I have my 2019 arteon R-line 4Motion I did a apr tune apr intake an a apr turbo inlet pipe and I’m on the 400hp here in North America also for exhaust I’m planing to put a milltek full system
Leasing a 2019 SEL R-line Arteon, started in April 2020. Love it. LOVE IT. Absolutely bulletproof. Not a single issue bumper to bumper. What a shame they gave me $8K off MSRP and a 6 YEAR/72,000 mile bumper-to-bumper warranty. Dude, like nobody who gets into this car is looking to have "performance enhancements," or aftermarket tuning, blah blah blah performance enthusiast sh*t. I blow everybody away, every time I get out on the byways and highways, especially at and above the higher end (80+ mph). It's the coolest sedan on the road, bar none, under $100K, and the room inside is incredible. Like the other comment, I love how unique this car is, and EVERYBODY thinks the styling is the bomb. Cruises at 125mph, handles like its on rails, and yup... its a keeper. Maybe you should review the Civic Type-R? Great car, lots of mods, a million on the road. For every Racerboy out there. Nobody beats me in traffic. Nobody.
@@yoshi2413 Sticker on mine was 5 bucks under $50k and I paid $43k OTD. The deals were there because they weren’t selling. It’s a great car, VW just never advertised it. I can count on one hand how many I’ve seen in almost 3 years of ownership. Now just shy of 400hp it surprises so many people on the road lol. Most unique looking car on the road, breaks necks all the time and I’ve had so many compliments from people who just don’t know what it is.
owner of 2022 Arteon here. I've owned nothing but VWs in the last 12 yrs so I have some perspective. Also owned a 2017 Golf R in MT. You failed to mention that the 22 Arteon also comes with power bump. Regardless, i'm a father of two kids and this is my daily commute. For what it is it's perfectly fine. I may or may not get the APR s1 but for now, just gonna leave it the way it is and perfectly content with it. Eventually, this is not something I'll hold onto forever. Nice car overall.
It's a great car for sure! Really interested too see the capabilities of the latest gen 2.0T once tuning becomes more avaliable. Glad you got the newer one with the DSG 🙂
I got a '23 and very excited to own this! This is one of my leisure cars. We have twin boys and this car is perfect size to accommodate them on weekend drives. We own a few more VW, wife owns '22 Atlas, and I have the MKV R32 and B6 Passat VR6 4mo wagon. Arteon is a rare, underappreciated car, gorgeous, and huge in value! Glad I got one before it gets its rumored send off
@2522 I have a 22 Arteon, I get about 33mpg @ 75mph when driving by myself, about 31 when hauling around my family of four. At 80mph you can bump each down by about 2-3mpg.
I have a "19 SEL-P and love it. If you know what you're getting (daily driver/family hauler/faux luxury/comfortable long distance cruiser) then it's a perfect car. I LOVE the look inside and out. I plan to do the APR ECU upgrade, lowering springs, rear sway-bars, and aftermarket wheels. Coming from hatchbacks (Veloster, A3) and wagons (A4 Avant, Lexus Sportcross) - the Arteon is the perfect car for me since it offers the cargo volume of a wagon/hatch and the styling of a luxury fastback. This car is definitely a keeper.
At the time of my research there's more parts and tunes available from APR. The fact it's being discontinued in 2024 I don't think is a deal breaker for me. It's actually more of an incentive. I like the feeling of being "unique" so for me the final model is likely gonna be what I get.
Maybe there will be hope for the next generation 🙏 such a beautiful car would love to see some crazy fast FBO hybrid turbo arteons running the streets 😤
@@savagepandaprojects Do you see anything catastrophic with the mechanics for just the average driver if buying a 2023 or 2024? Drive 5k to 7500 miles a year, in town 98% (which isn't so healthy for a car) and I can care less about muscle, performance driving. I just want a super roomy, quiet, sedan with a smooth ride. They're so hard to find!! After my experience back in the day buying the brand new 1990 Integra - total nightmare, I don't want to be in that spot again. I've always been leery of VW & Audi, but now days all makers seem to be making vehicles with crap wrong. Lol.
@@RobinIntell I've owned 3 Audi's now (all DSG's) I dont see anything wrong with the Arteon other than the fact that it's a bit over priced for what it is (a VW lol) and the fact that is shares so many components from the other MQB models (A3/S3/Golf R) but yet it has little to no aftermarket support for those of us that want to upgrade. For a basic daily driver who does't care about all that I think its a great car. I still may buy one eventually just to be different, but for now I'm enjoying my RS3. Cheers!
@@savagepandaprojects Really appreciate the reply and your video! Love the room inside, especially roomy rear seating that's so hard to find and the car still be attractive. Also love a hatchback. Those 2 factors are what attracted me to the car. Never had a VW before, A test drive will be the final decider. lol
I bought a ‘19 SEL R-Line four days ago with the 20” rim option and absolutely LOVE the car. It has everything that I could ever ask for, I get a surprising amount of stares, and I swear the gas mileage is greater than what they’ve stated. I’m debating on adding upgrades or not because the car being black with black wheels could be an absolute sleeper.
Recently bought an early 2023 Arteon R shooting brake - for practical reasons needed a sizeable estate and didn’t want huge expense of larger engine (faster) competitors. Came from a black edition A6 which felt more premium but didn’t excite, this offered the best overall package - running costs I can deal with and performance when I want it, but still a very comfortable practical family car. Looking to make some mods and realising they are limited compared with the Golf R, but probably sufficient for what I want…
I have an Arteon and love it … GIAC will tune the car you just have to contact them. As for the 8zf transmission I hate it totally agree with what you said about it . As for aftermarket part most of the performance part you get for the Golf R will work for the Arteon, intake, inlet, discharge, turbo muffler, throttle pipe, even the down pipe all work. Intercooler is a little tricky some are direct fit (apr and cts) other require modifications. Just thought this would help
I own a 2021 Arteon sel premium and love it. It's nothing like my 2012 infiniti g37 sedan. That car drives handles like it's on rails. However I plan on moving to the 2023 Arteon because I want the engine and transmission upgrades. It's ashame that VW is dropping it. They just needed to advertise it more and keep updating it. Everywhere I go people as me about it and say how beautiful it. If this were and Audi ,would out sell A5 sportback. Also the best version isn't offered here. The full R. 320 hp and top speed of 167 mph.....Damn Shame, as there more drivers like me who don't want an SUV. But a car that fast, spacious, attractive and affordable
Me too!! I think it's all the boomers and older seniors who have joint issues and can't get around that need SUVs that's really jacking up the sedan market. Then you have the 20s and 30 somethings who grew up riding in their parents Expedition, Escalades, etc. who don't know sedans exist - they just want an SUV like mom and dad. 😉
I own a 2021 Arteon SEL Premium R line. I purchased it because I needed a car with more backseat room and trunk space. The 2021 Arteon was middle of the pack on performance for its price point keeping speed with Audi A5 or Volvo S60 and many other cars. The transmission in the 2021 is not sport tuned as you commented, but it is very smooth. It shifts gears so smoothly that it feels like a CVT. I would say the 2021 Arteon is more luxury grand touring over off the line sport. My prior car was an off the line sports car that could accelerate fast enough to give whiplash. I am OK going 0 to 60 in 6.3 seconds and not getting whiplash.
Appreciate your video and how you seem to show fair pros and cons. I LOVE my Arteon. I’m thinking about getting the APR tune soon. But even out of the box, it is a refined luxury VW with plenty of power when you need it.
Researching this car because I like it too. I saw people having issues with the windows getting scratched - driver side more frequent than others. Have you had any issues with your windows scratching? Haven't gotten deep into researching that particular issue, but wonder if it's a faulty regulator? Any electronics issues? Sorry, but all makers have electronic issues guys and gals. My current car I bought with 88k miles, it's 10 yrs old and over 100k now but it's been an awesome car. It's the lemon of its model with over 1,100 service bulletins 😂 hardy har har! I haven't had any issues. Of course it's maintained very well. So unless the Arteon will fall off it's wheels and the engine will catch fire in 60,000 miles even after being maintained super well, I'm willing to take a chance on VW and this model.
I got the APR stage 1 and it's awesome! Also got an APR cold air intake. Sounds nice and it's fast. I do have the 8speed and does feel slow on the shifts. But overall, with the tune, the car is great! Get the tune!
@fwae7262 nothing special tbh. 5sec. There are moments where I can get better but the car has no launch control and I just brake boost. I've had moments at like 4.5ish
I have a 21 Arteon and love it. Now just shy of 400hp with APR tune and basically FBO. Intercooler, intake, turbo inlet pipes, turbo muffler delete etc etc... Never seen a check engine light and it's more enjoyable to drive now. I can count on one hand how many I've seen in nearly 3 years of ownership. It breaks necks and I get compliments all the time. Also, it's not "Very slow to shift" it's just not as fast as a DSG or a ZF (which are lightning fast) AND THATS OK. The Arteon is not a performance car. If I wanted to go faster I'd of bought a BMW from the get go. I wanted something unique and different.
I have a 2018 GTR 280 Arteon since new and I had it tuned emidiately both engine and transmission. It is awesome now and has no issues at all. I do 2 oil change each year and I also have done transmission oil change during this time. Doing this is crusuial on turbo cars!
@@RobinIntell Engine and transmission was optimized by a local tuning company and it gave substantial horsepower increase. It’s around 370hp now. Tuning companies are common so you have to check yourself where you live. Transmission oil change are 2 different types and nothing you can do your self if you’re not an experience engineer with tools. An amateur can’t do it.
@@PerBerglund68did you do the APR tune? Have you had any issues with CEL light coming on or other errors related to that chip swap? I want the APR but also plan on keeping this car for at least another decade so I don’t want any hassle from the car or the dealership if I do get it. Thank you for the info you’ve given 👍🏻
Makes me glad my 2018 arteon r-line has a 7-speed dsg box. I had to replace the mechatronic once cause it broke but it was surprisingly cheap on this model. Shifts pretty fast and smoothly even without a tune.
2018 model and you've already replaced the mechatronics unit?! Holy shit! I had to do that for my 2014 Golf, but I sure as shit thought transitioning to a newer mode would spare me from having to that again ($3600 AUD!)
I own the 2021 Arteon, and the transmission does feel very slow to shift at times, but I always take it into account and can shift early while revving higher, and it seems to take care of the lag. I am disappointed it has been discontinued though. Less available parts in the future!
Just bought a ‘22 Arteon, what an awesome car. It absolutely feels like a lux/sport. It’s a bit heavy but halls some ass, feels like more than 300hp to me.
Have the 2020 Arteon APR High Torque 91 octane tune, 034 turbo muffler, turbo inlet, APR CF intake tune and CAI. Love it for what it is sport back with an IS38 turbo. Yes Aisin is a bummer but still pretty quick 5.2 0-60 13.3 qtr Mile.
I’m seriously thinking about a 22/23 Arteon for daily driving. What type of performance improvement does the APR1 provide. If significant, I would consider installing it after warranty expiration. Thanks.
I prefer the Aisin because I know it'll hold up 100k miles later. Obviously not ideal if you're a tuner, but people that want a nice daily, I'm glad it has an Aisin. My last VW Golf DSG had serious problems by 100k.
@@cm.5023thanks for that info, very good to know - with it being a Lexus F type transmission, I expect it’s capable of swallowing a lot of incoming power and reliably feeding it to the wheels with that continued silky smoothness, and hopefully my ‘21 SEL Premium R 4Motion should not have any transmission issues. My ‘12 CC 2.0T DSG FWD has 160k now and has been a money pit everywhere, to the tune of about $2,500/every year at the shop, except for the DSG tranny which has been flawless.
Very useful perspective even though I have never had or have intentions for aftermarket power enhancement. Proud and happy first owner of 2014 VW CC 2.OT Exec. Have 84 k miles. Was thinking if we should replace it or get a second vehicle. 2023 Arteon shall be in my top two choices.
I just enhanced my driveway with the existing 2012 CC 2.0T by adding a lapiz blue 2021 Arteon SEL R-Line 4Motion a few days ago. At 2 yrs old but with only 14k miles, I couldn't pass it up. Good stuff. The ACC is almost magical.
My 2019 VW Arteon SEL Premium R-Line on my last road trip in 'comfort' mode got 38 mpg. I'm not minding the 8-speed tranny at all with numbers like this! I also have the APR+ tune since new. Your 'negative' comments were not justified. This is NOT a performance car as built.
Its a great car for sure! I'm not hating on it at all. The point was to compare the Arteon other related VW/Audi vehicles amongst the MQB lineup to showcase where the strengths and weaknesses are. Glad you are enjoying yours!
Great video my man!! I will say coming from owning a 21’ Arteon APR stage 1 93 with bolt ons. The transmission definitely holds the vehicle back but with everything considered the Arteon is VW flagship vehicle! Will be rare someday hopefully. It was built with luxury in mind first, with it having the motor and turbo combo it does have it makes it more appealing but never was intended to be a performance driven car. It excels in comfort and luxury especially in its class/price point. Interior and cargo space is equivalent if not better than an Audi A7. For the money, it’s not much that can compete with the vehicle, quality and comfort wise!
I just bought a 2023 SEL Premium R-Line and I couldn't agree more with your assessment. I've owned 2 Audi A8s and the Arteon is like driving a smaller version of an A8, minus a few comfort and convenience options. I'm shocked at the performance.
@@Poeticalt911 Thank you guys for chiming in on your experience. I have a terrible time finding cars I like and I like this one. Any issues with ya'lls windows scratching? Anything I need to look out for?
@@RobinIntell my windows are good. I will say, the brakes could be better but once their worn out, I plan to upgrade. I would also splurge for the Premium version for the cooled seats. This AZ weather is no joke!
@@Poeticalt911 Lol! I hear ya, I'm in TX!! That's what I was planning on, the sound system is supposed to be far superior as well. Thanks for your feedback!!!
I did the ARP 1+ about a two years ago on my 2019 RLine. I can tell you I was the best decision ever made. It’s not the fastest sedan but the increase in HP and overall feeling did the job for me. I haven’t had any problems with the transmission or the regular maintenance at the dealer. But I do agree i wish it had a better transmission, seats and suspension.
@@RobinIntell the seat are not confortable. They lack support, they are too stiff and the leather shows heavy wear and tear compared with other vehicles of its class.
I have a 21’ SEL 4Motion Arteon. I love this car entirely too much 😂. I’ve never really had performance cars. I’ve had a A4, a MK7 Golf, 19’ Jetta R Line, and a CC. I’ve always been a big body 4 door coupe kinda guy deeply. I absolutely loved my CC when I had it. But the Arteon is definitely not a performance vehicle. It’s a niche kinda car with great features. Mine is Stage 1 tuned and lowered and man does it make a world of a difference. 1st car I’ve ever lowered and tuned btw lol. But everyone skips over how BIG the Arteon is. It’s bigger than a A7 at least in the trunk, idk about the outside and interior room. My buddies that get in the back and passenger are well over 6ft and always have tons of room and nobody ever has to move a seat. I remember taking my car to get a brand new toilet and it fit in the trunk perfectly 😂. Yeah it’s not a performance car and they tried to keep up with the horsepower in the segment. I like it as is tbh. If I wanted a performance car I would’ve bought one ya know. The Arteon always 1st caught my eye it’s a sexy car. It gets quite the looks and questions when I’m out and about, ESPECIALLY when the hatch opens. Not to mention all the cool features it comes with. The logo projection, IQ headlights, light up grill, etc. but like I said definitely like a niche car 😅 and to note I did get it used in 2021 with only 2k miles for a VERY good deal!
I just recently picked up a 21 oryx white sel r line with the raven/mistral interior. I was actually shopping around for a TDI Touareg when I stumbled upon this car. For me I didn’t care for performance since I have an FBO S3 on flex fuel. But the fact that the next to highest trim level Arteon has more features in it than a prestige S3 or A5 blew me away. The 8 speed for me works perfectly being that I bought it solely to be a daily driver and to spend less time at the gas station. I think the arteon is a perfect secondary car to have if you have a race car or sportier car already.
@@motivatedachievers lmao I sure did. It turned out to be one of the headliner clips wasn’t pushed all the way in. Now that chirping is gone, it drove me crazy for a while though.
I just bought 22 SEL last week that was a company car and certified. Just a family car for an older couple. Seems fine to me. I looked at Audi Q# and Q5, Volvo xc60, and a BMW X1. It rode better than an of them.
I have a 2021 sel premium that i bought new with 5 miles and now its just over 100000 miles and it has lower springs with aftermarket wheels with chrome delete and APR tune and a body kit but if you have any suggestions on any parts to make it faster id appreciate it but so far I haven't had a single problem with the transmission but I did replace a couple gaskets on the motor
Holy Moly! 100K miles on a 2021! What work do you do? 😀. I thought I was bad.... I just rolled past 50K miles on my 2021 Arteon sel premium. No issues at all so far... Knock on wood! Plan to do a stage 1 tune now that I'm past the warranty period!
The Arteon has always been unique, spacious and luxurious. But it wasn’t very quick, however with the changes made for 2022 it got MUCH faster! Essentially a MK8 R. Tuning numbers are amazing too.
I'm planning to buy the arteon 2019 with 32000 miles. If someone can tell me if they own one or some recommendations or warnings? Please!! I would really appreciate it.
I have had zero problems with my 2019 Arteon R- line, but it is still stock I was tempted to put the APR tune on it because it's cheap and gives about a hundred horse and torque more but honestly I haven't felt I really was lacking in power from the beginning I assume a lot of what you're referring to is based on someone wanting to use it as a sports car...I don't think the size and weight makes it a great candidate
Not sure if you ever did, but I put a stage 1 and a open intake on my 19' r line and it's sounds incredible. It flutters and whirs, especially in 3 rd gear
I drove an A5 back to back with an Arteon R-Line (7 speed / 206kW 400Nm) and it was just a bit better than the Audi, not to mention $20k AUD cheaper. We dont get that 8 speed here in Aus as far as i know, just the R-line. With an APR tune, i think the car will sit where it needs to be for its size and segment.
I just purchased a 2021 Arteon with 9K on the odometer. Car is showroom condition and so far, I am very pleased with it. Volkswagen discontinuing this model means that like most manufacturers, they are going further down the path of electric vehicles. Unless they can overcome all the downsides of electric vehicle ownership, the automotive industry is going to chalk up some impressive losses and the public will suffer for it. The only thing that is going to make electric vehicles a viable option to ICE vehicles is an on-board fusion powered electric generator and I don't see anyone talking about THAT.
If people only knew the children's lives lost mining the minerals for those batteries and the horrific, horrific environmental damage to just make the batteries for those cars.... that are filling up landfills as we speak just causing more and more environmental hell to the earth for 100s of years. Just another in the zillion cons put upon the unsuspecting public.
Bruh, you're missing the whole point of the Arteon. I doubt serious tuners will be looking at something like this when the GTI and Golf R exist, and in greater numbers for less money. This is just a sharp looking sports sedan (at least the "sport" part fits for '22-24 model years) that's more at home cruising around town or long road trips...not a canyon road bomber.
Bruh I feel u dawg, I do love the Arteon... it certainly looks amazing. I still may get one before they're gone. I just wish they would have made the parts more interchangeable with the rest of the MQB cars. Would be so much potential for gains!
I recently bought the Arteon 2022 sel-R line. It’s a more sophisticated ride. I am not looking to modify it at all… it’s very good out of the box. I also have a gti mk7 modded…APR stage 2. Every single bolt and nut has been replaced, I bought the Arteon with the main goal of being my daily commuter. I am in love with this car.
@@JorgeRivera-h7l Congrats on your new ride! The Arteon is without question the most stylish car to ever carry a VW badge, and even the somewhat spartan (by luxury car standards) interior doesnt bother me because it's not an Audi or Bentley, and it isnt priced like one either.
@@savagepandaprojects You have to look to the European Passat (what an Arteon really is under the skin) for parts compatibility, maybe there is at least a small modding community across the pond?
I own the 2022 base model, I have bought it this year. Because I got rear ended and my previous car was a total loss. So far I like the Arteon. Not many on the road. I get a lot of comment and look about the car. The car is nimble and fuel efficient. I think price is high, although the dealer didn’t mark up the Arteon when I bought it. I think if they lower the price more people will buy. But as we know in 2024 they won’t make the gasoline version. They will only have it in all EV. This is not a car that can get tune and etc. nobody has anything for it. Because it’s rare they don’t bother.
I have a 2020 Arteon and I love the styling and overall performance but I definitely noticed the lag in the transmission. Especially when accelerating up a steep hill or even when I make a hard/fast acceleration on the freeway. I have also had several technical issues, like the overhead center console, I don't know the actual name for it, went out and had to be replaced a few months after I got it last year and it just went out again! One of the sensors in the passenger seat went out a few months ago so they replace it and the seat cover. I generally love the car but I've been quite frustrated with all of the issues. This this my 3rd VW, I had 2 CC's before this.
@@RobinIntellbetter answer your phone when you start getting those extended car warranty phone calls! My ‘12 CC Sport 2.0T DSG which I got in ‘15 has deleted about $2,500 from my wallet each year at the shop to fix stuff that has failed, but so far almost everything that has broken has only broken one time and the fixes are holding. My ‘21 Arteon SEL-R 4M so far is doing Great and still has factory bumper to bumper warranty remaining but I’m absolutely getting an extended warranty when that time comes.
Yoo I’ve had my 2019 4 motion R line SEL arteon for 6 months now and first and second gear are definitely slow after that it really takes off, it’s very smooth and quiet I want to do a muffler delete and stage 1 Apr then bag it
I just got a 2019 arteon 4motion fully loaded. Performance sucks in my eyes. For some background, I am coming from a 2015 S5 stage 2 tuned with ~450 hp. I don't think many people look to purchase this car for performance, but for comfort and looks. If you're looking for a big sedan that is powerful, look into the A7/S7/RS7 platform or S5/RS5 sportback. Those have much more tuneability and support with the extra price tag.
Lots of factors, it sounds super simple but the car is going to usually have a different engine code, ECU, transmission code, not always apples to apples..
I just watched your video and really enjoyed your discussion about the turbo that is installed on the Arteon. I own a 2021 SEL P and I’m very happy with it. I do not have a problem at all with the transmission. I find that it shifts smoothly for me. I am a cruiser, not a tuner. Aisin sits under the Toyota Motor Group umbrella so as long as it is a reliable tranny I’ll be fine with it.
So glad it's working for you! Yes it's a fantastic car. I think for daily driving it's perfect! I'm sure with the factory warranty and driving it stock it's totally fine.
There is a very simple tune available from Racechip adding 67 horsepower. Furthermore, there is an amazing exhaust available from milltek which makes it sound incredible.
That may increase some hp but that is not a real tune. That is just a piggy back model which essentially "tricks" the car into making a little more power. Huge difference between than and an actual tune.
@savagepandaprojects Yes, I realize this, is why I said it was a very simple solution to get more power, I seriously doubt there are many buyers purchasing Arteon for it's tunabilty prowess. It is simply the best VW sold in US unless you feel good about driving the GOLF R. Great daily driver, for the weekends I prefer my M3 CS which pretty much shames most supercars around track.
I've driven a boatload of various vehicles in the last 2 months. I'm selling my 20 Camaro SS 1LE as I'm 51 and just tired of stiff riding track capable cars. For the once a year average I have tracking, it's not worth the trade off. So far, the Arteon SE-L R Line awd is the best driving car I've experienced up to the 50k price point. I like the Audi S3, but even it's a bit on the stiff side and I'm not sold on the adaptive suspension tuning even on the 18's. Probably due to the sporting ability and lower weight of the S3 vs Arteon. The negatives of the VW are resale and possible squeaks and rattles. The S3 is a super solid structure and they sell much quicker off the lot new. I also like the 2019-2021 Volvo S60 T6 R Design cars.
I have a 2019 r-line and actually had to work on it to for the first time it was revving 200 grand down to 700 and back up repeatedly I ran the scanner ant it said air intake so I looked it over and the torque bolts were backed almost all the way out I tightened everything up and the intake tube still has slack and check engine light is back and the car is still revving I scan it and it says still air intake tube so tomorrow i am going deeper to see if the tub got damaged some how but i like the car my wife loves it but for me at 6'1 200 lbs it's like all the other cars today to low i love my Silverado
What is the likelihood that a dsg could be swapped into an arteon? I traded a mk7 gti in for an arteon and had to put the apr tune in it immediately. Have some apr springs waiting to go in and want to get some sway bars as well, maybe upgrade the intercooler and intake but I’m a little bummed that I’m already at the top of the torque rating for the trans. I’m generally happy with the power, though I can’t get the sport boost level (seems a few psi higher on the console gauge) without the sport shift points so that’s a little annoying too. I am happy enough with it but fully plan on getting a mk 7.5 golf r and maybe even swapping a 2.5 tfsi in it when my kids are grown and I don’t need a big back seat anymore 😎
Would be super cool if that was easily doable. With enough time, money, effort and skill anything is possible to some degree. But in this case with the arteon having such limited aftermarket support I don't think it would be worth it. Maybe trade up to a 2022+ model where the dsg is standard
@@savagepandaprojects You’re probably right but I have been getting very interested in these OEM upgrades for a lot of VAG cars and especially since there are DSGs in Arteons somewhere now I may save an eBay search and keep my eye on forums. In all honesty though it’s not the golf platform and I can’t make it that. The third gear thing pulling out into traffic is a little annoying but overall the trans is super smooth and this thing absolutely eats highway. I found a SEL Premium white one and am becoming attached to the vented seats…I just need to lower it a bit, tone down the body roll, help her breathe a little better, and chill until I can justify a golf again.
I have a 2019 Arteon. Love the car and mine has the apr tune. The tune wakes the car up. But 0-60 is still eh. Around 4.9-5.0. I am right around 369hp - the new one with the dsg and launch when i drove it launches very hard and feels very nimble. 4.6-4.7 to 60. At Highway speeds tho my tuned Arteon will eat it up. The tune is amazing for the cruising on the Highway.
Love to hear it!!! I have done 60-130 draggy test in my APR stage 1 (bolt ons) and I put down similar times to a stock Charger scat pack. Even with the 8spd auto holding it back some. Lighter wheels and lowering the car an 1” or so really helps a ton!
Hey man I have a 2019 SEL R (not the 4motion) and i've had issues with the start stop feature. My car randomly broke down in the middle of the highway when I was stuck in traffic and after I got that fixed luckily under warranty, I turn off start/stop engine every time I drive. Other than that the car is great and I get a lot of looks ! @@RobinIntell
As a daily driver, I find my '20 Arteon with APR Stage 1 tune to be just fine. I don't need tons of hp, if so, I'd have just gone with an Audi S/RS vehicle.
Hey man, thanks! I ran across your post as I've considering and Arteon myself. Your commentary on the Aisin makes sense, I'll stick to the 2022 models with the DSG. Still a bummer that there are so few tuning options compared to, for example, the Golf R, which I believe has the same DSG in later models? I also wonder this DSG can be tuned independently, so by VAST? Again, props...
Thanks for watching! Glad you received the concept of the video. It's a shame there are many limitations with the Arteon especially on earlier models. If it's it's out of production I don't forsee much development in the aftermarket world. Hopefully the new EVO4 models will be much better than prior Gen! Especially with the 7 speed DSG
I don't see why other tunes won't work with the arteon, it's the same motor as the Golf-R right? Would the Golf-R DP not fit the Arteon? if it does, then you just do a custom cat-back. The intake should be the same. If it has DSG, the TCU tune should be the same. What does do you need to tune it?
Likely a different engine code, different ECU box code, different transmission... lots of these cars are similar but sometimes parts don't always directly translate over.
The VW Arteon on its way to the retirement home to join the Kia Stinger. The good news is an even more sleek and modern replacement in the form of the ID-7. As long as you don't mind an EV. Not really practical for me, but if it was, I'd wait for the twin motor GT variant.
My boyfriend has an arteon and in less than 3 years of owning this vehicle, we have popped 4 tires and recently, when going to fill our vehicle, the gas cap wouldn't unlock. Googling it shows it's a "known issue". We will have to pay to get it fixed. We also have to go to VW because they are the only ones who can "unlock" it apparently. Over $1,000 in tires so far, driving less than 20K a year. NEVER will we ever buy a car like this again. We have popped these tires from small potholes in busy roads so it is not a user error here. Way too low profile. Never again.
I have a 2020 Arteon SEL in rare Kumar yellow It comes with spec iS 38 turbo and an eight speed DSG. Launch control at 3500 RPM and it puts out about 29 to 31 pounds boost I’m not sure if all these facts at the time of this video were correct, there seems to be a lot of different configurations for the car there are available for stage two and stage three via APR but the US doesn’t allow it. You have to go to Canada. Unless Volkswagen somehow has lied to me, that is what’s currently installed in the car
I can only speak on my experience in the US market here but even present day there is little to no support from aftermarket tuning companies for the Arteon. I suspect there is great potential especially on the newer EVO 4 MQB models sharing a lot from the MK8 R but again doesn't appear there are any future developments. Hope to see more in the future someday.
Fast-forward one year: Unitronic's ECU upgrade is still "under development." What's more, there are exactly ZERO ECU upgrades available for the 2022+ with the 300HP engine. It's theoretically the same engine as the Mk8 Golf R but slightly de-tuned; yet that de-tune seems to make all the difference as the APR ECU upgrade available for the Mk8 Golf R is NOT compatible with the 22+ Arteon.
@@savagepandaprojects Sad, but not surprising. The potential market is so small that it's just not worth the investment, esp. for the 22+ model years. And as the owner of a '22 Arteon, that makes me exceptionally aggravated.
I brought a 2021 arteon had nothing but problems with software problems in and out dearship for be fix they had car 2 days said was fix not took back still not fix so ather the 6 times in dearship shop i just took traded in for 2023 buick encore had and still got no problems
The Arteon was never a Sports back, it's a GT. If you wanted a Sports car by VW it would be a GTI or GLI. I've enjoyed my 2019 SE R-line for the past five years because I realized it was a GT not a Sports car.
So you're telling me the plethora of Golf R and S3 tuning focused companies are unable to work on the Arteon? I highly doubt that. But I guess it's not the same in the USA. Here in South Africa, VW's and all related brands are much more popular, so I guess we don't have the same market problems.
Yeah unfortunately US market is still very limited. The drive train is the biggest drawback on early models before they updated them on the newer models. I don't expect companies to invest alot in performance R&D given that configuration. It's a bummer! Such a great looking car!
@@savagepandaprojects Dude! It's such a gem of a sedan. VW messed up by not releasing it when sedans were still a thing. That's where they went wrong. I'm guessing it's not worth importing tune modules and other modifications?
@@Rockybalboa541 yes glad to see improvement for 2022, however I cant say I have high hopes for the aftermarket knowing the model is sadly on the chopping block come 2024... 😕
Nah man I disagree lol have u drive a ZF in sport mode? The factory ignition cut between shifts is great. Add XHP flash tool and it's lighting quick my man!
@@savagepandaprojects Not saying its not good..I have drove B9 S4 even C8 RS6 and its great dont get me wrong but like I said still a slushbox..DCT all Day and specially a tuned DCT even better..Have you drove a tuned R8 yet?
I know man, it's such a bummer! Could have been the ideal platform having best of both worlds if they just used the dsg from the introductory year model in the US
OK after watching it again you are right. It was just convoluted with probably way too much information for the title of your video. Most people are looking at the current model and you managed to drone on about earlier models for much of the time so I bailed before you finally got to current generation. So I did watch but lost interest in there somewhere. You do realize you are a couch reviewer in regard to finding supposed problems with the car, ferreting info from forums and such. Did you visit the NHTSA site, or did I miss that too? Maybe you own or owned one and experienced these supposed BIG PROBLEMS? I think the problem really is lack of robustness for tweaking and modding..?
Just bought a 2022 Arteon I love it. Capacitive buttons aren't great but not a big issue. Hoping to go with the APR tune at some point a cat back and intake but that's it
I have my 2019 arteon R-line 4Motion I did a apr tune apr intake an a apr turbo inlet pipe and I’m on the 400hp here in North America also for exhaust I’m planing to put a milltek full system
Leasing a 2019 SEL R-line Arteon, started in April 2020. Love it. LOVE IT. Absolutely bulletproof. Not a single issue bumper to bumper. What a shame they gave me $8K off MSRP and a 6 YEAR/72,000 mile bumper-to-bumper warranty. Dude, like nobody who gets into this car is looking to have "performance enhancements," or aftermarket tuning, blah blah blah performance enthusiast sh*t. I blow everybody away, every time I get out on the byways and highways, especially at and above the higher end (80+ mph). It's the coolest sedan on the road, bar none, under $100K, and the room inside is incredible. Like the other comment, I love how unique this car is, and EVERYBODY thinks the styling is the bomb. Cruises at 125mph, handles like its on rails, and yup... its a keeper. Maybe you should review the Civic Type-R? Great car, lots of mods, a million on the road. For every Racerboy out there. Nobody beats me in traffic. Nobody.
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$8k off MSRP? They’d be losing so much money
Same way I felt about my 2010 CC
@@yoshi2413 Sticker on mine was 5 bucks under $50k and I paid $43k OTD. The deals were there because they weren’t selling. It’s a great car, VW just never advertised it. I can count on one hand how many I’ve seen in almost 3 years of ownership. Now just shy of 400hp it surprises so many people on the road lol. Most unique looking car on the road, breaks necks all the time and I’ve had so many compliments from people who just don’t know what it is.
Hey, where did you go 125 mph? 🫢🤗👍
I have an Arteon and love it. I have sold a bunch, and they love theirs as well. The 2023 is awesome !
owner of 2022 Arteon here. I've owned nothing but VWs in the last 12 yrs so I have some perspective. Also owned a 2017 Golf R in MT. You failed to mention that the 22 Arteon also comes with power bump. Regardless, i'm a father of two kids and this is my daily commute. For what it is it's perfectly fine. I may or may not get the APR s1 but for now, just gonna leave it the way it is and perfectly content with it. Eventually, this is not something I'll hold onto forever. Nice car overall.
It's a great car for sure! Really interested too see the capabilities of the latest gen 2.0T once tuning becomes more avaliable. Glad you got the newer one with the DSG 🙂
That lad who put vidio is full of s….! Amazing car. Bet he drive crap bmw or suzuki and simply he is jelous
I got a '23 and very excited to own this! This is one of my leisure cars. We have twin boys and this car is perfect size to accommodate them on weekend drives. We own a few more VW, wife owns '22 Atlas, and I have the MKV R32 and B6 Passat VR6 4mo wagon. Arteon is a rare, underappreciated car, gorgeous, and huge in value! Glad I got one before it gets its rumored send off
What’s the highway mpg you’re getting? Above epa?
@2522 I have a 22 Arteon, I get about 33mpg @ 75mph when driving by myself, about 31 when hauling around my family of four. At 80mph you can bump each down by about 2-3mpg.
I have a "19 SEL-P and love it. If you know what you're getting (daily driver/family hauler/faux luxury/comfortable long distance cruiser) then it's a perfect car. I LOVE the look inside and out. I plan to do the APR ECU upgrade, lowering springs, rear sway-bars, and aftermarket wheels. Coming from hatchbacks (Veloster, A3) and wagons (A4 Avant, Lexus Sportcross) - the Arteon is the perfect car for me since it offers the cargo volume of a wagon/hatch and the styling of a luxury fastback. This car is definitely a keeper.
Glad you're enjoying your Arteon! Thanks for watching
At the time of my research there's more parts and tunes available from APR. The fact it's being discontinued in 2024 I don't think is a deal breaker for me. It's actually more of an incentive. I like the feeling of being "unique" so for me the final model is likely gonna be what I get.
Maybe there will be hope for the next generation 🙏 such a beautiful car would love to see some crazy fast FBO hybrid turbo arteons running the streets 😤
@@savagepandaprojects Do you see anything catastrophic with the mechanics for just the average driver if buying a 2023 or 2024? Drive 5k to 7500 miles a year, in town 98% (which isn't so healthy for a car) and I can care less about muscle, performance driving. I just want a super roomy, quiet, sedan with a smooth ride. They're so hard to find!! After my experience back in the day buying the brand new 1990 Integra - total nightmare, I don't want to be in that spot again. I've always been leery of VW & Audi, but now days all makers seem to be making vehicles with crap wrong. Lol.
@@RobinIntell I've owned 3 Audi's now (all DSG's) I dont see anything wrong with the Arteon other than the fact that it's a bit over priced for what it is (a VW lol) and the fact that is shares so many components from the other MQB models (A3/S3/Golf R) but yet it has little to no aftermarket support for those of us that want to upgrade. For a basic daily driver who does't care about all that I think its a great car. I still may buy one eventually just to be different, but for now I'm enjoying my RS3. Cheers!
@@savagepandaprojects Really appreciate the reply and your video! Love the room inside, especially roomy rear seating that's so hard to find and the car still be attractive. Also love a hatchback. Those 2 factors are what attracted me to the car. Never had a VW before, A test drive will be the final decider. lol
I bought a ‘19 SEL R-Line four days ago with the 20” rim option and absolutely LOVE the car. It has everything that I could ever ask for, I get a surprising amount of stares, and I swear the gas mileage is greater than what they’ve stated. I’m debating on adding upgrades or not because the car being black with black wheels could be an absolute sleeper.
That's awesome I'm glad you're enjoying it!
Recently bought an early 2023 Arteon R shooting brake - for practical reasons needed a sizeable estate and didn’t want huge expense of larger engine (faster) competitors. Came from a black edition A6 which felt more premium but didn’t excite, this offered the best overall package - running costs I can deal with and performance when I want it, but still a very comfortable practical family car. Looking to make some mods and realising they are limited compared with the Golf R, but probably sufficient for what I want…
I have an Arteon and love it … GIAC will tune the car you just have to contact them. As for the 8zf transmission I hate it totally agree with what you said about it . As for aftermarket part most of the performance part you get for the Golf R will work for the Arteon, intake, inlet, discharge, turbo muffler, throttle pipe, even the down pipe all work. Intercooler is a little tricky some are direct fit (apr and cts) other require modifications. Just thought this would help
You have the Aisin 8 speed Auto?
@@ssr1680 yup … hate it
Is the transmission a POS with a high failure rate, or you just don't like the performance?
@@RobinIntell my car is making way more power than stock on the 8 speed and it’s never had any issues. It’s way more stout than people think.
I own a 2021 Arteon sel premium and love it. It's nothing like my 2012 infiniti g37 sedan. That car drives handles like it's on rails. However I plan on moving to the 2023 Arteon because I want the engine and transmission upgrades. It's ashame that VW is dropping it. They just needed to advertise it more and keep updating it. Everywhere I go people as me about it and say how beautiful it. If this were and Audi ,would out sell A5 sportback. Also the best version isn't offered here. The full R. 320 hp and top speed of 167 mph.....Damn Shame, as there more drivers like me who don't want an SUV. But a car that fast, spacious, attractive and affordable
Me too!! I think it's all the boomers and older seniors who have joint issues and can't get around that need SUVs that's really jacking up the sedan market. Then you have the 20s and 30 somethings who grew up riding in their parents Expedition, Escalades, etc. who don't know sedans exist - they just want an SUV like mom and dad. 😉
I own a 2021 Arteon SEL Premium R line. I purchased it because I needed a car with more backseat room and trunk space. The 2021 Arteon was middle of the pack on performance for its price point keeping speed with Audi A5 or Volvo S60 and many other cars. The transmission in the 2021 is not sport tuned as you commented, but it is very smooth. It shifts gears so smoothly that it feels like a CVT. I would say the 2021 Arteon is more luxury grand touring over off the line sport. My prior car was an off the line sports car that could accelerate fast enough to give whiplash. I am OK going 0 to 60 in 6.3 seconds and not getting whiplash.
Appreciate your video and how you seem to show fair pros and cons. I LOVE my Arteon. I’m thinking about getting the APR tune soon. But even out of the box, it is a refined luxury VW with plenty of power when you need it.
Researching this car because I like it too. I saw people having issues with the windows getting scratched - driver side more frequent than others. Have you had any issues with your windows scratching? Haven't gotten deep into researching that particular issue, but wonder if it's a faulty regulator? Any electronics issues? Sorry, but all makers have electronic issues guys and gals. My current car I bought with 88k miles, it's 10 yrs old and over 100k now but it's been an awesome car. It's the lemon of its model with over 1,100 service bulletins 😂 hardy har har! I haven't had any issues. Of course it's maintained very well. So unless the Arteon will fall off it's wheels and the engine will catch fire in 60,000 miles even after being maintained super well, I'm willing to take a chance on VW and this model.
I got the APR stage 1 and it's awesome! Also got an APR cold air intake. Sounds nice and it's fast. I do have the 8speed and does feel slow on the shifts. But overall, with the tune, the car is great! Get the tune!
@@RobinIntell none. I’ve not read about that and it has not happened to me.
@@bboybigewhat does your 0-60 look like?
@fwae7262 nothing special tbh. 5sec. There are moments where I can get better but the car has no launch control and I just brake boost. I've had moments at like 4.5ish
I have a 21 Arteon and love it. Now just shy of 400hp with APR tune and basically FBO. Intercooler, intake, turbo inlet pipes, turbo muffler delete etc etc... Never seen a check engine light and it's more enjoyable to drive now. I can count on one hand how many I've seen in nearly 3 years of ownership. It breaks necks and I get compliments all the time. Also, it's not "Very slow to shift" it's just not as fast as a DSG or a ZF (which are lightning fast) AND THATS OK. The Arteon is not a performance car. If I wanted to go faster I'd of bought a BMW from the get go. I wanted something unique and different.
I have a 2018 GTR 280 Arteon since new and I had it tuned emidiately both engine and transmission. It is awesome now and has no issues at all. I do 2 oil change each year and I also have done transmission oil change during this time. Doing this is crusuial on turbo cars!
Can you define what modifications you did in plain terms for the novice?
@@RobinIntell Engine and transmission was optimized by a local tuning company and it gave substantial horsepower increase. It’s around 370hp now. Tuning companies are common so you have to check yourself where you live. Transmission oil change are 2 different types and nothing you can do your self if you’re not an experience engineer with tools. An amateur can’t do it.
@@PerBerglund68did you do the APR tune? Have you had any issues with CEL light coming on or other errors related to that chip swap? I want the APR but also plan on keeping this car for at least another decade so I don’t want any hassle from the car or the dealership if I do get it. Thank you for the info you’ve given 👍🏻
Makes me glad my 2018 arteon r-line has a 7-speed dsg box. I had to replace the mechatronic once cause it broke but it was surprisingly cheap on this model. Shifts pretty fast and smoothly even without a tune.
2018 model and you've already replaced the mechatronics unit?! Holy shit! I had to do that for my 2014 Golf, but I sure as shit thought transitioning to a newer mode would spare me from having to that again ($3600 AUD!)
I own the 2021 Arteon, and the transmission does feel very slow to shift at times, but I always take it into account and can shift early while revving higher, and it seems to take care of the lag. I am disappointed it has been discontinued though. Less available parts in the future!
Thank you sir I have a 2021 Arteon as well and I experience the same thing when I bought it. It’s not very responsive or should i say laggy??
Just bought a ‘22 Arteon, what an awesome car. It absolutely feels like a lux/sport. It’s a bit heavy but halls some ass, feels like more than 300hp to me.
Is "halls" ass simimular to hauls? Te he. Couldn't resist!! No issues? You think the transmission will hold together?
Have the 2020 Arteon APR High Torque 91 octane tune, 034 turbo muffler, turbo inlet, APR CF intake tune and CAI. Love it for what it is sport back with an IS38 turbo. Yes Aisin is a bummer but still pretty quick 5.2 0-60 13.3 qtr Mile.
Glad to hear you are enjoying it! Man, if only they came with DSG standard, would be such an incredible value for what it is. Thx for watching
I’m seriously thinking about a 22/23 Arteon for daily driving. What type of performance improvement does the APR1 provide. If significant, I would consider installing it after warranty expiration. Thanks.
Unfortunately at this time it doesn't appear they have a tune for the 22+ models
I prefer the Aisin because I know it'll hold up 100k miles later. Obviously not ideal if you're a tuner, but people that want a nice daily, I'm glad it has an Aisin. My last VW Golf DSG had serious problems by 100k.
The Aisin in my 3.6 Passat went over 300k with original fluid and I was not kind to it at all.
@@cm.5023thanks for that info, very good to know - with it being a Lexus F type transmission, I expect it’s capable of swallowing a lot of incoming power and reliably feeding it to the wheels with that continued silky smoothness, and hopefully my ‘21 SEL Premium R 4Motion should not have any transmission issues. My ‘12 CC 2.0T DSG FWD has 160k now and has been a money pit everywhere, to the tune of about $2,500/every year at the shop, except for the DSG tranny which has been flawless.
Very useful perspective even though I have never had or have intentions for aftermarket power enhancement. Proud and happy first owner of 2014 VW CC 2.OT Exec. Have 84 k miles. Was thinking if we should replace it or get a second vehicle. 2023 Arteon shall be in my top two choices.
I just enhanced my driveway with the existing 2012 CC 2.0T by adding a lapiz blue 2021 Arteon SEL R-Line 4Motion a few days ago. At 2 yrs old but with only 14k miles, I couldn't pass it up. Good stuff. The ACC is almost magical.
My 2019 VW Arteon SEL Premium R-Line on my last road trip in 'comfort' mode got 38 mpg. I'm not minding the 8-speed tranny at all with numbers like this! I also have the APR+ tune since new. Your 'negative' comments were not justified. This is NOT a performance car as built.
Its a great car for sure! I'm not hating on it at all. The point was to compare the Arteon other related VW/Audi vehicles amongst the MQB lineup to showcase where the strengths and weaknesses are. Glad you are enjoying yours!
@@savagepandaprojects - For what I paid NEW for this model, $39,500, it was a bargain!
Debating on getting a 2023 Arteon SEL R-line. Should I go for it?
Sounds fun! I believe there have since been some performance updates vis APR
Yes do it! Mine has been amazing
Great video my man!! I will say coming from owning a 21’ Arteon APR stage 1 93 with bolt ons. The transmission definitely holds the vehicle back but with everything considered the Arteon is VW flagship vehicle! Will be rare someday hopefully. It was built with luxury in mind first, with it having the motor and turbo combo it does have it makes it more appealing but never was intended to be a performance driven car. It excels in comfort and luxury especially in its class/price point. Interior and cargo space is equivalent if not better than an Audi A7. For the money, it’s not much that can compete with the vehicle, quality and comfort wise!
I just bought a 2023 SEL Premium R-Line and I couldn't agree more with your assessment. I've owned 2 Audi A8s and the Arteon is like driving a smaller version of an A8, minus a few comfort and convenience options. I'm shocked at the performance.
@@Poeticalt911 Thank you guys for chiming in on your experience. I have a terrible time finding cars I like and I like this one. Any issues with ya'lls windows scratching? Anything I need to look out for?
@@RobinIntell my windows are good. I will say, the brakes could be better but once their worn out, I plan to upgrade. I would also splurge for the Premium version for the cooled seats. This AZ weather is no joke!
@@Poeticalt911 Lol! I hear ya, I'm in TX!! That's what I was planning on, the sound system is supposed to be far superior as well. Thanks for your feedback!!!
I did the ARP 1+ about a two years ago on my 2019 RLine. I can tell you I was the best decision ever made. It’s not the fastest sedan but the increase in HP and overall feeling did the job for me. I haven’t had any problems with the transmission or the regular maintenance at the dealer. But I do agree i wish it had a better transmission, seats and suspension.
I am gong to check this out, I also have a 19 r line for the past three years it is has been great to me.
How much hp did u gain?
@@deandretaylor21 +97 + 2 from upgraded K&N filter, so almost 100 hp more than OEM
What's wrong with the seats?
@@RobinIntell the seat are not confortable. They lack support, they are too stiff and the leather shows heavy wear and tear compared with other vehicles of its class.
I have a 21’ SEL 4Motion Arteon. I love this car entirely too much 😂. I’ve never really had performance cars. I’ve had a A4, a MK7 Golf, 19’ Jetta R Line, and a CC. I’ve always been a big body 4 door coupe kinda guy deeply. I absolutely loved my CC when I had it. But the Arteon is definitely not a performance vehicle. It’s a niche kinda car with great features. Mine is Stage 1 tuned and lowered and man does it make a world of a difference. 1st car I’ve ever lowered and tuned btw lol. But everyone skips over how BIG the Arteon is. It’s bigger than a A7 at least in the trunk, idk about the outside and interior room. My buddies that get in the back and passenger are well over 6ft and always have tons of room and nobody ever has to move a seat. I remember taking my car to get a brand new toilet and it fit in the trunk perfectly 😂. Yeah it’s not a performance car and they tried to keep up with the horsepower in the segment. I like it as is tbh. If I wanted a performance car I would’ve bought one ya know. The Arteon always 1st caught my eye it’s a sexy car. It gets quite the looks and questions when I’m out and about, ESPECIALLY when the hatch opens. Not to mention all the cool features it comes with. The logo projection, IQ headlights, light up grill, etc. but like I said definitely like a niche car 😅 and to note I did get it used in 2021 with only 2k miles for a VERY good deal!
Any scratched windows?
Is already tones of power, what's the point to do more tuning? Is a comfort coupe not a spot car...
Tons of power? 🥸
I just recently picked up a 21 oryx white sel r line with the raven/mistral interior. I was actually shopping around for a TDI Touareg when I stumbled upon this car. For me I didn’t care for performance since I have an FBO S3 on flex fuel. But the fact that the next to highest trim level Arteon has more features in it than a prestige S3 or A5 blew me away. The 8 speed for me works perfectly being that I bought it solely to be a daily driver and to spend less time at the gas station. I think the arteon is a perfect secondary car to have if you have a race car or sportier car already.
@@motivatedachievers lmao I sure did. It turned out to be one of the headliner clips wasn’t pushed all the way in. Now that chirping is gone, it drove me crazy for a while though.
@@motivatedachievers just above the driver seat in the corner where the headliner meets the sunroof
I just bought 22 SEL last week that was a company car and certified. Just a family car for an older couple. Seems fine to me. I looked at Audi Q# and Q5, Volvo xc60, and a BMW X1. It rode better than an of them.
Thanks for sharing! Yes for someone that just wants a comfortable daily its totally fine. I love the styling!
I had a Golf, Jetta, and a CC.. thinking about the Arteon next 😍😍😍
It's such a great looking car!
I have a 2021 sel premium that i bought new with 5 miles and now its just over 100000 miles and it has lower springs with aftermarket wheels with chrome delete and APR tune and a body kit but if you have any suggestions on any parts to make it faster id appreciate it but so far I haven't had a single problem with the transmission but I did replace a couple gaskets on the motor
Holy Moly! 100K miles on a 2021! What work do you do? 😀. I thought I was bad.... I just rolled past 50K miles on my 2021 Arteon sel premium. No issues at all so far... Knock on wood! Plan to do a stage 1 tune now that I'm past the warranty period!
The Arteon has always been unique, spacious and luxurious. But it wasn’t very quick, however with the changes made for 2022 it got MUCH faster! Essentially a MK8 R. Tuning numbers are amazing too.
I'm planning to buy the arteon 2019 with 32000 miles. If someone can tell me if they own one or some recommendations or warnings? Please!! I would really appreciate it.
I have a 2022 arteon and so far the car is awesome, I'm really hoping that Apr will make a tune for the DSG and new motor.
So far is there a tune?
I have had zero problems with my 2019 Arteon R- line, but it is still stock I was tempted to put the APR tune on it because it's cheap and gives about a hundred horse and torque more but honestly I haven't felt I really was lacking in power from the beginning
I assume a lot of what you're referring to is based on someone wanting to use it as a sports car...I don't think the size and weight makes it a great candidate
Not sure if you ever did, but I put a stage 1 and a open intake on my 19' r line and it's sounds incredible. It flutters and whirs, especially in 3 rd gear
I drove an A5 back to back with an Arteon R-Line (7 speed / 206kW 400Nm) and it was just a bit better than the Audi, not to mention $20k AUD cheaper. We dont get that 8 speed here in Aus as far as i know, just the R-line. With an APR tune, i think the car will sit where it needs to be for its size and segment.
Great models to compare with! Yes as long as your countries version is DSG I'm all for the Arteon as a good alternative! :)
I just purchased a 2021 Arteon with 9K on the odometer. Car is showroom condition and so far, I am very pleased with it. Volkswagen discontinuing this model means that like most manufacturers, they are going further down the path of electric vehicles. Unless they can overcome all the downsides of electric vehicle ownership, the automotive industry is going to chalk up some impressive losses and the public will suffer for it. The only thing that is going to make electric vehicles a viable option to ICE vehicles is an on-board fusion powered electric generator and I don't see anyone talking about THAT.
If people only knew the children's lives lost mining the minerals for those batteries and the horrific, horrific environmental damage to just make the batteries for those cars.... that are filling up landfills as we speak just causing more and more environmental hell to the earth for 100s of years. Just another in the zillion cons put upon the unsuspecting public.
Bruh, you're missing the whole point of the Arteon. I doubt serious tuners will be looking at something like this when the GTI and Golf R exist, and in greater numbers for less money. This is just a sharp looking sports sedan (at least the "sport" part fits for '22-24 model years) that's more at home cruising around town or long road trips...not a canyon road bomber.
Bruh I feel u dawg, I do love the Arteon... it certainly looks amazing. I still may get one before they're gone. I just wish they would have made the parts more interchangeable with the rest of the MQB cars. Would be so much potential for gains!
I recently bought the Arteon 2022 sel-R line. It’s a more sophisticated ride. I am not looking to modify it at all… it’s very good out of the box. I also have a gti mk7 modded…APR stage 2. Every single bolt and nut has been replaced, I bought the Arteon with the main goal of being my daily commuter. I am in love with this car.
@@JorgeRivera-h7l Congrats on your new ride! The Arteon is without question the most stylish car to ever carry a VW badge, and even the somewhat spartan (by luxury car standards) interior doesnt bother me because it's not an Audi or Bentley, and it isnt priced like one either.
@@savagepandaprojects You have to look to the European Passat (what an Arteon really is under the skin) for parts compatibility, maybe there is at least a small modding community across the pond?
I own the 2022 base model, I have bought it this year. Because I got rear ended and my previous car was a total loss. So far I like the Arteon. Not many on the road. I get a lot of comment and look about the car. The car is nimble and fuel efficient. I think price is high, although the dealer didn’t mark up the Arteon when I bought it. I think if they lower the price more people will buy. But as we know in 2024 they won’t make the gasoline version. They will only have it in all EV. This is not a car that can get tune and etc. nobody has anything for it. Because it’s rare they don’t bother.
I have a 2020 Arteon and I love the styling and overall performance but I definitely noticed the lag in the transmission. Especially when accelerating up a steep hill or even when I make a hard/fast acceleration on the freeway. I have also had several technical issues, like the overhead center console, I don't know the actual name for it, went out and had to be replaced a few months after I got it last year and it just went out again! One of the sensors in the passenger seat went out a few months ago so they replace it and the seat cover. I generally love the car but I've been quite frustrated with all of the issues. This this my 3rd VW, I had 2 CC's before this.
I can imagine probably some quirks with these earlier models. Looking like 2022+ is better overall but it is a really nice car! Thanks for watching
Agree. Shocking lag in transmission. My 22 is no better.
So what happens when it's out of warranty and that stuff keeps going out?
@@RobinIntellbetter answer your phone when you start getting those extended car warranty phone calls! My ‘12 CC Sport 2.0T DSG which I got in ‘15 has deleted about $2,500 from my wallet each year at the shop to fix stuff that has failed, but so far almost everything that has broken has only broken one time and the fixes are holding. My ‘21 Arteon SEL-R 4M so far is doing Great and still has factory bumper to bumper warranty remaining but I’m absolutely getting an extended warranty when that time comes.
Yoo I’ve had my 2019 4 motion R line SEL arteon for 6 months now and first and second gear are definitely slow after that it really takes off, it’s very smooth and quiet I want to do a muffler delete and stage 1 Apr then bag it
That sounds fun man! Enjoy 😉
I just got a 2019 arteon 4motion fully loaded. Performance sucks in my eyes. For some background, I am coming from a 2015 S5 stage 2 tuned with ~450 hp.
I don't think many people look to purchase this car for performance, but for comfort and looks. If you're looking for a big sedan that is powerful, look into the A7/S7/RS7 platform or S5/RS5 sportback. Those have much more tuneability and support with the extra price tag.
Actually, got an Arteon R Shooting Brake WITH a 7 speed dual clutch, so amazing 🏁
Wish we had those here in the states :) sounds amazing!
I have a DSG Arteon. So why dont the tuners just use a Golf R tune?
Lots of factors, it sounds super simple but the car is going to usually have a different engine code, ECU, transmission code, not always apples to apples..
I just watched your video and really enjoyed your discussion about the turbo that is installed on the Arteon. I own a 2021 SEL P and I’m very happy with it. I do not have a problem at all with the transmission. I find that it shifts smoothly for me. I am a cruiser, not a tuner. Aisin sits under the Toyota Motor Group umbrella so as long as it is a reliable tranny I’ll be fine with it.
So glad it's working for you! Yes it's a fantastic car. I think for daily driving it's perfect! I'm sure with the factory warranty and driving it stock it's totally fine.
There is a very simple tune available from Racechip adding 67 horsepower. Furthermore, there is an amazing exhaust available from milltek which makes it sound incredible.
That may increase some hp but that is not a real tune. That is just a piggy back model which essentially "tricks" the car into making a little more power. Huge difference between than and an actual tune.
@savagepandaprojects Yes, I realize this, is why I said it was a very simple solution to get more power, I seriously doubt there are many buyers purchasing Arteon for it's tunabilty prowess. It is simply the best VW sold in US unless you feel good about driving the GOLF R. Great daily driver, for the weekends I prefer my M3 CS which pretty much shames most supercars around track.
I've driven a boatload of various vehicles in the last 2 months. I'm selling my 20 Camaro SS 1LE as I'm 51 and just tired of stiff riding track capable cars. For the once a year average I have tracking, it's not worth the trade off. So far, the Arteon SE-L R Line awd is the best driving car I've experienced up to the 50k price point. I like the Audi S3, but even it's a bit on the stiff side and I'm not sold on the adaptive suspension tuning even on the 18's. Probably due to the sporting ability and lower weight of the S3 vs Arteon. The negatives of the VW are resale and possible squeaks and rattles. The S3 is a super solid structure and they sell much quicker off the lot new. I also like the 2019-2021 Volvo S60 T6 R Design cars.
I have a 2019 r-line and actually had to work on it to for the first time it was revving 200 grand down to 700 and back up repeatedly I ran the scanner ant it said air intake so I looked it over and the torque bolts were backed almost all the way out I tightened everything up and the intake tube still has slack and check engine light is back and the car is still revving I scan it and it says still air intake tube so tomorrow i am going deeper to see if the tub got damaged some how but i like the car my wife loves it but for me at 6'1 200 lbs it's like all the other cars today to low i love my Silverado
What is the likelihood that a dsg could be swapped into an arteon? I traded a mk7 gti in for an arteon and had to put the apr tune in it immediately. Have some apr springs waiting to go in and want to get some sway bars as well, maybe upgrade the intercooler and intake but I’m a little bummed that I’m already at the top of the torque rating for the trans. I’m generally happy with the power, though I can’t get the sport boost level (seems a few psi higher on the console gauge) without the sport shift points so that’s a little annoying too. I am happy enough with it but fully plan on getting a mk 7.5 golf r and maybe even swapping a 2.5 tfsi in it when my kids are grown and I don’t need a big back seat anymore 😎
Would be super cool if that was easily doable. With enough time, money, effort and skill anything is possible to some degree. But in this case with the arteon having such limited aftermarket support I don't think it would be worth it. Maybe trade up to a 2022+ model where the dsg is standard
@@savagepandaprojects You’re probably right but I have been getting very interested in these OEM upgrades for a lot of VAG cars and especially since there are DSGs in Arteons somewhere now I may save an eBay search and keep my eye on forums. In all honesty though it’s not the golf platform and I can’t make it that. The third gear thing pulling out into traffic is a little annoying but overall the trans is super smooth and this thing absolutely eats highway. I found a SEL Premium white one and am becoming attached to the vented seats…I just need to lower it a bit, tone down the body roll, help her breathe a little better, and chill until I can justify a golf again.
What If I don’t want to modify this car. I want it as a daily driver. How does it do in snow? Is it reliable?
From that standpoint, it probably does fine.
I have a 2019 Arteon. Love the car and mine has the apr tune. The tune wakes the car up. But 0-60 is still eh. Around 4.9-5.0. I am right around 369hp - the new one with the dsg and launch when i drove it launches very hard and feels very nimble. 4.6-4.7 to 60. At Highway speeds tho my tuned Arteon will eat it up. The tune is amazing for the cruising on the Highway.
Love to hear it!!! I have done 60-130 draggy test in my APR stage 1 (bolt ons) and I put down similar times to a stock Charger scat pack. Even with the 8spd auto holding it back some. Lighter wheels and lowering the car an 1” or so really helps a ton!
Have you had any issues with anything you'd tell a friend before they buy?
@@RobinIntell no issues at all. The car is amazing. Just hit 50k miles.
Hey man I have a 2019 SEL R (not the 4motion) and i've had issues with the start stop feature. My car randomly broke down in the middle of the highway when I was stuck in traffic and after I got that fixed luckily under warranty, I turn off start/stop engine every time I drive. Other than that the car is great and I get a lot of looks ! @@RobinIntell
@@taylorgoson7119 sorry to hear! There’s a way to disable that permanently. They disabled it for me my tune
As a daily driver, I find my '20 Arteon with APR Stage 1 tune to be just fine. I don't need tons of hp, if so, I'd have just gone with an Audi S/RS vehicle.
Yeah that sounds like a good daily. Still wish there was more interchangeable parts between the Golf R and Arteon tho...
I recently bought a 22 and it seems fine to me. Looked at Q3, and Q5 audis, Volvo xc60, and BMW x1. The vw feet much better.
2023 Arteon has the 7 speed DCT
The 22 also has the 7 DCT 🙂
Hey man, thanks! I ran across your post as I've considering and Arteon myself. Your commentary on the Aisin makes sense, I'll stick to the 2022 models with the DSG. Still a bummer that there are so few tuning options compared to, for example, the Golf R, which I believe has the same DSG in later models? I also wonder this DSG can be tuned independently, so by VAST? Again, props...
Thanks for watching! Glad you received the concept of the video. It's a shame there are many limitations with the Arteon especially on earlier models. If it's it's out of production I don't forsee much development in the aftermarket world. Hopefully the new EVO4 models will be much better than prior Gen! Especially with the 7 speed DSG
I don't see why other tunes won't work with the arteon, it's the same motor as the Golf-R right? Would the Golf-R DP not fit the Arteon? if it does, then you just do a custom cat-back. The intake should be the same. If it has DSG, the TCU tune should be the same. What does do you need to tune it?
Likely a different engine code, different ECU box code, different transmission... lots of these cars are similar but sometimes parts don't always directly translate over.
Gonna buy the 2017 Arteon RLine 240HP in a few days for 20,000 EUR with 130,000 miles on it.
It will be my first car, I am sure that I will love it.
that sounds awesome!
The VW Arteon on its way to the retirement home to join the Kia Stinger. The good news is an even more sleek and modern replacement in the form of the ID-7. As long as you don't mind an EV. Not really practical for me, but if it was, I'd wait for the twin motor GT variant.
some people mentioned 2020 arteon has severe wind noise issues.. is this true? Any thoughts?
22 and 23 models have 7 speed dct
..and EA888 gen 4 engine + Continental turbo...same setup as MK8 Golf R
We’re swamping daza motors, let’s start swapping dq250’s or 500’s in the Arteon?
My boyfriend has an arteon and in less than 3 years of owning this vehicle, we have popped 4 tires and recently, when going to fill our vehicle, the gas cap wouldn't unlock. Googling it shows it's a "known issue".
We will have to pay to get it fixed. We also have to go to VW because they are the only ones who can "unlock" it apparently. Over $1,000 in tires so far, driving less than 20K a year.
NEVER will we ever buy a car like this again. We have popped these tires from small potholes in busy roads so it is not a user error here. Way too low profile. Never again.
oh no! so sorry to hear that! Sounds like a nightmare! :(
Buy tire insurance. Second you live in an area with bad roads.
It is commonly known that the stock Conti TX tires are crap. Swap them for Conti DWS06+ or Michelin PSAS4 and you’re fine.
Had 2022 Arteon best car i ever bought i changed and bought 2024 Arteon what a car It’s pity they stopped making them
Yeah it's a bummer! There were definitely things that could have been better but we'll see what happens
Love the styling not enough power. constantly trying to find the sweet spot
I have a 2020 Arteon SEL in rare Kumar yellow
It comes with spec iS 38 turbo and an eight speed DSG. Launch control at 3500 RPM and it puts out about 29 to 31 pounds boost
I’m not sure if all these facts at the time of this video were correct, there seems to be a lot of different configurations for the car there are available for stage two and stage three via APR but the US doesn’t allow it. You have to go to Canada.
Unless Volkswagen somehow has lied to me, that is what’s currently installed in the car
I can only speak on my experience in the US market here but even present day there is little to no support from aftermarket tuning companies for the Arteon. I suspect there is great potential especially on the newer EVO 4 MQB models sharing a lot from the MK8 R but again doesn't appear there are any future developments. Hope to see more in the future someday.
Fast-forward one year: Unitronic's ECU upgrade is still "under development." What's more, there are exactly ZERO ECU upgrades available for the 2022+ with the 300HP engine. It's theoretically the same engine as the Mk8 Golf R but slightly de-tuned; yet that de-tune seems to make all the difference as the APR ECU upgrade available for the Mk8 Golf R is NOT compatible with the 22+ Arteon.
very sad to see lack of development on the Arteon! Could be so much potential!
@@savagepandaprojects Sad, but not surprising. The potential market is so small that it's just not worth the investment, esp. for the 22+ model years. And as the owner of a '22 Arteon, that makes me exceptionally aggravated.
I brought a 2021 arteon had nothing but problems with software problems in and out dearship for be fix they had car 2 days said was fix not took back still not fix so ather the 6 times in dearship shop i just took traded in for 2023 buick encore had and still got no problems
Oh no! Sounds like a nightmare 😕
I just brought a 2023 arteon. Is there anything I can do to change my situation?
I believe APR now has a tune for the 2022+ EVO 4 models :)
Man in europe, they got the arteon wagon. And it is SEXY
Oh yeah I know, those are sweeeeet! Just wish the US version had been DSG from the introductory year, could be so much potential!
What a shame, they had everything going for them but...they still look really good!
Yup still a great looking VW! 😃
The Arteon was never a Sports back, it's a GT. If you wanted a Sports car by VW it would be a GTI or GLI. I've enjoyed my 2019 SE R-line for the past five years because I realized it was a GT not a Sports car.
So you're telling me the plethora of Golf R and S3 tuning focused companies are unable to work on the Arteon? I highly doubt that.
But I guess it's not the same in the USA. Here in South Africa, VW's and all related brands are much more popular, so I guess we don't have the same market problems.
Yeah unfortunately US market is still very limited. The drive train is the biggest drawback on early models before they updated them on the newer models. I don't expect companies to invest alot in performance R&D given that configuration. It's a bummer! Such a great looking car!
@@savagepandaprojects Dude! It's such a gem of a sedan. VW messed up by not releasing it when sedans were still a thing. That's where they went wrong.
I'm guessing it's not worth importing tune modules and other modifications?
@@CJr_M I know I want one 😭 maybe there is hope for 2022-24 we shall see what happens here with the aftermarket support
It’s just too expensive. You have to get the top line to get good speakers and power lift gate
Agreed. Way overpriced. Makes so much more sense to just buy a 2 year old Audi lol
Those speakers are absolutely embarrass for 45-50k.
Really good looking car
it absolutely is :)
There is racetek usa stages 1-3
I love it better than a lot of overrated cars 😅
I think I heard somewhere that there could be some performance upgrades coming up in the near future too!
I love these Arteons
Dude I want to like them so much but that transmission absolutely ruins it! 😫
@@savagepandaprojects You know me, I'd be laying it out on air ride haha
@@johnpxii hahaha 😆 absolutely 💯
@@savagepandaprojects as you mentioned in the video the current arteon now has the dsg. You’re biggest issue now fixed 👍
@@Rockybalboa541 yes glad to see improvement for 2022, however I cant say I have high hopes for the aftermarket knowing the model is sadly on the chopping block come 2024... 😕
Maybe the car isn't the BIG PROBLEM?
Great content..But ZF over DCT..Thats when your tripping..ZF is a great trans but a slushbox is a slushbox..Boring AF..DCT All Day
Nah man I disagree lol have u drive a ZF in sport mode? The factory ignition cut between shifts is great. Add XHP flash tool and it's lighting quick my man!
@@savagepandaprojects Not saying its not good..I have drove B9 S4 even C8 RS6 and its great dont get me wrong but like I said still a slushbox..DCT all Day and specially a tuned DCT even better..Have you drove a tuned R8 yet?
so the big problem is that tuners have no options. this car isn’t a tuner car in the first place…
The big problem is VW took the engine from a performance model (golf R) and mated with a weak 8 speed transmission
Arteon is SLOWWWWWWWWWWWWWas balls
Mines awesome!
🤣😂
Wow, discontinued already?!?! Great deep dive on this one. Beautiful car but not an ideal option for the f'nasty lifestyle.
I know man, it's such a bummer! Could have been the ideal platform having best of both worlds if they just used the dsg from the introductory year model in the US
@@savagepandaprojects we using dsg 7 speed in malaysia.. with 280hp
there is NO so called 'BIG PROBLEM' with the arteon as you said, lol or didnt say!
Big problem for enthusiasts when that garbage 8 speed transmission lets go lmaooo
I was referring to the model years 22-23, with the DSG@@savagepandaprojects
WRONG the 2023 does indeed come with a 7 speed DSG! Get it right.
This was covered in the video. Please watch before commenting
OK after watching it again you are right. It was just convoluted with probably way too much information for the title of your video. Most people are looking at the current model and you managed to drone on about earlier models for much of the time so I bailed before you finally got to current generation. So I did watch but lost interest in there somewhere. You do realize you are a couch reviewer in regard to finding supposed problems with the car, ferreting info from forums and such. Did you visit the NHTSA site, or did I miss that too? Maybe you own or owned one and experienced these supposed BIG PROBLEMS? I think the problem really is lack of robustness for tweaking and modding..?
Oh my
Talk talk
Geez
Don’t agree at all
Ok Wayne that's cool we're all entitled to our own opinions!
The other problem with the Arteon is two words Stinger GT.
the KIA is a POS
its NOT a problem! your the problem! lol
In 2022, VW ruined the Arteon interior by reolacing climate control knobs and buttons with a capacitive panel
😔😔😔
Agree. Just bought a 2022 Arteon and too much touch control over everything. At least still has volume and tuning knobs for the radio.
Just bought a 2022 Arteon I love it. Capacitive buttons aren't great but not a big issue. Hoping to go with the APR tune at some point a cat back and intake but that's it
Lame
Was a failure of a car, lame indeed.
APR tune for ‘22 Arteon is in development now.
Where did you see that ?