When using AMD RDNA2 (i.e. Steam Deck), make sure to get Mesa fixes for mesh shaders. Current mesa, will show many textures incorrectly (rocks, faces, etc), but with a patch, it will fix it. Do not disable mesh shaders in d3dvk, as performance will drop a lot (like -50%). But even then, it probably is not worth it to run at like 25 fps. It is impressive still that is runs it so well considering the TDP and other limitations.
To be honest I would have not expected games releasing today or tomorrow to be playable on current handhelds. Nothing unfortunate here in my opinion regarding the actual idea of the handhelds.
This is why fsr3 frame gen is needed. 17~23 fps is good enough for me i have played with worse fps, i don't expect igpu to play this well Futute handheld pc should have discrete gpu chips built in
The problem with frame gen is the input latency. If you were trying to use frame gen on something at 20-30 fps you will have a very, laggy game. As well there would be numerous visual artifacts happening. The tech is meant to boost from a base of 50-60 for best results.
Definitely recommend Digital Foundries recommended PC settings for use with the Ally +xg 3080. Equals PS5 and locks at 60fps/1440p dlss quality. I'm on official ally drivers, no 7840 stuff installed. Should be noted that you should optimize your Nvidea control panel. Stock settings suck.
Nice! Glad to hear! I don't typically let nvidia control the games settings etc. I'll just set it to a preset and compare one to one. But yeah, definitely would recommend the df settings as well!
Dude, you know this is literally the first game with mesh shaders? No wonder handhelds struggle. I believe that if game companies optimise their games for Switch. They can surely optimise AAA titles for handheld gaming (if there's money to be made). As to the amount of ram I agree that 32gb is the future standard
That is a tough question. I'm sure for a lot it is an easy choice or no brainer. However, to be able to recommend one over the other, I always ask if you have a dedicated gaming set up already. Mainly a PC, but a latest gen console could count as well. I ask this because if you already have a way to play the latest and greatest AAA games, comfortably, then I would suggest the Deck. 1) it is cheaper than the ROG Ally no matter which version you pick. However, I would not personally recommend the 1tb option due to the anti glare etching. This can make the image appear more, dull at times. For OLED display, absolutely go glossy for the best picture quality. 2) it is an excellent companion device to a dedicated gaming rig. You can play games either locally and if they can't run on the deck then you can stream from a PC that can. 3) without having seen the OLED screen in person, but having owned many OLED displays. The new OLED display on the deck should be absolutely killer. If you haven't experienced OLED HDR, you are in for an absolute treat. Points for the Ally 1) it is more versatile in what it can run. It is more powerful, hands down. But that comes at the cost of battery life. However, it also allows you to be plugged in and pull higher wattages, unlike the deck. 2) for better or worse, you have the xg mobile GPU option, if you planned on only having an ally. The only egpu I can recommend is the 6850, unless you can get the 3080 within $100 of the 6850. 3) the screen on the ally is really good, it gets plenty bright and is crisp enough for my liking (just felt I should say that the ROG screen isn't immediately crap because it's not OLED) 4) despite the rocky start and broken SD card readers, it does appear as though Asus is listening and adapting to requests from the community. However, SteamOS is simply better or more suited to the handheld style, simply because it was built specifically for the steam deck and various valve products. But, to bring it back as a plus towards the ally, the ally runs windows and can play games like destiny 2 and cod. I would hope for this to change at some point but as of right now, that's the rub. Ultimately in my use case if I wasn't doing this channel and had only one handheld, it likely would be the Steam Deck. Because I have a gaming rig to play all of the heavy duty games on and then I can play lighter games leisurely on the deck. If I had the Steam Deck LCD (I have 3) I would sell it to fund the purchase of a steam deck OLED. I would take advantage of buying the cheaper model (512gb) OLED and either use SD cards or buy a larger 2tb SSD. I don't think I personally would go for a windows handheld, again if I were to have only one device. Because I don't *need* the windows functionality to play cod or destiny 2 on the go as well I don't *need* the increase in power because if I couldn't run a new game on the steam deck, I would play it on my desktop. Hope that helps somewhat!
@@WinDeckTech Thank you so much for the detailed response. It is kind of what I was afraid of regarding the ally as I already have a gaming rig (3D artist so top graphic cards for job etc). I'm afraid streaming to deck using moonlight is gonna gonna be a better experience than rog ally running those AAA games in the end which is really holding me back. However i was also pretty interested in the ally to emulate switch games on the go. Mainly the most demanding ones actually, ToTk, xenoblade 3+DLC, astral chain. From what i've seen xenoblade 3 is a nogo on steam deck, same for astral chain. ToTk is a pain to set up to never truly reach stable 30... If the ally was running those very well it'd be big for me, but then again it's hard to find videos regarding how those runs today on the ally so it's kinda hit or miss. Just wish there was a more powerful deck at the end of the day... Even sacrificing some battery life I wouldn't mind.
Since the game runs on the series s I guess the issue is rather limited schalability on PC or in case of the Ally, all the Windows Background crap eating up the memory.
Honestly the biggest L here is the lack of ram on the systems, imo. Sure it's not amazing on the 7840u with 32gb. But it is much more playable than the Ally and absolutely better than the steam deck
People said at first that Steam Deck will never be able to even launch Alan Wake 2 because of the specs, and yet here we are. Optimization is key, even with new technology. Alan Wake even on top machines is not very optimized, so there always room for improvement.
It is pretty well optimized I would say. This is just the absolute limits of what the deck can do. This game will likely forever remain unplayable/inconsistent on the deck. Not to mention the texture issues.
I am thinking in doing the 32 gb mod to the ally but after using smokeless and tighten the ram, it runs much smoother. I will also use the device to stream from my desktop as the new moonlight update improved image quality a lot! would you do a vid from the 32 gb mod with 7500mhz ram and that would be awesome for the channel!
I had looked into the 32 gb mod for the Ally and from what I could tell, it cost about 300 (or more) USD just for the service, not including shipping. I have done electrical soldering in the past, but nothing to that level. IMO it is not/would not be worth it. For that price, you are much better off going with a device that has 32gb supported natively. My advice would be to wait for a Z1E device with 32gb of fast ram from a name brand manufacturer (dell, gigabyte, MSI etc) whoever makes one first. Unless you are comfortable/familiar with buying a Chinese, not so name brand (globally) company.
@@WinDeckTechI understand. I have the rog ally and a 3080 xgmobile 16gb model with it, I don’t mind playing with it attached in handheld mode as well docked mode, but the need for a 32gb I hope will be in the future but a mod would be great too but I can wait
I guess stream this game from my rig to my rog and my steam deck just still be able to play it portably not ideal but playable and longer battery life due to streaming it in silent mode
Yup. Before I got it running I had a different section for the steam deck. Essentially saying it won't run well for a while, if ever... I suggested to not even bother trying to buy it or running it on the steam deck. Even when you kick textures up to high, things like the FBI print are still missing lol.
@@zmb5501 correct, it has software ray tracing built into the game. Unfortunately, a lot of next gen games optimized or not will not run on these devices. Or run well. Fsr 3 is not the saviour people think it is either, because you need a base frame rate of 55-60 for best results. Thinks like immortals of aveium (spelling) and frospoken just straight up break when used on iGPUs right now.
Sold my steam deck recently then bought ally , honestly i regret it , ally is faster without a doubt , but the absence of track pad and having a windows is freaking stupid , and the battery life is way way worseee!! The battery die just by tinkering ingame settings lol ,
Yeah it is a different beast with a potentially, radically different buyer. Steam deck is an amazing companion console to your PC I would say. You absolutely can have just the steam deck as a gaming console and have a great time. But I think it shines when complimenting a desktop. Steam stream heavy duty games or play them locally at reduced settings. Having the steam deck initially, before getting into all this, it really helped me beat out some of my backlog as I could continue paying the games on my couch etc. The ally I see more as an all in one gaming device. With the ability to change your tdp at will and have more power when docked. On top of the ridiculous xg mobile.. you can very comfortably get by with just the ally depending on your set up. But, each have their cons. The steam deck being less powerful but the ally being more power hungry etc. I would say sell your ally and switch back to a deck, or hang tight for new refreshes, and likely new designs and manufacturers in the new year. Alienware, MSI, etc.
When using AMD RDNA2 (i.e. Steam Deck), make sure to get Mesa fixes for mesh shaders. Current mesa, will show many textures incorrectly (rocks, faces, etc), but with a patch, it will fix it. Do not disable mesh shaders in d3dvk, as performance will drop a lot (like -50%).
But even then, it probably is not worth it to run at like 25 fps.
It is impressive still that is runs it so well considering the TDP and other limitations.
To be honest I would have not expected games releasing today or tomorrow to be playable on current handhelds. Nothing unfortunate here in my opinion regarding the actual idea of the handhelds.
I will be streaming/remote playing this from my series x to my steam deck and should still get 1080p/60fps this way.
This is why fsr3 frame gen is needed. 17~23 fps is good enough for me i have played with worse fps, i don't expect igpu to play this well
Futute handheld pc should have discrete gpu chips built in
The problem with frame gen is the input latency. If you were trying to use frame gen on something at 20-30 fps you will have a very, laggy game. As well there would be numerous visual artifacts happening.
The tech is meant to boost from a base of 50-60 for best results.
hopefully the ally 2 has 32gb of ram. its gonna need it
I hope so, or give the option at least!
Definitely recommend Digital Foundries recommended PC settings for use with the Ally +xg 3080. Equals PS5 and locks at 60fps/1440p dlss quality. I'm on official ally drivers, no 7840 stuff installed. Should be noted that you should optimize your Nvidea control panel. Stock settings suck.
Nice! Glad to hear!
I don't typically let nvidia control the games settings etc. I'll just set it to a preset and compare one to one. But yeah, definitely would recommend the df settings as well!
RAM isn't the issue on the Steam Deck here.
Dude, you know this is literally the first game with mesh shaders? No wonder handhelds struggle. I believe that if game companies optimise their games for Switch. They can surely optimise AAA titles for handheld gaming (if there's money to be made). As to the amount of ram I agree that 32gb is the future standard
Debating on wether to buy steam OLED or ally. Would you still recommend the ally vs new deck?
That is a tough question.
I'm sure for a lot it is an easy choice or no brainer.
However, to be able to recommend one over the other, I always ask if you have a dedicated gaming set up already. Mainly a PC, but a latest gen console could count as well.
I ask this because if you already have a way to play the latest and greatest AAA games, comfortably, then I would suggest the Deck.
1) it is cheaper than the ROG Ally no matter which version you pick. However, I would not personally recommend the 1tb option due to the anti glare etching. This can make the image appear more, dull at times. For OLED display, absolutely go glossy for the best picture quality.
2) it is an excellent companion device to a dedicated gaming rig. You can play games either locally and if they can't run on the deck then you can stream from a PC that can.
3) without having seen the OLED screen in person, but having owned many OLED displays. The new OLED display on the deck should be absolutely killer. If you haven't experienced OLED HDR, you are in for an absolute treat.
Points for the Ally
1) it is more versatile in what it can run. It is more powerful, hands down. But that comes at the cost of battery life. However, it also allows you to be plugged in and pull higher wattages, unlike the deck.
2) for better or worse, you have the xg mobile GPU option, if you planned on only having an ally. The only egpu I can recommend is the 6850, unless you can get the 3080 within $100 of the 6850.
3) the screen on the ally is really good, it gets plenty bright and is crisp enough for my liking (just felt I should say that the ROG screen isn't immediately crap because it's not OLED)
4) despite the rocky start and broken SD card readers, it does appear as though Asus is listening and adapting to requests from the community.
However, SteamOS is simply better or more suited to the handheld style, simply because it was built specifically for the steam deck and various valve products. But, to bring it back as a plus towards the ally, the ally runs windows and can play games like destiny 2 and cod. I would hope for this to change at some point but as of right now, that's the rub.
Ultimately in my use case if I wasn't doing this channel and had only one handheld, it likely would be the Steam Deck. Because I have a gaming rig to play all of the heavy duty games on and then I can play lighter games leisurely on the deck.
If I had the Steam Deck LCD (I have 3) I would sell it to fund the purchase of a steam deck OLED.
I would take advantage of buying the cheaper model (512gb) OLED and either use SD cards or buy a larger 2tb SSD.
I don't think I personally would go for a windows handheld, again if I were to have only one device. Because I don't *need* the windows functionality to play cod or destiny 2 on the go as well I don't *need* the increase in power because if I couldn't run a new game on the steam deck, I would play it on my desktop.
Hope that helps somewhat!
@@WinDeckTech Thank you so much for the detailed response.
It is kind of what I was afraid of regarding the ally as I already have a gaming rig (3D artist so top graphic cards for job etc).
I'm afraid streaming to deck using moonlight is gonna gonna be a better experience than rog ally running those AAA games in the end which is really holding me back.
However i was also pretty interested in the ally to emulate switch games on the go. Mainly the most demanding ones actually, ToTk, xenoblade 3+DLC, astral chain.
From what i've seen xenoblade 3 is a nogo on steam deck, same for astral chain. ToTk is a pain to set up to never truly reach stable 30...
If the ally was running those very well it'd be big for me, but then again it's hard to find videos regarding how those runs today on the ally so it's kinda hit or miss.
Just wish there was a more powerful deck at the end of the day... Even sacrificing some battery life I wouldn't mind.
Since the game runs on the series s I guess the issue is rather limited schalability on PC or in case of the Ally, all the Windows Background crap eating up the memory.
Honestly the biggest L here is the lack of ram on the systems, imo.
Sure it's not amazing on the 7840u with 32gb. But it is much more playable than the Ally and absolutely better than the steam deck
Fsr performance 720p, ooofff man, playing at 360p. Yea I will wait for handhelds to at least do 1080p native on this game.
People said at first that Steam Deck will never be able to even launch Alan Wake 2 because of the specs, and yet here we are.
Optimization is key, even with new technology. Alan Wake even on top machines is not very optimized, so there always room for improvement.
It is pretty well optimized I would say. This is just the absolute limits of what the deck can do. This game will likely forever remain unplayable/inconsistent on the deck. Not to mention the texture issues.
@@WinDeckTech you already wrong, based on new developments, but okay
How am I already wrong? You have not provided any proof that it is unoptimized. What is this new development? A discrete gpu being added to the deck?
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I am thinking in doing the 32 gb mod to the ally but after using smokeless and tighten the ram, it runs much smoother. I will also use the device to stream from my desktop as the new moonlight update improved image quality a lot! would you do a vid from the 32 gb mod with 7500mhz ram and that would be awesome for the channel!
Are you looking for someone to do the 32GB mod for you? If so then I can get it done for you.
@@SlickBuysModsandRepairsI’m curious to see how much would mod like that cost to do
I had looked into the 32 gb mod for the Ally and from what I could tell, it cost about 300 (or more) USD just for the service, not including shipping.
I have done electrical soldering in the past, but nothing to that level.
IMO it is not/would not be worth it.
For that price, you are much better off going with a device that has 32gb supported natively.
My advice would be to wait for a Z1E device with 32gb of fast ram from a name brand manufacturer (dell, gigabyte, MSI etc) whoever makes one first. Unless you are comfortable/familiar with buying a Chinese, not so name brand (globally) company.
@@WinDeckTechI understand. I have the rog ally and a 3080 xgmobile 16gb model with it, I don’t mind playing with it attached in handheld mode as well docked mode, but the need for a 32gb I hope will be in the future but a mod would be great too but I can wait
How did you overclock your ram????
FSR2 Also increases the VRAM usage by a lot. I would try to run below 720p upscaling
I guess stream this game from my rig to my rog and my steam deck just still be able to play it portably not ideal but playable and longer battery life due to streaming it in silent mode
Yeah streaming is definitely the way to go for this one, either locally or via cloud!
Its just bad optimization. Better wait for updates and patches
It's pretty obvious streaming will help handhelds to last longer
Death of the steamdeck? 😂
Lmfao 😂😂😂 👏👏👏👏👏👏 that intro niceeee lol 😎😎👍👍👏👏
I was expecting it to not run. I was right.
Yup. Before I got it running I had a different section for the steam deck. Essentially saying it won't run well for a while, if ever... I suggested to not even bother trying to buy it or running it on the steam deck. Even when you kick textures up to high, things like the FBI print are still missing lol.
Bruh the handhelds are supposed to be ur secondary devices to clear backlogs. Don’t expect every new title to run on them.
Sadly woke people expect the deck to run any and every game.
@@WinDeckTech what on earth does woke-ism have to do with that?
Yeah but it is just these un optimized games that are to blame. RE series has proven what an optimized engine can do. High framerates, low end devices
This game isnt unoptimized. It uses alot of new tech even at low settings.
@@zmb5501 correct, it has software ray tracing built into the game. Unfortunately, a lot of next gen games optimized or not will not run on these devices. Or run well. Fsr 3 is not the saviour people think it is either, because you need a base frame rate of 55-60 for best results. Thinks like immortals of aveium (spelling) and frospoken just straight up break when used on iGPUs right now.
@@WinDeckTech yeah I bummed about fsr 3. Even if I can't play future games the ally can already run a great deal of games.
Sold my steam deck recently then bought ally , honestly i regret it , ally is faster without a doubt , but the absence of track pad and having a windows is freaking stupid , and the battery life is way way worseee!! The battery die just by tinkering ingame settings lol ,
Yeah it is a different beast with a potentially, radically different buyer.
Steam deck is an amazing companion console to your PC I would say.
You absolutely can have just the steam deck as a gaming console and have a great time. But I think it shines when complimenting a desktop. Steam stream heavy duty games or play them locally at reduced settings. Having the steam deck initially, before getting into all this, it really helped me beat out some of my backlog as I could continue paying the games on my couch etc.
The ally I see more as an all in one gaming device. With the ability to change your tdp at will and have more power when docked. On top of the ridiculous xg mobile.. you can very comfortably get by with just the ally depending on your set up.
But, each have their cons. The steam deck being less powerful but the ally being more power hungry etc.
I would say sell your ally and switch back to a deck, or hang tight for new refreshes, and likely new designs and manufacturers in the new year.
Alienware, MSI, etc.
It’s funny that it almost looks like a last gen game but runs like 💩
I'm not interested in playing a game if it runs like trash
Lmao and people called me weird for wanting 32gb of ram on my ally.....
You are weird because you need at least 64!
J/K of course.
There's a shop that will upgrade your Ally to 32gb.
They even make videos
@@kewlztertc5386 SHUT UP!!!! 😳😳😳
its just poor optimization.
@@ChiekoGamerspartly but 32GB helps significantly as shown in the video.