“Mouth Tape Cured My Sleep Apnea!” 🥴
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- Опубликовано: 6 фев 2023
- Mouth taping can work wonders but can it fix sleep apnea? Scott from Essential Craftsman has trust in his apple watch and sleep app but is that trust misplaced?
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Your channel is awesome! FYI...I'm here in Detroit, Michigan...last week, I finally received my Philips recall CPAP replacement. Its a "Recertified" Dreamstation. Its been 16 months since I submitted. In the meantime, I bought a Resmed Airsense 11 and Resmed AirMini for travel (per your recommendation). A HUGE HEADACHE WITH TONS OF BACK and FORTH. Thank you for bringing people together on CPAP topics!
You the man! Appreciate all you do.
I did the test Nicko recommended last night. I've been trying a mandibular advancement device and the SpO2 results looked great with my Wellue SleepU monitor (samples ever second). Well not so great when using the CPAP at 4 cm. It showed that although I was averaged 98.77 saturation, my AHI was actually 10.7! Whoah, that really made me think. It's mostly REM and positional so for tonight I'll re-test using the side sleeping backpack but what a revelation. Thank you Nicko for this tip. It just goes to show you that even with a good O2 monitor you really can't tell if you're still having apneas/hypopneas through the night.
Another great video Nicko!
Having tried several types of tape I will credit Scott for use kinesiology tape. That stuff is awesome. Cheers mate! 😊
Nice one Kath, i've never heard of it so will have to get some and try it out. Cheers mate
I recently started taping my mouth and using breath rite style nose strips. I now only need to sleep 5 hours a night a wake up feeling like a million bucks. You know how I know its getting me into REM sleep! I used to have short few second dreams... I guess because I was waking up every time I start to really fall asleep hard. Now I have these super long dreams. These dreams are like a movie. Try the combo, its been amazing for me.
I use those strips for my nose and I can tell the difference already. What tape do you recommend for the mouth?
Kinesiology tape, but with no slits, is what I’ve been using - with CPAP.
Interestingly i stumbled on one that is perfect for me first time, but didnt realise till it was out of stock and the two i have tried since aren’t quite as good. One is not quite sticky enough and is a bit stiff, the other is a bit too sticky!
So even in kinesiology tape theres slight differences so its worth trying a few.
Awesome video mate, thanks!
Cheers brother, glad you enjoyed it!
The only thing that stopped my mouth leak and cheeks puffing out was a cheap chinstrap from Amazon. The design is such that it holds my chin in place AND prevents my cheeks from inflating. I'm finally having a restful sleep after 6 months of mixed results. I'm using the chinstrap and a bit of mouth tape but it gets the job done. The tape alone didn't prevent my mouth from filling up with air as the air leaked from my nasal cavity into my mouth.
Nicko: I love your channel, especially your sense of humor (humour) and your reviews and information about all things CPAP. Thank you!
I just wanted to add that here in the USA there in a mouth tape product that's supposed to be good for mouth-breathing CPAP users. It's called SomniFix Strips. I bought some to try out but haven't tried even one yet! Too scared. Maybe tonight.... Oh, who am I kidding? 🤔
Thanks again. Your videos are now a daily requirement for me! 🙂👍
Cheers mate, appreciate the kind words. Yes i did a video on Somnifix a while back. Thanks buddy
I've been on sleep therapy for 20 plus years and probably should have been on it many years prior. One thing I was never able to conquer was mouth breathing even with chin straps and FF masks. After seeing Scott's video last summer, I bought some tape and tried it along with an O2 ring. My results were stunning. With no CPAP,, I could average 95-96% saturation with 3-4 drops below 90%. I then purchased an Airsense 10 C2C to replace my recalled Phillips unit, and my average maintained 95-96% with NO drops below 90% and the graph line is pretty flat for the entire night. I also lowered my maximum pressure from the Doctor recommended 15 to 13 and I find far few mask leaks and more normal operating pressure seems to be in the 12 range. BTW, I did consult my sleep doctor about the tape, and I'm using some 3M 1" tape that he recommended.
Your results may vary, but I'm finding that I, too, am no longer sleepy during the day and my utilization rate is nearly 100% and my numbers are excellent in my SleepHQ reports. I truly appreciate all the work by Nicko in bringing the numbers to the people. I'm a data driven person.
Hi Tim, great comment mate! Keep up the great work
Why not just use a full face mask? That is what I did after taping my mouth for about six years.
@@bradleyhalfacre7992 I do use a FF mask and have to tape. Chinstraps won't work for me.
I use a stretchy circular hairband attached with a few stitches to my headgear. I put the hairband on my chin. Holds It nicely and is soft. Works for me! With my CPAP machine with data/settings checked 2x/yr by a respiratory therapist.
I've been using cpap for over 19 years. I firmly believe that cpap has saved my life. I have only spent 5 nights out of the 19 years without the machine because of power outages or forgetting my machine on a trip. I have a ff mask but, being a mouth breather, I have always struggled with dry mouth. I got the humidifier and that enabled me to continue using the machine. In the last couple of years, I have lost 80 pounds and the dry mouth has gotten really bad even with the humidifier. I saw your video on taping and I began taping my mouth. I also made a chin strap which, with the tape, keeps my jaw in place. I also used a neti pot with saline solution to clean out my nasal cavity every night. I'm averaging 0.2-0.5 AHI each night.
Lately I've been wondering if I was ready to quit cpap. I really like your idea of the O2 meter along with dropping the pressure down to 4 and then checking the cpap report each night.
Great video! Thanks!
Have you checked out mouth wash for dry mouth or xylimelts? Also the watch isn’t real time data I have one. The oxygen saturation is a guesstimate at best and is done in minute intervals.
I know so many people that tell me their apple watches say their fine. Crazy! Sharing this now. Thanks!
I'm slightly obsessed with the Apple health app. I have to admit it's pretty awesome but i need more info if i was going to stop a medical treatment. Cheers mate
Thanks for the advice. I don't ever want to go back to not wearing my CPAP! I love it because I finally sleep well and have energy!!
You and me both. I absolutely love my CPAP therapy so much so that I have purchased two backup machines. LOL
@@BrendaMalone I got a resmed airsense 10(favorite) and a dreamstation 2 (I really dont like it as much). I'm looking for a 2nd machine too and im in no rush. but you doing well in keeping one as a back up.
Using the tape does work. I've done it exactly like the person here.
Laughing out loud as I listen to what he's saying and watch you smiling.
He reminds me of my Dad and i just loved hearing him talk tech. Legend!
Definitely agree with mouth tape. I cant use Cpap due to perforated (not deviated) septum caused by surgery to untangle my nasal passages at top of my nose. I tried taping as an experiment..it works for me. Even tried plastic "in mouth" anti snoring gadgets and they are hopeless for me. So taping is the answer and I like the tip to cut a small slit to allow for coughing. Brillianti info..thanks.
We do use mouth tape, but not in the same way as Scott.
One of my sons has REM-related sleep apnea. Treatment started by the somnologist with a Resmed Airsense 11, but it didn't work out. My son is autistic and the mask would cause too much discomfort during his sleep, which caused him to either not sleep at all or he pulled the mask off while not being aware. He only was able to keep it on for less than an hour each night.
So, the next step was a mandibular advancement device (MAD), with the exact same results. Either my son didn't sleep at all or he would take it out without being aware.
That's where the mouth-taping would come in. The combination helps keep his tongue in place, for him to breathe through his nose, and for him to be unable to pull out the MAD during his sleep. The results have been like day and night, he was no longer overly tired and his schoolwork has been improving constantly ever since.
However, we did get a clear warning from his somnologist, which is to ensure to not fully tape the mouth and to not use it at all when he has congestion. After all, mouth taping is restrictive and possibly dangerous. That's why it's never possible to use it to fully replace a PAP device or a MAD, but only should be used as a possible addition in certain specific situations.
(Edited because of grammar check incorrectly changing what I wrote.)
This is so awesome to read. My 6 year old sounds similar. What tape do you recommend?
a study found sleeping prone reduced averag aHI if 26 to ahi of 8. We need a prone mattress topper that lets you sleep on stomach with cpap mask and no back pain.
I'm subscribed to EC and like Scott a lot but I think this subject is outside his wheelhouse.
I have nightmares if I don't use my ResMed 10 at night
Well said.
Cheers Ray
I have been wearing a CPAP machine since 2007. I am going to have brain surgery for a tegmen defect caused by sleep apnea. It is very scary. I have been watching so many things because I have had every mask possible because my ramp is all the way up to 20 I am on a BiPAP machine And I was getting terrible leaks. Finally I switched over to just the nose one and I have been using the tape first time ever. I woke up with energy no dry mouth and felt alive after 16 years I’m just wondering what is this tape called that this man is using, I cannot find it. Thank you.
Do we know if there are any consumer devices which would give good data?
Going for my sleep test in two weeks. It was his videos that made things click as I watch him for his building videos. I hope almost hope the test shows I have apnea because I’ve felt terrible for over a year and everything else tests fine heart brain. But I do snore
I use 3M transpore surgical tape across my lips with the Resmed n30i nasal cushion. It works great. Just over the lips, the 1 inch roll is the perfect width. I have a full beard and mustache and would rather not lose them. That said, I've been unsuccessful with a handful of different full face masks. Just can't find one that seals over the beard. Add to that my mouth falls open when I use any type of nasal mask. I've tried chinstraps but they're all uncomfortable and slide around the beard when I move in my sleep. The tape is simple and I don't even feel it after a few minutes. The n30i is so low profile that after a few minutes of watching TV before bed you don't notice either the mask or the tape. The tape stays on all night and is relatively easy to remove in the morning or when needed. I highly recommend as an addon to CPAP and over a chinstrap if you have problems keeping your mouth closed, especially if you want the comfort of a low profile nasal mask. I should add that the Dreamwear nasal cushion is also super comfortable with this set up. Trying both I found the n30i to fit my face a little better.
This is quite a coincidence. I, too, am a Mike G, and I use the same tape with my nasal pillows for the same reason - full beard and moustache. I just peeled my tape off a few minutes ago as I just woke up, and I will point out that you WILL catch the odd hair in it when you are peeling it off, and that is not awesome. I just use a short piece of tape maybe 1-1/4" or 30mm long. It doesn't completely seal my mouth, but it stops my mouth from being able to open significantly.
I used to use chin straps (I've probably had four or five of them) and they are annoying and can give you wicked bed-head.
Two Mike G's using the same tape! I'm buying a tattslotto ticket
hey mate. Do you have a link to the tape you use please? Do you mean that you put the tape as a vertical strip over the lips, rather than horizontally covering them?
@@johnbeddoe782 I have used several kinds of tape. The 3M surgical tape is really nice but I have used regular 3M first aid bandaging tape of the variety that you might buy at a drug store, and I have tried the same stuff from Johnson and Johnson, and it works just fine. You want pretty wide stuff - like 19mm (3/4") wide. I was worried that over time it might cause stress to my lips from peeling them off every day, but that hasn't been a problem. I use a short piece, perhaps 30mm (1-1/4) long, horizontally across my lips in the center. If you try to open your mouth you can still breathe on both sides of it. First I dry my lips (important!) then I tuck the piece of tape under my moustache to try to get it as high up my top lip as reasonably possible, then when that is pressed down I close my mouth and try to compress my lips a bit, then press on the bottom half of the tape.
The tape is so profoundly better than a chin strap that I can scarcely explain it.
When I first started doing this I used to put the tape on in the bathroom with the aid of a mirror, but now I can keep the tape at my bedside and just pop a piece on without hardly thinking about it. Lovely.
@@johnbeddoe782 One last note... I don't cut any slits in it. Since it's so short you can breathe around it if you need to.
Thanks!
Hey man, thanks for generous donation. Very kind of you
I use my CPAP and have added mouth taping strips two months ago. It has effectively eliminate a lot of bloating. For that reason alone, it is worth it to me.
Awesome mate, that's great to hear! Cheers
This is what I was hoping for! I can wear the mask with no issues but I was waking up with the worst bloating issues. Trying mouth taping tonight.
I have lost about 80 pounds over the last year and a half. Stopped snoring but, after years of only breathing through my nose, I'm getting leaks at night, through my mouth, that are waking up my husband. Trying a chin strap but it slips around on the top of my head and makes my nasal pillow straps slip as well. I want to try the tape but my husband is convinced I will sufficate.
I saw the original clip a few months ago and wondered when he'd start catching some flack for it. You actually were pretty fair to him. I did not expect that! I tested my Galaxy Watch 5 pro while also wearing an 02ring. I found them to be remarkably similar in data. The watch would sometimes record a few percentage points lower than the ring, but it did record each dip more or less the same as the 02ring. I think it's about positioning (wrist versus finger) rather than actual functionality, at least in my use case. There was one element he mentioned that I did incorporate into my supplement regime with Vitamin D and Vitamin C. That's had a huge positive outcome for me. My numbers ticked up across the board whether I was wearing the cpap or not -- but not enough for me to consider ditching it. Of course, there are other benefits to both of those supplements as well.
Hey mate, i haven't seen anything on the Vit D & C. Is this a different vid? I'll have to go check it out. I don't know much about the Galaxy watch unfortunately but great to hear it's giving similar results to the O2 ring. Cheers mate
@@CPAPReviews He did a follow up video on his experience. It is approximately two months old. He puts in a ton of caveats that you might find intriguing. His overall tone in the follow up video is less emphatic. And, in a side note, he didn't mention vit c, just vit D. I must have conflated that into it.
@@jjdinanno4147 if you watch a recent video by john campbell (UK) he shows that those who have T2 diabetes actually have low Vit D levels before they got diagnosed, and when given VitD (4-8000 units a day) their diabetes glucose levels improved dramatically.
its also shown recently that high VitD levels in those with comorbities reduces hospitalisation to less than 50% when people get the kung flu thats been around a couple of yrs.
obviously i mention this because the majority of people with diabetes and osa are overweight, which also increases risks of being in hospital when infected with the miley cyrus (virus)
I was very ill and the dr couldn't figure it out. I wondered if I was sleeping with my mouth open and so tried first holding my jaw with a face support, bothered me a lot. I tried tape and it worked but wouldn't always stay on. At Dollar Tree I found foam medical tape. It sticks much better is use it vertically with small opening on the corners of my mouth, stays on. Working just fine and I sleeping all night most of the time.
I'm using my Samsung watch too. And it's making me wonder if there is something else going on. My O2 drops down to the low 80s . But not to just rely on just the data. I'm ordering a O2 monitor before I'll call my doc..
Essential craftsman is a stand up guy. I definitely trust him over you.
I did my uni honours in sleep and i’m closing in on 20 years industry experience. Have worked in 5 of the best hospital labs in Australia but i don’t care if you trust old mate and his ‘smart’ watch over me. I know he’s a ‘stand up’ guy, doesn’t mean his health advice is 🍻🇦🇺
@@CPAPReviews Well I'm sure the people who did his sleep studies were every bit as well educated as you if not more so. I'm just put off by your arrogant attitude. Maybe you should wipe that stupid smirk off your face. It's not like he didn't try cpap just to have it be a non starter and his reputation is beyond reproach.
@@CPAPReviews Well I'm sure the the medial doctors that he consulted had every bit as much experience as you, if not more and their treatment didn't work for him. What's more, I don't appreciate your smug smirk or your arrogant attitude. He's speaking from real experience and you're dismissing him. Sounds like he's on to something and you don't want people to hear about it.
I ain't dissing shit, dude! If you actually watched my channel, you'd know I'm an advocate for people doing what's best for them, but like I said, you need some real data. I ain't hating on him, but i don't want millions of my mates watching a handy man and quitting cpap because he said his watch told him so. You love your boyfriend, i get it but it's a fair call from the best in business and i stick by my advice and that is ' dont' quit cpap because a handy man told you so' . And just remember, this my channel... you're just watching it!@@torreyintahoe 💋
When I'm having rough week because I've succumbed to eating off my do not eat list because I,m mildly allergic and have set off the inflamatory process. I picked up some first aid tape a la Dr Chattergee interview with another Dr..UK I tear a one inch piece tear off a 1/8 of an inch wide and tap it vertically mid way along my lips. For a few nights works good. Except I'm sensitive to glues I use this method and nasal antisnoring tapes When I am caught away from home over night without my cpap machine. I don't snore when this happens which is good for the patient in the other bed. Now if I know I'm going g to be away for several day my machine definitely goes with me. I went away to the UK for three weeks and this worked very well for me. Mainly because I was in a moist climate in a warm autumn ie the leaves hadn't started falling yet. So I didn't have to worry about leaf mold. The next time I go though I'm going to see about getting an adaptor for there possibly from there have to see what Fisher Pakel has on offer
Feeling good does not need data
What would be the physiological reason that mouth tape alone (without CPAP to compliment it) would at least partially reduce the average events per hour being caused by the Obstructive Sleep Apnea?
So I think the mouth tape and the reasoning why it helps some people because it forces them to breathe through their nose. Breathing through the mouth can cause all kinds of issues that would be less severe if you breath through your nose only. If you can maintain breathing through the nose, it could help with snoring, sleep apnea, etc.
I'm currently reading a book right now called Breath: The New Science of a Lost Art. The author of the book goes into details about his experience and explaining how you can train to breathe better, why you should breath through your nose, etc.
Not in all cases. I have to fully tape my mouth-no slits in the tape because of the high 14 pressure I need. I am NOT a mouth breather, but the higher pressurization forces air out between even closed lips. So, your premise is not universally true.
This does work!!! You don’t have to tape your WHOLE mouth, that alone would give me a panic attack lol the small strip the size of a scotch tape, is enough to tape in the middle of your mouth just to keep your lips together. And sir can still come and you can still breathe from both sides of your mouth.😊👍
NAH, I have to tape fully, otherwise air rushes out of the corners. My pressure is hight - 14 - Yours is probably lower which is why that slit stuff works for you.
glad you did this video, just started CPAP and remember seeing this video before starting. so far happy with my cpap machine
Great stuff mate, cheers
Been on auto bi-pap for nearly 20 years. Severe level with pressures upwards of 15-18mg. I use a nasal pillow. Early on in my cpap experience, I got UP3 surgery (huge mistake). This caused me to start mouth breathing at night. Found out about taping on a cpap forum about 10 years ago. Been taping since then. At first, it scared me to do it. But I was desperate. What if I vomit during the night? Then I realized the only time I did that was when I drank, which I no longer do. So I decided to chance it.
I have accidentally forgotten to put my mask back on in the middle of the night after using the restroom. Never noticed anything until I woke up and realized the mask wasn't on. While I would not recommend taping for anyone else, it seems to work for me. So I keep doing it. I get restful sleep with AHI numbers in the .5-2.5 range. Chapstick on the lips before tape is a nice approach. Over the years, I have lost weight from 200 lbs to 150 lbs so I am no longer in the overweight category according to CDC. About every six months, I try sleeping without the cpap and tape for a couple of nights to see how it goes. But the tiredness comes back after a couple of nights and I go back to using the machine.
Apple watches don't collect enough data for sleep analysis
Yeah. The sample rate is way too low. I tried to use one for tracking exercise. It's useless.
Send Scott a ring! :)
I offered mate, no reply :(
If the O2 Ring shows the average oxygen level at 96% for the night, with the saturation time of 3 min between 90%-94% a factor of concern? My AHI reading is 3.1 on the Resmed CPAP machine.
Do you have a solution for me? I have a beard, but I like using a nasal only mask. I have mouth leak, but due to the beard I cannot use tape to keep my mouth shut. From what I've seen chinstraps don't solve the problem. What can I do? I really don't want to have a clean shaven face to use tape.
What I do like about his suggestion is the possibility I can stop waking with severe dry mouth. With that in mind, my intention is to try the tape in conjunction with my cpap machine.
Absolutely mate! He makes some great points and i'm very keen to try the Kinesiology tape also
Thanks Nicko. Any thoughts on MyoTape? (a tape ring that goes around the lips, not over them) ie, if it helps keep the mouth closed?
I haven't seen it mate but i'll check it out for sure! Cheers
I HATE my cpap machine with a passion. I can't stand anything on my face while I'm sleeping, I just can't. I've been trying for about a week now and can only tolerate it for about two hours. Every time I start to fall asleep, it wakes me up. When my mouth drops open, it feels like it's suffocating me, and I rip it off my face. If I can find an alternative, I'm definitely going to try it.
Mouth taping has worked great for me. I got an AirSense 10 a couple weeks ago and cannot make it any longer than 2-3 hours a night because of how uncomfortable it is. I just take off the mask, roll over, and sleep fine the rest of the night with my mouth taped. It's different for everybody.
Hi Jamie, thanks for sharing your experience mate! Great to hear it's working well for you
@@CPAPReviews thank you. I’m scouring your videos to make my transition into CPAP better. I appreciate your channel.
Low heart rate (Below 40) , does CPAP improve heart rate at night? Starting my CPAP next week? Thank Gene
I just got on a cpap machine. I tried that too, but the tape kept getting wet. I’m slobber too. I’m still working trying a chin strap and a nose mask. Hate the face one.
I do something similar. I use 3M micropore tape and tape it over my mouth. I don't cut slits or holes into it. I sleep with my mouth taped while I have my nasal mask on and I find I get 20% more restful sleep that way. I just have the problem of nocturia to contend with.
I also have a nasal mask but use a velcro chinstrap instead of tape.
25mm wide? I plan on trying that some time soon. I have the velcro strap but aren't a fan, only put it on after the third jab in the ribs.
Nice one John, cheers mate
I was able to basically cure my sleep apnea with mouth taping. Down from AHI 22 to 6. Confirmed by doctors in sleep lab.
I used to wake up in the middle of the night gasping for air. Not anymore! I learned about this from another fellow named Patrick McKeown, but I tape my mouth at night too and so does my aunt who learned about mouth-taping separately. I use 1/4 wide 3M Micropore Surgical Tape. I position the tape vertically over my lips (other are better off if it's placed horizontally) because that is usually sufficient to keep air from inadvertantly getting inside my mouth. I fold a pull tab on it so that it is easy to get off. As long as no air comes in through my mouth AND manage to stay on my side, I don't have breathing issues! This trick has likely added years to my life.
I wanna try this tonight, I keep waking up tired with very dry mouth
I watched this when came out, being a big fan of his channel. I was also disappointed that was making it seem like taping could replace a cpap.
He really is a stand up guy. Very traditional, does what has been working in his field, slow to adopt new tools or systems. Unfortunately that sometimes includes personal safety if it slows his workflow. I think that mindset bled over to SA treatment.
I became aware of mouthtaping from his video. I has been working great for me, but I never once considered dropping the cpap. I was all in with the machine after my first night!
I use both ResMed and tape
Thanks for watching guys, I think it's unlikely that Scott's Severe mixed apnea has been fixed by mouth taping but if he hates CPAP that much and he's feeling good about his life & sleep without it then it might not really matter anyway. Mouth taping is super popular these days and it can work wonders for CPAP users especially those who experience, dry mouth, mouth leak etc. The take home message from today's video is don't quit CPAP therapy because your apple watch says so. Cheers
As with all advice, you use what works for you and discard the rest. I was a 3 year CPAP user with bad results. I saw the Essential Craftsman video last fall and started taping my mouth and it improved my CPAP results 3 fold, getting my numbers consistently (way) under 5 AHI, and improving my comfort, stopping dry mouth, etc. I didn't give up on CPAP, but I consider this a win. And from that channel I found CPAP Reviews (Sleep HQ) which has further improved my understanding and usage of CPAP. Win-win!
That's awesome mate! You make some great points. Cheers
who are you too say that its unlikely that it fixed his sleep apnea...thanks alot for your opinion 'doctor'...
Offer to send him a ring to try to see if he is right. Might be an interesting collab.
I'm going to do that mate! Cheers
@@CPAPReviews That is great! I enjoy both of your channels a lot.
even being awake, anything lower than "8" on my CPAP feels like suffocating
Agreed - this guy isn't collecting meaningful data at a fast enough sample rate. Thanks for the video. As far as Resmed or other companies making money off your condition... Do you pay them on a monthly basis? I don't. I bought the machine, sure. But I'm not paying continuously for the privilege of using MY machine.
listening to that guy feels like listening to that orange one between 2016 and 2020 lol..
It works for me.....I don't tape my whole mouth...just a strip from nose to chin
Hey Uncle Nicko, if the reason to ditch your cpap machine is based on that you just hate having to sleep with a machine, then I think it's a very poor reason. In 2007, when I was diagnosed with Sleep Apnea, I really didn't like the idea of having to sleep with a machine, however after starting cpap therapy and sleeping complete nights with it, and waking up not feeling like death warmed up... I am truly grateful to my cpap machine 😶🌫️👍
Thanks for sharing your experience Melody, hope you're well. Cheers
Well tell me how to get use to it I tried for 5 weeks I gave up couldn’t stand it I’m so exhausted every day
I mouth tape because I'm definitely a mouth breather and my main reason is I find it hard to get a consistently good seal using FFM's and I've tried em"all so I mainly use a N20 Nasal or a P10 Pillows mask. Using Fixomull Stretch tape with those 2 masks I very, very rarely get mask leaks even at a relatively high APAP setting of 13 -17. I think if I had to use a FFM only I'd have given up early days. I think " old mate" there is absolutely kidding himself thinking he can bin his CPAP.
I used a FFM for 12 years because I mouth breath also. Tried a F & P Evora (nasal pillow/mouth six months ago. So comfortable, zero leak and events halved. Best thing ever.
Cheers for the great advice Howard. Nicko
@@adrianweir9247 I tried the Evora as well, that and several others of that type but just not for me I'm afraid
I’m. Getting a cpap machine using a resmed 11
I was told that mouth taping is not a good idea especially if you have a heart condition. I loved using the Resmed P10 nasal pillow but was worried when using the tape. A chin strap is not strong enough to keep my mouth closed so I'm using a full face mask at the moment. Any thoughts?
Full face mark is good once you get used to it, hard to start with but worth the effort.
I had my 5th apnea episode recently within the last decade where I awoke gasping for air, in the middle of the night. My doctor set up a referral to a sleep specialist and that appointment is coming up next month. Whatever the outcome of that visit, I absolutely refuse to rely on a machine to live. This is going to sound dramatic but I equate it to being on an oxygen tank for the rest of my life. I have already changed my diet and exercise habits and limiting alcohol intake. I might try this tape thing out as I have no problems breathing through my nose. I'll never resort to being prescribed a CPAP machine.
I feel sorry that you have that attitude. Be sure to have an updated will handy.
if i had to guess most people that find taping mouth with no other real changes but somehow do better then cpap may not have obstructive apnea but a deviated septum so all air through nose just immediatly leak out even though airway is clear so machine makes little difference and if pressure is to high could be worse then no mask at all if he didnt fine tune it.
Slits included, the mouth tape would "freak me out"!
CPAP made my situation way way worse. Brain fog, fatigue and all that worsened
Hi I just checked for the apple watch and heres what i found. "We have found that the Apple Watch will collect anywhere between 10-20 SpO2 measurements a night, depending on your sleep duration, activity and Watch positioning." That's useless. 7 hours sleep lest say 15 samples 2 per hour about
I tape, but only use a narrow strip of micropore tape about an inch long and 1/4" wide, placed vertically in the center of my mouth. Keeps my lips together, so my jaw doesn't drop open, and I breath naturally through my nose at night, sleep restfully and awaken feeling good.
Not a cpap user, so am not speaking to that. Just saying that you don't have to tape your whole mouth shut to get positive results.
how many of expensive machines are now collecting dust mine is for me it was a waste of $ and did not work I wish it did after seeing his video I started the tape method with the breath right strip and its works for me If the cpap works for you I am happy for you but didn't for after trying fora very long time
Tossed and turned all night was my norm....tested for apnea ...told 16 events per hour so moderate.....up to void several times per night.....snoring my wife says.....started therapy which has been a challenge but guess what....three months in now.....sleep all night on back or occassionally left side for short periods.....no getting up to void at all.....no snoring....machine always says very small ahi events....such as 1 or 2 etc. Seems to be well worth the effort to use machine nightly.....brain fog gone....much more energy....like wow....biggest issue is just getting a comfortable mask that does not leak......wife says my nights are super quiet now....educate yourself all about this therapy...make it a passion....don't expect the therapist who sells the machine to have your answers....I told mine things she didn't know about the machines.....don't give up on therapy people until you've given it several months of trial.....youtube is a wonderful place to research....good luck.
I’m on week 4 and struggling big time. Thanks for your comment, light at the end of the tunnel
Some pressure from a CPAP is always better than no CPAP, if you have sleep apnea! My CPAP has changed my life for the better. You just need to dial in the treatment and get used to it!!!
Mouth taping greatly improved my breathing and sleep quality. Classic terrifying gasping events are gone. Nasal congestion is reduced by nasal breathing. Now, even when I forget to tape, I still tend to naturally breathe nasally most of the time. However, I don't believe it totally cured SA.
Taping my mouth and changing pillows has helped me tolerate bipap, going from struggling to make 4hrs to 7-9hrs per night now. I use silicone tape for my mouth. It sticks great, can be repositioned and removes pretty much painlessly. Unfortunately I don't dream anymore. I miss that.
Which pillow did you have and which one did you switch toi?
@@agustorick1I switched to using a softer memory foam "scraps" type pillow over a firm memory foam slab type (like a memory foam contour pillow with no contours) so my mask isn't getting jammed into a hard pillow making it gap and leak, the fluffier style shifts to accommodate the mask.
Taping my mouth shut completely cured me….
I mouth tape and it’s definitely all about you feel.Try for yourself what have you got to lose.
Hey Nick. I recently got onto CPAP, in no small part thanks to your videos, and I bought the machine after renting for two weeks (an Airsense 10 Autoset). I had the option of getting a nasal mask or face mask and I went with the nasal mask. I still haven't experienced that magical refreshing sleep that some people who go on CPAP experience, and I think it might have to do with my nasal mask and the fact I have sinus problems (I take nasal sprays but it doesn't work all the time). My machine reports 1-2 AHI on average (my sleep study reported 52). But it honestly doesn't feel that way when I wake up. What could I be doing wrong?
Sometimes it takes awhile. Finding the right mask and the correct airflow is key. Your numbers seem good. I use the Dream Wear under the nose. They also have under the nose pillow. Good luck 🤙🏼
Whats your leakage? I found I wasn't sleeping as well as normal. Looked at the data, leakage was around 35 if I recall correctly. Tighten the mask about 3 "clicks" leakage at 12, much better sleep. (of course an answer from Nick beats a sample of one lol)
You're in for quite a journey good sir, and not the fun kind unfortunately. Getting used to CPAP therapy and finding out what specifically works best for you is a months long process for most people. I'm 5 months in and I'm still not fully used to it yet, but it varies person to person.
@@stusue9733 Leakage is a green smiley face.
@@JohnSmith-yt8di Pretty sure 35 liters would still give you a green smiley face but I could be wrong. You'll either need to upload your data or learn how to access clinical settings on your machine, which will let you see more data. (its a two button press, google will know)
Too much work, I use light medical tape, works perfectly. I started a few days ago, and I honestly feel well rested when I wake up!!
Apple would say the same.
wow.. taping
I'm immediately skeptical when someone touts a temporary item/application of something as a "cure". A cure, to me, implies the underlying cause for the problem was permanently removed so even if you don't have access to the item, it won't immediately come back. This isn't the case with taping, it's as much of a "cure" as taping a tennis ball to your back. Treatment perhaps, but not a cure.
WARNING if your falling asleep at the wheel or napping a lot it’s a huge red flag for heart attack I speak from experience!
Nope Nope Nope!...My sinus issues are so bad, I would literally suffocate if I couldnt be a "mouth breather" during the night....And I think he should stick to Essential crafts....
News headline "Man suffocates in his sleep after taping his mouth shut, but good thing he had his Apple Watch, it called 911 and his next of kin for him"
Mouth tape + Mewing position (suction hold) = cured my apnea that I had for years if not a decade.
what is mewing position?
I don't disagree that wrist worn devices can have low accuracy but you have to appreciate some of this from our perspective... We see for-profit sleep therapists and manufacturers like Resmed and Philips and even your O2 ring telling us that their treatment is going to solve all of our problems... at a price. (Not to mention the ongoing maintenance costs!)
Mouth taping absolutely does work. I tried it before getting my CPAP machine. And you don't need fancy tape like kinesio tape and you don't need such a huge piece covering your entire mouth and chin. I used about 3 cm of surgical tape. No need to seal your mouth shut, you just need to 'encourage' it to not open while you're sleeping.
P.S. The wrist watch monitors might not be accurate, but some of the equipment at the sleep labs is decades old (literally!) and look janky af. I doubt that they're much more accurate than an Apple Watch anyway! 😆
I hear ya mate! It's not really the accuracy that's the problem it's just the sampling rate and any pulse oximeter will give you a much higher sample rate. Doesn't need to be an O2 ring. Cheers for the great comment
Hi! So do you just use tape and no CPAP machine?
@@indygrammy Yup, before I got a CPAP machine, I tried mouth taping for a few months. Worked like a charm. I woke up less frequently overnight and actually felt noticeably better rested the next day.
I only tried CPAP when I found out that my company's insurance covered the cost and I was curious to see how well it worked.
Please do note, I am neither a medical professional nor a sleep therapy expert. My claims here are purely anecdotal. Just sharing as an FYI so that you can continue with your own research.
Does CPAP work? Absolutely, yes. I use it every night now. But if your insurance doesn't cover a $1000 CPAP machine (and ongoing replacement parts!) or you can't afford one, definitely give mouth taping a try!
@indygrammy: Forgot to mention, the obvious by-product of both mouth taping and CPAP is that you don't snore anymore. I used to snore like a freight train. 😂 If you or your hubby snore, do yourselves a favor and try taping or CPAP to save your marriage! 🤠
The problem - sleep apnea kills. I wouldn’t trust anything but the professionals.
Oura ring is better for sleep data…I tape my moth shut and I’m never below 96%
Let me think. I can risk heart issues, diabetes, a stroke using a piece of tape or I can go with the science and use a CPAP. My daughter likes having a father so I am going with the CPAP.
I wear a brevida nasal pillow mask and I have been taping (using cheap cover roll stretch tape) I has pretty much cured my mouth leaks. I'd show you the data, but SleepHQ doesn't support the F&P Sleepstyle machine! wink wink
We're doing F&P integration now mate. Won't be long. Cheers
1. Taping your mouth does not solve the throat collapse casing the apnea.
2. Skeptical of mouth taping because it case you throw up you will choke on your vomit asleep.
Thoughts?
This is the guy that got me on grifgrip tape. I've been using it for 2 months with my airtouch and it's awesome.
Edit: I also want add that I don't use as big of a piece though. I cut it long enough to cover just past both my lips and I don't cut holes I just offset it to one side. It's strong enough to keep my mouth closed and I can drink from a straw if I wake up thirsty.
Awesome mate, thanks for sharing your great insights and experience. Nicko
Another thing that he could use to measure his apnea events is the snorecircle brand sleep monitor.
It’s supposedly measure apnea and hypoxia events but does not require the pressure that a CPAP machine would.
Uncle Nico: have you experienced or experimented with that device at all? Any chance you might consider incorporating any data it provides into sleep HQ?
Or at least doing a review of it?
I own one, but have no way of determining whether it’s accurate or not. So I was hoping you might be able to play with it.
Thanks!
I think you need to figure out why you're sleeping with your mouth open in the first place. Even with CPAP, I slept with my mouth open. I went to an ENT. Had sinus surgery. I now sleep with my mouth closed.
When you tape your mouth, you do so at your own risk.
A crazy guess: he was depressed because of using a CPAP machine, then, suddenly he finds something else that "works". His accomplishment makes him feel well, and he's no longer "depressed" (he's discovered he "doesn't need a CPAP machine anymore")
His excessive daytime sleepiness was not just because sleep apnea but also because his depression. That could explain why he's feeling better but still needs some naps a week (the normal would be not naps at all).
I'm saying "crazy guess" because of course we don't have all the information to diagnose a depression and this is not the way it should be done, but mood actually plays an important role in his condition.
And it's also true that excessive daytime sleepiness is caused not just by sleep apnea but by several other diseases/circumstances.
Thanks for the analysis Nicko!!
If he's "freaking out" he's got others issues. Like central apnea and taping his mouth shut can cure them no problem ☠️
Wow, man you must work for big Pharma
Big pharma works for me