Lee is correct. Each of the grimoires counts as it's own "summoner" so they each have their own summon limit. Meaning that 3 books that summon books can make a total of 9 extra books between them. Which means 3 grimoires would be able to summon 1 troll each. It gets crazy lol
I saw how their wands were trying to summon the eye endlessly, and immediately thought, that should be on the Grim's and the pops on that wand. with Mama Shield they'd have survived that final boss so long, instead it depleted itself doing something silly.
25:40 - That's because you have the parasite on them. It makes them meaner, but it also does 2 damage a tick to them, and they don't regenerate. If you had troll blood on them, you'd out pace their degen ticks. 32:25 - It was looking like the wand spirit was recasting the sp-eye-der over and over rather than it walking around like it normally does. I believe that would invalidate it as a target for the trolls to pick up since it would continually be the newest summon. Also since it's being recast all the time it doesn't look like it attacked at all. 39:08 - Nope, troll blood is on the tentacles to make them tankier so the trolls fire them for more damage. IF it was on the trolls, they would have lived a lot longer. 43:20 - You call it a McGuff wand, but that was the direct upgrade for the wand you're currently holding. It's just better in every way. >D 55:35 - Yeah, if you put the fire on an autonomous wand and stoned yourself it probably would have done significant damage. I don't think the Skull of Cthulhu was doing enough.
Since last update, you can unlock 2 things at the old man, One allows to see damage dealt per room of each spell The other allows you to be kirby in star allies when you have too many friends and you decide they aren't your friend anymore (summon destroy)
So, something to note about the Troll and the Spider - those two, when summoned by the player, are permanent. Unlike the books and blue dudes, who despawn when you leave a room, or the pillars and tentacles, which despawn after a set amount of time, the Troll summon and the Spider summon will stick around until they die. It makes them really damn good, and it also means you don't need that one spell enhancer that provides the chance to bring them through the door with you - save that for the other two summons. Also, the timing on this is really funny, as the devs just released an update that changed how a couple of the sets work - one of them being the summoner set that now starts with a unique passive that heals your summons on top of damaging nearby enemies. There also appears to be a new class, meaning you have even more things to mess around with.
I love the rapid tentacle slaps at the start from the arcane nova, and they triggered so many 9999 hits from the 1% instakill relic. Edit: James later mentioned that he wasn't sure what is doing the most work. Yes, it's the tentacles, they are insa-killing most enemies with that one relic, due to their incredibly fast attack speed.
Its my first time seeing the giant troll, so thats how it looks like. Its so rare that ive never seen it but i know about it from reading the bestiary.
Take note, guys, when you have the cloak of many colors, you can just get rid of or reroll any of three basic elemental mods, as the cloak is just going to randomly override them anyway. Save some space or get some better stuff, cause your elements are covered. Keep up the great work, guys.
Arcane Barrier is an Epic, so it doesn't come up in runs all that much, but the "optimal" way of using it is to stick it on a wand that isn't spending its mana itself in any way - the mana bubble will spend the wand's mana to soak up damage you should otherwise have taken, and it pops whenever the wand is out of mana to use. I don't blame you at all for not really noticing it, with everything you had going on on-screen, plus actually playing the game, plus making a video, etc. so this is by no means meant to throw any shade, just leaving this here in case it helps anyone. Arcane Barrier also gives the wand a flat +200 mana, and its main purpose is defence, so Expansion Stones are kind of just stonks for a "Bubble Wand" since you can load up the bonus slots with the extra +% mana passive for potentially huge boosts to your pool of "actually, I'd rather just not take that damage, thanks" mana on the wand.
Honestly, I think the bubble is perhaps the most broken Epic spell of the bunch, purely because if you have the good fortune to get/have a crazy build for it, you can kind of just laugh at actually having to play the game so long as your damage is good enough.
I don't have the game, but i think there's a setting that prevents wands from repeatedly overwriting summons - your Skull of Cthulu constantly gets erased and resummoned, and never gets to attack or be used as ammo. The Arcane Barrier wand, as a result, never had mana to spare.
Have you not used the spider summon "skull of cuthulu", I think? All big summons follow you through rooms. As to them occasionally dieing, I think most of that is them using each other as ammo.
legit how I finally beat the Dev fight is thanks to having the standardization wand dedicated to the arcane shield with a few capacity stones and then a magic vine to take up the rest of the space it makes you basically invincible in that fight.
The producer is basically a DPS check, im pretty sure you cannot outspeed him, he will just keep getting faster without cap, you have to kill him before he kills you. The best character to do it is fart guy cause his special skills does %hp damage to bosses.
I wonder if the troll summons work like Mr. Ke's Head? Where they can keep the upgrades of the spells when you cast them, even if you swap the upgrades out?
That was a fun run. Too bad you did it right before the new update, since they added a new summon, gave the Summoner a unique artifact, and added a damage stats screen that breaks down damage by source on a per room and overall, among many other things. Oh well, I guess you'll just have to do another summon run. 😝 Seriously, though, more summons would be fun. Hopefully you'll get the fusion modifier next time, since I've never gotten it myself and I'm curious about how it works. (Also, spider trolls and bee trolls sound mean.) If you do go that route, you might want to make sure pillars are turned on, just so you can see what their fusions look like, even if you don't intend to actually use them (their upgrades do gain the ability to do percentage damage, but I still haven't found them to be terribly effective, which is a bit shocking). A few observations: There's a gameplay setting that prevents Grimoires and Wand Spirits from continuing to summon, once their summons are at cap. You might want to turn it on, since it makes them a bit more mana efficient and, in the case of large summons, keeps them from getting reset before they can attack. You might have been better off putting the parasites on the tentacles, instead of the trolls, so they'd act as cluster bombs when fired. Pops are surprisingly good with Drop. Their shots basically become artillery fire and I /think/ they gain the ability to hit anywhere. Just, in general, they seem to be the best summons for taking modifiers.
I feel like the dog fight would've been more effective if you'd stopped moving when you couldn't outrun him any more. It seemed to me that because you were still moving and he was moving with you that he was dodging attacks. And since he's always moving faster than you at that point, moving at least wouldn't mean you survive longer. I might be wrong but what I see on the video and logic gives me the above reasoning. It would've been amazing to watch trolls fire trolls but they might not have that as an option given the default limit of 1 troll.
This is a great series and I do love watching you guys play, but I'm a bit confused by why you guys think that combining spells costs money? Are you just assuming that you'll be doing rerolls? Anyways, this is fun and I love the hurricane of flashing lights that late game builds all evolve into.
obligatory "you can make summons or spells less visible in the settings". More of a PSA for viewers, since I think Lee has some kind of reason for never doing that, or he just forgets its there.
They shouldn't have put the wand spirit on the last wand once they got the shield passive for it. Since the wand spirit kept wasting mana resummoning the eye.
Lee is correct. Each of the grimoires counts as it's own "summoner" so they each have their own summon limit. Meaning that 3 books that summon books can make a total of 9 extra books between them. Which means 3 grimoires would be able to summon 1 troll each. It gets crazy lol
I saw how their wands were trying to summon the eye endlessly, and immediately thought, that should be on the Grim's and the pops on that wand. with Mama Shield they'd have survived that final boss so long, instead it depleted itself doing something silly.
39:52 Wearing so many masks, you start to wonder if you've been met with a terrible fate.
25:40 - That's because you have the parasite on them. It makes them meaner, but it also does 2 damage a tick to them, and they don't regenerate. If you had troll blood on them, you'd out pace their degen ticks.
32:25 - It was looking like the wand spirit was recasting the sp-eye-der over and over rather than it walking around like it normally does. I believe that would invalidate it as a target for the trolls to pick up since it would continually be the newest summon. Also since it's being recast all the time it doesn't look like it attacked at all.
39:08 - Nope, troll blood is on the tentacles to make them tankier so the trolls fire them for more damage. IF it was on the trolls, they would have lived a lot longer.
43:20 - You call it a McGuff wand, but that was the direct upgrade for the wand you're currently holding. It's just better in every way. >D
55:35 - Yeah, if you put the fire on an autonomous wand and stoned yourself it probably would have done significant damage. I don't think the Skull of Cthulhu was doing enough.
45:55 Buddy face checked the Demon Tail bullets left by the last couple of Bosses you beat, taking 10% of their Max HP for each one.
12:49 "Mom said I couldn't play anymore" energy
11:09 I didn't know Xinthus had a sibling
Since last update, you can unlock 2 things at the old man,
One allows to see damage dealt per room of each spell
The other allows you to be kirby in star allies when you have too many friends and you decide they aren't your friend anymore (summon destroy)
So, something to note about the Troll and the Spider - those two, when summoned by the player, are permanent. Unlike the books and blue dudes, who despawn when you leave a room, or the pillars and tentacles, which despawn after a set amount of time, the Troll summon and the Spider summon will stick around until they die. It makes them really damn good, and it also means you don't need that one spell enhancer that provides the chance to bring them through the door with you - save that for the other two summons.
Also, the timing on this is really funny, as the devs just released an update that changed how a couple of the sets work - one of them being the summoner set that now starts with a unique passive that heals your summons on top of damaging nearby enemies. There also appears to be a new class, meaning you have even more things to mess around with.
I love the rapid tentacle slaps at the start from the arcane nova, and they triggered so many 9999 hits from the 1% instakill relic.
Edit: James later mentioned that he wasn't sure what is doing the most work. Yes, it's the tentacles, they are insa-killing most enemies with that one relic, due to their incredibly fast attack speed.
Technically, that means the instadeath mask was doing most of the real heavy lifting, no?
Its my first time seeing the giant troll, so thats how it looks like. Its so rare that ive never seen it but i know about it from reading the bestiary.
One of the best thumbnails so far XD
Lee and James b trollin'
I like seeing the combos you come up with
Take note, guys, when you have the cloak of many colors, you can just get rid of or reroll any of three basic elemental mods, as the cloak is just going to randomly override them anyway. Save some space or get some better stuff, cause your elements are covered. Keep up the great work, guys.
Arcane Barrier is an Epic, so it doesn't come up in runs all that much, but the "optimal" way of using it is to stick it on a wand that isn't spending its mana itself in any way - the mana bubble will spend the wand's mana to soak up damage you should otherwise have taken, and it pops whenever the wand is out of mana to use. I don't blame you at all for not really noticing it, with everything you had going on on-screen, plus actually playing the game, plus making a video, etc. so this is by no means meant to throw any shade, just leaving this here in case it helps anyone.
Arcane Barrier also gives the wand a flat +200 mana, and its main purpose is defence, so Expansion Stones are kind of just stonks for a "Bubble Wand" since you can load up the bonus slots with the extra +% mana passive for potentially huge boosts to your pool of "actually, I'd rather just not take that damage, thanks" mana on the wand.
Honestly, I think the bubble is perhaps the most broken Epic spell of the bunch, purely because if you have the good fortune to get/have a crazy build for it, you can kind of just laugh at actually having to play the game so long as your damage is good enough.
oh boy here we go
I don't have the game, but i think there's a setting that prevents wands from repeatedly overwriting summons - your Skull of Cthulu constantly gets erased and resummoned, and never gets to attack or be used as ammo. The Arcane Barrier wand, as a result, never had mana to spare.
You needed to be close to those jelly boys to hit them?!
Have you not used the spider summon "skull of cuthulu", I think? All big summons follow you through rooms. As to them occasionally dieing, I think most of that is them using each other as ammo.
legit how I finally beat the Dev fight is thanks to having the standardization wand dedicated to the arcane shield with a few capacity stones and then a magic vine to take up the rest of the space it makes you basically invincible in that fight.
The producer is basically a DPS check, im pretty sure you cannot outspeed him, he will just keep getting faster without cap, you have to kill him before he kills you. The best character to do it is fart guy cause his special skills does %hp damage to bosses.
Those trolls are something.
You can adjust the transparency for spells if your screen gets too busy.
I wonder if the troll summons work like Mr. Ke's Head? Where they can keep the upgrades of the spells when you cast them, even if you swap the upgrades out?
By now you should have DLed the newest patch…
Devs do hear us and they included a per room/overall stat window for your wands/spells xD
That was a fun run. Too bad you did it right before the new update, since they added a new summon, gave the Summoner a unique artifact, and added a damage stats screen that breaks down damage by source on a per room and overall, among many other things. Oh well, I guess you'll just have to do another summon run. 😝
Seriously, though, more summons would be fun. Hopefully you'll get the fusion modifier next time, since I've never gotten it myself and I'm curious about how it works. (Also, spider trolls and bee trolls sound mean.) If you do go that route, you might want to make sure pillars are turned on, just so you can see what their fusions look like, even if you don't intend to actually use them (their upgrades do gain the ability to do percentage damage, but I still haven't found them to be terribly effective, which is a bit shocking).
A few observations:
There's a gameplay setting that prevents Grimoires and Wand Spirits from continuing to summon, once their summons are at cap. You might want to turn it on, since it makes them a bit more mana efficient and, in the case of large summons, keeps them from getting reset before they can attack.
You might have been better off putting the parasites on the tentacles, instead of the trolls, so they'd act as cluster bombs when fired.
Pops are surprisingly good with Drop. Their shots basically become artillery fire and I /think/ they gain the ability to hit anywhere. Just, in general, they seem to be the best summons for taking modifiers.
I feel like the dog fight would've been more effective if you'd stopped moving when you couldn't outrun him any more. It seemed to me that because you were still moving and he was moving with you that he was dodging attacks. And since he's always moving faster than you at that point, moving at least wouldn't mean you survive longer.
I might be wrong but what I see on the video and logic gives me the above reasoning.
It would've been amazing to watch trolls fire trolls but they might not have that as an option given the default limit of 1 troll.
50:20 left two diamonds that are also heals for you on the floor :)
This is a great series and I do love watching you guys play, but I'm a bit confused by why you guys think that combining spells costs money? Are you just assuming that you'll be doing rerolls?
Anyways, this is fun and I love the hurricane of flashing lights that late game builds all evolve into.
Thanks for using g7 trainer.
Trolls launch trolls.
Just so you guys know you can't upgrade the legendary spells like the troll to +1, i tried.
obligatory "you can make summons or spells less visible in the settings". More of a PSA for viewers, since I think Lee has some kind of reason for never doing that, or he just forgets its there.
They shouldn't have put the wand spirit on the last wand once they got the shield passive for it. Since the wand spirit kept wasting mana resummoning the eye.