This is just dumb. It's not that crucial and it's not the "history of grunge. Tell me which bands you think I "forgot!"" episode. There's no logical reason to do another vid. Oh, so he can name all the bands everyone thinks he "missed" or "forgot"? Yea, no. You know you can always make your own supplementary vid to this one if you think there are bands that need to be included for some reason. 🤷 Just sayin... Obviously Josh talked about the bands he wanted to talk about. If you think there are others that belong in his grunge pedal video, you can always talk about them yourself since you think there's thinhs that still need to be said as it relates to guitar pedals. RUclips has enough room for all of us lol
I needed a good laugh this morning, I didn't realize how bad. The Sonic Youth jam had me rolling on the floor. You guys get it. Thanks for doing this and so much else. 😀 "Who's Tina?" "You wouldn't get it."...lost my mind.
I got a DS-2 last week. The best feeling ever is running it through a British amp and having it on Cobain’s settings. My neighbors really have come to love the sound.
Really glad you mentioned Mudhoney. I know that Superfuzz Bigmuff is hard to find, but you can probably find a copy of Boiled Beef and Rotting Teeth which is also terrific. Would have loved to see some Screaming Trees in there too. And tell Belle that she does a PERFECT Kim Gordon.
Is Superfuzzbigmuff actually hard to find? I stumbled upon a copy at a local shop for 15 bucks, bought it even though I'm not a massive fan because it's iconic
my theory is that Josh frequents record stores and maybe amazon/ebay/reverb and simply didn't know of discogs so basically he pulls from semi regional pool of record stores where maybe that record is somewhat uncommon.
Wow... Belle moved on from being a regular JHS heckler to the new vocalist for JHS band... Now she's gonna nag the audience on many possible issues aside no one knowing Tina.
She nailed the "exactly!" retort that every woman seems to have. As in "you're wrong? You don't know why you're wrong?! Just proves you wrong!" Source : many arguments with a woman.
Standing ovation to the JHS band! 🎉 Sonic Youth, Pearl Jam and Smashing Pumpkins sound was spot on. I could close my eyes and see those bands playing live.
I have to say that I have watched your channel for a few years now, and I am constantly impressed that you folks come up with really good jams! That sounds like a place that I would like to work!!
I feel like it's the first proper JHS Show episode I've seen in the longest time, even if it's technically not. Is it something about the formula? I don't know. Love all.
@@VuotoPneumaNN Ah, another elitist post-hipster gatekeeping guardian of SY.. Someone who has endlessly researched SY on the internet and knows all.. just another sad fanboy
Only been a subscriber for a few weeks but this is hands down my favorite video. Love all the "how is this grunge?!" drama, amazing playing, and great vocals by Belle.
Fun Show. I was in one of the thousands of faceless bands playing the Seattle club-scene from 92-96 … Seattle was our Paris then & We had a blast. Great segment.
After watching this and having lived trough the Grunge era, I have no idea what grunge is anymore. Seems that according to Josh, it seems you have to be from Seattle or in The Smashing Pumpkins. How is Possum Kingdom not Grunge?
I like it when you use a few JHS pedals on the show. Particularly in this context where you've highlighted a genre and demonstrated easy ways to get the tones. Please do more, maybe have some genre specific guest guitarists, make a series out of it. 🤘🏻
Categorizing bands into grunge is indeed tricky considering most of these bands disliked the term. My record time record would be Mad Season - Above. Mike McCready's bluesy Hendrix influenced guitar with Layne Staley's voice is magical.
It’s been a while since I’ve caught an episode and this was the best one to come back to. You guys just may be the most entertaining people on the RUclipss. Thanks for making me laugh while still giving me some useful info.
No Alice In Chains mention? Idk how you don't mention Jerry in a video like this. His tone is legendary in both rock and metal. They were part of the big 4...
@@corkystclair7475 more metal that ""hard rock"", same can be said with Soundgarden, and their more grunge than Smashing Pumpkins, maybe grunge is a terrible word that holds no weight as none of the "big 5" sound any alike
There were lots of little nods across Nirvana records to the late 80's (not grunge) Dinosaur Jr. records like 'You're Livin' All Over Me' ('87) and 'Bug' ('88). In the guitar, the super loud country rock influences, the drums and the slacker aesthetic. As well as the sound of tracks like 'Sludgefest', and 'Tarpit', 'In a Jar' even the song titles put some names to it. And maybe influenced Alice in Chains too. I grew up during grunge other side of the Atlantic. But, I wonder if the superheaviness+experimentalnoise+breathysugarpop vocals of (not grunge) My Bloody Valentine Isn't Anything ('88) and Loveless ('1991) influenced Smashing Pumpkins, especially on Siamese Dream. Switch the vocalist and Cherub Rock could be MBV. Same for MBV 'Sometimes', put Corgan's voice on it and it would sound like peak Smashing Pumpkins.
What a fun episode! I've never liked Hal Leonard's instructional materials, and I'd have been sitting right there with Josh in the dark like a crazy person pounding my fist and railing against the Grunge Bible. Thanks for this! I'm inspired to fill some of the many gaps in my grunge listening history now!
What's cool about this video is that Pearl Jam is maybe my least-favorite grunge band, but the Pearl Jam tone in this video was my favorite of the bunch. Thanks for giving us a really good video, obviously made with a lot of love for these bands.
This was probably one of the best "wasted time ,I'll never get back " RUclips videos I ever see in my life!!! You guys totally Rock!! When are you ever gonna get in the Van and go on tour? We need you ,man ! Get in the Van! Please!
i would like to not only request a grunge part 2 but a video where you guys recreate the sounds of iconic shoegaze bands, shoegaze is making a big comeback and i think a lot of people would really appreciate seeing how to get the tones of bands like my bloody valentine, slowdive and ride. awesome vid, awesome channel and awesome pedals. keep it up!! :)
As an old rocker who was always into outsider stuff I feel I should mention Lou Reed's influence on the whole thing, from Velvet Underground to Metal Machine Music.
Sonic Youth getting their dues in this episode… I should have known JHS would recognize the true progenitors of grunge. One of the best videos on an already amazing channel.
I could listen to Josh talk about music for hours. A lot of these other guitar-oriented RUclipsrs only talk about Led Zeppelin or RHCP (they’re all amazing bands don’t get me wrong), but I love it especially with Josh’s record recommendations where he talks about more underground artists, or about other influential artists who are popular but don’t get mentioned enough (ie Sonic Youth)
Another big influence on Grunge and alternative rock in general was The Fall, a (usually) guitar-driven post-punk band with a long and complicated history that's definitely worth exploring.
@@drdelewded Makes sense. You can hear them in all of the newer post-punk thats been coming out of the UK and Europe. In the states they still seem pretty unknown outside of music nerds who have the taste for that kind of music. They're not the only hugely influential UK band that doesn't get the respect they deserver in the states either.
Such is my love for grunge and this video I’m gonna go out and buy my 1st JHS pedal. Thank you for the entertainment (with the lights out ) all the way to the end.
I came to playing music through grunge too when I was young and jeezus those selections in the so-called “Grunge Bible” are horrid. I’m right there with you, Josh. It’s like the Hal Leonard people just took snapshots of Billboards charts from around the mid-90s and chose the rock songs. And also this episode was a lot of fun, thank you JHS. P.S. I know I’m being a stickler but shouldn’t the Nirvana jam have been called Almost On a Plain?
Being a Seattle musician that was very active in the 80’s, this episode brings back lots of memories. Our band was just before grunge hit big from Seattle. One of our rehearsal studios had the guys that would become Alice In Chains. Matt Cameron, Soundgarden and Pearl Jam drummer auditioned for us and even sat in at a gig when our drummer could not make the gig. One of Eddie Vedder’s house is just a couple of miles down the road. YAY for Seattle Grunge!
@@digiwaves 😂 that’s hilarious! Mine was Pornack. We thought what would be awesome is if Muzak was done in the style porno music instead. Imagine walking in the mall to that! Our music wasn’t anything like that but it sounded funny. I still claim it’s one of the best band names ever lol.
loved the talk about TSP, huge music fan and i love loads of stuff but TSP always is and always will be my favourite, they have so much variety that people overlook, such a unique band that stands out from the "typical" 90's sound
I’ve been practicing blues a lot lately and I’m super into industrial music, but after watching this I realized that I’ve unconsciously been practicing grunge 😂
I totally agree, the Toadies were not a grunge band. However, they are one of the best bands from that time, and Possum Kingdom is a cruelly underappreciated album.
Possum Kingdom is a song. The album is Rubbernecker. Fun fact: I played with Todd in a cover band called Gunga Din for a minute. This is the closest I ever got to success in music. Pathetic.
You forgot to introduce the Smashing Pumpkins guitar. Was it a Reverend? Great episode and wonderful playing. I saw Mudhoney in ATL in like maybe 91? I barely remember the show though.
People seem to get Grunge mixed with Alternative music great Grunge tone is shaggy and hardcore bands like Hole Garbage and Varuca Salt but what about Candle Box and Blur awesome guitar tone with cheap stomp boxes rocks 💀
I really appreciate and admire Josh and JHS's "rising tide lifts all ships" approach to talking about pedals. The passion and respect they have for the gear that paved the way for their own exceptional lineup of pedals is apparent in every video. JHS is one of the more innovative "boutique" companies out there, and yet they're still always happy to sing the praises of the gear that inspired their own pedals. Compare that to a certain...uh...compulsive contemporary - whose owner would tell you he invented overdrive itself if he could, then openly berate you for disagreeing - and the contrast becomes pretty apparent.
This is fantastic. He nails a lot of the tones, and absolutely nails the not grunge songs. Those are the commercial responses to grunge, the bands that made it because of and on the heels of grunge, but were not grunge. Also, JHS pedals are great.
after you played on a plain, the jam sounded like a mix of endless nameless and drain you interlude. endless nameless is a song that kinda just happened just like ur jam. And the fact u had a small clone on hand but decided to use another completely different chorus that sounds absolutely different is something that is gonna make a few people mad but personally I dig the grunge spirit that takes to do that lol.
I wonder if this guy is one of those guys who argue that Silverchair were post-Grunge despite the band forming in 1992 and breaking out into the mainstream in early 94 (at least on Australian radio)...
So basically these grunge guitarists were using the Marshalls their fav 80s hair metal bands were using but abandoned all the newly digital rackmount studio effects and went straight in from guitar. A good combo that never dies. Side note, I believe Dean Deleo was using the rackmount effects on the first STP album. Its got a big sound
Not...analog pedals rule. Guitar into Marshall is great overdrive, BUT fuzz (such as Josh said in the intro) is huge in the wall of big guitar distortion sounds found in many grunge bands!
They were using whatever guitars and pedals they could afford going into the biggest amps they could afford. 'Vintage' and retro being _valuable_ wasn't much of a thing in music culture until about the mid-'90s, and even then - much like expensive cars - high-roller market second-hand $ales were 3-10x less than what they're commanding now. A fuzz pedal in the '90s going for over $500 would be unheard of apart from a superstar's relic along the lines of _"this exact piece is verified as being used by Hendrix or Page while recording song X"_
4:35 The exact point that hundreds of gear nerds found their new internet crush. 🎸🔊🥰 The impact of “Nevermind” can’t be overstated. It was truly a game changer for the entire music industry, and one of the key elements of that album was the amazing production of Butch Vig, and the mix engineer Andy Wallace, who were also the team behind the Pumpkins “Siamese Dream” album.
This isn't the first time I've heard Smashing Pumpkins described as a grunge band, but honestly, I don't get it. They're not from the Pacific Northwest, they don't sound like other bands in the grunge genre, nor did they look like other bands in the grunge genre. To me, Smashing Pumpkins are closer to shoegaze bands like MBV than grunge bands like Nirvana and Soundgarden.
There’s a lot of heterogeneity in the grunge sound, especially if you take into account the sound of all the “official” grunge bands from the late 80s to the late 90s. For example, the power pop punk songs on Nevermind have very little in common with AIC songs on Dirt.
I was a spotty 16-17 bairn in the north east of England in '91-'92 and because of my location I was lucky enough to see a lot of "starting out" bands on their first UK tours in VERY small sweaty venues with no stage. My first was a scruffy band called Pearl Jam when they'd just released a song called "Alive" into the UK charts. They were shortly followed by some other bands called Soundgarden and Alice in Chains. There was a wholesome well dressed southern English band called Blur who filled in between the scruffy American bands. The climax of this part of my student life was a random Thursday in September '92 when I saw some weird bands called Wool, Tool and Rage Against the Machine at the Mayfair in Newcastle Upon Tyne. Thanks for the memories Mr Scott. PS if you ever want to do a really unique series about live music I would suggest looking at The Mayfair and The Riverside in Newcastle Upon Tyne. It kicks London venues arses
I played in a grunge band way back in the 90s. My two main pedals were an Ibanez SoundTank Powerlead PL5 going into a Ibanez TS10 that I used as a boost for lead parts. The combo gave me some great tones. The other pedals Vox Wah, Boss CS2 compressor, Boss CE3 chorus and Boss DD3 delay. All that going into a 65 reissue Twin Reverb.
MCIS, to my recollection, was more like their live sound: driven by a Marshall with a Mesa Boogie. It definitely doesn’t have that huge Muff sound you hear in “Siamese Dream”. That said, I got a Sovtek Big Muff at Manny’s in NYC in the late 90s, because I heard Corgan used a Big Muff. I didn’t realize how different it was, couldn’t dial it in, and it went back in the box for over 15 years. I kinda stopped playing guitar about 10 years ago. Then EHX reissued the Op Amp. The Corgan demo sold me; that got me playing again, and into pedals again. Not long after, I fell down the “Gilmour tone building” rabbit hole, and I’ve been down there ever since.
Grunge didn't come around in 1990 it came around in about 1984 (which was when Soundgarden first formed). It really comes from the sound the Melvins created.
Melvins were definetly a part of this recipe but dont forget proto-grunge bands like Green River and Mudhoney. Mad Season and Screaming Trees were also important bands that brought lyrical and tonal chops to the genre. Overall the final outcome of whatever we want to call "grunge" was because of punk, hardcore, stoner metal, shoegaze, heavy metal, college rock, noise rock. It was a big cocktail of creativity and we should relish on the fact that it was the most amazing rock era ever.
@ghost mall I am making fun of it really. But imagine The Stooges and Neil Young being from Seattle and playing in the 90's they would be deffinitely part of the scene :)
I guess Josh couldn't go back as far as proto-Punk (I'm a huge Stooges/Iggy fan), but I think their lineage is represented by bands like Sonic Youth. Josh should do a "Roots of Grunge" episode and include proto-punk, punk, and the other genres he mentioned.
The sonic youth inspired jam was FANTASTIC, and you guys absolutely nailed the vibe AND tones. nicely done.
Absolutely!
Yep, it gave me the goose bumps !
Belle's vocals really put it over the top.
@@fpsknifer9906 "You don't need to know." Just perfect.
One possible improvement... Drummer should've used miracha in place of high hat.
I am formally requesting Grunge pt. 2 with all the great missing bands. Most importantly Alice In Chains.
Seriously. Far more grunge than Pearl Jam. They don't have that, what's the name "grunge". They are a 70s hard rock band.
Screaming Trees, as well, please. I’m way in for Pt. 2.
I concur. Also TOOL maybe? I’m not sure if they are grunge but they debuted in that era
the aic circlejerk in the comments is too much - acting like a bunch of chads that last got laid in 1998
This is just dumb. It's not that crucial and it's not the "history of grunge. Tell me which bands you think I "forgot!"" episode. There's no logical reason to do another vid. Oh, so he can name all the bands everyone thinks he "missed" or "forgot"? Yea, no. You know you can always make your own supplementary vid to this one if you think there are bands that need to be included for some reason. 🤷 Just sayin...
Obviously Josh talked about the bands he wanted to talk about. If you think there are others that belong in his grunge pedal video, you can always talk about them yourself since you think there's thinhs that still need to be said as it relates to guitar pedals. RUclips has enough room for all of us lol
You should totally break down more genres like psychedelia or shoegaze
Funk, 77punk.
Please do a shoegaze episode!
Slowcore, emo, post-hardcore
I like how the Nirvana jam was called “sort of drain you” even though the beginning riff sounded identical to “on a plain”.
Tbf a lot of Cobain's riffs are pretty similar
Plain You
i think theres a joke here.
🎶one baby to another said, i'm actually on a plain 🎶
@@matthewbrigidi4266🎶I can’t complain 🎶
I needed a good laugh this morning, I didn't realize how bad. The Sonic Youth jam had me rolling on the floor. You guys get it. Thanks for doing this and so much else. 😀 "Who's Tina?" "You wouldn't get it."...lost my mind.
I was CACKLING. That spoken part had Kim written all over it 🤣
I had this on the background at work, and when that came on, and the whole episode I'm pretty sure my coworkers thought I was insane lol
Tinas never heard of you…
We need more of Belles vocals.
And more cowbell!!!
Seriously, that vocals are AMAZiNG
@@josearjona3728 yeah, it wasn't meant as a joke. Love her most recent album Lorelai.
@@waldemardaninsky2428 this.
I concur
It’s so effing grunge that no one here agrees on what grunge is. I love it. Live on kings.
Grunge is not a musical style, that's for sure. And post-grunge is shit.
Best. Episode. Yet.
And yes, more of Belle's vocals, please.
Quite possibly the best episode I have seen.
love the fact that they played on a plain but is "sort of drain you" lmao luv it
I got a DS-2 last week. The best feeling ever is running it through a British amp and having it on Cobain’s settings. My neighbors really have come to love the sound.
So much that they bang on the wall to provide a beat to okay off of? Mine do that too.
Really glad you mentioned Mudhoney. I know that Superfuzz Bigmuff is hard to find, but you can probably find a copy of Boiled Beef and Rotting Teeth which is also terrific. Would have loved to see some Screaming Trees in there too. And tell Belle that she does a PERFECT Kim Gordon.
There are plenty of copies on discogs for like 10-20 bucks, grab 'em while you can
Yeah. I was wondering where the Screaming Trees reference was, as well.
Is Superfuzzbigmuff actually hard to find? I stumbled upon a copy at a local shop for 15 bucks, bought it even though I'm not a massive fan because it's iconic
my theory is that Josh frequents record stores and maybe amazon/ebay/reverb and simply didn't know of discogs so basically he pulls from semi regional pool of record stores where maybe that record is somewhat uncommon.
It’s all on Amazon music. GO
At this point it would be just rude not to form a Sonic Youth tribute band featuring Belle. Make it happen JHS.
Try the band Julie
If I did a tribute band to them I would have to call it "Sonic Boomers." Actually I kind of like that!
they need a band where minimum amount of pedals on at same time is 5 per member
julie
it would be quite rude to form a Sonic Youth tribute band featuring Belle
Wow... Belle moved on from being a regular JHS heckler to the new vocalist for JHS band... Now she's gonna nag the audience on many possible issues aside no one knowing Tina.
Tina is my wife! So I think I can say: I know her - even though she's sometimes a mystery. :-)
She nailed the "exactly!" retort that every woman seems to have. As in "you're wrong? You don't know why you're wrong?! Just proves you wrong!"
Source : many arguments with a woman.
This is my favorite playing from Josh. Grunge is so clearly his thing and he kills it!
This is a 27 minute paid ad for pedals.
This is so good. That Sonic Youth jam was amazing.
This episode was so good I went straight out and bought a grunge.
where did you buy it i want one
I think you can find grunge in Seattle. But you might also find some under your fingernails.
Courtney loved it.
This might be the best episode to date. Belle’s addition to the Sonic Youth spoof was spot on and hilarious. Excellent work by all.
The "Tina" bit was brilliant. Your jams are some inspired gold.
I assumed Kim Gordon had gone to school with Tina Weymouth. There you go.
@@BellsCuriosityShop I was making no assumptions and had no thoughts on background. Standalone, I thought it was brilliant. Cheers.
Standing ovation to the JHS band! 🎉 Sonic Youth, Pearl Jam and Smashing Pumpkins sound was spot on. I could close my eyes and see those bands playing live.
Sonic Youth sound was pretty inaccurate.
I have to say that I have watched your channel for a few years now, and I am constantly impressed that you folks come up with really good jams! That sounds like a place that I would like to work!!
thank you!!!
Love Josh’s sass throughout the whole video paired with in depth music knowledge. Great jams all around.
I feel like it's the first proper JHS Show episode I've seen in the longest time, even if it's technically not. Is it something about the formula? I don't know. Love all.
It's the editing, they've done a lot of streams, I like both but it's nice seeing the OG formula again!
I hope there is TAD in the bible, super underrated band and one of my favourites!
Man, she nailed those Kim Gordon inspired vocals!
It was the only kinda-accurate thing about the SY bit
oh yeah... a line or two about underwear and it would have been indistinguishable
gigantic disagree
@@VuotoPneumaNN Ah, another elitist post-hipster gatekeeping guardian of SY.. Someone who has endlessly researched SY on the internet and knows all.. just another sad fanboy
This was great. Josh and I discovered grunge with the same album, Ten. One thought tho...Totally missed Pixies, that was one of Kurts influences.
Josh needs to write a New Testament of grunge
Belles adlibbing on the first jam was awesome. You lot should do more of that.
This channel has always sorely lacked wah. Thank you Josh and crew, you made my dreams come true!
The vibe in this video is incredible, to say nothing of the jams. Y'all seem so fun
thank you!
Only been a subscriber for a few weeks but this is hands down my favorite video. Love all the "how is this grunge?!" drama, amazing playing, and great vocals by Belle.
Fun Show.
I was in one of the thousands of faceless bands playing the Seattle club-scene from 92-96 …
Seattle was our Paris then & We had a blast.
Great segment.
Congrats on being alive... truly. We lost too many great people then. But yeah, I think grunge is one of Gen X's greatest accomplishments.
@@CarolMatzPiano I’m one of the last singers standing, for sure. ☮️
I'm a little upset I'm not seeing Alice in Chains. I'm not sure they're actually Grunge, but I feel like they're important to Grunge.
If smashing pumpkins made the cut then aic definitely should have made the cut. Very disappointed in this video 😞
Alice in Chains are Grunge. Smashing Pumpkins and Sonic Youth are absolutely not.
Damn right!! They should be in this.
Jerry himself said that they're a metal band (heavy band to be precise).
After watching this and having lived trough the Grunge era, I have no idea what grunge is anymore. Seems that according to Josh, it seems you have to be from Seattle or in The Smashing Pumpkins. How is Possum Kingdom not Grunge?
Man. That Sonic Youth number was a jam. I put a vocal line in between the spoken word. I just felt it. I thought it was pretty good.
I like it when you use a few JHS pedals on the show. Particularly in this context where you've highlighted a genre and demonstrated easy ways to get the tones. Please do more, maybe have some genre specific guest guitarists, make a series out of it. 🤘🏻
No matter how crappy a day, you guys always make me smile. Thank you so much
This episode is EPIC!!! This episode makes officially JHS show the best show on the RUclips ever.
Categorizing bands into grunge is indeed tricky considering most of these bands disliked the term. My record time record would be Mad Season - Above. Mike McCready's bluesy Hendrix influenced guitar with Layne Staley's voice is magical.
That album is underrated
It's like a grungy dark side of the moon. It's amazing from beginning to end.
@ghost mall "and stuff sounding similar to them" lol those four bands sound nothing alike.
Yes more Belle!
Just checked out their albums and they are definitely in my favourites rotation! Thanks Josh and to all the gang!! 🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻
Being a lifelong grunge fan, I would have reacted the same way. It really shows me why grunge was one of a kind.
It’s been a while since I’ve caught an episode and this was the best one to come back to. You guys just may be the most entertaining people on the RUclipss. Thanks for making me laugh while still giving me some useful info.
Great episode!!!!! Josh freaking out about the non grunge bands listed in that book hits so close to home! Love you guys!!
No Alice In Chains mention? Idk how you don't mention Jerry in a video like this. His tone is legendary in both rock and metal. They were part of the big 4...
They're arguably not grunge. Same era, same city, arguably riding the same wave, but more hard rock than grunge.
@@corkystclair7475 more metal that ""hard rock"", same can be said with Soundgarden, and their more grunge than Smashing Pumpkins, maybe grunge is a terrible word that holds no weight as none of the "big 5" sound any alike
@@corkystclair7475 grock
@@brianvillatoro6588 grutal
Jerry got his sound basically exclusively from his amplifier so it would be pretty boring to do AiC lmao
Nick is a great drummer
There were lots of little nods across Nirvana records to the late 80's (not grunge) Dinosaur Jr. records like 'You're Livin' All Over Me' ('87) and 'Bug' ('88). In the guitar, the super loud country rock influences, the drums and the slacker aesthetic. As well as the sound of tracks like 'Sludgefest', and 'Tarpit', 'In a Jar' even the song titles put some names to it. And maybe influenced Alice in Chains too. I grew up during grunge other side of the Atlantic. But, I wonder if the superheaviness+experimentalnoise+breathysugarpop vocals of (not grunge) My Bloody Valentine Isn't Anything ('88) and Loveless ('1991) influenced Smashing Pumpkins, especially on Siamese Dream. Switch the vocalist and Cherub Rock could be MBV. Same for MBV 'Sometimes', put Corgan's voice on it and it would sound like peak Smashing Pumpkins.
What a fun episode! I've never liked Hal Leonard's instructional materials, and I'd have been sitting right there with Josh in the dark like a crazy person pounding my fist and railing against the Grunge Bible. Thanks for this! I'm inspired to fill some of the many gaps in my grunge listening history now!
you guys absolutely killed it Belle's vocals were icing on the grunge cake ! That was fun if not an inspiration for garage bands in Fargo......
What's cool about this video is that Pearl Jam is maybe my least-favorite grunge band, but the Pearl Jam tone in this video was my favorite of the bunch. Thanks for giving us a really good video, obviously made with a lot of love for these bands.
That opening song was phenomenal. You should release it!
This was probably one of the best "wasted time ,I'll never get back " RUclips videos I ever see in my life!!! You guys totally Rock!! When are you ever gonna get in the Van and go on tour? We need you ,man ! Get in the Van! Please!
🎶😬🎶🤯🎶🗯️💥🔥☠️🎵
P.s. your drummer is totally "off the hook" Awesome. If he's looking to spice it up . I'm forming a polka punk band ,and he'd fit the spot. No joken!
i would like to not only request a grunge part 2 but a video where you guys recreate the sounds of iconic shoegaze bands, shoegaze is making a big comeback and i think a lot of people would really appreciate seeing how to get the tones of bands like my bloody valentine, slowdive and ride. awesome vid, awesome channel and awesome pedals. keep it up!! :)
Yes please!!
Check out Catalina Bread’s Soft Focus. Just bought it. Slowdive sound.
I am happy to now have the term, "Tonal Mac 'n Cheese Explosion" to explain what happened to me and music in the early '90's. Thank you, Josh!
As an old rocker who was always into outsider stuff I feel I should mention Lou Reed's influence on the whole thing, from Velvet Underground to Metal Machine Music.
Don't forget the Stooges and MC5.
@@jezmez68 Can't forget Neil Young either.
I just found this show a few weeks ago and have been playing catchup ever since. Love love this show and this has to be the best one yet!!!
Sonic Youth getting their dues in this episode… I should have known JHS would recognize the true progenitors of grunge. One of the best videos on an already amazing channel.
You guys should record a new grunge album using all these pedals and techniques, because the band sounds killer.
I could listen to Josh talk about music for hours. A lot of these other guitar-oriented RUclipsrs only talk about Led Zeppelin or RHCP (they’re all amazing bands don’t get me wrong), but I love it especially with Josh’s record recommendations where he talks about more underground artists, or about other influential artists who are popular but don’t get mentioned enough (ie Sonic Youth)
Could? I have. Slacker.
Another big influence on Grunge and alternative rock in general was The Fall, a (usually) guitar-driven post-punk band with a long and complicated history that's definitely worth exploring.
If you like "The Fall", then I reckon you'd like the "Fontaines DC"...
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It's kinda insane how many people still don't know The Fall
@@joebowles06
Ah, I guess they only had a couple of Albums... NOT❗
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@@joebowles06 Huge in the UK
@@drdelewded Makes sense. You can hear them in all of the newer post-punk thats been coming out of the UK and Europe. In the states they still seem pretty unknown outside of music nerds who have the taste for that kind of music. They're not the only hugely influential UK band that doesn't get the respect they deserver in the states either.
Such is my love for grunge and this video I’m gonna go out and buy my 1st JHS pedal. Thank you for the entertainment (with the lights out ) all the way to the end.
Thanks !!!
Never have I been more excited for a pedal video
I came to playing music through grunge too when I was young and jeezus those selections in the so-called “Grunge Bible” are horrid. I’m right there with you, Josh. It’s like the Hal Leonard people just took snapshots of Billboards charts from around the mid-90s and chose the rock songs. And also this episode was a lot of fun, thank you JHS.
P.S. I know I’m being a stickler but shouldn’t the Nirvana jam have been called Almost On a Plain?
Being a Seattle musician that was very active in the 80’s, this episode brings back lots of memories. Our band was just before grunge hit big from Seattle. One of our rehearsal studios had the guys that would become Alice In Chains. Matt Cameron, Soundgarden and Pearl Jam drummer auditioned for us and even sat in at a gig when our drummer could not make the gig. One of Eddie Vedder’s house is just a couple of miles down the road. YAY for Seattle Grunge!
What was your band’s name?
@@michaelsnydermusic Our band’s name was absolutely the worst name in the history of band names. It was “e”. Just lower case e. How bad is that?
@@digiwaves 😂 that’s hilarious! Mine was Pornack. We thought what would be awesome is if Muzak was done in the style porno music instead. Imagine walking in the mall to that! Our music wasn’t anything like that but it sounded funny. I still claim it’s one of the best band names ever lol.
Belles lyrics are gold!
Great video. What’s even better is that shell pink SG. Love it!
loved the talk about TSP, huge music fan and i love loads of stuff but TSP always is and always will be my favourite, they have so much variety that people overlook, such a unique band that stands out from the "typical" 90's sound
I’ve been practicing blues a lot lately and I’m super into industrial music, but after watching this I realized that I’ve unconsciously been practicing grunge 😂
I totally agree, the Toadies were not a grunge band. However, they are one of the best bands from that time, and Possum Kingdom is a cruelly underappreciated album.
Possum Kingdom is a song. The album is Rubbernecker. Fun fact: I played with Todd in a cover band called Gunga Din for a minute. This is the closest I ever got to success in music. Pathetic.
You forgot to introduce the Smashing Pumpkins guitar. Was it a Reverend? Great episode and wonderful playing. I saw Mudhoney in ATL in like maybe 91? I barely remember the show though.
Yes. Not a BC signature but still a rev.
Reverend Airsonic. Josh has a video introducing it, and the bass they were also gifted
I love the passion behind the "WOAH" in the beginning
I.C. Big muff is right for Siamese Dream and Pisces Iscariot, but Mellon Collie Rhythm tone is a Marshall JMP-1 preamp, primarily.
G.R.U.N.G.E (Guitar Rock Utilizing Nihilist Grunge Energy). Belle’s vocal is top - more please!
Nice
I wonder if Sadgasm is in the bible...
People seem to get Grunge mixed with Alternative music great Grunge tone is shaggy and hardcore bands like Hole Garbage and Varuca Salt but what about Candle Box and Blur awesome guitar tone with cheap stomp boxes rocks 💀
This is the answer^
Yes, a lot of “Post Grunge” bands get lumped into Grunge.
Cheap DOD says Whaaat ? ha J/K
This Grunge Bible makes me want to cry. Someone got paid to make this thing? I will definitely be there in the desert for the burning ceremony.
I really appreciate and admire Josh and JHS's "rising tide lifts all ships" approach to talking about pedals. The passion and respect they have for the gear that paved the way for their own exceptional lineup of pedals is apparent in every video. JHS is one of the more innovative "boutique" companies out there, and yet they're still always happy to sing the praises of the gear that inspired their own pedals. Compare that to a certain...uh...compulsive contemporary - whose owner would tell you he invented overdrive itself if he could, then openly berate you for disagreeing - and the contrast becomes pretty apparent.
josh this one is easily your best upload ever !!!
This is fantastic. He nails a lot of the tones, and absolutely nails the not grunge songs. Those are the commercial responses to grunge, the bands that made it because of and on the heels of grunge, but were not grunge. Also, JHS pedals are great.
after you played on a plain, the jam sounded like a mix of endless nameless and drain you interlude. endless nameless is a song that kinda just happened just like ur jam. And the fact u had a small clone on hand but decided to use another completely different chorus that sounds absolutely different is something that is gonna make a few people mad but personally I dig the grunge spirit that takes to do that lol.
Drumstick on guitar action was really more of a sonic youth thing, but I’ll allow it
My favorite episode. The Sonic Youth jam was fire. Very Veruca Salt on the vocal.
Watching the live show on this. Relax folks. It's going to be ok. Thanks Josh.
I wonder if this guy is one of those guys who argue that Silverchair were post-Grunge despite the band forming in 1992 and breaking out into the mainstream in early 94 (at least on Australian radio)...
I wonder if by that logic most grunge bands are actually hair metal bands cause they formed in the mid 80's and started gaining traction around 88?
@@werewolfmedialv haha good shout - have a watch of very early Alice in Chains - 100% hair metal aesthetic (though not musicality)
So basically these grunge guitarists were using the Marshalls their fav 80s hair metal bands were using but abandoned all the newly digital rackmount studio effects and went straight in from guitar. A good combo that never dies. Side note, I believe Dean Deleo was using the rackmount effects on the first STP album. Its got a big sound
Not...analog pedals rule. Guitar into Marshall is great overdrive, BUT fuzz (such as Josh said in the intro) is huge in the wall of big guitar distortion sounds found in many grunge bands!
They were using whatever guitars and pedals they could afford going into the biggest amps they could afford.
'Vintage' and retro being _valuable_ wasn't much of a thing in music culture until about the mid-'90s, and even then - much like expensive cars - high-roller market second-hand $ales were 3-10x less than what they're commanding now.
A fuzz pedal in the '90s going for over $500 would be unheard of apart from a superstar's relic along the lines of _"this exact piece is verified as being used by Hendrix or Page while recording song X"_
@@shaft9000 agreed. It’s whatever they could get their hands on from their local shop. Was no eBay or reverb in 1991
I could watch a whole video of Josh telling us which bands aren't grunge. Not which ones are, just which ones aren't.
Corduroy is arguably PJ's finest song.. Kudos to you Josh!!!!
Great episode, really fun! And it had some of the best jams you've had so far!
4:35 The exact point that hundreds of gear nerds found their new internet crush. 🎸🔊🥰 The impact of “Nevermind” can’t be overstated. It was truly a game changer for the entire music industry, and one of the key elements of that album was the amazing production of Butch Vig, and the mix engineer Andy Wallace, who were also the team behind the Pumpkins “Siamese Dream” album.
The forgotten king of grunge is TAD 🧐
YES! "But we didn't have time to mention TAD" WELL THEN MAKE A LONGER VIDEO.
Also a tip of the hat to L7, Bikini Kill and the rest of the Riot Grrrl bands.
@@PedalChainsAddictionaww yeah check Die Spitz bringing it back
It will be the most controversial and emotional JHS episode- ready for the comments . Is Grunge Metal ?
Grunge is metal but metal is not grunge.
Grunge took elements from Metal and did it's own thing, everyone has the right to their own musical tastes and inspirations without getting shit...
TAD sure is
Ask to the melvins...
I feel Grunge is closer to punk than metal.
The rhythm part of ‘Black Days’ was recorded on some kind of Filter’Tron-equipped semi-hollow guitar into-I believe -AC30.
Wow, great episode! I like this episodic theme.
I think we all need to accept that it’s now the Belle Show. She’s just perfect.
This isn't the first time I've heard Smashing Pumpkins described as a grunge band, but honestly, I don't get it. They're not from the Pacific Northwest, they don't sound like other bands in the grunge genre, nor did they look like other bands in the grunge genre. To me, Smashing Pumpkins are closer to shoegaze bands like MBV than grunge bands like Nirvana and Soundgarden.
There’s a lot of heterogeneity in the grunge sound, especially if you take into account the sound of all the “official” grunge bands from the late 80s to the late 90s. For example, the power pop punk songs on Nevermind have very little in common with AIC songs on Dirt.
I was a spotty 16-17 bairn in the north east of England in '91-'92 and because of my location I was lucky enough to see a lot of "starting out" bands on their first UK tours in VERY small sweaty venues with no stage. My first was a scruffy band called Pearl Jam when they'd just released a song called "Alive" into the UK charts. They were shortly followed by some other bands called Soundgarden and Alice in Chains. There was a wholesome well dressed southern English band called Blur who filled in between the scruffy American bands. The climax of this part of my student life was a random Thursday in September '92 when I saw some weird bands called Wool, Tool and Rage Against the Machine at the Mayfair in Newcastle Upon Tyne. Thanks for the memories Mr Scott.
PS if you ever want to do a really unique series about live music I would suggest looking at The Mayfair and The Riverside in Newcastle Upon Tyne. It kicks London venues arses
I played in a grunge band way back in the 90s. My two main pedals were an Ibanez SoundTank Powerlead PL5 going into a Ibanez TS10 that I used as a boost for lead parts. The combo gave me some great tones.
The other pedals Vox Wah, Boss CS2 compressor, Boss CE3 chorus and Boss DD3 delay. All that going into a 65 reissue Twin Reverb.
Such a good episode! Both as a grunge and a JHS fan, I enjoyed it very much! The humor and knowledge were on point 😂
Kurt didn't play Strats. They handed him Strats to play in videos... but his most used Guitars were left handed Jaguars, and occasionally Mustangs.
The ‘vandalism’ strat is one of the guitars I have seen him play the most in live shows other than his signature Jaguar. So not entirely accurate.
I really hope they don't trivialize Billy Corgan down to an Op-Amp Big Muff especially considering the thumbnail shows MCIS.
Oh well. . .
MCIS, to my recollection, was more like their live sound: driven by a Marshall with a Mesa Boogie. It definitely doesn’t have that huge Muff sound you hear in “Siamese Dream”.
That said, I got a Sovtek Big Muff at Manny’s in NYC in the late 90s, because I heard Corgan used a Big Muff. I didn’t realize how different it was, couldn’t dial it in, and it went back in the box for over 15 years. I kinda stopped playing guitar about 10 years ago. Then EHX reissued the Op Amp. The Corgan demo sold me; that got me playing again, and into pedals again. Not long after, I fell down the “Gilmour tone building” rabbit hole, and I’ve been down there ever since.
Grunge didn't come around in 1990 it came around in about 1984 (which was when Soundgarden first formed). It really comes from the sound the Melvins created.
True.
Melvins were definetly a part of this recipe but dont forget proto-grunge bands like Green River and Mudhoney. Mad Season and Screaming Trees were also important bands that brought lyrical and tonal chops to the genre. Overall the final outcome of whatever we want to call "grunge" was because of punk, hardcore, stoner metal, shoegaze, heavy metal, college rock, noise rock. It was a big cocktail of creativity and we should relish on the fact that it was the most amazing rock era ever.
Funniest channel out there. Josh, your views on what is and what is not grunge is on point!
*Stands and Applauds* that's one of the greatest things you lot have ever done! Bravo!!
Neil Young is grunge. Not to mention The Stooges who were grunge before the grunge was even called the grunge.
Does this make Pearl Jam Grunge-adjacent? 😁
I would class them both as protogrunge
@ghost mall I am making fun of it really. But imagine The Stooges and Neil Young being from Seattle and playing in the 90's they would be deffinitely part of the scene :)
I guess Josh couldn't go back as far as proto-Punk (I'm a huge Stooges/Iggy fan), but I think their lineage is represented by bands like Sonic Youth. Josh should do a "Roots of Grunge" episode and include proto-punk, punk, and the other genres he mentioned.
Iggy Pop is the godfather of punk, hence proto punk. Punk rock did have a huge influence on grunge though