Bayonetta Origins Explains Bayonetta 3's Story
HTML-код
- Опубликовано: 10 май 2023
- Bayonetta Origins is hiding a Dark Secret Hidden Truth of Singularity, the Faeries, Tir Na Nog's, Umbran Witches, Lumen Sages, Thule, and magic. Analysis by Johto Jonny
Bayonetta Origins Lore
bayonetta 3 cereza dead,bayonetta 3 is cereza dead,bayonetta 3 cereza return,moonlight serenade bayonetta 3,bayonetta origins,bayonetta origins analysis,bayonetta origins cereza,bayonetta origins cereza and the lost demon,bayonetta 4 cereza,bayonetta 4,bayonetta 3 dlc,bayonetta 3 origins dlc,bayonetta 3 dlc origins,bayonetta 3 dlc storybook,bayonetta 3 storybook game,bayonetta 3 origins,bayonetta origins explained,bayonetta 3 ending explained,bayonetta og
#bayonetta #bayonetta3 #platinumgames #bayonettaorigins
~ Please subscribe here ~
/ @johtojonny
***
~ If you like what I do, please consider supporting me on Patreon ~
/ jonnytyo
Or, if you want a less committed approach, I can take Venmo @ johtojonny
***
~ Want to talk more with me? ~
Discord server: / discord
Twitch: / johtojonny
Twitter: / jonny_tompkins
Instagram: / johtojonny
***
~ Check out my new Super Smash Bros. show, the "Super Smash Bros. Cinematic Universe" ~ Full series playlist: • Super Smash Bros CINEM...
Thank you to all who support me, whether it be on Patreon, Subscribing, Liking, Commenting on my videos, or all of the above! 
Игры
After this, don't forget to watch my video explanation of Origins' secret chapter and what it really meant!: ruclips.net/video/wNglf5ndxD0/видео.html
This makes me wonder, could Faerie magic be the form of magic/spirit energy that's native to the Realm of Chaos? It's a pale blue, a color associated with Aesir, and the Faeries themselves seem like they could be the Realm's equivalent to Angles and Demons. I've always seen Singularity as an artificial recreation of Aesir; his power of 'Phenomenal Affirmation' shapes reality in a way that's similar to how Aesir's Eyes of the World are described, his Homunculi are incapable of individual thought, similar to humans under the original Aesir's rule, and his goal seems to have been to condense the Realm of Chaos (and its power) into a singular reality that he would rule over as the new God of Chaos (essentially putting the Realm back on truly even ground with Paradiso and Inferno). When Aesir gave up the Eyes, it likely allowed Chaos to begin splitting, with each fragment having a portion of the Realm's original power, possibly leaving its spirit energy too diluted for humans to harness. If the Faeries had a deeper connection to Chaos, maybe being created alongside it like how Sheba was born alongside Inferno, they may still have been able to tap into that magic, while humans had to turn to the powers of Light and Darkness instead.
I do believe there is a connection, yes... and I think you're pretty much where I'm at with it currently 🥰
Forgive me as I haven’t been able to play the game fully yet-though I absolutely love the lore in these games. I like this idea! What if the faeries hide in Purgatorio? Something I really like about the Bayonetta games and their mythos is that it’s all based off of real life mythology. For example, the angel hierarchy is reminiscent of actual biblical mythos, the culture surrounding the witches is really similar to both real life witchcraft as well as classic legends, the witch hunts were a real event in our world, etc. Faeries are part of Celtic mythology as beings neither good nor bad, interacting with humans however they want, but still discreetly, and they sort of exist in an in-between world. I think it would be neat if they stuck around Purgatorio or at least exist in there a lot! Again, maybe this is already a thing but I haven’t played Origins all the way!
Those Faerie ideas look very cool! I thought perhaps the 5 beta universes exist as template worlds that all existed when Aesir would have possibly toyed with various possibilities as the creation of the multiverse, with uninteresting outcomes being scrapped and frozen in time until the eyes were forfeited, leading to differences in time between timelines.
I saw an article recently that implied that Platinum didn't know Bayo 3 would release before Origins. Which I think is a little weird because this game was so important to understanding what's going on.
Yeah Origins should have released first 😅
I noticed a weird parallel, Singularity was wiping out other Bayos across universes to grow stronger while Puca and his faction was killing off umbran novices that entered the forest and even used their memories to create illusionary constructs similar to Singularity's attacks.
It's also hinted that Fairies don't use human languages since Puca is the only fairy to speak english but his accent and dialect makes him sound like he was speaking broken english to Cereza.
Meanwhile Singularity and his homunculi also use and speak a language that can't be translated, although the Perlucidus is only homunculi that showcases lumen enochian on their cords.
Other weird parallels I've found are with Puca and Luka. Their names, clumsy personalities, and sometimes even words they use are similar... like "magnanimus".
Doubt mine adds up to anything like yours does tho
@@johtojonnyi think the connection between Singularity and Puca seems much stronger, both show extreme hostility towards humans, Singularity wiping out 2000 worlds and gave the Bayo variants awful deaths while Puca made the avalon forest more death ridden, and basically had Morgana's dream and compassion die with her husband.
Both of them also ensure that their enemies don't survive, Bayo3 dies and is dragged to inferno while Puca made sure that everything Morgana did would end in tragedy, either with her and Lukaon both dying or one of them living in guilt for killing Cereza and condemning the novices to the avalon forest.
It's as if Singularity could be Puca's incarnation.
Can we mention that the Faeries can put their defeated foes inside a Faerie Cage/Crystal Coffin
Bayonetta fans NEED to watch your videos - and Platinum Games writers as well.
We want Bayonetta 4 to talk about this stuff!
Thank you! Feel free to share it around!!! 🥰
Even with arch cereza we have proof that she was probably saved by luka in Bayonetta Origins we see lukaon save her from inferno the blue light when cereza and luka go down is the same light shown when he uses his faerie magic we have kamiya taking about her in causul clothes and how Bayonetta is immortal forever that was in the eyes of Bayonetta 3 artbook
And luka went into inferno alive and afterwords we see him in in viola selfies rodin mentions luka complaining about viola skipping school
Arch cereza and luka are both fine
Yes yes I agree 😎 I shoulda been clear she's the only one in 3 who died in a way that actually tried sending her to an afterlife. Luka stopped that from happening
Except we don't actually see Lukaon saving Cereza. It was a dream...
We are so back!!
It's-a-me!
With the information available could it be possible that the fairies may have been the cause of the great calamity/ apocalypse mentioned in the first and second Bayonetta game? They have the ability to "shatter" the boundaries of reality so could they be responsible for the event that "shattered" the first reality in the realms of Paradiso Inferno and Chaos? If they caused that kind of disaster it would explain why fairies are so reclusive in the multiverse of Bayonetta. They are trying to lay low after causing so much trouble.
It's definitely possible, but so far no proof of the sort. Speculation adds up tho
@@johtojonny If this ended up being the case the fairies, or at least a singular powerful fairy, would make for an excellent antagonist for Viola to fight. Her being half fairy would add a nice emotional layer to that story's narrative.
@@fireflyer97 agreed!
The Lumen Sages have angels. The Umbra Witches have demons. Singularity has fairies.
Thank you for your videos. I agree that Origins, which has a fantastic story, goes a long way towards clarifying and thus improving 3’s plot.
One thing I don’t understand though is why Cereza in Bayo 3 didn’t react more when she saw Cheshire or Luka’s faerie magic. Was it just because it had presumably been a long time since she’d seen or heard of either, or was she truly puzzled about the similar-but-different nature of both?
I honestly really truly think it's because whomever was in charge of dialogue for Bayonetta 3 just didn't write enough lines for the characters. There's so many moments where you think people are gonna talk and they just don't say anything and look at each other
I hope to see faeries in future games!
Me too! They're super cool and their lore is so interesting! 😁
Bayonnett4: Viola's Graduation
5:05 yes! I really wish the whole Bayo fandom would watch your videos tbh
Oh thank you 😅 hopefully people share them around again. I know I been afk for a while but still 😅
@@johtojonny I definitely am sharing it. And know a lot of people will. Good content gets shared most of the times :)
@@albertlogar3401 you're super awesome for that thank you! It's very much appreciated 🙂 I'll continue to make the quality content too haha
i swear your the only theorist who actually makes sense but great video either way 👍 the lore is insane haha
That's because I'm not a theorist 🤣😅
@@johtojonny well…that’s embarrassing 🫣🤣
@@thatdumbbeech9624 😂 no biggy. I think it's because some people have, in the past, compared me to another tuber who shall not be named after recent events
@@johtojonny oh no thats not good i’m sorry to hear that 😔
@@johtojonnyMatPat? Why not name him? He just retired, nothing bad happened lol. But your comment is too old for that so idk who you're talking about
Absolutely loved this video!!! I did have a question for one part of the clip that you posted that I was curious about myself... What was up with all those floating babies at the end of jeannes tale? At first I thought it was past sacrifices by Morgana but realize that it was a singularity thing and not a Morgana thing.
🤔 Likely an illusion to scare Jeanne away or possibly closely related variants to arch Cereza that Singularity succeeded in subduing.
My bets are on the first one though. Especially knowing he was able to get into little Cereza's mind, it was probably just a subconscious memory she had that he was looking at
I hope we get more info about the fairies in the next Bayonetta game.
Me too. They're super interesting so more reveals will be satisfying 😍
Bayonnett4
Every time I see a Bayonetta fan who doesn't understand the story complain about the story, I wish I could send them this video.
When you go on the steam guides page for Nier Automata, there is a link to a website dedicated to explaining the lore, saying that the game probably doesn't make sense even after finishing it. Automata fans somehow tolerate not knowing, and are curious and open to learn and analyse. It seems Bayonetta fans are different and demand to understand everything upon first time completing, and without needing any other sources, such as the next game in the series.
I like the story being complicated and nebulous to create room for fan theory and discussion.
You are one of my favorite youtubers johto. You go so in depth and take so much time and care into your research. I appreciate what you do for the community and you deserve all your flowers. Thank you for the amazing content and I cant wait for more. You're the only bayo content creator i see as a true source because of the in depth research and how you use actual evidence in your videos. Many blessings to you and as always stay safe and have a great day.
Thank you for this heartfelt comment. It made my day! One day I'll be recognized again for my hard work 😂 just gonna give it time. Been doing a soft reset on my channel recently anyways to shift content to more of a video essay focus
more bayo vids yassss
Plenty more where that came from!
You get a like for using Zelda majora’s mask, song of healing in the background 😊😅
Love MM! The music from that game fit this topic so well I couldn't resist
Fun fact. In Fate or the Nasuverse in its majority Kaleidoscope is the name of the Second true magic. The Power tap into other worlds energy.
I don't know if it's the extreme amount of cope I'm dealing with about this game but this video makes a whole lot of sense and makes me feel a lot less bad about the game here's a challenge for you since you've changed my mind about everything else. Give us a viola video. I want to like her lmao
Currently Viola doesn't even know how to open an Umbran door until B3 let alone doing a summoning ritual.
She has a lot of room to improve as a Witch-Faerie hybrid tho.
Faerie side:
Illusory magic
Pseudo-demonic affinity
Pseudo-angelic affinity
Construct creation.
Pocket Dimension
Elemental magic
Vitality absortion
The more souls agonizing in pain around the more powerful they become, a faerie will surely thrive in inferno.
Faerie summoning
The Mab Dachi was pre-ordered by a Faerie queen to a black smith. It can cut through anything if the user is skilled enough. Little is known about the Faerie queen.
Witch side
Just about everything Cereza can do.
Most likely she'll haveto train under Rodin's tutelage before entering Inferno to retrieve the Arch ver. of her Parents' souls.
@@froilanflorentino1252 Viola is leagues above the power level of little Cereza in Origins. She's only 18 and you compare her to her 600 year experienced mother.
@@scary5455idk, I don't think Viola coulda beat Morgana. Cereza is just much more skilled and worked much better with Cheshire, even as a preteen lmfaoo
Wait, I have a crazy thought about this: what if that fairy power is similar if not THE SAME as the Terastal Phenomenon in Pokemon. Think about it: when we terastallize a pokemon, the orb emits a blue-ish cristal light. Imagine Singularity surviving Jeanne's attack and going into another timeline, far from the sacred one, bringing with him fairy energy and slowly recovering inside the Paldea Crater. That would explains the cristals there and the presence of the cristal turtle.
The faeries remind me of the cute little machine robots in Automata.
A question that comes to mind is: Who is the true indigenous race to the World of Chaos?
It seemed like it were humans at first, but Fairies and their magic: Twilight Magic, reflect Chaosworld the most. So the must be the dominant natives to Chaosworld
Angels and Demons have the powers of their respective Worlds: Light Magic & Dark Magic, but what magic ability is prominent *exclusively* to Humans? - It is to bridge easily between Inferno, Chaosworld & Paradiso.
Now does that sound familiar? What else does bridge the 3 parts of the Trinity?
...So what if (and reaaaally think about it), humans are ORIGINALLY FROM PURGATORIO, but where *taken* to Chaosworld by Aesir?
Beside Angels that turned into Demons, we have never seen any members of the other races, harness the magic power of the other Worlds. But humans like Purgatorio, can synthesise with the magics of the entire Trinity, without irreversaly loosing their original ethnicity.
If I remember log entries correctly, Faeries are from somewhere entirely separate from the Trinity of Realities but settled in the realm of chaos. We still have more to learn about them.
First of all: Thank you for the video, I know it must have taken a looong time to piece this FNAF system of hiding plot information in other games for us to piece together and theorize to make any fucking sense of a story.
Now...
I think if bayonetta Origins was released a Year before Bayonetta 3, with a more obvious name to link it as a prelude between B2 and B3, it would have mitigated at least 50% of the problems with B3.
Yes it would have spoiled most of the "plot twists" of B3, but they weren't good either so they could be re-written.
Now, That would still not change the fact that most characters apart from Jeanne acts way too off-character for my tastes.
Even if Luka HAS a complex in this universe, of always wanting to find the truth and that consuming him, giving the guy some more screen-time would be awesome for his character.
Viola having mixed feelings towards the variants of her mom and father is ok, and in-character, but what is OUT of character for is how Luka and Bayo from this universe suddenly start acting as if Viola had been born from their union in THIS universe, which makes no sense. Also Viola deserved more time AND better enemy design for her style. It's hard to play a Bayonetta game, with enemies designed for her, with a character that can't do half of what she can. It feels flawed because of it.
Rodin never entes into the fray to help too much, however this time he mentions that if the Multiverse is destroyed, all of the trinity would be fucked too, so it makes no sense for him not to help at all after the start of the game.
And finally, Bayonetta. For her to be the strongest variant, for her to have been THE version of cereza that Balder got into the future and then put back into the past (and b2 makes sure to explain that the Luka from that Universe KNEW a Cerecita, so B1 and B2 have very similar storylines, so there's more than one Cereza who was taken from the past into the future then brought back to the past again, but only one of them got the necessary advice from Bayonetta herself for her to become strong and not afraid of everything) that was able to live the entire of the 500 Years without allowing JEanne to be controlled and things like that, becoming so strong that she never lost the left eye (which is why I assume she can sumon all the demons without hair actually restraining them too much, but that argument falls flat once you can use B1 bayonetta at the end chapter and she can demon Slave Madama Butterfly without hair constraining her either), this version is Bayonetta feels like the most stupid of them all. For someone who is granted infinite knowledge from the Demon she sumons, and have a special connection with Madama herself, she deos the worst in each chapter.
She fails to save the first Bayonetta, the second one dies literally in front of her, the third one has to sacrifice herself because she used too much fucking power without actually needing that much to begin with, the fourth Bayonetta literally is manipulated in front of her, and isntead of her trying anything to help, she again just watches. It feels like she constantly falls into the enemy traps, a thing she did every once in a while in b1 and b2, but it's insanely more common in B3. To a point it's ridicullous.
But the biggest offender, (Bedides the plot not being at least consistently explained to us in b3), is the fact that she chooses to summon the most Volatile demon in her final strenght.
Let's say it like this: Let's say she didn't had to met Cerecita in this universe, because she was able to fight Balder during the witch hunts, so that was settled before he could summon Cereza (since this cereza is the one who already awakened the left eye), then eventually she would go and meet Loki, and instantly fuck Loptr because she's just that more stronger, still, for the events of Loki to happen, Jeanne still needs to go to hell, right? So Loptr still influences hell and heaven to help him, and Gommorah goes out of control again, tries to kill Bayon and actually kills Jeanne.
That's the first time it does it. No matter whaat Demon Bayo will default after that IF she's smart, she won't summon Gomorrah again, right?? So let's supose B3 timeline goes with Loptr almost as identical as it goes on B2, but with the exepction that he can't fool Bayonetta thiss time and she handle his ass alone, or with a younger Balder. No matter what happens there, she never travels to the past at all, because she's stronger than even Balder at this time, she didn't had a 500 year nap after all.
So we come to B3. She defaults to Gomorrah, fine, there's no God interference now fucking witch magic, but then the summon does NOT works. She is forced to start Demon Slave.
Before Demon Slave is activated Gomorrah ALMOST kill her. She evades it while dancing to activate the Demon Slave, however it is for a fact that Different than other demons, that can actually speak and comunicate, Gomorrah does not take a hot minute before attacking Bayonetta. Just here, B2 Variant would stop him again and never summon him again.
B3, instead of calling any of the demons that are sentient, such as Phantasmaranae or Baal, both demons that actually showed respect towards Cereza's strenght,or even Madama, she decides to go with the most volatile demon that even the game says it's a very hard demon to control.
I am not saying that if she had summoned Madama she wouldn't be taken to hell. As soon as her umbran clock broken the magic that kept her alive would be broken, but at least we would see a way more interesting scene of how Madama would take Bayonetta to hell with her after all: One of the things I never understood about Hell is why the demons who consumes the witche's power are not the ones they made a contract with.
Anyways, B3 is not perfect, but what annoys me is how little they cared about the important details to a point that the game feels so flawed. More so than B1 plot, and that game is all over the place!
FNAF? More like Nier Automata.
I’m back!
Arch Bayonetta in 3 is pure Cereza, right? Like story wise lots of people say it's Bayonetta from 1 and 2?
Yep! Pure Cereza, a.k.a little Cereza from Bayo 1
@@johtojonny Thank you!!
5:10 you were too real for that
LMAO the view count in this vid can attest to that
It used to be a simple, clever subversion of Angels and Demons, and leave it to the Nomura-ficiation of stories to ruin it all. Kingdom Hearts used to be a simple story of Light and Darkness too. I think we need to stop giving too much credit to Platinum as if they really planned all this out. They very likely just pulled things out of their asses when they needed to.
Your intro/outro is very silly, it shows you are no different from an apprentice witch and CLEARLY haven't listened to Morgana's repeated warnings. XD
I think it's super interesting that the first game we see Faeries outside of the forest is the game where Singularity clouds over everything and we don't have much of Angels or Demons. I like to think that the Faeries were Aesir's invention before free will, as an attempt at 'divinity'* originally intended for universes where/when the presence of Paradiso and Inferno may not be as strong in order to take a forefront and keep a sort of balance. Without them in Bayonetta 2, "Jan" dies.
This is a theory (1/3 a notch above pure nothing headcannon) because I'm not as good as you at detail analysis. =\
The only real evidence + example + speculation I have is the beta 0 timeline, which seems to have quite a stronger Faerie presence---Bayonetta is aware of it, despite seeming to have lost her memories (if what she wears even matters). Bayonetta Beta 0 uses Demon Slave in RoT:PA**, yet Rodin considered the technique unsalvageable. No sane Rodin should think Bb0 was the only capable one, but if there were no masses of Angels trying to resurrect Jubileus in that universe (instead aiming for what we see successful in 1) then Rodin would have no halos to buy and would have less incentive to frequently visit the universe. I think if we assumed the theory correct it then both the theory and Rodin's comment would point to the same scenario. (And if we assumed this theory incorrect we could find another one)
I may abridge this further in the future.
* I can't think of a better term for this off the top of my head, but it's mean to mean reminiscent of the Angels but also the Demons which aren't particularly divine
** She keeps the crest for a bit after the summon before it goes away, after she starts moving; and if she got so far to the point where it parallels even where the main Bayonetta in 3 got to then there is no way in Inferno that her Gomorrah willingly just fought all of the Homunculi
Still there is no excuse for Bayo-Luka.
I'm indifferent personally. Idc who she has a romance with I just love her all the same
@@johtojonny imo it would've been way cooler as a power dynamic and not as a romance. Being in a romance kinda detracts from Bayo's character for me. Given that the title of Arch-Eve went from Jeanne to Cereza in B3-verse, the Arch-titles seem like a "most powerful human" thing and not like a specifically Bayo & Luka thing.
@@NeoKat75 yeah agreed. Even still, I'm indifferent even if a little confused by the decision from the devs to jump straight to a romance story
@@NeoKat75 Clearly Balder would have been Arch-Adam if he didn't keep being murderous and getting murdered and mind-controlled for it. =P
Cute yeah until the in game mythos points out they enslave souls 😂
You make some of the best Lore content for the Bayonetta series, but please keep your own personal political bias out of these videos... Let's just have fun discussing our favorite games, no need to get into politics.
🤔 Sorry if the story of descrimination against a group of people resonated with me ❓ based on real life experience. It's not political bias. It's my life. Feel free not to watch my videos if you don't want. I'll continue not to remain silent on issues that make life harder for myself and others, even if it's literally only a 2 second bit in a 15 min video
@@johtojonny and left wing politics made my friend almost homeless as it's been way harder to find a job since Trump "lost" the election, but our side still puts aside issues that harm us as to not divide the fanbase or stoke hate between fellow fans. Don't be oblivious to that fact your side of the spectrum is incredibly harmful to people. I have autism but never mention that when talking about the characters.
@@scary5455 oh? And how exactly is right wing politics more effective for your friend getting a job? Hint: unemployment in the u.s is at an all time low right now thanks to acts passed by our current president... who is a Democrat.
@@johtojonny I've asked him and am waiting for a reply, but the left also harm everybody hurt or killed by illegal and legal immigrants, every child killed in abortion, every person tricked into mutilating themselves, becoming addicted to porn, lacking meaning, lacking community.
I'm also a RUclipsr, but use this as a separate account to unleash opinions, because I don't want to make my audience feel unwelcome or divide them. You could just start another RUclips channel to be divisive.