M12 surge vs M12 fuel gen 2 vs gen 1| DIABLO giveaway | milwaukee tools
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the m12 surge is nice and quite in comparison and has enough power that you don't fear stripping or rounding screws
The m12 surge allowed us to work in a store during trading hours, the regular m12 we had was just way too loud for the work being done.
Technically speaking the standard drill/driver tip is called the chuck, whereas on the impact the hex shaped tip is known as a collet.
I'm going with the surge, less noise and more smooth for small screws
Hey Matt, love it when you do reviews like this! As a third year sparky apprentice I have been wanting to jump over to the m12 range but didn't know which to go for, you really cleared that up for me! Now it's just a matter of finding the money .... but thanks for all your videos they have really helped me with tool selection and ideas for work. And wouldn't mind seeing those new diablo bits in my next week either 😁
Cheers!
I have the M18 Surge, M12 Surge, and used to have the M12 Fuel impact driver. The M12 Fuel impact is considerably faster than the M12 Surge, but the M18 Surge was just as fast (maybe faster?) And quieter. I bought the M12 impact and drill combo and sold it because the M12 Surge does what I need with a lot less damage to my hearing and almost as fast as the impact. Lately, I've been reconsidering the M12 impact again just for size, but my Surge drivers get the majority of the work, especially inside.
I was thinking of getting the surge, and I still will with the quietness of it, and will use my m18 for the bigger stuff
The surge is purely for being quieter. It’s never been marketed as the same power. The specs are on they website etc as the surge is around 50nm vs 150-160nm for normal
The surge is for light work that’s is noisy with vibration eg roofing or garage door fitting. Anything with light metal gauge that is noisy
It will never be a power unit and wasn’t intended for it👍👌
Over in the U.S. we call it a collet on impacts & chucks are on drill/drivers.
Got the surge m18 as my other drill was constantly overheating, ran much cooler for the job that I had on
Can you do a video on the m12 impact wrench with an adaptor for the 1/4 inch hex I've seen a few people on sites do this and wonder if it works better.
Hi mate not to let you down but there is too much power in an impact wrench to do what a impact driver does and on the flip side there is too little power on a impact driver to do what a impact wrench does
I prefer the normal m12 as you’ve shown in the video it seems it performs a bit better. I was considering on buying the surge glad I got the normal one.
Yea surge is no good compared to the regular m12 impact dont have enough torke
I think if you’re on a job site with other tradies the reduced noise would be appreciated. I’ve also seen cabinet makers using them when they are in a cupboard with it and there is no where for the noise to go. They do have less power but.
I’ll be going the normal gen 3, 150 grams is massive is a massive difference in a tool bag. My bag is heavy enough, any weight I can save is valuable. Love to know how much the gen 1 weighed.
Hey mate, I’m an apprentice and think after this I’ll get the the gen 3 as my first bit of m12 gear, them spade bits would be awesome to go with it instead of bumming off my tradie
Fellow sparky, always been looking to get amongst these smaller Milwaukee drills, they will be super handy for working on my bikes and cars, also just perfect for all those small house jobs when I don’t want a huge mf of an impact on my hip 🤣
Why play music when you're trying to compare the sound each driver makes? And why drill concrete with an impact driver? The impact gives the impact force in a rotational direction while a hammer drill gives the impacts in the direction you're drilling.
Cheers for the feedback mate. I’m just showing what they are capable of. I showed the sound difference with the db meter. 👍
I have the normal m12 impact and I don’t really use it that often compared to my m18 impact! I hate having the second thought that if I grab the m12 whether it would have the power to drive certain screws into certain materials etc. However, the gen 3 impact looks like a beast so maybe that could be a good comparison in the future Matt! Great vid!
New sub here. I appreciate the comparison. I hope you and yours are well 🙂✌️❤️
I have to M12 surge. Super uncommon for me to be drilling fixing like those big screws into to timber. It’s unbelievably quiet and the control for fit off is next level too. Great video to 👍
David 🥰3 months ago
Hey Matt, love it when you do reviews like this! As a third year sparky apprentice I have been wanting to jump over to the m12 range but didn't know which to go for, you really cleared that up for me! Now it's just a matter of finding the money .... but thanks for all your videos they have really helped me with tool selection and ideas for work. And wouldn't mind seeing those new diablo bits in my next week either 😁
Cheers!
No worries mate. I’m glad it helped. Definitely worth it if you have the extra cash. I do feel they are a luxury item if you already have m18 gear and your on a budget. Good luck with the rest of your apprenticeship and let me know how you go🍻
Very cool hat, surge is good for when trying to do stuff at 3 in the morning
The main takeaway from the video for me is one of health. Take care of your ears. I've spent 1000's on hi-fi and home theatre systems. To then squander my hearing at work is ridiculous.
It's not a chuck it's a collet
Hi Matt,
The bit holder for impacts are called 1/4" Collets.
Speed wobbles are due to using a longish hammer drill bit in an impact which inherently has some play in the collet. It will make the drill wobble regardless.
Bear in mind decibels increase exponentially. So depending on where on the graph, 1dB could potentially be double the sound level. (so 20dB could be something like 20 times louder!)
The hydraulic design is apparently meant to provide lower torque for longer sustained periods whilst the traditional anvil impact provides a higher but shorter peak torque.
Also I find although the traditional impact does get quite hot, the surge also gets hot but stays hot longer due to the fluid inside.
I prefer to use my M12 Surge Impact day to day for light 1st/2nd fix (especially in occupied office environments/schools) but in heavy industrial/commerical use I stick to my traditional M18 Gen 3 impact.
I honestly loved the surge technology, it's not for everyone and people don't like them due to the price and lack of outright power but I think they're a game changer!
Love your work and thanks for providing us with these videos.
+3dB is twice as loud mathematically, and +10dB is perceived as twice as loud to a person. This shows why impacts are not meant for drilling. The wobble will be in every impact, while a drill with a chuck will be solid. Thanks for this video, it was great.
I have the love the M18 surge the only impact driver I don't have is the M12 surge
I work in residential apartment maintenance and between the two drivers the Surge is always much nicer considering how much quieter it is, especially for occupied units. I don't feel like I'm disturbing the whole neighborhood trying to sink screws and fasteners with that surge yet it's still just as efficient as the standard impact in my opinion. Thanks for the great informative content, I'm always looking forward to your new videos!🛠️
The surge is heavier than my dad's makita 20volt with 2ah . I thought for sure it would be lighter, but nope. same weight, just the surge is weaker.... More control I guess. So it's a drill with the strength and control of the weak impact. But i'm on 2.0 battery.
I have m12 fuel surge m18 surge and they don't have the power of the conventional impact driver... the gen 2 what you have ive had them for years and the impact is my daily I pop a 3ah cp battery for more runtime and keep is as small as possible and the drill I run the 6.0 in it that will give you the most power in both tools you would have finished those screws if you would have had the 6.0 in the gen 2 fuel m12 impact driver... I love them I have the m18 fuel as well all around powerhouses with the high output batteries.. I can't wait to get all the new impacts and hammer drills more torque more rpm more ipm this next gen will be amazing 👏 can't wait to test them 🙌
Cool. I have the m12 gen3 regular impact and love it. Just got a set of stubby impact nut setters (Neiko) for mechanical work and they work great on smaller (1/2in and down) fasteners. Also, the Speed Demon bits work much better in an impact driver vs regular drill where they tend to jam up a lot.
My next power tool purchase is definitely going to be the new m12 surge impact driver. It has enough power for 99% of my daily tasks and the size/weight/dcb level are all better for working inside occupied residential spaces. Love your content, keep it going 🤙
Thats the gen 2 bro gen 3 comes out next month the gen 3 drill has more power and speed and so does the impact driver 1800" lbs 3600 rpm m18 has the gen 4
Interesting that the surge doesn’t put perform. I’ve got the m12 kit that you got. Think my impact has the same wobble in the chuck
Hello from Greece,
I am torn between getting a M12 Surge and a M12 FPD2 .
I want something to be able to drive stuff, from IKEA cabinets to concrete fasteners
and also be able to drill into concrete and bricks.
For home stuff, i will prolly keep this one till the day i day but i do not know what to pick .
I love the looks of both of them . idk
I'm a mechanic of 39 years experience, wish they had thought of this type of tool sooner. To those of you thinking that power is better than noise suppression, you'll always have a tool that has the power. You're hearing is more important. I've suffered hearing damage an I've used protection to minimize the damage. A product that puts most of its technology into noise suppression over power is really telling you that the companys really putting an emphasis on safety an to the workers longevity into your chosen profession. This would have greatly helped me into keeping me from suffering from all the noise issues I deal with on a daily basis. Safety over power any day.
Try using the larger 6.0 m12 batteries there amazing a lot more power.
M12 impact changed my life, I use to be an absolute degenerate using the M18, smoking crack, voting for the liberal party. Now with the M12 I go to church every Sunday and volunteer at the local salvos. 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Im a sparky and use the surge for screwing and unscreweing switchgear at fitoff time, great being so quiet and its always hanging off my toolbelt ready to use👌
I grab the surge for installation, assembly, disassembly work as well as anything in a confined space that will amplify noise due to vibration or acoustics and also limit my ability to get my ears away from the tool and still be able to see what I'm doing. Otherwise I just grab a big 20V for driving decking, structural and lag screws. I do like both the m12 impacts for running 1/4" impact sockets also. Been thinking about trying to get a 1/4" square anvil from Milwaukee to swap onto an extra M12 fuel hex driver impact I have.
Don't mean to be that guy...But that is a Gen 2 FUEL impact. The Gen 3 hasn't even been released yet. Also if you used a 4.0 or 6.0 battery it would have sunk that bugle all the way no worries. The impact are gutless with the CP batteries...
I would highly recommend the M18 surge, had it for around 1 1/2 years , so quiet compared to a standard impact , it's also really smooth, a joy to use haven't really found the reduced power to be an issue, would highly recommend pairing it with a 2ah battery, find the 5 ah its too bulky/heavy and not really required, as a 2ah will easily last all day on the surge
You try a 3a ho, use them in both the drill and driver and love them, can see a slight power increase over the 5a along with being a smaller foot print
Recently found your channel and am loving it. Coming back to the trade after some troubles a few years ago and wish you were around back then as almost all of the sparky channels were from across the pond.
Haven't finished this one yet but just in regards to the the 8dB difference, it might not be well known but because of the logarithmic scale of dB, every +10dB equals a sound that is twice as loud. So in the first test that means the standard M12 was just under two times louder than the Surge. Later on with it being a difference of +/-20dB means four times louder.
Either way I tend to overpack the ute bag and keep whats on me lighter and more comfortable so I find myself reaching for my Surge more often, but its nice to have the M18 not too far away when it needs to do some work.
hi and ty, whichscrewdriver tips are you using ? the best quality
ty.
Good to understand surge and loving my M12 drill. So much lighter compared to my M18 drill and impact.
Think the normal one looked better thanks for the review made my mind up gona get the normal one
Interesting video I run the m18 but the m12 seems so much less bulkier for the work I do
I use the Gen 1 and use it daily for HVAC Install. Works great for my application. Agree that the surge isn't worth the extra money.
Once you try out the surge, you will not go back to the regular impact driver. I will say the surge is better on wood projects and has enough power for most tasks.
I have been rocking the m12 surge for a while now and honestly wish I bought the normal impact, it is good for working on boards, gpos and other various light work but anything else it lacks a bit of power
Definitely talked me out of buying the surge, it was in the list but not any more. keen to see an installation driver review, iv ordered one just to fuel my addiction
In my opinion the power to noise reduction isn’t worth it with the surge especially on the m12 platform. The m18 surge is a little more respectable but I sold mine & now I just have the normal fuel impacts. Be careful about covering up venting holes/slots on the impact causing the tool to heat up even faster than normal.
Interesting 6.0 battery. Never seen one like that. Looks like a knock off. That could be contributing to the heat build up. No Red Link tec if the battery isn't Milwaukee.
Great vid mate. The normal one is better than the surge I reckon. I think you should do this same vid but with the m18 impacts
I own both m12 fuel gen 2 and the surge.. I'm definitely disappointed with the surge. But I still you it for some task.
What I'm interested in is how many screws can you shoot with a 2.0ah or 2.5ah HO battery before the battery runs out? There should be a test because I think a lot of people are interested in this issue and so am I
Would prefer the m12 surge for most jobs as I like the reduced sound when in peoples houses on most things. If I know it's gonna be heavier duty stuff I got the m18 that smashes harder then both and a lot quicker
I’m a dewalt based chippy apprentice but the m12 gear looks really good when it comes to fixouts and lock up jobs. If they keep getting better like these new gens you might see some red in my yellow kit….
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It's actually the Gen 2 Impact & Drill.
The Gen 3 was just released and isn't available yet.
It's called a collet :)
Might be time I replaced my m12 impact driver, 3 years old, use it for everything and its still going strong but the surges look sick 🔥
I think Milwaukee is setting the bar pretty high with the new m12 stuff because it’s lighter weight but can get the job done. I’m gonna have to get my hands on one and ditch the yellow tools.
I think Milwaukee is setting the bar pretty high with the new m12 stuff because it’s lighter weight but can get the job done. I’m gonna have to get my hands on one and ditch the yellow tools.
Trainee Electrician, great Video and thanks for the help!
Great info ...woulda thought the surge should have more power than the standard version ...
Pretty impressed with how it handles steel . Been contemplating getting the 12v kit for the smaller size . Drill in loads of tek screws into steel( usually use my drill ).
I’m not really commenting to win but I I’d just buy the gem 3 kit just like yours haven’t yet used the drill but the impact I love it
Have the drill its a beast, would like a surge impact for working around people in hospitals/houses
def looking into getting a surge to replace my gen1 m12 1/4" after watching your video.
Why would you play music over the "sound test" portion? Comon man...
I use these every day and am look to upgrade my old stuff. Even though I’m a mechanic. You just made my decision so much easier thanks heaps
If you want the power of the M18 version you need to use a 6.0amp battery on an M12 Impact etc.
Amazing review!! I hope to win one of them! Good luck to everyone!!
Great, weight is a huge factor for myself. The tool bag is heavy enough and is killer when you have to get around the city.
I’m a first year and I got the M12 gen 3 impact and driver kit for work. Haven’t looked back, so easy to carry around and competes with workability compared to the M18
I think you were pushing on the drill too hard and didn’t keep a perfect straight drill which is why it wobbled in my opinion.
The small size is really nice for me because i live in a small apartment so i don’t need all that much battery. Been looking to pick one up
I think In the next few years when Milwaukee has a bit more experience with the surge drills they will make them better in the next gen or the gen after that but I probably won’t get the surge yet we will just have to wait to see
Great review man. It surprised me that the hidraulic one is almost as laud as the regular one
Never had an M12 but would love to have a smaller one, I got M18 but it's not that handy to use
Absolutely love hydraulic impacts (based off my limited experience with them). I built a decking the other day with a friend and I was blown away by how quiet his M18 Surge was. I really hope they become more common place.
Do they make a hydraulic hammer drill?
They put down less torque. If they become more common, then work place will become less productive lol
@@dengshomeinvasions1273 Not that I know of!
@@RK_Insanityy My line of thinking was if they were to become more popular, there would be more RnD dedicated to the technology which would lead to higher torque hydraulic drivers in the future. Until then I think they're great for plenty of applications that don't require the fastest driving of the largest fasteners.
@@poxneo I personally would never use an m12 impact for anything really. I have all M18 tools and I think it might surprise you how well the 3rd and 4th gen M18 impact drivers can sink a 4-6” lag bolt
Very helpful review, I thought the surge would of performed much better
Just sold my Ryobi set to grab these m12 platforms. No regret 😍
Never tried the surge. Love my gen 3 m18 impact tho. Beast
fair looking at the surge for the quite but not going to get the surge, will use the drill driver for less noise
I believe they call it the collet 1/4 hex collet
It’s called a ‘collet’ dude! 8 decibels not a huge difference? You seemed a little biased against the Surge straight away. I call foul here. Juss sayin…. The Surge is meant for ‘control’ and better suited to normal and smaller sized fasteners. You should have used the ‘fourth’ setting when running in the self tapping fasteners. I have to agree with You on the Gen 1 Impact. Good bit of kit. So is the M12 Surge. Gidday
Cheers
Thanks mate.
Did I say it wasn’t a huge difference? If I did I definitely shouldn’t have as that’s doubling or halving the noise that’s heard. I actually use the surge everyday as my daily now, I love it.
Nice review. Wasn’t too sure what the surge was all about but good to see it clarified and compared to the normal m12. Rocking m18 gear atm but definitely interested in getting an m12 impact down the track
Surge is just so nice! Love it. That’s the gen 2 fuel impact tho they just came out with the gen 3 at pipeline. Has the tri LEDs, and that’s the collet brother 🤘🏻
I was interested to see the difference in power.
We do hospital/medical centres fit out from time to time. And they don’t like us using normal impacts.
I have heard we are allowed to use the oil/hydraulic impacts as they are a lot quieter.
I might pick one up and keep it just for these jobs. And use my normal impact all the rest of the time.
Charger in the kit haha throw it away. Rapid charger is so much faster charging.
I love my regular m12 impact it has more power and does most jobs I need to do
Honestly its not worth the weight saving go 18v and stop struggling
Great work, good vid!
Sign me up for giveaway 😃
The normal one looks good to me. Good to have hearing protection though.
Great video comparison 👍🏼 love my M12 tools. I haven't got the surge yet, but it would be even better if I win it 😉 Keep up the great work 👊
Love to see a review on the m12 circular saw
I use these jobs as im a IE apprentice and I love em a lot!
Was thinking about buying the surge but I think I’ll get the regular impact after watching this. Love the content!!