How to Use Adobe Prelude CC (2017) to Organize Your Footage
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I go over a great piece of Adobe software. We talk about organizing your footage, and getting it ready to work with in Adobe Premiere Pro!
I'd like to point out for a lot of the people stumbling on this video and seeing so many negative comments, Prelude is not intended for all users. It is not necessary when working on smaller productions or most of the time as an individual filmmaker. For the simple edit being demonstrated by the presenter here, you could absolutely work 100% inside Premiere. Prelude becomes increasingly more useful as the scale of your production increases. Once you start working with a big crew, you're shooting several mags every single day, you've got lots of locations, hundreds of shots to manage... that's when Prelude starts becoming useful. If you can train low level interns on the basics of how to input good metadata for the shots when ingesting footage at the end of the day it makes life so much easier for the editor who finally gets the footage. For feature films, big commercial shoots, or even indie shorts with a lot of production behind them Prelude can make a massive project more manageable. Right now I'm working with a director who likes to be very hands-on but hates editing- for me Prelude means I can let him go through the footage, add all the comments he wants about what takes he likes, and then when I get handed the drive for final editing there's much less effort involved in us needing to have meetings all the time or him present while I'm editing.
Well put. I concur.
Prelude sucks but this comment rocks.
I'd say it's essential if you're shooting with something like Sony mirrorless cameras (A7s) where the file structure repeats after every format. You need some way of ingesting media so that filenames are different every time or you'll be in for a hellacious struggle reconnecting media and finding the correct clips for different projects.
Really helpful comment - thanks!
Спасибо за объяснения с примерами. Теперь стало ещё понятнее зачем нужен этот инструмент)
The very best tutorial I've seen so far for the use and value of Adobe Prelude. Very well, and tightly, put over, actually going step by step... Very good. So many "tutors" skim over these crucial details... I'll be coming back for more...!
so basically this is like lightroom's cataloging (library module). A great way to see all of your videos at a glance and keep them organized(with some basic editing abilities). Premiere Pro is like the editing module in Lightroom. That's where you get your hands dirty. It finally makes more sense. The biggest issue is size of files. I generally get rid of most of my raw footage when I'm done with a video. I don't have the money to keep 30+ gigs I usually end up with after each shoot. I can see how a larger production company would want to keep all of their files organized and easy to find. They can also work the cost of new drives into each shoot much easier than I can.
Hello, yes exactly. Great comparison made here. It's a piece of software that is necessary for Adobe since they market their products as "pro" level. If they didn't have a piece of software like this, many companies would be angry. So even though it's not worth it for most productions, it is necessary.
Thanks (again) for this video. I don't always use Prelude for my footage, but when I do, I find that I have more I want to do with it. I keep coming back to this video for refreshers as well as new things to try to improve my workflow as well as save some storage space.
That's great to hear! Glad you are enjoying it!
недавно делал монтаж в котором интервью разных людей было разбито по фраза и скомпоновано в определенном порядке, так вот, с учетом этой программы я бы на день меньше времени потратил, потому что она позволяет на одном видео делать пометки о длительности саб-клипов, не удаляя ненужные фрагменты в ручную, а потом выгружать их секвенцией без экспорта из программы, что очень удобно на самом деле. Хотя если видео редактор нужен не каждый день, то данная программа для таких людей не представляет особой ценности.
Thanks for the breakdown, I’ve been looking for a reason to use this program for years, but still can’t figure out where it has value over using the finder (Mac) and bins in premiere. I always ditch it as it slows me down. It seems like an extra step for minimal returns (a bit of metadata). Still not convinced.
Super clear and concise tutorial though! Thanks for taking the time to go over it!
Thank you for making a video on this. I randomly clicked on it and I believe this will help my workflow a lot! Thanks! Keep it up!
Thank you bro for explaining it.
I think the most useful thing from this program is only neat organizing and renaming.
For rough cut I think I'm not gonna use it at all. It's hard to navigate the clip.
Cheers mate :)
Thanks for making this video. I was capable of using Prelude after this. I would suggest that the utility of Prelude besides organizing existing film and assets is: the ability to make many clips from an extended video.
This is like a Adobe Bridge but with video footage.... so helpful when it come to organise your footage work flow. It's also like the Compressor in MAC for Final cut pro But better. Compressor doesn't let you import Sony files .MP4 only .MOV
Thank you so much for being an Adobe user, a good one, with high quality content and Not use a Mac
I appreciate that so much
Its like you actually know what you are doing >.>
Happy to help! Haha yah, I have a mac, but it's not used for Adobe. I think Adobe works best on Windows, and I like teaching it on windows for sure! And yes, I have used all of this stuff for years!
you know adobe on windows is same as on mac? but yea control key is different.
Adobe Premiere would be the perfect ingest and logger for a media asset management system.
I actually found this as a great resource. I was looking for a way to organize all my footage. I am an sUAS/Drone videographer with quite a lot of footage from different dates and locations. I needed a way to organize my video and stills and make notes about each clip and be able to search on that data quickly. I only wish there was a way to just point to the reference of the assets location instead of making a copy of the files. I already have a good directory structure for raw assets.
Yah, I feel prelude can be really helpful. Yes, I totally agree with you on that. It should be able to create a database or a file structure of links instead of having to copy everything over. :/
hi - would you know if prelude works for groups all working from the same server? e.g having a junior editor ingesting and logging files, and then having an editor on another machine being able to search the rushes?
Thx so much, man.
So happy to help!!! Thanks for watching :D!!
You are a great explainer. I remember your voiice form FCPX's multi-cam tutorial... awesome!
Thanks! :D
nice video. i need to speed my workflow using premiere. one key area needing improvement is being able to more quickly pull clips captured at different times (maybe initially used on different projects in different years), which have been ingested using either Bridge or Premiere Pro CC during which keywords were added. Can I do boolean searches on keywords created within Bridge or PP CC within Prelude to pull together a new set of clips into a PP CC project? Thanks.
So what if I create proxies and rename them etc. how do I go back to the original footage for the online edit, using e.g. the clips with DSC_*** name?
Is it possible to get rid of the parts not marked as subclip to save space on the harddrive?
Really nice first view of the software thanks !
really interresting on big projects !
Would love to understand better how this fits in with ingesting and specifically the proxies of Premiere Pro. I can see it's great for meta-tagging and organisation for exporting clips to Premiere Pro but if it's also transcoding the footage (eg from 4k footage to something at lower res solely to make the editing process less painful on lower-powered PCs) how does that hook in with Premiere Pro's concept of proxies? ie How do I make sure that the final rendering uses the original 4k footage when it's actually sourced from Prelude rather than Premiere's own ingest process (which knows that it's dealing with proxies and deals with this switching automagically) whereas it probably doesn't with footage sourced from Prelude?
Ian Smith I'd like to know the answer to those questions too... great questions!
Editing directly the footage you shot will make it horribly slow in terms of editing, transcoding in Prelude will make your footage smoother when you scrub along the timeline, if you transcode to a codec like Cineform or DNxHD which will make your editing faster and more efficient
You have not understood my question. Proxies in Adobe Premiere Pro do transcoding automatically. That's the whole point of them. And they're there in Premiere Pro by just ticking the "Ingest" check box on the project, allowing transcoding to happen as individual clips are imported. That was the whole point of my question.
Then Prelude is : only good for organizing footage, and so it's basically useless for people that edit alone videos, and for people that still use Premiere Pro CS4, so that they can transcode footage more easily, since Pr CS4 doesn't have an option for proxies, it will be easier for them to transcode footage with Prelude (if they don't want to import the footage to AME and change the codec for every single clip).
I would love an integration where we have the auto-proxies/transcodes of Premiere mixed with the Logging and organisational abilities of Prelude!!
Good explanation! But her is the problem i ran into is example you only have a few clips so it is pretty east to see what you did walking and bus.. you did bus then ingest great! but when you went back to ingest to do walk the old bus files were stilled named with numbers and you did the walk which looked pretty obvious
But say you have 100 clips and you need 20 presets
a lot of the clips look the same so it is not going to be obvious which one you already did in my case i am working with microscope footage of protozoa all the files pretty much look the same unless i scroll preview the thumb nail to know what the clip is of then i can rename. how do you work around that?
Also transcoding my files from the dslr are pretty big if i transcode them to h.264 i can knock them down like from 600 megs to 100 megs and make it easier on premiere so how does transcode work with the names? will it create a duplicate so then i will have 2 files? is there any advantages to not transcode from .mov to h.2.64?
Thanks!
Transcoding to h.264 is a bad choice, it will just make your editing worse, you should transcode to a codec like Cineform, DNxHD, so your editing will be smoother. I.e when you scrub through the timeline it might be slow, bit if you transcode to the codecs i told you above, you'll be scrubing along the timeline like your cutting through butter, and when you're done editing, you can encode to H.264.
Tommy, have you had a chance to demo Preludes new Protozoa/H264 Plugin?
A really solid overview. Thanks for this. Keep up the good work my man.
Anytime!
Nice you have come to my hometown.Thanks for the tutorial.
AdobeMasters yes, i am. Have you had fun there?
Yes, I had a lot of fun there. I actually lived up in Kodago and went to Nagasaki Gaidai!
It helps me know the potential of this app
When I create subclips. I name them I see them in the timeline but they are not crated on the list top left along with other clips. Why? Can anyone help?
you've done a great job at explaining what this program offers but to be perfectly honest I don't think it's really detrimental. I mean, I don' think the program is really that useful. I certainly can't see myself using it.
If you are editing all by yourself I don't think you need it, only if you want to use to help sort through a lot of footage, I feel that this is built for more professional work environments, where you might have 2 assistant editors doing logging, syncs (either between cameras or just audio-video) and ground-work so that the main editor or editors (if it's really big) will get all the files organised and ready to edit, so they don't need to waste their highly expensive time doing grunt-work.
the things I'm wondering about are how powerful are the tools to sync, to share, and to work with different files on different computers are.
THe comments things in here is a blessing
Thanks for the tutorial, really insightful. I decided to give Prelude a chance, to split my catalogging work sessions from the editing work sessions. Unfortunately it doesn't work for me. Apparently Prelude can't save subclips to MTS. I lost 12 hours of subclipping and tagging 🤦♂️
Everything was working smoothly, but when I closed and opened the project again everything was gone. Please, don't be as stupid as me, make a quick test with one clip before starting your work sesion.
what does MTS mean? so can it create small sublips and export them separately?
good video , thanks
Glad you liked it! Thanks for watching! :D
At 08:05 as soon as you hit the Subclip, it automatically creates a file Subclip in Green Colour on the left top panel. Mine doesn't. It only creates it on the timeline.
Actually, it doesn't even let me Subclip if I create Rought Cut. Without creating a Rough Cut, I can cut and edit the videos.
When you don't check the "transcode" box, will it still copy the clip ?
Great video! Can I just import my organized footage in Premiere Pro without making a rough cut?
Thanks for the overview...mh u convencied me, i will try prelude for my next paris video project.
Can u say me, will prelude stay fast, when i load many 4k videos into it?
great tutorial - thanks!
Thanks!!!! Bro awesome tutorial!
thank you sooo much for this video XD ! saved me a lot of time XD !
Seems to me, the biggest problem with DSLR video footage is they don't have unique file names, which leads to extreme confusion on any project longer than one day.
On my Sony, all the 4K or HD footage in-camera resets to naming the files from C0001 every time you remove the day's footage from the camera!
Can you skip all the other great features this program has and simply show how to permanently rename files sequentially so that you never have a duplicate filename? Somehow, all those other settings really makes for a steep learning curve I don't need. I don't need metadata! I can see what the file contains by the image, I need permanent unique filenames that premiere won't get confused with others from a day, a month, or a year ago!
Hello, this sounds more like a camera setup problem than a program problem. Take a look at this forum post. www.sonyalphaforum.com/topic/6962-sony-a6500-video-file-number-resetting-after-video-card-reformat/
I think you may be able to stop your camera from resetting the numbers after format.
Hi, thanks for your response, but this has not been resolved in that forum. Here's the last response:
Posted 29 January 2018 - 09:10 AM
Has anyone managed to figure out how to get round this? This is a real pain and the ONLY sony camera I have owned that does this. All the other pro video cameras add sequential numbers when cards are reformatted. I shoot LOADS and it is a real opportunity for confusing edits with many files with the same name.
This is why I've turned to Adobe Prelude but call me stupid, I am having a hell of a time figuring out how to do what should be a very simple baby step of a re-name sequence. I have dozens of clips between C0001 and C00015 for my last project, (duplicates were from separate days) which was a nightmare to edit because of this.
Robert
Studio app, where there's some kinda editor assistant who is doing this. Pretty useless for personal use.
Hi I was wondering if prellude comes in the premiere package. Everytime I look into buying prelude everything leads me into buying premiere and I can't find prelude by itself. Thanks in advance.
Hello. So prelude I believe is a CC only software. That means you will need to sign up for a Creative Cloud Subscription on Adobe to be able to get it.
Im not convinced of using it. Only thing i can imagine it using for collab and big complex projects but for my travel videos i think its not worth it using it.
Thanks, that's great! Can you tell me how to use transitions from pinnacle 21 to premiere please?
There probably isn't a way to do this. Pinnacle and premiere are two different companies.So the transitions will be coded in two different ways. You would probably have to recreate the transitions in Premiere Pro. If you have a specific one in mind and have a link to it, I could take a look at it and see how to recreate it.
Thanks for this man :)
So, other than adding metadata and organizing assets, it's Premiere lite?
You could call it that. :)
tHENKIU
nice video bro
One day you will be able to take the SD card from your camera, put it into the computer and Prelude will automatically ingest all video files, naming them as it goes. Like Lightroom does. It doesn't even INGEST cards. It SUCKSSSSSSSS
I like your video, but I guess I was looking more for something that could act as hashtags -- where, let's say I'm the NFL, if I wanted to search all my content for BIG hits or funny moments or best plays, I could easily search for the content like that.....
Is something like this achievable with Adobe applications? @adobemasters
I'm also looking for something simple to tag clips. Did you ever find the app you were looking for?
Then renaming is very confusing like why do u need to make a fucking preset if u don't want to?
nice video, just fyi, it's pronounced "pray-lood"
Was going crazy the whole video!
which city of Japan is that?
That was all shot in Nagasaki Japan!
Why we need this lengthy process when we have final cut pro
Sorry, not convinced me of using it at all ;)
cool you didn't pay for it anyway
I don't know why people used to be slaves from Adobe. There are another great apps ( if y use mac, sorry i dont know for windows) like Offload, Shotput Pro, Hedge,
Silverstack....
Used to be, or are? Anywho, Those apps are good, however, they don't integrate together easily. You have to import and export with each step. A lot of people like the ease of being able to just move in and out of different programs. For example, you make a mark in Prelude, and it stays in Adobe Premiere Pro. When you send the clip to after effects from Premiere, that marker still stays. Little things like this speed up people's workflow and makes them more productive. Hince why people stick with Adobe.
@@AdobeMastersOfficial yes, I can understand. But it has no good integration with other plataforms like fcpx or resolve ... and not everyone uses Premiere. And when you are talking about "offloading", the most important issues are data integrity and transfer speed.. and I dont think, those are
the strengths of the Prelude. Prelude cannot even verify the integrity . I know , Prelude is not essencialy for data wrangling, but...
ни хрена не понятно
Total garbage from Adobe. The idea that they have this listed as a separate program to Premiere is atrocious. Bridge is part of Photoshop, but Prelude isn't a part of Premiere? Weird. But then again, in CC, Media Encoder isn't part of Pr either...
Just ways of pretending that CC has more value than it really has.
Wish they would just bring back the creative suites as they were in Production Premium CS6. But Adobe is a California program and it seems that logic is a bit weak in California these days.
Yah, you either love or hate this program. I do agree though, having it link to premiere in some way shape or form would make a lot of sense. There aren't many times when you would use this without continuing on to premiere, so logically you would think, why not include it with premiere, atleast like the bridge and photoshop connection.
As for the new subscription model, I understand why they did it. In today's world app's need to be updated frequently, having a team working full time protecting against hackers and quickly fixing bugs. The subscription money is usually used to fund these constant updates. Otherwise security flaws could be open for months between updates.
Now, the part where they begin money grubbing is by forcing people to subscribe to all the programs. Most people are only going to use a certain sector of the programs. I feel like 10$ a month for the video realm, and $10 for the photo realm, and $10 for the web realm, etc would be a model I could wholeheartedly agree with. But $40 a month or bust. (Or that really crappy $20 for one program) is a little bit of, let's maximize profits, at play.
I went from being an "$375 every 1.5-2 yrs" upgrade path follower and anti-piracy proponent using the premium suites to being a "R U FUCKING SERIOUS? $600 RANSOMWARE!?!?" non-subscriber and staunch opponent.
The math of the pricing is beyond atrocious if you ask me. I agree that $10/mo is fine for the intermediate packages, and I would be OK with $10/mo for PS+LR and $10/mo for Pr+AE and $10/mo for AI+ID and $10/mo for DW+Muse. Except of course for the ransomware BS. Not to mention the contract-break penalty policy (I've known 4 people directly to have gotten fucked *HARD* by that little stinger, two from cancer, one from pregnancy, one who straight up died).
There have been so many intelligent and fair ways that have been suggested to Adobe but it looks like at every single turn, they have chosen the most draconian approach possible.
Back when I was running University workshops, I convinced a handful of users to move away from piracy to paid use. I even convinced some to buy in on the PS+LR bundle before I realized the depth of depravity that is CC ransomware. Over the years, I have convinced at least 200-250 seats (at the most conservative estimate - limited to actual potential paying CC seats, not including things like receptionists and data entry people) to look elsewhere.
That's the thing with skilled Adobe users... eventually, we climb the ladder and get into positions with buying authority. I've worked on the establishment of 7 local and global companies over the past 9 years in cooperation with the parent company I work for as well as assisting with technical matters with about 20 other international companies.
I realize that Adobe has a business strategy. Given that the average cost per user has gone up, they can afford to lose customers. But I have something too. I call it ethic and common sense. And I am rather skilled with the computer, so all options are available to me. I chose to subscribe because I believed that Adobe deserved honesty and good faith. That has been destroyed and I no longer have any respect for them.
And as for the updates? Quite frankly, I just installed CC 2018 to a student's computer and explained to her all of the differences for every major package. It's more than a little underwhelming for the same time span that took us from CS4 to CS6. Almost all non-useless improvements have basically been corrections of oversight (ie native LUT support and a competent color correction in Pr, as well as audio sync and AE-PR roundtripping). I can only think of one or two notable improvements in PS (ACR adjustment layer is genuinely good... but not exactly a new feature, just a new implementation of an existing feature) and I'm still constantly disappointed by glaring bugs which still exist in PS and Pr (I assume the others too, but I spend most of my time in those two). Not to mention the unusual preference for useful features in LR which don't have an analogue in ACR...
Yeah, if I had spent the $3000 USD for CC since they started it, I'd be pretty damned pissed about the poor quality and frequency of updates and improvements. And for bug fixes... well... the Adobe forums themselves have dozens of threads of bugs that have been sitting around untouched for years (I participated in one not that long ago that was in the neighborhood of 10 years old!). Not good enough for my money.
And it certainly helps to convince me that this is a corporate cash grab - NOT an attempt to put more cash into R&D.
ADVICE:
1. Use RedGiant Pluraleyes.
2. NEVER USE this pointless program as it is nothing but a waste of time.
Бесполезная программа.. Все подобные действия можно сделать в проводнике быстрее и проще.))