Speaker UPGRADES! Ascendo Audio 13.2.4 Home Theater Review | The 6 and The 10
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- Опубликовано: 30 июн 2024
- Shane reviews the 17.2 channel Ascendo Immersive Audio The 6, The 6 Wedge and The 10 passive home theater speakers. Will these be the new everyday go to reference speakers in the home theater? Let's take a look at this potential home theater upgrade.
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*BEFORE SOMEONE POINTS IT OUT I SPELLED RESPONSE WRONG AT **4:18*
You good brother
I'm an electrician that often works with phoenix contacts and larger wires. You need to get a ferrule crimper and appropriate ferrules. That should help up to a point.
@@jctai100 that's a good idea. I'll try it out 👍
Glad you found your speakers your happy with..In the audio world seems like end game equipment never ends
I like this vid, this is one of your best ones and I’ve been watching your stuff for awhile. The context and commentary was great!
Thanks 💪
Man i love how detailed your analysis was of these speakers using familiar movies uou have heard hundreds of times. ❤
Just cause you give heart don't mean you get one 🥳
@@therealshanelee 🤣😅🥰🥰🥰🥰
Great review. That is an incredible system!
Shane just leveled up big time. This might be your best video yet. Keep up the great work 🍺
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17 channels!? Man, that's insanely awesome. Great video as usual. Big ups, brother!
Thanks!
I feel that you have found your perfect speakers, like hopefully I've found my perfect soundbar when the Nakaimichi dragon arrives later on during this year. I happened to be one of the lucky ones who pre-order one of the first 500🎉
Gratzzz with your mega upgrade :) ...... watch and enjoy all the movies you love 😀😀😀
Thanks! 🍻
Amazing review! Thanks
these visually remind me of my technics speakers I've had since the 90's. the drivers have that same cheaper material with short throw look. When you said the price i almost spat out my coffee. wow
Great video and impressive set up
Great review I missed nothing I just love how you show the difference between both the 6 and 10 inch speakers at once leaving nothing for the imagination everyone can safely say they understand the difference continue doing great work Alhamdulillah I know you will only get better in time In shaallah
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Good review, well presented. I use 12 gauge wire (that's pretty standard for theaters, any thicker and it's like pissing through a fire hose). Those connectors would drive me nuts.
Took me longer to fit all the connectors than mounting all the speakers.
@@therealshanelee any idea why they gave such kind of connectors instead of traditional ones?any sonic benefit with these connectors?
@@pkhammu2005 supposed to be less errors with polarity when dealers are doing prep out in the field. Also easier to just plug in rather than loosing and tightening the posts or using spring clips when installing. Easier for installers is what I'm told.
Great video and review!
Thanks! 🍻
Fabulous video Shane. I've auditioned these speakers once before and after hearing them once, I knew they'd be the ones for my dedicated theater. The VESA 100 mount is an interesting idea. Thank you for pointing out the Phoenix connecter. I didn't think the 6 and 6 wedge used them but instead used binding post. The phoenix connector would be a deal breaker for me as I am using 12 AWG in wall cabling.
They’re a minor annoyance if your not constantly moving them around. I bought a second set of cables to run for other speakers I’ll have in for review so I don’t need to unplug the Ascendos.
I'm sure Procella have been using VESA layout mounts too for a few years now. A good move as it allows a lot of extra flexibility in mount choices.
Several months later, my Ascendo speakers are installed. My installer used VESA mounts on the LCR and the 6’s are in an enclosure mounted in the walls. The Phoenix connector was not a factor as I thought it would be. To say these are phenomenal is an understatement. Very happy with them
Don’t envy the effort needed to haul those around, set them up, review them box up anything you need to send off. Just got doing 7 swap outs and I’d rather never have to do this again.
Thanks for the reviews as always.
When they're small it's not too bad. When they're 100lbs is when it's horrible.
@@therealshaneleeGloss finishes wearing gloves and really heavy speakers made for some moments where I thought the speakers would slip out of my hands onto the floor or slam into my face.
Shane, Great watching your journey to perfection. What drew me to M&K S150s 20 years ago was their great reproduction of audio for movies...and the bass. I recently added their on wall MP-150s. Now 20 years later maybe its time for a change? Ascendo looks NICE! I also love the wife acceptance factor of the low profile mounting. How do you mount Atmos wedges to the ceiling and allow them to be aimed easily?
Here’s a video on how they mount.
ruclips.net/video/RwrkPokcvoM/видео.html
Arendal or Ascendo for HT only if space is not a concern? Love your videos, always looking forward to your next video! Thank you for all you time!
I've commented on your reviews being too short in the past as I was hoping for more quality content from you, this is an amazing review. 5/5 stars!
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Nice video. Felt a little different from other recent videos which are a bit formulaic. You seem to really dig these. I’m sure it’s less frequent for you these days, but probably the best thing about this hobby is when you get something new that either lives up to the hype or goes beyond and blows you away. Seems like these speakers may have done that for you, or at least that’s impression I got from the review.
They're good for sure.
been waiting ages for this review but it didn't disappoint so many thanks for posting
I am sure the Ascendo system will enhance your movie reviews
couldn't find the link to the Vesa mount you used
I don't like the Phoenix connectors they are no good for 4mm cable which you need for long cable runs
There’s links in the description. 👆
Love 😍 your set up. End game 😲
Another great, informative review! Ya those connectors are a really odd choice; that part is a deal breaker for me but everything else is spot on
Great review - I have a 2 tier setup consisting of:
CCRM 12P LCR
CRM6-P Sides and Rears
CCM-5 Atmos (x4)
SMS G18 - 2 - P (Dual 18") with an Ascendo amp
Definitely end game speakers for me: clarity is amazing, low profile allows to be hidden behind the screen and wall panels (inc the sub). I would love an infrasonic but I would need lose a seat to fit it in unfortunately. One day maybe...
hi Peter, im trying to pput a budget together for my home theater, i was wonderung how much were the 12s and 18 subs... thanks in advance
Hi Shane, I enjoyed the video. This, on wall mid/high + sub setup is similar to the Steinway Lyngdorf/Lyngdorf Audio’s philosophy. One difference is the Lyngdorf sub placement (dual opposing subs in the front corner, at 45 degrees - or subs facing the front walls). I currently own a Lyngdorf system with traditional floor standing speakers and a single sub, thus I am unable to benefit from all of their system advantages. I would be curious if you were try placing your subs towards the front wall. Take care.
Yes. I normally use a few subs placed around the room.
Great speakers. Love the slim design and coax drivers.
The only for me here is was lack of real binding posts. Not sure what the thought was here. Most folks who have dedicated spaces are running 12 gauge out of sheer upgradeability.
Price is a bit hefty per speaker but I would definitely consider these.
You can get banana plugs that use a small diameter pin, around 2 to 4mm. Primarily used with vintage stereos. I would if that would work with the phoenix connectors.
If you struggle with stray strands when terminating you should use crimp on wire ferrules. These will go into the phoenix plug terminations well and screw down solid.
Thanks for History talk
Congratulations on the dedicated room.
I see you use REW.
Do you have measurements with all the acoustic treatment as of today?
Can you put the .mdat file to see the acoustics of the room?
It's just curious to see the ETC,Filtered IR,Waterfall,Spectrogram,RT60 ( Topt,T20,T30 ).
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Hey Shane - nice review as always. You were quiet about the Subs, any reason for this? I am assuming you are waiting for infrasonic woofer to complete the setup before passing judgement?
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Are you happy with the sv-12 sub? do you plan to go for a different sub with these ascendo speakers? the sub sounds a bit boomy. Can it be because it's crossed at 100hz?
Hi, Shane. Thanks for the video. This home theater game is an addiction ain't it? At times it seems like I spend equal time tweaking the setup and watching. 😂
Curious to know your listening level when watching Gravity? The subs do a great job of accenting the tools and simple things like when she's 😊turning knobs out of space. Same type of deep sound as if listening under water.
Depends how loud it's mixed, how my calibration came out and when my ears feel the most comfortable.
Hey Shane, great review. I was really waiting for this one. Quick question, in the end which ones did you end up leaving for the LCR, the 6s or the 10s? And why?
10's are behind the screen. The wedges that are used as wides will go up top for 6 heights. The 6's will move to wides.
@@therealshanelee this is very unclear in the video. The video makes it sound like you have 6's all around the bed layer. 😊
@@HomeCinemaJunkie you are correct. In the video 6’s all around. I didn’t discuss what the final layout would be in the video.
Thx so much for this Review. Would these work in a non optimized living room HT? Interesting is the sub Info 4 me. I am thinking about a second 12 inch woofer or replece it with 1 SB 4000 or SB 16 Ultra but these might be overkill in a 6m x 4,2m room to the 6 series of the ascendo? I will use 5.1.4 in the room.
These will work fine in your living room. They’re small too so they’re very inconspicuous. I think you can get them in white too.
What you should get is wire "ferrules" to make using those connectors easier. You'll also need a wire ferrule crimper tool.
Already bought. I’ll probably make a short video on it.
@@therealshanelee in the car audio world wire ferrules made service so much easier and installs so much cleaner
Hey Shane! Canadian David from Mexico here. I have a quick question for you, how would this system sound adding 2 REL subs one to the full range center, the other to the back rear full range speakers? Keep up with the excellent videos I'm a huge fan, and thank you.
Yes it'd work.
How come you ended up with the SV12 subs? Is that just for now, or is infrasonic bass not a priority currently, with output and fidelity being more of a concern? I remember you mentioning they didn't go particularly low in your review.
Thanks for a great video, and a great channel. It's no exaggeration to say I revisit your reviews more often than most.
Subs aren’t mine I’m just reviewing them as part of the speaker setup.
@@therealshanelee ah, gotcha.
u mentioned a lot of great speakers, I would just like to throw the aperion audio theatrus in the mix. please compare those to the rest
I've reached out. They didn't have enough to send. Maybe in the future.
Hi Shane, how do I get the prices for their products. Ive googled it, but the prices from a website that I checked , is waaaaaaaay off from what you mentioned here. Thanks.
hey shane why u not reviewed ati amplifier products,can u hear the difference between ati with some amplifiers u used
Hi Shane, after your review, I looked the Ascendo speakers, is there a difference between the 6 wedge model and the 6 normal speaker?, also do you know if the 6 pro would be a better option than a 10 or 12” speaker for sound quality?.
I was thinking about 12” at the sides and two or 6” at the top, being I’m looking at the 110” tv and don’t think I will get anything bigger in there. Thanks Shane for another great review
Send me an email and I can put you in touch with the appropriate persons.
Hi Shane, found a guy in the UK thanks for your help
Hi.. Have you tried them for music? Especially the 10’s? What is the efficiency of the 10’s? Pity about the phoenix connectors..
They're ok but you'll need a sub.
Thinking of replacing my current setup with these for a small/medium sized room. Would you recommend going with The 6 throughout or The 10 for the LCR and The 6 for surrounds and rears? I could perhaps add 10s to replace surrounds with them in the future as well. Which combination would you have preferred. The 6 throughout, 10 throughout or the way you currently have them setup?
I'd keep them all matching either way you go. They both sound different if you mix and match. The 10's will of course fill a bigger space.
@@therealshanelee Thanks!
I believe one of your recent videos mentioned you were planning a full R4b setup, using 15 speakers. Curious why you abandoned that in favor of Ascendo? Did something happen or did you compare and liked Ascendo better? Thanks man, nice work!
I don't recall that. Maybe I was drinking during that chat.
Hey shane , i have a question … looking from just the sound and bass which are better , these 6” drives or the the klipsch rp-ii in a 7.2.4 bts system (please ignore the price difference ) or the jtr 110s are better? Thank you
Depends on space but I’d pick these.
Hi, thank you very much for the great video.
Maybe you can help me out:
I'm also planning the Ascendo for my home theater.
The room is only 4,71m (L) x 3,65m (W) x 2,85 (H).
Which Ascendo would you recommend?
Is “the 6” enough as an LCR or would you take “the 10” ?
Of course there are 1-2 subs.
And would you use “the 6” as the rear, or would “the 5” be enough?
Are “the 6” actually suitable as heights, or are “the 6edge” recommended?
And how did you mount the Ascendo LCR behind the screen?
Did you mount the speakers "in-wall" or do you use a motorized screen?
Thank you very much in advance.
All 6s will work fine in your space.
Ok thx! Dou you have the LCR-Speakers as "on-wall" beside the screen or "in-wall" behind the screen?
Maybe the Elipson Infinite Speakers are interesting for you.@@therealshanelee
These look awesome and I'm very interested in buying them here in a few months. Only problem is, where would I buy them? I live in Texas.
Drop your email I can have them reach out to you.
Room size missing in "Equipments used for review" and I think room is an important equipment :)
Shane , what is your 13 bed layer that you set in Trinnov.
I have a Trinnov coming and currently with a 7.2.4 system but have always dreamed of more bed layers especially how the Trinnov let’s to configure to what ever you want. Curious about your bed layer arrangement.
You should try Hamrammr.
Their 12 or 8 imersive, is constructed withe the same principles as the Ascendos, but dig deeper. I think the 12 starts rolloff at 50hz. They also have very high sensitivity, sound great (heard them at a show i norway).
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They look good, although quite big?
@@Techdiscussed
They are not that big really, but it all comes down to what you compare too...they are not bookshelves, but much smaller than my towers.
Hi Shane, can you offer an opinion on the differences in sound between this setup and a full Arendal setup that you’re familiar with?
I now own the Ascendo setup. I no longer own the Arendal setup. If that tells you anything.
Gotcha. Not sure if you managed to do any music listening with these Ascendos, if you did, which do you prefer compared with the Arendals?
I'm curious to note have you heard the Cinergy 300 by Monitor Audio? 6500. per speaker
I’m so curious about the volume level you’re at when you’re getting all the ambient sounds in a movie. How far from reference are you?
i was wonder that to
Great review!
Pardon my ignorance... Is the tweeter a soft dome or compression driver? I understand they are a "coaxial" speaker, but I am not sure what the tweeter is made of. I believe I heard you mention soft dome in your review. Thank you in advance.
Good catch.They remind me of the dynaudio esotar 3 tweeter so it's been on my mind.
@@therealshanelee Good deal. Thank you for the clarification. I've been looking closely at both those and the Arendal 1723's, but it sounds like the Ascendo might be the better option for dynamics.
For clarification: The 6's have coaxial soft dome compared to the 10's, 12's and 15's which have a coaxial compression driver.
@@HomeCinemaJunkie Good deal. That is interesting to know they are using two different kinds. I appreciate the information.
I've reached out to them for clarification. I'm being told different things now. Standby.
What app is that u r using for movies?
Hey Shane, How Everything Is Good With And Family And Everything, I'm Just Trying To Figure Out These Speakers 🔊 I Should Get Between, Focal, Klipsch, Svs Or Kefs ???? I Believe 👀 You've Probably Heard Them All, I'm Trying To Get The Best Outta The Bunch, For Music, HOME THEATER 🎥 And So On????
How about running 3 rel t/9x subs to your lcr using the speakon cables and run them full range?
You could. I only have one t9 though.
Because of space I have 3 martin logan slmxl speakers behind my screen which you are familiar with and have no bass. I use 3 t/9x’s paired with each of those speakers and run them full range. I don’t use them for lfe. I’m sure people probably think it’s gimmicky but I have enjoyed the results with this setup.
8:42 - “Crispiness” !!! 🤣😂😆
Shane, I got into GoldenEar XL sub and their SuperCinema 3D after your review. Added some rear SuperSats for a nice little 5.1 living room friendly (WAF) theater. I'm curious since you have reviewed a lot of "on walls" lately. Don't really want to "start over" and want to add some SuperSat 60s for the front 3 and replace the 3D. (About all the "theater" I can get away with.) Ascendos seem great, looks? not so much for what I can get away with. So, of all the low-profiles, which did you prefer and is there anything I'd be giving up with the 60s knowing they're just double the 3D array? (talking 75db MAX at a 10' listening for about 300sf room. Neighbors... Sigh...) GREAT REVIEWS BTW!!
I’d get the 60’s since you already have matching surrounds. They should have pretty bass too.
@@therealshanelee Thanks Shane! Appreciate that. Retiring from the Navy after 24 years. Second job allows me to use the retirement checks for the Trinnov, Perlistens, and the 120' theater. This gets me from here to there! Great channel and content BTW! (ps, King Seikos are looking better and better nowadays!)
@@pj1333 never been a fan of Seiko. The Alpinist is kinda nice though. Well when you want to get a Trinnov or Perlisten shoot me an email. I’ll get you a great deal.
@@therealshanelee Deal!
Hi bro based on your past with dali speakers, how about these epicon series if im using for HT speakers?
Dali makes great speakers. I love the dual tweeter design. They're super detailed.
Why would the old center sound like the audio was coming from Below the screen? If it was mounted below, wouldn’t you (obviously) aim it towards the MLP? 🤷♂️🤔😉
It's not the same.
Does anyone know the dimensions of Shane’s room? I’ve always wondered.
Hi Shane, sorry if i missed it, 5 surrounds 2 wides 3 front =10. But title say 13.
Correct. There are 13 speakers in this video.
@Shane Lee sorry, I'm still missing 3. Where are they located?
I'm building a new theatre now, trinnov et al so I'm super curious.
How often do you actually want to change your speakers? Without an acoustic concept you won't get a better result. I still don't understand why you removed the very good B&W Ct700 speakers.
Do you like these more than the Perlisten S series? 😀
They’re different.
That sounds like a no :D @@therealshanelee
Please hurry with Goldenear T66 review !
Hey shane how are you long time bro i will email to ask you a few things thanks and very nice review 🤝
Are these speakers only available in the EU market?
You can get them in the US also.
I would like to hear a comparison of Ascendo versus JTR speakers. Hearing reviews from both the top speakers, I would like to hear who would be on top. I know Ascendo has bigger speakers than JTR but maybe JTR has better speakers and of course the room has everything to do with it
No such thing what's better. It's only better to you. Everyone has different tastes.
@@therealshanelee thanks for the reply. So, if what you say is true, then your whole video blog is just for you and nobody else?
@@inlandchris1 every video where you see someone's giving their personal take on the sound quality of a speaker is their opinion. You either agree with it or you don't. It's up to you to make that informed decision.
@@therealshanelee thats correct but I still want to know your opinion about the differences between Ascendo and JTR
Could you review powersound audio?
It’s been done.
Thank you Shane. I have just sold my M&K S150 Mk2 speakers because I need "More" in my large room.
I'm a bit surprised and query the crossovers being set at 100Hz. Do you start to experience localisation at that point?
What most interests me with this brand is the precision and detailed articulation people describe. Too often the focus of power, volume, bass etc is the focus of reviews and the loss of the subtle detail isn't mentioned.
A demo I like to use is Bladerunner 2049 (UHD) opening scene - fly over, then the boiling pot and creaking floor/walking to assess detail.
I set the crossovers from looking at the room measurements.
What happened to the MC257?
Still in the rack.
These or the Procellas for movies only?
These.
Dont get me wrong, but: 13x Ascendo LS (15-20 t€), Trinnov 16 or 32 (another 15-20 t€). Amplifier 1-2 (10 - 15 t€) and so on… This cinema or test is only for 2% affordable :-) But nice…
Where do you buy these in the US?
Havensmart
How much is enough?
how are they on 2.2 channel for music?
I personally wouldn’t use them for music.
@@therealshanelee Thanks for the reply Shane. I am considering upgrading my bed layer to 5 x Kef R6 Meta. Already have KEF Non Meta R11, R2C, R3 & 2 x Arendal 1723 1s subs and Denon AVC-A1H. I will sell the R11, R2C, R3's as the R11 & R3 are crossed over at 100hz in my room for best bass response at main listening position.
My logic on the R6 is same drivers as the R11 but without the ported towers taking over the room. The R6 Tweeter, Mid & Bass drivers are identical to those found in the new R Meta series just lacking 2 bass drivers. Based on the specs the R6 should be awesome down to 80hz and let the subs do the rest. No ports to worry about and sealed cabinet should allow better positioning in my room. The last plus is the R6 should be a significant upgrade over the R2C.
Have you heard any of the above yet? Kefs positioning of the R6 as a bed-layer speakers is something missed by the few people talking about the new R Metas.
how do i buy these speakers
Depends where you're located.
If these dug a bit lower they would be ideal. Id be worried about crossing over at 100hz. Id think youd start to hear where the subwoofers are located.
I was worried about that too but couldn’t tell where the subs were located. I suppose if you didn’t calibrate and align the subs properly it could be an issue.
Nice, but i dt think there is a Perfect Speaker. It's jus the person ears. U might not like what i like and vice verse. But AWEsome review...
Shane, you still running these?
Yep
@therealshanelee I'm looking into them along with a couple others to replace my current speakers in my 7ch HT.
Any chance for a follow-up video of pro/con, setup requirements such as needed EQing, over all SQ and satisfaction?
Dont shave your speaker wires down - crimp them into pins or smaller tag lines.
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“That Guy from THE ROCK” (??!!). That would be veteran actor ED HARRIS.
If I said who it was the clip woulda been less impactful 😉
@@therealshanelee 🤔🤨
Test some JTR subwoofers!
15 videos later and still waiting for FOCAL Viva review!!! C'mon....
That’s addressed in the video.
KEF .
Test jtr speakers
Yes please, I second this, I know there are reviews out there, but I like how you review speakers :)....
never gonna happen
him and jtr boss got beef
@@junior-OG In what way?
@@junior-OG too bad for him
And subwoofer
What ?.. I believe Shane will regret to not be handy because you can EASY made a DIY 10" coaxial speaker with a 10" Eminence coax driver, per example, at les than ( from memorie)$250. INSTEAD spending $2200 for the same industrial look (you can made yourself), he just have... $2200 for Ascendo a waste of money. If they were a beautiful cabinet and active with a 300w plate amp, OK... but like the B&W 15 passive sub + 1000w power amp at around $3400 together, some product are very overpriced.. that's sound you spend $1000 for the cabinet ONLY... I have no respect for industrial overpriced minimalist speakers ( i drivers here ) an average andy person can duplicate with a minimum of tools.. but I, am jealous of all the gear Shane have 😮😶😶😶
Or get JTR 110HT for half the price and it seems they use the same driver as i have in my JTR :)
Stop that different camera angle thing. It’s lame
Stop bitchin Karen, and go make your own damn vids.
Nice iv recently have had the idea to do something similar to my area I'm just stuck on witcĥ brand
You can always go the Ascendo route.
@@therealshanelee are they threw special order no prices on there site how do you compare them with psd on wall