Dolby and DTS do not recommend true dipole surround speakers for their immersive sound formats, as they smear the sound stage too much. If you are sitting about four feet or less from your base layer surrounds, then bipole surrounds are recommended to lessen hot spotting where you get too direct a point of sound firing toward your ears. If you happen to have a wider and/or longer room, then traditional monopole speakers are potentially the better choice. Your speakers should be timbre matched as closely as possible around the room for a more seamless experience.
agreed, my media room is 6*3 m and direct speakers are too easy to localize with no phantom sound while panning, so I went with rp502 for sides (1,5 m away) and 402 for rears(1,2m away). I'm in a bubble this way, opposed to having rp160m before, which made panning on a side like hearing three speakers consecutively, vs making a straight line with bipoles. Also, sides are a bit in front of a two seat recliner, as I really feel the influence of person next to me blocking the sound path
Dipole & tripole speakers are best used as surrounds IF you have only have one set of (side) surrounds and you have two rows of seating. It's always ideal to have monopole speakers though.
I don’t usually make comments, but this was an excellent presentation. I first started using surround systems with the television more than 30 years ago when my “big screen” was a 27 inch crt. It added great dimension. Of course, I upgraded televisions and receivers over the years, but replaced speakers only when necessary, choosing to repair my front JBL’s several years ago. With today’s large and relatively inexpensive high resolution screens we can enjoy a more theater like experience even without a dedicated theater room, such as a family room. I have been more recently reinfected with the home theater bug and have been attempting to improve my viewing experience in my open family room environment. I have watched many videos on home theater setups in dedicated and nondedicated environments and the separate various aspects. But none on this topic! And I have been interested in learning about dipole speakers. Your video really helped. But, I would really like to know when it would be beneficial to use the dipole speakers. I don’t like to make purchases only to later realize there was a better option. Could you revisit this topic to explain when the listening environment would benefit from dipole speakers?
I have been pondering on this subject for a long long time when i was trying to upgrade my surround speakers, so it is great to see someone finally does a review on this subject! Kudos to you!
@@edwardwilson9195 I think you a fool lol wasting that money on Chinese production speakers when you can shop directly from the China base svs manufacturer and spend about 700 less
Between the Amazing Spider Man #153 and Ultimate Iron Man #1 covers, to the Lego setup, to the actual advice this is one of my favorite videos on this channel.
Great video.I personally use the Klipsch dipole only because I am sitting so close to my surround speakers and it helps to not blare directly in my ear. Otherwise I would probably use the direct radiating one.
I have bipole speakers as my surround in my atmos setup, and I absolutely love it. The surround effects are much more realistic in my opinion than when I had directional speakers.
Interesting... I just replaced my bi-pole surrounds with mono-poles. The challenge I have is a small listening area and the bi-poles were directing the high frequencies in areas that were interfering with other speakers. For my situation mono-poles are much easier to live with. My sound system consists of 4 SVS Ultra Bookshelf speakers (2 for the mains and 2 for the side channels), an SVS Ultra Center speaker, 6 SVS Prime Elevation speakers (4 ceiling mounted for Dolby Atmos and 2 mounted on the rear wall for the rear channels) and 2 SVS SB-3000 Subwoofers. The system is powered by a Yamaha AVENTAGE RX-A8A 11 channel AVR connected to a Panamax M5400-PM Power Conditioner.
Hey brother. Thank you for continually posting these informative videos. Your calm demeanor and eloquence in speech makes it really easy to comprehend such a subject that would seemingly be confusing or difficult to pay attention to due to its complexity in natural. Again, your time, knowledge and support in the community is much appreciated.
This is probably one of the best "take it to basics" videos I have seen in a long time. Great job! How about doing a follow up compare between in ceiling speakers and dedicated height speakers (wedged shaped speakers that are popping up all over the place). Can both be used for DTX and Atmos? What are the pros and cons. Keep up the good work!
Thanks 🙏🏾! Unfortunately my room and seating positions aren’t setup for in ceiling so I can’t do a proper video but I do have an Atmos video in mind. It’ll probably be out in a few weeks.
Thinking outside the box on good content and what’s actually important to viewers with regards to set up, we all know what’s ideal or what Dolby suggest but it’s a superb video that gives us an insight in real world what the differences could be in like with the various options on offer. Thanks for taking the time to do this one, extremely informative and a brilliant watch!
The BARE MINIMUM layout for adequate immersive surround is 5.1.4 (with hopefully more than one subwoofer to help even out the frequency response in the room). Yes, budget receivers also do 5.1.2, but you lose quite a bit of object panning across the ceiling with only two overhead speakers.
Good video. I went with bipole speakers for my rear speakers in my 5.1.4 setup. For two reasons: rear speakers are only 1 foot behind the listening position and 1 foot above. So a more dispersed sound is better cause of the close proximity. Also, I got a cheap pair on sale. Sounds very good. I haven't heard any other speakers. No idea how others would sound in my room
@@HomeTheaterHobbyist for close proximity, bipole or dipole speakers are better. Imo, they were designed for that application and because back in the day there was "only" 5.1 sound formats. If you can setup a 7.1 with perfect angles and distances, I wouldn't choose a dipole/bipole design but the reality is that most of us aren't fortunate enough to have a space with a perfect layout and for that, these speakers are a very good choice. I use bipole speakers in my 5.2 setup as well since my listening position is right up against the back wall.
I sold my Boston Acoustics Dipoles for Klipsch RB-51ii Bookshelf Speakers, and the directional experience was a definite improvement, thanks for the validation, Cody.
An excellent video, THANK YOU! I recently replaced my bi-pole surrounds with mono-poles. When I started with 5.1, the bi-poles were fantastic. My system expanded to 7.2.4 and I found the high frequencies from the side bi-poles were directed towards areas I didn't want the sound to go. Switching to mono-poles for the sides made a great improvement! My sound system consists of 4 SVS Ultra Bookshelf speakers (2 for the mains and 2 for the side channels), an SVS Ultra Center speaker, 6 SVS Prime Elevation speakers (4 ceiling mounted for Dolby Atmos and 2 mounted on the rear wall for the rear channels) and 2 SVS SB-3000 Subwoofers. The system is powered by a Yamaha AVENTAGE RX-A8A 11 channel AVR connected to a Panamax M5400-PM Power Conditioner.
Dipole/Bipole diffused surround speakers belong in the 90's where they were a requirement for THX decolleration specs. For modern object based multichannel, you want direct firying speakers, better those that can be tilted towards the MLP. For me, Focal Dome Flax works best. I have 6 of them for surround, top front and back. Ny fronts are Focal Aria 906 and CC900 center. I'm now considering to get two additional dome flax for back surround.
Fantastic tutorial!..You are so RIGHT!! ...I had the Klipsch Dipole speakers with my Atmos setup for years and just switched to direct radiating speakers and WOW!!...unbelievable difference....I was missing so much! Thanks Again for the tutorial ...I just became a Subscriber...Good Luck on the channel!
I use 2 of the 402s as my rear surround as I don't have much choice. They make the perfect solution when your couch is up against a wall and there is no room behind you for rear speakers. In that case, the 402's out to the side of you on the wall right behind you, make a good choice. It was either that or install in-wall speakers at the rear as there is no other way to get something behind you when you are up against the wall.
Wow thats a very helpful video. Ive always liked my bipole/dipoles, but i dont use them in my atmos system. Its good to know the monopole really is better for atmos. Thanks for doing and sharing this experiment, along with your other videos! Also, block demonstration was a good idea when you explained how heights/phantom speakers work in atmos.
I just found this. Excellent presentation and really laid out in a easily understood way. I was trying to dig up some info on dipole vs bipole vs monopole and you summed it up for me in a clearly understood manner. Thanks, you have a new subscriber.
I use surround for my pc. GTFO, Eve, L4D2, if I hear where everyone is better it benefits me more. So also consider what entertainment you use it for I'd say.
I'm still using Klipsh THX 5000 surround speaker for the left n right surround because my listening position is so close (4.5 feet) center listening position to left and to the right!.. Man really enjoy your channel..... Clear explanation 👍
Great video! One note though. The arendal speaker you tested can function like a direct radiating speaker or triaxial speaker depending on whether you remove the 2 plates connecting the front and side drivers on the back. It should function more like a traditional bookshelf in that mode.
I love watching your videos. And I don’t know why I feel the need to comment every time and compliment each video, but they really are on another level compared to other home theater channels. Thank you again for the quality content!
I agree, this is the best explanation I have ever heard covering sound expectation versus actual experience. Really interesting and covered everything I wanted to know in a very short period time. I am knew to this hobby and currently planning a home theatre build. This is exactly the type of content I am looking for. Thank you Cody!
Amazing explanation. I assumed bipolar speakers would be good for surrounds till I watched this video. You’ve save me a lot of $$ and improved surround sound quality.
I use Klipsch RP 250S for side surrounds and RP 260 as rears in a 7.2.4 system (280 front/450 center)...you can look dead at the speakers and not know what direction the sound is coming...it sounds realistic and natural...like you're there...so I guess it depends on room and setup......
Thanks! I didn’t mention this in the video but I did all my testing and wrote my conclusions before looking into the Dolby documentation. I’m always trying to optimize my system so I like to do various test where possible then research facts and community opinion. It does make me happy that my listening results match Dolby recommendations for audio mixers but really I wanted to find what works best. 😁
Excellent video. It's good to get informed by these testing setup type videos before I buy something and regret it. I know that sounds bad, but I'm at the beginning of my HT journey. Thanks Cody.
Great video. However, the Arendal's can also be configured to be a front firing by removing the bridge in the back and only using one set of Speaker Terminals. This now makes them a Single tweeter Single woofer front firing speaker and ignores the side Triad woofers. In my experience this is the best config when listening to Dolby Atmos.
Cody, i do have a question which i think most of your viewers would be interested in, which is that most of us use our living room to double as our home theater space and typically we have couches against the wall, with the side surrounds right next to the sofa. Would the tripole speakers be better in this instance?
This is a really good question! So for the person that is sitting in the center a monopole is really good, as @double T said. But for those sitting on either end of the couch, nearest the speaker, a bipole is probably better since the drivers aren’t firing directly in the ear, it’s much more diffuse. A tripole speaker could be a bit too loud in the ear similar to the monopole depending on how close it is to the couch.
I’ve had the 1723S surrounds for a couple of years now and I’ve been pushing off testing them in monopole mode and comparing it to triaxial mode. Now, I think I’m going to put them in monopole mode and run with it a bit next time I have time to run a new calibration. Great video.
Di bipole for seating quite near so that it doesnt annoy you - when a 3 seat row sits 4-6ft away always take the dipole… if its a bit more far away direct speakers are better - i would hate it sitting just ft away from a driect speaker blasting in ears… even anthony grimani still uses di/bipols sfor side…
great video, good info, I have all those types of speakers in my setup now, looking to add atmos enabled later. I'll look to see if you have recommendations for atmos.
I recently was able to lengthen my soundstage, and was using a pair of RP402’s for rear surrounds to make the rear sound larger than it was. I had RP160M’s as my side surrounds. Once I rotated my room to take advantage of the length, the RP160M’s were moved to rear surround duty, and the RP402’s became my side surrounds. Their bipole design helped a lot with the length of the room. Now, my side surrounds have been upgraded to the bigger RP502’s, and my rear surrounds match my front L/R being RP600M’s. I’ve noticed a big difference.
That was a brilliant use of Mega Blocks! I have a question. Is the overall experience less immersive when you can pinpoint which speaker the sound is coming from? Does it take your attention off the screen? I ask this because I remember my first 5.1 experience. It was The Lion King. I was in the theater, and a bird or something made a noise beside me, and I turned my head to look, and I was taken out of the film experience.
Very useful video, I'm having the Klipsch RP8000F and i'm surround sound to build a 5.1 in my small apartment and I didn't know the difference between these. Fun fact.. the James Bond scene with the bells and the shooting from the one eye villain is my reference scene to test out settings/speakers/placement... Damn this scene is so crisp and vivid and tense.. So now i know i'm on the right track.. Thanks my friend.. Liked and subscribed 😁😁
I did the same test with my Back Surround and found that I opted for direct radiating speaker as well. It’s just had more noticeable sound affects from behind. I gave up my dipole/bipole speakers for surround as well
Thank you for the video, i was going to upgrade my atmos speakers and was thinking about getting a set of those surround speakers but now i know to keep the bookshelf speakers
Very informative and I can't wait to try out this movie on Prime. They have Atmos movies and this is one of them. Never new the difference of a di-pole and bi-pole until your video. Thanks!!!!!!
This was an absolutely excellent demo of trying to place an Atmos object in space. But you didn't give thoughts about the atmospheric abilities of these designs. When a diffuse sound is actually *desired* like providing a sense of scale then is a monopole a bad thing? Perhaps the best of both worlds might be the triaxial design?
I have seen this same comparison in several other videos, and the result is the same - use directional, not bipolar, and certainly not dipolar for your L+R surrounds. - Thanks - Cheers!
Great video !! I’m using def tech sr 9080 bipolar for surround back and side .. I would like to replace with monopole ones .. and would like to place the sr9080 as 4 height speakers.. which surround u recommend to replace with ? Does it be timber matched one ? Fronts are def tech bp9080x and center is paradigm prestige 55c …
Hi, What I found missing in the video is when one should use the diffuse sound surround speakers? You show only their disadvantages, without any advantages.
That’s true. The purpose of this video was to determine the best speaker for 3D sound. I wasn’t highlighting surround speaker advantages/disadvantages, that could be a topic for another video.
You are correct. But, several other people have made comments that provide some additional information based on their knowledge and/experience. I usually try to read some of the comments to gain additional incite. You can usually tell those that have actual knowledge and those that are BS. Overall, this was an excellent video presentation!
Thanks for video. Please your recomendation - if i seat near rear wall and not have place for rear surround - better klipsch 500 bookshelfs ore 502 bipole for 5.1?
So I usually watch peoples videos at 1.5 speed yours i need to watch at 1,25 times speed so that means there is just a lot of content in what you're saying. i appreciate this. lots of content and details are great as many youtubers just talk and do not have enough useable content for my taste. keep it up just at 1.25 speed though :)
Excellent video. I'm in the market for a Dolby Atmos soundbar system. Leaning towards the Nakamichi 9.2.4, but I've found that it's actually a 9.2 system, with the option to configure the satellites as height channels. I can play with a 9.2 or 7.2.2 or 5.2.4. I was debating between using the rears as rears or rears pointing up, or using the side surrounds as height channels. I thought that, as my couch is against the rear wall, having side surrounds pointing directly at me would do more than rears that are just barely behind me in the corners. This video helped me quite a bit in deciding on that!! Cheers.
Hi mate, excellent review and an eye opener for me. Question, how does the Reference Premiere RP-500SA II work as surrounds compared to RP-150 (or 500M).. I'm kinda leaning toward RP-500SA as my surrounds. I'm coming from the excellent Q acoustic 2020 series (served me well for 12 years). Welcome other opinions as well. Thanks in advance peeps.
I haven't tried them but I assume they would work well. There's not a lot of cabinet volume so the bass may not be super impressive but it should work as a surround.
Question, So i bought the 7.1 Klipch Ref26FA 7.1 Home system... Paired it with SONY STR -AN1000. Is this a true 7.1 beacuse the towers have tech two speackers in each tower? Can i add two more book shelfs to this or would that not work>? thanks love the channel
I like how you explained it. It made more sense to me now. I love how you use the big lego blocks. Thank you for making this video. New subscriber here.
Thanks man! Great video, great explanation, and I love the Lego mac daddy setup! lol My 7.2.4 system uses direct radiating speakers from GoldenEar and it sounds damn fine, but I always wondered about the di/tri-pole surrounds. Again, thanks for doing the hard work. Cheers, Craig.
Thanks for that explanation I have a few questions let’s say I wanna get the rp500m for surrounds the gen 2 are more than double the price and the gen 1 are cheap would it make a huge difference to have different gens for surrounds or can I save some money and get the gen 1
Nice video. My concerns would be: First, you define a "main listening position", but shouldn't it be more a "main listening area"? How does your conclusion stands when you have several listerner? Would the monopole still soon the best to all positions? Second, you have chosen in your exemples very specific events, where you want clear positioning of the sound. Is that always wanted? How about ambient sounds? They still exist in the Atmos format, right? Aren't you sacrifiying the ambient effects (that you should not be able to localize) for getting correct positioning of objects?
Good questions. 🙂 Here are my responses: 1. Yes, the results should hold up for the main listening area as long as a multi-seat room calibration has been run to adequately even the volume at the various seats through your processor AND the surround speakers are adequately spaced from the closest listener, I'd say greater than 3ft/1 meter. Inside this dimension the direct radiating speaker may be a little loud to the closest listener and a more diffuse sound is preferred. I tried sitting approximately 28 inches from the surround speaker and I noticed the direct radiating does give a little more "phantom speaker" effect than a traditional surround, but closer than 23 inches it's extremely hard to hear the effect. 2. You are correct I was looking for very specific sounds to determine which speaker handled those sounds to closely match director/audio mixer intent. Remember the director/audio mixer specifically chose to put the sound in that place, which is the point of the object based audio format. If they want an ambient sound they create an ambient sound in the mix and listen back to that sound over direct radiating speakers (if they are following the Dolby recommendations). Now to your point a traditional surround sound speaker will produce a more diffuse ambient sound compared to direct radiating and as end users we may prefer that type of sound (many people do see other comments in this section 🙂) but per Dolby instructions the mixers are supposed to create on direct radiating speakers. Hopefully I've answered your questions! Thanks for commenting, these were very thoughtful questions. 💪🏾😁
What a fantastic video, thanks Cody! I have a follow up quest regarding the couch against the wall with surrounds left and right. If that's my setup, would you also recommend height speakers or mid left and right speakers or is going beyond a 5.1 setup not really worth it?
So using Dipoles at 90 degree's on a 5.1 is not recommended anymore? Been doing it forever, never tried a monopole because I never had a 7.1. Should I use my Dipoles as atmos and get monopoles for my sides?
Love your content and format! Quick question for clarity, the 1723s has the jumper on the rear to remove for direct fire out the front woofer and tweeter correct?
Fantastic video.. in the process of building a home theater right now. This video is very informational. Thanks for outlining how six Atmos speakers would work.
Thank you. I imagine that sometimes you want the sound to be more diffuse, right? Isn't the point to Atmos to not be able to tell where the sound is coming from?
Yes, there are times when a more diffuse sound is preferred such as sitting close to a surround speaker but Atmos is trying to pinpoint sounds in the sound field so a direct radiating speaker is better for that.
Hey man. Great video. Just curious do you know if the Arendal Surrounds can be mounted on top of speaker stands? I'm looking at the Monoprice Monolith stands.
Well done! Great explanation, although I already have the Klipsch R-402s for my surrounds, but I also have a pair of Polk audio direct speakers that my going to use to see the difference between the two. I’ll be sure to let you know what I think afterwards. Once again, great job!
Fantastic video my brother. The table diagram was great. Please continue doing what you're doing. Suggestions: Right now I'm running 6 inceiling Polk RC 80's (2 front, 2 mid, 2 rear), Def Tech 9080 CT and HSU sub. Most times I run 5.1.2. I'm considering using my in-ceiling as Atmos and running stand speakers around my room. I want to run this through an Onkyo RZ-50. Would you recommend this receiver? What stand speakers would you suggest? Thanks in advance for your time and effort.
Nice setup and thanks for watching! I think the Onkyo will work but I can't "recommend" it because I haven't tried it personally. A quick peek at the specs, I think will work great and if you have the opportunity to get a separate power amplifier for the front sound stage (Left, center, right) you could have an even better experience, I discuss that here: ruclips.net/video/fq8of0WkjCk/видео.html The RZ-50 has pre-out connections so it would be easy to add an amplifier, I show the method here: ruclips.net/video/T5jIBWow3A8/видео.html Hopefully this helps! 😁 Enjoy!
I was thinking about doing a 9.4.4 in the new house, I was going to do two towers, a center, two sets of dipole’s, and one set of bookshelves. I was also told that I could use dipole’s as my Atmos speakers, would you recommend this foray of speakers? Thanks
Great question, I wouldn't use dipoles as Atmos speakers because height effects are very directional (think airplanes flying overhead) and dipoles will diffuse the effect. Hopefully this helps.
Just I agree with your assessment, however there's a slight disclaimer. You can disable the diffusion speakers on the Arendal surround speaker, according to the speaker specifications. You have the option to make it a direct firing speaker. My question is, do you need 6 Atmos speakers to achieve the effect you're speaking of? I'm looking to purchase a Trinov processor in the near future to improve my theater system.
The amount of height speakers is dependent on your room size & seating design (just like your base level speakers). Minimum should be four though. You are correct about the Arendal speakers.
@@doublet147 I just purchased 11 of them and I'm going to power them with two Monolith 7x200. Since I purchased two height channels for the front, I'm going to pull the trigger on two Revel in ceiling Atmos speakers since they have similar sound characteristics. I'm just upgrading everything and wasn't sure if the Atmos channels are independent from each other. I'm really excited to hear what the Trinov sounds like on Arendal speakers.
@@HomeTheaterHobbyist yeah, I only have two height channels and now two Revel Atmos are coming. I'm going the separates direction. It's 11 channels with 2 subwoofers and now 2 Atmos. The two height channels in the front will be converted to play on the other 2 Atmos channels. So in total there will be four Atmos speakers.
@@JohnARobinsonJr that should sound great. Trinnov processing is amongst the best. I have two height (front) & two in ceiling speakers for atmos. I like the imaging. I'm sure you will too. Just make sure you have some acoustic treatments to get the most out of your system & room.
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This is the best explanation I have EVER heard about this. Man, superbly done. Absolute professional level. Thanks, Cody.
Thank you!
As a 53 yr old just coming into the 21st audio century, this was a simple, direct and informative video, great job sir, cheers from east coast Canada.
Dolby and DTS do not recommend true dipole surround speakers for their immersive sound formats, as they smear the sound stage too much. If you are sitting about four feet or less from your base layer surrounds, then bipole surrounds are recommended to lessen hot spotting where you get too direct a point of sound firing toward your ears. If you happen to have a wider and/or longer room, then traditional monopole speakers are potentially the better choice. Your speakers should be timbre matched as closely as possible around the room for a more seamless experience.
agreed, my media room is 6*3 m and direct speakers are too easy to localize with no phantom sound while panning, so I went with rp502 for sides (1,5 m away) and 402 for rears(1,2m away). I'm in a bubble this way, opposed to having rp160m before, which made panning on a side like hearing three speakers consecutively, vs making a straight line with bipoles. Also, sides are a bit in front of a two seat recliner, as I really feel the influence of person next to me blocking the sound path
Dipole & tripole speakers are best used as surrounds IF you have only have one set of (side) surrounds and you have two rows of seating. It's always ideal to have monopole speakers though.
I love how you described this with the little theater, great idea
Thank you!
I don’t usually make comments, but this was an excellent presentation. I first started using surround systems with the television more than 30 years ago when my “big screen” was a 27 inch crt. It added great dimension. Of course, I upgraded televisions and receivers over the years, but replaced speakers only when necessary, choosing to repair my front JBL’s several years ago. With today’s large and relatively inexpensive high resolution screens we can enjoy a more theater like experience even without a dedicated theater room, such as a family room. I have been more recently reinfected with the home theater bug and have been attempting to improve my viewing experience in my open family room environment. I have watched many videos on home theater setups in dedicated and nondedicated environments and the separate various aspects. But none on this topic! And I have been interested in learning about dipole speakers. Your video really helped. But, I would really like to know when it would be beneficial to use the dipole speakers. I don’t like to make purchases only to later realize there was a better option. Could you revisit this topic to explain when the listening environment would benefit from dipole speakers?
I have been pondering on this subject for a long long time when i was trying to upgrade my surround speakers, so it is great to see someone finally does a review on this subject! Kudos to you!
Thanks for sharing and watching! 😁
@@HomeTheaterHobbyist what do you think of svs speakers bookshelfs and elevations all feedback would be appreciated.
@@edwardwilson9195 I think you a fool lol wasting that money on Chinese production speakers when you can shop directly from the China base svs manufacturer and spend about 700 less
Between the Amazing Spider Man #153 and Ultimate Iron Man #1 covers, to the Lego setup, to the actual advice this is one of my favorite videos on this channel.
Thank you 🙏🏾😁
Great video.I personally use the Klipsch dipole only because I am sitting so close to my surround speakers and it helps to not blare directly in my ear. Otherwise I would probably use the direct radiating one.
I understand and agree with that approach.
I have bipole speakers as my surround in my atmos setup, and I absolutely love it. The surround effects are much more realistic in my opinion than when I had directional speakers.
Is your setup ear level L/R surrounds plus ear level rear surrounds plus ceiling height speakers and how far are you from them? Thanks
@@michaelcampbell9459 they are a little above ear height and 12ft from the MLP.
Interesting... I just replaced my bi-pole surrounds with mono-poles. The challenge I have is a small listening area and the bi-poles were directing the high frequencies in areas that were interfering with other speakers. For my situation mono-poles are much easier to live with.
My sound system consists of 4 SVS Ultra Bookshelf speakers (2 for the mains and 2 for the side channels), an SVS Ultra Center speaker, 6 SVS Prime Elevation speakers (4 ceiling mounted for Dolby Atmos and 2 mounted on the rear wall for the rear channels) and 2 SVS SB-3000 Subwoofers. The system is powered by a Yamaha AVENTAGE RX-A8A 11 channel AVR connected to a Panamax M5400-PM Power Conditioner.
I very like the way you show the information in your videos , clear and just to the point 👌👌
Thanks a lot 😊
Hey brother. Thank you for continually posting these informative videos. Your calm demeanor and eloquence in speech makes it really easy to comprehend such a subject that would seemingly be confusing or difficult to pay attention to due to its complexity in natural. Again, your time, knowledge and support in the community is much appreciated.
Thank you so much! I enjoy doing these types of videos and it means a lot that folks are getting stuff from them.
@@HomeTheaterHobbyist God bless you sir.
May God bless you and your family too!
This is probably one of the best "take it to basics" videos I have seen in a long time. Great job! How about doing a follow up compare between in ceiling speakers and dedicated height speakers (wedged shaped speakers that are popping up all over the place). Can both be used for DTX and Atmos? What are the pros and cons. Keep up the good work!
Thanks 🙏🏾! Unfortunately my room and seating positions aren’t setup for in ceiling so I can’t do a proper video but I do have an Atmos video in mind. It’ll probably be out in a few weeks.
Thinking outside the box on good content and what’s actually important to viewers with regards to set up, we all know what’s ideal or what Dolby suggest but it’s a superb video that gives us an insight in real world what the differences could be in like with the various options on offer.
Thanks for taking the time to do this one, extremely informative and a brilliant watch!
Thank you for your comments! It’s good to know when a video is actually helpful. 😁
I just love listening to your story time calm voice. And You are as always very informative and easy to understand.
Thank you 🙏🏾
The BARE MINIMUM layout for adequate immersive surround is 5.1.4 (with hopefully more than one subwoofer to help even out the frequency response in the room). Yes, budget receivers also do 5.1.2, but you lose quite a bit of object panning across the ceiling with only two overhead speakers.
Agreed
Good video. I went with bipole speakers for my rear speakers in my 5.1.4 setup. For two reasons: rear speakers are only 1 foot behind the listening position and 1 foot above. So a more dispersed sound is better cause of the close proximity. Also, I got a cheap pair on sale. Sounds very good. I haven't heard any other speakers. No idea how others would sound in my room
Im glad you got a great deal, I like getting deals myself. 😁 As long as you’re happy with your setup, that’s really what my matters.
@@HomeTheaterHobbyist for close proximity, bipole or dipole speakers are better. Imo, they were designed for that application and because back in the day there was "only" 5.1 sound formats. If you can setup a 7.1 with perfect angles and distances, I wouldn't choose a dipole/bipole design but the reality is that most of us aren't fortunate enough to have a space with a perfect layout and for that, these speakers are a very good choice. I use bipole speakers in my 5.2 setup as well since my listening position is right up against the back wall.
Literally the best explanation I've heard, thank you
I sold my Boston Acoustics Dipoles for Klipsch RB-51ii Bookshelf Speakers, and the directional experience was a definite improvement, thanks for the validation, Cody.
Thanks for sharing its good to hear others hear an improvement as well. 😁
What is your current setup and speaker layout, if you don't mind me asking?
An excellent video, THANK YOU! I recently replaced my bi-pole surrounds with mono-poles. When I started with 5.1, the bi-poles were fantastic. My system expanded to 7.2.4 and I found the high frequencies from the side bi-poles were directed towards areas I didn't want the sound to go. Switching to mono-poles for the sides made a great improvement!
My sound system consists of 4 SVS Ultra Bookshelf speakers (2 for the mains and 2 for the side channels), an SVS Ultra Center speaker, 6 SVS Prime Elevation speakers (4 ceiling mounted for Dolby Atmos and 2 mounted on the rear wall for the rear channels) and 2 SVS SB-3000 Subwoofers. The system is powered by a Yamaha AVENTAGE RX-A8A 11 channel AVR connected to a Panamax M5400-PM Power Conditioner.
Nice system!!! 👍🏾👍🏾😁
Dipole/Bipole diffused surround speakers belong in the 90's where they were a requirement for THX decolleration specs. For modern object based multichannel, you want direct firying speakers, better those that can be tilted towards the MLP. For me, Focal Dome Flax works best. I have 6 of them for surround, top front and back. Ny fronts are Focal Aria 906 and CC900 center. I'm now considering to get two additional dome flax for back surround.
Thanks for watching!
Fantastic tutorial!..You are so RIGHT!! ...I had the Klipsch Dipole speakers with my Atmos setup for years and just switched to direct radiating speakers and WOW!!...unbelievable difference....I was missing so much!
Thanks Again for the tutorial ...I just became a Subscriber...Good Luck on the channel!
Thanks for watching and subscribing!! 😁
I use 2 of the 402s as my rear surround as I don't have much choice. They make the perfect solution when your couch is up against a wall and there is no room behind you for rear speakers. In that case, the 402's out to the side of you on the wall right behind you, make a good choice. It was either that or install in-wall speakers at the rear as there is no other way to get something behind you when you are up against the wall.
Wow thats a very helpful video. Ive always liked my bipole/dipoles, but i dont use them in my atmos system. Its good to know the monopole really is better for atmos. Thanks for doing and sharing this experiment, along with your other videos!
Also, block demonstration was a good idea when you explained how heights/phantom speakers work in atmos.
I’m happy to was helpful and easy to understand. 😁
I just found this. Excellent presentation and really laid out in a easily understood way. I was trying to dig up some info on dipole vs bipole vs monopole and you summed it up for me in a clearly understood manner. Thanks, you have a new subscriber.
I use surround for my pc. GTFO, Eve, L4D2, if I hear where everyone is better it benefits me more.
So also consider what entertainment you use it for I'd say.
I'm still using Klipsh THX 5000 surround speaker for the left n right surround because my listening position is so close (4.5 feet) center listening position to left and to the right!..
Man really enjoy your channel..... Clear explanation 👍
Thank you 🙏🏾
Great video! One note though. The arendal speaker you tested can function like a direct radiating speaker or triaxial speaker depending on whether you remove the 2 plates connecting the front and side drivers on the back. It should function more like a traditional bookshelf in that mode.
Thanks for sharing!
Great video. My personal preference is to hear sound but not know where it's coming from, so I went with klipsch rp-250s and I love them!!
Nice 😊
I Have those RP-250S as rears, they sound fantastic.
I love watching your videos. And I don’t know why I feel the need to comment every time and compliment each video, but they really are on another level compared to other home theater channels.
Thank you again for the quality content!
Wow! Thank you very much! Not just for this comment but all of them, it really means a lot knowing people enjoy the videos. Thank you 🙏🏾👊🏾😁
This is the best visual I've seen for speaker set up by far, and I've viewed a lot of content. Very nice!!!
Wow, thanks!
I agree, this is the best explanation I have ever heard covering sound expectation versus actual experience. Really interesting and covered everything I wanted to know in a very short period time. I am knew to this hobby and currently planning a home theatre build. This is exactly the type of content I am looking for. Thank you Cody!
Thank you for the kind words!!!
Amazing explanation. I assumed bipolar speakers would be good for surrounds till I watched this video. You’ve save me a lot of $$ and improved surround sound quality.
I’m happy to help!
I use Klipsch RP 250S for side surrounds and RP 260 as rears in a 7.2.4 system (280 front/450 center)...you can look dead at the speakers and not know what direction the sound is coming...it sounds realistic and natural...like you're there...so I guess it depends on room and setup......
You're happy with your setup and that is what ultimately matters!💪🏾 Thanks for commenting! 😁
The Legos were great.
I've heard this same information before. Nice to get your impressions after testing
Thanks! I didn’t mention this in the video but I did all my testing and wrote my conclusions before looking into the Dolby documentation. I’m always trying to optimize my system so I like to do various test where possible then research facts and community opinion. It does make me happy that my listening results match Dolby recommendations for audio mixers but really I wanted to find what works best. 😁
Excellent video. It's good to get informed by these testing setup type videos before I buy something and regret it. I know that sounds bad, but I'm at the beginning of my HT journey. Thanks Cody.
Happy to help! Thanks for watching 😁
Great video. However, the Arendal's can also be configured to be a front firing by removing the bridge in the back and only using one set of Speaker Terminals. This now makes them a Single tweeter Single woofer front firing speaker and ignores the side Triad woofers. In my experience this is the best config when listening to Dolby Atmos.
Thanks for sharing! 😁
This was great. Thanks for the information. I wanted to add side surrounds and you help me make my decision.
Happy to help! 😁
Cody, i do have a question which i think most of your viewers would be interested in, which is that most of us use our living room to double as our home theater space and typically we have couches against the wall, with the side surrounds right next to the sofa. Would the tripole speakers be better in this instance?
No. Definitely go with a standard monopole speaker. You will have better imaging.
This is a really good question! So for the person that is sitting in the center a monopole is really good, as @double T said. But for those sitting on either end of the couch, nearest the speaker, a bipole is probably better since the drivers aren’t firing directly in the ear, it’s much more diffuse. A tripole speaker could be a bit too loud in the ear similar to the monopole depending on how close it is to the couch.
I’ve had the 1723S surrounds for a couple of years now and I’ve been pushing off testing them in monopole mode and comparing it to triaxial mode. Now, I think I’m going to put them in monopole mode and run with it a bit next time I have time to run a new calibration. Great video.
Thanks! Let me know what you find once your is testing is complete. 😁
what were ur findings?
Best explanation Ever … 👍. Thanks
Glad it was helpful!
Di bipole for seating quite near so that it doesnt annoy you - when a 3 seat row sits 4-6ft away always take the dipole… if its a bit more far away direct speakers are better - i would hate it sitting just ft away from a driect speaker blasting in ears… even anthony grimani still uses di/bipols sfor side…
Depends on the room layout the direct might not work in narrow spacing
great vid.
it would be great if you did a similar vid for upfiring atmos speaks as well
great video, good info, I have all those types of speakers in my setup now, looking to add atmos enabled later. I'll look to see if you have recommendations for atmos.
Thanks. Finally with your review I can decide to go monopole rather than bipolar for the surround for Atmos!
Thanks for watching! Happy to help!
I recently was able to lengthen my soundstage, and was using a pair of RP402’s for rear surrounds to make the rear sound larger than it was. I had RP160M’s as my side surrounds. Once I rotated my room to take advantage of the length, the RP160M’s were moved to rear surround duty, and the RP402’s became my side surrounds. Their bipole design helped a lot with the length of the room. Now, my side surrounds have been upgraded to the bigger RP502’s, and my rear surrounds match my front L/R being RP600M’s. I’ve noticed a big difference.
Thanks for sharing
Any difference RP402s vs RP502s ?
I have 402ses and think about changing to bigger ones.
I haven’t heard the 502s but I assume a bit better bass performance and possibly a bigger sound overall.
Interesting insight , I never picked up those sounds , My attention was always on the thud of the bullets on the bulletproof screen !!
That was a brilliant use of Mega Blocks!
I have a question. Is the overall experience less immersive when you can pinpoint which speaker the sound is coming from? Does it take your attention off the screen? I ask this because I remember my first 5.1 experience. It was The Lion King. I was in the theater, and a bird or something made a noise beside me, and I turned my head to look, and I was taken out of the film experience.
Very useful video, I'm having the Klipsch RP8000F and i'm surround sound to build a 5.1 in my small apartment and I didn't know the difference between these.
Fun fact.. the James Bond scene with the bells and the shooting from the one eye villain is my reference scene to test out settings/speakers/placement...
Damn this scene is so crisp and vivid and tense.. So now i know i'm on the right track.. Thanks my friend.. Liked and subscribed 😁😁
Thanks for watching and subscribing! 😁
Very clearly explained thank you, time to put my old dipole speakers up for sale!
I did the same test with my Back Surround and found that I opted for direct radiating speaker as well. It’s just had more noticeable sound affects from behind. I gave up my dipole/bipole speakers for surround as well
Thanks for sharing!
Thank you for the video, i was going to upgrade my atmos speakers and was thinking about getting a set of those surround speakers but now i know to keep the bookshelf speakers
Glad I could help 🙂
Very informative and I can't wait to try out this movie on Prime. They have Atmos movies and this is one of them. Never new the difference of a di-pole and bi-pole until your video. Thanks!!!!!!
Thanks for watching!
'Main listening position' cracks me up. What if you have friend or two? I don't own a dedicated theatre room. 😢 😭
I call my room 'regular/normal'.
This was an absolutely excellent demo of trying to place an Atmos object in space. But you didn't give thoughts about the atmospheric abilities of these designs. When a diffuse sound is actually *desired* like providing a sense of scale then is a monopole a bad thing? Perhaps the best of both worlds might be the triaxial design?
OMG! Legos…So great! I bought direct radiating and they’ve been great. AND this question was still in my mind. Thank for clearing this up!
Thanks! Don’t forget to share the videos! 😁
I have seen this same comparison in several other videos, and the result is the same - use directional, not bipolar, and certainly not dipolar for your L+R surrounds. - Thanks - Cheers!
Thanks!
Enjoy your videos. As for me and my setup, I prefer the more diffuse sound that the dipole/bipole speakers provide.
Enjoying the diffuse sound makes sense. You don’t want to know where the speakers are! Thanks for sharing! 😁
@@HomeTheaterHobbyist Thanks for the great content 👍
I actually have both Klipsch Speaker and was wondering which one goes where ... Thanks! I can now tell Great Video 🌟👍🌟👍
Thanks for watching!
I'm subscribing your channel right now. Man.. you just helped me a lot.
Thanks for the sub!
Awesome video and loved that you pointed out specific scenes
Thanks
Great video !! I’m using def tech sr 9080 bipolar for surround back and side .. I would like to replace with monopole ones .. and would like to place the sr9080 as 4 height speakers.. which surround u recommend to replace with ? Does it be timber matched one ? Fronts are def tech bp9080x and center is paradigm prestige 55c …
Very nicely explained! I praise for a great improvisation with Mr. Rabbit, as an illustrative listener of the audio system 🤗👍🏼😁
Many thanks! 😊
Hi,
What I found missing in the video is when one should use the diffuse sound surround speakers? You show only their disadvantages, without any advantages.
That’s true. The purpose of this video was to determine the best speaker for 3D sound. I wasn’t highlighting surround speaker advantages/disadvantages, that could be a topic for another video.
You are correct. But, several other people have made comments that provide some additional information based on their knowledge and/experience. I usually try to read some of the comments to gain additional incite. You can usually tell those that have actual knowledge and those that are BS. Overall, this was an excellent video presentation!
Thanks for video. Please your recomendation - if i seat near rear wall and not have place for rear surround - better klipsch 500 bookshelfs ore 502 bipole for 5.1?
So I usually watch peoples videos at 1.5 speed yours i need to watch at 1,25 times speed so that means there is just a lot of content in what you're saying. i appreciate this. lots of content and details are great as many youtubers just talk and do not have enough useable content for my taste. keep it up just at 1.25 speed though :)
Thank you 🙏🏾! That means a lot! I strive to make sure the videos are actually informative. 😁
@@HomeTheaterHobbyist Yup just turned on the BELL TOO also you the Elan guy and Andrew Robinson have my bell turned on. Keep up the good stuff!
Truly the best surround explanation video
Thank you! 👍🏾
I'm in the process of buying, very helpful
Excellent video. I'm in the market for a Dolby Atmos soundbar system. Leaning towards the Nakamichi 9.2.4, but I've found that it's actually a 9.2 system, with the option to configure the satellites as height channels. I can play with a 9.2 or 7.2.2 or 5.2.4. I was debating between using the rears as rears or rears pointing up, or using the side surrounds as height channels. I thought that, as my couch is against the rear wall, having side surrounds pointing directly at me would do more than rears that are just barely behind me in the corners. This video helped me quite a bit in deciding on that!! Cheers.
Happy to help! 😁
What would you see as a good use case for the dipoles?
Hi mate, excellent review and an eye opener for me. Question, how does the Reference Premiere RP-500SA II work as surrounds compared to RP-150 (or 500M).. I'm kinda leaning toward RP-500SA as my surrounds. I'm coming from the excellent Q acoustic 2020 series (served me well for 12 years). Welcome other opinions as well. Thanks in advance peeps.
I haven't tried them but I assume they would work well. There's not a lot of cabinet volume so the bass may not be super impressive but it should work as a surround.
I've been looking for this explanation and understanding of what surround speakers I should get. Thank you.
Thank you for watching and commenting!
Question, So i bought the 7.1 Klipch Ref26FA 7.1 Home system... Paired it with SONY STR -AN1000. Is this a true 7.1 beacuse the towers have tech two speackers in each tower? Can i add two more book shelfs to this or would that not work>? thanks love the channel
Very nice informative video. Have the direct one, was debating on the other di pole but I'll stick with what I have. Thanks
Thanks for watching and commenting!
Thank you for the very informative video. Also love your demeanor very easy to listen to. Thanks for the great video.
Thanks for watching! Don’t forget to share the videos! 😀
I was thinking on switching my Polk fxia4 for something else. Don’t get me wrong I like them a lot but the audio it’s not much coming out.
I like how you explained it. It made more sense to me now. I love how you use the big lego blocks. Thank you for making this video. New subscriber here.
Thanks for watching and subscribing! 😁
Thanks man! Great video, great explanation, and I love the Lego mac daddy setup! lol My 7.2.4 system uses direct radiating speakers from GoldenEar and it sounds damn fine, but I always wondered about the di/tri-pole surrounds. Again, thanks for doing the hard work. Cheers, Craig.
Thanks for watching!
Excellente! Very informative and detailed. Awesome vid my man. 👏🏾
Thanks
Thanks for that explanation I have a few questions let’s say I wanna get the rp500m for surrounds the gen 2 are more than double the price and the gen 1 are cheap would it make a huge difference to have different gens for surrounds or can I save some money and get the gen 1
Nice video. My concerns would be:
First, you define a "main listening position", but shouldn't it be more a "main listening area"? How does your conclusion stands when you have several listerner? Would the monopole still soon the best to all positions?
Second, you have chosen in your exemples very specific events, where you want clear positioning of the sound. Is that always wanted? How about ambient sounds? They still exist in the Atmos format, right? Aren't you sacrifiying the ambient effects (that you should not be able to localize) for getting correct positioning of objects?
Good questions. 🙂 Here are my responses:
1. Yes, the results should hold up for the main listening area as long as a multi-seat room calibration has been run to adequately even the volume at the various seats through your processor AND the surround speakers are adequately spaced from the closest listener, I'd say greater than 3ft/1 meter. Inside this dimension the direct radiating speaker may be a little loud to the closest listener and a more diffuse sound is preferred. I tried sitting approximately 28 inches from the surround speaker and I noticed the direct radiating does give a little more "phantom speaker" effect than a traditional surround, but closer than 23 inches it's extremely hard to hear the effect.
2. You are correct I was looking for very specific sounds to determine which speaker handled those sounds to closely match director/audio mixer intent. Remember the director/audio mixer specifically chose to put the sound in that place, which is the point of the object based audio format. If they want an ambient sound they create an ambient sound in the mix and listen back to that sound over direct radiating speakers (if they are following the Dolby recommendations). Now to your point a traditional surround sound speaker will produce a more diffuse ambient sound compared to direct radiating and as end users we may prefer that type of sound (many people do see other comments in this section 🙂) but per Dolby instructions the mixers are supposed to create on direct radiating speakers.
Hopefully I've answered your questions! Thanks for commenting, these were very thoughtful questions. 💪🏾😁
What a fantastic video, thanks Cody! I have a follow up quest regarding the couch against the wall with surrounds left and right. If that's my setup, would you also recommend height speakers or mid left and right speakers or is going beyond a 5.1 setup not really worth it?
Great question, for that type of setup I think height speakers would probably be the most impactful. 😁
i use side surrounds that are bipole/dipole switchable. they're above and behind me and i run them in dipole mode
Sweet, who makes them? What model are they?
So using Dipoles at 90 degree's on a 5.1 is not recommended anymore? Been doing it forever, never tried a monopole because I never had a 7.1. Should I use my Dipoles as atmos and get monopoles for my sides?
Love your content and format! Quick question for clarity, the 1723s has the jumper on the rear to remove for direct fire out the front woofer and tweeter correct?
The jumper is for bi-wiring/ bi-amping which allows the user to send dedicated power to woofers and tweeter.
Thank you for the info. In case of Arendal which direct radiating speaker should I use for side surrounds?
The bookshelves either 1961, 1723S, or 1723.
Great video, really enjoyed it. Rock on, Cody.
Thank you 🙏🏾
Fantastic video.. in the process of building a home theater right now. This video is very informational. Thanks for outlining how six Atmos speakers would work.
Happy to help
Small room have the 5. 1 should i get a pair of back speakers or do i have enough. Thanks for sharing.
If your seat is against the wall rears probably aren’t worth it. That’s my opinion anyway. 😁
Thank you. I imagine that sometimes you want the sound to be more diffuse, right? Isn't the point to Atmos to not be able to tell where the sound is coming from?
Yes, there are times when a more diffuse sound is preferred such as sitting close to a surround speaker but Atmos is trying to pinpoint sounds in the sound field so a direct radiating speaker is better for that.
Thank for the info, It really helped with my speaker decision
Happy to help!
This was very informative and now I know what speaker I will get for my surround channels.
Thanks for watching!
Hey man. Great video. Just curious do you know if the Arendal Surrounds can be mounted on top of speaker stands? I'm looking at the Monoprice Monolith stands.
They don’t have any mounting holes on the bottom if that’s what you mean.
Well done! Great explanation, although I already have the Klipsch R-402s for my surrounds, but I also have a pair of Polk audio direct speakers that my going to use to see the difference between the two. I’ll be sure to let you know what I think afterwards. Once again, great job!
Awesome! Definitely let me know your results, I’m curious.
What do you think it is the best after your comparison?
What a great explanation!
Fantastic video my brother. The table diagram was great. Please continue doing what you're doing.
Suggestions:
Right now I'm running 6 inceiling Polk RC 80's (2 front, 2 mid, 2 rear), Def Tech 9080 CT and HSU sub. Most times I run 5.1.2. I'm considering using my in-ceiling as Atmos and running stand speakers around my room. I want to run this through an Onkyo RZ-50. Would you recommend this receiver? What stand speakers would you suggest? Thanks in advance for your time and effort.
Nice setup and thanks for watching! I think the Onkyo will work but I can't "recommend" it because I haven't tried it personally. A quick peek at the specs, I think will work great and if you have the opportunity to get a separate power amplifier for the front sound stage (Left, center, right) you could have an even better experience, I discuss that here: ruclips.net/video/fq8of0WkjCk/видео.html
The RZ-50 has pre-out connections so it would be easy to add an amplifier, I show the method here: ruclips.net/video/T5jIBWow3A8/видео.html
Hopefully this helps! 😁 Enjoy!
@@HomeTheaterHobbyist you are a blessing my brother. Thanks.
I was thinking about doing a 9.4.4 in the new house, I was going to do two towers, a center, two sets of dipole’s, and one set of bookshelves. I was also told that I could use dipole’s as my Atmos speakers, would you recommend this foray of speakers? Thanks
Great question, I wouldn't use dipoles as Atmos speakers because height effects are very directional (think airplanes flying overhead) and dipoles will diffuse the effect. Hopefully this helps.
Just I agree with your assessment, however there's a slight disclaimer. You can disable the diffusion speakers on the Arendal surround speaker, according to the speaker specifications. You have the option to make it a direct firing speaker.
My question is, do you need 6 Atmos speakers to achieve the effect you're speaking of? I'm looking to purchase a Trinov processor in the near future to improve my theater system.
The amount of height speakers is dependent on your room size & seating design (just like your base level speakers). Minimum should be four though. You are correct about the Arendal speakers.
Great question! You don’t need 6 overheads to experience a good atmos mix, 4 will work fine.
@@doublet147 I just purchased 11 of them and I'm going to power them with two Monolith 7x200. Since I purchased two height channels for the front, I'm going to pull the trigger on two Revel in ceiling Atmos speakers since they have similar sound characteristics.
I'm just upgrading everything and wasn't sure if the Atmos channels are independent from each other. I'm really excited to hear what the Trinov sounds like on Arendal speakers.
@@HomeTheaterHobbyist yeah, I only have two height channels and now two Revel Atmos are coming. I'm going the separates direction. It's 11 channels with 2 subwoofers and now 2 Atmos. The two height channels in the front will be converted to play on the other 2 Atmos channels. So in total there will be four Atmos speakers.
@@JohnARobinsonJr that should sound great. Trinnov processing is amongst the best. I have two height (front) & two in ceiling speakers for atmos. I like the imaging. I'm sure you will too. Just make sure you have some acoustic treatments to get the most out of your system & room.
For me the question is, when will it all be wireless, at least the rear speakers, I don't want to run wires all around/to the sides/back of my room.