Even if it does, perhaps this should not have been bayonetta 3 with this plot, but bayonetta 4 instead. Have bayonetta 3 give a spectacular senfoff to the convoluted intertwined timelines of bayo 1 and 2, and its theme of balance. For the abstract combat opener we delve one last time into the themes of this trilogy, balance, free will, and the price of fighting for it. Bayo 3 opens on a halloween cityscape, that quickly escalates through the prologue into the apocalypse. Demons invade purgatorio, and your demonic summons will not head your call. We make it to the Gates of Hell cafe, and get the explainer: with us finishing off the god of unified creation, and the god of chaos, now there is no one left to guard the barrier between the realms. Only a lumen sage, and a powerful one at that, could put this right. Loki, knowing as usual where to be and when, offers a suggestion. Bayo is a child of the lumen sages. She can probably learn their arts, if he sends her back in time. Act 1 through 3 see bayonetta trying to find a lumen mentor. Earning the right to speak to the head of the lumen sages but ultimately gets rejected. She is about to give up on this plan and start looking for another way when a lumen sage catches up to her. He has gone rogue from the order for this but agrees that if things in her time are that dire he will not let the world end if he can help it. This is an even younger Baldur. We take him to a hidden training grounds and begin to spar, when we are caught there by an umbran witch, bringinging the story of the past to completion with bayonetta accidentally causing her parents to meet. At this point we hit the first major plottwist, as we're yanked back into present day with only very basic training. Why? Well, the Gates of Hell cafe is under attack, breaking Loki's focus. Act 4 sees bayonetta trying to escape the place with Enzo who is somehow always there, and loki, while our favorite bartender unleashes his full might to stop the big nasty from persuing us. The plot from there would then see us return to Isla del sol to learn more from what was left behind by the last lumen, as well as other special locations both new and returning as bayonetta slowly learns the to her unnatural ways of the lumen sages to take the fight to the Father of Lies, which is what i would call the big bad of hell title wise. For summons in this game she learns hoe to bring out her father's angelic companions.
They just wanted to kill jeanne cuz they were queer baiting and they didn't want to follow through... THAT. Is the only explanation (that I'll accept) in WHY, THE FXCK? Could that happen.
I guess metal gear rising did a similar thing when Jetstream Sam kicks your butt but only after you have the hype moment of flipping the metal gear ray
This was prevalent in Bayo 2 too in some bosses for the plot as well which lead to a blue-balled kinda frustration. I understand due to balder being in his prime who is definitely formidable but the other bosses was overdone a bit.
@@tavoiradio7667 I agree on Loptr but I think the plot made Bayo and Balder feel very equal, the one time we see her in a semi-losing situation was when she felt bad for him after finding out that he was trying to avenge Rosa
The multiverse is a concept of infinite possibilities, but in Bayonetta: 1) Every Bayonetta is a woman 2) Every Bayonetta is an Umbran Witch 3) No Bayonetta is a Lumen Sage Which implies that Baldur never being able to raise his daughter is a fixed point. Which is just.....so sad for no good reason
I thought it would have been cool to see an alternative universe where bayonetta was raised by Balder and worked along side him similar to the France chapters
Yeah, I think that the main thing that defines the Bayonetta series is that Bayonetta IS the thing, she is the queen, the diva, main point, lowkey the only entity that matters in her universe. Something that she says to singularity that to me kinda defines her is "clearly you havent been payin attention, the truth is what I make it" its like she knows she is the main protagonist, that she is supposed to win!
Yeah I mean the way I interpreted it is that she restored all the worlds including her own (and Jeanne) but she herself died in the end. It's fine, but the contrived circumstances leading to the other worlds being wiped out in the first place were ridiculous
@@sandersGG no, I actually don't mind a multiverse... but it felt like they didn't take advantage of the game taking place in a multiverse. Interactions were almost completely nonexistent lol. And the variants died almost immediately every time by contrived circumstances
@@sandersGG If you read the comment at all, you would understand that's not what he said. But i guess it takes having Bayonetta's IQ at the end of the game to deliberately misunderstand the point.
@@FEKana what do you mean the first comment literally said the other multiverse getting destroyed was contrived and ridiculous without giving an explanation so why is it so wrong for me to basically ask for clarification like you clearly haven’t fully read that comment yourself You low iq clown
Never thought about it but if she summoned Madam Butterfly...she probably wouldn't have died. Madam Butterfly has been shown to work very well with her
@@mysteriousdestiny6672 any demon other than gamma ray would have worked even Baal at that point with her incredible voice but yeah madama butterfly is shown to be the most loyal demon she has and is also her main oacted demon so I have no clue why she would ever summon gammorah considering that he tried to kill her at the beginning of the game too
I almost never used him in-game cause he’s so slow and can get staggered mid-attack. Virtually any other demon could’ve hit that Homunculi like 5 times in the time it took for him to charge up.
Yea Gomorrah while is my objective favorite summon is very much not loyal. Madama or any of the talking demons would have been a better choice over Gomorrah
Gommora already showed that it was never against making Bayo its own snack since 2. Heck it seemed to be intent to do so this game when the Homunculi showed it wouldn't be the divine snack it wanted. Why was this guy still on the payroll? Also, no Madama Butterfly meant a missed chance at yet another 'Punch final boss into thing that will kill them' moment that was in Bayo 1 and 2.
Bayo collecting all her variants for the final fight and wrapping it up with “you fucked with the wrong witch” would’ve been perfect. But we got what we got
When I got to the multiple different variants of Bayonetta. I went yes we're gonna turn this around somehow. I'm super upset with the ending. Especially with Jeanna popping up then disappearing again 😭
There was also a "punch/kick a god into space" moment missing in the final boss. We could've had the Bayo Trio summon Hecate, a Six-armed, three moon eyed Madama Buttferly that punches Singularity so hard it's like the six page Muda but 1000× more painful before getting uppercutted into the sun or getting eaten by Jeanne's Gomorrah, with Jeanne fully resurrected this time.
Pinkonetta: dies to worm that was slower than the one viola dodged in chapter 7 Chinesonetta: dies to slow ass hand coming from a mile away Emo jeanne: dies because she’s somehow extremely dumb White bayonetta: self sacrifice even though she could have just demon masqueraded and carried our bayo to safety Frenchonetta: dies to slow ass bug even though she dodged literall bullets. Cereza the dumb: dies because she summons a demon that tried to kill her MULTIPLE TIMES What the fuck bruh
@@DTB3RG4D987 Pinkonetta's (love that name) death was so infuriating because back in 1, og Bayo could literally pry herself outside of Fortitudo's jaws like nothing. So there's no way in hell anyone can convince me the jaws of that green tapeworm was that much stronger that a version of Bayonetta was unable to escape
@@DTB3RG4D987 Don't forget that she barely used any other summons through out the game heck even in 2 she used her bird, frog, lion, multi hands, spider, horse, serpent, madama, & Shiba just to name a few but in 3 she mainly used Gomorrah & madama butterfly you don't get to use the frog till later in the game not to mention the weapons are kinda meh & down right weird like the clock tower & the express it doesn't really give that wow factor like the ice skates, bazookas, gun chucks, etc tbh I see why this game should've been boycotted lol
@@tronix2214 yeah there are lots of things that were toned down in this one :( it also makes me mad about how our bayo could’ve summoned other demons to save the other bayo’s but instead she just shot at them with her guns. Also dont like how they replaced bracelet of time with clock tower. Should’ve stuck with madama keprii or somethin
I agree with you on the fact that Bayonetta should have summoned Madama Butterfly instead of Gomorrah. Even if her Umbran Watch broke, Madama Butterfly would not have straight up killed her because they are best friends, but Gomorrah? She and Gomorrah had beef the moment Bayonetta tried to feed her a man made bioweapon instead of an Angel during the first fight with the Homunculi. She had to literally control him against his will in order to force him to fight for her, and when she lost control by having her Umbran Watch broken, Gomorrah was absolutely going to kill her with no hesitation.
No literally and Madama Butterfly willingly joined in the battle against the Hommunculi. Bayonetta says something along the lines of “you want to join the fight” and you unlock Madama Butterfly. There was absolutely no reason for her to use Gomorrah there considering that Madama Butterfly is stronger and would not have betrayed her 🥲
@@EconaelGaming no literally. If I was Bayonetta I wouldn’t have trusted Gomorrah in any important situation ever again. He tried to kill her once and she shouldn’t have let him get another chance
@@EconaelGamingSeriously, the whole reason the story of Bayonetta 2 all started in the first place was from the simple fact he mollywhopped Jeanne so hard she died and we LITERALLY had to go through Hell and back to save her. Controlling Gomorrah is like trying to domesticate a wild lion.
The most ironic thing about Jeanne’s “first” death is that right before she gets stabbed, Bayonetta gets GUTTED by Strider and just brushes it off with hair regeneration. Multiple times throughout the many singularity fights, in one instance the Bayonettas are kicking ass just to all be wiped out with some kind of power wave from Singularity Balance. When one of the BIGGEST things about Umbra witches is their dexterity and swiftness, it makes no sense to be this inconsistent. This game has such great footing, then rips it away with little dialogue and lack of effort in writing a multiverse scenario.
The way Sigurd stabbed and killed Jeanne was clearly more than just mere decapitation. It was the same effect on Jeanne as the other Bayos being killed by Singularity Yeah it sucks Jeanne had to die but its clearly not just a regular stab wound from the dude literally erasing the multiverse and with experience killing Umbra Witches and many other versions of Jeanne
@@sandersGG there’s literally nothing that shows his power properly like what are his beams made of, why can he avoid witchtime and how does he control fate? None of it is explained and is just a bunch of bs
I could not agree with that aspect of femininity more; the fact that there is such a powerful female character out there who is not ashamed of her identity, and her sexuality is so empowering the fact that they’re even considering taking that away, is so depressing
That's the main reason that the franchise has a large LGBTQ fanbase despite straight men being the target audience. Because Bayonetta is so unapologetically herself
In a era where they demand ugly women, Bayo was a breath of fresh air and they took her away, with Helena now persona non grata we may never see her again outside of spinoffs and Smash
Do you guys believe that if Babylon’s Fall wasn’t a victim of Platinum Game’s desire for Independence and Japan’s passive bigotry towards Trans and Queer people, then the development, story and characters in Bayonetta 3 wouldn’t have been so tasteless
I'm so glad someone else is saying this. You mean to tell me that Jeanne, who instantly shot at Viola because of her suspicions about her, could not see that Sigurd (the guy who looks also very similar in design to the Homunculi) may have something to do with all of this? Like not at one point did she stop and think while infiltrating the building, "Hm, these enemies seem to just exist in here. They don't seem to be actively looking for this Sigurd, there's something wrong here." And upon seeing Sigurd from this world she shoulda just shot him in his bald ass head. Viola should've known that Singularity would've impacted Brave Cereza's world in some way, so why outwardly trust Sigurd in this Universe?
Literally right at the beginning you see the Sigurd in Viola's universe was the one human alive helping her. There was no reason for her NOT to think Sigurd would be evil since she didn't know he was Singularity, and she trusted the one from her world.
@@moonpresence9707 I think we as the audience have the benefit of knowing things before they may happen, but as for Viola I'd argue why would she assume Sigurd, let alone anyone, is trustable in other universes knowing Singularity gets to other universes before she can? Knowing he has the power to possess and control people and change reality? How in those other universes she's possibly been to, she didn't take that into account before sending Jeanne and Bayonetta out to trust a guy she knows personally in one universe, but doesn't even know personally in *this* universe? I get your point as I've thought of that, too, but it still doesn't feel right that Viola didn't consider that at all.
I want to add that I feel like this game suffers from a trend that I see most overpowered characters suffer as their stories continue: They downplay the protagonist in order to try to show how powerful the enemies are, but all it does it make the character seem weaker and making it a poor continuation of a character that should've had no problem with what was shown
Exactly idk if you seen or heard of jujitsu kaisen but this is what they are literally doing to gojo currently having him trapped in a box when he’s literally obliterated curses like come on..
You’ve condensed what so many of us have been feeling so well. My biggest disappointment was that they did barely anything with the Brave Cereza plotline. I understand that it’s important to set realistic expectations. But I really did expect to see Cereza travel to our Bayo’s universe to save her, in a nostalgic play on the events from the first game. Especially in conjunction with the lyrics of Al Fine, which I thought were about Cereza’s connection to OG Bayo, not… Luka x Bayo. The end result instead feels like a clumsy attempt at fan service, rather than an epic, full-circle reunion. They could have made her death scene work so well with this concept, too! Imagine ‘We are as One’ playing as Cereza comes to OG Bayo’s aid during the final boss, smiling as she sacrifices herself to save everyone in the multiverse. After all, didn’t she say that ‘witches protect people, and are very strong!’ in the first game?
This was my hope! I'd even thought that Whispers of Destiny was about Mummy Bayo and Brave Cereza reuniting once again. (Though the 'Chesire' should have been a dead giveaway..) Her death could probably have worked better here, as she is finally able to show that she is brave by sacrificing her life to protect her mummy. OG Bayo's appearance in this game felt like cheap fanservice since she dipped before the battle ended and didn't even get to say goodbye to Cereza before she had to go to Inferno.
@@JohtoJonnyYT I think that the Al Fine (Whispers of Destiny) song is about Cheshire (Luka) and Bayonetta (Cereza). I was listening to the song and started to recognize that at the end of the Singularity fight and everything else, Luka and Cereza shared their final moment together and got taken to Inferno. So, that's my thoughts on the whole thing.😕
There was a scrapped concept for not Vigrid, but Fimbulventr. I think them retiring Vigrid for this game was a good choice. It did show up in Bayo 2 after all. So Fimbulventr's return would be nice.
In the masked lumen/Baldur fight in Bayonetta 2, chapter 7 (The Ark) Bayonetta can literally dodge bullets travelling at their normal speed. Baldur activates light speed (lumen sage version of witch time) and places the bullets behind Bayonetta. Time was literally frozen and she still had the superhuman reflexes to dodge bullets. I can't suspend my disbelief to think that the bayo variants dying were anything but contrived and cheap.
same, i was kind of annoyed that my efforts were kind of for nothing, especially since we don't concretely know if the variants were revived, or if b3's jeanne was either
@@KaiKrimson56 i did. I went in completely blind to EVERYTHING. A month after it was released i was hyped to finally be able to play it after replaying the first one. And immediately after getting to the credits, i didn't even wait.. i unistalled.
I'm just confused why have Rodin intervene in the beginning chapter just to be absent during the final battle. Bayonetta is facing the biggest threat in the series and we didn't have the immortal one by our side to fight with
I swear every poorly written game does this and it’s so frustrating and a character is super powerful and just flat out doesn’t help their ally for literally no reason lmao
Supposedly i read somewhere that he “cant intervene w problems of the chaos realm” because his power could like “destroy it” or something, but it literally doesnt make any sense cus the realms r just layers topped together… not separate universes… so if singularity destroyed the (multi) universes universe then they would all die lmfao. He could’ve also just not have used ALL of his power, just enough to beat him 💀
@@bayenate apparently there were 2 levels after France that they cancelled, one would have been for Rodin and one for Jeanne. Probably would have explained what he was off doing while the events of the game took place.
Finally someone said what I've been saying all along. They killed their personalities to give a dumb plot. That's why I hate what they did with her here.
That's what I was saying on Reddit! Bayonetta is an elegant, sexy, and strong person, even when Jeanne was dying in hell she took the time to enjoy herself on the way and throw her best quotes.
COMPLETELY AGREE!!! The game's story really is the epitome of "why did I bother?" I especially got that feeling in the last of the Egyptian chapters. The game has really big levels, and lots of hidden collectible, so it always took me a lot of time to finish each chapter on my first playthrough. And after having seen the first 2 variants die, then the Jeanne variant die as well, I thought "ok, well maybe Jeanne was the Arch-Eve and this Bayo variant will survive", but then obviously no. I spent 1hr on a chapter just to see our Bayonettea fail again! And there are so many other example, the worst I can think of are Viola's fight with Strider in Egypt where she gets defeated in cutscenes twice (even after activating her Faerie powers!!!) and the final battle against Singularity where Bayo needs to be constantly saved just to die in the end. Also, the game really disappointed with the variants. The first two games really made me expect an interaction like "hi, I'm the Cereza you saved, I didn't get locked up by Jeanne, we fought angels together and ended up rebuilding the Umbra clan, this girl Viola is one of our apprentices", instead we got "I'm you from a universe stuck in medieval times for some reason, no time to explain because I'm going to die soon, teehee" Also, the game really introduced the concept of the multiverse, but didn't actually have the balls to outright say that this version of Bayonetta is Brave Cereza! Sure, there are hints, but when the game tries to gaslight us into thinking the second game was an alternate timeline instead of a sequel, can you blame me for not believing this to be Brave Cereza?
Yeahhh i agree with your comment, because there are comments about "bayo 2 is another timeline" etc etc. But the bayo 2 story is about the ending of the first (also there are some cutscenes about it) (Pd: i dont speak English)
This game feels like it wasnt even attempted to be made either Glitches are everywhere writing is lazy and plotholes galore and the multiverse thing is just a huge mess.
Don't forget about the fight with Strider in Paris, France where instead of defending herself in her Fae Form, Viola decided to talk Strider Luka down and got the receiving end of his claws.😑 I mean, where's the characters' brain cells in this game?🤦♀️
@@ashleyyoung796 the game is just a joke, the only good thing is the combat, the rest is trash. I was playing bayo 1, and the diferences are a lot, the cutscenes are better, and the graphics, they dont look like 480p bayo 3 gameplay
@@Adri564style Yeah, I agree that the first Bayonetta game looks good unlike the burning trash heap of a third game. I wish that I could've bought the first and second game (if I had some really good money to buy them) for my Switch instead of the third one though.😕
You know, i think the most tragic thing about blowing their load with Multiverse so soon, is that the story actually had the *perfect* excuse to segue into it set up by the second game (the effects of which i don't believe they ever brought up again). With Loki erasing the Eyes of the World which preside over time - 'The world will be destroyed, or it will find a new path. Human free will shall determine which way it goes.' The setup for that reverberation of events to lead into a world in revolution trying to turn over a new order was practically on a silver platter. so that if they must, with 'time is no longer being watched over', could say that the barriers of parallel timelines are not being clearly defined anymore. and you know what gold mine that would've been ripe for? Worldbuilding. Show us the cultures of the Lumen Sages and Umbra Witches before the fall (or as if they never fell), their cities and legends, duties and rituals, struggles and conflicts in their roles as overseers of Paradiso and Inferno. There's no way the freaking bible and Christianity 'only' had enough content for two games barely dipping one into the other of the otherworlds.
I replayed the trilogy recently and it's just so jarring how out of place 3 is in tone and execution. Even though Bayonetta 3 took 5ish years to come out I feel like it's developed was rushed. Kamiya mentioned how he pitched 3 after Scalebound was cancelled. Moral must have been pretty low due to the cancellation since many platinum veterans left the company-many of which worked on Bayo 1 and 2. I also remember reading a few articles mentioning how they wanted Bayonetta 3 to be open world-which never came to fruition due to hardware limitations causing the team to backtrack and readjust their development plans. I'm assuming this maybe lead to a "shadow delay". Not to mention we also know that unlike 1 and 2 being developed in stages in chronological order of the games' story sequences, 3 was developed in parts out of order-I'm not very educated in game development so I do not know if this would drastically affect their opportunity to change anything in regards to story or environment. Overall, I feel like they were rushed to push a successful product due to their recent cancellation and other failures which lead to it's story and characters being an afterthought. Bayonetta's stories have never been praised as masterpieces but they've always been props to demonstrate Cereza as a strong and confident woman which 3 lacks drastically.
Yeah all their work since then has been really depressing. Nier Automata, Astral Chain, Babylons Fall, etc... though for those games it worked. Bayonetta franchise doesn't fit sad and depressing
@@JohtoJonnyYT nier is yoko taro's baby, im not sure it fits here along with platinum's own games lol sure they probably deserve credit for gameplay and mechanics, but considering we're talking story I'm not sure they do in this case
@@seija8588 yes I'm aware. But what I'm saying is since they worked on it, they took notes from it but they took the wrong notes. They missed the footnote that character deaths are only impactful if they have a point
So many of the points you make I agree with all my being. Bayonetta is my favorite game and just favorite fictional character in general. It's so rare to find a female protagonist who is powerful without sacrificing their femininity. What made the games great is the control the player feels when playing Bayonetta. The developers even said when after defeating angels she blows a kiss to destroy barrier that's important to show that she could have done that the entire time- she was always in control. Enemies literally run away from her because SHE'S the boss fight. While in the third game Bayonetta was never in control, in most cutscenes she's struggling or not,,, owning the situation at all. Not only she had no control, her personality was so terribly watered down in the third game. Like you said it was almost as if Bayonetta was an after thought in her own goddamn game. I also think the entirety of the multiverse plot was very...... dumb. Never once are we even given valid facts in the game stating singularity's motives or who he even is like he's just here.... destroying stuff... also he gives viola and bayo the fake task to go out and seek all of the chaos gears so he can betray them later and claim them for himself but..... throughout the game it was us.... taking them from his goons.... or an alt bayo..... that he easily killed....... so what was the point..... he already had them..... what was the fucking point 😭 But yeah Bayonetta three and the games to come betray Bayonetta as a franchise, I could really list more gripes I have but I don't think there's enough time in the universe for me to display my immense disappointment and resentment towards this title. Literally never felt so cheated from a freaking video game or work of fiction in general.
Oh believe me there's plenty more gripes from me as well, but I think these were my largest ones. It's such a shame really that they betrayed her and the franchise so heavily
Completely agreed. Bayo 1 and 2 always had ways to divert a bad situation and swing it into Bayonetta's favour with style. This can either be a serious scenario like Bayo saving Jeanne's soul just in time and acting like she didn't almost cry, or a goofy situation like Luka "saving" Bayo from a fall only to have Bayo reject his help since Bayo wouldn't even struggle falling from high heights. The games never took themselves too seriously, but still had serious moments to show that it can pull off a good story. Bayo 3 forgot that rule and took itself way too seriously, trying to pull off emotional moments at every relevant corner.
I really appreciate you being so open with how the ending made you feel. The ending was devastating for me. Watching them piss on her grave by giving her name away made me want to puke.
I agree that the Bayo-variants should've been able to join the team, similar to Viewtiful Joe (I think). There could've been a challenge where Brave Cereza at least was able to save them, rather than just waiting for them to die and get her new weapon. If they were failed to be rescued in the challenge, the moon and singularity fight would've been harder, resulting in the game taking a turn for the worse, akin to a pacifist, neutral, and genocide run(like in Undertale), each with its own ending and reward to the player. The game's ending where Bayo is defeated could've been the genocide ending, with the failure of saving the other Variants. A full savior(pacifist) run would've been hard to achieve but led to the best ending: Bayo, Luka, and Jeanne are safe, Viola is able to actually earn the title of Bayonetta(if the story will still go on that plot point), and dark eve's fight actually not feeling like something hastily added in. Heck, they could've had Viola interact with her multiversal moms to learn from them, even if Viola wasn't revealed to be her daughter. Even the clocktower fight in France, where Rosa dies, it could've given Bayo an idea of how to save her French-Bayo counterpart, rather than just exploding her with songs. Or when in Egypt, one of the Bayo's could've just activated witch time and safely bring her back. There could've been so much that happened in the 3rd game, where it should've given a sense of accomplishment and nostalgia than just disappointment and letdowns.
LONDON ?! _LONDON ?!_ IT'S PARIS ! THEY SAY IT THEMSELF IN THE GAME ! YOU LITERALLY BEGIN IN THE CHAMPS-ELYSEE IN FRONT OF THE ARC OF TRIUMPH ! THERE'S FRENCH WRITTEN EVERYWHERE ! ACCORDION MUSIC ! THE ARSENE LUPIN REFERENCES ! THE SOLDIERS SPEAK FRENCH ! EVEN BAYO, ROSA AND ENZEAU SPRINKLE THEIR LINES WITH FRENCH !
@@NIHIL_EGO Don't take too much offense to it, I only now realize that people refer to her as French-Bayo. Also, I haven't played the game yet, so I'm mostly getting the information from gameplay and the wiki. As for the landmark cues, yeah I should've remembered the Arc de Triomphe was by Napoleon, and he was from France. The correction is made, but if you know which place I was talking about, then no need for much of the fuss.
Oh, so like a good ending, bad ending, and probably an "incomplete" ending. Lots of games have that, it would've worked really well with this. *Especially* with the multiverse stuff
For me it was the underused variants. The whole point of the multiverse in fiction is to fuck around with characters and see what they would be like in different worlds. Yes we do have Bayonettas from different countries and backgrounds, yet they are really lacking in depth. It feels very much like they just thought "hey wouldn't it be cool if we had a Bayonetta from a different country??" and rolled with it. We barely get to know them! The dialogue is almost nonexistent between the variants and brave Cereza and they just die immediately after the fight's over, so why am i supposed to care about them when there's so little of them to begin with? For me, the most interesting of them is Egyptian Bayo, because we actually get to see her little arc and see her struggles and her desire to be better, THAT makes me get attached to her, she's actually a character and not just a cool new skin. Her death actually made me sad compared to all the others, which were just plain dumb. Imagine all the cool interactions we could have had if they were more developed and omg the dialogue on this game is ridiculous, Singularity is shit talking bayo and she's just like 😐 Overall, the multiverse plot though cool, is very disappointing because it failed to deliver what it was supposed to, introduce different versions of Bayo who were just as interesting and compelling as the main one. Sorry for the rant, i just had a lot of feelings about it and i'm very glad i got to share my point of view on this topic, your videos are awesome and you got a new subscriber!
I wish that Bayonetta actually followed Devil May Cry because at least in that game when they introduced a new protagonist (Nero) they didn't use his debut game to make him the main character at the end.
Yeah. If nothing else Bayo 3 should've been more along the lines of DMC4. We focus a little more on Viola (especially since she's kinda the one who sets all this in motion), she learns a few tips and trick from Bayonetta, and grows a little from the experience. Not to mention give her more than three levels where we play as her and basically have to relearn her combat style after playing as Bayonetta or some variant for the bulk of the story.
This is a very small nick pick but it's been bothering me... Why does Viola have a katana!? Bayonetta grew up in Vigrid, which is in Europe, and has a British accet. Luka comes off as if he was born and raised in the western hemisphere and is connected to fairies from the western variant, as there mentions of the Avalon Forest and Queen Mabe, who are from folklore from the UK, and Viola has fairies powers. So why doesn't she have like an broad sword or like Excalibur!?
Cheshire smoke japanese pipe Rodin don't know about him maybe he is a bakeneko but Cereza named him as Cheshire so that's why he transform to katana not broad sword
to be fair, bayonetta can wield shuraba in the first two games and it's like, the first weapon she can unlock in the games. assuming that her mum is the one who trained viola how to fight, katanas are probably just what bayonetta's most comfortable using after the pistols and teaching viola to.
I saw someone mention Nero in Devil May Cry and I can't help but have the same opinion. Capcom gave us at least some time to get to know him and grow to like him before torch passing. Viola was relatively forced into the position on the spot and she's nowhere near developed enough to take the spotlight from the queen just yet. In the future? Maybe. But we just met her and it would not work well this way. It feels like a game for her will come out now and people will go "this isn't a bayonetta game anymore" Now I love her to bits, I do. But TIME is what was needed for her. It is essential.
It would be like if Capcom did DMC5's story without ever doing 4's. People would have been furious if they passed the torch to Nero in the game that introduced him. ESPECIALLY if they did it by killing Dante off.
There is also the fact Nero at least look like his father and uncle, he is worthy being the protagonist of DMC. Viola is not likable, or worthy of anything.
I love the mention of Astral Chain. Exactly, in Astral Chain, you're just a normal man or woman that becomes the last hope of humanity to beat an enemy that you don't even know if can't be defeated at all, the Quimeras, and the Legion feel key to the character, because they're the tool that let your character fight, without them, all his hope it's lost. In Bayonetta, Bayonetta should always be capable of having enough power to overcome everything she faces, not die to a perfectly telegraphed attack. Look at Bayo 1, she can dodge bullets without even looking at them, and in Bayo 2, she can destroy bosses even without a Climax Attack, but she does them anyway because it's Bayo identity to be extra, it's not about showing her power, it's about how THAT power is her very own identity. Remember in Bayonetta 2 when Loptr actually is capable of hurting her, after 2 completely games of cutscenes of Bayo dodging everything? THAT'S was impactful, an enemy that actually is a real danger to Bayonetta, because it's equal to her in power. And don't get me started on the Viola thing... I really like her design, the idea behind their gameplay and her goofiness, but they did my girl dirty in the "character development" part...
This game tried so hard to sell the idea of Bayo 3 being "the bravest Cereza" even though she felt the least capable out of the 3 Bayonettas. Bayo 1 felt like a seasoned fighter and really knew what she was doing. She still had setbacks, but made up for them while doing it Bayonetta-style. Bayo 2 took Bayo 1 to the next level in terms of story, telling us more about the Lumen Sages and even showing what they're capable of. She reasonably struggled throughout the story, but still kept it lighthearted because that's what Bayonetta does. No matter the situation, she's still campy and makes every fight a fun spectacle for herself and for her opponents. Nothing goofier than doing a father-daughter dance ritual that summons a giant lady in order to punch a naked man's spirit into an elephant's mouth. Bayo 3 threw out half of what made Bayonetta... Bayonetta. Her seasoned fighting skills, fast reactions times, abilities as a witch, and her confidence all felt so muted. Her campy attitude did show up a few times like doing a dance off with Baguetta, but it wasn't nearly enough. She just watched as people died most of the time and Witch Time was painfully under-utilized. It never felt like Cereza was in control of the situation.
I mean I don't mind the loss of lightheartedness if done right. The part I mentioned about Singularity making the humans dance in her face is a perfect example of doing this bleak tone correctly in the Bayonetta series
One of the worst things that a game can do is make someone go, "Yknow what, I really don't care." That happened personally when on the chapter with the french Bayonetta, when it was just showing how the chaos gear was just, there, and then stuff happened. Somewhere between that cutscene and the next gameplay segment, it just clicked in the brain that feeling of, "Hey, why even bother watching this if you know that this Bayonetta is gonna die?" That honestly made the whole game grind to a halt, the illusion broke, and the entire thing felt hollow. That feeling never was in Bayo 1 and 2. After marathoning them both and then starting 3, it was so utterly jarring and painful... It makes the player a fool for even trying, as opposed to feeling like, yknow, BAYONETTA. What a mess...
It makes me sad to say this, but this game felt like someone who didn't like Bayonetta personally made it. Almost like they took everything that made her special and unique and strong and independent. From the first game and everything that showed her character growth in the second game and threw it to the side. Something felt so off about playing it almost like we were playing an imposter or someone trying to play dress up as Bayonetta. And it was just sad, not only watching all of the bayonetta's died but also now having to watch her daughter who didn't even seem like her daughter if you ask me. It just was incredibly off-putting, in the ending itself felt like it was a red herring. I completely expected another part to be playable after the credits and when I got Viola I put the game down because I didn't want to play it at that point. It almost felt like someone just wanted to completely spit in the face of the franchise enforce everyone to see that they were going in a new direction. It felt like they intentionally wanted to kill the old bayonetta's off and ever sense that they could. And I honestly feel like that's what they did, they killed off any hope that the players had a bayoneta and Jeanne. Force one of the most sexually fluid characters in video game history to become a mediocre damsel in distress and get with one of the most non sensible characters in the franchise. Don't get me wrong both of them could have ended up as a couple but there was no buildup over the past two games of this and if anything it just feels odd. In the way they killed both her and our favorite characters off with no remorse or any type of build up is just a lazy way of killing them off. It just feels like someone had a complete grudge against the series and just demolished everything it stood for it within one final game. For all that I wish they would just sold it or had someone else come in who liked it and finish the last game. This ain't it ☹️
@@jilp2002 there's no tears, it's their franchise. It's their community that they hurt and honestly that can go either way for them in the future. So it will be either them laughing or crying later on
You captured everything i felt towards this game. Nothing felt genuine. It was as if someone took Bayonetta and twisted it to satisfy their own fantasies instead of staying faithful to what the original two games stood for.
There are a lot of good points in this video, but I think the one I agree with the most is how the Demon Masquerade mechanic de-emphasizes Bayonetta herself in battle. For me, I really liked how in the second game, using the magic meter was for Umbran Climax, which made bayonetta’s personal attacks stronger, with occasional aid from her demonic summons. But in the third game, especially with the constantly filling magic meter, I felt like when comboing enemies, I was just buying time to summon a demon who was stronger than bayonetta to complete the battle. Don’t get me wrong, I do think that the demons in three are really cool and I like the weapons and their designs, but I felt that the demonic masquerade gameplay pulled too much focus away from Bayonetta and her own personal strength.
@@solracstormhunter3023 nah, demon masquerade. Demon Slave still keeps her in front of the camera, dancing like we love to see. And using her full power more in gameplay which I love
Bayo 1 and 2 made her feel like a powerful person with a powerful Stand. Bayo 3 made her feel like V from DMC5 but he somehow can wield 4 guns and what are essentially Devil Arms.
I personally like the summons, but I am not dumb enough to say 'you are wrong for not liking it' it does feel more like this should be a spinoff than a mainline game, yeah. Feels more like bayonetta combined with astral chain
Those are some great points! But I have to disagree with you about the outfits. Her outfit in 3 does not hold a candle, imo, to the outfits from 1 and 2, which both had a high fashion aesthetic fit for a larger than life character. Both accentuated her exaggerated, gorgeous and feminine physique and had that sexualised factor that was meant to be empowering but not objectifying or tasteless, each in its own way, the first one with a more witchy allure and the second one with a more high class elegance. Her outfit in this one fails at delivering all that and instead opts for a more cutesy style that is needlessly heavy with ornaments, especially with the braid bow and the tutu that make her look, imo, like a frail ballerina.
Bayonetta 1: bayo dodges bullets, and jeanne notice that, and control the bullet in the air using her mind, and redirect bullet to bayo, and she still dodge it again Bayonetta 3: japanesenetta getting killed by that worm homunculy, because he came out from ground, and she didn't notice .... holy, hellish, chaotic F#ck
Thoughts I had about the game multiverse, etc. 1. The prologue did not give us any context regarding what Singularity is or what is happening to the world. The first game introduced the two European clans: the Lumen Sages and the Umbra Witches, overseers of history. The prologue [in Bayonetta 2] told us about Asier and the Eyes of the World. The third game gave random information about Viola's father. Viola should still be the narrator but have her talk about the Humuculi instead. 2. The game did not address the consequences of Bayonetta 2's ending. With the eyes of the world gone, how is humanity affected? Perhaps the lack of eyes caused Singularity to become self-aware. I am unsure whether the game directly addresses Singularity's origin. 3. In the 1st game, we are shown and told that the Lumen Stages and Umbra Witches settled in Europe. Perhaps in the other timelines, they settled in different locations (Toyko, Ancient China, Egypt, France, etc.). That would explain the differences between realms. 3. The witch hunts seem like a fixed event; they will happen no matter what. Since there is a Bayonetta in every world, that means Balder and Rosa will always conceive a child, which eventually triggers clan wars and witch hunts. 4. The angels were oddly quiet during the events of the game. Perhaps they are up to something? 5. I doubt we'll see the end of Bayonetta. She was sent down to Inferno with Luka, who has his fae powers. Additionally, I believe Madama Butterfly is guarding Bayonetta's soul. So in Bayonetta 4, Viola will have to rescue Bayonetta, Luka, and Jeanne (her soul is probably there given the fate of all Umbra Witches), similar to Bayonetta 2.
Here are my thoughts. 1. Singularity really does seem like a stand-in for natural disasters. Man-caused, similar to climate change (for reasons I mentioned in my bayo 3 betrayed video), eventually bringing an inevitable extinction event. Humans were able to cause this catastrophe by no longer having the eyes of the world preside over them. 2. My guess is he is never explained further or in this context cuz they didn't want rando americancs sending them death threats over a "woke agenda" (a.k.a something real that does need attention lmfao) 3. Witch hunts might be set you're right cuz even the timeline Rosa was alive the Umbran Clock Tower was knocked down during the witch hunts still 4. Possibly. The absence of Rodin, angels, and demons intervening here was so weird. Same with dark eve and adam. Why go after the person who could help you take revenge on singularity? 5. Yes or maybe even Bayonetta 1 and 2 trying to save her from hell. I've been thinking about that possible scenario a lot lately
Bayonetta is the game you play to feel good about destroying monsters large than life using a high fashion battle wear while dancing to banger songs with killer weapons attached on your shoes. I really don't know why they tried to push all this apocalyptic everybody dying thing.....
No joke, Bayonetta is the only game I would buy 4 Nerf Guns and tape two of them to my ankles and pose like her and take pictures with them 'cause of how much I loved both games. 3 is not canon to me.
completely agree on Viola's faerie form. Same with Dark Eve and Dark Adam, who only sabotage their own variants instead of going after Singularity!!?? Even if they are ghosts or dark energy, they are still the derivatives of the strong and witty characters we love. How can they be so mindless/useless. I sorta get they followed the style of Japanese vengeful ghosts like Juon but these indiscriminate murderous ghosts imo are the lowest tier in intelligence and sass. Ghost Girl in Shutter should instead be the role model; She haunts but never actively harms the innocents and has a solid revenge plan.
well they clouded by fear and hatred and become evil spirit destroy everything on their path written in their bio dev just too lazy to show us in game, just pretended they can be like OG Cereza broke down when she saw body of her mother
@@oratank I don't see getting killed by Singularity warrants hatred against the whole world. Unless there's a hidden lore of humans plotting together to use AI to kill the first Alphaverse Bayo and the AI later betrayed them all. Even then, the Dark Eve now is a conglomeration of all Bayos, so their focus should have been steered more at Singularity instead of mindless rampage.
I remember when the game wasn’t released yet I was so excited BECAUSE of how exciting she is, I was so excited to have another upbeat silly game to play. But with how melancholy this story is it feels really weird playing it
I was not because I immediately recognized Cereza so I knew OG Bayo wouldn't be there and that it would be very different from the other games, and then there was Viola... It smelled so fishy from the start.
@@shizukagozen777 that’s kinda why I was super excited because I saw that she didn’t seem as sexual so I was excited to see the different ways she would still be a fun insane character but they just made the story 10x more depressing then it needed to be
@@shizukagozen777 I agree with you. Also, it's odd they toned that aspect of her down when she totally would get risqué withh the whole "barely legal/18+ version of young character" thing she had going with her 3 design. Though I am glad 2 never had that infantilism costume 'cause that would've been too much.
They could've done so much with the multiverse. Like an universe where Cerezita is actually Bayonetta's daughter and she is the one who fell in love with a Lumen Sage
the ending is so weird, it ends like you picked the wrong choices and got the "bad end." like the first two games we gotta this bitter sweet wrap up with Bayo, like her jumping out of the coffin, or her talking to Loki as he varnish's. Where as the one in this game, Bayo and Luka die, Viola is crying, annd that's it. It's feels SO off.
Literally thought I got a bad ending when I finished. To the point where to this day I still think in the back of my mind if I just do this important verse PERFECTLY, the cutscene might change to save them
also just, viola is just, so lack luster and to insinuate she deserves to take over the mantle of bayonetta is frankly an insult to not just the fans but to bayonetta herself, I like the family dynamic that they were going for with her but making her basically the real main character by the end of it is just so fucking insulting to bayo
Couldn’t agree more. I’m sorry but viola is just so far away from Bayonetta’ core qualities. I just think she’s kinda misplaced and looks odd in the game at times. To be very honest the game just feels like one BIG *calamity* at times 🤡💀…. Especially when you look at the difference in quality in Bayo 2, I don’t know what the hell they were thinking when developing this game, but I just can’t at times…
@@london_m3136 absolutely, like bayonettas core 3 values has always been femininity, sex appeal and motherhood, three core values that she absolutely owned with absolute confidence, values which viola couldn't be further from, in a franchise that always showed femininity as empowerment it sucks they decided to replace it with a tomboy who is apparently stronger than bayonetta even though bayonetta was literally able to kill TWO different gods but ooo viola is part fairy something we literally never heard of until now so she's super strong, she's just too generic to ever replace bayo
@@pocketproductions7206 I'ma just say it. Viola feels like Kamiya looked at Nero from Dmc 5 and said "hey, I wanna do that too!" without doing any research on what made Nero work
im a whole year late to this discussion but man im glad im not the only one who thinks viola is a huge downgrade. from what i can tell they tried to make her punk but nothing flows well. her bright ass lipstick eyeshadow and highlights look fucking terrible and her outfit is generic and boring. bayonetta's designs (with the exception of this game imo) work so well and every last detail is important to the whole silhouette but viola looks like they gave the responsibility of character design to a 14 year old who just started learning how to draw
Yo imagine when gomorrah try to kill bayo because she loses all her energy and madama butterfly slap him out of nowhere to protect bayo... That would've been more epic
I love your version of the story, and it sounds close to what I initially expected given the game's official description talking about a "a veritable coven of Bayonettas". Honestly, I've seen so many different rewrites suggested by the fans that sounded much better than how things played out, I'm baffled PG went with what we actually got.
I was extremely disappointed! I was so excited about the plot and the 3 moons. This should’ve been a game where they added the plots from 1 and 2 with 3 dealing with singularity. I feel I love with 1 and 2s story was an amazing sequel. They tried to garner enough attention to keep the series alive. But they killed her too soon. So disappointed with platinum games!
At the beginning, I did think singularity was the consequence of the disappearance of the eyes of the world and I really wanted it because it was a good follow up from past games... But oh well...
I enjoyed the game but I won’t lie, there were things about it that made me feel mixed. She’s supposed to fight angels but they’re a foot note in this. The main villain was just a dude who made homunculus. I like the idea of using alchemy and demonic/angelic magic to take man and turn them into monsters, I just wish they did more with it. This is reverse Dante’s Inferno with waifus, not Full Metal friggin Alchemist. Plus, is it just me, or did they tone down the sex appeal on this one. The first, you can tie up busty angels. The second begins with bayonneta bouncing on a horse angel with the cam zoomed right on her cake. Here…I’m getting milf energy and that’s fine but I want dommy energy not, PTA mom energy. But then you get to something like Baal singing and it shows me the magic is still there just, layered under a lot of…strange.
@@JohtoJonnyYT lol I think it was the faces and all the, “my daughter Viola” stuff. Like, I get it. This is supposed to be lil Cereza from the first game grown up after learning from her older self but…where’s the 😏😚🥵 energy ya know. Plus I think their faces(especially Jean’s) really did it for me. Look how they massacred my dommies 😫
@@JohtoJonnyYT i feel like her overall design and the less mature personality that she exudes makes her few 'sexier' moments really uncomfortable to watch. her taunt is a good example of her feeling much younger in personality. but it's weird because she actually would have more experience as an umbra witch since she never had her 500 year nap?
You know, i remember the guy behind Bayonetta did say once he wanted to explore a Male Bayonetta, he had a chance to have a male Bayonetta in this game lol
@@confused9026 A Lumen Sage playstyle would have been interesting. Not sure how it would work though. Maybe more focus on parries and counters instead of acrobatics? I dunno. I do know that Platinum does tend do a good job at differentiating fighting styles. Raiden plays nothing like Sam and Blade Wolf is like neither of them.
I'm still conflicted over Bayonetta 3...I like it, but that ending...her decisions etc. I feel like the ending is not really as sad as it seems, but just not communicated clearly enough. There is also a clear turning point in the story - the bit where Jeane introduces Singularity to Bayonetta before the ending - it's so obvious that Singularity is a bad guy (his mannerisms) I'm actually stunned they both fall for it. It is against character for them. This is a great video, you hit on many points. It's unnerving to see this character so easily defeated considering her capabilities. The first Bayonetta has a bit at the end where it could have been "R Type Final" depressing - she thinks jeane is dead after she defeats a literal GODDESS, and almost lets an asteroid hit her - then Jeane shows up, and it's happy again. That's an awesome ending. I dunno, I'm tired and can't think of much else. It's fun to play, but the plot does my head in.
What bothers me is that a story like the one in Bayonetta 3 would work in a whole different game, it's just that this isn't the franchise for it. For me, the themes of this game parallel the themes of TLOU (Part 1, Part 2 tells its own different story). In Bayonetta, we could probably get away with most of what Bayonetta 3 does but at the climax Bayonetta would straighten her glasses, get serious and save the day. Not just give her all and get a hopefully maybe possibly draw between her and Sigurd. The idea that the world is going to hell, yet people still give it their all to survive and how every person has to make that choice fits for a game where the outlook of life is bleak. We have all the other Bayonetta's fighting like hell to their last breath to save their worlds, it leads to the idea of Young Cereza making the ultimate sacrifice for a "maybe". A chance of a better future for everyone else within Viola. That by itself is fine, if it was a standalone story where this is our first time meeting Bayonetta. A woman fighting with all she has and realizing that sometimes calamity is so strong that all we can do is entrust the next generation with the chance of a better tomorrow... but Bayonetta as a franchise has always been against that. Both Bayonetta 1 and 2 follow the themes of "forces greater than you ain't shit, you are what you make of yourself. Humanity will thrive whichever obstacle is thrown against it because that is its nature" when fighting both Jubileus and Aesir. In a series where we've been shown that Bayonetta's real super power isn't just her abilities (as in Bayonetta 1 we saw how Jeanne also had said abilities but wasn't able to defeat Bayonetta) it's the fact that even when she's fallen right into Balder's trap, she believes Luka may be dead, and everything is against her, she can still beat the shit out of the enemy, load her gun with a fucking lipstick and say "Don't fuck with a witch!" while being fucking badass when doing so.
Bringing the astrail chain director to direct a bayonetta game was a mistake, I genuinely hope he retired from the franchise. Bayo 3 feels more like an astral chain sequel than a Bayonetta title, the tone, the story and everything feels like the complete opposite of what bayonetta is supposed to be. I bet Yusuke Hashimoto left during bayo 3's development because he couldn't stand what they were doing with the character and the world he cared so much about. Cerezita being the main character, travel the multiverse and see different possibiltiies for her and her loved ones and ending up meeting with the original bayonetta and both teaming up to defeat the main antagonist sounded like the most fun and interesting concept imaginable, the way they delivered the story was the complete opposite of that, it's like they tried their best to ruin the idea they had... and I mean... come one, not a single universe where balder won the custory and tought cereza lumen magic? No character interaction between other bayonetta, no nothing... Lame
Yusuke Miyata was not the director of Astral Chain. Takahisa Taura directed Astral Chain, and he was the Gameplay Designer for Nier Automata. Miyata worked as additional team in Wonderful 101 and Astral Chain, and was heavily involved in the cancelled Scalebound game. I do think the fact that Bayonetta 3 is so different, is because there is a lot of new people in charge of the game, and so little of the ones that worked in Bayo 1 and 2. Hashimoto left Platinum to go back to Capcom and is now working on Street Fighter 6. I don't think he left Platinum because of Bayonetta 3 since he was a founding member of the whole company, plus he's been tweeting and retweeting stuff about Bayo 3 happily. I don't know where this idea that Hashimoto was directing 3 came since in the Platinum's blogs it was stated that Miyata was in charge from the beginning.
The true bane of Bayonetta: The Plot. Because that was Singularity’s power in a nutshell: “Nu uh! That didn’t happen!” Joking aside, Thank you for wording out all of the grievances I had with Bayo 3. My idea for Masquerade for fights would be like an Umbran Climax where you had a resource that would grow and change depending on which demon you used the most before using it. Doing this incentivises the player to experiment with the Demon Slave mechanic. As for traversal, maybe just partial manifestations would have been nice. Like having Alura create vines to ride on but Bayo is still in bayo form. This would act like a teaser for how Alraune would be as a masquerade.
To your point about the environment and lighting not working with Cereza, the Bayonetta modder CreativeHandle just a few days ago showed off a port of Bayo3's model into Bayo2 and my GOD does it make ALL the difference in the world! She absolutely POPS and the more confident and saucy animations and expressions breathe so much more life into Cereza.
As a queer non-binary afab, playing Bayo 1+2 makes me feel confident in myself as Bayonetta's existence is stigmatised in her world yet she's not ashamed of it. Playing Bayo 3 did not give me that feeling, the ending just felt like the first 2 games were just a "silly youngin' phase" bayo had, now she's a mother she's a model figure? She was a tutor figure to literally herself, Loki and Viola before she found out she was her daughter so Bayo being a mother doesn't make sense, she didn't want that lifestyle and would never go out with Luka. Idk man Bayo 3 confuses me ALOT.
I cannot understand why they would pair Bayo with the biggest bozo in the franchise. He is a literal clown and his only purpose is exposition. People keep saying they flirted and had sexual tension. Bayo is hot and flirted with everyone, she even had tension with the angels
I don't understand where you LGBTQ individuals keep getting this weird notion that Bayonetta didn't want to be a mother/dosen't have motherly traits, when the forst two games specifically highlight that beyond her aggressive and outgoing personality, that she is soft, sweet, and cares for the youth, even though she may not act like it. In the first game, while she is caring for little Cereza, she is obviously highlighted to be a great caregiver, and a person who would risk her life for a child. She cared for Cereza even though she acted like it was a hassel. Watch the movie as well. This expands on that fact. In Bayonetta 2, the way she watched over Loki like she was her own child was literally a main plot point, and it drove the story further. Tutor figures don't risk their lives for you, Bayonetta showed love to Loki and it was obvious from the first game that she and Lukas relationship would grow to something bigger. I think Bayonetta 3 did it in the absolute worst way writing wise, but saying it wasnt obvious just makes you look a little slow imo.
So it wasn't just me and my poor eyesight, she really was difficult to see in Bayonetta 3... This is a really good video!! I think it sheds light on a lot of the issues surrounding the newest installment, and it helps to put into words the reasons why Bayonetta 3 felt so askew from the rest of the franchise. P.G., take notes!
I hope so bad they somehow see this video so feel free to share it around! And nope not just your bad eyesight! Though mine is supremely bad too hahaha
I had never realized that until you mentioned it and then I was like "Ohh yeahhhhhh..." 😅😅 It's not a detail that you'd likely think twice about, but it makes all the difference!
Can't remember if you mentioned this but let's not forget that viola showed up with NO plan ! She BEGGING bayo not to use the portals when they show up to Thule ! Like what was the reason??!??!
You hit the nail on the head with this one Whenever I try to explain it loyal Bayonetta fans come at me with same old argument " Bayonetta is not supposed to make sense " " that's just how Bayonetta is " Within Bayo's Universe some things won't make sense, but 3 took that to a whole nother level. I just wasn't satisfied by the end of it at all... It didn't seem real
What's ironic is the people I seen say "Bayonetta never made sense" are people who never engaged in the community, never payed attention to the lore, and most often than not, only jumped in the hype train of Bayo 3
For me, early speculation and theories ruined my experience with B3. I remember seeing the first teaser, getting hyped/scared/excited for that… Then the first trailer came out and heavily juxtaposed the teaser, with bright, cinematic, and colorful gameplay. I thought and hoped it was Brave Cereza and this image of a bright beautiful woman being faced with the darkest story yet stimulated me as a bayo veteran. Seeing the plot and development of this series has left a really bad taste in my mouth and while I’m grateful Bayonetta is popular and alive, I’m not proud of this latest game…
I’m starting to feel like I’m the only person who genuinely enjoyed Bayonetta 3. After playing all three back to back, I feel like the flow into it was pretty clean. I actually liked viola because of Cheshire lol. The weakest part of the game was sadly Jeanne’s levels. Those ones felt like they should’ve been Viola’s leves and Jeanne should’ve had a different play style from Bayonetta and be the other playable witch.
Agreed. Cheshire is awesome and imho the demon created by bayonetta and lukas downfall making the whole story a loop made to preserve Viola who is probably fulfilling the role of arc adam and eve singularly.
Your not but a lot of people on RUclips who didn’t like it complain a lot about it so much so that you think it was a bad game it not bayonetta 3 won action game of the year but you wouldn’t know that if you are on RUclips.
You're not. It's simply a trend (you know, social media). People will appreciate this great game when they cool down. Besides, all mentioned in this kind of videos are pure opinion. Only Platinum knows if Cereza is truly death, if we will play as the OG Bayo, if Viola may have guns to mimic the playstyle of Cereza or whatever. Bayonetta 4 won't be ignored at this point, that's for sure.
Viola essentially plays the same role as Nero in Devil May Cry 4. DMC4 generally has weak writing but when it comes to character is a masterpiece. Nero while also meant to act as a replacement for the main character (Dante) doesn’t really replace Dante. They both go through CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT throughout the game. Nero unlocks some of the power of his Sparda blood, grows closer to Kyrie, and exits with new found wisdom and a fellow Devil Hunter friend who sorta replaces the role Credo for Nero, as a master type figure. Dante discovers a new son of Sparda (Nero) which is huge for Dante as he exits his silent edgy DMC2 phase and becomes fun & cheesy. The last time Dante saw someone like him was on Mallet Island, his brother Vergil a husk of his former self, twisted & corrupted by demon king Mundus into the demon known as Nelo Angelo. Nero and Dante (and Vergil) are all expanded upon in DMC5, if Nero were to lead the Devil May Cry series I wouldn’t be all upset and pissed (as long as it’s executed correctly) because Nero is a likable and well defined character. Viola on the other hand just gets handed on a silver platter the role of Bayonetta. They can’t coexist, nope, there can only be one.
My thoughts exactly, because Viola, as far as I'm concerned, is definitely unworthy of the Bayonetta name, and for this reason, I don't care what anyone says, I'm not going to give her a chance for shit! Compared to the incompetent Viola, Nero is more mature, competent, and disciplined due to his resolve to save Kyrie from the machinations of Sanctus in Devil May Cry 4, and to stop Dante and Vergil from killing each other, which he succeeded after awakening his true power in Devil May Cry 5.
Honestly I been a Bayonetta fan boy since Bayonetta 1, I have always loved the story and gameplay of Bayonetta. I remember when Bayonetta 3 was first announced I was holding my breathe for it to come out for so long when I first saw it’s first teaser. I replayed Bayonetta 1 and 2 probably about 15 times before Bayonetta 3 and I loved the story most of all in Bayonetta. When Bayonetta 3 came out I was immediately confused honestly the main problems is just how it just doesn’t respect it’s core values. 1. Yea Bayonetta 3 brings in a child Bayonetta has to take care of through out the game in the form of Viola, okay, cool. Thing is viola is so damn annoying and honestly serves no purpose in the game I believe. Baby Cereza served to help Bayonetta remember, Luka served to help Bayonetta get to Jeanne, Viola…..helped her get killed??? Honestly viola could’ve been deleted and the game would’ve been the same except everyone is a lot less annoyed. 2. New enemies just because? These new enemies shouldn’t have been added. It makes no sense, Bayonetta 1 we went against angels because they served the Balder, okay. Bayonetta 2, now demons and angels because the imbalance of inferno and paradiso, okay cool. Bayonetta 3 Homunculi, an enemy we never seen before, know nothing about, came out of no where, WHY? Bayonetta to me was always about fighting heaven and hell and what not, so why bring a new enemy that was not even built up to out of no where? Just makes zero sense 3. Multiverses? Why? This was NEVER built up to? Like with something like multiverses you either gotta start off with it or build up to it which Bayonetta did neither of, just brought in a new enemy that was stronger than literal angels and demons and brought in mutilverses because why the hell not I guess? It’s such a out of the blue choice they did. It’s the third game why the hell they just randomly decide NOW is when they should bring Homunculi and multiverses to the mix like the hell? 4. JEANNE, my god do I feel bad for Jeanne, talk about a character that always gets the short end of the stick. Bayonetta 1 she played a major role, okay cool though she was under mind control we still loved her at the end. Bayonetta 2, she’s basically deleted from the entire game and shows up at the end like what the hell, and then in bayonetta 3 SHE DIES. It’s like they couldn’t find anything Better to do with her so they went with the “okay Ive had enough LETS JUST KILL HER” and make us do this sneaky side quests with her instead of expanding on the character. She was really a gold mine of possibilities they just ignored. 5. Luka, why out of all characters you give the character that has been human for two straight games, powers just because? It honestly felt like they did what they did to Jeanne but to Luka and said “idk what to do with this character let’s just give him powers.” Like what they did with Finn at the end of starwars. Luka being the goofy human that has a thing for Bayonetta was always funny and just charming about the character but then giving him powers out the blue was such a let down and just something that’s so different from the character it just leaves people scratching their heads. 6. The looks of the game is awful, compared to Bayonetta 2. Bayonetta 3 just looks awful, Bayonetta 2 was just so vibrant, fun, easy to look at while Bayonetta 3 seems like gloomy, dead, and overall unfun. It’s like they’re trying to stick a fun character around a gray atmosphere, it just looks off and swallows the character making her hard to looks at, keep a track on, and just cause the game to be unfun especially with this bad story. 7.the ending, Jesus Christ talk about a worse ending. It’s just horrible, she uses gamorrah who she has lost control on before and WOW just like in bayonetta 2, SHE LOST CONTROL OF IT?!?! Who would’ve guessed right???? Wowowowow and then it kills her. Like when did Bayonetta get so dumb? Oh and having it be Luka that can cause a blow to singularity but not the thousands of Bayonetta and not bayonetta 1&2? Bayonetta has killed gods before right? Oh yea she did but something made from humans she can’t all of a sudden, wow okay game. She gets dragged to hell too because her witch heart broke too like what? This is supposedly THE most powerful witch but she can’t control her own powers even though we went through two games of her controlling and learning her powers perfectly? 8. Viola, again. Why her taking over? This character served no better purpose than Bayonetta actually a worse purpose, why replace the main character with a character that’s just the complete opposite of Bayonetta? It makes no sense and I’m scared to see what she’ll make in a Bayonetta 4 because the character to me is just cringey as all hell. Honestly if I were to sum up Bayonetta it would be the TikTok sound, “LOOK AT HOW WE PROBABLY WERENT SUPPOSE TO DO THAT? But we did :)” that was my rant on how bad the story is from someone who use to have a deep love for the series.
You hit the nail on the head with the whole “positive tone” thing. I’ve been searching for the right words to describe why Bayo 3 feels so off, and it’s because we have a sense of impending doom from the beginning, none of the positive, confident stuff
The ending left a sour taste in my mouth to the point where I got two other bayonetta games and started to imagine there is an alternate universe where cereza is still alive and beyenetta one and two games came after the third game.
The Multiverse did honestly feel kinda like a massive missed opportunity really with all the things they could do, what ifs involving things like moments from the past games going differently or maybe a world where her father raised and trained her instead. And what we got were just Bayonettas themed after some locations. It felt more like Bayonetta on a cosplay binge than seeing new alternative versions of her. It's sad (and funny) to say that Hideki Kamiya's other game child Devil May Cry was able to come up with a more interesting concept for an alternative timeline in a Light Novel than Bayonetta 3 was for a game which is focused on the multiverse for crying out loud! And fun fact fellow fans: we have those dmc light novels to thank for Enzo in Bayonetta. No I'm not kidding, he first appears in those.
As much as I loved the game, I admit I am disappointed with the lack of creativity and missed opportunities. I mean, it was an interesting idea of another universe where it was China or Egypt across the entire globe. they took over, and so now the whole Earth is like this, but it feels like we could have done even more. - What if Cereza was raised by her father instead of her mother and became a Lumen Sage, and attacked our Cereza when she entered that universe because it became her duty to wipe out the Umbran? - Jeanne is secretly a superhero when no one is looking. What if we entered a universe where superheroes were more common and they attack our Cereza because the Cereza of this universe is a major anti-villain. - If Luka is a Lumen Sage in one universe, does that mean the Cereza of this world is a human who chases Luka to prove his existence? a reverse of the roles. - What if the war between the Lumens and Umbran never happened and Cereza, Rosa and Baldur are all together? - What if Rosa had a son instead of a daughter and he came the first male Umbran? he was born with his father's white hair, but his mother's demonic powers. he dawns a red jacket and a large sword in his adult life. he known to be a chill dude. he loves pizza and starts a business of wiping out monsters. the Jeanne of this universe is also male, wearing a blue jacket and wielding a samurai sword. It just feels like alot more could have been done. but that's just my opinion.
It should’ve had GOOD and BAD endings. Similar to BotW where if you win/lose to the boss of each universe, that Bayonetta will/won’t appear during the final boss. Only in this case if you don’t have X number of Bayonetta’s, you get the bad ending, and vice versa for the good one. The main issue would be finding a reason the saved Bayonetta’s aren’t in cutscenes. You’d need some reason why they aren’t with you. Perhaps they get sent to save other universes and they’re the reason a handful of those apparitions appear during that fight. Something like that.
I couldn’t bring myself to get past the 3 bayo encounter. I was unable to place my finger on it but I just kept feeling annoyed after every major battle, and you perfectly summarized why.
EVERYTHING YOU JUST SAID! I couldnt have said it better myself. I also hate not being able to mix and match weapons like you could in 1 + 2, it makes me unmotivated to try new weapons
While I enjoyed my time with this game on a surface level, I just don’t understand what the hell happened. There’s so much dissonance. Bayo 1 and 2 work as a beautiful complement to one another. I was hoping 3 would do the same, but instead it wanted to do everything it could and it felt so unfocused. In a perfect world, I wish this game was of the caliber that DMC5 was, especially since games of this genre are so few and far between. There’s so much missing in this game that at times it feels like it’s held together with duct tape and bubblegum.
The only issue with this multiverse plot I have is based on the name, Bayonetta. If we're supposed to believe that this is Brave Cereza then where did the name Bayonetta come from? B1's plot was that Jeanne sealed Cereza and when she woke up, she remembers the kid nickname Bayonetta and assumes that's her name. This would be confirmed in B2. However, Brave Cereza never went into the coma, yet Luka and Enzo both call Brave Cereza as Bayonetta. How do they know this nickname? I mean Jeanne never calls her that and she would be the only one (other than Bayo) who knows of this nickname. It would kinda be weird for Brave Cereza to just go and tell these two about that name, right?
I think Platinum Games Pulled an avenger's Infinity Wars/Endgame Move Because the Chaos Gears are the The Infinity Stones and all the Bayo deaths are like what happens In avenger's Endgame. But the worlds just got restored
Yeah, you’re right. I don’t like how Demon Slave is the main focus. Without them, the game feel like it takes too long. We do know how much strong Umbra Witches are considering they have to defeat the demons they want to form a pact with.
You went in!!! I love you video break downs! You have a unique nack for explaining the general experience that we all feel so eloquently and accurately! Please don’t stop and they need to make a dlc that fixes the game ending
I very much agree with every single point that you have made. I find it incredibly amazing that even when they mess up so many aspects of the game, they still deliver a very fun and challenging experience. The game on its own is lots of fun. Honestly, I’ll probably by all the 9 bayonetta games lol
I know this was a while ago but it just feels like the story is: Bayonetta dies, Bayonetta dies, Bayonetta rips out her heart, Bayonetta dies, Bayonetta rips out her heart, Bayonetta dies, Bayonetta rips out her heart, Bayonetta dies, Bayonetta rips out her heart, Bayonetta dies, Bayonetta rips out her heart, Bayonetta dies, Bayonetta rips out her heart, Jeanne dies, Bayonetta dies.
This reminds of a DBZ joke. Goku can blow up an entire universe and beat Gods, but if you "surprise him", he dies like a regular human. I guess Bayonetta is no different.
I just feel like Bayonetta becoming a mother just goes against everything about her, don’t get me wrong she’s very motherly but she would never settle down to have a child
Problems i have with bayo 3: 1: She is literally watching herself die, the egyptian level can be excused since was uncouncious but the rest, there is no reason why in bayo 1 and 2 they are reacting faster then the speed of sound but in bayo 3 she just sits there and watches herslf get killed. 2: Inconsistency, this basically my beef with her divine sin summon in the egyptian level, how the heck was she able to keep concious ontop of queen butterfly in the ancient china zone but blacks out in the desert level, that ticked me off so bad. 3: The way they just nerfed jeanne should be a crime. It says shes on the same level as bayonetta but thats a clearly a lie if she got blind sighted by a freaking crazy scientist, if you want to debunk this look in bayo 1, her and bayo literally threw lighting fast punches but yet they kept getting caught off gaurd its so stupid. 4: I literally hated that ending, if your gonna kill the protagonist could you atleast end on a NOT so crappy death scene? If i could i would erase the whole bayo x luka kiss scene and make it to where jeanne survived to fight singularity so they can BOTH go out with a bang like they shoudl have, it felt jeanne just got pushed to the side. 5: Just a small detail but why does the game feel so cencored?? Literally bayonetta in this 3rd game is the ONLY ONE WHO LOSES HER CLOTHS WHEN SHE SUMMONS DEMONS, even when you have bayo 1 and bayo 2 costumes ther hair doesnt come off it feels so cencored and it sucks really cause again in the last 2 games they didnt have this problem. 6: The whole bayo x luka thing i hated the most. And the fact that they have a child really bothers me, i love luka as a seperate character but him and bayo just....no an viola i dislike too mostly cause she has no hint that shes bayos child. Shes literally a copy and paste of luka and its really sad cause we could have gotten so much better In summary i really liked the concept of multi verse but it was just executed very poorly in my opinions
I just wish we can back to our OG Bayonetta (since its heavily implied we're playing Brave Cereza in 3) in 4 and just never acknowledge 3's story ever again.
at the start of bayonetta 4 it should flash through all the key moments in 3, and then OUR bayonetta wakes up for a nightmare and we go back to fighting angels like the good old days
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS VIDEO !!!! i couldn't put the words on why i felt so down the entirity of my playthrough. That nihilistic tone for the entire game is so not bayo, plus so many missed potential, as someone who kinda grew up with bayo the therm betrayed is really on point. i was so chocked at the end, i didn't moved for the entirity of this amazing ending music/dancing clip, where in previous games i would bop around and dances, i just stood there like i was paralyzed and could only say "that's it ...?!" my boyfriend even made fun of me by making happy and funny movement around because even though he never played a single bayo game he watched my entire playthrough and was pretty dissapointted from the strong female character i set him up for... god that ending was so awful it suppresses all my critical thinking and i just went griefing mode with no constructive thoughts about the game for entire month's until now Thank you sooo much again, love your vids king , take care ♥!!
Jeanne's death, Luka/Bayonetta's romance, the mutliverse...it all comes out of nowhere. I feel like the past 2 games had untapped potential, but this one was hopeless.
I agree with 99% of what you said! I did like her demon transformations in combat though. I agree it's a bit of a shame to lose the flair of her losing her clothes, but I think the demon transformations were cooler. If only Platinum Games would hire someone so passionate about the Bayonetta series as yourself to be a consultant or something! 😂
One thing about this game I haven't heard mentioned yet - it's kind of small, but these small things add up - is how they completely fucked up the currency exchange in this game. Those blue orbs you collect are so abundant, just scattered randomly everywhere, so there's basically no feeling of reward when you get them from enemies, as there was in 1 and 2. You barely even have a reason to go to Gates of Hell to spend them in the first place. Lollipop ingredients are EVERYWHERE. I remember actually grinding to get ingredients in the first game so I could save my halos for new moves. It was slightly annoying, but it added to my engagement. And then moves aren't even available at GoH anymore, replaced by the branching moveset screen which, while a cool concept, honestly felt way too overwhelming for me. So, basically, you're left not even wanting to collect the 'prizes' you're awarded from defeating enemies, unless you just want to collect useless junk. It just adds onto the "what's the point of even playing" feeling you talked about.
I think a good way to fix Bayonetta 3's flawed narrative is to have the next game reveal that someone tampered with the passage of fate, whether it be the doing of Singularity, Loptr, or an entirely new villain.
This is coming late though, but My fix for this game are: -Well singularity is dead, keep him dead!! -Bring back Bayonetta, I don't mind Viola being the main playable character but make her more like her mother an umbra witch, than a street punk, sometimes mother or aunt Jeanne(yes Jeanne has to come back somehow) will have to step in, as Viola is still under-experienced compared to those two. -The way all arch-Adams were merged into one, merge all Arch-Eve into one also so we go back to having one Bayonetta and none of that "Bayonetta in the multiverse of madness" thing anymore. -bring back the angels and demons vibes, keep the fairies though, since they can actually contribute to the story going forward. -lastly I hope they don't forget that Bayonetta still has a dormant lumen sage blood in her, she could be the key to reviving lumen sages.
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Even if it does, perhaps this should not have been bayonetta 3 with this plot, but bayonetta 4 instead. Have bayonetta 3 give a spectacular senfoff to the convoluted intertwined timelines of bayo 1 and 2, and its theme of balance.
For the abstract combat opener we delve one last time into the themes of this trilogy, balance, free will, and the price of fighting for it.
Bayo 3 opens on a halloween cityscape, that quickly escalates through the prologue into the apocalypse. Demons invade purgatorio, and your demonic summons will not head your call. We make it to the Gates of Hell cafe, and get the explainer: with us finishing off the god of unified creation, and the god of chaos, now there is no one left to guard the barrier between the realms. Only a lumen sage, and a powerful one at that, could put this right. Loki, knowing as usual where to be and when, offers a suggestion. Bayo is a child of the lumen sages. She can probably learn their arts, if he sends her back in time. Act 1 through 3 see bayonetta trying to find a lumen mentor. Earning the right to speak to the head of the lumen sages but ultimately gets rejected. She is about to give up on this plan and start looking for another way when a lumen sage catches up to her. He has gone rogue from the order for this but agrees that if things in her time are that dire he will not let the world end if he can help it. This is an even younger Baldur. We take him to a hidden training grounds and begin to spar, when we are caught there by an umbran witch, bringinging the story of the past to completion with bayonetta accidentally causing her parents to meet.
At this point we hit the first major plottwist, as we're yanked back into present day with only very basic training. Why? Well, the Gates of Hell cafe is under attack, breaking Loki's focus. Act 4 sees bayonetta trying to escape the place with Enzo who is somehow always there, and loki, while our favorite bartender unleashes his full might to stop the big nasty from persuing us. The plot from there would then see us return to Isla del sol to learn more from what was left behind by the last lumen, as well as other special locations both new and returning as bayonetta slowly learns the to her unnatural ways of the lumen sages to take the fight to the Father of Lies, which is what i would call the big bad of hell title wise. For summons in this game she learns hoe to bring out her father's angelic companions.
Bayo: stabbed in the chest, perfectly fine
Jeanne: stabbed in the chest, dies
viola (witch in training): stabbed in the chest, perfectly fine
Bayonetta even _rips out her heart… several times._
Worse than that: _Cereza got stabbed by a hand that is SO BIG, she should actually almost be cut in half_ : perfectly fine.
They just wanted to kill jeanne cuz they were queer baiting and they didn't want to follow through...
THAT. Is the only explanation (that I'll accept) in WHY, THE FXCK? Could that happen.
@@iheartdonuts662honestly I see it
"why did the game take control away from me, only to make my character lose to an enemy I had no trouble handling?" THIS. THISSSSS
If there's anything I want viewers to take away from this video it's that entire segment
Hate it when it happens, I prefer to have an unbeatable boss fight like Shadow Rise from Persona 4.
I guess metal gear rising did a similar thing when Jetstream Sam kicks your butt but only after you have the hype moment of flipping the metal gear ray
This was prevalent in Bayo 2 too in some bosses for the plot as well which lead to a blue-balled kinda frustration. I understand due to balder being in his prime who is definitely formidable but the other bosses was overdone a bit.
@@tavoiradio7667 I agree on Loptr but I think the plot made Bayo and Balder feel very equal, the one time we see her in a semi-losing situation was when she felt bad for him after finding out that he was trying to avenge Rosa
The multiverse is a concept of infinite possibilities, but in Bayonetta:
1) Every Bayonetta is a woman
2) Every Bayonetta is an Umbran Witch
3) No Bayonetta is a Lumen Sage
Which implies that Baldur never being able to raise his daughter is a fixed point. Which is just.....so sad for no good reason
Tbh it should also mean that there are multiple bayonettas and jeannes who could beat singularity but obviously they out little thought into it
Yeah I wanted to see a sexy male Bayonetta 🤣
@@kali3833 100%
I thought it would have been cool to see an alternative universe where bayonetta was raised by Balder and worked along side him similar to the France chapters
Apparently Kamiya says male Bayo exists somewhere in the multiverse. Would have been interesting to see him 🤔
Yeah, I think that the main thing that defines the Bayonetta series is that Bayonetta IS the thing, she is the queen, the diva, main point, lowkey the only entity that matters in her universe. Something that she says to singularity that to me kinda defines her is "clearly you havent been payin attention, the truth is what I make it" its like she knows she is the main protagonist, that she is supposed to win!
Yeah I mean the way I interpreted it is that she restored all the worlds including her own (and Jeanne) but she herself died in the end. It's fine, but the contrived circumstances leading to the other worlds being wiped out in the first place were ridiculous
@@JohtoJonnyYT how was it ridiculous just because you personally don’t like idea of multiverse?
@@sandersGG no, I actually don't mind a multiverse... but it felt like they didn't take advantage of the game taking place in a multiverse. Interactions were almost completely nonexistent lol. And the variants died almost immediately every time by contrived circumstances
@@sandersGG If you read the comment at all, you would understand that's not what he said. But i guess it takes having Bayonetta's IQ at the end of the game to deliberately misunderstand the point.
@@FEKana what do you mean the first comment literally said the other multiverse getting destroyed was contrived and ridiculous without giving an explanation so why is it so wrong for me to basically ask for clarification like you clearly haven’t fully read that comment yourself You low iq clown
"Bayonetta loses all her IQ and summons Gomorrah instead of Madama Butterfly"
I couldn't stop laughing
💀
Never thought about it but if she summoned Madam Butterfly...she probably wouldn't have died. Madam Butterfly has been shown to work very well with her
@@mysteriousdestiny6672 any demon other than gamma ray would have worked even Baal at that point with her incredible voice but yeah madama butterfly is shown to be the most loyal demon she has and is also her main oacted demon so I have no clue why she would ever summon gammorah considering that he tried to kill her at the beginning of the game too
I almost never used him in-game cause he’s so slow and can get staggered mid-attack. Virtually any other demon could’ve hit that Homunculi like 5 times in the time it took for him to charge up.
Yea Gomorrah while is my objective favorite summon is very much not loyal. Madama or any of the talking demons would have been a better choice over Gomorrah
Gommora already showed that it was never against making Bayo its own snack since 2. Heck it seemed to be intent to do so this game when the Homunculi showed it wouldn't be the divine snack it wanted. Why was this guy still on the payroll?
Also, no Madama Butterfly meant a missed chance at yet another 'Punch final boss into thing that will kill them' moment that was in Bayo 1 and 2.
She just forgot to take her Yass pills in this one
She took them for the thumbnail at least
Madama Butterfly and Baal stole them to gain their Sin Ritual form.
@@JohtoJonnyYT JOHNY, NOO 😭
LMOA
Bayo collecting all her variants for the final fight and wrapping it up with “you fucked with the wrong witch” would’ve been perfect. But we got what we got
Ughhhh that WOULD have been perfect
When I got to the multiple different variants of Bayonetta. I went yes we're gonna turn this around somehow. I'm super upset with the ending. Especially with Jeanna popping up then disappearing again 😭
Like she did with the first game when she said don't fuck with a witch omfg
There was also a "punch/kick a god into space" moment missing in the final boss. We could've had the Bayo Trio summon Hecate, a Six-armed, three moon eyed Madama Buttferly that punches Singularity so hard it's like the six page Muda but 1000× more painful before getting uppercutted into the sun or getting eaten by Jeanne's Gomorrah, with Jeanne fully resurrected this time.
@@KaiKrimson56 THIS!!! I would’ve loved to see a Hecate summon with the 3 Bayo🥲
Pinkonetta: dies to worm that was slower than the one viola dodged in chapter 7
Chinesonetta: dies to slow ass hand coming from a mile away
Emo jeanne: dies because she’s somehow extremely dumb
White bayonetta: self sacrifice even though she could have just demon masqueraded and carried our bayo to safety
Frenchonetta: dies to slow ass bug even though she dodged literall bullets.
Cereza the dumb: dies because she summons a demon that tried to kill her MULTIPLE TIMES
What the fuck bruh
Oh and i forgot about jeanne dying to a lightsaber even though our bayo literally got impaled and just healed it up like it’s no big deal
@@DTB3RG4D987 Pinkonetta's (love that name) death was so infuriating because back in 1, og Bayo could literally pry herself outside of Fortitudo's jaws like nothing. So there's no way in hell anyone can convince me the jaws of that green tapeworm was that much stronger that a version of Bayonetta was unable to escape
I COULD'nT LAUGH ANYMORE PLEASE STOP XD
@@DTB3RG4D987 Don't forget that she barely used any other summons through out the game heck even in 2 she used her bird, frog, lion, multi hands, spider, horse, serpent, madama, & Shiba just to name a few but in 3 she mainly used Gomorrah & madama butterfly you don't get to use the frog till later in the game not to mention the weapons are kinda meh & down right weird like the clock tower & the express it doesn't really give that wow factor like the ice skates, bazookas, gun chucks, etc tbh I see why this game should've been boycotted lol
@@tronix2214 yeah there are lots of things that were toned down in this one :( it also makes me mad about how our bayo could’ve summoned other demons to save the other bayo’s but instead she just shot at them with her guns. Also dont like how they replaced bracelet of time with clock tower. Should’ve stuck with madama keprii or somethin
I agree with you on the fact that Bayonetta should have summoned Madama Butterfly instead of Gomorrah. Even if her Umbran Watch broke, Madama Butterfly would not have straight up killed her because they are best friends, but Gomorrah? She and Gomorrah had beef the moment Bayonetta tried to feed her a man made bioweapon instead of an Angel during the first fight with the Homunculi. She had to literally control him against his will in order to force him to fight for her, and when she lost control by having her Umbran Watch broken, Gomorrah was absolutely going to kill her with no hesitation.
No literally and Madama Butterfly willingly joined in the battle against the Hommunculi. Bayonetta says something along the lines of “you want to join the fight” and you unlock Madama Butterfly. There was absolutely no reason for her to use Gomorrah there considering that Madama Butterfly is stronger and would not have betrayed her 🥲
Also there's still beef with Gomorrah from Bayo 2
@@EconaelGaming no literally. If I was Bayonetta I wouldn’t have trusted Gomorrah in any important situation ever again. He tried to kill her once and she shouldn’t have let him get another chance
@@EconaelGamingSeriously, the whole reason the story of Bayonetta 2 all started in the first place was from the simple fact he mollywhopped Jeanne so hard she died and we LITERALLY had to go through Hell and back to save her. Controlling Gomorrah is like trying to domesticate a wild lion.
I mean, one of the first things that happens in Bayo fucking 2 was a fight with Gomorrah
How could she be so dumb in this game
The most ironic thing about Jeanne’s “first” death is that right before she gets stabbed, Bayonetta gets GUTTED by Strider and just brushes it off with hair regeneration. Multiple times throughout the many singularity fights, in one instance the Bayonettas are kicking ass just to all be wiped out with some kind of power wave from Singularity Balance. When one of the BIGGEST things about Umbra witches is their dexterity and swiftness, it makes no sense to be this inconsistent. This game has such great footing, then rips it away with little dialogue and lack of effort in writing a multiverse scenario.
Very well worded. In a game that's all about dodging as a game mechanic you'd think that would show in gameplay
@@JohtoJonnyYT singularity is the strongest entity in the series and we seen bayo and Jeanne get blind sided by inferno demons
The way Sigurd stabbed and killed Jeanne was clearly more than just mere decapitation. It was the same effect on Jeanne as the other Bayos being killed by Singularity
Yeah it sucks Jeanne had to die but its clearly not just a regular stab wound from the dude literally erasing the multiverse and with experience killing Umbra Witches and many other versions of Jeanne
@@sandersGG there’s literally nothing that shows his power properly like what are his beams made of, why can he avoid witchtime and how does he control fate? None of it is explained and is just a bunch of bs
@@kali3833 what show it’s power is it fighting on par and beating the bayonettas
I could not agree with that aspect of femininity more; the fact that there is such a powerful female character out there who is not ashamed of her identity, and her sexuality is so empowering the fact that they’re even considering taking that away, is so depressing
That's the main reason that the franchise has a large LGBTQ fanbase despite straight men being the target audience.
Because Bayonetta is so unapologetically herself
That's accurate. These games are enjoyable despite the vagina flying towards my face, not because of it. But it is kinda funny sometimes.
In a era where they demand ugly women, Bayo was a breath of fresh air and they took her away, with Helena now persona non grata we may never see her again outside of spinoffs and Smash
@@shadowednight1600”in an era that demands ugly women” bro you sound like 15
Do you guys believe that if Babylon’s Fall wasn’t a victim of Platinum Game’s desire for Independence and Japan’s passive bigotry towards Trans and Queer people, then the development, story and characters in Bayonetta 3 wouldn’t have been so tasteless
I'm so glad someone else is saying this. You mean to tell me that Jeanne, who instantly shot at Viola because of her suspicions about her, could not see that Sigurd (the guy who looks also very similar in design to the Homunculi) may have something to do with all of this? Like not at one point did she stop and think while infiltrating the building, "Hm, these enemies seem to just exist in here. They don't seem to be actively looking for this Sigurd, there's something wrong here."
And upon seeing Sigurd from this world she shoulda just shot him in his bald ass head.
Viola should've known that Singularity would've impacted Brave Cereza's world in some way, so why outwardly trust Sigurd in this Universe?
Literally right at the beginning you see the Sigurd in Viola's universe was the one human alive helping her. There was no reason for her NOT to think Sigurd would be evil since she didn't know he was Singularity, and she trusted the one from her world.
RIGHT?! literally the SECOND i saw Sigurd i was like, "THAT'S THE BAD GUY! HE'S THE EXACT SAME COLORS!"
@@moonpresence9707 I think we as the audience have the benefit of knowing things before they may happen, but as for Viola I'd argue why would she assume Sigurd, let alone anyone, is trustable in other universes knowing Singularity gets to other universes before she can? Knowing he has the power to possess and control people and change reality? How in those other universes she's possibly been to, she didn't take that into account before sending Jeanne and Bayonetta out to trust a guy she knows personally in one universe, but doesn't even know personally in *this* universe?
I get your point as I've thought of that, too, but it still doesn't feel right that Viola didn't consider that at all.
@@jbocks We all saw it coming a mile away, aside from the main 3.
If Sigurd was a snake, he would've bit them already.
oh wait
Not to mention Jeanne has lived for over 500 years, youd think she learned a thing or two about suspicious people in her half a millenia of life...
I want to add that I feel like this game suffers from a trend that I see most overpowered characters suffer as their stories continue: They downplay the protagonist in order to try to show how powerful the enemies are, but all it does it make the character seem weaker and making it a poor continuation of a character that should've had no problem with what was shown
Exactly idk if you seen or heard of jujitsu kaisen but this is what they are literally doing to gojo currently having him trapped in a box when he’s literally obliterated curses like come on..
This is part of what fucked up the No More Heroes series too, RIP Bayo & Travis's series 🕯️
You’ve condensed what so many of us have been feeling so well.
My biggest disappointment was that they did barely anything with the Brave Cereza plotline.
I understand that it’s important to set realistic expectations. But I really did expect to see Cereza travel to our Bayo’s universe to save her, in a nostalgic play on the events from the first game. Especially in conjunction with the lyrics of Al Fine, which I thought were about Cereza’s connection to OG Bayo, not… Luka x Bayo.
The end result instead feels like a clumsy attempt at fan service, rather than an epic, full-circle reunion.
They could have made her death scene work so well with this concept, too! Imagine ‘We are as One’ playing as Cereza comes to OG Bayo’s aid during the final boss, smiling as she sacrifices herself to save everyone in the multiverse. After all, didn’t she say that ‘witches protect people, and are very strong!’ in the first game?
I thought the same thing with Al Fine! And agreed that was the way I wanted it and it should have played out! I was so excited for NOTHING lol
This was my hope! I'd even thought that Whispers of Destiny was about Mummy Bayo and Brave Cereza reuniting once again. (Though the 'Chesire' should have been a dead giveaway..) Her death could probably have worked better here, as she is finally able to show that she is brave by sacrificing her life to protect her mummy. OG Bayo's appearance in this game felt like cheap fanservice since she dipped before the battle ended and didn't even get to say goodbye to Cereza before she had to go to Inferno.
@@JohtoJonnyYT I think that the Al Fine (Whispers of Destiny) song is about Cheshire (Luka) and Bayonetta (Cereza). I was listening to the song and started to recognize that at the end of the Singularity fight and everything else, Luka and Cereza shared their final moment together and got taken to Inferno. So, that's my thoughts on the whole thing.😕
There was a scrapped concept for not Vigrid, but Fimbulventr. I think them retiring Vigrid for this game was a good choice. It did show up in Bayo 2 after all. So Fimbulventr's return would be nice.
In the masked lumen/Baldur fight in Bayonetta 2, chapter 7 (The Ark) Bayonetta can literally dodge bullets travelling at their normal speed. Baldur activates light speed (lumen sage version of witch time) and places the bullets behind Bayonetta. Time was literally frozen and she still had the superhuman reflexes to dodge bullets. I can't suspend my disbelief to think that the bayo variants dying were anything but contrived and cheap.
It did show up in bayo 1 as well, during the long cutscene prior to the lumen sage boss fight.
Let’s be real for a second tho Bayonetta 2 is the strongest 😂
The ending didn't feel sad to me. It felt confusing and frustrating.
Yup same
same, i was kind of annoyed that my efforts were kind of for nothing, especially since we don't concretely know if the variants were revived, or if b3's jeanne was either
I just felt disappointment and satisfaction I didn't pay $60 or waste my time playing a garbage story.
@@KaiKrimson56 i did. I went in completely blind to EVERYTHING. A month after it was released i was hyped to finally be able to play it after replaying the first one. And immediately after getting to the credits, i didn't even wait.. i unistalled.
Same thing with me too, I like the final battle, I'm just so confused on its ending. Makes me worried about the possibilities of a Bayonetta 4.
I'm just confused why have Rodin intervene in the beginning chapter just to be absent during the final battle. Bayonetta is facing the biggest threat in the series and we didn't have the immortal one by our side to fight with
imagine that having bayo luka rodin and viola all fighting together this was a all hands on deck kinda thing
I swear every poorly written game does this and it’s so frustrating and a character is super powerful and just flat out doesn’t help their ally for literally no reason lmao
@@kujo4388 this game could have been the entry where he gets his angel powers back
Supposedly i read somewhere that he “cant intervene w problems of the chaos realm” because his power could like “destroy it” or something, but it literally doesnt make any sense cus the realms r just layers topped together… not separate universes… so if singularity destroyed the (multi) universes universe then they would all die lmfao. He could’ve also just not have used ALL of his power, just enough to beat him 💀
@@bayenate apparently there were 2 levels after France that they cancelled, one would have been for Rodin and one for Jeanne. Probably would have explained what he was off doing while the events of the game took place.
Finally someone said what I've been saying all along. They killed their personalities to give a dumb plot. That's why I hate what they did with her here.
That's what I was saying on Reddit! Bayonetta is an elegant, sexy, and strong person, even when Jeanne was dying in hell she took the time to enjoy herself on the way and throw her best quotes.
Yep. She did it in 3 as well but she still lost every time even when we won... like, I don't like that
@@jilp2002 oh? Apparently I do matter if you're here watching my video
@@jilp2002 Rent free, huh? You’ll get better soon
COMPLETELY AGREE!!! The game's story really is the epitome of "why did I bother?"
I especially got that feeling in the last of the Egyptian chapters. The game has really big levels, and lots of hidden collectible, so it always took me a lot of time to finish each chapter on my first playthrough. And after having seen the first 2 variants die, then the Jeanne variant die as well, I thought "ok, well maybe Jeanne was the Arch-Eve and this Bayo variant will survive", but then obviously no. I spent 1hr on a chapter just to see our Bayonettea fail again!
And there are so many other example, the worst I can think of are Viola's fight with Strider in Egypt where she gets defeated in cutscenes twice (even after activating her Faerie powers!!!) and the final battle against Singularity where Bayo needs to be constantly saved just to die in the end.
Also, the game really disappointed with the variants. The first two games really made me expect an interaction like "hi, I'm the Cereza you saved, I didn't get locked up by Jeanne, we fought angels together and ended up rebuilding the Umbra clan, this girl Viola is one of our apprentices", instead we got "I'm you from a universe stuck in medieval times for some reason, no time to explain because I'm going to die soon, teehee"
Also, the game really introduced the concept of the multiverse, but didn't actually have the balls to outright say that this version of Bayonetta is Brave Cereza! Sure, there are hints, but when the game tries to gaslight us into thinking the second game was an alternate timeline instead of a sequel, can you blame me for not believing this to be Brave Cereza?
Yeahhh i agree with your comment, because there are comments about "bayo 2 is another timeline" etc etc. But the bayo 2 story is about the ending of the first (also there are some cutscenes about it)
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This game feels like it wasnt even attempted to be made either Glitches are everywhere writing is lazy and plotholes galore and the multiverse thing is just a huge mess.
Don't forget about the fight with Strider in Paris, France where instead of defending herself in her Fae Form, Viola decided to talk Strider Luka down and got the receiving end of his claws.😑 I mean, where's the characters' brain cells in this game?🤦♀️
@@ashleyyoung796 the game is just a joke, the only good thing is the combat, the rest is trash.
I was playing bayo 1, and the diferences are a lot, the cutscenes are better, and the graphics, they dont look like 480p bayo 3 gameplay
@@Adri564style Yeah, I agree that the first Bayonetta game looks good unlike the burning trash heap of a third game. I wish that I could've bought the first and second game (if I had some really good money to buy them) for my Switch instead of the third one though.😕
You know, i think the most tragic thing about blowing their load with Multiverse so soon, is that the story actually had the *perfect* excuse to segue into it set up by the second game (the effects of which i don't believe they ever brought up again). With Loki erasing the Eyes of the World which preside over time - 'The world will be destroyed, or it will find a new path. Human free will shall determine which way it goes.'
The setup for that reverberation of events to lead into a world in revolution trying to turn over a new order was practically on a silver platter. so that if they must, with 'time is no longer being watched over', could say that the barriers of parallel timelines are not being clearly defined anymore.
and you know what gold mine that would've been ripe for? Worldbuilding. Show us the cultures of the Lumen Sages and Umbra Witches before the fall (or as if they never fell), their cities and legends, duties and rituals, struggles and conflicts in their roles as overseers of Paradiso and Inferno. There's no way the freaking bible and Christianity 'only' had enough content for two games barely dipping one into the other of the otherworlds.
Yup agreed...
I replayed the trilogy recently and it's just so jarring how out of place 3 is in tone and execution. Even though Bayonetta 3 took 5ish years to come out I feel like it's developed was rushed. Kamiya mentioned how he pitched 3 after Scalebound was cancelled. Moral must have been pretty low due to the cancellation since many platinum veterans left the company-many of which worked on Bayo 1 and 2. I also remember reading a few articles mentioning how they wanted Bayonetta 3 to be open world-which never came to fruition due to hardware limitations causing the team to backtrack and readjust their development plans. I'm assuming this maybe lead to a "shadow delay". Not to mention we also know that unlike 1 and 2 being developed in stages in chronological order of the games' story sequences, 3 was developed in parts out of order-I'm not very educated in game development so I do not know if this would drastically affect their opportunity to change anything in regards to story or environment. Overall, I feel like they were rushed to push a successful product due to their recent cancellation and other failures which lead to it's story and characters being an afterthought. Bayonetta's stories have never been praised as masterpieces but they've always been props to demonstrate Cereza as a strong and confident woman which 3 lacks drastically.
Yeah all their work since then has been really depressing. Nier Automata, Astral Chain, Babylons Fall, etc... though for those games it worked. Bayonetta franchise doesn't fit sad and depressing
@@JohtoJonnyYT nier is yoko taro's baby, im not sure it fits here along with platinum's own games lol
sure they probably deserve credit for gameplay and mechanics, but considering we're talking story I'm not sure they do in this case
@@seija8588 yes I'm aware. But what I'm saying is since they worked on it, they took notes from it but they took the wrong notes. They missed the footnote that character deaths are only impactful if they have a point
So many of the points you make I agree with all my being. Bayonetta is my favorite game and just favorite fictional character in general. It's so rare to find a female protagonist who is powerful without sacrificing their femininity. What made the games great is the control the player feels when playing Bayonetta. The developers even said when after defeating angels she blows a kiss to destroy barrier that's important to show that she could have done that the entire time- she was always in control. Enemies literally run away from her because SHE'S the boss fight. While in the third game Bayonetta was never in control, in most cutscenes she's struggling or not,,, owning the situation at all. Not only she had no control, her personality was so terribly watered down in the third game. Like you said it was almost as if Bayonetta was an after thought in her own goddamn game. I also think the entirety of the multiverse plot was very...... dumb. Never once are we even given valid facts in the game stating singularity's motives or who he even is like he's just here.... destroying stuff... also he gives viola and bayo the fake task to go out and seek all of the chaos gears so he can betray them later and claim them for himself but..... throughout the game it was us.... taking them from his goons.... or an alt bayo..... that he easily killed....... so what was the point..... he already had them..... what was the fucking point 😭
But yeah Bayonetta three and the games to come betray Bayonetta as a franchise, I could really list more gripes I have but I don't think there's enough time in the universe for me to display my immense disappointment and resentment towards this title. Literally never felt so cheated from a freaking video game or work of fiction in general.
Oh believe me there's plenty more gripes from me as well, but I think these were my largest ones. It's such a shame really that they betrayed her and the franchise so heavily
@@jilp2002 that's... a very strong emotion. Sorry you feel that way
Completely agreed. Bayo 1 and 2 always had ways to divert a bad situation and swing it into Bayonetta's favour with style. This can either be a serious scenario like Bayo saving Jeanne's soul just in time and acting like she didn't almost cry, or a goofy situation like Luka "saving" Bayo from a fall only to have Bayo reject his help since Bayo wouldn't even struggle falling from high heights.
The games never took themselves too seriously, but still had serious moments to show that it can pull off a good story. Bayo 3 forgot that rule and took itself way too seriously, trying to pull off emotional moments at every relevant corner.
Yes for real, I think the 3rd game lost that camp element that the first 2 games had too
Yesss, my heart broken to pieces, what's in the dev mind?
I really appreciate you being so open with how the ending made you feel. The ending was devastating for me. Watching them piss on her grave by giving her name away made me want to puke.
Especially when you put it that way. Makes me so angry
Bayonetta is a title, not her name
@@moonpresence9707 Since when? Bayonetta was the name she took after she woke up from the 500 year sleep because she didn't remember her given name.
@@nameandaddresswithheld1890 Since the first game when we find out her real name is Cereza?
@@moonpresence9707 you clearly don't understand what a mantal is. not every nickname or alias is a rank, a job or a title.
I agree that the Bayo-variants should've been able to join the team, similar to Viewtiful Joe (I think). There could've been a challenge where Brave Cereza at least was able to save them, rather than just waiting for them to die and get her new weapon. If they were failed to be rescued in the challenge, the moon and singularity fight would've been harder, resulting in the game taking a turn for the worse, akin to a pacifist, neutral, and genocide run(like in Undertale), each with its own ending and reward to the player. The game's ending where Bayo is defeated could've been the genocide ending, with the failure of saving the other Variants. A full savior(pacifist) run would've been hard to achieve but led to the best ending: Bayo, Luka, and Jeanne are safe, Viola is able to actually earn the title of Bayonetta(if the story will still go on that plot point), and dark eve's fight actually not feeling like something hastily added in.
Heck, they could've had Viola interact with her multiversal moms to learn from them, even if Viola wasn't revealed to be her daughter. Even the clocktower fight in France, where Rosa dies, it could've given Bayo an idea of how to save her French-Bayo counterpart, rather than just exploding her with songs. Or when in Egypt, one of the Bayo's could've just activated witch time and safely bring her back. There could've been so much that happened in the 3rd game, where it should've given a sense of accomplishment and nostalgia than just disappointment and letdowns.
That would have been 100 times more enjoyable
LONDON ?! _LONDON ?!_ IT'S PARIS ! THEY SAY IT THEMSELF IN THE GAME ! YOU LITERALLY BEGIN IN THE CHAMPS-ELYSEE IN FRONT OF THE ARC OF TRIUMPH ! THERE'S FRENCH WRITTEN EVERYWHERE ! ACCORDION MUSIC ! THE ARSENE LUPIN REFERENCES ! THE SOLDIERS SPEAK FRENCH ! EVEN BAYO, ROSA AND ENZEAU SPRINKLE THEIR LINES WITH FRENCH !
@@NIHIL_EGO Don't take too much offense to it, I only now realize that people refer to her as French-Bayo. Also, I haven't played the game yet, so I'm mostly getting the information from gameplay and the wiki. As for the landmark cues, yeah I should've remembered the Arc de Triomphe was by Napoleon, and he was from France. The correction is made, but if you know which place I was talking about, then no need for much of the fuss.
Yknow what i just realized a lot of those deaths could've been prevented by using witch time 😟
Oh, so like a good ending, bad ending, and probably an "incomplete" ending. Lots of games have that, it would've worked really well with this. *Especially* with the multiverse stuff
For me it was the underused variants. The whole point of the multiverse in fiction is to fuck around with characters and see what they would be like in different worlds. Yes we do have Bayonettas from different countries and backgrounds, yet they are really lacking in depth. It feels very much like they just thought "hey wouldn't it be cool if we had a Bayonetta from a different country??" and rolled with it. We barely get to know them! The dialogue is almost nonexistent between the variants and brave Cereza and they just die immediately after the fight's over, so why am i supposed to care about them when there's so little of them to begin with?
For me, the most interesting of them is Egyptian Bayo, because we actually get to see her little arc and see her struggles and her desire to be better, THAT makes me get attached to her, she's actually a character and not just a cool new skin. Her death actually made me sad compared to all the others, which were just plain dumb.
Imagine all the cool interactions we could have had if they were more developed and omg the dialogue on this game is ridiculous, Singularity is shit talking bayo and she's just like 😐
Overall, the multiverse plot though cool, is very disappointing because it failed to deliver what it was supposed to, introduce different versions of Bayo who were just as interesting and compelling as the main one.
Sorry for the rant, i just had a lot of feelings about it and i'm very glad i got to share my point of view on this topic, your videos are awesome and you got a new subscriber!
The fact that Tokyonetta, the first variant that we sees, only interact with Bayo _once,_ when _she dies,_ is a straight up crime.
I wish that Bayonetta actually followed Devil May Cry because at least in that game when they introduced a new protagonist (Nero) they didn't use his debut game to make him the main character at the end.
Yep. Terrible direction by PlatinumGames this time around
Yeah. If nothing else Bayo 3 should've been more along the lines of DMC4. We focus a little more on Viola (especially since she's kinda the one who sets all this in motion), she learns a few tips and trick from Bayonetta, and grows a little from the experience. Not to mention give her more than three levels where we play as her and basically have to relearn her combat style after playing as Bayonetta or some variant for the bulk of the story.
@@ThoraxetheImpaile100
What about completely erasing Viola and we forget about her instead ? 😍
At least in DMC, Nero done it Right.
compare to BAYO 3 and Viola.
This is a very small nick pick but it's been bothering me...
Why does Viola have a katana!?
Bayonetta grew up in Vigrid, which is in Europe, and has a British accet.
Luka comes off as if he was born and raised in the western hemisphere and is connected to fairies from the western variant, as there mentions of the Avalon Forest and Queen Mabe, who are from folklore from the UK, and Viola has fairies powers.
So why doesn't she have like an broad sword or like Excalibur!?
Cheshire smoke japanese pipe Rodin don't know about him maybe he is a bakeneko but Cereza named him as Cheshire so that's why he transform to katana not broad sword
to be fair, bayonetta can wield shuraba in the first two games and it's like, the first weapon she can unlock in the games. assuming that her mum is the one who trained viola how to fight, katanas are probably just what bayonetta's most comfortable using after the pistols and teaching viola to.
Viola likes anime.
I saw someone mention Nero in Devil May Cry and I can't help but have the same opinion. Capcom gave us at least some time to get to know him and grow to like him before torch passing. Viola was relatively forced into the position on the spot and she's nowhere near developed enough to take the spotlight from the queen just yet. In the future? Maybe. But we just met her and it would not work well this way. It feels like a game for her will come out now and people will go "this isn't a bayonetta game anymore" Now I love her to bits, I do. But TIME is what was needed for her. It is essential.
Also none of DMC4 or DMC5 kill off Dante
It would be like if Capcom did DMC5's story without ever doing 4's. People would have been furious if they passed the torch to Nero in the game that introduced him. ESPECIALLY if they did it by killing Dante off.
There is also the fact Nero at least look like his father and uncle, he is worthy being the protagonist of DMC. Viola is not likable, or worthy of anything.
They could make 10 Bayonetta games, Viola will never be able to hold a candle to Bayo.
@@Edo_Luna_
Well said. LMAO
I love the mention of Astral Chain.
Exactly, in Astral Chain, you're just a normal man or woman that becomes the last hope of humanity to beat an enemy that you don't even know if can't be defeated at all, the Quimeras, and the Legion feel key to the character, because they're the tool that let your character fight, without them, all his
hope it's lost.
In Bayonetta, Bayonetta should always be capable of having enough power to overcome everything she faces, not die to a perfectly telegraphed attack.
Look at Bayo 1, she can dodge bullets without even looking at them, and in Bayo 2, she can destroy bosses even without a Climax Attack, but she does them anyway because it's Bayo identity to be extra, it's not about showing her power, it's about how THAT power is her very own identity.
Remember in Bayonetta 2 when Loptr actually is capable of hurting her, after 2 completely games of cutscenes of Bayo dodging everything? THAT'S was impactful, an enemy that actually is a real danger to Bayonetta, because it's equal to her in power.
And don't get me started on the Viola thing... I really like her design, the idea behind their gameplay and her goofiness, but they did my girl dirty in the "character development" part...
This game tried so hard to sell the idea of Bayo 3 being "the bravest Cereza" even though she felt the least capable out of the 3 Bayonettas.
Bayo 1 felt like a seasoned fighter and really knew what she was doing. She still had setbacks, but made up for them while doing it Bayonetta-style.
Bayo 2 took Bayo 1 to the next level in terms of story, telling us more about the Lumen Sages and even showing what they're capable of. She reasonably struggled throughout the story, but still kept it lighthearted because that's what Bayonetta does. No matter the situation, she's still campy and makes every fight a fun spectacle for herself and for her opponents. Nothing goofier than doing a father-daughter dance ritual that summons a giant lady in order to punch a naked man's spirit into an elephant's mouth.
Bayo 3 threw out half of what made Bayonetta... Bayonetta. Her seasoned fighting skills, fast reactions times, abilities as a witch, and her confidence all felt so muted. Her campy attitude did show up a few times like doing a dance off with Baguetta, but it wasn't nearly enough. She just watched as people died most of the time and Witch Time was painfully under-utilized. It never felt like Cereza was in control of the situation.
I mean I don't mind the loss of lightheartedness if done right. The part I mentioned about Singularity making the humans dance in her face is a perfect example of doing this bleak tone correctly in the Bayonetta series
One of the worst things that a game can do is make someone go, "Yknow what, I really don't care."
That happened personally when on the chapter with the french Bayonetta, when it was just showing how the chaos gear was just, there, and then stuff happened. Somewhere between that cutscene and the next gameplay segment, it just clicked in the brain that feeling of, "Hey, why even bother watching this if you know that this Bayonetta is gonna die?"
That honestly made the whole game grind to a halt, the illusion broke, and the entire thing felt hollow. That feeling never was in Bayo 1 and 2. After marathoning them both and then starting 3, it was so utterly jarring and painful...
It makes the player a fool for even trying, as opposed to feeling like, yknow, BAYONETTA.
What a mess...
It makes me sad to say this, but this game felt like someone who didn't like Bayonetta personally made it. Almost like they took everything that made her special and unique and strong and independent. From the first game and everything that showed her character growth in the second game and threw it to the side.
Something felt so off about playing it almost like we were playing an imposter or someone trying to play dress up as Bayonetta. And it was just sad, not only watching all of the bayonetta's died but also now having to watch her daughter who didn't even seem like her daughter if you ask me. It just was incredibly off-putting, in the ending itself felt like it was a red herring. I completely expected another part to be playable after the credits and when I got Viola I put the game down because I didn't want to play it at that point.
It almost felt like someone just wanted to completely spit in the face of the franchise enforce everyone to see that they were going in a new direction. It felt like they intentionally wanted to kill the old bayonetta's off and ever sense that they could.
And I honestly feel like that's what they did, they killed off any hope that the players had a bayoneta and Jeanne. Force one of the most sexually fluid characters in video game history to become a mediocre damsel in distress and get with one of the most non sensible characters in the franchise. Don't get me wrong both of them could have ended up as a couple but there was no buildup over the past two games of this and if anything it just feels odd.
In the way they killed both her and our favorite characters off with no remorse or any type of build up is just a lazy way of killing them off. It just feels like someone had a complete grudge against the series and just demolished everything it stood for it within one final game. For all that I wish they would just sold it or had someone else come in who liked it and finish the last game. This ain't it ☹️
@@jilp2002 there's no tears, it's their franchise. It's their community that they hurt and honestly that can go either way for them in the future. So it will be either them laughing or crying later on
You captured everything i felt towards this game. Nothing felt genuine. It was as if someone took Bayonetta and twisted it to satisfy their own fantasies instead of staying faithful to what the original two games stood for.
It was Astral Chain 2 with Nerfonetta
@@JohtoJonnyYT i swear i thought i was playing Nier or Astral Chain instead of Bayonetta. Who thought Bayonetta was fit for nihilism?
THIS ! I couldn't have worded it better. Thank you, mate. 👏👏💯
There are a lot of good points in this video, but I think the one I agree with the most is how the Demon Masquerade mechanic de-emphasizes Bayonetta herself in battle. For me, I really liked how in the second game, using the magic meter was for Umbran Climax, which made bayonetta’s personal attacks stronger, with occasional aid from her demonic summons. But in the third game, especially with the constantly filling magic meter, I felt like when comboing enemies, I was just buying time to summon a demon who was stronger than bayonetta to complete the battle. Don’t get me wrong, I do think that the demons in three are really cool and I like the weapons and their designs, but I felt that the demonic masquerade gameplay pulled too much focus away from Bayonetta and her own personal strength.
Thank goodness I'm not the only one haha
I think you mean Demon *Slave* ?
@@solracstormhunter3023 nah, demon masquerade. Demon Slave still keeps her in front of the camera, dancing like we love to see. And using her full power more in gameplay which I love
Bayo 1 and 2 made her feel like a powerful person with a powerful Stand.
Bayo 3 made her feel like V from DMC5 but he somehow can wield 4 guns and what are essentially Devil Arms.
I personally like the summons, but I am not dumb enough to say 'you are wrong for not liking it' it does feel more like this should be a spinoff than a mainline game, yeah. Feels more like bayonetta combined with astral chain
Those are some great points! But I have to disagree with you about the outfits. Her outfit in 3 does not hold a candle, imo, to the outfits from 1 and 2, which both had a high fashion aesthetic fit for a larger than life character. Both accentuated her exaggerated, gorgeous and feminine physique and had that sexualised factor that was meant to be empowering but not objectifying or tasteless, each in its own way, the first one with a more witchy allure and the second one with a more high class elegance. Her outfit in this one fails at delivering all that and instead opts for a more cutesy style that is needlessly heavy with ornaments, especially with the braid bow and the tutu that make her look, imo, like a frail ballerina.
yeah the b3 outfit is horrible
Interesting. I enjoy the cuter look but yeah I also prefer the mature outfits from 1 and 2. Especially 1
@@cokdstroyr ok babes
@@sandersGG girl hush
her outfit in 3 is far too overdesigned. I mean the pop in of all the bits when she first puts on the outfit is absurd
Bayonetta 1: bayo dodges bullets, and jeanne notice that, and control the bullet in the air using her mind, and redirect bullet to bayo, and she still dodge it again
Bayonetta 3: japanesenetta getting killed by that worm homunculy, because he came out from ground, and she didn't notice .... holy, hellish, chaotic F#ck
Thoughts I had about the game multiverse, etc.
1. The prologue did not give us any context regarding what Singularity is or what is happening to the world. The first game introduced the two European clans: the Lumen Sages and the Umbra Witches, overseers of history. The prologue [in Bayonetta 2] told us about Asier and the Eyes of the World. The third game gave random information about Viola's father. Viola should still be the narrator but have her talk about the Humuculi instead.
2. The game did not address the consequences of Bayonetta 2's ending. With the eyes of the world gone, how is humanity affected? Perhaps the lack of eyes caused Singularity to become self-aware. I am unsure whether the game directly addresses Singularity's origin.
3. In the 1st game, we are shown and told that the Lumen Stages and Umbra Witches settled in Europe. Perhaps in the other timelines, they settled in different locations (Toyko, Ancient China, Egypt, France, etc.). That would explain the differences between realms.
3. The witch hunts seem like a fixed event; they will happen no matter what. Since there is a Bayonetta in every world, that means Balder and Rosa will always conceive a child, which eventually triggers clan wars and witch hunts.
4. The angels were oddly quiet during the events of the game. Perhaps they are up to something?
5. I doubt we'll see the end of Bayonetta. She was sent down to Inferno with Luka, who has his fae powers. Additionally, I believe Madama Butterfly is guarding Bayonetta's soul. So in Bayonetta 4, Viola will have to rescue Bayonetta, Luka, and Jeanne (her soul is probably there given the fate of all Umbra Witches), similar to Bayonetta 2.
Here are my thoughts.
1. Singularity really does seem like a stand-in for natural disasters. Man-caused, similar to climate change (for reasons I mentioned in my bayo 3 betrayed video), eventually bringing an inevitable extinction event. Humans were able to cause this catastrophe by no longer having the eyes of the world preside over them.
2. My guess is he is never explained further or in this context cuz they didn't want rando americancs sending them death threats over a "woke agenda" (a.k.a something real that does need attention lmfao)
3. Witch hunts might be set you're right cuz even the timeline Rosa was alive the Umbran Clock Tower was knocked down during the witch hunts still
4. Possibly. The absence of Rodin, angels, and demons intervening here was so weird. Same with dark eve and adam. Why go after the person who could help you take revenge on singularity?
5. Yes or maybe even Bayonetta 1 and 2 trying to save her from hell. I've been thinking about that possible scenario a lot lately
Bayonetta is the game you play to feel good about destroying monsters large than life using a high fashion battle wear while dancing to banger songs with killer weapons attached on your shoes. I really don't know why they tried to push all this apocalyptic everybody dying thing.....
Same. Doesn't fit and isn't a satisfying combo
No joke, Bayonetta is the only game I would buy 4 Nerf Guns and tape two of them to my ankles and pose like her and take pictures with them 'cause of how much I loved both games. 3 is not canon to me.
@@KaiKrimson56 🤣🤣🤣
It is when you wanna wash your hands of the franchise...
The worst part about Viola is that even Nero had more personality than her in dmc4
completely agree on Viola's faerie form. Same with Dark Eve and Dark Adam, who only sabotage their own variants instead of going after Singularity!!?? Even if they are ghosts or dark energy, they are still the derivatives of the strong and witty characters we love. How can they be so mindless/useless. I sorta get they followed the style of Japanese vengeful ghosts like Juon but these indiscriminate murderous ghosts imo are the lowest tier in intelligence and sass. Ghost Girl in Shutter should instead be the role model; She haunts but never actively harms the innocents and has a solid revenge plan.
RIGHT it makes ZERO sense
well they clouded by fear and hatred and become evil spirit destroy everything on their path written in their bio dev just too lazy to show us in game, just pretended they can be like OG Cereza broke down when she saw body of her mother
@@oratank I don't see getting killed by Singularity warrants hatred against the whole world. Unless there's a hidden lore of humans plotting together to use AI to kill the first Alphaverse Bayo and the AI later betrayed them all. Even then, the Dark Eve now is a conglomeration of all Bayos, so their focus should have been steered more at Singularity instead of mindless rampage.
I remember when the game wasn’t released yet I was so excited BECAUSE of how exciting she is, I was so excited to have another upbeat silly game to play. But with how melancholy this story is it feels really weird playing it
I was not because I immediately recognized Cereza so I knew OG Bayo wouldn't be there and that it would be very different from the other games, and then there was Viola... It smelled so fishy from the start.
@@shizukagozen777 that’s kinda why I was super excited because I saw that she didn’t seem as sexual so I was excited to see the different ways she would still be a fun insane character but they just made the story 10x more depressing then it needed to be
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No offense but I believe that people who don't like her sexual side don't actually like Bayonetta.
@@shizukagozen777 oh no I love her sexual side it’s just my family gets on my arsecheeks for liking her.
@@shizukagozen777 I agree with you. Also, it's odd they toned that aspect of her down when she totally would get risqué withh the whole "barely legal/18+ version of young character" thing she had going with her 3 design. Though I am glad 2 never had that infantilism costume 'cause that would've been too much.
They could've done so much with the multiverse. Like an universe where Cerezita is actually Bayonetta's daughter and she is the one who fell in love with a Lumen Sage
the ending is so weird, it ends like you picked the wrong choices and got the "bad end." like the first two games we gotta this bitter sweet wrap up with Bayo, like her jumping out of the coffin, or her talking to Loki as he varnish's. Where as the one in this game, Bayo and Luka die, Viola is crying, annd that's it. It's feels SO off.
Literally thought I got a bad ending when I finished. To the point where to this day I still think in the back of my mind if I just do this important verse PERFECTLY, the cutscene might change to save them
@@JohtoJonnyYTThe fact is Bayonetta 3 story is hot garbage. We waited years for the release only to be absolutely disappointed with the story.
They forgot to add the quick time events to save the Bayos and Jeannes, and we're now stuck with just the bad ending xd
also just, viola is just, so lack luster and to insinuate she deserves to take over the mantle of bayonetta is frankly an insult to not just the fans but to bayonetta herself, I like the family dynamic that they were going for with her but making her basically the real main character by the end of it is just so fucking insulting to bayo
Couldn’t agree more. I’m sorry but viola is just so far away from Bayonetta’ core qualities. I just think she’s kinda misplaced and looks odd in the game at times. To be very honest the game just feels like one BIG *calamity* at times 🤡💀…. Especially when you look at the difference in quality in Bayo 2, I don’t know what the hell they were thinking when developing this game, but I just can’t at times…
@@london_m3136 absolutely, like bayonettas core 3 values has always been femininity, sex appeal and motherhood, three core values that she absolutely owned with absolute confidence, values which viola couldn't be further from, in a franchise that always showed femininity as empowerment it sucks they decided to replace it with a tomboy who is apparently stronger than bayonetta even though bayonetta was literally able to kill TWO different gods but ooo viola is part fairy something we literally never heard of until now so she's super strong, she's just too generic to ever replace bayo
@@pocketproductions7206 I'ma just say it. Viola feels like Kamiya looked at Nero from Dmc 5 and said "hey, I wanna do that too!" without doing any research on what made Nero work
@@Val17282 100%, this game feels most like DMC out of the bayo trilogy and that's not a good thing, and I think it's 90% viola's presence
im a whole year late to this discussion but man im glad im not the only one who thinks viola is a huge downgrade. from what i can tell they tried to make her punk but nothing flows well. her bright ass lipstick eyeshadow and highlights look fucking terrible and her outfit is generic and boring. bayonetta's designs (with the exception of this game imo) work so well and every last detail is important to the whole silhouette but viola looks like they gave the responsibility of character design to a 14 year old who just started learning how to draw
Yo imagine when gomorrah try to kill bayo because she loses all her energy and madama butterfly slap him out of nowhere to protect bayo... That would've been more epic
I love your version of the story, and it sounds close to what I initially expected given the game's official description talking about a "a veritable coven of Bayonettas".
Honestly, I've seen so many different rewrites suggested by the fans that sounded much better than how things played out, I'm baffled PG went with what we actually got.
I was extremely disappointed! I was so excited about the plot and the 3 moons. This should’ve been a game where they added the plots from 1 and 2 with 3 dealing with singularity. I feel I love with 1 and 2s story was an amazing sequel. They tried to garner enough attention to keep the series alive. But they killed her too soon. So disappointed with platinum games!
Literally right when the series started selling decently they killed her off LMAO bad move
At the beginning, I did think singularity was the consequence of the disappearance of the eyes of the world and I really wanted it because it was a good follow up from past games...
But oh well...
I enjoyed the game but I won’t lie, there were things about it that made me feel mixed. She’s supposed to fight angels but they’re a foot note in this. The main villain was just a dude who made homunculus. I like the idea of using alchemy and demonic/angelic magic to take man and turn them into monsters, I just wish they did more with it. This is reverse Dante’s Inferno with waifus, not Full Metal friggin Alchemist. Plus, is it just me, or did they tone down the sex appeal on this one. The first, you can tie up busty angels. The second begins with bayonneta bouncing on a horse angel with the cam zoomed right on her cake. Here…I’m getting milf energy and that’s fine but I want dommy energy not, PTA mom energy. But then you get to something like Baal singing and it shows me the magic is still there just, layered under a lot of…strange.
I didn't even get milf energy from this one. It was like a teenage Cereza to me lmfaoo
@@JohtoJonnyYT omg that is what really disappointed me in this game... the kawaii cutie pie bayonetta when I needed my dominatrix back !
@@JohtoJonnyYT lol I think it was the faces and all the, “my daughter Viola” stuff. Like, I get it. This is supposed to be lil Cereza from the first game grown up after learning from her older self but…where’s the 😏😚🥵 energy ya know. Plus I think their faces(especially Jean’s) really did it for me. Look how they massacred my dommies 😫
@@JohtoJonnyYT i feel like her overall design and the less mature personality that she exudes makes her few 'sexier' moments really uncomfortable to watch. her taunt is a good example of her feeling much younger in personality. but it's weird because she actually would have more experience as an umbra witch since she never had her 500 year nap?
@@daria4222 YES I hate her taunt animations in 3. So childish.
Also, I LOVE Daria! Great taste 👌😁
The fact that they got rid of Tag Climax from Bayonetta 2 was a huge mistake. 🤦♂️🤦♀️🤦
Someone please send this to the director of the game cause this right here hits home way to hard.
You know, i remember the guy behind Bayonetta did say once he wanted to explore a Male Bayonetta, he had a chance to have a male Bayonetta in this game lol
Dilf Bayonetta would have been a pleasure tbh
@@confused9026 A Lumen Sage playstyle would have been interesting. Not sure how it would work though. Maybe more focus on parries and counters instead of acrobatics? I dunno. I do know that Platinum does tend do a good job at differentiating fighting styles. Raiden plays nothing like Sam and Blade Wolf is like neither of them.
Viola should have been the one to finish off Singularity
And have everyone live
I'm still conflicted over Bayonetta 3...I like it, but that ending...her decisions etc. I feel like the ending is not really as sad as it seems, but just not communicated clearly enough. There is also a clear turning point in the story - the bit where Jeane introduces Singularity to Bayonetta before the ending - it's so obvious that Singularity is a bad guy (his mannerisms) I'm actually stunned they both fall for it. It is against character for them. This is a great video, you hit on many points. It's unnerving to see this character so easily defeated considering her capabilities. The first Bayonetta has a bit at the end where it could have been "R Type Final" depressing - she thinks jeane is dead after she defeats a literal GODDESS, and almost lets an asteroid hit her - then Jeane shows up, and it's happy again. That's an awesome ending. I dunno, I'm tired and can't think of much else. It's fun to play, but the plot does my head in.
Oh also I really was hoping they'd add that casual outfit from the start. Unff.
What bothers me is that a story like the one in Bayonetta 3 would work in a whole different game, it's just that this isn't the franchise for it. For me, the themes of this game parallel the themes of TLOU (Part 1, Part 2 tells its own different story).
In Bayonetta, we could probably get away with most of what Bayonetta 3 does but at the climax Bayonetta would straighten her glasses, get serious and save the day. Not just give her all and get a hopefully maybe possibly draw between her and Sigurd.
The idea that the world is going to hell, yet people still give it their all to survive and how every person has to make that choice fits for a game where the outlook of life is bleak. We have all the other Bayonetta's fighting like hell to their last breath to save their worlds, it leads to the idea of Young Cereza making the ultimate sacrifice for a "maybe". A chance of a better future for everyone else within Viola.
That by itself is fine, if it was a standalone story where this is our first time meeting Bayonetta. A woman fighting with all she has and realizing that sometimes calamity is so strong that all we can do is entrust the next generation with the chance of a better tomorrow... but Bayonetta as a franchise has always been against that.
Both Bayonetta 1 and 2 follow the themes of "forces greater than you ain't shit, you are what you make of yourself. Humanity will thrive whichever obstacle is thrown against it because that is its nature" when fighting both Jubileus and Aesir. In a series where we've been shown that Bayonetta's real super power isn't just her abilities (as in Bayonetta 1 we saw how Jeanne also had said abilities but wasn't able to defeat Bayonetta) it's the fact that even when she's fallen right into Balder's trap, she believes Luka may be dead, and everything is against her, she can still beat the shit out of the enemy, load her gun with a fucking lipstick and say "Don't fuck with a witch!" while being fucking badass when doing so.
Bringing the astrail chain director to direct a bayonetta game was a mistake, I genuinely hope he retired from the franchise. Bayo 3 feels more like an astral chain sequel than a Bayonetta title, the tone, the story and everything feels like the complete opposite of what bayonetta is supposed to be.
I bet Yusuke Hashimoto left during bayo 3's development because he couldn't stand what they were doing with the character and the world he cared so much about.
Cerezita being the main character, travel the multiverse and see different possibiltiies for her and her loved ones and ending up meeting with the original bayonetta and both teaming up to defeat the main antagonist sounded like the most fun and interesting concept imaginable, the way they delivered the story was the complete opposite of that, it's like they tried their best to ruin the idea they had... and I mean... come one, not a single universe where balder won the custory and tought cereza lumen magic? No character interaction between other bayonetta, no nothing... Lame
Yusuke Miyata was not the director of Astral Chain.
Takahisa Taura directed Astral Chain, and he was the Gameplay Designer for Nier Automata.
Miyata worked as additional team in Wonderful 101 and Astral Chain, and was heavily involved in the cancelled Scalebound game.
I do think the fact that Bayonetta 3 is so different, is because there is a lot of new people in charge of the game, and so little of the ones that worked in Bayo 1 and 2.
Hashimoto left Platinum to go back to Capcom and is now working on Street Fighter 6. I don't think he left Platinum because of Bayonetta 3 since he was a founding member of the whole company, plus he's been tweeting and retweeting stuff about Bayo 3 happily. I don't know where this idea that Hashimoto was directing 3 came since in the Platinum's blogs it was stated that Miyata was in charge from the beginning.
The true bane of Bayonetta: The Plot.
Because that was Singularity’s power in a nutshell: “Nu uh! That didn’t happen!”
Joking aside, Thank you for wording out all of the grievances I had with Bayo 3.
My idea for Masquerade for fights would be like an Umbran Climax where you had a resource that would grow and change depending on which demon you used the most before using it. Doing this incentivises the player to experiment with the Demon Slave mechanic.
As for traversal, maybe just partial manifestations would have been nice. Like having Alura create vines to ride on but Bayo is still in bayo form. This would act like a teaser for how Alraune would be as a masquerade.
To your point about the environment and lighting not working with Cereza, the Bayonetta modder CreativeHandle just a few days ago showed off a port of Bayo3's model into Bayo2 and my GOD does it make ALL the difference in the world! She absolutely POPS and the more confident and saucy animations and expressions breathe so much more life into Cereza.
As a queer non-binary afab, playing Bayo 1+2 makes me feel confident in myself as Bayonetta's existence is stigmatised in her world yet she's not ashamed of it. Playing Bayo 3 did not give me that feeling, the ending just felt like the first 2 games were just a "silly youngin' phase" bayo had, now she's a mother she's a model figure? She was a tutor figure to literally herself, Loki and Viola before she found out she was her daughter so Bayo being a mother doesn't make sense, she didn't want that lifestyle and would never go out with Luka. Idk man Bayo 3 confuses me ALOT.
Then again, nobody said Bayonetta wasn’t non-monogamous, but still. Jeanne should’ve been shown in a relationship with her.
I cannot understand why they would pair Bayo with the biggest bozo in the franchise. He is a literal clown and his only purpose is exposition. People keep saying they flirted and had sexual tension. Bayo is hot and flirted with everyone, she even had tension with the angels
@@breannap8585 I blame the neck beards who desperately wanted Bayo to be hetro so they could ship themselves with her.
@@haunted2882 bayo being straight was the least of this games problems.. you sound deranged
I don't understand where you LGBTQ individuals keep getting this weird notion that Bayonetta didn't want to be a mother/dosen't have motherly traits, when the forst two games specifically highlight that beyond her aggressive and outgoing personality, that she is soft, sweet, and cares for the youth, even though she may not act like it. In the first game, while she is caring for little Cereza, she is obviously highlighted to be a great caregiver, and a person who would risk her life for a child. She cared for Cereza even though she acted like it was a hassel. Watch the movie as well. This expands on that fact. In Bayonetta 2, the way she watched over Loki like she was her own child was literally a main plot point, and it drove the story further. Tutor figures don't risk their lives for you, Bayonetta showed love to Loki and it was obvious from the first game that she and Lukas relationship would grow to something bigger. I think Bayonetta 3 did it in the absolute worst way writing wise, but saying it wasnt obvious just makes you look a little slow imo.
So it wasn't just me and my poor eyesight, she really was difficult to see in Bayonetta 3...
This is a really good video!! I think it sheds light on a lot of the issues surrounding the newest installment, and it helps to put into words the reasons why Bayonetta 3 felt so askew from the rest of the franchise. P.G., take notes!
I hope so bad they somehow see this video so feel free to share it around!
And nope not just your bad eyesight! Though mine is supremely bad too hahaha
I have bad eyesight too. I'm colorblind and I can't read the menus. Yet it's still easier for me to play Bayonetta 1 and 2.
@@Treyworld yeah the colors and aesthetic of the first two games were easier to follow cuz they were consistent
I had never realized that until you mentioned it and then I was like "Ohh yeahhhhhh..." 😅😅 It's not a detail that you'd likely think twice about, but it makes all the difference!
Can't remember if you mentioned this but let's not forget that viola showed up with NO plan ! She BEGGING bayo not to use the portals when they show up to Thule ! Like what was the reason??!??!
You hit the nail on the head with this one
Whenever I try to explain it loyal Bayonetta fans come at me with same old argument " Bayonetta is not supposed to make sense " " that's just how Bayonetta is "
Within Bayo's Universe some things won't make sense, but 3 took that to a whole nother level. I just wasn't satisfied by the end of it at all... It didn't seem real
What's ironic is the people I seen say "Bayonetta never made sense" are people who never engaged in the community, never payed attention to the lore, and most often than not, only jumped in the hype train of Bayo 3
For me, early speculation and theories ruined my experience with B3. I remember seeing the first teaser, getting hyped/scared/excited for that…
Then the first trailer came out and heavily juxtaposed the teaser, with bright, cinematic, and colorful gameplay. I thought and hoped it was Brave Cereza and this image of a bright beautiful woman being faced with the darkest story yet stimulated me as a bayo veteran.
Seeing the plot and development of this series has left a really bad taste in my mouth and while I’m grateful Bayonetta is popular and alive, I’m not proud of this latest game…
I’m starting to feel like I’m the only person who genuinely enjoyed Bayonetta 3. After playing all three back to back, I feel like the flow into it was pretty clean. I actually liked viola because of Cheshire lol. The weakest part of the game was sadly Jeanne’s levels. Those ones felt like they should’ve been Viola’s leves and Jeanne should’ve had a different play style from Bayonetta and be the other playable witch.
Agreed. Cheshire is awesome and imho the demon created by bayonetta and lukas downfall making the whole story a loop made to preserve Viola who is probably fulfilling the role of arc adam and eve singularly.
Your not but a lot of people on RUclips who didn’t like it complain a lot about it so much so that you think it was a bad game it not bayonetta 3 won action game of the year but you wouldn’t know that if you are on RUclips.
I like the game. And I'm looking forward to seeing where we go from here.
@@scary-sounds me to.
You're not. It's simply a trend (you know, social media). People will appreciate this great game when they cool down. Besides, all mentioned in this kind of videos are pure opinion. Only Platinum knows if Cereza is truly death, if we will play as the OG Bayo, if Viola may have guns to mimic the playstyle of Cereza or whatever. Bayonetta 4 won't be ignored at this point, that's for sure.
Viola essentially plays the same role as Nero in Devil May Cry 4. DMC4 generally has weak writing but when it comes to character is a masterpiece. Nero while also meant to act as a replacement for the main character (Dante) doesn’t really replace Dante. They both go through CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT throughout the game. Nero unlocks some of the power of his Sparda blood, grows closer to Kyrie, and exits with new found wisdom and a fellow Devil Hunter friend who sorta replaces the role Credo for Nero, as a master type figure. Dante discovers a new son of Sparda (Nero) which is huge for Dante as he exits his silent edgy DMC2 phase and becomes fun & cheesy. The last time Dante saw someone like him was on Mallet Island, his brother Vergil a husk of his former self, twisted & corrupted by demon king Mundus into the demon known as Nelo Angelo. Nero and Dante (and Vergil) are all expanded upon in DMC5, if Nero were to lead the Devil May Cry series I wouldn’t be all upset and pissed (as long as it’s executed correctly) because Nero is a likable and well defined character.
Viola on the other hand just gets handed on a silver platter the role of Bayonetta. They can’t coexist, nope, there can only be one.
My thoughts exactly, because Viola, as far as I'm concerned, is definitely unworthy of the Bayonetta name, and for this reason, I don't care what anyone says, I'm not going to give her a chance for shit! Compared to the incompetent Viola, Nero is more mature, competent, and disciplined due to his resolve to save Kyrie from the machinations of Sanctus in Devil May Cry 4, and to stop Dante and Vergil from killing each other, which he succeeded after awakening his true power in Devil May Cry 5.
Honestly I been a Bayonetta fan boy since Bayonetta 1, I have always loved the story and gameplay of Bayonetta. I remember when Bayonetta 3 was first announced I was holding my breathe for it to come out for so long when I first saw it’s first teaser. I replayed Bayonetta 1 and 2 probably about 15 times before Bayonetta 3 and I loved the story most of all in Bayonetta. When Bayonetta 3 came out I was immediately confused honestly the main problems is just how it just doesn’t respect it’s core values.
1. Yea Bayonetta 3 brings in a child Bayonetta has to take care of through out the game in the form of Viola, okay, cool. Thing is viola is so damn annoying and honestly serves no purpose in the game I believe. Baby Cereza served to help Bayonetta remember, Luka served to help Bayonetta get to Jeanne, Viola…..helped her get killed??? Honestly viola could’ve been deleted and the game would’ve been the same except everyone is a lot less annoyed.
2. New enemies just because?
These new enemies shouldn’t have been added. It makes no sense, Bayonetta 1 we went against angels because they served the Balder, okay. Bayonetta 2, now demons and angels because the imbalance of inferno and paradiso, okay cool.
Bayonetta 3 Homunculi, an enemy we never seen before, know nothing about, came out of no where, WHY? Bayonetta to me was always about fighting heaven and hell and what not, so why bring a new enemy that was not even built up to out of no where? Just makes zero sense
3. Multiverses? Why? This was NEVER built up to? Like with something like multiverses you either gotta start off with it or build up to it which Bayonetta did neither of, just brought in a new enemy that was stronger than literal angels and demons and brought in mutilverses because why the hell not I guess? It’s such a out of the blue choice they did. It’s the third game why the hell they just randomly decide NOW is when they should bring Homunculi and multiverses to the mix like the hell?
4. JEANNE, my god do I feel bad for Jeanne, talk about a character that always gets the short end of the stick. Bayonetta 1 she played a major role, okay cool though she was under mind control we still loved her at the end. Bayonetta 2, she’s basically deleted from the entire game and shows up at the end like what the hell, and then in bayonetta 3 SHE DIES. It’s like they couldn’t find anything Better to do with her so they went with the “okay Ive had enough LETS JUST KILL HER” and make us do this sneaky side quests with her instead of expanding on the character. She was really a gold mine of possibilities they just ignored.
5. Luka, why out of all characters you give the character that has been human for two straight games, powers just because? It honestly felt like they did what they did to Jeanne but to Luka and said “idk what to do with this character let’s just give him powers.” Like what they did with Finn at the end of starwars. Luka being the goofy human that has a thing for Bayonetta was always funny and just charming about the character but then giving him powers out the blue was such a let down and just something that’s so different from the character it just leaves people scratching their heads.
6. The looks of the game is awful, compared to Bayonetta 2. Bayonetta 3 just looks awful, Bayonetta 2 was just so vibrant, fun, easy to look at while Bayonetta 3 seems like gloomy, dead, and overall unfun. It’s like they’re trying to stick a fun character around a gray atmosphere, it just looks off and swallows the character making her hard to looks at, keep a track on, and just cause the game to be unfun especially with this bad story.
7.the ending, Jesus Christ talk about a worse ending. It’s just horrible, she uses gamorrah who she has lost control on before and WOW just like in bayonetta 2, SHE LOST CONTROL OF IT?!?! Who would’ve guessed right???? Wowowowow and then it kills her. Like when did Bayonetta get so dumb? Oh and having it be Luka that can cause a blow to singularity but not the thousands of Bayonetta and not bayonetta 1&2? Bayonetta has killed gods before right? Oh yea she did but something made from humans she can’t all of a sudden, wow okay game. She gets dragged to hell too because her witch heart broke too like what? This is supposedly THE most powerful witch but she can’t control her own powers even though we went through two games of her controlling and learning her powers perfectly?
8. Viola, again. Why her taking over? This character served no better purpose than Bayonetta actually a worse purpose, why replace the main character with a character that’s just the complete opposite of Bayonetta? It makes no sense and I’m scared to see what she’ll make in a Bayonetta 4 because the character to me is just cringey as all hell.
Honestly if I were to sum up Bayonetta it would be the TikTok sound, “LOOK AT HOW WE PROBABLY WERENT SUPPOSE TO DO THAT? But we did :)” that was my rant on how bad the story is from someone who use to have a deep love for the series.
Gotta say this right now. WE NEED A DIRECTOR’S CUT
Pleaseee
You hit the nail on the head with the whole “positive tone” thing. I’ve been searching for the right words to describe why Bayo 3 feels so off, and it’s because we have a sense of impending doom from the beginning, none of the positive, confident stuff
The ending left a sour taste in my mouth to the point where I got two other bayonetta games and started to imagine there is an alternate universe where cereza is still alive and beyenetta one and two games came after the third game.
The Multiverse did honestly feel kinda like a massive missed opportunity really with all the things they could do, what ifs involving things like moments from the past games going differently or maybe a world where her father raised and trained her instead. And what we got were just Bayonettas themed after some locations. It felt more like Bayonetta on a cosplay binge than seeing new alternative versions of her.
It's sad (and funny) to say that Hideki Kamiya's other game child Devil May Cry was able to come up with a more interesting concept for an alternative timeline in a Light Novel than Bayonetta 3 was for a game which is focused on the multiverse for crying out loud!
And fun fact fellow fans: we have those dmc light novels to thank for Enzo in Bayonetta. No I'm not kidding, he first appears in those.
Literally.
As much as I loved the game, I admit I am disappointed with the lack of creativity and missed opportunities. I mean, it was an interesting idea of another universe where it was China or Egypt across the entire globe. they took over, and so now the whole Earth is like this, but it feels like we could have done even more.
- What if Cereza was raised by her father instead of her mother and became a Lumen Sage, and attacked our Cereza when she entered that universe because it became her duty to wipe out the Umbran?
- Jeanne is secretly a superhero when no one is looking. What if we entered a universe where superheroes were more common and they attack our Cereza because the Cereza of this universe is a major anti-villain.
- If Luka is a Lumen Sage in one universe, does that mean the Cereza of this world is a human who chases Luka to prove his existence? a reverse of the roles.
- What if the war between the Lumens and Umbran never happened and Cereza, Rosa and Baldur are all together?
- What if Rosa had a son instead of a daughter and he came the first male Umbran? he was born with his father's white hair, but his mother's demonic powers. he dawns a red jacket and a large sword in his adult life. he known to be a chill dude. he loves pizza and starts a business of wiping out monsters. the Jeanne of this universe is also male, wearing a blue jacket and wielding a samurai sword.
It just feels like alot more could have been done. but that's just my opinion.
Bayo 1 OST is the best in terms of making battles feel like a happy dance, and its fly me to the moon rendition is a nice cherry on top.
It should’ve had GOOD and BAD endings. Similar to BotW where if you win/lose to the boss of each universe, that Bayonetta will/won’t appear during the final boss. Only in this case if you don’t have X number of Bayonetta’s, you get the bad ending, and vice versa for the good one. The main issue would be finding a reason the saved Bayonetta’s aren’t in cutscenes. You’d need some reason why they aren’t with you. Perhaps they get sent to save other universes and they’re the reason a handful of those apparitions appear during that fight. Something like that.
I wonder if this is what they were gonna do when they were planning on making the game open world
I couldn’t bring myself to get past the 3 bayo encounter. I was unable to place my finger on it but I just kept feeling annoyed after every major battle, and you perfectly summarized why.
Guys, we need to push Platinum to make Jeanne playable in story mode. They listened to us about Viola, so maybe they will again.
EVERYTHING YOU JUST SAID! I couldnt have said it better myself. I also hate not being able to mix and match weapons like you could in 1 + 2, it makes me unmotivated to try new weapons
While I enjoyed my time with this game on a surface level, I just don’t understand what the hell happened. There’s so much dissonance. Bayo 1 and 2 work as a beautiful complement to one another. I was hoping 3 would do the same, but instead it wanted to do everything it could and it felt so unfocused. In a perfect world, I wish this game was of the caliber that DMC5 was, especially since games of this genre are so few and far between. There’s so much missing in this game that at times it feels like it’s held together with duct tape and bubblegum.
So sad to think about
The only issue with this multiverse plot I have is based on the name, Bayonetta. If we're supposed to believe that this is Brave Cereza then where did the name Bayonetta come from?
B1's plot was that Jeanne sealed Cereza and when she woke up, she remembers the kid nickname Bayonetta and assumes that's her name. This would be confirmed in B2. However, Brave Cereza never went into the coma, yet Luka and Enzo both call Brave Cereza as Bayonetta.
How do they know this nickname? I mean Jeanne never calls her that and she would be the only one (other than Bayo) who knows of this nickname. It would kinda be weird for Brave Cereza to just go and tell these two about that name, right?
I think Platinum Games Pulled an avenger's Infinity Wars/Endgame Move Because the Chaos Gears are the The Infinity Stones and all the Bayo deaths are like what happens In avenger's Endgame. But the worlds just got restored
They did, but it doesn't fit the tone imo cuz they had to pretend the characters were dumb here
Yeah true
the thumbnail alone literally made me click. it gave a good giggle 💀
Yeah, you’re right. I don’t like how Demon Slave is the main focus. Without them, the game feel like it takes too long. We do know how much strong Umbra Witches are considering they have to defeat the demons they want to form a pact with.
You went in!!! I love you video break downs! You have a unique nack for explaining the general experience that we all feel so eloquently and accurately! Please don’t stop and they need to make a dlc that fixes the game ending
Thank you! Don't worry I'm here to stay (:
Does this game seem more censored than the first two games?
Gommorah is so off the Christmas list. That's TWO witches he's killed now.
I very much agree with every single point that you have made. I find it incredibly amazing that even when they mess up so many aspects of the game, they still deliver a very fun and challenging experience. The game on its own is lots of fun. Honestly, I’ll probably by all the 9 bayonetta games lol
8:53 imagine if she taught them the ritual and we had a scene of all of them summuning each demon at the same time
I know this was a while ago but it just feels like the story is:
Bayonetta dies,
Bayonetta dies,
Bayonetta rips out her heart,
Bayonetta dies,
Bayonetta rips out her heart,
Bayonetta dies,
Bayonetta rips out her heart,
Bayonetta dies,
Bayonetta rips out her heart,
Bayonetta dies,
Bayonetta rips out her heart,
Bayonetta dies,
Bayonetta rips out her heart,
Jeanne dies,
Bayonetta dies.
This reminds of a DBZ joke. Goku can blow up an entire universe and beat Gods, but if you "surprise him", he dies like a regular human. I guess Bayonetta is no different.
I just feel like Bayonetta becoming a mother just goes against everything about her, don’t get me wrong she’s very motherly but she would never settle down to have a child
Your take on how the story should have been makes me wanna play your version 1000 times more then the actual game. Great video! 👏👏👏
Problems i have with bayo 3:
1: She is literally watching herself die, the egyptian level can be excused since was uncouncious but the rest, there is no reason why in bayo 1 and 2 they are reacting faster then the speed of sound but in bayo 3 she just sits there and watches herslf get killed.
2: Inconsistency, this basically my beef with her divine sin summon in the egyptian level, how the heck was she able to keep concious ontop of queen butterfly in the ancient china zone but blacks out in the desert level, that ticked me off so bad.
3: The way they just nerfed jeanne should be a crime. It says shes on the same level as bayonetta but thats a clearly a lie if she got blind sighted by a freaking crazy scientist, if you want to debunk this look in bayo 1, her and bayo literally threw lighting fast punches but yet they kept getting caught off gaurd its so stupid.
4: I literally hated that ending, if your gonna kill the protagonist could you atleast end on a NOT so crappy death scene? If i could i would erase the whole bayo x luka kiss scene and make it to where jeanne survived to fight singularity so they can BOTH go out with a bang like they shoudl have, it felt jeanne just got pushed to the side.
5: Just a small detail but why does the game feel so cencored?? Literally bayonetta in this 3rd game is the ONLY ONE WHO LOSES HER CLOTHS WHEN SHE SUMMONS DEMONS, even when you have bayo 1 and bayo 2 costumes ther hair doesnt come off it feels so cencored and it sucks really cause again in the last 2 games they didnt have this problem.
6: The whole bayo x luka thing i hated the most. And the fact that they have a child really bothers me, i love luka as a seperate character but him and bayo just....no an viola i dislike too mostly cause she has no hint that shes bayos child. Shes literally a copy and paste of luka and its really sad cause we could have gotten so much better
In summary i really liked the concept of multi verse but it was just executed very poorly in my opinions
I just wish we can back to our OG Bayonetta (since its heavily implied we're playing Brave Cereza in 3) in 4 and just never acknowledge 3's story ever again.
at the start of bayonetta 4 it should flash through all the key moments in 3, and then OUR bayonetta wakes up for a nightmare and we go back to fighting angels like the good old days
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS VIDEO !!!! i couldn't put the words on why i felt so down the entirity of my playthrough. That nihilistic tone for the entire game is so not bayo, plus so many missed potential, as someone who kinda grew up with bayo the therm betrayed is really on point.
i was so chocked at the end, i didn't moved for the entirity of this amazing ending music/dancing clip, where in previous games i would bop around and dances, i just stood there like i was paralyzed and could only say "that's it ...?!" my boyfriend even made fun of me by making happy and funny movement around because even though he never played a single bayo game he watched my entire playthrough and was pretty dissapointted from the strong female character i set him up for... god that ending was so awful it suppresses all my critical thinking and i just went griefing mode with no constructive thoughts about the game for entire month's until now
Thank you sooo much again, love your vids king , take care ♥!!
Jeanne's death, Luka/Bayonetta's romance, the mutliverse...it all comes out of nowhere. I feel like the past 2 games had untapped potential, but this one was hopeless.
I agree with 99% of what you said! I did like her demon transformations in combat though. I agree it's a bit of a shame to lose the flair of her losing her clothes, but I think the demon transformations were cooler. If only Platinum Games would hire someone so passionate about the Bayonetta series as yourself to be a consultant or something! 😂
One thing about this game I haven't heard mentioned yet - it's kind of small, but these small things add up - is how they completely fucked up the currency exchange in this game. Those blue orbs you collect are so abundant, just scattered randomly everywhere, so there's basically no feeling of reward when you get them from enemies, as there was in 1 and 2. You barely even have a reason to go to Gates of Hell to spend them in the first place. Lollipop ingredients are EVERYWHERE. I remember actually grinding to get ingredients in the first game so I could save my halos for new moves. It was slightly annoying, but it added to my engagement. And then moves aren't even available at GoH anymore, replaced by the branching moveset screen which, while a cool concept, honestly felt way too overwhelming for me. So, basically, you're left not even wanting to collect the 'prizes' you're awarded from defeating enemies, unless you just want to collect useless junk. It just adds onto the "what's the point of even playing" feeling you talked about.
There was definitely something about Bayo 3 that felt different. I just couldn’t put my finger on it.
I think a good way to fix Bayonetta 3's flawed narrative is to have the next game reveal that someone tampered with the passage of fate, whether it be the doing of Singularity, Loptr, or an entirely new villain.
This is coming late though, but My fix for this game are:
-Well singularity is dead, keep him dead!!
-Bring back Bayonetta, I don't mind Viola being the main playable character but make her more like her mother an umbra witch, than a street punk, sometimes mother or aunt Jeanne(yes Jeanne has to come back somehow) will have to step in, as Viola is still under-experienced compared to those two.
-The way all arch-Adams were merged into one, merge all Arch-Eve into one also so we go back to having one Bayonetta and none of that "Bayonetta in the multiverse of madness" thing anymore.
-bring back the angels and demons vibes, keep the fairies though, since they can actually contribute to the story going forward.
-lastly I hope they don't forget that Bayonetta still has a dormant lumen sage blood in her, she could be the key to reviving lumen sages.