After this video, catch up with the in-depth analysis on Bayonetta 3's ending and why it wasn't as bad as you thought: ruclips.net/video/nvQf0dRdR2M/видео.html
Something about Umbra witches, manipulators of time, finding a way to trap their biggest adversaries in a never ending time loop of defeat is honestly sick as hell
Jeanne instituting a intentional Stable Time Loop is pretty genius, as is the reveal of soul projection and how it relates to Bayo 3. Really impressed with how it all ties together.
When Jeanne used Soul Projection in Bayo Origins it instantly made a lot of things actually make sense, funny how that technique alone can tie a lot of stuff together and make it work.
I replayed the last 2 chapters of Bayonetta 3 after playing origins and they are a lot less messy than they previously felt. part of them are still iffy but they don't feel deplorable anymore.
I agree Bayonetta/Brave Cereza/Arch Eve Origin is alive aswell! Mostly because of the faerie light that you pointed out as she was getting dragged to hell. A quote from origins when the prince passed away, she thought to herself that she didn’t know where faerie souls went! (Bayonetta 4 Hype!)
yk what makes this game so fun and somewhat better is because the story really remains untouched and allows the story to flourish even further... making B3 THE spinoff. other than that, this further improves and even unravel(?) some of the training the umbra do when they are still younger. also, knowing demon masquerade was the forbidden technique really implies the severity of the situation for b3 and it isnt *just* a new gameplay mechanic!
Yeah agreed! Bayo 3 feels like the spinoff by comparison LMAO 🤣 but the resorting to Deadly Sin and Masquerading is such a weighty feeling in 3 that makes it feel so grand. The story in Origins is what 3 should have been: stands on its own and provides a satisfying beginning, middle, and end
@@georgelucas8815 thanks! Yeah I've been seeing people either not understand it at all or come up with completely incorrect conclusions (like Jeanne soul projecting throughout 3? Even if she was it didn't matter cuz her soul got absorbed but regardless she wasn't since we saw her body shatter) so I really wanted to clarify things for everyone
There's also the possibility of each world and Bayonetta not necessarily being destroyed but shattered. In 3 there are Phenomenal remnants that based on the name seem to be remnants of universes that were destroyed by Singularity so what if there could be phenomenal remnants of the other Bayonettas and Jeannes.
So awesome I thought the same thing. The fact you peeped it too made me so happy. Love your videos and content and can't wait for more. Thank you johto for everything much love and many blessings.
To be fair, people were hating on the tropes, not the plot itself, also the couple. If it was BayoJeanne instead and Bayo 1 and 2 weren't variants people would be a LOT LESS mad, with two simple changes.
Origins should've come out first. Most people who didn't like 3 probably didn't play origins. Don't blame the players, blame whoever decidied to block half the story behind a $60 price tag
I’m wondering if they’re possibly gonna pull a kingdom hearts 3 with this new info. I’m KH 3 they lose, and basically have a restart with the same knowledge of loosing. So now with Jeanne knowing this info, will this alter the timeline? The soul projection thing is a new ability intentionally introduced to use for later story stuff so for sure will be used somewhere.
Ugh how did I miss this! Love your videos 🥰 Bayo origins was suuuuch Ana amazing game and deff made 3 a bit more better for me! Real quick question tho, do you think they will make a Jeanne will in fact get a spin off due to the wording in Bayo Orgins speaks about her?
Hey! Thank you!!! 😊 yes I do think Jeanne will get a spinoff now that Platinum has begun splitting small teams to craft smaller titles. I imagine Jeannes will function similarly to a Persona game but with action combat
While not directly linked to the secret chapter, I'm immensely curious about the Umbran sigil that's on the back of the book in Origins (seen at the end of the credits), as it's unlike any we've seen before. The branches surrounding it probably represent Avalon, and after some brief research the symbol in the upper left circle seems to represent the concept of trinities. The lower right portion of the sigil is what I can't figure out. The only thing that comes to mind is that it's stylistically similar to the homunculi sigil, but it's definitely not an exact match.
I actually really enjoyed this video, along with how much it kinda makes me feel a bit better that really only arch Cereza died, but I just cant go back on my opinion on 3 tbh! I might actually finish Origins now, I love baby Jeanne
Ok look, So ive been into bayo lore since i watched a no commentary gameplay of bayo 1in middle school.... but Bayo 3 is the 1st game ive actually played so I think of Arch eve Origin is my bayo
@Alpha Zio my opinion is since all bayos came back to life, they took there demon back with them since they are technically contracted to them and Brave Cereza only had her 2 demon to choose from and she had used madama butterfly alot in chapter 13 so it made sense to used Gomorrah since he's been on break since chapter 12.
@@023338 Gomorrah is not reliable since in the beginning of the game he tried to kill her while she was doing the demon slave indicated by the red color Gomorrah had
While this sounds great for a future Bayonetta game, where does this leave viola? Would she still me in a mainline game or in a spinoff? Part of me wishes Platinum games would do something of a Dmc5 with cereza and jeanne with equal screen time and stages if viola is still the main character?
Kamiyah mentioned a Viola spinoff game after Bayonetta 3 released so it seems the plan was never to have her become the main character in the main series after all
Okay, I have a proposition on 2024 for Bayonetta’s 15th Anniversary. I want a Director’s Cut version of Bayonetta 3 where Helena Taylor will be voicing the Bayonettas from 1 and 2!
You said Jeanne survived the end of Bayonetta 3? How could she have been soul projecting after she lost her Umbran Watch? How do you sould project I'd your soul is all that's left of you? Surely the Faustian pact Umbran Witches make would allow them to just leave Hell on a whim.
I do have a question, when you finish the campaign with cereza,why did she do her hair like bayo 1? Then when you play jeannes chapter, her hair is like before or did jeanne chapter happen without cereza noticing then she did the updo?
As Derrick said, Jeanne’s chapter takes place during the events of the main campaign, not after. It seems to only effect the Arch Eve Origin timeline though
I watched it after releasing this. As per usual, he and I share a lot of similar analysis... though I do highly disagree with the theory that Jeanne was soul projecting during the entirety of 3 or that it would have even mattered since the outcome was still the same: her soul got absorbed by Singularity. RakunX's channel focuses more on theories more anyways so many of his videos have far more ideas presented within them than mine, while mine are analysis on what we feasibly have to work with. Luckily this gives variety to you guys who watch both of our channels
I still don't understand how B3 and Origins is the same timeline, cause Cereza in b3 didnt recognize Lucaon. So the whole Jeanne knowing about her fate thing makes no sense to me.
What confuses me is that by Jeanne defeating singularity in the past, does that negate what he does in the future or does it create another break in the timeline? So, like, origins Jeanne and Cereza grow up to be the “arch” baddies with no threat to their future because singularity got his ass beaten to death? Can he actually die or does he just go into hibernation for 500 years and try again? And I’m still puzzled as to how Cereza has ZERO memory of Cheshire… I know she’s old, but she held on to the fucking stuffed cat all this time.
This was him after the events of 3. As I said in the video, Jeanne accepting her fate and helping defeat him here solidifies him locked into an endless time loop, doomed to be repeated as it's now full circle. Very similar to Aesir and Balder from Bayo 1 and 2
After this video, catch up with the in-depth analysis on Bayonetta 3's ending and why it wasn't as bad as you thought: ruclips.net/video/nvQf0dRdR2M/видео.html
Something about Umbra witches, manipulators of time, finding a way to trap their biggest adversaries in a never ending time loop of defeat is honestly sick as hell
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"Welcome to the start of THE REST OF YOUR LIFE."
Jeanne instituting a intentional Stable Time Loop is pretty genius, as is the reveal of soul projection and how it relates to Bayo 3. Really impressed with how it all ties together.
Right? I actually love it
FOR REAL. i gotta give it to jeanne, she ALWAYS comes through
@@daeity1 seriously! Talk about a reliable partner!
@@johtojonny fr! everyone needs a jeanne in their lives ✨
When Jeanne used Soul Projection in Bayo Origins it instantly made a lot of things actually make sense, funny how that technique alone can tie a lot of stuff together and make it work.
Right? It's actually so wild. Thank goodness they shed a light on it here
I replayed the last 2 chapters of Bayonetta 3 after playing origins and they are a lot less messy than they previously felt. part of them are still iffy but they don't feel deplorable anymore.
Yeah agreed. The game makes much more sense now
Your videos are helping to look into a much brighter future for Bayonetta 4. Thank you very much, Jonny!
So glad! I think we can expect more great things moving forward
I agree Bayonetta/Brave Cereza/Arch Eve Origin is alive aswell! Mostly because of the faerie light that you pointed out as she was getting dragged to hell. A quote from origins when the prince passed away, she thought to herself that she didn’t know where faerie souls went! (Bayonetta 4 Hype!)
yk what makes this game so fun and somewhat better is because the story really remains untouched and allows the story to flourish even further... making B3 THE spinoff.
other than that, this further improves and even unravel(?) some of the training the umbra do when they are still younger.
also, knowing demon masquerade was the forbidden technique really implies the severity of the situation for b3 and it isnt *just* a new gameplay mechanic!
Yeah agreed! Bayo 3 feels like the spinoff by comparison LMAO 🤣 but the resorting to Deadly Sin and Masquerading is such a weighty feeling in 3 that makes it feel so grand. The story in Origins is what 3 should have been: stands on its own and provides a satisfying beginning, middle, and end
@@johtojonny RIGHT !! i'm sad how the Eyes of the World book confirms that the B3 story is even more WILD than what we got.
I really hope you’re right and wish that Bayo 3 would’ve made understanding it’s ending much better.
Yeah they coulda done a much better job at conveying what was happening but noooo 😂
Now this right is the video I’ve been waiting for! The honest lore explanation!! Thank you so much and I love origins I think it’s very fun.
Origins has been such an amazing experience both in terms of story and gameplay! So glad it cleared up many things from 3
@@johtojonny I’m so glad you explained it properly 😂😂😂
@@georgelucas8815 thanks! Yeah I've been seeing people either not understand it at all or come up with completely incorrect conclusions (like Jeanne soul projecting throughout 3? Even if she was it didn't matter cuz her soul got absorbed but regardless she wasn't since we saw her body shatter) so I really wanted to clarify things for everyone
@@johtojonny and I thank you for doing that and can’t wait for what you got next!
There's also the possibility of each world and Bayonetta not necessarily being destroyed but shattered. In 3 there are Phenomenal remnants that based on the name seem to be remnants of universes that were destroyed by Singularity so what if there could be phenomenal remnants of the other Bayonettas and Jeannes.
i still remember that bayo 1 did a out-of-body sequence when she saved cereza
So awesome I thought the same thing. The fact you peeped it too made me so happy. Love your videos and content and can't wait for more. Thank you johto for everything much love and many blessings.
Thank you! So glad you enjoyed! I'm excited to make more (:
I've been loving these videos because I definitely agree with everything! It clears up so much!
Thank you! I'm loving making these Origins lore videos. It brought so many fun things to the table!
Thank you for this video :) when I finished the game I wasn't totally sure what bayo origins did for the story for 3 until this Xd
Glad I could help! I've been seeing crazy theories lately and really wanted to nip them with the proper explanation
You should make a video categorizing ALL of the visual effects for disappearing, teleportation and death so we have a handy guide to refer back to.
Jonny, you mad genius 👏 this is third eye opening information
Thanks! Hopefully it gets shared around so people can stop sharing misinfo about Jeanne and the story 🤣
Omgg new video!!!
Its amazing how plot that was called by fans worst of the series is turning out be actually much better than that
I'm surprised people thought the plot was ever bad. The writing was very poorly done but otherwise the plot was, to me, one of the stronger points
To be fair, people were hating on the tropes, not the plot itself, also the couple. If it was BayoJeanne instead and Bayo 1 and 2 weren't variants people would be a LOT LESS mad, with two simple changes.
Origins should've come out first. Most people who didn't like 3 probably didn't play origins. Don't blame the players, blame whoever decidied to block half the story behind a $60 price tag
@@hydro7373 Origins really should have came first. It probably woulda sold better too if it did
7:05 "I never saw... HE never showed me THIS!"
I’m wondering if they’re possibly gonna pull a kingdom hearts 3 with this new info. I’m KH 3 they lose, and basically have a restart with the same knowledge of loosing. So now with Jeanne knowing this info, will this alter the timeline? The soul projection thing is a new ability intentionally introduced to use for later story stuff so for sure will be used somewhere.
I think they did alter it but if they didn't then they should make that clear lmao
Ugh how did I miss this!
Love your videos 🥰
Bayo origins was suuuuch Ana amazing game and deff made 3 a bit more better for me!
Real quick question tho, do you think they will make a Jeanne will in fact get a spin off due to the wording in Bayo Orgins speaks about her?
Hey! Thank you!!! 😊 yes I do think Jeanne will get a spinoff now that Platinum has begun splitting small teams to craft smaller titles. I imagine Jeannes will function similarly to a Persona game but with action combat
I love your content , your explanations are very detailed
This is some of ur best work Jonny!!!
Wow thank you! Hopefully the video gets spread around more then!
While not directly linked to the secret chapter, I'm immensely curious about the Umbran sigil that's on the back of the book in Origins (seen at the end of the credits), as it's unlike any we've seen before. The branches surrounding it probably represent Avalon, and after some brief research the symbol in the upper left circle seems to represent the concept of trinities. The lower right portion of the sigil is what I can't figure out. The only thing that comes to mind is that it's stylistically similar to the homunculi sigil, but it's definitely not an exact match.
Very curious. I'll have to take a look
Light
Dark
Chaos
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I'm so glad 🎉🎉❤❤❤ they are alive 😅
Me too tbh. Huge sigh of relief
I hope bayo 3 turns up to be alive😭
So it sounds like Jeanne pulled a doctor strange with the time stone seeing all failure except one.
I actually really enjoyed this video, along with how much it kinda makes me feel a bit better that really only arch Cereza died, but I just cant go back on my opinion on 3 tbh! I might actually finish Origins now, I love baby Jeanne
So glad! The Bayonetta series is so fascinating to me
Both games were produced around the same time too so this was intentional, maybe.
Ok look, So ive been into bayo lore since i watched a no commentary gameplay of bayo 1in middle school.... but Bayo 3 is the 1st game ive actually played so I think of Arch eve Origin is my bayo
All i can say is that she tried her best and even tho i wouldnt have used Gomorrah thats what she chose
@@alphazio8267 well hey she succeeded in the end
@Alpha Zio my opinion is since all bayos came back to life, they took there demon back with them since they are technically contracted to them and Brave Cereza only had her 2 demon to choose from and she had used madama butterfly alot in chapter 13 so it made sense to used Gomorrah since he's been on break since chapter 12.
@@023338 Gomorrah is not reliable since in the beginning of the game he tried to kill her while she was doing the demon slave indicated by the red color Gomorrah had
@@023338 I just think Gamorrah had the more powerful attack she could muster
if the other Bayo's are alive, and if they insist on a Viole game, then they better show us her specific mother. Maybe even her trying to get home.
Jeanne carring the game, like always jsjs
Im really hoping this April fool's has a platinum surprise that's gonna make us all feel stupid lol
It’ll be April Fools 2031
While this sounds great for a future Bayonetta game, where does this leave viola? Would she still me in a mainline game or in a spinoff? Part of me wishes Platinum games would do something of a Dmc5 with cereza and jeanne with equal screen time and stages if viola is still the main character?
Kamiyah mentioned a Viola spinoff game after Bayonetta 3 released so it seems the plan was never to have her become the main character in the main series after all
I want the villain for bayo 4 to be like aku from samurai jack
I want a long running villain who lasts an entire nother trilogy
Too bad he’s already dead.
Don’t get me wrong this makes the ending less crappy but i still dislike how they try to pull a disney ending on us
Okay, I have a proposition on 2024 for Bayonetta’s 15th Anniversary. I want a Director’s Cut version of Bayonetta 3 where Helena Taylor will be voicing the Bayonettas from 1 and 2!
*voicing ALL, please 🤣 but also just a definitive edition since the graphics for 3 suffered from Switch hardware (which is rare for a Nintendo game)
nah trans ppl are too cool
@@johtojonny Don't forget Rosa, which voice was she before 3?
You said Jeanne survived the end of Bayonetta 3? How could she have been soul projecting after she lost her Umbran Watch? How do you sould project I'd your soul is all that's left of you? Surely the Faustian pact Umbran Witches make would allow them to just leave Hell on a whim.
I do have a question, when you finish the campaign with cereza,why did she do her hair like bayo 1? Then when you play jeannes chapter, her hair is like before or did jeanne chapter happen without cereza noticing then she did the updo?
Jeanne's Chapter takes place during Cereza's. I'm not exactly sure where but it happens after Cereza cuts her hair but before the end of the game.
As Derrick said, Jeanne’s chapter takes place during the events of the main campaign, not after. It seems to only effect the Arch Eve Origin timeline though
wonder if you saw RakunX video over this subject
I watched it after releasing this. As per usual, he and I share a lot of similar analysis... though I do highly disagree with the theory that Jeanne was soul projecting during the entirety of 3 or that it would have even mattered since the outcome was still the same: her soul got absorbed by Singularity.
RakunX's channel focuses more on theories more anyways so many of his videos have far more ideas presented within them than mine, while mine are analysis on what we feasibly have to work with. Luckily this gives variety to you guys who watch both of our channels
Jeanne, did she die? Or still alive but didn't appear at the end?
I believe she came back to life
I still don't understand how B3 and Origins is the same timeline, cause Cereza in b3 didnt recognize Lucaon. So the whole Jeanne knowing about her fate thing makes no sense to me.
I thought she was dead in Bayonetta 3.
how many secret chapters does this game have?
Only one. And it is not really even a "secret". You get it right after beating the game properly.
AWFUL GAME!! this game should've been like a Diablo clone, I made it to chapter 2 and just quit it. I'm not using analogs to control 2 characters.
Oh my
Skill issue lmfao
It’s iffy at first but you get used to it, just pay attention
No. Skills ha nothing to do with this crappy game. @@roamingtheinternet8652
What confuses me is that by Jeanne defeating singularity in the past, does that negate what he does in the future or does it create another break in the timeline? So, like, origins Jeanne and Cereza grow up to be the “arch” baddies with no threat to their future because singularity got his ass beaten to death? Can he actually die or does he just go into hibernation for 500 years and try again? And I’m still puzzled as to how Cereza has ZERO memory of Cheshire… I know she’s old, but she held on to the fucking stuffed cat all this time.
This was him after the events of 3. As I said in the video, Jeanne accepting her fate and helping defeat him here solidifies him locked into an endless time loop, doomed to be repeated as it's now full circle. Very similar to Aesir and Balder from Bayo 1 and 2