Playing PCVR WITHOUT A Graphics Card!
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- Опубликовано: 3 авг 2024
- In today's video, we will be trying out something different. We will be running PC VR on laptops that have no dedicated graphics card. We will be running SteamVR on integrated graphics from Intel on these laptops. For these tests, we will be using the Oculus Quest 2 and Virtual Desktop in order to bypass the minimum requirements check. We will also be using AMD's Fidelity FX OpenVR Mod in order to boost our FPS and hopefully get PCVR to run! I hope you enjoy the video :D
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0:00 Intro
0:40 Why
0:59 The Laptops
2:54 The Software & Prep
4:16 Lenovo Yoga Running VR
5:50 Windows Update Bullying Me
6:17 Disabling The GPU
6:38 Intel HD Graphics 630 SteamVR
8:42 Trying VRChat
9:04 Trying Blade & Sorcery
9:29 Conclusion
11:04 Outro
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VR without GPU is easy. Just get a laptop without a GPU, get an oculus quest 2, use the laptop for work, play quest 2 standalone.
LifeHacks 101
Is work with oculus rift cv1?
@@TheMysticle How do i make to have AMD FSR in my PC with Intel Graphics ? Is there a download link ?
He said PcVr
My partner’s laptop’s GPU was way out of date for over a year. He kept trying to play PCVR, but he was using integrated graphics. He actually managed to make VRChat work… at like 20 fps xD He eventually got the 1050 (non-ti) to work. It still only went up to like 45 fps at best. Needless to say, he has very strong vr legs.
How do you even get the 1050 up and running, once i open the Oculus software it just says unsupported graphics card?
@@Huggie My partner was able to get it running by updating the graphics driver. His laptop also came with fan controls, so it may have been better designed to run games. It can be a bit of a pain to get it to launch the first time.
My old laptop with a 960M would just black screen on link. It's very hit or miss for unsupported card.
Please help meeee do thissss
@@FrostKittyPaw with a 960m i can tell sometimes it will work with cable link
@@Huggie u can edit in occulus diagnostics tool to run on 1050 i believe by changing bitrate or something raither to like 1600 or 1900
this episode is like when a teacher didn't have a lesson planned for the day so they gave you busy work.
This episode is like when there is a substitute teacher for a subject they don’t normally teach so the original teacher gives them a long test to give to you.
@@KO_Manic 🤣 a long one
1 commnet to make
FSR does not use AI like DLSS does, it's an upscaling algorithm
ai = algorithm what do you mean?
@@truestbluu not in the slightest
AI = artifical intelligence
Algorithm = set of instructions that CAN be assisted by AI, but isn't always
fsr does use an AI but its to do a few simple things
@@truestbluu :(
@@truestbluu ai is something that can evolve and adapt, to put it simply, while an algorithm is something hard coded like if x= ?? Then do y.
When using integrated graphics MAKE SURE YOU HAVE DUAL CHANNEL RAM! Not having ram in dual channel basically halves your FPS!
How
@@razorbelieves7603 check if you have at least two ram modules in two slots
My first laptop had that issue 🥺
@@calebmccarty7742 think so
@@stealthysaucepan2016 how?
So amazed to find out you’re in Ireland. Equally enjoy your content keep up the hard work
So I just saw the video. Great channel and content. Last week i got quest 2 and yesterday i managed to sideload to geforce now on it. Now i try to work out how to run games in 3d and not Just flat screen. And that is just all on the quest. No PC, no laptop, no phone but just quest with WiFi. I would like to see a video for that. Keep the good work! Great videos again! Big fan here! This channel is one of the reason i got into the World of VR!
so glad I saw this video! I just bought the q2 and realized it (supposedly) wouldn't work with quest link and my surface pro on steamvr. But after seeing this video, gave virtual desktop a shot and bam worked right away with a majority of my PCVR games. It's funny how well/easy so many games run perfectly fine with the Intel GPU, despite metas apparent belief system 🙄
Hey mysticle! One thing I want to know is is it possible to boost VR games on NVIDIA GPUs? I have a 1070 gtx and it runs some VR games but I want to know if it can be boosted?
Absolutely! Try the OpenVRFSR Mod, even though its made by AMD it should work perfectly fine on Nvidia :) Bossts my frames quite a bit :D
Yep, FSR is available on both AMD and Nvidia
@@TheMysticle ok thank you!
@@flamingscar5263 cheers mate!
Works really well. Some games like alyx don’t work with it but most games work really well.
I'm pretty the U series laptops have better integrated graphics than the H ones, since the H ones will have that dGPU with it, so that might be why the Razer Blade ran worse. Might also be just the fact of disabling the dGPU breaking things.
Razer Blade has an H series Intel in it. the iGPU is definitely enabled. They use it as part of Optimus. The new 11th gen ones should have the low-end Xe integrated graphics. (Source: I've got 10th Gen, early 2021 Razer Blade 15 Advance)
This was a lot of fun to see, I can get my old vive to work on my 8700k without a graphics card (it runs a 630) and I have 32gb dual channel on that (my old gaming rig I removed my graphics card from). Was kind of playable even without the AMD mod, now wish I had tried that before turning that pc into an unraid server.
all the PCVR-games, that are also made to run on vr headset only, tend to perform better on PCVR without good gpu, because the headset sure does not have a great gpu and those headset-only-games are optimized for the shittier MOBILE-gpu inside the headset. headsets do however have an efficient gpu designed for higher screen resolutions, while your laptop cpu is designed for the lower laptop resolution. HERE the ai-upscaling works best.
for older pcvr-pc-gaming. just look for games, on the pico+occulus store pages, and care only for those, that also exist on steam. those games have much more compatibility+performance, just for being designed to run on mobile GPUs, that sure are a lot more like integrated gpu chips.
I beat Lone Echo on a AMD 4650G Vega7 graphics. It was running at 40-45fps on minimum settings, and my computer was overclocked (DDR4 3866 CL18, Vega7@2.1Ghz). It was not a great experience, but playable. However, the best gaming experience always comes from the first play through, so I am saving HL:A for my new video card.
Well that’s good for heavier worlds in vr chat
i use a laptop how did you use steam vr i have tried for days wired and it wont connect to steam vr app it does not detect my oculus quest 2
I love this kind of content! For a long time I have been a fanatic rooting android. You have mentioned in some of your videos that you are also a rooting android fan boy. Maybe you could do videos about that since no one else really does anymore.. The oculus go just got root access and no videos have been Uploaded showing what you can really do with it.Hope to see more! Watch your videos everyday and thankful for your contribution contribution to the VR community
Another huge win for Open Source. Thanks AMD for doing it.
I always wanted a video like this!
This episode is like when there is a substitute teacher for a subject they don’t normally teach so the original teacher gives them a long test to give to you.
Lmao exactly what I thought
"this looks like a threat, and i'm gonna click yes" -Mysticle, 2021
hell yah dude, nice video love the idea of doing stuff like this!!!!!
4 Vr headsets running on a single laptop/PC. With all controllers (Use virtual machines)
i like how i can hear the laptop in the background when you're talking begging for mercy
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bro i felt a chilling sweat as you dropped that gpu
This is the 1st video I watched from the channel its incredible I'll have 2 subscribe right away
You've sent me down a rabbit hole with the FSR stuff
I love that right when I need to reinstall the oculus app, oculus's servers are down, rip me
I didn't know that OpenVR FSR App exists. I was manually replacing the file in each game. Thanks for the info!
You can run SteamVR games on the Quest 2 over USB, no display ports are needed.
I like how he talks extremely fast at the end like it's a commercial ad it's satisfying to hear fast talking like that to me for some reason.
Fyi, most modern laptops without HDMI/Display Port still have USB C (thunderbolt 3) to replace those. You can get really cheap USB C to video cables for that and they work great.
do they work for vr?
@@ryanmalin yes absolutely it's basically the same thing as a normal hdmi port
Even laptops without the tunderbolt 3 often support hdmi or displayport over usbC
thats a pretty awesome background picture
Now I can't stop thinking about what Eddie is thinking lol
All of these are better than when I try to use my laptop
this would be great for game development ( so you don't have to make a quest build everytime you wanna test something )
You guys are all saying this stuff about him being like a teacher. No joke, he would make a very good computer science teacher.
I've been playing this past week on my new MSI gf63 thin, GTX 1650, 16gb ram, i5 10th. It's works perfectly fine on both VD and airlink despite, every post saying you can't play on a regular 1650. Just wanted to put that out there right quick lol
Yeah, we've seen people running VR on all sorts of under powered system. Even Intel GPUs (prior to this video).
I also have a laptop with a 1650 and I'm playing through half-life alyx, homeworks, and other stuff and it works perfectly fine. I'm thinking of trying fsr to see if I can improve quality.
@@jeremywp123 so it's safe for me to buy half life alyx?
@@judahsfinest1860 I'd think so, and if you have trouble you can get a refund as long as you have less then 2 hours play time. You should wishlist it and wait for a sale, I got it like 40% off
@@jeremywp123 what does it work better on, VD or airlink?
I recently got a new PC and I wondered why vr was running worse than my old pc. And then when I saw you disabling your GPU in device manager and I instantly knew that I've been playing vr on a ryzen 5600g CPU integrated graphics. Anyway long story short. Vr is now playable.
duuuude that’s awesome you figured it out and can now play VR. I feel like many people have had this issue before.
I have the gpu RadeonT RX 5300 and cpu Rayzen 5 5600 6 could I turn off my gpu and will it work for me on virtual desktop as well?
@@jockjackson2994 probably. But I don't see a reason to play on an igpu when you have an RX 5300.
@@eriktherandomstuff3368 but every time I play a pcvr game it’s fuzzy I can’t barely see the game!
@@jockjackson2994 well if you're using virtual desktop I recommended you have a pretty good internet connection. When I had bad internet my VR experience was pretty bad. And I doubt that your GPU is the problem.
Connect your wireless headset through WiFi Direct. It allows your headset to skip routing through your routers and just connect directly through your laptop wifi hot spot. When you do it this way you don't even need a router. I use it on my Windows 11 laptop on holidays to show my nieces and nephews PC VR on my Quest 2.
My PC for developing unity games is i7 9th gen, 32gb ram, 512ssd, integrated GPU.. and i even run GTA V on it! XD Thanks for the video. I was waiting this video for a while now! thanksssssss!!
You'll always be able to play older games on integrated graphics, if you're happy with that. If the GPU shortage ever ends I think integrated graphics, the ones capable of gaming anyway, will become less popular.
I can't my, Oculus won't even connect to my crappy laptop/
you didnt show me how to get the laptop past the cant play because of gpu issue on quest so how would i run airlink on laptop?
More vids like this! Lenovo legion 7, etc. Very curious.
I have a laptop with a good graphics card but keep getting your graphics drivers need to be updated but everything is updated how to I get this to work?
Can you make an actual tutorial????
We went to the moon with tech no better than a 1990s beeper. Lol
You should try this again on a regular HMD with a USB Hub or something. Connecting a quest to the PC already takes a good chunk of performance just for streaming. On my 2060 it's 30% GPU load.
Yeah it's a win and lose situation, cheaper headset but for PC VR you need a big PC. I have one and it's great but i am curious to see if I could get it running on my laptop. I got gorilla tag running but not vrchat yet
@@Deathbatman Everything runs fine on my rig, as long as you connect to USB3 and don't leave unnecessary things running in the background
thanks for the video. i recently bought a quest 2 and just for fun air linked vrchat on my Ryzen 3 4350G and it worked, little choppy tho...
I actually tried this with an Intel Xe integrated graphics on virtual desktop and beatsaber worked really well!! no hiccups, kept quality on potato and 50mbps bitrate and it does look a bit blurry but not uncomfortably blurry. Will try Phasmaphobia and vrchat with the same settings
Dude you just save my heart
I myself have an I7 11th gen laptop with an 3060 and use it for VR. works completely fine.
One thing I've learnt from portal 2 on a celeron laptop, FSR is not cheap
It took portal 2 down from 60fps when useing byliniar scaleing down to 30fps
Granted this was going from 16:9 240p to 720p as a scale, if I used 1.5 nearest scale than did the rest with FSR I would have had better FPS be still below 60
Can you please try Ice or Tiger Lake iGPUs? The UHD 620 on 8th Gen outputs 384GFLOPS while the "G7" 96EU on 10th/11th Gen outputs 1,075-1,700 GFLOPS.
300-500% performance difference is pretty huge IMO.
Also it seems you tested "low end VR" on a GTX 760 last year which outputs ~2,400 GFLOPS so the latest Intel "Xe G7" iGPUs will likely net you 35% less FPS or lower resolution.
When you run a computer with hybrid graphics and you disable the actual graphics card. You cause yourself a whole slew of problems because most of those laptops are made just where the integrated graphics on the CPU renders the OS. You would have to do a lot of driver tweaking to make that not a headache.
That new beat saber mode is called Vaseline.
1:50 I have the exact same GXT sticker on the side of my pc lol
haha you did the thing! got mine to work on a 2600g
Great video, I wanna do this with my Nvidia Optimus laptop but I cant get it to work at all because the HDMI port is connected to the iGPU instead of the dGPU... so the oculus software doesnt detect the headset as being connected. :)
My notebook with UHD 11 (Probably it's UHD 750, or Internal graphics i7-11800H) running Beat Saber in 3900x1900 resolution and 120hz, absolutely good! Idk how, but it really works, and i realised that when Beat Saber choose internal graphics instead external 3060.
Lower spec hair would keep me subscribed
its like testing a can of coca cola, if its taste like coca cola..... ;)))
All I got to say is “laugh my ass off”
I did the same thing for roblox vr, it makes you insanely motion sick
OMG THANK YOU!
"Remember when GPUs were $1000 and now we don't even need them anymore?" xD
I wonder if you can do vr on m1 Mac with parallels or crossover
I wonder if using graphics like mx350 (which still doesn't support vr) would allow us to run games like vr chat and Minecraft
The shirt is wild
Just revisiting this. The Android version of slime VR server does not support Auto proportion and the desktop version needs steam vr.
People can use this to get their proportions then put them in the quest slime server
bro started spitin sum bars 11:10
this video just confirmed my thoughts that my gtx 1050 radioactive uranium and calcium runned laptop will run minecraft vr
It probably will 🤣
What I hope for is VR cloud gaming.
Youre straight up rapping in the outro
I wish you would have tested watching movies in VR.
I never knew about FSR I'm so glad, I boosted my Vr performance while playing payday 2, my first game ran smoothly but the graphics were not the greatest, hard to see
But I tweaked my settings and it looked exactly how it should, I'm gonna try FSR and see if it works better
Did it work better?
can i use my apple 3 computer. I over heats if i open up google chrome but it should be fine right
hey! it takes several relaunches for some vr games to load, but also try this on windows 11 and see if that changes anything?
THE POWER OF LAPTOPS
make sure you change steamvr resolution too along with fsr!
I think that the reason the fps didn't change much when you put the resolution higher is because the GPU isn't good at encoding video at a fast framerate so it can't get the full framerate that the computer is rendering. The only way to get the full framerates is by using a steamvr headset or any headset that doesn't use video streaming and connects directly into the computer
Cockatiel pfp makes me go yes
Hey mysticle I was wondering if you could make a video about proving performance in alyx. I have a 1650super with a pretty heavy oc and I can get a locked 90fps but only at 60% resolution.
ryzen 3 2200g's vega 8 actually works. it isn't like perfect 90fps 4k or something but you can definetly experience most big pcvr titles like half life alyx and still have fun
Hello, will the test be a laptop with an integrated Radeon 760M or 780M GPU with Quest 2 connected and a VRChat game running?
NIce. I would just play Beat Saber directly on the Quest at that point. I think the tradeoff in quality for super low spec pcvr isn't worth it vs what's available directly on the Quest.
of course this was just a proof of concept
I.... Would like to see more of this. What is the weakest Gpu and and laptop that can play VR.
Try Vega integrated graphics on AMD APUs, I've gotten playable framerates on them at completely reasonable resolutions
I have the Surface Book 2 w/ the GTX 1060 since it first came out 3 yrs ago and the Oculus Home PC app always worked fine with it until Oculus decided to put it on their block list :( i had a few Oculus PCVR that worked fine like Robo Recall, SPT, The Unspoken, The blu, Apollo 11 etc. Now I can’t access my PC purchase but thankfully VD can access and play the installed games even when Oculus Home won’t even open. I was also able to finish HL:Alyx on low/medium settings and I’m playing Walking Dead:SS right now and they are very playable still w/ Virtual Desktop on Steam. I hope Oculus hurry up with their Quest Pro w/ higher specs bec I’m past my PC tinkering days now.
bro is the next Eminem
What do the devs think about FSR? Technically it's a mod. I think it will likely end up being integrated into Unity at some point but for now it's not.
I've done this for a while but now I have it good
the fact before i’m getting a pc on christmas (can’t wait!!) his laptop runs better than mine 😭😭
next video: *running crysis on oculus quest 2*
I was thinking if I am the only crazy one but seems like I am not
EALRY SQUAD WHATTT???
Most people don't know the meaning of minimum graphics to the extreme.
I run subnautica on a i3 gen 7, 4g ram, laptop
I managed to play shadow of war on it as well.
This PC requires work to get running on Minecraft already, but if I die things just right, I can get 60 fps with smooth shading, anti aliasing, etc. I even ran it a little with shaders.
If you have a terrible computer, and want to play good games. That minimum requirement it says on steam I'd no where near what you can run it on. You dont need a gpu to play games, you only need determination
Same with streaming, the absolute bare minimum needed is a lot less than most people would think. That said if you want an enjoyable experience minimum spec or better is the way to go.
cool! I’ll use it on my 1650 gpu!
can you make a video on playing a game with virtual desktop on windows 10. I just wanna see how it runs
i love that shire
Hi, have you try using a laptop with Intel 11th Gen CPU with Intel Iris XE Integrated Graphics? They said that it is better that those other graphics card that was included on minimun requirement for quest 2?
I understand tat gaming is a no no, but what about making it a remote VR working rig? maybe just regular use for productivity? ty for taking a look
I use my mid-end laptop for pcvr, it handles beat saber and minecraft bedrock vr (vivecraft just crashes) pretty well, i get some frame drops but not enough for it to make it unplayable or make me motion sick
To answer on vrchat, on an intel core i3, 4gb ram vrchat will run at 15fps set to the lowest modded setting with random freezes and loading any avatar from someone else causes a crash