Really glad you mentioned Mudhoney. I know that Superfuzz Bigmuff is hard to find, but you can probably find a copy of Boiled Beef and Rotting Teeth which is also terrific. Would have loved to see some Screaming Trees in there too. And tell Belle that she does a PERFECT Kim Gordon.
Is Superfuzzbigmuff actually hard to find? I stumbled upon a copy at a local shop for 15 bucks, bought it even though I'm not a massive fan because it's iconic
my theory is that Josh frequents record stores and maybe amazon/ebay/reverb and simply didn't know of discogs so basically he pulls from semi regional pool of record stores where maybe that record is somewhat uncommon.
I got a DS-2 last week. The best feeling ever is running it through a British amp and having it on Cobain’s settings. My neighbors really have come to love the sound.
I feel like it's the first proper JHS Show episode I've seen in the longest time, even if it's technically not. Is it something about the formula? I don't know. Love all.
Standing ovation to the JHS band! 🎉 Sonic Youth, Pearl Jam and Smashing Pumpkins sound was spot on. I could close my eyes and see those bands playing live.
@@VuotoPneumaNN Ah, another elitist post-hipster gatekeeping guardian of SY.. Someone who has endlessly researched SY on the internet and knows all.. just another sad fanboy
I have to say that I have watched your channel for a few years now, and I am constantly impressed that you folks come up with really good jams! That sounds like a place that I would like to work!!
I like it when you use a few JHS pedals on the show. Particularly in this context where you've highlighted a genre and demonstrated easy ways to get the tones. Please do more, maybe have some genre specific guest guitarists, make a series out of it. 🤘🏻
No Alice In Chains mention? Idk how you don't mention Jerry in a video like this. His tone is legendary in both rock and metal. They were part of the big 4...
@@corkystclair7475 more metal that ""hard rock"", same can be said with Soundgarden, and their more grunge than Smashing Pumpkins, maybe grunge is a terrible word that holds no weight as none of the "big 5" sound any alike
So basically these grunge guitarists were using the Marshalls their fav 80s hair metal bands were using but abandoned all the newly digital rackmount studio effects and went straight in from guitar. A good combo that never dies. Side note, I believe Dean Deleo was using the rackmount effects on the first STP album. Its got a big sound
Not...analog pedals rule. Guitar into Marshall is great overdrive, BUT fuzz (such as Josh said in the intro) is huge in the wall of big guitar distortion sounds found in many grunge bands!
They were using whatever guitars and pedals they could afford going into the biggest amps they could afford. 'Vintage' and retro being _valuable_ wasn't much of a thing in music culture until about the mid-'90s, and even then - much like expensive cars - high-roller market second-hand $ales were 3-10x less than what they're commanding now. A fuzz pedal in the '90s going for over $500 would be unheard of apart from a superstar's relic along the lines of _"this exact piece is verified as being used by Hendrix or Page while recording song X"_
Categorizing bands into grunge is indeed tricky considering most of these bands disliked the term. My record time record would be Mad Season - Above. Mike McCready's bluesy Hendrix influenced guitar with Layne Staley's voice is magical.
What a fun episode! I've never liked Hal Leonard's instructional materials, and I'd have been sitting right there with Josh in the dark like a crazy person pounding my fist and railing against the Grunge Bible. Thanks for this! I'm inspired to fill some of the many gaps in my grunge listening history now!
i would like to not only request a grunge part 2 but a video where you guys recreate the sounds of iconic shoegaze bands, shoegaze is making a big comeback and i think a lot of people would really appreciate seeing how to get the tones of bands like my bloody valentine, slowdive and ride. awesome vid, awesome channel and awesome pedals. keep it up!! :)
I could listen to Josh talk about music for hours. A lot of these other guitar-oriented RUclipsrs only talk about Led Zeppelin or RHCP (they’re all amazing bands don’t get me wrong), but I love it especially with Josh’s record recommendations where he talks about more underground artists, or about other influential artists who are popular but don’t get mentioned enough (ie Sonic Youth)
I came to playing music through grunge too when I was young and jeezus those selections in the so-called “Grunge Bible” are horrid. I’m right there with you, Josh. It’s like the Hal Leonard people just took snapshots of Billboards charts from around the mid-90s and chose the rock songs. And also this episode was a lot of fun, thank you JHS. P.S. I know I’m being a stickler but shouldn’t the Nirvana jam have been called Almost On a Plain?
Such is my love for grunge and this video I’m gonna go out and buy my 1st JHS pedal. Thank you for the entertainment (with the lights out ) all the way to the end.
I really appreciate and admire Josh and JHS's "rising tide lifts all ships" approach to talking about pedals. The passion and respect they have for the gear that paved the way for their own exceptional lineup of pedals is apparent in every video. JHS is one of the more innovative "boutique" companies out there, and yet they're still always happy to sing the praises of the gear that inspired their own pedals. Compare that to a certain...uh...compulsive contemporary - whose owner would tell you he invented overdrive itself if he could, then openly berate you for disagreeing - and the contrast becomes pretty apparent.
As an old rocker who was always into outsider stuff I feel I should mention Lou Reed's influence on the whole thing, from Velvet Underground to Metal Machine Music.
This isn't the first time I've heard Smashing Pumpkins described as a grunge band, but honestly, I don't get it. They're not from the Pacific Northwest, they don't sound like other bands in the grunge genre, nor did they look like other bands in the grunge genre. To me, Smashing Pumpkins are closer to shoegaze bands like MBV than grunge bands like Nirvana and Soundgarden.
There’s a lot of heterogeneity in the grunge sound, especially if you take into account the sound of all the “official” grunge bands from the late 80s to the late 90s. For example, the power pop punk songs on Nevermind have very little in common with AIC songs on Dirt.
What a sh!t book. I grew up in my early 20's listening/loving all these bands. Beautiful homage to all of them, but as stated many times in the comments, the Sonic Youth riff was fantastic - Washing Machine will always be my iconic SY album (Diamond Sea, specifically). Also, if I heard a cover band playing your version of the version of Zero, I wouldn't hate it. Great vid.
Being a Seattle musician that was very active in the 80’s, this episode brings back lots of memories. Our band was just before grunge hit big from Seattle. One of our rehearsal studios had the guys that would become Alice In Chains. Matt Cameron, Soundgarden and Pearl Jam drummer auditioned for us and even sat in at a gig when our drummer could not make the gig. One of Eddie Vedder’s house is just a couple of miles down the road. YAY for Seattle Grunge!
@@digiwaves 😂 that’s hilarious! Mine was Pornack. We thought what would be awesome is if Muzak was done in the style porno music instead. Imagine walking in the mall to that! Our music wasn’t anything like that but it sounded funny. I still claim it’s one of the best band names ever lol.
Just a few days ago, I got a remark back to a comment I’d made on a YT video about J.Mascus. It came from a very passionate music fan, and he thanked me profusely for putting the word “grunge,” in quotation marks. His position is he hates the word….it doesn’t exist…and all bands originally labeled as “grunge” are truly PUNK bands. Made me feel good and soooo glad I had;’t referred to anyone as “new wave”. I think that young man’s head would have exploded.
You get a like, thumbs up, and a subscribe (was already subscribed but you get the point) and a share....... just because you did an episode on GRUNGE - Thank you - Sincerely the 90's generation!
Another big influence on Grunge and alternative rock in general was The Fall, a (usually) guitar-driven post-punk band with a long and complicated history that's definitely worth exploring.
@@drdelewded Makes sense. You can hear them in all of the newer post-punk thats been coming out of the UK and Europe. In the states they still seem pretty unknown outside of music nerds who have the taste for that kind of music. They're not the only hugely influential UK band that doesn't get the respect they deserver in the states either.
I played in a grunge band way back in the 90s. My two main pedals were an Ibanez SoundTank Powerlead PL5 going into a Ibanez TS10 that I used as a boost for lead parts. The combo gave me some great tones. The other pedals Vox Wah, Boss CS2 compressor, Boss CE3 chorus and Boss DD3 delay. All that going into a 65 reissue Twin Reverb.
I totally agree, the Toadies were not a grunge band. However, they are one of the best bands from that time, and Possum Kingdom is a cruelly underappreciated album.
Possum Kingdom is a song. The album is Rubbernecker. Fun fact: I played with Todd in a cover band called Gunga Din for a minute. This is the closest I ever got to success in music. Pathetic.
This is fantastic. He nails a lot of the tones, and absolutely nails the not grunge songs. Those are the commercial responses to grunge, the bands that made it because of and on the heels of grunge, but were not grunge. Also, JHS pedals are great.
4:35 The exact point that hundreds of gear nerds found their new internet crush. 🎸🔊🥰 The impact of “Nevermind” can’t be overstated. It was truly a game changer for the entire music industry, and one of the key elements of that album was the amazing production of Butch Vig, and the mix engineer Andy Wallace, who were also the team behind the Pumpkins “Siamese Dream” album.
Weird only just yesterday I discovered Sonic Youth for the first time in my long long life, no idea how I missed them all these years, I can hear them running through literally every band I love 😬😬😎🤍
One of the cool things about the Grunge scene was that you no longer *had* to have expensive, high tech guitars and a bunch of rack mounted crap to be considered a viable rock musician. The guitars used by the grungers weren't the "cool" ones that the hair metal players used in the late 80s. Kurt Cobain played Mosrites, old Strats, and a Univox Mosrite copy during the early days. His "pedalboard" also consisted of a Distortion DS-1 and a chorus for much of the Nevermind period. He only went to rack mounted power amps out of necessity, because of touring. Grunge really opened things up. All of a sudden more influences and types of guitars and basses were acceptable. It was a remarkable time for rock music.
I wonder if this guy is one of those guys who argue that Silverchair were post-Grunge despite the band forming in 1992 and breaking out into the mainstream in early 94 (at least on Australian radio)...
I would've really liked to hear your take on AIC over Smashing Pumpkins. Jerry's tone and lead writing style on Dirt was the center of grunge in my life as a guitarist in the early 90's. Soundgarden and Pearl Jam influence was definitely there too, but what really stuck with me to this day was AIC. I would've liked to see what you came up with to emulate Jerry's sound. Maybe in another video?
Good to see you talk about Sonic Youth. Day Dream Nation was the epochal record of its time. Husker Du are certainly worth a mention, especially since Krist Novoselic paid great credit to them for the sound of Nirvana.
Many artists fit into multiple genres. Just because Smashing pumpkins has an alt rock discography doesn’t mean they don’t have some songs that are definitely grunge. Chill out everyone.
If you want to retroactively place them in the category for your own purposes, that's cool. But at the time they were not considered grunge at all. Grunge was the sound of the Seattle scene and like 20 bands from that area. Nothing they (the pumpkins) ever put out sounded like grunge or was considered grunge. Seems like nowadays any rock band from the 90's with distortion gets lumped into a genre that was actually pretty tiny and short-lived by folks who weren't there. Imma go back to shaking my fist at clouds now.
If you're requesting that people chill about a definition of a genre that defined a generation, you will never understand GRUNGE. I WILL DIE ON THIS HILL.
It's your right to be wrong! This is the era I grew up in and the music I loved. As a music nerd it's my job to keep the correct definitions of things historically accurate. Now where'd I put the ibuprofen??
@@werewolfmedialv Interesting that you would assume I didn't grow up in this era also! I agree with your definitely but thanks for trying to browbeat me.
Maybe it should be called Seattle grunge, because many bands had the “grunge sound / formula” in the mid nineties, and some of them weren’t even from the US.
This video made me happy. I was born around the same time as Josh and grunge is what got me into guitar. I enjoyed all the parts. I agree with other commenters to do pt 2 with AiC.
That grunge bible was highly suspect. I've been thinking about updating my pedal board and this has been hugely inspirational. Thank you for the excellent vid!
The "Super fuzz mm... super fuzz mbmm..." **Josh visibly gives up on everything** moment is the hardest I've ever laughed at anything in my whole life. Mostly because I feel like that all the time. Love you, Josh!
I think the person that wrote this book focused on the commercial aspects that came out of grunge at the tail end of the era of grunge. The commercialization. Josh, you nailed it by book ending this with Sonic Youth and Mud Honey, Grunge coming out of Noise Rock and Punk Rock/Post Punk. … Maybe Josh needs to write a book about Grunge 🤔
This was probably one of the best "wasted time ,I'll never get back " RUclips videos I ever see in my life!!! You guys totally Rock!! When are you ever gonna get in the Van and go on tour? We need you ,man ! Get in the Van! Please!
We need more of Belles vocals.
And more cowbell!!!
Seriously, that vocals are AMAZiNG
@@josearjona3728 yeah, it wasn't meant as a joke. Love her most recent album Lorelai.
@@waldemardaninsky2428 this.
I concur
I like how the Nirvana jam was called “sort of drain you” even though the beginning riff sounded identical to “on a plain”.
Tbf a lot of Cobain's riffs are pretty similar
Plain You
i think theres a joke here.
🎶one baby to another said, i'm actually on a plain 🎶
@@matthewbrigidi4266🎶I can’t complain 🎶
The sonic youth inspired jam was FANTASTIC, and you guys absolutely nailed the vibe AND tones. nicely done.
Absolutely!
Yep, it gave me the goose bumps !
Belle's vocals really put it over the top.
@@fpsknifer9906 "You don't need to know." Just perfect.
One possible improvement... Drummer should've used miracha in place of high hat.
You should totally break down more genres like psychedelia or shoegaze
Funk, 77punk.
Please do a shoegaze episode!
Slowcore, emo, post-hardcore
At this point it would be just rude not to form a Sonic Youth tribute band featuring Belle. Make it happen JHS.
Try the band Julie
If I did a tribute band to them I would have to call it "Sonic Boomers." Actually I kind of like that!
they need a band where minimum amount of pedals on at same time is 5 per member
julie
it would be quite rude to form a Sonic Youth tribute band featuring Belle
love the fact that they played on a plain but is "sort of drain you" lmao luv it
This is my favorite playing from Josh. Grunge is so clearly his thing and he kills it!
This is a 27 minute paid ad for pedals.
Really glad you mentioned Mudhoney. I know that Superfuzz Bigmuff is hard to find, but you can probably find a copy of Boiled Beef and Rotting Teeth which is also terrific. Would have loved to see some Screaming Trees in there too. And tell Belle that she does a PERFECT Kim Gordon.
There are plenty of copies on discogs for like 10-20 bucks, grab 'em while you can
Yeah. I was wondering where the Screaming Trees reference was, as well.
Is Superfuzzbigmuff actually hard to find? I stumbled upon a copy at a local shop for 15 bucks, bought it even though I'm not a massive fan because it's iconic
my theory is that Josh frequents record stores and maybe amazon/ebay/reverb and simply didn't know of discogs so basically he pulls from semi regional pool of record stores where maybe that record is somewhat uncommon.
It’s all on Amazon music. GO
Best. Episode. Yet.
And yes, more of Belle's vocals, please.
Quite possibly the best episode I have seen.
I got a DS-2 last week. The best feeling ever is running it through a British amp and having it on Cobain’s settings. My neighbors really have come to love the sound.
I feel like it's the first proper JHS Show episode I've seen in the longest time, even if it's technically not. Is it something about the formula? I don't know. Love all.
It's the editing, they've done a lot of streams, I like both but it's nice seeing the OG formula again!
This is so good. That Sonic Youth jam was amazing.
Standing ovation to the JHS band! 🎉 Sonic Youth, Pearl Jam and Smashing Pumpkins sound was spot on. I could close my eyes and see those bands playing live.
Sonic Youth sound was pretty inaccurate.
Man, she nailed those Kim Gordon inspired vocals!
It was the only kinda-accurate thing about the SY bit
oh yeah... a line or two about underwear and it would have been indistinguishable
gigantic disagree
@@VuotoPneumaNN Ah, another elitist post-hipster gatekeeping guardian of SY.. Someone who has endlessly researched SY on the internet and knows all.. just another sad fanboy
Love Josh’s sass throughout the whole video paired with in depth music knowledge. Great jams all around.
I have to say that I have watched your channel for a few years now, and I am constantly impressed that you folks come up with really good jams! That sounds like a place that I would like to work!!
thank you!!!
The "Tina" bit was brilliant. Your jams are some inspired gold.
I assumed Kim Gordon had gone to school with Tina Weymouth. There you go.
@@BellsCuriosityShop I was making no assumptions and had no thoughts on background. Standalone, I thought it was brilliant. Cheers.
I like it when you use a few JHS pedals on the show. Particularly in this context where you've highlighted a genre and demonstrated easy ways to get the tones. Please do more, maybe have some genre specific guest guitarists, make a series out of it. 🤘🏻
Josh needs to write a New Testament of grunge
No Alice In Chains mention? Idk how you don't mention Jerry in a video like this. His tone is legendary in both rock and metal. They were part of the big 4...
They're arguably not grunge. Same era, same city, arguably riding the same wave, but more hard rock than grunge.
@@corkystclair7475 more metal that ""hard rock"", same can be said with Soundgarden, and their more grunge than Smashing Pumpkins, maybe grunge is a terrible word that holds no weight as none of the "big 5" sound any alike
@@corkystclair7475 grock
@@brianvillatoro6588 grutal
Jerry got his sound basically exclusively from his amplifier so it would be pretty boring to do AiC lmao
I hope there is TAD in the bible, super underrated band and one of my favourites!
The vibe in this video is incredible, to say nothing of the jams. Y'all seem so fun
thank you!
Man. That Sonic Youth number was a jam. I put a vocal line in between the spoken word. I just felt it. I thought it was pretty good.
Yes more Belle!
Just checked out their albums and they are definitely in my favourites rotation! Thanks Josh and to all the gang!! 🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻
This channel has always sorely lacked wah. Thank you Josh and crew, you made my dreams come true!
This was great. Josh and I discovered grunge with the same album, Ten. One thought tho...Totally missed Pixies, that was one of Kurts influences.
This episode is EPIC!!! This episode makes officially JHS show the best show on the RUclips ever.
No matter how crappy a day, you guys always make me smile. Thank you so much
So basically these grunge guitarists were using the Marshalls their fav 80s hair metal bands were using but abandoned all the newly digital rackmount studio effects and went straight in from guitar. A good combo that never dies. Side note, I believe Dean Deleo was using the rackmount effects on the first STP album. Its got a big sound
Not...analog pedals rule. Guitar into Marshall is great overdrive, BUT fuzz (such as Josh said in the intro) is huge in the wall of big guitar distortion sounds found in many grunge bands!
They were using whatever guitars and pedals they could afford going into the biggest amps they could afford.
'Vintage' and retro being _valuable_ wasn't much of a thing in music culture until about the mid-'90s, and even then - much like expensive cars - high-roller market second-hand $ales were 3-10x less than what they're commanding now.
A fuzz pedal in the '90s going for over $500 would be unheard of apart from a superstar's relic along the lines of _"this exact piece is verified as being used by Hendrix or Page while recording song X"_
@@shaft9000 agreed. It’s whatever they could get their hands on from their local shop. Was no eBay or reverb in 1991
Categorizing bands into grunge is indeed tricky considering most of these bands disliked the term. My record time record would be Mad Season - Above. Mike McCready's bluesy Hendrix influenced guitar with Layne Staley's voice is magical.
That album is underrated
It's like a grungy dark side of the moon. It's amazing from beginning to end.
@ghost mall "and stuff sounding similar to them" lol those four bands sound nothing alike.
What a fun episode! I've never liked Hal Leonard's instructional materials, and I'd have been sitting right there with Josh in the dark like a crazy person pounding my fist and railing against the Grunge Bible. Thanks for this! I'm inspired to fill some of the many gaps in my grunge listening history now!
Nick is a great drummer
i would like to not only request a grunge part 2 but a video where you guys recreate the sounds of iconic shoegaze bands, shoegaze is making a big comeback and i think a lot of people would really appreciate seeing how to get the tones of bands like my bloody valentine, slowdive and ride. awesome vid, awesome channel and awesome pedals. keep it up!! :)
Yes please!!
Check out Catalina Bread’s Soft Focus. Just bought it. Slowdive sound.
I just found this show a few weeks ago and have been playing catchup ever since. Love love this show and this has to be the best one yet!!!
I could listen to Josh talk about music for hours. A lot of these other guitar-oriented RUclipsrs only talk about Led Zeppelin or RHCP (they’re all amazing bands don’t get me wrong), but I love it especially with Josh’s record recommendations where he talks about more underground artists, or about other influential artists who are popular but don’t get mentioned enough (ie Sonic Youth)
Could? I have. Slacker.
I came to playing music through grunge too when I was young and jeezus those selections in the so-called “Grunge Bible” are horrid. I’m right there with you, Josh. It’s like the Hal Leonard people just took snapshots of Billboards charts from around the mid-90s and chose the rock songs. And also this episode was a lot of fun, thank you JHS.
P.S. I know I’m being a stickler but shouldn’t the Nirvana jam have been called Almost On a Plain?
I am happy to now have the term, "Tonal Mac 'n Cheese Explosion" to explain what happened to me and music in the early '90's. Thank you, Josh!
My favorite episode. The Sonic Youth jam was fire. Very Veruca Salt on the vocal.
You guys should record a new grunge album using all these pedals and techniques, because the band sounds killer.
That opening song was phenomenal. You should release it!
Such is my love for grunge and this video I’m gonna go out and buy my 1st JHS pedal. Thank you for the entertainment (with the lights out ) all the way to the end.
Thanks !!!
you guys absolutely killed it Belle's vocals were icing on the grunge cake ! That was fun if not an inspiration for garage bands in Fargo......
I really appreciate and admire Josh and JHS's "rising tide lifts all ships" approach to talking about pedals. The passion and respect they have for the gear that paved the way for their own exceptional lineup of pedals is apparent in every video. JHS is one of the more innovative "boutique" companies out there, and yet they're still always happy to sing the praises of the gear that inspired their own pedals. Compare that to a certain...uh...compulsive contemporary - whose owner would tell you he invented overdrive itself if he could, then openly berate you for disagreeing - and the contrast becomes pretty apparent.
As an old rocker who was always into outsider stuff I feel I should mention Lou Reed's influence on the whole thing, from Velvet Underground to Metal Machine Music.
Don't forget the Stooges and MC5.
@@jezmez68 Can't forget Neil Young either.
Watching the live show on this. Relax folks. It's going to be ok. Thanks Josh.
This isn't the first time I've heard Smashing Pumpkins described as a grunge band, but honestly, I don't get it. They're not from the Pacific Northwest, they don't sound like other bands in the grunge genre, nor did they look like other bands in the grunge genre. To me, Smashing Pumpkins are closer to shoegaze bands like MBV than grunge bands like Nirvana and Soundgarden.
There’s a lot of heterogeneity in the grunge sound, especially if you take into account the sound of all the “official” grunge bands from the late 80s to the late 90s. For example, the power pop punk songs on Nevermind have very little in common with AIC songs on Dirt.
What a sh!t book.
I grew up in my early 20's listening/loving all these bands. Beautiful homage to all of them, but as stated many times in the comments, the Sonic Youth riff was fantastic - Washing Machine will always be my iconic SY album (Diamond Sea, specifically). Also, if I heard a cover band playing your version of the version of Zero, I wouldn't hate it. Great vid.
Being a Seattle musician that was very active in the 80’s, this episode brings back lots of memories. Our band was just before grunge hit big from Seattle. One of our rehearsal studios had the guys that would become Alice In Chains. Matt Cameron, Soundgarden and Pearl Jam drummer auditioned for us and even sat in at a gig when our drummer could not make the gig. One of Eddie Vedder’s house is just a couple of miles down the road. YAY for Seattle Grunge!
What was your band’s name?
@@michaelsnydermusic Our band’s name was absolutely the worst name in the history of band names. It was “e”. Just lower case e. How bad is that?
@@digiwaves 😂 that’s hilarious! Mine was Pornack. We thought what would be awesome is if Muzak was done in the style porno music instead. Imagine walking in the mall to that! Our music wasn’t anything like that but it sounded funny. I still claim it’s one of the best band names ever lol.
Such a good episode! Both as a grunge and a JHS fan, I enjoyed it very much! The humor and knowledge were on point 😂
This Grunge Bible makes me want to cry. Someone got paid to make this thing? I will definitely be there in the desert for the burning ceremony.
Just a few days ago, I got a remark back to a comment I’d made on a YT video about J.Mascus. It came from a very passionate music fan, and he thanked me profusely for putting the word “grunge,” in quotation marks.
His position is he hates the word….it doesn’t exist…and all bands originally labeled as “grunge” are truly PUNK bands. Made me feel good and soooo glad I had;’t referred to anyone as “new wave”. I think that young man’s head would have exploded.
Drumstick on guitar action was really more of a sonic youth thing, but I’ll allow it
You get a like, thumbs up, and a subscribe (was already subscribed but you get the point) and a share....... just because you did an episode on GRUNGE - Thank you - Sincerely the 90's generation!
Belles lyrics are gold!
Another big influence on Grunge and alternative rock in general was The Fall, a (usually) guitar-driven post-punk band with a long and complicated history that's definitely worth exploring.
If you like "The Fall", then I reckon you'd like the "Fontaines DC"...
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It's kinda insane how many people still don't know The Fall
@@joebowles06
Ah, I guess they only had a couple of Albums... NOT❗
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@@joebowles06 Huge in the UK
@@drdelewded Makes sense. You can hear them in all of the newer post-punk thats been coming out of the UK and Europe. In the states they still seem pretty unknown outside of music nerds who have the taste for that kind of music. They're not the only hugely influential UK band that doesn't get the respect they deserver in the states either.
I played in a grunge band way back in the 90s. My two main pedals were an Ibanez SoundTank Powerlead PL5 going into a Ibanez TS10 that I used as a boost for lead parts. The combo gave me some great tones.
The other pedals Vox Wah, Boss CS2 compressor, Boss CE3 chorus and Boss DD3 delay. All that going into a 65 reissue Twin Reverb.
I totally agree, the Toadies were not a grunge band. However, they are one of the best bands from that time, and Possum Kingdom is a cruelly underappreciated album.
Possum Kingdom is a song. The album is Rubbernecker. Fun fact: I played with Todd in a cover band called Gunga Din for a minute. This is the closest I ever got to success in music. Pathetic.
I love when Josh holds up that Rat, I believe it is the 90’s big box vintage reissue. I have one from ‘91, I’ll never ever get rid of it.
This is fantastic. He nails a lot of the tones, and absolutely nails the not grunge songs. Those are the commercial responses to grunge, the bands that made it because of and on the heels of grunge, but were not grunge. Also, JHS pedals are great.
Josh: Sort of Drain you
Also Josh: *Plays On a plain*
G.R.U.N.G.E (Guitar Rock Utilizing Nihilist Grunge Energy). Belle’s vocal is top - more please!
Nice
I wonder if Sadgasm is in the bible...
The rhythm part of ‘Black Days’ was recorded on some kind of Filter’Tron-equipped semi-hollow guitar into-I believe -AC30.
4:35 The exact point that hundreds of gear nerds found their new internet crush. 🎸🔊🥰 The impact of “Nevermind” can’t be overstated. It was truly a game changer for the entire music industry, and one of the key elements of that album was the amazing production of Butch Vig, and the mix engineer Andy Wallace, who were also the team behind the Pumpkins “Siamese Dream” album.
Never have I been more excited for a pedal video
Weird only just yesterday I discovered Sonic Youth for the first time in my long long life, no idea how I missed them all these years, I can hear them running through literally every band I love 😬😬😎🤍
One of the cool things about the Grunge scene was that you no longer *had* to have expensive, high tech guitars and a bunch of rack mounted crap to be considered a viable rock musician. The guitars used by the grungers weren't the "cool" ones that the hair metal players used in the late 80s. Kurt Cobain played Mosrites, old Strats, and a Univox Mosrite copy during the early days. His "pedalboard" also consisted of a Distortion DS-1 and a chorus for much of the Nevermind period. He only went to rack mounted power amps out of necessity, because of touring. Grunge really opened things up. All of a sudden more influences and types of guitars and basses were acceptable. It was a remarkable time for rock music.
I saw mudhoney, soundgarden and the rest of those bands before and during that period when grunge took off. It was a great time.
The forgotten king of grunge is TAD 🧐
YES! "But we didn't have time to mention TAD" WELL THEN MAKE A LONGER VIDEO.
Also a tip of the hat to L7, Bikini Kill and the rest of the Riot Grrrl bands.
@@PedalChainsAddictionaww yeah check Die Spitz bringing it back
I.C. Big muff is right for Siamese Dream and Pisces Iscariot, but Mellon Collie Rhythm tone is a Marshall JMP-1 preamp, primarily.
I wonder if this guy is one of those guys who argue that Silverchair were post-Grunge despite the band forming in 1992 and breaking out into the mainstream in early 94 (at least on Australian radio)...
I wonder if by that logic most grunge bands are actually hair metal bands cause they formed in the mid 80's and started gaining traction around 88?
@@werewolfmedialv haha good shout - have a watch of very early Alice in Chains - 100% hair metal aesthetic (though not musicality)
omg the sonic youth deal was so perfect!
I would've really liked to hear your take on AIC over Smashing Pumpkins. Jerry's tone and lead writing style on Dirt was the center of grunge in my life as a guitarist in the early 90's. Soundgarden and Pearl Jam influence was definitely there too, but what really stuck with me to this day was AIC. I would've liked to see what you came up with to emulate Jerry's sound. Maybe in another video?
I could watch a whole video of Josh telling us which bands aren't grunge. Not which ones are, just which ones aren't.
Good to see you talk about Sonic Youth. Day Dream Nation was the epochal record of its time. Husker Du are certainly worth a mention, especially since Krist Novoselic paid great credit to them for the sound of Nirvana.
Many artists fit into multiple genres. Just because Smashing pumpkins has an alt rock discography doesn’t mean they don’t have some songs that are definitely grunge. Chill out everyone.
If you want to retroactively place them in the category for your own purposes, that's cool. But at the time they were not considered grunge at all. Grunge was the sound of the Seattle scene and like 20 bands from that area. Nothing they (the pumpkins) ever put out sounded like grunge or was considered grunge. Seems like nowadays any rock band from the 90's with distortion gets lumped into a genre that was actually pretty tiny and short-lived by folks who weren't there. Imma go back to shaking my fist at clouds now.
If you're requesting that people chill about a definition of a genre that defined a generation, you will never understand GRUNGE. I WILL DIE ON THIS HILL.
It's your right to be wrong! This is the era I grew up in and the music I loved. As a music nerd it's my job to keep the correct definitions of things historically accurate. Now where'd I put the ibuprofen??
@@werewolfmedialv Interesting that you would assume I didn't grow up in this era also! I agree with your definitely but thanks for trying to browbeat me.
Maybe it should be called Seattle grunge, because many bands had the “grunge sound / formula” in the mid nineties, and some of them weren’t even from the US.
This video made me happy. I was born around the same time as Josh and grunge is what got me into guitar. I enjoyed all the parts. I agree with other commenters to do pt 2 with AiC.
That grunge bible was highly suspect. I've been thinking about updating my pedal board and this has been hugely inspirational. Thank you for the excellent vid!
Wow, great episode! I like this episodic theme.
Don't know about Courtney but Dave, Krist and definitely Kurt would love and laugh his heart out at your homage.
Man you NAILED the tone! Great job sir
The "Super fuzz mm... super fuzz mbmm..." **Josh visibly gives up on everything** moment is the hardest I've ever laughed at anything in my whole life. Mostly because I feel like that all the time. Love you, Josh!
Are you bugging me or mind readers @jhs?! I’ve been on a grunge binge for the last two weeks. Top content!!
Kurt actually used the ds-2 on the original ds-1 mode, he reportedly hated the boost mode according to his guitar tech Earnie Bailey
I think the person that wrote this book focused on the commercial aspects that came out of grunge at the tail end of the era of grunge. The commercialization.
Josh, you nailed it by book ending this with Sonic Youth and Mud Honey, Grunge coming out of Noise Rock and Punk Rock/Post Punk. …
Maybe Josh needs to write a book about Grunge 🤔
I love the episode!!! Definitely ticks my nostalgic grunge esthetic, and is quintessential JHS Gold!
This was probably one of the best "wasted time ,I'll never get back " RUclips videos I ever see in my life!!! You guys totally Rock!! When are you ever gonna get in the Van and go on tour? We need you ,man ! Get in the Van! Please!
🎶😬🎶🤯🎶🗯️💥🔥☠️🎵
P.s. your drummer is totally "off the hook" Awesome. If he's looking to spice it up . I'm forming a polka punk band ,and he'd fit the spot. No joken!
Nick’s “IM A MENACE TO SOCIETY” killed me
you nailed the Corduroy sound!
Good choice on Corduroy! One of my favs too
THIS IS ONE OF MY FAVORITE JHS VIDEOS EVER!!!
Best JHS video. 12:50 That's the spirit!!!!
Yup That Grunge book deserves a shredding, awesome show guys n gals
I like how Belle just comes out of nowhere, perfect Kim Gordon vibe too
Your assessment of Pearl Jam and their evolution post grunge was spot on. Although I still love ten as well.
11:53 Every time I hear “Wurds iz hard!” I smile. Thank you. 😊
That first jam was easily the best I have ever heard from you!
Man. This was a lot of fun!
I've been watching that while making soup. I've learnt stuff, I've enjoyed the music, I've made a decent soup. That moment was no waste of my time.
To give the Grunge Bible credit, it continued the tradition of bibles being filled with abject nonsense.
*Tips fedora*
This comment is criminally underrated.
That Sonic Youth jam was great.