wow great vid! im sending off for my "fake " shaft! asap.....£325 v £25 for 1yard difference....no brainer....lets stop saying FAKE...instead lets say a not been RIPPED off shaft which performs almost if not better than the RIP off shaft...no wild hooks no wild slices...in fact u were straight down the middle....u hit 1 bad shot left which skewd the numbers...with the real shaft u hit the same bad shot and took it out and rehit...otherwise the FAKE won hands down......basically we golfers get ripped off by golf manufacturers...£550 for a driver...£500 for a putter.....LETS NOT SAY FAKE .LETS SAY ALMOST AS GOODBUT MUCH FAIRER PRICE...thank gary
Just watching the fake shaft. Three of the balls went straight down the middle and just about everyone seemed longer, so how are you getting these numbers? The fake shaft seem to perform better
It's the total distance is less because of the spin. The carry was actually slightly longer with the fake. Wasn't much in it for difference in cost. Wonder about durability though.
The fair look better how did you get these numbers difference was very small but for over £300 less there no problem could see the fitter could admit it was just as good
Great video ! Thank you. And for a $250 difference….Let’s be honest… out on the course you would never know the difference. Especially since the ball never lands on a perfect surface.
Is it....good god don't get near the fake stuff it's horrendous I wouldn't pay a quid for that shaft terrible thing ... Gaz is right the second hand market is scary now no idea what your buying eBay Facebook I stay away from it so many dodgy clubs out their
A word about the importance of SWINGWEIGHT. In today's brand agnostic world we buy clubs that may have similar flex and loft when putting our sets together, but, do we check to make sure that the FEEL is the same? Recently I bought a set of older TaylorMade Rescue FCT Hybrids. With the 65 gram Aldila RIP shaft. I put Jumbo Tour Velvet grips on them and then went off to the driving range. I could not make consistent contact with the ball. My swing was all over the place because they were TOO LIGHT. (swingweight about C5 or so). I then bought the Identical clubs in the TP line. (the ONLY difference being the Aldila RIP shaft comes in 85 grams). Problem SOLVED! (D2, even with the jumbo grips). I now own a Swingweight scale.
I’m so guilty of not giving swing weight enough consideration! I am 100% going back for all my clubs checking! I’ll say more in the video, but im very annoyed with brands who don’t even talk about it.
At £25 it’s obviously not real, but what if it was advertised at £200? Better if it wasn’t copying another shaft and just advertised with the actual spec of the shaft. How would it compare to a similar budget branded new or nearly new shaft?
It’s now plain to see that the OEM brands are well and truly ripping off the consumer. It isn’t a ‘fake’ shaft, it’s just a cheaper pattern part - no different to fitting non OEM parts on a car.
Better would be a blind test. To see what the real feel in difference would be like. You knew so you were looking for the negative straight out the gate
Trust me, I would of known the fake from feel, however, I am 100% going to do the next fake shaft / club test I record without knowing the fake a real! Kicking myself I didn’t do this now. Next weeks fairway wood one, won’t be done unknowingly unfortunately.
How to get the best out of your game. I found out so much watching this flog. I now have a better understanding of shafts.This is very much appreciated. Great content Gary. Thanks. Cheers
You know how to prevent the counterfeit market? Lower the goddamn price on the genuine products. If the real shit wasnt so damn expensive, and prices were reasonable like $250 for a driver, people wouldnt be so enticed by the fakes a d we would virtually eradicate the counterfeit market all together. But golf industry is a scam even the good guys and they overcharge you for what costs them pennies to make.
Can’t argue with anything you’ve said. I’ve never purchased fake golf equipment to use in my personal bag, but I have bought other fake items in the past due to cost.
Interesting test Gary.....it seems to us the viewer that both shafts worked for you even though the fake felt different 🤔..it does throw up two thoughts though... that with practice we can make any shaft work and second how important it is to get a proper fit for clubs.... I cannot believe how many new golfers won't get "fitted" and then wonder why they can't use the clubs.. you need to give yourself a fighting chance and at least if you get properly fitted then you can't blame the tools... together with a few lessons to show you how to use the clubs will at least hugely benefit you, I believe that one goes with the other..... anyway Gary not letting you get away with it "G E T F I T T E D" 🎊🌟🥳🤩
All I can do is share the results, and how I felt, the conclusion is always going to be subjective, and open to debate depending on on the level of golfer, and budget.
I think if you are a new golfer... your swing will change over the course of time... especially between the start of the season and the end of the season. I agree about lessons... but even then... you aren't going to master a swing... so getting fitted probably should be done after, 1. you love the game and can see yourself playing for years... and 2... you swing finds that consistency groove... which is both a blessing and a curse.
Got to keep the golfing industry safe not interested in benefiting the people who don’t have the money this test proved the mainstream are ripping us off
Look forward to the workshop visit ,its a black art on building clubs. You should get 2 x 7 irons with same set up same shaft and heads , but he can make them feel very different. Ask him for his thoughts on puring of shafts
Tour AD I shafts are legit! I want one for my Mizuno STX 230. I tried it when I bought mine and it was amazing. But $300 more is high. I'm sure it is worth it. The feel is unlike anything stock. Compares to the Ventus upgrades.
That would be good. After our first encounter with fake shafts, the only one tip I could give for anybody going down that route is order one flex stronger than you’d normally buy.
As a longtime clubmaker and player, I earned two things about swingweight. First, even the top quality brands can have significant variances in the swingweight throughout their iron sets, leading to performance issues/differences. Second, in matching up a club set, I always measure the swingweight with the grips OFF. Grips can vary in weight, thus skewing the result. BTW - did your fitter have a torque measurer? Curious about the variance.
I love the video, maybe should’ve done the test blind to eliminate any bias and actually don’t match the swing weight because many people don’t that the knowledge or even inkling to do that. Also raised a big concern about second hand private market. Paying 25 quid for a shaft then selling it for 3-4 times the amount is easily done
I agree with them points actually. It’s the first time I’ve ever compared fake Vs real. I’ve already recorded one more, but I’ll certainly take your points on board moving forwards 🔥
Adjust the head to take the additional spin off and figures for the two would be similar. Doesn't it come down to which feels better...and a couple of hundred pounds.
Great video guys, you could have thrown a tea towel over the first three shots with the fake shaft, did you deliberately mis the last 2 ? I'll be visiting Sam soon too sort out my pxg black ops shaft Cheers Garry B in Manchester UK
I had a UST Helium nanocore shaft that felt like what you said the fake felt like. It was in Regular flex, but in the tip section it was very flexy. It never worked well for me. I don't think it was a fake shaft, but it's hard to tell.
Very good content, it highlights a lot of what's going on with people with bad intentions. They buy the cheap stuff and then sell it for a profit on EBAY or other similar sites. You think you got a deal but the reality is you bought a counterfeit and got shafted.
I would like to see some controlled shape shots like low draw or high fade. I certainly wouldnt buy one and can see the concern buying a pre owned driver with one fitted.
It wasn’t. It was higher spinning , one yard less in carry, and about ten yards less in total distance. This did flatter the fake, as these numbers would separate more into a wind. Most importantly thought, i was a surprise I got the first three so straight as I felt like I didn’t know where the head was, you can’t show feel with numbers, but if you could, they were miles apart.
Funny that changing the weight changes center of gravity and spin. Seems like that would be more important than swing weight since swing weight is just preference. Last shot on fake was bad but didn’t rehit and the original shaft was about .25-.5 inch longer. This whole thing seems like a waste of time that I can’t get back.
@@garymartingolf no but you’d be hitting it lower intentionally. This is a test with everything neutral the fake had a better ball flight. Maybe play them on course and see the real world difference. Ask any fitter 14 degrees is optimal launch with driver. Spin is a little high but only a couple hundred rpm.
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Seems the shafts are of comparable build but the ingredients aren't the same. I'd never know as most wouldn't. I'd certainly not enjoy being pissed on by buying a fake thats supposed to be the real thing though.😮 Those KBS tour black nickel shafts are looking mighty fine at 85 scrill a set.
You need a proper fitting. The way you hit that fake shaft makes me think a slightly softer shaft might suit you better anyway. Even though the spin was slightly higher, you hit it generally straighter and with a bit more carry. It was only roll out that made the real one be longer, in wetter conditions you won't get that rollout and a flatter flight is not as advantageous. Plus softer doesn't always mean less stable, some of the high end ladies shafts have very low torque but are extremely soft. Go back to Sam again and test some different flexes from Ladies all the way through to X stiff in some high end shafts but in your own driver head and see where you end up.
I totally agree! I mentioned to Sam, I don’t feel like any fitter has ever listened to me, they always fit me on numbers, rather than listening to me. I always end up with a club that feels like a pole! I am going back down 👍🏼
@@garymartingolf There are enough different heads, lofts, shaft flex, shaft stiffness, swing weights, grips and club length options to be able to get to equipment that gives the right numbers but also the right feel, and the right feel is important, if you don't like how your clubs feel you're never going to feel like you can hit it perfect every time, even if the 'numbers' said you should.
I keep hearing about the "superior performance" of the real $350 shaft versus the $25 shaft in this video. The bottom line was I saw literally no difference whatsoever. I mean seriously, a 1 yard difference in carry ?!?!?!? Dispersion was very close. If you really want to point out possible differences put the shafts in a frequency analyzer, preferably a Mitchell golf Digiflex 2.0. Then robot test the shaft at a club head speed rated for that shaft. Post up dispersion and distance variables. So untill we go down that road I'm going to need that link to purchase these.........
The reason why we put the data on the screen is for everybody to see the results, there’s nothing to hide, if you want one, go get one off Ali Express. My conclusion is, the shaft is crap, because I wouldn’t sacrifice feel, I’d rather use a stock shaft, but if you like the numbers and don’t care too much about feel, go for it. I really don’t know what you expect sometimes, all I ever give is my honest feedback, I couldn’t give two hoots about anything else apart from that.
@@garymartingolf I guess I would agree it's crap if it was 20 yards shorter and 50 feet offline but I just didn't see it.Also for statistics outcome you shouldn't have been able to know which one you had before starting the test. Once you knew it was the fake and started waggling it and saying it was unstable you had developed a preconceived notion that it was going to perform badly. You skew the results of a test by knowing the placebo.
sorry but this video does not make sense.You shouldnt have told that guy that one of the shaft was fake.He is a professional and obviously, regardless if the fake is good or bad, he has a negative bias from the beginning towards the fake
They were trying hard to diss the fake, yet ball after ball it played better for him. Seems like he needs a softer higher torque shaft, regardless of who makes it.
I’ve done this before and it last about 12 swings before it snapped … I do swing it’s 122mph on average but the fake one was good till it snapped in the handle
Looking at how the balls flew, I could not really discern a great deal of difference. You hit both shafts pretty well, and they all ended up very playable. I don't know if a mid to high handicap golfer could really tell the difference. Moreover, as someone here has pointed out, the best test would be double-blind, where no one knows which shaft they are using until the test is over. Perhaps a pro or very low handicap golfer might be able to detect differences, but again the real problem here is bias. You really need to control for that to be sure.
Deffo not 300 pounds worth of difference according to the numbers. And if it wasn't for the last shot with the cheaper shaft dispersion was way better.
To be fair there wasnt to much difference in carry and tital distance. The big difference is the price difference and how durable the fake one is. Although you could replace it several times over 😂
Funny I had a Tour ad shaft in my driver last season. Absolutely hated it, way too much spin. I've got a tensei white now and it's a million times better!
Just like most commenters. One go a couple of meters shorter and definitely more consistent for a tenth of the cost and the consensus is dont buy them? I'm not sure that there is as much honesty there should be? Is it because you guys get them without having to spend money? 200 pound to you is 400 dollars where I live. That's about 700 before tax or about all my spare cash for three to four weeks. = car insurance for 6 months, 3 months electricity or my fuel bill for 3 to 4 weeks. That's a massive saving for a couple of meters!
We haven’t suggested you go and buy a 400 dollar shaft, you could get a Real $99 shaft to feel nicer than this fake. The results are there, is you don’t care about feel, and you only care about numbers, go for it. There is 100% honesty, we don’t get a bean from any brands, and if you think otherwise, ta tar
@garymartingolf I get that. But you also haven't given credit go the factvthis thing is actually value for money for someone who wanted consistency. Seems this thing was def more consistent than the big dollar spend if what I just watched was correct? I'm not taking a personal shot. Merely making an observation. The best fishing knot breaks consistently at a breaking strain and is the easiest to tie. The best club can be the one that gives consistent distance and accuracy (if it's in the ball park). Sometimes name products are over priced. Sometimes we should call them out? I'm not suggesting it's ethical to pass something off as fake by any means, I'm saying thatbthe b evidence presented didn't reflegtbtge opinion given.
I agree, if you’re a casual golfer, you can make it work. You’d maybe just order one flex stiffer than normal to give it a stronger tip and less torque.
@garymartingolf the big question is how long until the fake heads become close to or on par with the genuine ones? I can understand the fake driver heads my never be due to the high quality materials used in the genuine ones but it may be a little different for irons in a few years. It also begs the question? Is most of the price in a golf club just down the brand name?
People who are interested in golf shafts, and are prepared to pay £200+ for a shaft are generally curious about the FEEL!… How can you review a shaft without discussing its feel? We’ve shown the results, you can see it performs well, what more do you want.
I’m not going to get into a debate with you. I’m the only RUclipsr that has ever given credit to a fake item because I couldn’t give two hoots about anybody but my subscribers so you can think what you want, but the shaft feels Shiite! 😅
This shows the real shaft is way over priced for extra 1 yard carried distance. To be fair we don't know the durability if the fake one. Might not last a season😂
Has anyone ever encountered fake nippon zelos shaft? Just bought a used iron set, head looks legit... But somehow the shaft looks off. The paint of the brand and other marking a bit smeared.
What you have to factor in is, it's a five yard loss (give or take) for Gary in these conditions, but if you're already a pretty spinny player and you add this shaft in and in not ideal conditions then it's quickly going to turn into a nightmare.
Since the shafts look identical, it would be perfect to set up a double-anonymized procedure over a few days so that you could gather sufficient data to run statistical tests to see if there would be any significant differences. Just scanning your limited data here, I see everything so close that I am not convinced one stands out as superior. As has been pointed out in other remarks here, you failed to control for your own bias. Since you know which shaft is the most expensive, you may have already concluded that it is superior to the cheaper one. It would help if you found a way to eliminate that bias and let the data speak instead. Throughout the Internet and especially on YT, I see content creators doing these cursory tests, hitting a few shots, and almost always the more expensive brand wins. If your aim is to be scientific then it requires that you use well established procedures and results to be confident in your conclusions.
I do like the idea of playing out on the course with the fake shaft and I will be as I’m in the process of building a full bag of fake equipment. Iyou watch more of my content, reviews and comparisons, you will soon see there is never ever bias. I’ve quite often praised faked equipment, but in the case of this shaft, the flex, feel and torque was clearly not true to the real version. As we said, the results, they were great, but I think that was more down to my ability to adapt to the softer feel. In conclusion, it wouldn’t play consistent to the feel of all the other clubs in my bag and therefore I couldn’t play that shaft, and I would worry that less skilled golfer would struggle to adapt and they would lose control. Anyway, we will see, all this will be tested in the future once we’ve got a full bag setup.
Hardly any difference between them and certainly not £300 more 😂. Utter bollocks this Gaz you hit that fake one the same and it should’ve been a blind test cos I guarantee you would not have known which was which. £300 and it was 3 yards better 😂
The next fake shaft test I will one hindered percent swing blind fold, and I know I’ll tell, the feel is so obvious which is the most stable. I agree, the data and results aren’t bad, but they don’t compare on feel which I couldn’t get used to. I do agree, maybe someone in regular flex, a softer swinger, wouldn’t feel the torque so much, so for them, it could be better.
So bro all over the map with the real shaft. Gets the fake one, says I feel like I have no control…. Yet during his comments Stripes 3in a row!! Sorry. But this seems a little Shitty to say I have no control. So with control you’re not down the middle???? Having said that. Fake is fake. And I wouldn’t buy. But this video really isn’t help state that case boys… But,, Good Job,,,, I… Guess lol!!
What do you want me to tell you in feels like? If it feels like it has no control, but goes straight, buy it then. I’m not going to tell people it feels solid, if it doesn’t.
Prank guys? Talking down the shaft that is clearly performing much better. 😂 No way you would use the 1st over the 2nd shaft on the last hole at Augusta. No shame in saying the more lively shaft like your own gamer suits your swing better.
I wouldn’t use the fake shaft at a council course, never mind Augusta. All my videos feedback is with integrity, I couldn’t give two hoots which product, fake or real is best, I’ve not affiliation to anyone.
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wow great vid! im sending off for my "fake " shaft! asap.....£325 v £25 for 1yard difference....no brainer....lets stop saying FAKE...instead lets say a not been RIPPED off shaft which performs almost if not better than the RIP off shaft...no wild hooks no wild slices...in fact u were straight down the middle....u hit 1 bad shot left which skewd the numbers...with the real shaft u hit the same bad shot and took it out and rehit...otherwise the FAKE won hands down......basically we golfers get ripped off by golf manufacturers...£550 for a driver...£500 for a putter.....LETS NOT SAY FAKE .LETS SAY ALMOST AS GOODBUT MUCH FAIRER PRICE...thank gary
So true, at this point we're paying for Rory and Rahm's salaries.
Just watching the fake shaft. Three of the balls went straight down the middle and just about everyone seemed longer, so how are you getting these numbers? The fake shaft seem to perform better
That were just the numbers, I really didn’t care which one won, that’s the beauty of being impartial.
It's the total distance is less because of the spin. The carry was actually slightly longer with the fake. Wasn't much in it for difference in cost. Wonder about durability though.
The fair look better how did you get these numbers difference was very small but for over £300 less there no problem could see the fitter could admit it was just as good
Great video ! Thank you. And for a $250 difference….Let’s be honest… out on the course you would never know the difference. Especially since the ball never lands on a perfect surface.
Looks like you got the right shaft with that fake one. Your shots were way better for the 1st 3
Sam is one of the best in the business. Very knowledgeable and I’m so pleased to see his business go from strength to strength 👌🏻
First time I’d met him, I’ll be back soon! ⛳️
Never thought about fake shafts before. I knew there are fake heads. This is eye opening! Thanks Gary for another great video
For 1/10 the cost of the real one it's pretty good.
I mean, it would be good to test against a £50 shaft.
Is it....good god don't get near the fake stuff it's horrendous I wouldn't pay a quid for that shaft terrible thing ... Gaz is right the second hand market is scary now no idea what your buying eBay Facebook I stay away from it so many dodgy clubs out their
A word about the importance of SWINGWEIGHT. In today's brand agnostic world we buy clubs that may have similar flex and loft when putting our sets together, but, do we check to make sure that the FEEL is the same? Recently I bought a set of older TaylorMade Rescue FCT Hybrids. With the 65 gram Aldila RIP shaft. I put Jumbo Tour Velvet grips on them and then went off to the driving range. I could not make consistent contact with the ball. My swing was all over the place because they were TOO LIGHT. (swingweight about C5 or so). I then bought the Identical clubs in the TP line. (the ONLY difference being the Aldila RIP shaft comes in 85 grams). Problem SOLVED! (D2, even with the jumbo grips). I now own a Swingweight scale.
I’m so guilty of not giving swing weight enough consideration! I am 100% going back for all my clubs checking! I’ll say more in the video, but im very annoyed with brands who don’t even talk about it.
Great fitting Sam, very knowledgeable guy fitted my driver recently with great results.I will definitely visit again soon 😀⛳️.
I guess for the elite golfer this kind of stuff makes a difference but for the average club amateur then save your £300.
Dead right clearly there no pion on this evidence pay £300 plus
At £25 it’s obviously not real, but what if it was advertised at £200? Better if it wasn’t copying another shaft and just advertised with the actual spec of the shaft. How would it compare to a similar budget branded new or nearly new shaft?
It’s now plain to see that the OEM brands are well and truly ripping off the consumer. It isn’t a ‘fake’ shaft, it’s just a cheaper pattern part - no different to fitting non OEM parts on a car.
Better would be a blind test. To see what the real feel in difference would be like. You knew so you were looking for the negative straight out the gate
Trust me, I would of known the fake from feel, however, I am 100% going to do the next fake shaft / club test I record without knowing the fake a real! Kicking myself I didn’t do this now.
Next weeks fairway wood one, won’t be done unknowingly unfortunately.
When I started playing you had a choice of flexes and that was it! 😂
Good point 😂
When I started playing you could get any flex you wanted as long as it was in steel.
How to get the best out of your game. I found out so much watching this flog. I now have a better understanding of shafts.This is very much appreciated.
Great content Gary.
Thanks.
Cheers
Thanks John. Swing weight was a hugh eye opener for me, and you will see this even more in next weeks video on the fake fairway wood Vs real ⛳️
maybe next time dont let him know which shaft is which until after he hits them both. Then it would be a fair comparison with no bias.
You know how to prevent the counterfeit market? Lower the goddamn price on the genuine products. If the real shit wasnt so damn expensive, and prices were reasonable like $250 for a driver, people wouldnt be so enticed by the fakes a d we would virtually eradicate the counterfeit market all together. But golf industry is a scam even the good guys and they overcharge you for what costs them pennies to make.
Can’t argue with anything you’ve said. I’ve never purchased fake golf equipment to use in my personal bag, but I have bought other fake items in the past due to cost.
Top show mate, great comparison, keep them coming.
Thanks 👌🏼
Interesting test Gary.....it seems to us the viewer that both shafts worked for you even though the fake felt different 🤔..it does throw up two thoughts though... that with practice we can make any shaft work and second how important it is to get a proper fit for clubs.... I cannot believe how many new golfers won't get "fitted" and then wonder why they can't use the clubs.. you need to give yourself a fighting chance and at least if you get properly fitted then you can't blame the tools... together with a few lessons to show you how to use the clubs will at least hugely benefit you, I believe that one goes with the other..... anyway Gary not letting you get away with it "G E T F I T T E D"
🎊🌟🥳🤩
All I can do is share the results, and how I felt, the conclusion is always going to be subjective, and open to debate depending on on the level of golfer, and budget.
I think if you are a new golfer... your swing will change over the course of time... especially between the start of the season and the end of the season. I agree about lessons... but even then... you aren't going to master a swing... so getting fitted probably should be done after, 1. you love the game and can see yourself playing for years... and 2... you swing finds that consistency groove... which is both a blessing and a curse.
Got to keep the golfing industry safe not interested in benefiting the people who don’t have the money this test proved the mainstream are ripping us off
Look forward to the workshop visit ,its a black art on building clubs. You should get 2 x 7 irons with same set up same shaft and heads , but he can make them feel very different. Ask him for his thoughts on puring of shafts
I’ve put this into my notes for the next time I visit! That would be a great video! Identical build, one pured, one not!
Sam Smith is looking way better since giving up music in favour of golf. Good on him!
Sam really knows his stuff, great information about swingweight
Can’t wait to go back for a fit 👌🏼
your supposed to be getting rid of golf kit not buying more shafts. lol
Bought a shaft from Sam last year highly recommended, great bloke to do business with
Tour AD I shafts are legit! I want one for my Mizuno STX 230. I tried it when I bought mine and it was amazing. But $300 more is high. I'm sure it is worth it. The feel is unlike anything stock. Compares to the Ventus upgrades.
Great video Gaz. Got fitted for a Tour Ad a while ago by Callaway the stability is unreal compared to the off the shelf stock shafts.
I never thought I’d pay £300 for a shaft, but after trying some, I’m going back down for a fit! Unreal difference!
Give me first refusal when you sell it on for a fraction in 6 months 😜
I saw no real difference in distance or dispersion. You can keep your eye-wateringly expensive shaft, I'll not be buying!
I love this type of video Gaz and I would still love to see you film with Jason at Club champion/golf principles, top top video Gaz
We’re starting to get further afield. It won’t be long before all these things will be possible 🤞🏼
@@garymartingolf channel is going from strength to strength mate
Would like to see the fake shaft vs a non velocore / non TR ventus to see if it is the same or an improvement.
That would be good. After our first encounter with fake shafts, the only one tip I could give for anybody going down that route is order one flex stronger than you’d normally buy.
Awesome remember Sam from Trent Lock golf and country club Lovely chap
Yeah, really good 🤌🏼
Nice video , fake shaft looked legit , I might get one … just something else I’d be able to blame on my bad shots 😂😂😂
Get that fake shaft gamed... best bunch of drives I've ever seen you hit 😅
Ahahah 🤣🤣😂😭
As a longtime clubmaker and player, I earned two things about swingweight. First, even the top quality brands can have significant variances in the swingweight throughout their iron sets, leading to performance issues/differences. Second, in matching up a club set, I always measure the swingweight with the grips OFF. Grips can vary in weight, thus skewing the result. BTW - did your fitter have a torque measurer? Curious about the variance.
You added weight in the back of the clubhead with the fake shaft to equal swingweight, but wouln't that also increase spinrate?
it seemed like you hit the fake one much straighter LOL
I were happy with the direction 😆
Just thinking, a blind test would be more accurate?
I love the video, maybe should’ve done the test blind to eliminate any bias and actually don’t match the swing weight because many people don’t that the knowledge or even inkling to do that. Also raised a big concern about second hand private market. Paying 25 quid for a shaft then selling it for 3-4 times the amount is easily done
I agree with them points actually. It’s the first time I’ve ever compared fake Vs real. I’ve already recorded one more, but I’ll certainly take your points on board moving forwards 🔥
Well done gaz ya gotta watch what you buy now 👏 😊
Think this proved that mainstream brands are overrated and overhyped and over price
Really good content gaz 👍
Cheers Craig
Adjust the head to take the additional spin off and figures for the two would be similar. Doesn't it come down to which feels better...and a couple of hundred pounds.
Great video guys, you could have thrown a tea towel over the first three shots with the fake shaft, did you deliberately mis the last 2 ? I'll be visiting Sam soon too sort out my pxg black ops shaft
Cheers
Garry B in Manchester UK
A blind test will have been great for viewership but not so good for business!
We’ve taken that on board. Thanks
I had a UST Helium nanocore shaft that felt like what you said the fake felt like. It was in Regular flex, but in the tip section it was very flexy. It never worked well for me. I don't think it was a fake shaft, but it's hard to tell.
Great video. This is something I wish more people would do more of.
There’s going to be some great fake Vs real videos dropping! Keep an eye out 👌🏼
Very good content, it highlights a lot of what's going on with people with bad intentions. They buy the cheap stuff and then sell it for a profit on EBAY or other similar sites. You think you got a deal but the reality is you bought a counterfeit and got shafted.
this pisses me of tbh...
I would like to see some controlled shape shots like low draw or high fade.
I certainly wouldnt buy one and can see the concern buying a pre owned driver with one fitted.
That’s a great point! I think shot shaping would split the fake and the real.
For a golfer not swinging over 100 mph there is little difference
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We might have to test that, Unless there’s already evidence to back that up ?
Looking at the stats, I thought it wasn’t that far off than the real McCoy shaft and dispersion looked better 🤷🏻♂️
It wasn’t. It was higher spinning , one yard less in carry, and about ten yards less in total distance. This did flatter the fake, as these numbers would separate more into a wind. Most importantly thought, i was a surprise I got the first three so straight as I felt like I didn’t know where the head was, you can’t show feel with numbers, but if you could, they were miles apart.
Funny that changing the weight changes center of gravity and spin. Seems like that would be more important than swing weight since swing weight is just preference. Last shot on fake was bad but didn’t rehit and the original shaft was about .25-.5 inch longer. This whole thing seems like a waste of time that I can’t get back.
Really constructive, thanks for watching.
Would be interesting to see if a stiffer version of the fake would improve your spin/ performance?
Basically they perform as good as an expensive one (seeing the results, while ignoring the biased comments)
Sorry, don’t understand.
The fake shaft launch was better lol 2800 at your speed is just fine and the ball flight from the fake was better haha
Would want that flight and spin into a wind, barely rolled with no wind.
@@garymartingolf no but you’d be hitting it lower intentionally. This is a test with everything neutral the fake had a better ball flight. Maybe play them on course and see the real world difference. Ask any fitter 14 degrees is optimal launch with driver. Spin is a little high but only a couple hundred rpm.
Interesting, but would have been better if you had not identified which shaft was which before hitting
I wish I’d done that now! That’s a great idea for the next one! Thanks
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Seems the shafts are of comparable build but the ingredients aren't the same. I'd never know as most wouldn't. I'd certainly not enjoy being pissed on by buying a fake thats supposed to be the real thing though.😮
Those KBS tour black nickel shafts are looking mighty fine at 85 scrill a set.
The black nickel shafts look 🔥
You need a proper fitting. The way you hit that fake shaft makes me think a slightly softer shaft might suit you better anyway. Even though the spin was slightly higher, you hit it generally straighter and with a bit more carry. It was only roll out that made the real one be longer, in wetter conditions you won't get that rollout and a flatter flight is not as advantageous. Plus softer doesn't always mean less stable, some of the high end ladies shafts have very low torque but are extremely soft. Go back to Sam again and test some different flexes from Ladies all the way through to X stiff in some high end shafts but in your own driver head and see where you end up.
I totally agree! I mentioned to Sam, I don’t feel like any fitter has ever listened to me, they always fit me on numbers, rather than listening to me.
I always end up with a club that feels like a pole!
I am going back down 👍🏼
@@garymartingolf There are enough different heads, lofts, shaft flex, shaft stiffness, swing weights, grips and club length options to be able to get to equipment that gives the right numbers but also the right feel, and the right feel is important, if you don't like how your clubs feel you're never going to feel like you can hit it perfect every time, even if the 'numbers' said you should.
I keep hearing about the "superior performance" of the real $350 shaft versus the $25 shaft in this video. The bottom line was I saw literally no difference whatsoever. I mean seriously, a 1 yard difference in carry ?!?!?!? Dispersion was very close. If you really want to point out possible differences put the shafts in a frequency analyzer, preferably a Mitchell golf Digiflex 2.0. Then robot test the shaft at a club head speed rated for that shaft. Post up dispersion and distance variables. So untill we go down that road I'm going to need that link to purchase these.........
The reason why we put the data on the screen is for everybody to see the results, there’s nothing to hide, if you want one, go get one off Ali Express. My conclusion is, the shaft is crap, because I wouldn’t sacrifice feel, I’d rather use a stock shaft, but if you like the numbers and don’t care too much about feel, go for it. I really don’t know what you expect sometimes, all I ever give is my honest feedback, I couldn’t give two hoots about anything else apart from that.
@@garymartingolf I guess I would agree it's crap if it was 20 yards shorter and 50 feet offline but I just didn't see it.Also for statistics outcome you shouldn't have been able to know which one you had before starting the test. Once you knew it was the fake and started waggling it and saying it was unstable you had developed a preconceived notion that it was going to perform badly. You skew the results of a test by knowing the placebo.
I want to see a 10-15 handicap do the same test and then compare it. Your swing is pretty tuned. Be interesting!
The ironic part is that most people would benefit from a higher ballflight.
Umm at ⅒of price, it's totally worth losing 5 yrds. Now if it was poorer dispersion and 15yrs less, then ya, go real.
Great results for the fake shaft only 5 yards difference most amateur golfers are the same with accuracy and a 10th of price
Take my money
sorry but this video does not make sense.You shouldnt have told that guy that one of the shaft was fake.He is a professional and obviously, regardless if the fake is good or bad, he has a negative bias from the beginning towards the fake
Got a rep autoflex on the way. I can't wait lol 🚀
Let us know how you get on with it
@@garymartingolf definitely! I will keep u updated
@garymartingolf Just got the Autoflex. I am blown away by the quality and feel. It's gorgeous and flawless. Going to hit it tomorrow night.
1 yard of carry and 4 yards net truthfully isn't much difference if you're being honest with yourself.
If you could put a number of feel, the fake would score 1 and the real would score 10! Thats the difference, not the carry and total distance.
@@garymartingolf Makes sense and thank you for that explanation.
Let's be honest for £25 it was great....there wasn't much in it...
We were been honest.
Current(real) shaft looks too stiff. Until he hooked the last 2 with the fake shaft, everything was straight. Go up a flex with fake and probably $$$$
They were trying hard to diss the fake, yet ball after ball it played better for him. Seems like he needs a softer higher torque shaft, regardless of who makes it.
Another Ali Express employee, paid to make bias comments on reviews and leave fake reviews. Get a real job.
I would love to have seen the dispersion on them both , actually looked tighter with cheap shaft !!?? JMO
I’ve done this before and it last about 12 swings before it snapped … I do swing it’s 122mph on average but the fake one was good till it snapped in the handle
But not everyone can
Have that swing speed and not everyone has £300plus to spend on a driver
Looking at how the balls flew, I could not really discern a great deal of difference. You hit both shafts pretty well, and they all ended up very playable. I don't know if a mid to high handicap golfer could really tell the difference. Moreover, as someone here has pointed out, the best test would be double-blind, where no one knows which shaft they are using until the test is over. Perhaps a pro or very low handicap golfer might be able to detect differences, but again the real problem here is bias. You really need to control for that to be sure.
The most important thing was that for £300 plus there wasn’t any difference
Deffo not 300 pounds worth of difference according to the numbers. And if it wasn't for the last shot with the cheaper shaft dispersion was way better.
just goes to show what a waste of money for the real one!
That’s for you to decide 😆 The numbers are there and how I felt 🙌🏽
4 yards is nothing...vs paying an extra 300+ pnds.
I think the numbers flatter it though, wouldn’t be 4 yards into a breeze let’s not forget.
To be fair there wasnt to much difference in carry and tital distance. The big difference is the price difference and how durable the fake one is. Although you could replace it several times over 😂
Funny I had a Tour ad shaft in my driver last season. Absolutely hated it, way too much spin. I've got a tensei white now and it's a million times better!
It wasn’t off wish.com was it 😅 I’m going to go back down for a fitting, see what suits me best 👌🏼
Thing is- those 2 shafts performed almost the same. For the price difference I am not sure which one is the best.
You can coated all you want.. But actually, fake performed better.. If you remove the last shot, like you did with the real shaft..
Just like most commenters. One go a couple of meters shorter and definitely more consistent for a tenth of the cost and the consensus is dont buy them?
I'm not sure that there is as much honesty there should be?
Is it because you guys get them without having to spend money? 200 pound to you is 400 dollars where I live. That's about 700 before tax or about all my spare cash for three to four weeks. = car insurance for 6 months, 3 months electricity or my fuel bill for 3 to 4 weeks. That's a massive saving for a couple of meters!
We haven’t suggested you go and buy a 400 dollar shaft, you could get a Real $99 shaft to feel nicer than this fake.
The results are there, is you don’t care about feel, and you only care about numbers, go for it.
There is 100% honesty, we don’t get a bean from any brands, and if you think otherwise, ta tar
@garymartingolf I get that. But you also haven't given credit go the factvthis thing is actually value for money for someone who wanted consistency. Seems this thing was def more consistent than the big dollar spend if what I just watched was correct? I'm not taking a personal shot. Merely making an observation. The best fishing knot breaks consistently at a breaking strain and is the easiest to tie. The best club can be the one that gives consistent distance and accuracy (if it's in the ball park). Sometimes name products are over priced. Sometimes we should call them out? I'm not suggesting it's ethical to pass something off as fake by any means, I'm saying thatbthe b evidence presented didn't reflegtbtge opinion given.
For the average high handicappers that play once or twice a month i dont see a fake shaft being much of an issue but 100% wouldn't touch a fake head!
I agree, if you’re a casual golfer, you can make it work. You’d maybe just order one flex stiffer than normal to give it a stronger tip and less torque.
@garymartingolf the big question is how long until the fake heads become close to or on par with the genuine ones? I can understand the fake driver heads my never be due to the high quality materials used in the genuine ones but it may be a little different for irons in a few years. It also begs the question? Is most of the price in a golf club just down the brand name?
The score doesn't care if i use fake shaft or original shaft.
How about you stop making excuses before you use the fakes and just hit them normally. Go play an entire rd with fake shaft and lets see your score.
People who are interested in golf shafts, and are prepared to pay £200+ for a shaft are generally curious about the FEEL!… How can you review a shaft without discussing its feel?
We’ve shown the results, you can see it performs well, what more do you want.
@@garymartingolf you took 1 shot or no shots before discussing feels, unless you editing most takes out....
I’m not going to get into a debate with you. I’m the only RUclipsr that has ever given credit to a fake item because I couldn’t give two hoots about anybody but my subscribers so you can think what you want, but the shaft feels Shiite! 😅
Should have tested them blind.
Definitely will next time. Wish someone had given me that idea before.
This shows the real shaft is way over priced for extra 1 yard carried distance. To be fair we don't know the durability if the fake one. Might not last a season😂
I’m sure it will last, it’s just nothing like the real one in terms of feel. Still does a job if you don’t compare it to the real version.
Just look at the S shape on shaft dead give away the fakes are easy to spot. Fake ones are more square real S more curved .same on your ad VRs
Has anyone ever encountered fake nippon zelos shaft? Just bought a used iron set, head looks legit... But somehow the shaft looks off. The paint of the brand and other marking a bit smeared.
Do the shafts have signs of being fitted aftermarket (not from the manufacturer).
@@garymartingolf yes. I think so. The ferrules are different than stock mizuno. Grips are also not stock mizuno.
I'd take a 5yd loss for a tenth of the cost every day of the week
Ali express 😁
What you have to factor in is, it's a five yard loss (give or take) for Gary in these conditions, but if you're already a pretty spinny player and you add this shaft in and in not ideal conditions then it's quickly going to turn into a nightmare.
@@danielwarren2355 pair it with a low spin head😂
Ha Shots are better with the fake! lol
They were lol 😂
What it means is that you hit the fake shaft better because you shouldn’t be swinging a 70x shaft.
All this video proves to me is that the price of GD shafts is hugely overinflated
Watched the whole video to see how you tell the two apart 🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️
Still don’t know.
$40 vs $400...uhhh...tell me again why "premium" shafts cost so much.
bought shafts from sam before he is a sound chap
I’m going back down for a fitting, knows his stuff 🤌🏼
Me too - top guy good price super flexible
Since the shafts look identical, it would be perfect to set up a double-anonymized procedure over a few days so that you could gather sufficient data to run statistical tests to see if there would be any significant differences. Just scanning your limited data here, I see everything so close that I am not convinced one stands out as superior. As has been pointed out in other remarks here, you failed to control for your own bias. Since you know which shaft is the most expensive, you may have already concluded that it is superior to the cheaper one. It would help if you found a way to eliminate that bias and let the data speak instead. Throughout the Internet and especially on YT, I see content creators doing these cursory tests, hitting a few shots, and almost always the more expensive brand wins. If your aim is to be scientific then it requires that you use well established procedures and results to be confident in your conclusions.
I do like the idea of playing out on the course with the fake shaft and I will be as I’m in the process of building a full bag of fake equipment.
Iyou watch more of my content, reviews and comparisons, you will soon see there is never ever bias. I’ve quite often praised faked equipment, but in the case of this shaft, the flex, feel and torque was clearly not true to the real version. As we said, the results, they were great, but I think that was more down to my ability to adapt to the softer feel. In conclusion, it wouldn’t play consistent to the feel of all the other clubs in my bag and therefore I couldn’t play that shaft, and I would worry that less skilled golfer would struggle to adapt and they would lose control.
Anyway, we will see, all this will be tested in the future once we’ve got a full bag setup.
Should stick with the fake
Hardly any difference between them and certainly not £300 more 😂. Utter bollocks this Gaz you hit that fake one the same and it should’ve been a blind test cos I guarantee you would not have known which was which. £300 and it was 3 yards better 😂
The next fake shaft test I will one hindered percent swing blind fold, and I know I’ll tell, the feel is so obvious which is the most stable. I agree, the data and results aren’t bad, but they don’t compare on feel which I couldn’t get used to. I do agree, maybe someone in regular flex, a softer swinger, wouldn’t feel the torque so much, so for them, it could be better.
Should have been blind test
It’s a great idea for next time. We never thought about it.
So bro all over the map with the real shaft. Gets the fake one, says I feel like I have no control…. Yet during his comments Stripes 3in a row!! Sorry. But this seems a little Shitty to say I have no control. So with control you’re not down the middle???? Having said that. Fake is fake. And I wouldn’t buy. But this video really isn’t help state that case boys… But,, Good Job,,,, I… Guess lol!!
What do you want me to tell you in feels like? If it feels like it has no control, but goes straight, buy it then. I’m not going to tell people it feels solid, if it doesn’t.
Prank guys? Talking down the shaft that is clearly performing much better. 😂
No way you would use the 1st over the 2nd shaft on the last hole at Augusta. No shame in saying the more lively shaft like your own gamer suits your swing better.
I wouldn’t use the fake shaft at a council course, never mind Augusta. All my videos feedback is with integrity, I couldn’t give two hoots which product, fake or real is best, I’ve not affiliation to anyone.
Fake shaft better.