get where I need to go without incidence so you can cut me off all you want and I won't care.
Jesse Sisolack That's becuase like most of us you're a normal rational person usually muttering or shouting some rude words helps vent the entire situation and you then forget it.
Thankyou for posting this video. I recently just applied for my CPL and i have to admit that after watching this video i question if im really ready for it. To be honest I think i need to change some ways of thinking before i start carrying, thanks to you. Your opinion is one i highly value, whenever i have a question about a weapon im thinking of purchasing i always look to see what you say about it. But also your vids like this that make me think, are another reason i value your opinion. Thanks for being real.
Just wanted to take a minute and tell you how much I enjoy all of your videos. See eye to eye with you on everything in this video, and wish everyone would watch this video...then seriously think about all of the points you bring up. Keep up the good work :)
Taking someone's life, under any circumstances, is a burden you carry for your entire life - whether he was a bad guy or not. I do not ever recall someone saying "WOW I really enjoyed killing that guy"
I am a ccw holder and part time instructor and range officer . I am also a part time bail inforcment officer . I see stupid crap all the time. You and I agree on this very much. I think this one of the best videos you have ever put out. Thank you.
As the news story goes. i count that up to (ill be blunt here) to idiots meeting in the course of being idiots its tragic but it happens comes down to the person. as when it comes to me and my pistol im thankful that at the end of the day that i haven't had to touch it.
I agree. I had this simular thing happen to me. I was driving slow, on a side road, posted 25 mph, looking at Christmas lights, in my neighbor hood. My family was with me. A truck doing about 50 mph drove up n me . Etc....Did I say we were looking at Christmas lights. I had my gun with me, ready to go. It stayed in its place. I drove to the police station and made a report. He broke off, when he realized where I was going. The cops knew exactly who he was. The neighbors and Police had multiple problems with him. This Marine has a temper, but I have also have a strong mind and a stronger love for my family and JESUS.Christ.
Just saw your vid. Seriously glad I did. You have a new fan. It is refreshing to see someone talking common sense and trying to relate the seriousness of our decisions and actions. Once that bullet is fired you cannot bring it back and once you take a life you cannot bring it back either. It is a shame that common sense isn't so common anymore. Thanks again I really enjoyed the video.
molon labe Yep. Like Trayvon jumping on Zimmerman, Gonzalez made a bad decision to escalate, and paid the price. He had no business getting out of his truck and confronting the other party, especially since he was not harmed and had already called the police.
molon labe even in a non gun place people should do that... I never understood anyone getting in a fight with a total stranger that they prob never have to see again in their whole life.
A tragic scenario, and one one of the best presentations I have seen. BTW, the fellow in the wheelchair was my son-in-law, and the reasoning/necessity for carrying has been one to which I have given long and serious thought. I have been lurking here for quite a while,and figured it is about time I subscribed.
If your car is physically able to move, drive away. If you've got to hit a mailbox, do so. If you've got to drive on the curb, do so. James Yeager has a good series of videos about what to do if you're in a car and something starts to happen.
David Burke I had an "interesting" situation. I ran a red light at a terrible intersection, at that point, I could have cared less about hitting another vehicle. My pursuer didn't follow and I drove like a wacko to the police station about 1000 yds away.
David Burke Anti- terrorism technique the military teaches:Never pull up tight to the rear bumper of the car in front of you at a light .Always leave enough room for a "just drive away" escape.
Yeah, there's tons of "non tactical" reasons to leave some distance between you and the can in front of you; if for nothing more than not hitting the car in front of you if someone smashes into the back of your car. (Yes, you wouldn't be at fault for the accident, but you still lose)
You are a ver wise person. Im just 27 years old but already had a break-in situation in my house when I stood face-to-face with a robber. I was armed. The experience was eye-opening and compleately changed the way I looked at the responsibility of carrying a gun as well as what the law regulations are. Just now I can say that I did not realize all that before. I still carry but understand my mistakes. I respect you a lot for sharing this wisdome.
I like your reviews, but I subscribe because you knock these philosophy vids out of the park. When you wear a weapon, you MUST leave any ego or chip on the shoulder at the door. In fact, I prefer to be overly polite when in public. 1. I prefer to be polite anyway. 2. If something happens in a place you frequent, then people will tend to take your side if police start interviewing witnesses. I hope to never pull my weapon in an emergency, just as I did not take CPR hoping to use it someday. But if left with no other choice, I will pull my weapon to save lives. I had one occasion on my honeymoon in Canada, (no right to carry). I waited at an intersection for a homeless man to cross the street, instead, he snapped, and started F-bombing us, then he ran to the car and began pulling on the door handle on my wife's side. I jerked the wheel to the right and smoked the tires on the mustang! We both lived to tell the story and though I may have run over the bad guy's feet, he also survived the confrontation. Life is good!
I've been carrying for 6 months. I have made watching this video once per week a habit. I had most of the points in mind before I started carrying, and now I think it is an excellent way to reinforce the important points you make, so I can keep them in the front of my mind and never get complacent about the responsibilities involved. The attorney general in my state would absolutely love to bring murder charges against a concealed carry permit holder like Doyle (we have a 'duty to retreat' law here). It's important that we all adopt a swallow your pride mindset to mitigate the biases and inaccurate representations that are made of most responsible gun owners and concealed carriers, and to act with sound judgment in order to further ensure that our rights are not taken. Thanks a bunch for this video.
As an Australian, Concealed Carry is so illegal that this discussion is mostly irrelevent to me. If we did have the ability to carry, the thing that would make me hesitate is a situation where I, for example, took down an active shooter. Next minute a cop, or ANOTHER CCW holder, puts a bullet in my chest, because in the heat of the moment, anyone with a gun is a target. Hell, imagine if you one day killed someone who was actually a good guy trying to do exactly the same thing as you. As i said I'm aussie so don't have much of a clue about CCW, but I'm curious as to whether or not there are many recorded incidents of this happening.
Hey dude, I'm a 19 year old Lance in the USMC. I started watching a few weeks ago because of my older brother, he recommended your videos to me and I liked them, but this one really got me hooked. I was really looking forward to buying and concealing once I turn 21 because I'm 19 and stupid and didn't really think about the points you brought up in this video. Just wanted to let the project know that you got into my head and grounded me a little bit. So thank you and keep up the awesome videos!
Doyle’s announcement of his preparedness to fight sounds like he was entering Jeff Cooper's “condition orange” - a suspicious or potentially threatening subject has been identified and preparedness (physical - the gun - and mental - preparation for a confrontation) for meeting the threat (should it materialize) takes place. (As Cooper himself put it, a condition in which you realize, “I might have to shoot THAT person.”) Probably not smart to state it out loud to the 911 operator (because of bad optics), but certainly a legitimate step in the string of mental and physical preparations that precede a possible use of lethal force, as taught by one of the experts. If Doyle has a smart attorney, he'll bring this up in his defense, if necessary. Doyle's attitude towards being armed didn't make Gonzalez follow him to his home and get out of his vehicle. Who was the dickhead? Maybe there were two, and one of them brought a bad attitude, and nothing else, to a gun fight? (I see you got around to this idea of "two clowns.") But if Doyle can't defend himself on his own property with his back to his own home, where can he do so? (Gonzalez, by showing such aggression himself, made of himself a potential long-range threat of the “I know where you live” type. This may have passed through Doyle’s mind, “If I don’t kill this guy now, he will remain a threat to me and my family because he knows where we live.” If I were a juror, I’d certainly entertain that justification.) BTW, Wikipedia gives an incorrect definition of SYG. SYG laws do not give a person the right to use lethal force rather than retreat. SYG laws prevent the state from prosecuting for failure to retreat. The difference is subtle, but SYG laws began to appear in response to laws in other States that mandated retreat when possible. SYG laws are the States' way of affirming the right to defend oneself wherever one may lawfully be with no duty to first consider retreat, a right that always existed and that "duty to retreat" laws tread upon. (It is a thoroughly craven idea that a person must retreat in the face of an unlawful assault, and as thoroughly immoral for a State to impose such a consideration upon its citizens at moments when they have the least time for any thought other than their own defense. It also puts the citizen in the position of justifying actions that were imposed upon him by a criminal. If something illegal results, shouldn’t the criminal be held responsible?) SYG is not an affirmative defense raised at trial by shooters. In States with SYG laws, the only thing that matters is whether or not the use of lethal force was justified. If it was, then whether the shooter was "standing his ground" or had an opportunity to retreat are both irrelevant, because the prosecution can't prosecute for failure to retreat. (The interesting thing about this, when you stop and consider it, is that every person who blames SYG for Trayvon Martin's death is actually admitting George Zimmerman acted in lawful self-defense, because SYG only applies to lawful shootings - but not in the way Martin's apologists believed.) BTW, Gonzalez could not possibly have invoked SYG to excuse his following of Doyle - I'll say it again - the only purpose of SYG is to prevent the prosecution of users of lethal force for failure to retreat. It does not allow you to create a confrontation in the first place; it merely allows you to defend yourself when trouble comes to you without fear of being prosecuted for failure to retreat. (So misunderstood is SYG that I cannot state that too often. Wrap your heads around that - "standing your ground" does not contribute to a claim of self-defense.) I too carry for active shooter situations. I don't consider myself aggressive enough to defend myself in a situation that requires immediate response. (Who knows, it might happen, I just don't carry relying on such capability.) But given two seconds, I can do what's necessary. (In fact I have put myself at risk in order to assist others. So I know I can do it.) Re: Shooting in defense of others is perfectly justifiable under the law. Police can do it because citizens can do it. No one can grant authority he doesn't possess himself and we (as a society) have authorized the police to kill in defense of others. Therefore we must have the same authority to act in defense of fellow citizens and the community. This is what Sir Robert Peel referred to in his 1829 "Principles of Law Enforcement" as "the historic tradition that the police are the public and the public are the police; the police are only members of the public who are paid to give full-time attention to duties which are incumbent on every citizen in the intent of the community welfare." Morally, you have a duty to defend the innocent if you are capable. You do not, however, have a moral duty to sacrifice yourself in defense of others, and you may have a moral duty to not respond in order to preserve yourself if you have an over-arching moral duty to others to remain alive (family, especially dependents). Personally, if sitting on a jury, I would never vote to convict anyone who used lethal force against any attacker in an otherwise lawful, actual self-defense situation. Self-defense is not a game. Although the law says you can't use lethal force unless threatened with lethal force, I believe one should be able to presume all unlawful assailants present a threat of lethal force, armed or not. We've all seen the videos of one-hit KOs on the street. Once that happens to you, you could be dead meat. An innocent person shouldn't have to wait until the realization that he's the object of a lethal-force attack. First, by the time that realization dawns, it may be too late. Second, that realization may not happen - one moment you're on your feet, the next you're down. And even when you realize the threat level, you're already behind the curve. Why should the law put the innocent in such a position? It's immoral. “Continuum of force” responses are nice in theory, but keep the defender behind the curve and in a disadvantageous position. You shouldn't have to put yourself at such risk when you're the innocent party. A person who unlawfully assails another is an OUTLAW. By their actions they have placed themselves outside the law, and that means they have placed themselves (at least momentarily) outside the law's protection as well, making of themselves targets for the use of lethal force. “Avoid confrontation.” Sound advice for everyone, particularly for concealed carriers, but no less so for those who do not have the ability to defend themselves with whatever defensive measures might be needed in any particular situation. However, “avoid confrontation” only works until the unavoidable occurs.
WELL DONE SIR! i cannot express the insight,, or life changing one would go through . i respect the time you have taken to tell others to avoid situations which could end ones life or your own,for bad judgement. like your channel for years,best of the holidays ,tref
Colton Blumhagen I agree I run into these open carry guys that act like they are so much tougher or are a super hero now cause they carry openly. I think open carry is kinda putting a target on you cause you are the first one the bad guy is going to shoot at.
***** Carrying a firearm to make a statement sounds like your out of touch with society. I don't care who you are, to me your just a douche showing a pistol off.
listened to this on my drove to work. These discussion videos are such great reminders and help keep your mind in check. Just wanted to say thanks. The owl is on the shed.
Great video Nutn, should be required viewing for everyone. I live in the Las Vegas area so "living in the yellow" is a survival skill you acquire, that is learning to ghost out of bad places or situations. Don't let adrenaline replace common sense.
TNP SHEEPDOG and proud of it. Never had to pull out a firearm but will do so to protect myself or others. Like you said in "Don't Hasten the Day" "This sucks but I'm ready for it" because I have the training and the preparations to deal with it. Some people don't know they are a Sheepdog, some of us have already passed that test! Great video Nutn!!
Thanks Nutn. Obligation of Carry and Concealed Carry Protocol were two of the first videos I watched 5 years ago when I was making the decision to get my Texas CHL. Been following you ever since.
The use of less-than-lethal force during a street crime when one has lethal force available -- as if one can evaluate a threat and pick the appropriate response from among the array of weaponry on one's person -- can only be promoted by someone unfamiliar with street fights. There is one reason and one reason only to carry deadly force on the street, and that is for self defense. BTW, two assholes engaging in a gunfight is not a street crime in which self defense plays a legitimate role. In street crimes there are perps and victims. Two assholes engaging in a gunfight is two assholes engaging in a gunfight, period. And lecturing assholes to quit being assholes is like lecturing a brick wall to quit being a brick wall. It's a useless exercise. Carrying a pistol solely for an "active shooter" scenario is like planning for one's retirement by counting on winning the lotto -- the chances are slim and none of either happening. The whole "sheepdog" meme not only has more than a little superhero fantasy to it, it is dangerous. Just ask the Marine, who thought he would interject himself and his pistol into a situation that had clearly become a matter for the police. Except that, he's not going to be able to answer you because he is dead and his children are now fatherless... ruclips.net/video/iflQNQnwEZU/видео.html
I am contemplating CCW and I really appreciate this video. The idea of taking a life gives me pause and people on the internet talk like it is an easy thing to do and it's not for me, no matter who that person is. Like you said in the video, I am not a police officer or ex-military; I am just a civilian and I am only contemplating CCW to save lives. I am glad there are other people out there who feel the same. Carrying a gun implies that one day you might have to use it, and I can't imagine I would ever enjoy doing so.
Sorry I couldn't make it to the end of the video; got to 21:53 and heard the same story three times. I think your painting with a broad brush; for every guy running his mouth on the the net there are thousands of guys doing the right thing and keeping quiet. It almost sounds like your the guy that goes out looking for an active shooter given thats the only reason you carry. Don't know much abut the FL incident, but two guys call 911, police tells car 2 not to follow car 1 home and he disobeys an order from the police. With no other info; he is the aggressor. Back to the active shooter scenario;I would hope I would do the right thing in that scenario, but if a LTC individual (you) don't carry to protect your person, your family, and your property before all other reasons... they I think that person should not carry.
I look up to you a lot Nutn... Thanks for hitting up these topics. And for all your terms and sayings you come up with I think they're recognized and used by the gun community. I know for sure I use the term "philosophy of use" maybe even on a daily basis talking about weapons and gear. Appreciate all the great content on the channel.
not trying to change the subject, but I have a friend that is a new cop and he insists on CC whenever we go to big sporting events now with/without our families. It really LOWERS OUR FUN vibe when he does that. It's makes the outting a lot more serious and in the back of all our minds, none of us can forget about his pistol under his clothes or in his backpack. It SUCKS..... Anyways, Nutnfancy you Rock!
Glad to see a video like this. You've got more and more people who think that literally ALL people who carry in public on a regular basis, have an inner burning desire to use that firearm in a combat situation that might arise in their daily life.
clocked and lock wtf is this guy gangster real person with training would say, my gun is loaded and ready to use it please get police here quickly or deadly force will be used if necessary
Good points, thanks for taking the time to regenerate the subject. The idea of a concealed carrier having a ROE (rules of engagement), and the power of providing an accurate spot report to authorities are good talking points. In reference to the Fort Hood shooting, well over a hundred "911" calls were received during that tragic event. A lot of cell phone callers were out there, but (understandably) most of the callers were incapable of providing an accurate description on what was occurring, or where things were occurring. Initially, the many callers inability to accurately report, led authorities to believe there were multiple active shooters at multiple locations. When an emergency call taker receives that "one" phone call, from a collected person who is able to report things concisely, it is such a great benefit. That stable caller empowers authorities. I conceal carry and my simplified personal ROE is this. (1) Secure loved ones "exit strategy" (2) Contain the threat "can I prevent violence?" (3) Report the incident "who?, what?, where?, how?" (4) Assist victims "provide direction and buddy aid" (5) Prevent myself from looking like the bad guy. "Identify myself as a helper". My ROE acronym is S.C.R.A.P. It's just something to keep me focused. Although I haven't been a subscriber for long, I've been a long time fan (my knife collection proves that). Thanks for what you do Nutn.
Well done and thanks for taking the time. These are the exact setiments I share and reiterate to others. Be humble and at all costs avoid confrontation. Keep the great videos like these coming.
Really enjoyed it Nut. Great things to reflect on prior to or during any stressful situation. Even if you don't carry, good judgement, conflict avoidance, and conflict deescalation are always the better options over confrontation and violence. Yes, from the facts we do know, the pursuer made a horrible decision to follow, confront, and escalate without thinking about the potential scenarios that could play out. I was nearly forced off the side of a Texas freeway onramp by some guy a few years back. I should of just been happy that nothing happened and went on with my day. Instead, I got angry and made a point of getting along side the guy and threw my hands up in a "WTF" motion to show I was pissed. The guy immediately started motioning and yelling at me to pull over with him. My first thought was that this guy is gonna try to bait me in to some sort of altercation and he may be armed and I'm not. I waited for him to pass the next exit and I got off the freeway and away from that psycho that eagerly wanted to get in to a confrontation.
First day of the police academy we were taught two things that really stuck with me over the years: "treat people the way you would like to be treated" and "be assertive, be aggressive, but if you go looking for trouble, chances are you are going to find it." Great video!
a lot of good advice in this video i really appreciated the "sheepdog" segment because it's how i am every time i go out. it really gets you thinking when asked "is there anyone watching over these innocent people?" as you panned around that chick-fil-a.. i am always practicing situational awareness - which is probably the greatest thing that i learned while serving our country.
It's always better to walk away from a gunfight than to win one.
Awesome video. I'm a CCW instructor in Florida. My main focus on the class is number 1 - safety. Number 2 is what I call conflict avoidance/ conflict resolution. If you carry, you have a duty to avoid or mitigate conflict. Apologize even if you're in the right, walk away, ignore the person, but never ever ever provoke a conflict or add fuel to the fire, even if the end result is a justified shooting. I teach what I call "The Standard." Basically never use your weapon unless the following thought enters your mind - "Oh My God I'm About to Die!" If you don't think you're about to die, don't use a weapon!
Great discussion. 100% agreed.
There have been many occasions where my wife has groaned about how slow and carefully I drive, and how much I put up with from other idiot drivers. What I see that she may not consider is when you give a rude gesture, start honking angrily, or whatever, there's no knowing what kind of unstable psycho you might be setting off. And since I'm packing, what may be just "blowing off steam" to me, could turn into a deadly confrontation. This news story is a prime example of that, IMO.
I live in Eastern Kentucky, where we (and please don't tell anyone, we try to keep this very low-key for fear of being labeled uncouth barbarians) have an open-carry and concealed carry rights. Open carry is allowed without a permit, concealed requires a permit. I worked in Emergency Medical Services for fifteen years, so I have seen just about every possible manner in which human beings can kill each other. I have been raised around firearms all my life, and I open carry every day. My firearm is just something that is as much a part of my daily attire as my boots. But just because I am perfectly comfortable carrying my firearm, I never lose sight of the fact that it is there. I am taking the long way around to make my point, but I felt that some background was in order. In the summer of 2014, I was involved in a near-collision during a severe rainstorm in which a tree limb had blown into the road. The other vehicle and I both came around the curve at the same time and both attempted to avoid the limb. We were both able to stop in time. This is where the situation went sideways. It is the norm in my area to both get out of the vehicle, make sure we are both all right, and then remove the limb, so as to make sure no one else was hurt later. However, the other driver went ballistic and rushed me. As I was standing behind the door to my vehicle, he could not see my 1911 in a drop-leg retention holster. As he got to me, he saw the weapon, and I can only assume, panicked. He grabbed my weapon and tried to rip it from my leg. Instead of kicking him to the ground and firing my weapon in self-defense (Kentucky is a Stand Your Ground State), I left it in the retention holster and used my fists to convince the individual that attacking me was inappropriate. As you have pointed out, I could have killed the man in self-defense, but what was the point? I do not carry a firearm to find a problem, I carry a weapon in case there may be one. Having seen hundreds upon of hundreds of GSW deaths, I am in no hurry to add to that number. Idiots should not allow themselves to be fooled that carrying a firearm makes them invincible nor infallible. Fire if you must, not simple because you can. Just some wisdom from a silly redneck from the sticks. Keep up the videos, you are bringing education to people that desperately need it.
Common sense is a super power now days.
^amazingly true
chuckley54494 Couldn't put it any better....
chuckley54494 Very sad because it is so true.
Isn't it interesting how the whole Florida incident could be avoided if just one of them showed a small amount of maturity or character? No one would be dead.
exactly. i had a similar incident here in wi were a guy pulled out in front of me then slammed on the brakes. he got out cam at me then went back in his car. i thought he was going for a gun. mine was next to me the whole time. what did i do?
1. locked the doors
2. slid into the center of the car
3. threw it in reverse and started to back away while watching him the whole time.
4. took down his plate and went to a safe place and called the police.
the cop was told by his GF he was so out of control she barely could talk him back into the car on the road. the officer informed her that she just saved his life. a gun is the last option when there is no other option. it for when its your life of the dirt bags. i for one will be going home to my family every night.
"It's almost like they're looking for a fight." Yuuuuuup.
These are not people interested in self-defense. They are seeking an opportunity to act out their violent fantasies.
Had the exact same experience as nutn with the cut off road rage story. I felt bad for cutting the guy off, didn't see him while changing lanes on highway. Dude followed me to stop light got out of his car with a 9 iron. I went through a 3 second decision process get out of car and engage, stay in car get windows smashed/myself smashed, or run the red light and book it out of there. I chose option 3
Well played and good decision. Nothing wrong with fleeing at all. Because you did that you still have an enjoyable life, no legal bills, no guilt for having to kill that guy, and your freedom. -nutn
Spencer Stagg had a similar situation but the guy had his hand in his pocket and the other hand banging on my glass. Throughout this whole situation i felt in the wrong but if this guy breaks into my car i would have felt compelled to you use lethal force. Instead i ran the red light and fled the situation. This guys life was saved and his family has a dad to come home to.
nutnfancy please review the Taurus pt111 g2 they have dropped the price on them and I can pick one up for $198 but I would like to find out your opinion on it I know Taurus has come along ways in the last few years so just curious how this gun would stack up
Spencer Stagg Yee. When we look to nature, we see most animals in the wild FLEE when danger presents. They live to see another day. Compare to the human foolery over getting killed because of an argument. I dont think any pedator in the wild like the hawk feels like less of hawk because he flew past an enemy.
Brandon Houston don't get it, they just had to pay $39million for a class action lawsuit due to defective handguns. Check Bersa, Kel-Tec, Smith & Wesson, and a few Rugers.
Here is my stance on gun free zones. If its not enforced by law, I carry. All they can do is ask you to leave if they see it.
100% agree. I don't see how ANY laws are made that directly contradict the Constitution, but whatever. School, bar, government building. Those are the only places I wouldn't carry.
Carrying a gun for defense is serious business. It's been awhile since we've talked about it. The Florida neighborhood shooting and some popular internet attitudes means the time is right. Another reference TNP Philosophy vid.
+nutnfancywell IAM NOT FROM USA dont own a gun thought the video would be funny like a list of stupid stuff not to do great video BTW .No offence but if someone comes to your doorstep its not the middle of nowhere so you can run to your home. generally 2 stupid people but a very good example.One angel im looking at it from you might not be Gonzales got what he wanted he got Doyle in trouble look what it cost him.had a bit of a similar situation here dont wanna bother typing still following someone to his home getting out of the car and expecting that by yelling at him you are gonna achieve some goal i have nothing further to say
+nutnfancy HINDSIGHT IS ALWAYS 20/20... So you take it upon yourself to judge? and KEEP MENTIONING your past videos TO GET THOSE VIEWS...
I used to like your videos....
NOW I will "BAILOUT" and never watch your 20/20hindsight BABBLING!!!
+LevAgency That's OK - I will take your place! I felt everything about this video was heartfelt and right. I know you don't understand the difference between hindsight and using an event for educational purposes, but I do. So I guess I will make a better subscriber than you anyway. Have a good life.
Gs Wovoka What did you learn from Examining this event for educational purposes. That if someone followed you and your family home, you'll do what? What is the tactical lesson that you LEARNED from this event? Do TELL?
reptilianresearch a good lesson dont lead idiots to your home .Guess some folks need to learn that the hard way
This is probably one of the most important topics you've ever covered. My dad told me something when I was a kid that always stuck with me. he said "Tough guys end up in one of two places: prison, or the grave. You've got nothing to prove." Excellent video. Keep doing what you do.
After a recent road rage incident perpetrated by a crazy woman I decided to install front and rear dash cams. Cheap insurance if anything happens.
myantispambox Dashcams are awesome, I'm always telling people it's worth the $50 per but no one listens. Better than he said she said come court time. -TD
nutnfancyy Any recommendations on dash cams?
Patrick Aherne The G1W-C is typically cited as the starting point for dash cams. Go through a US-based Amazon.com seller to purchase it (for warranty concerns).
myantispambox That's a good idea. After the bad guy kills you, the police will know who to go after.
+The Stoned Videogame Nerd I've noticed that in Russia, the car's windshield wipers come on immediately after an accident almost every time. I get tickled about that and laugh through to the next scene. Anybody else?
Excellent video. You win every fight you walk away from.
When you carry a gun, your obligation to be LESS confrontational begins. When someone just pisses you off, it's time to back off and do whatever you can to make the other person right. There are two lawyers, a judge and jury behind every round fired, as well the wounds suffered and psychological scars that never really heal. The media will do their damnedest to make you the bad guy, and many will put signs in their yard calling for justice for the person you injure or kill. This is something to think about before you decide to carry.
Yah, last week an African American male waved a gun at my rear escort driver. He went around me real fast got off the off ramp then slowed down real slow. He was waving something , I didn't know what was going on I couldn't understand my buddy on the radio he was screaming in the mic. I need too upload it to RUclips . I have people road rage at me everyday because I pull oversize loads. If some one shoots me a bird or something I act like I don't see them. I'm used to it. People just need to calm down, slow down, and think about others. Instead of the me me me attitude. It helps to pray too. I say a prayer going down the road. God please keep me safe and everyone around me, and give me patience with others that don't.
arridedry Best reply to anything I've read all week.
+arridedry Man, people who fuck with lorries are just dumb. I mean, every single thing any of us owns was at least at one point in a lorry, there is no way around that. Yeah, it pisses me of when I am in a hurry and get stuck behind a big truck, but I am mad because of the situation, I am not angry with the driver. Do those people think truckers just drive their empty lorries around for fun while goods spontaneously generate on the stores shelves?
+smolkafilip
Yeah, pretty much. Drove for 17 years and recently got out to pursue my dream of being a police officer. I always think of it this way..."I'm sorry that I'm slowing you down, I'm doing the best my equipment will allow me to do, but did you ever stop to think that you're not the only one that is having to go slow? I might be slowing you down til you can get around me, but I've gotta deal with what you're going through all day long. Sure it's frustrating, but I'm really not doing it on purpose. Even if I am doing it on purpose, it's for safety reasons. Would you rather slow down for me to make this curve or turn or spend the next 2 hours dealing with police after this truck rolls over?" People just don't stop to think anymore.
Brian Hunt Exactly, its like people think truckers are slowing people down for fun or what. Its just physics. If your car is high, box shaped and filled with heavy shit, its gonna go slower.
+Brian Hunt If most folks who are running late( they think because of your truck) would leave home a little earlier. Then a slow truck wouldn't be keeping them from getting to their destination on time. Just sayin!
Bad decisions, are made daily, If you carry you need to hold yourself to a higher degree of restraint, because as anyone can tell you once the shooting starts, its all bad after that. I drive a truck all day and people get pissed, at me, i'm in their way, and i get pissed too . But its not life or death. Ego is the factor that is causing the problems. And those who shouldn't carry seem be the one's who do, just like drinking and driving. in my truck i carry a hammer, i leave my gun in my personal vehicle.
I usually don't comment on videos. Correction: I never comment on videos on youtube, BUT in this case I feel like I have to.
I think this video should be shown in all concealed carry classes around U.S., and the reason is: You just described (what in my opinion is) the fundamental rule of carrying a gun. Every concealed weapon carrier person should HOPE they never have to use their gun. I really liked your thought process and the way you explained it in this video. Thumbs up, Sir!!!
I agree with you. I pray I never have to draw my firearm...but I don't ever want to be in the position were I need to and all I have is a few quarters and pocket lint...
most of the people that say they have no problem taking a life are the ones that have never done it
"Bear in mind, because so many don't, the awesome power that you possess as an armed citizen in this society. You possess a power that does not exist in this country within the highest arms of the judiciary, within the highest arms of the practice of medicine, or of the church. You possess the power, upon your own summary command and judgement without review, to take the life of another human being."
--Massad Ayoob
stopthemadness99 Thanks nutnfancy. Good as always. I carry in Arizona and recommend anybody who is thinking of this tremendous responsibility or already has made the choice to please read the Concealed Carry Gun Digest book by incredible author and instructor...Massad Ayoob.
I took my LTC class this past Saturday - waiting on the license. I'm doing the whole "firearms thing" as an older man. Frankly, I was too much of a knuckle head for it when I was younger. I just watched this video and consider it invaluable study material. Our class didn't hit on anything like it. Frankly, the LTC class seemed like a formality - 5 hours to fulfill the "5 hour" requirement. The proficiency part wasn't even graded. I saw what kind of shooting many of my "classmates" were doing. Shots all over the targets at 3 yards. The guy next to me actually hit MY target (at 7 yards). Everyone passed. This has been on my mind all week. Very, VERY sobering. Anyway, this video made me a fan. Thanks!
i never really liked hearing this guy talk...but i watched this whole video becuz he is right 100%
don john Sometimes I cant stand nutnfancy talking, but I agree, is usually correct.
don john I like hearing him talk actually. Does that make me strange?
bigchunk1 Nah, doesn't bother me. Just have to have a few extra minutes to watch his videos.
Having my pistol license has been a good exercise in keeping my cool. I always remind myself that it's not worth getting mad, just let the other person be right, and go about your day free of holes or bruises. I loose my temper much less these days for the very reason that if I get mad I'm a threat and I'm there to deal with the threat not to be the threat.
I may carry a firearm daily but at the end of the day, if I was ever to be caught up in an active shooter situation, I'm running as far from the gun shots as I can. I'm not a cop, I'm not going to hunt this person down and risk my life and my family in the process. If the shooter was in my sights, that's a bit of a different story. I'm not chasing someone down, I'm not running toward the gun fire. The point of have a CWP is to end a potential threat to your life, not purposely put your life on the line for a potential threat.
solesearched Which is the right thing to do in a active shooter event. Create distance if that can be done, restrict access for the shooter and then defend. If one pop's off in front of you, find cover and engage the threat.
+solesearched That is your purpose, but some of us have others. To each their own. I'm a Marine Corps infantry machine gunner who saw 14 months of combat in Ramadi from '05-'07. I run willingly into danger if people are in trouble. I'm not going to try to talk you out of anything, but what if it was your parents, spouse, children or friends in the shooter's sights? Wouldn't you want someone to save them? I can't live knowing I did nothing to save another life when it was within my power to do so. And, for the record, falsely asserting your own interpretation of the purpose for having a CWP as the only moral purpose sounds like a chickenshit attempt to shame people who would get involved simply because you don't want to admit your own lack of courage. Again, you don't have to get involved and I'm not saying everyone who does not have the courage (not lack of fear, but courage) is a bad person, but don't try to protect your ego by asserting that people who would protect others at risk to their own life are somehow misappropriating the use of their permit. Keep training, stay alert, and good luck to you.
+vertigo0331 beautifully said
+vertigo0331 Semper Fi Brother. Some of us were built to protect. Others were built to run. Hero's are made not born. The real test comes when we face the fires that burn around us daily. Those who protect out of instinct are the same people who join the armed forces and serve our fellow man. Thank you for your service Brother!!!
When I was a Police Officer, I was part of a Team of other Patrol Officers. We trained together and worked together daily in all kinds of weather. We wore the same uniforms, bullet resistance vests and carried the same radios. We backed each other up and we trusted each other with our lives and safety. When we were in dangerous situations, we found we could communicate with hand signals and radio mic clicks. We didn't have to talk. Now, I am a private citizen and no longer work in law enforcement. I carry concealed with a concealed carry permit. Should I ever find myself in the vicinity of an active shooter, I will move myself and family to a safer location and use my cellphone to call the Police with as many details as I can give them. I will only use my weapon to stop a lethal attack against me or my family. I am not part of the Team anymore and I will no longer run to the sound of gunfire. I will run away from the gunfire if safe to do so.
I had a situation happen to me where a guy was "merging onto the highway" and it was my fault that he couldn't get over apparently, I didn't even see the guy but I sped up to give him room. At the exit, he was saying that it was my fault and all that and I said sorry, I didn't see you and he wanted me to pull over to the gas station and talk with him about it. Big red flag there and I said, "Sorry, sir, I have somewhere to be." Follows me around for a couple miles until I pull into the State Highway Patrol headquarters. He drove off then. Pretty scary, but glad nothing came of it.
I see open carriers here in Vegas all the time. They love the looks and stares they get when they walk around with their guns.
Ironically....they give out ccw permits like candy here so there is no reason to open carry. I have never heard of a single off duty cop choosing to open carry.
At the end of everyday as I take off my firearm I say a silent "Thank You" to God that I was not put into a situation to have to use it... In all circumstances it should be and is THE LAST option.
Today, I say "Thank You" to God again and to you... To God for giving you the Wisdom to say what you did here and to you for taking the time to say what needed to be said.
I will pass the link to this video to my son and my CC friends. It will garner a good discussion needing to take place.
Great Job! I am now a new subscriber.
I've been a police officer for 13 years and I do carry off duty. I'll be perfectly happy, in fact I pray that I never have to use it. I've had it out and have had a few close calls. That's enough for me.
Thanks for this video, nutnfancy. It's such an important topic for us who decide to carry legally. As a MAG40 grad, I cannot stress enough the burden of responsibility of using common sense and training when carrying. Be safe and use your noggin.
As a combat veteran of many different countries, I can simply say this. I carry everyday. I change out my duty rounds every 30 days. I clean and lube my weapon every 30 days. If I never, ever hear a shot fired in anger again it will be too soon. I carry a fire extinguisher in my truck, along with a good set of tool, the usual winter gear when needed and various other things that come in handy in emergency's. I look at my sidearm as another tool. I've been carrying a firearm for 20 years in the military and about 12 years as a civilian. I have only had to draw my carry pistol once and that was on a mean dog in a park where my kids were at. I ended up smacking him on the head with a stick. Looking back it was pretty funny. I'm fully trained, in fact I'm over trained, to defend myself or my loved ones. I would if pushed to that extent. I would much rather just walk away than have to fight. Recently a good friend of mine was involved in a good shoot. His mother up brother in law was holdinga gun to his wife's head. He of course shot the guy. It ruined him. Financially, emotionly, he ended up divorcing his wife who he had saved. He lost his job because of all the court appearances. He lost custody of his kids in the divorce because of his mental state. That has changed since, but still.was his shot justified? Sure! The guy had a gun to his wife's head. Should he have had some sort of NRA insurance, yep. He did not plan for what comes after the shot. That was his major fault. By the way he is a 22 year combat veteran. He now lives in a run down camper on his mom and dads farm. He can't even get a job at Walmart because everybody knows what happened. He did the right thing but it cost him his life.
I love the advice in this video. Concealed carry has MADE me non confrontational for all the reasons you mentioned. The last thing I want to happen is needing to draw and fire. The responsibility weighs heavily on me, but the awareness of my surroundings has been switched to high definition, and in our current world that has become so very important. Thank you.
most states have laws saying you can defend yourself to prevent death or great bodily harm,, till you actually do it then the state prosecutes you-it makes no sense?
This is by far one of the best philosophy videos on firearms I have ever seen!! Further proof nutnfancy is a classy human being. Semper fi
Drive to the nearest police station. Don't drive home. Call the police station, explain situation.
It's good to see a pillar of the gun community inspiring good judgment, this video probably saved lives.
Thanks for outlining this bad deal. Everyone who has ever been in a shooting says they suffer worse than the person they shot.....I don't want that. If there is any other solution other than drawing my weapon....I will take it.
This is spot on! It definitely brings the right attitude, sense of gravity, mentality, and mindset to the table. I believe this whole heartedly and its these concepts and ideals that have influence my conduct as a person everyday for as long as I can remember. Its driven by wisdom and experience.
CC class story. Guy in Pizza hut is there with girlfriend. During dinner, the guy looks at a guy in a table near over the shoulder of his girlfriend. Their eyes lock for a second. Guy turns head. A minute later, guy accidently make eye contact again. The other guy yells at him, "what is your problem, you want some of me". The whole restraunt is watching them both. The guy said, "sir whatever I did to affend you I am sorry." Now everyone in the restraunt is looking at the other guy. Situation over. No fight. No shots fired.
Great story, thanks for posting it. I could not agree more. Defuse, don't be afraid to say you're wrong...therein lies real manhood. -nutn
Same happened to me told the guy he was handsome now we are best friends
***** Yea, definitely worth risking another drive by and having your kids shot because you don't want to worry about finding a job. Plus I think he was factoring in "job searching" into the affordability of moving. Take it easy with the word "retarded".
Best commentary on the responsibility of exercising our right to bear arms to defend our loved ones I've heard in a long time. We have a tremendous responsibility when we decide to carry a weapon and we better be prepared, both emotionally, legally and physically to exercise that right. Thank you.
Enjoyed the vid and I carry ccw all the time it is legal for me to do so. Key point I took away from Nutn's vid is that when carrying, exercise good judgement and thought. My comment exactly to people who have issue w/ ccw: if I can flee then I'm gone. No fight, no blame. But I do not choose to be a victim if I can't flee. If others choose to not carry then that is there business. Keep up the awesome work! P.S. I loved the Mauser vid!!!
Erich Telfer Hell yeah, man. Ain't no paperwork in running. -Doodle
Videos like this are why I support the project and consider myself a "tnp'er". As your public outreach increases so too does the wisdom of these philosophies, the mutual respect between the non-carrier and the carrier, approving of stand your ground laws while also encouraging escape if possible, the burden and responsibilities of not only carrying but also taking life and, a huge one for me, the use of force continuum. I couldn't agree more or share this video enough. If even half of this was "common sense"... Man, what a country we'd live in.
I had a few good points to make in a comment, but you really covered everything. Good job. First big point for me would be to be polite, The second was, don't bring it to your house. It's my home town, I know where the police station is and I do not want to brandish in front of the police. At the police station, I could sit in the car and wait for an officer, if the nut following me doesn't have a weapon. I'm a truck driver, so I get cut off all the time. The world won't change if I get angry and show my ass. So, keep calm and carry on.
Great message Nutn and thank you to you and the crew for all the quality videos and information.
Nutn, as a Law Enforcement Officer of over 20 years I have run into many people like you describe in this video. The "hoping to engage" mentality is foolishness in the extreme. Even if their actions are legally justifiable it is almost a dead certainty that they will be met with civil action from a family member of the deceased, not to mention living with the incident in their head the rest of their life. Your video is very sound advice, live in condition yellow, walk softly, speak quietly, but be prepared to "visit violence on those who would us harm" when they choose to endanger life.
Thank you dude, I'm glad to see someone else has some common sense when it comes to carrying a firearm. You've restored my faith in humanity a bit more. I know I truly hope I never have to fire my weapon in a self defense situation & God forbid I ever have to take a life but like any "normal" human being that carries I will if I absolutely positively have to.
This changes my opinion of you,your well grounded
***** Were you of the opinion that he wasn't well grounded before?
ParkerFriedChicken Probably misjudgment. People think guys that are into the stuff nutn is into are crazy. But, everyone can learn better, and its good he admitted fault.
It seems like a well-meaning thing to say, although there was no admission of fault, which is not necessarily bad.
None of this necessarily has anything to do with Tactical: I've seen quite a few people have dismissive or condescending attitudes toward Nutn. A guy at my local knife store, good guy and knows his stuff, said that Nutnfancy knows his stuff about guns and not so much with knives, but I doubt he's watched even one whole video. Anyone who watches his reviews knows he has a very subjective approach as a backpacker. What is there to not know about how you feel and find preferable for your use with knives?
***** I actually think he is a pretty sensible prepper.
Tac, bro the way i see it as the good guys have to stick together! Even if we have different opnions on stuff or dont like a person for some certin reason. When it comes down to it, all the good guys need to stick together. If we dont then honestly we fucked. Specially if wrol!!
Man, the last 2 - 3 minutes is about the most important message for so many folks that may fascinate about how it would go down. The fan fare would be zilch compared to the pain from taking the life of another. Thanks Nutn
Can I just say how much I love that gun owners are getting smart. This kind of video 5 years ago would've had more dislikes than likes, and everyone in the comments would be boasting about their authority to end other people's lives because of the constitution. Those people made me want the strictest gun laws in the world. This new wave of results-based education is so much more comforting. Shooting someone should be an unfortunate, last ditch effort to save your life. Very very very few confrontations and crimes are that situation.
Florida is 'ruined' beyond hope . How do I know this ? I have lived here for over 50 years . Thankfully in the northern part of the state now . But still even north Florida is now ruined . There are way too many people in this state . If I could afford to leave I would .
Don't feel bad. California's a wreck too. Not sure if there is any were left.
there are better places to live just got do your homework, but I can promise you California sucks a lot and I leaving to in matter of time in another maybe five or ten years California is done its already to over populated and the water will run out fxxxxck California
You know it's not always a certainty if you're ever ready. I know that since I graduated high school I've thought I was ready and I remember one day on my college campus I was sitting around bored for an hour waiting for a class and I saw a guy down a 50 foot hall or so setting up an easel, but to me I saw a glint of wood and I honestly thought it was the hand guard of an AK. I was half way to the parking lot before it hit me that I wasn't hearing shooting but if I had had a gun that day I may have caused a scene that would have been on the 6pm news if not put an innocent man in the morgue.
The one thing it taught me is when you honestly think someone is going to try and kill you and has the gear to do it your mind changes ludicrously fast and what you think of doing isn't what you think you're going to do.
I remember one day in high school business class we weren't doing anything so I fell asleep for a little bit. I was then startled awake by the sound of a magazine being inserted into a pistol and the slide being released
Thank god nobody actually had a gun. It was just my friend messing with a stapler. The magazine sound was him closing the slider to add staples and the releasing of the slide was him folding it back to use it.
Joshua Angular
Lol wut?
its ok joshua were not judging you ....we can all see your the one who was...
Very good video, I was conceal carrying for a while and had a confrontation with teenagers in a movie theater. I was threatened with lethal force, but I didn't escalate the situation, walked away and lived to tell you about it. I realized that having the responsibility to make a life or death decision wasn't for me, I stopped carrying everyday.
So if I read the facts correctly....
Doyle does not get involved when there is a road incident and instead continues on his way. Gonzales follows Doyle home and then gets out of his vehicle and becomes the aggressor on Doyle's own home property. Doyle has no were else to retreat to since he is already at his home with his family. The aggressor (Gonzales) also now knows where he lives. Gonzales is shot in the ensuing confrontation.
Does that about sum it up? Doesn't seem like a bad shoot to me. Doyle's call to 911 indicated he was being followed by an aggressor. Gonzales call into 911 admits he was following Doyle home to confront him. Had Gonzales continued on his way instead of trying to play sheriff he would be alive.
Grey Wolf Armory That's what I interpret those facts to be. The deceased was totally stupid to follow ANYONE while hauling around his wife and child. And then present himself in what I would perceive as a threatening manner. In my home state, PA, I do NOT have the option to have any form of baton. Only some of the weakest pepper spray is available to non-police here too. So escalation of force options are severely lacking in PA ;(
Martin Wright It does sound like his actions were good but knowing how to communicate with the authorities should be part of carrying. They failed that part, and it's possible it will get him jacked up. If he would have calmly said that he was being followed home by an aggressive individual he was a legal CCW holder and was armed and told the dispatcher what he was wearing it would look much better for him.
Grey Wolf Armory it's still wrong, if a guy is following you and you have the means to still escape why wouldn't you? He didn't have to head straight home, a slight detour over to a police station, heaven knows there are tons of those around, and the situation would have been different. I know I would never head home with someone following me. Yes I have the means to protect myself but I wouldn't put my family in harms way due to my pride. He told 911 his gun was cocked and locked; once again indicating he was going to use it. A simpler statement of hey I'm a ccw permit holder and am carrying today would be sufficient to get the point across without the intent of wanting to use it. I 100% agree with stand your ground laws but only if it's unavoidable. I'm not running away while some one shoots up the proverbial chick-fil-a harming innocent children but I'm sure not going to give someone the easy opportunity to find out where I live either.
John Doe For the most parts my thoughts as well. I can see this going down as being legally in the right but still morally and tactically in the wrong.
Grey Wolf Armory There is a difference between drawing with a warning to back off and shooting someone. There are levels just like Nutnfancy said. Drawing the weapon can diffuse the aggression, but if he didn't allow that to occur, he skipped steps. The point isn't when can I fire my weapon. It is when do I have no other reasonable choice but to fire it. We don't have all of the details, but absent a report that Gonzales was approaching despite seeing the gun and getting a warning, it was an unnecessary shoot. If you are behind cover and you warn them to back away with a visible gun, I have a hard time believing that an average road rager would keep coming.
I want to thank you for the grounded common sense approach you've presented in this video. I hope lot of people watch this and realize consequence of action without proper forethought can be detrimental. I've found in most situations, the event can be defused without altercation and most peoples immediate reactions can be lowered with a simple apology. Good video.
had a guy following me like that. Drove right to the Farmington police station, Guy bolted.
I have seen few of your videos but have never subscribed ... until now. I give you mad respect for revisiting this topic. My father just recently got 2 guns (G17 gen4 and the Springfield XD SubCompact.) He didn't hide it from us but instead trained us to respect the fear and understand both the tool, the mentality and the pyschological aspects of firing a gun even if it's only firing at shooting range paper
Dude. Chick-fil-A is some good shit.
+Ivan Denisovich Shukhov On another note, I really don't understand why people get so pissed about shit that happens while driving. A couple weeks ago, I was late for an exam and was driving pretty fast. I failed to yield in a merging lane at an intersection and love-tapped the car in front of me that had yielded to a car crossing the intersection. There was no damage to either vehicle. We shook hands and went our separate ways, no hot-headedness whatsoever.
***** Tapping your bumper at
***** Shit happens, bruh.
This is why I love this channel, and hope it keeps growing. At :22 "This is at the heart of what I am about..." and that look in Nutn's eyes. Passionate about defending himself, his family, and others around him. Part of what has influenced me to obtain my permit and now currently saving up for either a G26 or G19 depending on if I can conceal a 19 comfortably or not.
Keep up the good work on informing people of options/systems and ideology.
Every person who carries should pray to God daily that they would never have to draw a gun on anyone. We should be willing without question but have a VERY strong desire to not have to. ONLY " Good", guys/gals absolutely do not want to have to use their gun for real. If someone "wants" to use their gun, they need to look inward and realize they are not a "Good" guy/gal.
Thank you Nutnfancy for posting this video. I think talking about the seriousness and responsibility of carrying a weapon for self defense needs to be addressed more often. Everything you touched on in this video is spot on and i agree with you on the two fellas in that FL shooting. They were both in the wrong and things got way out of control and emotions took over common sense. Sadly it ended badly for both family's. It's not easy being a sheepdog but someone has to do it. I've carried for over 15 years here in Anchorage, Ak and not once have i ever had to pull a gun on someone and would never want to when other options could be exercised. Pulling out a gun is always the LAST OPTION to consider. I love the videos, the review about the Sig P227 was great btw. I just picked up a P227 a few weeks back and am loving it with the TLR 4 hanging from the rails in my nightstand.
I really do not understand these road rage issues. I have been cut off plenty of times before. I get cut off, say "That ass!" and then 10 seconds later I forget about it. What is with all this anger just because some jerk cut you off?
Jesse Sisolack No kidding. Don't people have to get somewhere? I just want to get where I need to go without incidence so you can cut me off all you want and I won't care.
Jesse Sisolack That's becuase like most of us you're a normal rational person usually muttering or shouting some rude words helps vent the entire situation and you then forget it.
Thankyou for posting this video. I recently just applied for my CPL and i have to admit that after watching this video i question if im really ready for it. To be honest I think i need to change some ways of thinking before i start carrying, thanks to you. Your opinion is one i highly value, whenever i have a question about a weapon im thinking of purchasing i always look to see what you say about it. But also your vids like this that make me think, are another reason i value your opinion. Thanks for being real.
one of your best video in years
Just wanted to take a minute and tell you how much I enjoy all of your videos. See eye to eye with you on everything in this video, and wish everyone would watch this video...then seriously think about all of the points you bring up. Keep up the good work :)
Taking someone's life, under any circumstances, is a burden you carry for your entire life - whether he was a bad guy or not. I do not ever recall someone saying "WOW I really enjoyed killing that guy"
I am a ccw holder and part time instructor and range officer .
I am also a part time bail inforcment officer .
I see stupid crap all the time.
You and I agree on this very much.
I think this one of the best videos you have ever put out.
Thank you.
As the news story goes. i count that up to (ill be blunt here) to idiots meeting in the course of being idiots its tragic but it happens comes down to the person. as when it comes to me and my pistol im thankful that at the end of the day that i haven't had to touch it.
LoganDeCari lol now commenting after the video is over i have to say i agree with all the points.
I agree. I had this simular thing happen to me. I was driving slow, on a side road, posted 25 mph, looking at Christmas lights, in my neighbor hood. My family was with me. A truck doing about 50 mph drove up n me . Etc....Did I say we were looking at Christmas lights. I had my gun with me, ready to go. It stayed in its place. I drove to the police station and made a report. He broke off, when he realized where I was going. The cops knew exactly who he was. The neighbors and Police had multiple problems with him.
This Marine has a temper, but I have also have a strong mind and a stronger love for my family and JESUS.Christ.
Darwin was in the back seat of Gonzalez's car whispering "síguelo casa."
Just saw your vid. Seriously glad I did. You have a new fan. It is refreshing to see someone talking common sense and trying to relate the seriousness of our decisions and actions. Once that bullet is fired you cannot bring it back and once you take a life you cannot bring it back either. It is a shame that common sense isn't so common anymore. Thanks again I really enjoyed the video.
Both wrong but Gonzalez endangered his wife and kid.
molon labe Yep. Like Trayvon jumping on Zimmerman, Gonzalez made a bad decision to escalate, and paid the price. He had no business getting out of his truck and confronting the other party, especially since he was not harmed and had already called the police.
Sparky Marshall 20 million people in Florida. Over a million of them have CCW licenses. Be careful who you fuck with!
molon labe even in a non gun place people should do that... I never understood anyone getting in a fight with a total stranger that they prob never have to see again in their whole life.
T Penny Oh that's an easy one: Plenty of geniuses, like Robert Greene, have written extensively in regards to introspective power.
***** introspective power?
A tragic scenario, and one one of the best presentations I have seen. BTW, the fellow in the wheelchair was my son-in-law, and the reasoning/necessity for carrying has been one to which I have given long and serious thought. I have been lurking here for quite a while,and figured it is about time I subscribed.
If your car is physically able to move, drive away. If you've got to hit a mailbox, do so. If you've got to drive on the curb, do so. James Yeager has a good series of videos about what to do if you're in a car and something starts to happen.
David Burke I had an "interesting" situation. I ran a red light at a terrible intersection, at that point, I could have cared less about hitting another vehicle. My pursuer didn't follow and I drove like a wacko to the police station about 1000 yds away.
David Burke Anti- terrorism technique the military teaches:Never pull up tight to the rear bumper of the car in front of you at a light .Always leave enough room for a "just drive away" escape.
I practice this. Always good to have some breathing room to move. If even for other reasons.
Thats awesome 46ace
Yeah, there's tons of "non tactical" reasons to leave some distance between you and the can in front of you; if for nothing more than not hitting the car in front of you if someone smashes into the back of your car. (Yes, you wouldn't be at fault for the accident, but you still lose)
You are a ver wise person. Im just 27 years old but already had a break-in situation in my house when I stood face-to-face with a robber. I was armed. The experience was eye-opening and compleately changed the way I looked at the responsibility of carrying a gun as well as what the law regulations are. Just now I can say that I did not realize all that before. I still carry but understand my mistakes.
I respect you a lot for sharing this wisdome.
I like your reviews, but I subscribe because you knock these philosophy vids out of the park. When you wear a weapon, you MUST leave any ego or chip on the shoulder at the door. In fact, I prefer to be overly polite when in public. 1. I prefer to be polite anyway. 2. If something happens in a place you frequent, then people will tend to take your side if police start interviewing witnesses. I hope to never pull my weapon in an emergency, just as I did not take CPR hoping to use it someday. But if left with no other choice, I will pull my weapon to save lives. I had one occasion on my honeymoon in Canada, (no right to carry). I waited at an intersection for a homeless man to cross the street, instead, he snapped, and started F-bombing us, then he ran to the car and began pulling on the door handle on my wife's side. I jerked the wheel to the right and smoked the tires on the mustang! We both lived to tell the story and though I may have run over the bad guy's feet, he also survived the confrontation. Life is good!
I've been carrying for 6 months. I have made watching this video once per week a habit. I had most of the points in mind before I started carrying, and now I think it is an excellent way to reinforce the important points you make, so I can keep them in the front of my mind and never get complacent about the responsibilities involved. The attorney general in my state would absolutely love to bring murder charges against a concealed carry permit holder like Doyle (we have a 'duty to retreat' law here). It's important that we all adopt a swallow your pride mindset to mitigate the biases and inaccurate representations that are made of most responsible gun owners and concealed carriers, and to act with sound judgment in order to further ensure that our rights are not taken. Thanks a bunch for this video.
As an Australian, Concealed Carry is so illegal that this discussion is mostly irrelevent to me.
If we did have the ability to carry, the thing that would make me hesitate is a situation where I, for example, took down an active shooter. Next minute a cop, or ANOTHER CCW holder, puts a bullet in my chest, because in the heat of the moment, anyone with a gun is a target.
Hell, imagine if you one day killed someone who was actually a good guy trying to do exactly the same thing as you.
As i said I'm aussie so don't have much of a clue about CCW, but I'm curious as to whether or not there are many recorded incidents of this happening.
Hey dude, I'm a 19 year old Lance in the USMC. I started watching a few weeks ago because of my older brother, he recommended your videos to me and I liked them, but this one really got me hooked. I was really looking forward to buying and concealing once I turn 21 because I'm 19 and stupid and didn't really think about the points you brought up in this video. Just wanted to let the project know that you got into my head and grounded me a little bit. So thank you and keep up the awesome videos!
Welcome to TNP, Eddie. Best wishes to you for serving our country in the USMC.
Doyle’s announcement of his preparedness to fight sounds like he was entering Jeff Cooper's “condition orange” - a suspicious or potentially threatening subject has been identified and preparedness (physical - the gun - and mental - preparation for a confrontation) for meeting the threat (should it materialize) takes place. (As Cooper himself put it, a condition in which you realize, “I might have to shoot THAT person.”) Probably not smart to state it out loud to the 911 operator (because of bad optics), but certainly a legitimate step in the string of mental and physical preparations that precede a possible use of lethal force, as taught by one of the experts. If Doyle has a smart attorney, he'll bring this up in his defense, if necessary.
Doyle's attitude towards being armed didn't make Gonzalez follow him to his home and get out of his vehicle. Who was the dickhead? Maybe there were two, and one of them brought a bad attitude, and nothing else, to a gun fight? (I see you got around to this idea of "two clowns.") But if Doyle can't defend himself on his own property with his back to his own home, where can he do so? (Gonzalez, by showing such aggression himself, made of himself a potential long-range threat of the “I know where you live” type. This may have passed through Doyle’s mind, “If I don’t kill this guy now, he will remain a threat to me and my family because he knows where we live.” If I were a juror, I’d certainly entertain that justification.)
BTW, Wikipedia gives an incorrect definition of SYG. SYG laws do not give a person the right to use lethal force rather than retreat. SYG laws prevent the state from prosecuting for failure to retreat. The difference is subtle, but SYG laws began to appear in response to laws in other States that mandated retreat when possible. SYG laws are the States' way of affirming the right to defend oneself wherever one may lawfully be with no duty to first consider retreat, a right that always existed and that "duty to retreat" laws tread upon. (It is a thoroughly craven idea that a person must retreat in the face of an unlawful assault, and as thoroughly immoral for a State to impose such a consideration upon its citizens at moments when they have the least time for any thought other than their own defense. It also puts the citizen in the position of justifying actions that were imposed upon him by a criminal. If something illegal results, shouldn’t the criminal be held responsible?) SYG is not an affirmative defense raised at trial by shooters. In States with SYG laws, the only thing that matters is whether or not the use of lethal force was justified. If it was, then whether the shooter was "standing his ground" or had an opportunity to retreat are both irrelevant, because the prosecution can't prosecute for failure to retreat. (The interesting thing about this, when you stop and consider it, is that every person who blames SYG for Trayvon Martin's death is actually admitting George Zimmerman acted in lawful self-defense, because SYG only applies to lawful shootings - but not in the way Martin's apologists believed.) BTW, Gonzalez could not possibly have invoked SYG to excuse his following of Doyle - I'll say it again - the only purpose of SYG is to prevent the prosecution of users of lethal force for failure to retreat. It does not allow you to create a confrontation in the first place; it merely allows you to defend yourself when trouble comes to you without fear of being prosecuted for failure to retreat. (So misunderstood is SYG that I cannot state that too often. Wrap your heads around that - "standing your ground" does not contribute to a claim of self-defense.)
I too carry for active shooter situations. I don't consider myself aggressive enough to defend myself in a situation that requires immediate response. (Who knows, it might happen, I just don't carry relying on such capability.) But given two seconds, I can do what's necessary. (In fact I have put myself at risk in order to assist others. So I know I can do it.)
Re: Shooting in defense of others is perfectly justifiable under the law. Police can do it because citizens can do it. No one can grant authority he doesn't possess himself and we (as a society) have authorized the police to kill in defense of others. Therefore we must have the same authority to act in defense of fellow citizens and the community. This is what Sir Robert Peel referred to in his 1829 "Principles of Law Enforcement" as "the historic tradition that the police are the public and the public are the police; the police are only members of the public who are paid to give full-time attention to duties which are incumbent on every citizen in the intent of the community welfare." Morally, you have a duty to defend the innocent if you are capable. You do not, however, have a moral duty to sacrifice yourself in defense of others, and you may have a moral duty to not respond in order to preserve yourself if you have an over-arching moral duty to others to remain alive (family, especially dependents).
Personally, if sitting on a jury, I would never vote to convict anyone who used lethal force against any attacker in an otherwise lawful, actual self-defense situation. Self-defense is not a game. Although the law says you can't use lethal force unless threatened with lethal force, I believe one should be able to presume all unlawful assailants present a threat of lethal force, armed or not. We've all seen the videos of one-hit KOs on the street. Once that happens to you, you could be dead meat. An innocent person shouldn't have to wait until the realization that he's the object of a lethal-force attack. First, by the time that realization dawns, it may be too late. Second, that realization may not happen - one moment you're on your feet, the next you're down. And even when you realize the threat level, you're already behind the curve. Why should the law put the innocent in such a position? It's immoral. “Continuum of force” responses are nice in theory, but keep the defender behind the curve and in a disadvantageous position. You shouldn't have to put yourself at such risk when you're the innocent party. A person who unlawfully assails another is an OUTLAW. By their actions they have placed themselves outside the law, and that means they have placed themselves (at least momentarily) outside the law's protection as well, making of themselves targets for the use of lethal force.
“Avoid confrontation.” Sound advice for everyone, particularly for concealed carriers, but no less so for those who do not have the ability to defend themselves with whatever defensive measures might be needed in any particular situation. However, “avoid confrontation” only works until the unavoidable occurs.
WELL DONE SIR! i cannot express the insight,, or life changing one would go through . i respect the time you have taken to tell others to avoid situations which could end ones life or your own,for bad judgement. like your channel for years,best of the holidays ,tref
The perks of being a twitter follower. Quick to see when there is a new vid.
"Don't let your pride make your decisions for you". Truest words I ever herd brotha!
I hate it when people carry just to "Show-off".... FFS if you are not going to carry for the right reasons.... don't....
Sup3r6f0ur Same can be said about open carry.
Colton Blumhagen I agree I run into these open carry guys that act like they are so much tougher or are a super hero now cause they carry openly. I think open carry is kinda putting a target on you cause you are the first one the bad guy is going to shoot at.
I agree, I do open carry with my 45 1911
***** Carrying a firearm to make a statement sounds like your out of touch with society. I don't care who you are, to me your just a douche showing a pistol off.
***** He didn't say he carries to make the statement, just that the act makes the statement regardless.
listened to this on my drove to work. These discussion videos are such great reminders and help keep your mind in check. Just wanted to say thanks.
The owl is on the shed.
It isn't my job to protect others. Unless paid. They're not going to cover my medical or legal bills.
Great video Nutn, should be required viewing for everyone. I live in the Las Vegas area so "living in the yellow" is a survival skill you acquire, that is learning to ghost out of bad places or situations. Don't let adrenaline replace common sense.
You have a great voice
TNP SHEEPDOG and proud of it. Never had to pull out a firearm but will do so to protect myself or others. Like you said in "Don't Hasten the Day" "This sucks but I'm ready for it" because I have the training and the preparations to deal with it. Some people don't know they are a Sheepdog, some of us have already passed that test!
Great video Nutn!!
When someone goes to take ccdw they should just play your philosophy videos.
nobryan0704 very much agreed
LoganDeCari I don't know. Illinois requires 16 hours of class but that may not be enough time. :)
+JayXX - So like 2 of his video?
Thanks Nutn. Obligation of Carry and Concealed Carry Protocol were two of the first videos I watched 5 years ago when I was making the decision to get my Texas CHL. Been following you ever since.
The use of less-than-lethal force during a street crime when one has lethal force available -- as if one can evaluate a threat and pick the appropriate response from among the array of weaponry on one's person -- can only be promoted by someone unfamiliar with street fights. There is one reason and one reason only to carry deadly force on the street, and that is for self defense. BTW, two assholes engaging in a gunfight is not a street crime in which self defense plays a legitimate role. In street crimes there are perps and victims. Two assholes engaging in a gunfight is two assholes engaging in a gunfight, period. And lecturing assholes to quit being assholes is like lecturing a brick wall to quit being a brick wall. It's a useless exercise. Carrying a pistol solely for an "active shooter" scenario is like planning for one's retirement by counting on winning the lotto -- the chances are slim and none of either happening. The whole "sheepdog" meme not only has more than a little superhero fantasy to it, it is dangerous. Just ask the Marine, who thought he would interject himself and his pistol into a situation that had clearly become a matter for the police. Except that, he's not going to be able to answer you because he is dead and his children are now fatherless... ruclips.net/video/iflQNQnwEZU/видео.html
I am contemplating CCW and I really appreciate this video. The idea of taking a life gives me pause and people on the internet talk like it is an easy thing to do and it's not for me, no matter who that person is. Like you said in the video, I am not a police officer or ex-military; I am just a civilian and I am only contemplating CCW to save lives. I am glad there are other people out there who feel the same. Carrying a gun implies that one day you might have to use it, and I can't imagine I would ever enjoy doing so.
Sorry I couldn't make it to the end of the video; got to 21:53 and heard the same story three times. I think your painting with a broad brush; for every guy running his mouth on the the net there are thousands of guys doing the right thing and keeping quiet. It almost sounds like your the guy that goes out looking for an active shooter given thats the only reason you carry. Don't know much abut the FL incident, but two guys call 911, police tells car 2 not to follow car 1 home and he disobeys an order from the police. With no other info; he is the aggressor. Back to the active shooter scenario;I would hope I would do the right thing in that scenario, but if a LTC individual (you) don't carry to protect your person, your family, and your property before all other reasons... they I think that person should not carry.
I look up to you a lot Nutn...
Thanks for hitting up these topics. And for all your terms and sayings you come up with I think they're recognized and used by the gun community. I know for sure I use the term "philosophy of use" maybe even on a daily basis talking about weapons and gear. Appreciate all the great content on the channel.
not trying to change the subject, but I have a friend that is a new cop and he insists on CC whenever we go to big sporting events now with/without our families. It really LOWERS OUR FUN vibe when he does that. It's makes the outting a lot more serious and in the back of all our minds, none of us can forget about his pistol under his clothes or in his backpack. It SUCKS..... Anyways, Nutnfancy you Rock!
Glad to see a video like this. You've got more and more people who think that literally ALL people who carry in public on a regular basis, have an inner burning desire to use that firearm in a combat situation that might arise in their daily life.
clocked and lock wtf is this guy gangster real person with training would say, my gun is loaded and ready to use it please get police here quickly or deadly force will be used if necessary
Good points, thanks for taking the time to regenerate the subject. The idea of a concealed carrier having a ROE (rules of engagement), and the power of providing an accurate spot report to authorities are good talking points. In reference to the Fort Hood shooting, well over a hundred "911" calls were received during that tragic event. A lot of cell phone callers were out there, but (understandably) most of the callers were incapable of providing an accurate description on what was occurring, or where things were occurring. Initially, the many callers inability to accurately report, led authorities to believe there were multiple active shooters at multiple locations. When an emergency call taker receives that "one" phone call, from a collected person who is able to report things concisely, it is such a great benefit. That stable caller empowers authorities. I conceal carry and my simplified personal ROE is this. (1) Secure loved ones "exit strategy" (2) Contain the threat "can I prevent violence?" (3) Report the incident "who?, what?, where?, how?" (4) Assist victims "provide direction and buddy aid"
(5) Prevent myself from looking like the bad guy. "Identify myself as a helper".
My ROE acronym is S.C.R.A.P. It's just something to keep me focused.
Although I haven't been a subscriber for long, I've been a long time fan (my knife collection proves that). Thanks for what you do Nutn.
Well done and thanks for taking the time. These are the exact setiments I share and reiterate to others. Be humble and at all costs avoid confrontation. Keep the great videos like these coming.
Really enjoyed it Nut. Great things to reflect on prior to or during any stressful situation. Even if you don't carry, good judgement, conflict avoidance, and conflict deescalation are always the better options over confrontation and violence. Yes, from the facts we do know, the pursuer made a horrible decision to follow, confront, and escalate without thinking about the potential scenarios that could play out. I was nearly forced off the side of a Texas freeway onramp by some guy a few years back. I should of just been happy that nothing happened and went on with my day. Instead, I got angry and made a point of getting along side the guy and threw my hands up in a "WTF" motion to show I was pissed. The guy immediately started motioning and yelling at me to pull over with him. My first thought was that this guy is gonna try to bait me in to some sort of altercation and he may be armed and I'm not. I waited for him to pass the next exit and I got off the freeway and away from that psycho that eagerly wanted to get in to a confrontation.
First day of the police academy we were taught two things that really stuck with me over the years: "treat people the way you would like to be treated" and "be assertive, be aggressive, but if you go looking for trouble, chances are you are going to find it." Great video!
a lot of good advice in this video
i really appreciated the "sheepdog" segment because it's how i am every time i go out. it really gets you thinking when asked "is there anyone watching over these innocent people?" as you panned around that chick-fil-a.. i am always practicing situational awareness - which is probably the greatest thing that i learned while serving our country.