wait I cannot even upgrade the ssd on this? hard pass for me tbh, because I have a couple of ssds lying around which can be used as alternatives so I can go for lower end ssd instead
This laptop is not without faults but it will certainly give the XPS 13 a run for it's money in terms of performance and efficiency and is way cheaper than a MacBook Air.
No OLED option or expandable SSD is a dealbreaker for me. I have a 4TB 2280 SSD i'd want to use in whichever laptop I move to, & after spending the last few years looking at a high res OLED display on my laptop all IPS displays look mediocre by comparison. HP's going in the wrong direction with this.
Hello Matthew. An academic researcher here. A lot of our work involves software that is extremely nimble, and we utilize only 20% of the performance of any machine. We value battery life as the most useful quality in a laptop. We are a particularly good target market for these sorts of machines. Also, I don't think all pro users necessarily have to be video editors or compilers pushing the limits of performance for the machine.
Its an engineering marvel for the PRICE ,"Vapour Chamber" silent under full load, 14 hour battery. Its a Windos M1 with no upgradability. This vapour chamber allow it to boost higher single core than Mac m2. also iGPU is compareble to low watt gtx 1650 can game if you want to, vapour chamber can help to tune and pump more wattage to igpu with ryzen controller. Its the same CPU is faster than MACbook pro M2 in cinebench R23.unplugged performance is almost same.
100% agree. 40-50 browser tabs open while writing a publication; some graphical work on the figures and statistics - that is all I do on a laptop. Battery life; great display are crucial and the solid build quality. Nice materials and design are important, since I spend ~10 hrs everyday working on it. Benchmarks are really no issue for me.
Wow, I'm blown away by HP's incredible work with AMD. So many characteristics of this laptop NEED to be adopted by other manufacturers (vapour chamber on thin & light laptops, haptic touchpad, magnetic back plate). It's incredible to see a greatly engineered product, bravo!! 👏🏻👌🏻
That is an incredible real world battery life and performance for an ultra portable Windows machine. With the 680m and the vapour chamber cooling, I bet it can easily handle some light games while staying cool and quiet.
What continues to baffle me is the addition of keys with very specific functions to new laptops instead of Pg Up/Down and Home/End buttons which would come in extremely handy in typing and navigating webpages. I'd rather have a keyboard with a standard layout than an additional row of keys that should've remained shortcuts.
exactly, how often do you need to open myhp anyway. I already hate it when asus make the fn + f12 as shortcut to myasus. and hp taking it to another level of uselessness
Thanks for another unbiased review Matt. I had some significant quality issues with HP laptops several years ago (around the time they picked up the Compaq line) and I've been gun shy about their products ever since.
i bought a "consumer" laptop from HP+AMD in 2019. I had Bluetooth driver and audio issues, battery life degraded from just one year of use - now it has to be plugged in just to be used. i wish this laptop's good battery life actually last more than a year.
Dell is bugging out with their xps line. They raised the prices so much its crazy. Ive been keeping close track of the prices and sales since 2019 and they've just gone completely off the deep end.
@@jeffersonmp4 The funny thing is their upcoming Alienwares are actually some of the very few 2023 laptops with a 16 : 10 screen to have AMD Ryzen CPUs! Imagine that!
Thanks for this Matthew---interesting that the Chromebook version has a much brighter screen (1200 nits) and better camera (8MP user-facing camera), while this has better battery life because of AMD.
Such a shame this doesn't come with an OLED screen 😔 There's a lot of competitive Windows ultrabooks this year and the best ones all have OLEDs. I love my Asus Zenbook S, but if it wasn't for the screen, it'd be a very average laptop with decent battery life. The same I think applies with this HP laptop, it's probably decent but not having a really good screen in 2023 is a bit of a deal breaker!
@@theflash9068 Not true, I get 7-12 hours of web browsing use out of my Zenbook S 13 OLED. You need an efficient CPU as OLEDs are less efficient than LED screens; but you can still squeeze good battery life out of them with the correct configuration.
@@theflash9068 mini led IPS LCD is the next generation of superior displays. 1. As we know LCDs produce pure White colour unlike AMOLED which produces pinkish/yellowish White (worst for the eyes ). 2. And there is no problem of ageing by burning 3. OLEDs also have grainy display when the image on the display is full white from edge to edge. Mini LED overcomes all these Problems produced by OLEDs.
PSA If you are picking this laptop up for creative work, please be aware that illustrator will not use the Radeon 680M. I believe this is because the dedicated RAM for the 680m is around 512MB, and the minimum spec for illustrator is 1024MB.
At the time I did not know about this, but some laptops have the capability to change the amount of VRAM they have through the Radeon Software, but I'd say if you're still interested in this particular model, do some research about whether that switch does work because HP sometimes likes disable features like these
Wow, this is a laptop I didn’t know existed that has my attention. The design and fit and finish look GREAT. I can’t believe it’s an HP product. The huge drawback for me is the lack of upgrade ability. Not even an NVMe slot? Come on, HP. Especially for the price they’re charging. I do feel that the $1,600 is a bit steep. But this laptop on sale looks like a winner.
Its an engineering marvel for the PRICE ,"Vapour Chamber" silent under full load, 14 hour battery. Its a Windos M1 with no upgradability. This vapour chamber allow it to boost higher single core than Mac m2. also iGPU is compareble to low watt gtx 1650 can game if you want to, vapour chamber can help to tune and pump more wattage to igpu with ryzen controller. Its the same CPU is faster than MACbook pro M2 in cinebench R23.unplugged performance is almost same.
bruh you are paying for a tons of engineering inside,this laptop is literaly an i7 1360p with m2 battery life,and beat the crap out intel and apple with its igpu
People hate HP, but I bought my first HP laptop (envy 13) last year and I don't see any problems with it (in terms of what I expect from a 700 dollar laptop). It's built well, has a beautiful display, love the hardware cam/mic controls, decent keyboard, small but nice trackpad and even the IO is decent. I feel like whatever quality concerns people have are from the past, and HP has been stepping it up, because all of their recent products in the 800+ price point category seem to be quality and very competitive. I love that this Dragonfly laptop has a haptic trackpad... It's very Mac-like. Good on HP.
I bought i think 2 yrs ago hp envy 15 ryzen 7 and is like new ,i never used it because is rubbish.The laptop gets very hot with only browsing on google or facebook and that fan i can hear it even if i have the TV on and plenty of noise in the room. I don t knownif only my unit had this problems,but i think i was the unlucky one
@@bogdanbadoiu2717 IDK many people are uncomfortable with this but you should try repasting it. Trust me it will make a lot of difference. You don't have to use a high end thermal compound. Any decent compound will a better job than what comes pre installed from the factory 😁 I insist you give it a try
The Envy line are great general use case laptops, even good for some light gaming too. I'm hoping they update the Envy 13 x360 OLED this year, but with an AMD chip.
I've heard more than a few horror stories on hp's hinge, and have two hp laptops in my house that have broken hinge. Probably not a problem for more premium line like envy or spectre but those big name companies like dell and hp absolutely do not know how to produce a budget machine properly... and not everyone wants to spend $1k+ on a media consumption/excel machine.
Not too long ago I bought HP Spectre 2 in 1 16 inch and for some reason the battery drains for no reason when it is off, as of results I would have to plug it in to recharge it.
Dear laptop brands, please use new AMD processors for your thin and light laptops please. They are super efficiency yet still have top performance and battery life is freaking good.
Woowww. Those speakers are amazing. Thanks for the video Matthew! Watching from a HP Envy 2019 and I'm looking to finally upgrade to a new relatively priced laptop as a developer.
I love it how you mentioned it has soldered on ram and ssd in just 5 seconds, as if that's no big deal, but when Apple did it, there were hundreds if not thousands of hour-long videos criticising this and saying how bad it is. Now, I'm not pointing fingers at YOU saying you should've talked about it more, I love your videos, but I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of the general Windows userbase.
What happened to hp's gaming laptops? I was checking them out in 2020, but bought the ASUS A15 back then... And now I have bought the 2022 A15. It's a great little machine.
7:08 HP: So this is our new business laptop, the HP Dragonfly Pro, meant for businesses and we hope you'll like it, even with a soldered SSD... Me: No I don't!
Great review as always Matthew. I am in the market for a new laptop and this looks promising (except may be the screen). Two questions - 1. You mentioned that the touchpad is haptic, so directly comparable to something like Macbook air. How would you rate the touchpad on this in comparison to Macbook air touchpads? Is it comparable to the latter? 2. What is the amount of HP/third-party bloatware in this computer and how much do they affect the overall performance? Can they be uninstalled without breaking any of the internal hardware management, e.g. battery management? Many thanks in advance!
Are you starting to believe x86 can get to similar efficiency to that of Apple’s M series? If they got to this battery life with zen 3, the zen 4 versions should be pretty close eh?
@@MatthewMoniz don't see why not... this laptop is already within throwing distance of the M Pro / Max chips in performance / watt, pretty sure one with a zen 4 chip would be in the same ballpark of those.
@Gustavo Noronha Agreed. AMD is the champ on battery life while still providing backwards x86 compatibility. Idk why so many OEMs dgaf about us consumers wanting AMD.
@@charcan bro watch tech notice, jarrods tech, ben g kaiser and hardware unboxed channel so you will get an idea how powerful Intel CPUs are in both desktops and laptops. Thatswhy most of brands use Intel in their high end laptops. Just little bit time difference but meteorlake with Intel 4 node will beat everyone in performance again and also beat amd in efficiency. Meteorlake igpu will also beat rdna 3 780m or 760m both igpu. This cpus are laptop exclusive and coming later this year. Arrow lake in 2024 for both desktops and laptops will have biggest architectural change and will introduce RibbonFET transistor and power via tech. Arrowlake will beat everyone in efficiency. No delays this time. Just like 12 and 13 gen are so impressive, 14th and 15th gen will be insane. You will love Intel.
It's fantastic to see a PC manufacturer sell a reasonably priced notebook with a haptic touchpad. After using Macs for nearly all of my life, diving board style touch pads are so hard to use. I end up just keeping a wireless mouse with me anytime I carry my gaming laptop because the touchpad is so terrible compared to the Mac I use for work.
I wish more laptops had the screen-to-body ratio of the Dell XPS line. Seems no one can match them. Also I personally like the full glass display like this, Feels more premium.
Good luck finding a lot of AMD laptops at all, let alone with the Zen 4 architecture. Also bear in mind that many of their "new" CPUs are the same 6000 series rebranded and renamed to 7XXX without much improvement.
They make a chromebook in this PRO line too ... surprisingly that has better specs than this one... like a 1200 nit screen with QHD resolution. Also the keyboard layout of the Chromebook version is cleaner and better. I reckon I'd get that (the chromebook) over this any day
Hi ! Nice content ! Can you kindly check if CPU/GPU performance is different between being on battery versus being on charge, i.e. vs A.C. vs D.C. power. I have a Zen 2 4700u laptop from Asus, but the CPU performance (from Geekbench) always dips when on battery
I agree. Shouldn't have included the "Pro" on its name. When I saw the title, I thought it's better than Elite Dragonfly. Probably with RTX 3050. Similar with other 14 inches laptop that has dedicated graphic cards like the Vivobook Pro Oled w RTX and Acer Swift X.
Hey I wanted to ask what you thought about the samsung book 3 ultra I've been considering it instead of an XPS I'm not only gaming but I'd want something with good all round features like display track pad speakers etc
4:05 , 100%sRGB is what Im looking for. its eniugh for me to colour grade. your videos dont look much colour graded the display can be used someone dit like you.
i heard the g16's screen wasnt bad but has similar specs to this and you're saying its pretty bad so now im confused, i understand 100% srgb is fine for normal media and gaming but i didnt think it would be terrible for colour tasks like photoshop etc, was hoping to get the g16(im new to video editing) but now im sceptical about the display
HOW ABOUT AUDIO PRODUCERS AND ENGINEERS, THEY DO NOT REQUIRE POWERFUL GPUs. ARE THEY NOT PROFESSIONALS? OR MAYBE BEING PROFESSIONAL MEANS WORKING WITH VIDEO ONLY? COZ LAST TIME I CHECKED MUSIC AND AUDIO PRODUCTION IS A PROFESSIONAL JOB THAT CERTAINLY RELIES ON CPU, CPU CORES, AND RAM. SO, IT IS A PRO MACHINE, JUST NOT FOR VIDEO CREATORS. CONTENT CREATORS (people who supposedly think only video is content and not audio) GET TO REVIEW LAPTOPS AND DESKTOPS FROM A VIDEO-EDITING PERSPECTIVE AND BELIEVE THAT IS ALL PROFESSIONAL LAPTOP USERS DO. DO A LITTLE RESEARCH BEFORE YOU SAY IT IS NOT A PRO MACHINE BECAUSE IT LACKS A POWERFUL GPU. 🙂
No, but is far better than what Intel machines have, despite claims that Intel battery life is great, it really needs work to get just average battery life.
Some reviews have AMD's 6000 & 7000 U series chips out ahead, others don't. Similar case with performance too. Everyone's use case is different, but i'd happily sacrifice a little battery life to not have to deal with MacOS software & hardware limitations. Too much hassle.
Finally YT reviewing AMD stuff. I know Intel are throwing money around in an effort to stop their decline, but AMD is the way to go especially in ultrabooks. This laptop sacrifices a flashy display like the Galaxy Book3 Pro for an all round value package, so no 120Hz or OLED but cheaper, more efficient with better specs than the base Galaxy Book3 Pro. For a user that needs an ultrabook for work more than leisure then this pummels the Galaxy and is a very easy win. As for the usual complaints in the comments that it is not upgradeable, that is where the ultrabook market is going. For better thermals, improved latency, greater reliability, cheaper to build and less space, modular ultrabooks will die out. I use a MB Pro 13, but if I needed Windows apps, then this would be my ultrabook of choice, AMD and value.
I agree with your comment except "the upgradability is where the market is going" cannot happen. Soldered SSDs will ALWAYS be a deal breaker on computers. I don't want a brick or an expensive motherboard replacement once the SSD fails! (And it will.)
:((( the display's color accuracy is a huge drawback :(( why do othey use a wide color gammut display but can't config it to be good :((( if the delta E is around 2, I would be a no brainer buyer. And wait!!! no headphone jack??? =))) ahaha, out of my list!
You expect a thin and light laptop to be upgradeable? What do you use on it that warrants you to upgrade it later down the road? As he said, people who bought this laptop wont use it for heavy use cases
@@renebaebae0600 Of course i want it to be upgradable. May want a bigger SSD, and it would be horrible to be unable to replace it if it fails. The same with wifi.
@@renebaebae0600 future proofing? 512 is not that much by todays standards.. What if an ssd dies out later in the ownership? you will have to replace the whole mobo.
Would you buy this? Battery life is good! Also, if you enjoyed the video feel free to like and subscribe! Thanks for taking the time to watch it.
wait I cannot even upgrade the ssd on this? hard pass for me tbh, because I have a couple of ssds lying around which can be used as alternatives so I can go for lower end ssd instead
This laptop is not without faults but it will certainly give the XPS 13 a run for it's money in terms of performance and efficiency and is way cheaper than a MacBook Air.
when can we expect AMD 7040 series laptop processor?
Does this not start at $1399? Is there a special edition base $999 model?
No OLED option or expandable SSD is a dealbreaker for me. I have a 4TB 2280 SSD i'd want to use in whichever laptop I move to, & after spending the last few years looking at a high res OLED display on my laptop all IPS displays look mediocre by comparison. HP's going in the wrong direction with this.
Hello Matthew. An academic researcher here. A lot of our work involves software that is extremely nimble, and we utilize only 20% of the performance of any machine. We value battery life as the most useful quality in a laptop. We are a particularly good target market for these sorts of machines. Also, I don't think all pro users necessarily have to be video editors or compilers pushing the limits of performance for the machine.
Its an engineering marvel for the PRICE ,"Vapour Chamber" silent under full load, 14 hour battery. Its a Windos M1 with no upgradability. This vapour chamber allow it to boost higher single core than Mac m2. also iGPU is compareble to low watt gtx 1650 can game if you want to, vapour chamber can help to tune and pump more wattage to igpu with ryzen controller.
Its the same CPU is faster than MACbook pro M2 in cinebench R23.unplugged performance is almost same.
100% agree. 40-50 browser tabs open while writing a publication; some graphical work on the figures and statistics - that is all I do on a laptop. Battery life; great display are crucial and the solid build quality. Nice materials and design are important, since I spend ~10 hrs everyday working on it. Benchmarks are really no issue for me.
Wow, I'm blown away by HP's incredible work with AMD. So many characteristics of this laptop NEED to be adopted by other manufacturers (vapour chamber on thin & light laptops, haptic touchpad, magnetic back plate). It's incredible to see a greatly engineered product, bravo!! 👏🏻👌🏻
That is an incredible real world battery life and performance for an ultra portable Windows machine. With the 680m and the vapour chamber cooling, I bet it can easily handle some light games while staying cool and quiet.
What continues to baffle me is the addition of keys with very specific functions to new laptops instead of Pg Up/Down and Home/End buttons which would come in extremely handy in typing and navigating webpages. I'd rather have a keyboard with a standard layout than an additional row of keys that should've remained shortcuts.
Exactly my thoughts!
exactly, how often do you need to open myhp anyway.
I already hate it when asus make the fn + f12 as shortcut to myasus. and hp taking it to another level of uselessness
Thanks for another unbiased review Matt. I had some significant quality issues with HP laptops several years ago (around the time they picked up the Compaq line) and I've been gun shy about their products ever since.
You're welcome Bryan! Sorry to hear you had issues /=
i bought a "consumer" laptop from HP+AMD in 2019. I had Bluetooth driver and audio issues, battery life degraded from just one year of use - now it has to be plugged in just to be used. i wish this laptop's good battery life actually last more than a year.
This AMD move is great. I was saying on a recent XPS 15 video that it would be so cool to have an XPS 15 with a Ryzen 7940HS.
Dell almost exclusively use Intel processors.
Dell is bugging out with their xps line. They raised the prices so much its crazy. Ive been keeping close track of the prices and sales since 2019 and they've just gone completely off the deep end.
@@jeffersonmp4 The funny thing is their upcoming Alienwares are actually some of the very few 2023 laptops with a 16 : 10 screen to have AMD Ryzen CPUs! Imagine that!
@@jeffersonmp4 Intel was once caught for bribing DELL to use their CPU.
Finally you are doing speaker comparison which is good and helpful.
Thanks for this Matthew---interesting that the Chromebook version has a much brighter screen (1200 nits) and better camera (8MP user-facing camera), while this has better battery life because of AMD.
You're welcome! Ya its a weird trade off
Such a shame this doesn't come with an OLED screen 😔
There's a lot of competitive Windows ultrabooks this year and the best ones all have OLEDs. I love my Asus Zenbook S, but if it wasn't for the screen, it'd be a very average laptop with decent battery life. The same I think applies with this HP laptop, it's probably decent but not having a really good screen in 2023 is a bit of a deal breaker!
OLED screen will smack your battery life to pieces, lol. My zenbook 14x has at best a 4-5 h battery life on a Zoom call
@@theflash9068 Not true, I get 7-12 hours of web browsing use out of my Zenbook S 13 OLED. You need an efficient CPU as OLEDs are less efficient than LED screens; but you can still squeeze good battery life out of them with the correct configuration.
@@Dunestorm333 you said it " web browsing" lol I was in a zoom call and it last me 4h. Web browsing is easy 😅😅
OLed is a battery killer, may be 4nm AMD phoenix laptop can improve its battery life.
@@theflash9068 mini led IPS LCD is the next generation of superior displays. 1. As we know LCDs produce pure White colour unlike AMOLED which produces pinkish/yellowish White (worst for the eyes ).
2. And there is no problem of ageing by burning
3. OLEDs also have grainy display when the image on the display is full white from edge to edge.
Mini LED overcomes all these Problems produced by OLEDs.
I love how it has a distinct design
PSA If you are picking this laptop up for creative work, please be aware that illustrator will not use the Radeon 680M. I believe this is because the dedicated RAM for the 680m is around 512MB, and the minimum spec for illustrator is 1024MB.
Thank you. I wish there was more real-world usage information like what you have provided.
At the time I did not know about this, but some laptops have the capability to change the amount of VRAM they have through the Radeon Software, but I'd say if you're still interested in this particular model, do some research about whether that switch does work because HP sometimes likes disable features like these
5:52 You have incorrectly made the bar shorter for Swift Edge's score of 12964 than Yoga 9i (10865)
Wow, this is a laptop I didn’t know existed that has my attention. The design and fit and finish look GREAT. I can’t believe it’s an HP product. The huge drawback for me is the lack of upgrade ability. Not even an NVMe slot? Come on, HP. Especially for the price they’re charging.
I do feel that the $1,600 is a bit steep. But this laptop on sale looks like a winner.
Its an engineering marvel for the PRICE ,"Vapour Chamber" silent under full load, 14 hour battery. Its a Windos M1 with no upgradability. This vapour chamber allow it to boost higher single core than Mac m2. also iGPU is compareble to low watt gtx 1650 can game if you want to, vapour chamber can help to tune and pump more wattage to igpu with ryzen controller.
Its the same CPU is faster than MACbook pro M2 in cinebench R23.unplugged performance is almost same.
bruh you are paying for a tons of engineering inside,this laptop is literaly an i7 1360p with m2 battery life,and beat the crap out intel and apple with its igpu
People hate HP, but I bought my first HP laptop (envy 13) last year and I don't see any problems with it (in terms of what I expect from a 700 dollar laptop). It's built well, has a beautiful display, love the hardware cam/mic controls, decent keyboard, small but nice trackpad and even the IO is decent. I feel like whatever quality concerns people have are from the past, and HP has been stepping it up, because all of their recent products in the 800+ price point category seem to be quality and very competitive. I love that this Dragonfly laptop has a haptic trackpad... It's very Mac-like. Good on HP.
I bought i think 2 yrs ago hp envy 15 ryzen 7 and is like new ,i never used it because is rubbish.The laptop gets very hot with only browsing on google or facebook and that fan i can hear it even if i have the TV on and plenty of noise in the room. I don t knownif only my unit had this problems,but i think i was the unlucky one
@@bogdanbadoiu2717 IDK many people are uncomfortable with this but you should try repasting it. Trust me it will make a lot of difference. You don't have to use a high end thermal compound. Any decent compound will a better job than what comes pre installed from the factory 😁
I insist you give it a try
The Envy line are great general use case laptops, even good for some light gaming too. I'm hoping they update the Envy 13 x360 OLED this year, but with an AMD chip.
I've heard more than a few horror stories on hp's hinge, and have two hp laptops in my house that have broken hinge. Probably not a problem for more premium line like envy or spectre but those big name companies like dell and hp absolutely do not know how to produce a budget machine properly... and not everyone wants to spend $1k+ on a media consumption/excel machine.
Not too long ago I bought HP Spectre 2 in 1 16 inch and for some reason the battery drains for no reason when it is off, as of results I would have to plug it in to recharge it.
Great review Mathew! But will you be doing a review on the galaxy book 3 pro 360? Wanted to see your take on it!!
Dear laptop brands, please use new AMD processors for your thin and light laptops please. They are super efficiency yet still have top performance and battery life is freaking good.
Ya I wish there were more and hopefully there's going to be enough inventory
Woowww. Those speakers are amazing. Thanks for the video Matthew! Watching from a HP Envy 2019 and I'm looking to finally upgrade to a new relatively priced laptop as a developer.
You're welcome! Hope the video helps with your decision
Really interested about this as I need a windows laptop but am spoilt by apple touchpads. How do you rate this touchpad in comparison to the macbooks?
How similar is the feeling of the touchpad compared to macbooks' ones?
That useless button alone makes this laptop a bad deal. Thank you for your review.
You’re welcome thank you for watching
Matthew what brightness was the screen set at when you did the battery test? Also was it in performance mode?
around 40% and it was on Battery efficiency mode
@@MatthewMoniz Thanks for getting back to me, And thats nice to know. Do you know if performance dropped at all while in battery effiency mode?
I love it how you mentioned it has soldered on ram and ssd in just 5 seconds, as if that's no big deal, but when Apple did it, there were hundreds if not thousands of hour-long videos criticising this and saying how bad it is.
Now, I'm not pointing fingers at YOU saying you should've talked about it more, I love your videos, but I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of the general Windows userbase.
What’s the battery life am I missing his measurements?
These speakers are sooo good.
ya they are great! Better than MacBook Air but not MacBook Pro
that back opening thing is great.. the magnet effect 😎
ya it is just wish you could upgrade RAM/SSD
@Matthew Moniz Soldered RAM I can handle. What I can't handle is when companies solder SSDs! I can take a mm or two if it means a removable SSD!
No extra NVMe slots is an immediate no for me with that level of storage stock
Would be nice to see compile times on linux on these machines. Compared to mac and linux, windows is just so much slower making the comparison unfair.
What happened to hp's gaming laptops? I was checking them out in 2020, but bought the ASUS A15 back then... And now I have bought the 2022 A15. It's a great little machine.
7:08 HP: So this is our new business laptop, the HP Dragonfly Pro, meant for businesses and we hope you'll like it, even with a soldered SSD...
Me: No I don't!
Great review as always Matthew. I am in the market for a new laptop and this looks promising (except may be the screen). Two questions -
1. You mentioned that the touchpad is haptic, so directly comparable to something like Macbook air. How would you rate the touchpad on this in comparison to Macbook air touchpads? Is it comparable to the latter?
2. What is the amount of HP/third-party bloatware in this computer and how much do they affect the overall performance? Can they be uninstalled without breaking any of the internal hardware management, e.g. battery management?
Many thanks in advance!
Weirdly the Chromebook version has a much better display. Windows: 14-inch, 16:10 1920 x 1200, touch / Chromebook: 14-inch, 16:10 2560 x 1600
that buttons on the side are trash.
just leave the usual home, pgup, pgdn and end there and that would be much more useful
I like this is available with Windows 11 or ChromeOS. We get to choose. As it should be.
with the display not being perfect, is it still ok to use for coding, or will i be squinting? thanks
Great laptop but those dedicated buttons are absolutely ridiculous. PLEASE just give us page up/down and home/end!!!
How is performance on battery?
So they design it so it's very easy to pop the back off, but the RAM is soldered 😢Can you at least change out the M.2 and WiFi module?
This is my favorite laptop hands down✨✨
It would be mine if they didn't solder on the f**king ssd.
What's the specs of the c to c cable comes with in the box? Does it supports usb4/tb4?
Great review but something is missing @3:27
Loved the laptop but can't pay 1000 bucks for zen 3 arch. Also, display should have been better.
PRO, most likely stands for, Proper Regular Owners。
Are you starting to believe x86 can get to similar efficiency to that of Apple’s M series? If they got to this battery life with zen 3, the zen 4 versions should be pretty close eh?
No it will never hold similar efficiency to Apple's M series. But AMD cpu's are the best Windows has right now.
@@MatthewMoniz don't see why not... this laptop is already within throwing distance of the M Pro / Max chips in performance / watt, pretty sure one with a zen 4 chip would be in the same ballpark of those.
@Gustavo Noronha Agreed. AMD is the champ on battery life while still providing backwards x86 compatibility. Idk why so many OEMs dgaf about us consumers wanting AMD.
You should try Linux to find out if you can reprogram the keys
And to think this could have even better battery life if it had a Zen 4 CPU!
I wish meteorlake should provide same battery as this amd laptop, later this year.😊
@@charcan bro watch tech notice, jarrods tech, ben g kaiser and hardware unboxed channel so you will get an idea how powerful Intel CPUs are in both desktops and laptops.
Thatswhy most of brands use Intel in their high end laptops.
Just little bit time difference but meteorlake with Intel 4 node will beat everyone in performance again and also beat amd in efficiency.
Meteorlake igpu will also beat rdna 3 780m or 760m both igpu.
This cpus are laptop exclusive and coming later this year.
Arrow lake in 2024 for both desktops and laptops will have biggest architectural change and will introduce RibbonFET transistor and power via tech. Arrowlake will beat everyone in efficiency.
No delays this time.
Just like 12 and 13 gen are so impressive, 14th and 15th gen will be insane. You will love Intel.
Nah 1920x1200 in 2023 is unacceptable imo. I had a 2K disply on my 2013 macbook.
does it have a fingerprint reader?
They could’ve so easily put an OLED or 90hz display on this thing. If it had that, it’d be perfect in my opinion.
i feel like the option would've been good so that people can choose oled or wallet
@@therealbilaal8758Asus has some very cheap OLED laptops. I don’t see why they couldn’t do it.
The weight is too heavy for an ultrabook
3.5 is not too bad
Last gen zen3+ so ok but I would not buy I would wait to buy with zen 4
Curious to see if hp will launch this exact laptop but wuth zen4 processors, it might be the perfect latop for me,
So you’re saying writing code or doing spreadsheets is not worthy of pro? Sadge 😢
It's fantastic to see a PC manufacturer sell a reasonably priced notebook with a haptic touchpad. After using Macs for nearly all of my life, diving board style touch pads are so hard to use. I end up just keeping a wireless mouse with me anytime I carry my gaming laptop because the touchpad is so terrible compared to the Mac I use for work.
I agree haptic touchpads is the way to go. Once you use one you can't go back
Funny, I actually can’t stand haptic touchpads. The fake haptics aren’t enough for me to “feel” the click. Some people clearly don’t mind it though.
I wish more laptops had the screen-to-body ratio of the Dell XPS line. Seems no one can match them. Also I personally like the full glass display like this, Feels more premium.
Ya I dig the look of the XPS 13 Plus
@@MatthewMoniz I personally don't see why people like it. It looks like something that will age (and to me already aged) poorly.
Ironic how easy it is to open the back of a laptop that can't be upgraded
lol pretty much
What is this called in Asia, is this the new HP Envy?
Use powertoys to remap any key
If this HP doesnt have a battery charge limiter (for perserving battery health) then im not interested.
An example of great engineering ruined by the marketing department.
I cant find it for around 1000$ the cheapest price was 1500usd
6:00 - How is the M2 on top?
Because the M2 compiled it faster
Joseph Fiennes is right
Blessed day
Pro doesn't mean you are making videos on RUclips... There are other jobs for professionals that don't require a dedicated GPU.
Can you do a review of Dell xps 15 9530 2023 version.
If only it came with 32 gigs of ram and zen 4, i wouldn't mind spending more for it
Good luck finding a lot of AMD laptops at all, let alone with the Zen 4 architecture. Also bear in mind that many of their "new" CPUs are the same 6000 series rebranded and renamed to 7XXX without much improvement.
Sadly, not in Canada 😢
The only reason this could ever be called pro is if the display is color accurate, it failed even that!
Is the logo bp, hp, or dq?
They make a chromebook in this PRO line too ... surprisingly that has better specs than this one... like a 1200 nit screen with QHD resolution. Also the keyboard layout of the Chromebook version is cleaner and better. I reckon I'd get that (the chromebook) over this any day
Why would you even consider severely limiting yourself with ChromeOS?
@@Aves_1 ChromeOS supports Linux and Android natively. Some might say Windows is limiting.
So less battery life than Macs, right?
Hi ! Nice content ! Can you kindly check if CPU/GPU performance is different between being on battery versus being on charge, i.e. vs A.C. vs D.C. power. I have a Zen 2 4700u laptop from Asus, but the CPU performance (from Geekbench) always dips when on battery
That happens on all windows laptops, macbooks are pretty much the only laptops that don't get slower on battery
@@houssamalucad753 No. On old Intel laptops this didn't happen. Even u series quad core Intel models from 2018-19 if I remember
Does it have SIM card slot ?
No
you forgot to mention,Rx 680m can actually game and destroy intel iris
Ugh. No usb type a and no Oled option. No thanks
I agree. Shouldn't have included the "Pro" on its name. When I saw the title, I thought it's better than Elite Dragonfly. Probably with RTX 3050. Similar with other 14 inches laptop that has dedicated graphic cards like the Vivobook Pro Oled w RTX and Acer Swift X.
Hey I wanted to ask what you thought about the samsung book 3 ultra I've been considering it instead of an XPS I'm not only gaming but I'd want something with good all round features like display track pad speakers etc
Ya I'm trying to get my hands on one! Stay tuned.
Checout Acer swift x too.
4:05 , 100%sRGB is what Im looking for. its eniugh for me to colour grade. your videos dont look much colour graded the display can be used someone dit like you.
i heard the g16's screen wasnt bad but has similar specs to this and you're saying its pretty bad so now im confused, i understand 100% srgb is fine for normal media and gaming but i didnt think it would be terrible for colour tasks like photoshop etc, was hoping to get the g16(im new to video editing) but now im sceptical about the display
This looks like a very good dy laptop
HOW ABOUT AUDIO PRODUCERS AND ENGINEERS, THEY DO NOT REQUIRE POWERFUL GPUs. ARE THEY NOT PROFESSIONALS? OR MAYBE BEING PROFESSIONAL MEANS WORKING WITH VIDEO ONLY? COZ LAST TIME I CHECKED MUSIC AND AUDIO PRODUCTION IS A PROFESSIONAL JOB THAT CERTAINLY RELIES ON CPU, CPU CORES, AND RAM. SO, IT IS A PRO MACHINE, JUST NOT FOR VIDEO CREATORS. CONTENT CREATORS (people who supposedly think only video is content and not audio) GET TO REVIEW LAPTOPS AND DESKTOPS FROM A VIDEO-EDITING PERSPECTIVE AND BELIEVE THAT IS ALL PROFESSIONAL LAPTOP USERS DO. DO A LITTLE RESEARCH BEFORE YOU SAY IT IS NOT A PRO MACHINE BECAUSE IT LACKS A POWERFUL GPU. 🙂
Does this have better battery life than the MacBook Air?
No, but is far better than what Intel machines have, despite claims that Intel battery life is great, it really needs work to get just average battery life.
Some reviews have AMD's 6000 & 7000 U series chips out ahead, others don't. Similar case with performance too. Everyone's use case is different, but i'd happily sacrifice a little battery life to not have to deal with MacOS software & hardware limitations. Too much hassle.
It’s on par
Sir wallpaper link plz 😄
the Verge trashed this laptop for only getting 5 hrs of battery life lol
You're referring to the wrong varient of this machine.
@@mw7967you're right, I assumed this was the Chromebook version too
So easy to open yet nothing to swap inside - that's a bummer for sure
ya i agree /=
Apple Silicon > AMD > Intel
Finally YT reviewing AMD stuff. I know Intel are throwing money around in an effort to stop their decline, but AMD is the way to go especially in ultrabooks. This laptop sacrifices a flashy display like the Galaxy Book3 Pro for an all round value package, so no 120Hz or OLED but cheaper, more efficient with better specs than the base Galaxy Book3 Pro. For a user that needs an ultrabook for work more than leisure then this pummels the Galaxy and is a very easy win.
As for the usual complaints in the comments that it is not upgradeable, that is where the ultrabook market is going. For better thermals, improved latency, greater reliability, cheaper to build and less space, modular ultrabooks will die out. I use a MB Pro 13, but if I needed Windows apps, then this would be my ultrabook of choice, AMD and value.
I agree with your comment except "the upgradability is where the market is going" cannot happen. Soldered SSDs will ALWAYS be a deal breaker on computers. I don't want a brick or an expensive motherboard replacement once the SSD fails! (And it will.)
$1,399.99
Hey HP, psss psss give a chatgpt button instead of help, it will be instant hit
The only issue with this is its made by HP. Bloatware simulator
:((( the display's color accuracy is a huge drawback :(( why do othey use a wide color gammut display but can't config it to be good :((( if the delta E is around 2, I would be a no brainer buyer. And wait!!! no headphone jack??? =))) ahaha, out of my list!
No headphone jack!!!
TIL matthew is left handed and uses a mouse with his left hand to play FPS games.
non-upgradeable , thats a huge drawback...
You expect a thin and light laptop to be upgradeable? What do you use on it that warrants you to upgrade it later down the road? As he said, people who bought this laptop wont use it for heavy use cases
@@renebaebae0600 Of course i want it to be upgradable. May want a bigger SSD, and it would be horrible to be unable to replace it if it fails. The same with wifi.
@@renebaebae0600 future proofing? 512 is not that much by todays standards.. What if an ssd dies out later in the ownership? you will have to replace the whole mobo.
@@renebaebae0600 expandable storage is a thing.
This is the perfect laptop for me.
But I can't get it in my country.
Thanks HP!
Around a 1000$ !? Its 1399$ nowhere near around 1k lol
I took a wild guess at the price completely failed lol
Interesting device but I would go for a thinkpad nano or z13.
Nano's battery life is literally half this laptop's battery life.
@@FilipinoPride10 That's right but it has a better display and more ram.
Fun fact: my like on this video is the 900th.
it copied even the bad things of the mac book air though (unupgradable ram and storage) 😬
Get used to it going forward a lot of windows laptops will be going in that direction
@@MatthewMoniz we ll see