Makes you realize how much production Butch and Billy put into the recording of the album. Never in a thousand lives would I contemplate about using 6+ pedals for a lead sound. Makes me realize how much of a sonic architect Billy is. I suppose the less is more approach simply didn't cut it back then :) Now I understand why he was using a looper switcher on the Siamese Dream tour. You can see it in many videos. Such a crazy record. Soundwise totally unique. Almost a bit alien, really muddy sometimes - but it worked 100%. Funny that no band (at least to my knowledge) ever tried to use a similar sound configuration for their records. You wouldn't dare to get too close to Siamese Dream because it's so all encompassing and recognizable. The guys at EHX in New York probably keep a Billy Corgan altar with candles and a Big Muff in the middle :)
This is quite unexpected. I would never have arrived at this organisation of pedals to achieve this sound (and I would have failed massively had I tried). Brilliant and instructive. Thanks!
Well this was slightly embaressing...you have literally just built my pedalboard. Only differences are a Diamond Comp Jr, a Mid-Fi Peace Gun in place of the Jordan fuzz and a Bad Stone phaser. You made me realise how much I owe to Billy's tones!! Great demo, thanks so much
@@EddieClark Hi Eddie, may I ask if you've tried using the setup in this video in a band/live context and, if you have, did it yield good results or did you find that you were a bit lost in the mix?
Yeah I think I’ve replicated your sounds with a few changes to the choice of pedals. HUGE SOUND. Thank you so much and I’ve tested this live, it holds up really greatly
Holy shit, this is fukin amazing! You are nailing these lead tones! I love how in Billy's solos, the sustained 1 note holds and then the fuzz/synth/phase chokes it out in a fizzle of signal exhaustion...
What a crazy creative and unusual approach, his signal chain is mind boggling until, it comes together. Then, there it is! I dont want to sound like someone else but there are things I love and would like to barrow from it. I remember seeing them play the whole album live Lalapalooza 1993 I think it was. All I can say is, I remember it being, dynamic, and intense, the vibes and feel, it was absolutely unreal. Some of his best work IMO. Thanks for this.
I love the Buzz Tone. It's part of my main board build as well (not just my Siamese Dream build). "Here is no Why" is one I need to finish up. I recorded the solo for a short earlier this year. ruclips.net/video/wZd2durotvc/видео.html
I've been checking out videos on this topic for a decade, and this is the First youtube ever, that TRUILY gets the tone right and accurately enough to use the STRYMON DECO - which is CRITICAL. Instant credibility, subscribed.
Highkey most informative video ever because of the examples and demonstration. You really had consistent demonstration of how applicable these pedals would be per situation. That’s what Billy considers with his gear
Jeez, I was getting caught up with simply how well done your video is and then... and then 7:47. Glad I came across your channel after I've been thinking about SP's tones a lot lately. Awesome quality.
I love it. Man, and I thought I was the ultimate Pumpkin fan. This is really helpful. Thanks for what I'm sure was a hell of a lot of work. I'm going to try to recreate this. I've got the right pedals, just not the specific make and models you are using. We'll see if I can get close. Thanks again. Great insight to a much beloved sound and album.
wow, you are really thorough. Just the kind of video I was looking for. If you did this type of thing for every(eh, most) 90s bands, I'm sure your channel would blow up. Good job.
Thanks so much for doing this video! I was working on a cover of Hummer and struggling to get that Siamese Dream tone but this video on the lead tone and the other one on the general Siamese Dream sound were so helpful - your covers are spot on too!
I also just bought all of the vintage Mellon Collie rack gear, but the Strategy 500 is in the shop being repaired as we speak. When I get it back, my first cover is going to be Porcelina for sure! Ruby I think is the second best song on that album. I’m more interested in playing the B sides of that album.
Marshall amps will set you free. Using that as the power amp and base of your tone will get you into Pumpkin territory. Modern Marshalls like the JVM and DSL series heads will definitely get it done, since he had always used modded, jumped up versions of the JCM-800 with KT-88 tubes. Now for live tones... A common misconception is that Corgan used the same Big Muff Pi and JCM-800 live on the Siamese Dream TOUR, which is false. He couldn't get the Muff to sound good live, so he ditched the JCM "SOUL" head and started using a JMP-1 preamp going through a Marshall Monobloc power amp in rackmount form. He had already owned the Mesa-Boogie Strategy 500 power amps during the recording of Siamese Dream, but he wouldn't incorporate the two units into his rack until early 1995. A lot of the effects was an Eventide H3000 Ultra-Harmonizer and possibly something else. He loved the Yamaha REX-50 on the Gish tour as well. I know this is for the album tones, but I'd like to add context to a live application
Another amazing video. I love how you showed each pedal and explained them all, turning them on one by one. After all these years I never knew a compressor had this effect.
This is a video I’ve waited 25+ years for. Just ordered a Buzz Tone. May get the Bloody Finger instead of the Dist 2. Also looking at the Deco. Would love to see a breakdown of some of their more modern clean wash tones such as Wound. Likely based around the same Selmer as Tonite, Tonite?
The other buzz tone demos I heard on youtube does not sound like this at all. Did you get this sound with it? The ehx satisfaction does not sound like it whatsoever
I made a helix preset for the cherub rock solo and it's a lot of the same effects you're using. I use their "retro-reel" and that's pretty much what the strymon is doing here. I have the synth running parallel at one point in the chain with the mix down to keep it sort of subtle. I have their mutron bi-phase model on there as well. I can't remember the exact amp model I'm using, it's either a JCM 800 or JCM 2000, with the drive up and a good amount of mids, and a treble booster into a big muff model. I can't remember if I put any other modulation on it. I might have done a chorus or a very slow flange set very low. I think I also used a wah set on one frequency with mix down to about 40 or 45 just to get some extra pop on the mids.
I find the dist 2 sound not only has a special way of hitting the front of the big mutt but it also on its own really captures for me the sound and low end subtle grit of the machine ii (2) album. Songs like vanity - that warm growling guitar- I get that from my Made by Mike dist ii. Also the clean to grit transition of a riff like Drown- very easy to find that balance on the dist ii. If you are a pumpkins fan but aren't necessarily looking to cover / tribute their material, the dist ii really made me feel like I was racing on Billy's track - without stepping on his style too much. Get a made by Mike Uk dream box, so much fun.
Interesting- I have the micro synth and don’t use it much because the notes don’t sustain long. I’m definitely going to try it with a compressor now. Thank you for sharing this
First off, congratulations to Eddie for managing to nail these sounds - incredible work! You have gained a subscriber. Secondly, does anybody have any experience of trying to use this setup (or similar) in a live context? How was it? Does (or did) your guitar shine through in the mix or does it just get lost in a mush of scooped fuzz? I know BC didn't use the Muff for live applications. In fact, I believe he mainly used rack gear for a long time when performing.
Is the capistan and the strymon deco the same bc billy used that one i dont rembember where i saw that but it was in that stompland video where he shows all his pedals
I have all of those pedals except they’re the original vintage pedals, I also have the earlier “Script” Phase 100. I even have a V4 and V5 big muff. The output on the V4 comes out much louder than the V5 for some reason, I actually love the V5 sound a little better. Of course I also had to get a JCM800 with KT88 tubes for that super clean tone to play them on.
Awesome video dude! You've nailed those tones👏👏👏 Please can you do a video on Starla. Would be really interesting to explore all those reverse efects in the intro and that mad filtered solo.
Awesome. About the phaser though, I'm not sure just any phaser would have the same effect. I've compared a vintage Bad Stone, Mutron Phasor II and MXR Phase 100, and the Phase 100 is definitely the one to go with on Siamese Dream. Especially Mayonaise.
Keeping the rate and color of other phasers can get you in the range but ultimately I agree with you. The Phase 100 is THE phaser for SD. Thanks for watching!
Hey Eddie, i came across your channel watching cover and I have to say you are doing Gods work, I really appreciate the effort you took to learn how all the little pieces fit together and you are the only guy I've found that goes into depth on how these all fit together. I really want to learn more and wanted to see if I could contact you in anyway
Could you do a video where you compare the standard humbucker or single coil with the lace sensor guitar for these songs? How much of a difference do the lace sensors make
@@EddieClarkbtw JHS pedals released the legends of fuzz Plugin pedal a few months back, supposedly its an exact copy of the original jordan buzz tone, yet on all the videos I heard it doesnt have the sound you have here, and those guys have really expensive amps and guitars, not only doesn't it sound like this, it has the thinnest and weakest sound out of all the fuzz legends series! some further explanation how to get that tone would be killer, is there a difference between the jordan boss tone and the buzz tone? Are you running a certain preamp or something?
No. The Buzz Tone is a close circuit to the fuzz that was pulled out of the MSA lap steel guitar. The bloody finger didn’t come around until well after Siamese Dream
@8:30 Ok....now you've got my attention. That sounded exactly like Rocket!!! Fuck.... Well done sir. Well done. I'm gonna have to look at how to replicate the Micro synth on my Axe Fx.
Killer playing, man! You definitely nailed all the little intricacies that make Billy's playing *so* expressive and exciting to listen to. Also, I love the in-depth research that went into making this, especially as a huge Pumpkins fan. Do you think I can approximate the tones you got with the Micro-Synth using a Pitch Fork? (the Micro-Synth is a little too expensive for me). Again, huge kudos for the amazing work you did!
Thank you! Greatly appreciated! The best cheaper alternative to the Microsynth I've found is the EQD Bit Commander. The nice thing about the Bit Commander is you don't need the compressor for the longer sustain. The Pitch Fork will get you 50% of the way there though. Hope that helps!
These are amazing. I’ve been trying to get the Hummer and Cherub Rock solo sound for years, never getting all that close. Totally thought it was because I had no MuTron haha. The Deco is a great addition. Thank you so much for going to the trouble. Subscribed immediately. Think you’ll do a Mellon Collie rhythm / lead tone segment?
It’s amazing how close you’re getting to the lead sounds with the pedal board. I know they did a lot of post production tricks. Any chance of a tutorial on the Soma leads?
I’ve been playing for a long time myself and I’m a pretty decent guitar player but I feel you on that. Breaking it down is a whole other can of worms. That said, your arrangement was really cool and even a slightly slowed down, close in tutorial would be more than I’ve seen.
Man, I can't even tell you how many times I've watched this video now. This is the ultimate in guitar tones and your explanations are fantastic. I wish I had gotten the opportunity to meet you when you were in Chiang Mai, but no worries. I'm thankful for this amazing gift of knowledge that you have shared. I have alternative versions of everything you have now except for the Micro Synth, Deco and Eventide. I was just wondering if you might care to share your settings for the Buzz Tone and Dist +. I can't quite see. No worries if you don't want to go that far. I'm sure I can experiment and figure out my own version. Hey.. by the way.. are you going to continue this channel? You are one of my favorite dudes to follow for guitar stuff and it looks like you don't post so much anymore. Why is that?? Hope all is well and I hope you get back to making videos!
I’m still planning on continue the channel but a love of travel has dominated my time. Let’s grab coffee in a month. I’ll be back in Chiang Mai mid Oct and I’ll be there for 3 months.
@@EddieClark - I shared my contact info but it seems to have disappeared. Was that a glitch on my end or did you delete it for privacy reasons? Just wanted to confirm, just in case it was an error with my phone.
Oh and question about saturation tones and pedals. Have you thought about the JHS Color box V2 for the saturation tones? I am now chasing all the pedals that you used!
@@EddieClark yeah mate, especially solos in Plume - I've tried 10 different phasers to get that lovely 'swoosh' sound when the notes stop holding, but apparently I'm doing something wrong...
Amazing videos! I am into the these videos! Great job and I am going to try the same thing. Your ear and knowledge of the pedals is great. Have you thought about doing a series on the other great 90s bands? How to sound like ....... I bet it would be a hit! In the meantime what does the H9 do in the chain? (are you using delay, reverb, pitch?)
You nailed the tones Eddie. Subscribed! How did you discover the Jordan boss tone as one of the ingredients to the corgan sound? All I ever read about since forever are IC big muffs, and occasionally a fender blender, but I’ve never heard of Bly using the Boss tone.
Thanks! I got that info from the original tab books. Billy used a fuzz pulled from an old slide guitar. The Buzztone is that type of circuit. Once I learned that they were the same/similar circuits, I had to give it a try.
Thanks Eddie. I think I also hear the micro synth on the soma guitar solo, it seems to have that octave up thing going on. Could you do a video on how to play the solo?
Thanks! I've been messing around with a JPTR Effects Katastrophe to get some MCIS type sounds. Any of the Marshall in a box pedals with a clean boost will get you in the ballpark. The pickup type matters more for the MCIS sound compared to SD. A humbucker or red Lace Sensor in the bridge is pretty critical for the MCIS high gain tones.
curious to get your thoughts on the Line 6 device - saw a video where Billy went into some detail about it - and if I wanted to get some of these sounds out of a cello how I might do that!
Thanks for watching! I haven't tried the new Line 6 yet but I will be ASAP. I would love to hear a cello through any of these effects. That's said, I don't know enough about cello to really say. I bet cello would be amazing for replacing any of the EBow parts on guitar though!
I’m the guy who posted a comment on your Reddit video. About getting closer to the cherub rock solo tone. My buddy and I are starting a little smashing pumpkins jam band in the bay area. Let me know if you end up moving to the bay area because then you’ll be one of the 2 guitars in the band. Hahh. (As you know, to really do SP justice, you need 2 guitars!). 🤘. Actually, when we play live, I’ll just fly you down as a guest guitarist to join us. Ha ha Ha
@@EddieClark btw I sent you a chat on your Reddit account, not sure if you’ll get a notification. Anyway, lmk if your down for connecting. I’m obsessed now with getting this full setup so I’ll be striving for the right settings. (So many dials…Hahh)
I had it at the absolute end of the chain in this video but on my actual board, it's before the Eventide. I don't find it makes a huge difference on a mono board like in this video. However in stereo operation, I prefer the Eventide last because it doesn't mix down the stereo signal coming in to mono before applying it's own stereo effect (as the Deco does). If you listen to the audio in my "Soma Sound" video, that was recorded with the Eventide last.
It's not too hard. The secret is to blending two different Big Muff settings on each side (left and right). Use 2 rhythm guitars per side (4 total). On the first side (left), set the Big Muff tone knob around 1-2 o'clock for one track and 11 o'clock for the other and use position 2 on your guitar (assuming a Strat style guitar). On the other side (right) do the exact same thing but use Strat position 4. I cover the rest in this video here: ruclips.net/video/dp5K8u3EsKA/видео.html If you didn't see it, here's my Quiet cover ruclips.net/video/OCry1v-2cRw/видео.html
This is super fun, but one thing I’ve never figured out is the spacey eroding delay effect used in Soma. I didn’t notice it much on the album, but in their live performances (remember the VHS “movie” they released back in the Siamese days?) it really came through on that and SF. Have you ever figured that out?
Thanks for watching. The spacey delay effect is Band Filter Delay preset from the Eventide H3000 Harmonizer. It this video, I show how to approximate it with the Eventide H9 The Soma Delay Sound - Eventide H9 ruclips.net/video/Q-DHyeKgWOg/видео.html
@@EddieClark - I found that video after I wrote you this…can’t believe it was that easy! I’ve been trying to figure this out for years!!! Nice work! By the way, Billy recently posted a video reviewing the new EH OpAmp Big Muff reissue pedal, and just that and his Marshall was sounding totally Siamese Dream-esque. Might be the easy button moving forward.
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you even got the hair down
😂😂😂
Makes you realize how much production Butch and Billy put into the recording of the album. Never in a thousand lives would I contemplate about using 6+ pedals for a lead sound. Makes me realize how much of a sonic architect Billy is. I suppose the less is more approach simply didn't cut it back then :) Now I understand why he was using a looper switcher on the Siamese Dream tour. You can see it in many videos. Such a crazy record. Soundwise totally unique. Almost a bit alien, really muddy sometimes - but it worked 100%. Funny that no band (at least to my knowledge) ever tried to use a similar sound configuration for their records. You wouldn't dare to get too close to Siamese Dream because it's so all encompassing and recognizable. The guys at EHX in New York probably keep a Billy Corgan altar with candles and a Big Muff in the middle :)
Yes they have even made a new orange pumpkin pi big muff.
right next to his David gilmour alter
Nevermind truly was a Nirvana Pumpkins album. Then, Siamese Dream was a Pumpkins Nirvana album.
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Those are two pretty distinctly different albums.
@@CorbCorbin butch sewed them all together
SIAMESE DREAM is a perfect album
This is quite unexpected. I would never have arrived at this organisation of pedals to achieve this sound (and I would have failed massively had I tried). Brilliant and instructive. Thanks!
Thanks for watching! Glad you found it useful! It was a huge “aha” moment when I first heard it all together.
Well this was slightly embaressing...you have literally just built my pedalboard. Only differences are a Diamond Comp Jr, a Mid-Fi Peace Gun in place of the Jordan fuzz and a Bad Stone phaser. You made me realise how much I owe to Billy's tones!! Great demo, thanks so much
*Billy is the most under-rated axe man of all time*
Amazing video by the way
Underrated? Who tf says, he´s bad???
@@crowdsurfer77 Steve Lukather :o
Don't forget about Rocky George when you talk about under rated guitarists.
Yeah. He can play the guitar like crazy! But he is kind of a D-bag. That’s why he gets less respect. Just the truth.
Douche-Baggery and axe skills seem to be linked in some way haha@@I_have_Aquestion
This channel deserves way more subscribers
Thanks Anthony. Greatly appreciated!
Man I really don’t know how you don’t have a huge following this is so useful and in depth. Thank hou
Thank you! Glad you found it useful
@@EddieClark Hi Eddie, may I ask if you've tried using the setup in this video in a band/live context and, if you have, did it yield good results or did you find that you were a bit lost in the mix?
thankg god someone actually gave ALL THE PEDALS… ive been looking everywhere and I finally found it THANK YOU!!
No problem 👍
Yeah I think I’ve replicated your sounds with a few changes to the choice of pedals. HUGE SOUND. Thank you so much and I’ve tested this live, it holds up really greatly
Staggered this ain’t a bigger channel or more views at the minimum. Amazing band and a true masterpiece of the 90s. Really does make you miss the 90s
Holy shit, this is fukin amazing! You are nailing these lead tones! I love how in Billy's solos, the sustained 1 note holds and then the fuzz/synth/phase chokes it out in a fizzle of signal exhaustion...
would be very cool to see you do the Gish guitar tone
ADA MP-1!
What a crazy creative and unusual approach, his signal chain is mind boggling until, it comes together. Then, there it is! I dont want to sound like someone else but there are things I love and would like to barrow from it. I remember seeing them play the whole album live Lalapalooza 1993 I think it was. All I can say is, I remember it being, dynamic, and intense, the vibes and feel, it was absolutely unreal. Some of his best work IMO. Thanks for this.
Thanks for watching! Glad to do this. 💪
For your Melancholy cover, try “Here is no why” and “Bodies”. Thanks! Also, awesome tip on the Jordan Buzz Tone.
completely agree! these were literally the same 2 songs i was going to recommend. Love also has an interesting tone too, id like to see that!!
I love the Buzz Tone. It's part of my main board build as well (not just my Siamese Dream build).
"Here is no Why" is one I need to finish up. I recorded the solo for a short earlier this year.
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Perfect song picks
@@idfkisaacthe tone of love is an easy to get you need a super fuzz and a really wild flanger
@@mariamujica6267Superfuzz? Where did you hear that?
I've been checking out videos on this topic for a decade, and this is the First youtube ever, that TRUILY gets the tone right and accurately enough to use the STRYMON DECO - which is CRITICAL.
Instant credibility, subscribed.
Dude! That’s some bad ass playing and tones
Appreciated mate!
Thank you so much for this Eddie. Much more complex than I thought. That sustain on the leads always blows me away.
Highkey most informative video ever because of the examples and demonstration. You really had consistent demonstration of how applicable these pedals would be per situation. That’s what Billy considers with his gear
Finally a decent video on their sound! Nailed it!
Dude, you're amazing! I'm in some SP fan groups. I'll be sharing your channel in both groups. Highly informative!
Jeez, I was getting caught up with simply how well done your video is and then... and then 7:47. Glad I came across your channel after I've been thinking about SP's tones a lot lately. Awesome quality.
Thank you very much and thanks for watching! Hope it helped 👍
Thru the eyes of ruby!
that’s amazing
I love it. Man, and I thought I was the ultimate Pumpkin fan. This is really helpful. Thanks for what I'm sure was a hell of a lot of work. I'm going to try to recreate this. I've got the right pedals, just not the specific make and models you are using. We'll see if I can get close. Thanks again. Great insight to a much beloved sound and album.
i’m so lucky to have found this video, i was just looking for one
Crazy under appreciated guitar channel, subbed
Loving that micro synth sound - loved it so much I’ve just ordered one!
How much you paid?
@@leob4403 about £180 in the UK at the time. Prices here have really gone up since then
@leogovan5076 mine just arrived today :) do you know what order of the pedal chain is?
wow, you are really thorough. Just the kind of video I was looking for. If you did this type of thing for every(eh, most) 90s bands, I'm sure your channel would blow up. Good job.
Thank you!
Thanks so much for doing this video! I was working on a cover of Hummer and struggling to get that Siamese Dream tone but this video on the lead tone and the other one on the general Siamese Dream sound were so helpful - your covers are spot on too!
Thank you so much for this. You’re giving me Alton Brown vibes. Easy to pay attention too. Do more vids like this!
Best pumpkins Siamese Dream tones I’ve ever heard outside of Billy and Company. Great job bro!! Liked and subbed
Thank you! Greatly appreciated.
I also just bought all of the vintage Mellon Collie rack gear, but the Strategy 500 is in the shop being repaired as we speak. When I get it back, my first cover is going to be Porcelina for sure! Ruby I think is the second best song on that album. I’m more interested in playing the B sides of that album.
Marshall amps will set you free. Using that as the power amp and base of your tone will get you into Pumpkin territory. Modern Marshalls like the JVM and DSL series heads will definitely get it done, since he had always used modded, jumped up versions of the JCM-800 with KT-88 tubes. Now for live tones...
A common misconception is that Corgan used the same Big Muff Pi and JCM-800 live on the Siamese Dream TOUR, which is false. He couldn't get the Muff to sound good live, so he ditched the JCM "SOUL" head and started using a JMP-1 preamp going through a Marshall Monobloc power amp in rackmount form. He had already owned the Mesa-Boogie Strategy 500 power amps during the recording of Siamese Dream, but he wouldn't incorporate the two units into his rack until early 1995. A lot of the effects was an Eventide H3000 Ultra-Harmonizer and possibly something else. He loved the Yamaha REX-50 on the Gish tour as well.
I know this is for the album tones, but I'd like to add context to a live application
I am a Siamese zombie this s*** is cool 50 years later wow I love it.
Another amazing video. I love how you showed each pedal and explained them all, turning them on one by one. After all these years I never knew a compressor had this effect.
Thanks! I'm glad that video format worked. Compressors can be so useful in any scenario where you need long sustain.
Please do Mellon collie lead tone next! This is the best video about the Siamese tone that exists
I will absolutely be covering MCIS as soon as I can collect all the necessary gear 👍
@@EddieClark Marshall JMP-1!
@@chriskareska4017 absolutely. It’s key
Good stuff man, love this albums guitar sound. The Deco is the best pedal ever made!
Thank you! The Deco has been a mainstay on my board since the day I bought it and I don’t see it going anywhere any time soon 👍
This is a video I’ve waited 25+ years for. Just ordered a Buzz Tone. May get the Bloody Finger instead of the Dist 2. Also looking at the Deco.
Would love to see a breakdown of some of their more modern clean wash tones such as Wound. Likely based around the same Selmer as Tonite, Tonite?
The other buzz tone demos I heard on youtube does not sound like this at all. Did you get this sound with it? The ehx satisfaction does not sound like it whatsoever
Ruby! Excellent vid and analysis on his tone
I made a helix preset for the cherub rock solo and it's a lot of the same effects you're using. I use their "retro-reel" and that's pretty much what the strymon is doing here. I have the synth running parallel at one point in the chain with the mix down to keep it sort of subtle. I have their mutron bi-phase model on there as well. I can't remember the exact amp model I'm using, it's either a JCM 800 or JCM 2000, with the drive up and a good amount of mids, and a treble booster into a big muff model. I can't remember if I put any other modulation on it. I might have done a chorus or a very slow flange set very low. I think I also used a wah set on one frequency with mix down to about 40 or 45 just to get some extra pop on the mids.
I find the dist 2 sound not only has a special way of hitting the front of the big mutt but it also on its own really captures for me the sound and low end subtle grit of the machine ii (2) album. Songs like vanity - that warm growling guitar- I get that from my Made by Mike dist ii.
Also the clean to grit transition of a riff like Drown- very easy to find that balance on the dist ii. If you are a pumpkins fan but aren't necessarily looking to cover / tribute their material, the dist ii really made me feel like I was racing on Billy's track - without stepping on his style too much.
Get a made by Mike Uk dream box, so much fun.
This was great! Informative and awesome playing. I’ve added some pedals to the list.
Great tips to either add or tweak.
Do you have a Bury Me cover.
Bury me in gear guitar sounds, slight pun 😅
Interesting- I have the micro synth and don’t use it much because the notes don’t sustain long. I’m definitely going to try it with a compressor now. Thank you for sharing this
Glad to! Thanks for watching 👍
First off, congratulations to Eddie for managing to nail these sounds - incredible work! You have gained a subscriber.
Secondly, does anybody have any experience of trying to use this setup (or similar) in a live context? How was it? Does (or did) your guitar shine through in the mix or does it just get lost in a mush of scooped fuzz? I know BC didn't use the Muff for live applications. In fact, I believe he mainly used rack gear for a long time when performing.
Is the capistan and the strymon deco the same bc billy used that one i dont rembember where i saw that but it was in that stompland video where he shows all his pedals
Great video . Informative! Thank you😎
Awesome, you actually taught me something, I like you
Nice work, especially on the flange - Gonna make a fun lead sound with these tricks on my HX Effects
Just subbed! Thank you. Amazing tones!
I have all of those pedals except they’re the original vintage pedals, I also have the earlier “Script” Phase 100. I even have a V4 and V5 big muff. The output on the V4 comes out much louder than the V5 for some reason, I actually love the V5 sound a little better. Of course I also had to get a JCM800 with KT88 tubes for that super clean tone to play them on.
Awesome video dude! You've nailed those tones👏👏👏 Please can you do a video on Starla. Would be really interesting to explore all those reverse efects in the intro and that mad filtered solo.
Thanks! Appreciated! Starla has been requested a few times now so I guess I really should!
Awesome.
About the phaser though, I'm not sure just any phaser would have the same effect. I've compared a vintage Bad Stone, Mutron Phasor II and MXR Phase 100, and the Phase 100 is definitely the one to go with on Siamese Dream. Especially Mayonaise.
Keeping the rate and color of other phasers can get you in the range but ultimately I agree with you. The Phase 100 is THE phaser for SD.
Thanks for watching!
@@EddieClark Thanks for making the videos. Very inspiring.
Damn that intro is fire!
This video is amazing, great job on researching this
Hey Eddie, i came across your channel watching cover and I have to say you are doing Gods work, I really appreciate the effort you took to learn how all the little pieces fit together and you are the only guy I've found that goes into depth on how these all fit together. I really want to learn more and wanted to see if I could contact you in anyway
Thanks! What parts are you wanting to learn more about?
@@EddieClark How to produce similar tone or feeling in a DAW, or like how the vocals sound.
Could you do a video where you compare the standard humbucker or single coil with the lace sensor guitar for these songs? How much of a difference do the lace sensors make
Thanks for watching. It just so happens that I already did this.
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@@EddieClark awesome I'll check it out 🙏
@@EddieClarkbtw JHS pedals released the legends of fuzz Plugin pedal a few months back, supposedly its an exact copy of the original jordan buzz tone, yet on all the videos I heard it doesnt have the sound you have here, and those guys have really expensive amps and guitars, not only doesn't it sound like this, it has the thinnest and weakest sound out of all the fuzz legends series! some further explanation how to get that tone would be killer, is there a difference between the jordan boss tone and the buzz tone? Are you running a certain preamp or something?
Through the eyes of Ruby please! You are amazing Man
Would love to know how to mod that ehx satisfaction fuzz to make it more like the buzztone
Is the buzz tone meant to simulate the Bloody Finger pedal used by BC?
No. The Buzz Tone is a close circuit to the fuzz that was pulled out of the MSA lap steel guitar. The bloody finger didn’t come around until well after Siamese Dream
Thanks! Great video @@EddieClark
@8:30 Ok....now you've got my attention. That sounded exactly like Rocket!!! Fuck.... Well done sir. Well done. I'm gonna have to look at how to replicate the Micro synth on my Axe Fx.
Wow amazing sounds! Nailed it
Killer playing, man!
You definitely nailed all the little intricacies that make Billy's playing *so* expressive and exciting to listen to.
Also, I love the in-depth research that went into making this, especially as a huge Pumpkins fan.
Do you think I can approximate the tones you got with the Micro-Synth using a Pitch Fork? (the Micro-Synth is a little too expensive for me).
Again, huge kudos for the amazing work you did!
Thank you! Greatly appreciated! The best cheaper alternative to the Microsynth I've found is the EQD Bit Commander. The nice thing about the Bit Commander is you don't need the compressor for the longer sustain. The Pitch Fork will get you 50% of the way there though. Hope that helps!
These are amazing. I’ve been trying to get the Hummer and Cherub Rock solo sound for years, never getting all that close. Totally thought it was because I had no MuTron haha. The Deco is a great addition. Thank you so much for going to the trouble. Subscribed immediately. Think you’ll do a Mellon Collie rhythm / lead tone segment?
It’s amazing how close you’re getting to the lead sounds with the pedal board. I know they did a lot of post production tricks. Any chance of a tutorial on the Soma leads?
TBH - I'm not sure I'm good enough to be giving lessons but I would be willing to try if there's the interest
Yeah, lessons of sort would be great!
I’ve been playing for a long time myself and I’m a pretty decent guitar player but I feel you on that. Breaking it down is a whole other can of worms. That said, your arrangement was really cool and even a slightly slowed down, close in tutorial would be more than I’ve seen.
Im looking at the chain order. It looks like guitar-opamp-comp-synth-buzz-phase-ds2-eventide-strymon-amp… Am I close?
That's exactly it 👍
Best album ever
Thank you for this
My pleasure!
Thanks eddie. You show us how to be, but in an affordable way. Thanks!!!
Amazing video. I would love to see a MCIS gear video.
Excelente explicación!!!! 🌟🎸😐
Muchísimas gracias y felicidades por tu canal ♥️✨👍🏻 está bien chingón.
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Thanks so much for this
dude your tone rocks, also for mellon collie i wanna hear An ode to no one and definitely JellyBelly
Jellybelly has been speaking to me lately.
Have you tried the JHS version of the Boss tone? Have heard good things. GREAT video, thank you for all of your hard work and research
Man, I can't even tell you how many times I've watched this video now. This is the ultimate in guitar tones and your explanations are fantastic. I wish I had gotten the opportunity to meet you when you were in Chiang Mai, but no worries. I'm thankful for this amazing gift of knowledge that you have shared.
I have alternative versions of everything you have now except for the Micro Synth, Deco and Eventide. I was just wondering if you might care to share your settings for the Buzz Tone and Dist +. I can't quite see. No worries if you don't want to go that far. I'm sure I can experiment and figure out my own version.
Hey.. by the way.. are you going to continue this channel? You are one of my favorite dudes to follow for guitar stuff and it looks like you don't post so much anymore. Why is that?? Hope all is well and I hope you get back to making videos!
I’m still planning on continue the channel but a love of travel has dominated my time. Let’s grab coffee in a month. I’ll be back in Chiang Mai mid Oct and I’ll be there for 3 months.
@@EddieClark Dude!! Deal! I would love to chat with you about music and your travels! And yeah, that's a fair enough reason to take a break haha :)
Do you have a platform I can DM you on when the date gets closer?
@@EddieClark - I shared my contact info but it seems to have disappeared. Was that a glitch on my end or did you delete it for privacy reasons? Just wanted to confirm, just in case it was an error with my phone.
It’s a privacy thing. Message me on IG. I think we may have chatted there last year.
Wow, i just discovered your channel.
At this point I must ask you to examine the Plume solos :)
I'll look at it ASAP. Anything for another nak muay.
@@EddieClark ahaaha alrighty ;)
Great video quality.
What camera were you using?
Thank you! I use a Sony A6500 with a Sigma 24mm 1.4f. Voice audio is handled separately with an off screen condenser mic
fantastic job man
Thank you!
Oh and question about saturation tones and pedals. Have you thought about the JHS Color box V2 for the saturation tones? I am now chasing all the pedals that you used!
I have not thought about it in that way but it’s a pedal I want to try anyways!
Fn killer, man.
I hope you can do another one for Pisces Iscariot tones.
Thank you! That's a good idea. I'd be interested in that.
@@EddieClark yeah mate, especially solos in Plume - I've tried 10 different phasers to get that lovely 'swoosh' sound when the notes stop holding, but apparently I'm doing something wrong...
Where would the wah go in the chain? Love the video man 🤘🏼🤘🏼
Thanks! The wha would go at the very start before all other pedals. 👍
What is that behind-the-nut move that you do at 10:15 and how do you do it? Thanks!
I'm pushing on the string to create a pre-bent note on the un-fretted low D (Hummer is in dropped D)
Cheers and thanks for watching!
Amazing videos! I am into the these videos! Great job and I am going to try the same thing. Your ear and knowledge of the pedals is great. Have you thought about doing a series on the other great 90s bands? How to sound like ....... I bet it would be a hit! In the meantime what does the H9 do in the chain? (are you using delay, reverb, pitch?)
You nailed the tones Eddie. Subscribed! How did you discover the Jordan boss tone as one of the ingredients to the corgan sound? All I ever read about since forever are IC big muffs, and occasionally a fender blender, but I’ve never heard of Bly using the Boss tone.
Thanks! I got that info from the original tab books. Billy used a fuzz pulled from an old slide guitar. The Buzztone is that type of circuit. Once I learned that they were the same/similar circuits, I had to give it a try.
Thanks Eddie. I think I also hear the micro synth on the soma guitar solo, it seems to have that octave up thing going on. Could you do a video on how to play the solo?
@@dattoboy1 I can do that 👍
I am 99.9% sure there is no Microsynth on Soma but I will give it another listen 👍
pretty awesome, very interesting
This was awesome! Now I just have to figure out how to get a Mellon collie guitar tone…
Thanks! I've been messing around with a JPTR Effects Katastrophe to get some MCIS type sounds. Any of the Marshall in a box pedals with a clean boost will get you in the ballpark. The pickup type matters more for the MCIS sound compared to SD. A humbucker or red Lace Sensor in the bridge is pretty critical for the MCIS high gain tones.
Also can show us how to make the mod on the electro harmonics satisfaction
curious to get your thoughts on the Line 6 device - saw a video where Billy went into some detail about it - and if I wanted to get some of these sounds out of a cello how I might do that!
Thanks for watching! I haven't tried the new Line 6 yet but I will be ASAP. I would love to hear a cello through any of these effects. That's said, I don't know enough about cello to really say. I bet cello would be amazing for replacing any of the EBow parts on guitar though!
I’m the guy who posted a comment on your Reddit video. About getting closer to the cherub rock solo tone. My buddy and I are starting a little smashing pumpkins jam band in the bay area. Let me know if you end up moving to the bay area because then you’ll be one of the 2 guitars in the band. Hahh. (As you know, to really do SP justice, you need 2 guitars!). 🤘. Actually, when we play live, I’ll just fly you down as a guest guitarist to join us. Ha ha Ha
Pick the right day and I'd probably be into that 🤣
@@EddieClark btw I sent you a chat on your Reddit account, not sure if you’ll get a notification. Anyway, lmk if your down for connecting. I’m obsessed now with getting this full setup so I’ll be striving for the right settings. (So many dials…Hahh)
Where in the chain is your deco? Killer video, subscribed!
I had it at the absolute end of the chain in this video but on my actual board, it's before the Eventide. I don't find it makes a huge difference on a mono board like in this video. However in stereo operation, I prefer the Eventide last because it doesn't mix down the stereo signal coming in to mono before applying it's own stereo effect (as the Deco does).
If you listen to the audio in my "Soma Sound" video, that was recorded with the Eventide last.
Infinite Sadness tone next with only pedals
Question? Which of these pedals would be used for the leads on the song Today?
I'll have to double check when I'm reunited with my gear next month but I suspect it's the buzz tone, distortion ii and wha
@@EddieClark Thankyou
Holy sh!t this is 🔥 🎸
I am dying to know how to get the tone on Quiet for Rhythm guitars.
It's not too hard. The secret is to blending two different Big Muff settings on each side (left and right). Use 2 rhythm guitars per side (4 total). On the first side (left), set the Big Muff tone knob around 1-2 o'clock for one track and 11 o'clock for the other and use position 2 on your guitar (assuming a Strat style guitar). On the other side (right) do the exact same thing but use Strat position 4.
I cover the rest in this video here:
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If you didn't see it, here's my Quiet cover
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On the topic of the ebow, how about stand inside your love, (or effects wise) the rhythm for "by starlight"
Interesting approach, I wonder, if an OP Muff RI into a Behringer Bi-Phase would sound more accurate with way less pedal use. ;)
This is super fun, but one thing I’ve never figured out is the spacey eroding delay effect used in Soma. I didn’t notice it much on the album, but in their live performances (remember the VHS “movie” they released back in the Siamese days?) it really came through on that and SF. Have you ever figured that out?
Thanks for watching. The spacey delay effect is Band Filter Delay preset from the Eventide H3000 Harmonizer. It this video, I show how to approximate it with the Eventide H9
The Soma Delay Sound - Eventide H9
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@@EddieClark - I found that video after I wrote you this…can’t believe it was that easy! I’ve been trying to figure this out for years!!! Nice work! By the way, Billy recently posted a video reviewing the new EH OpAmp Big Muff reissue pedal, and just that and his Marshall was sounding totally Siamese Dream-esque. Might be the easy button moving forward.
You forgot to mention you will need a toy ray gun.
Gaaahhh. This is a critical piece too. I HAVE FAILED!!
New sub, great work here.