Where the All Blacks must improve and Ireland innovations the Boks couldn’t stop | ARP
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- Опубликовано: 22 авг 2024
- 1:46 Did the All Blacks improve against England’s Rush defence?
4:00 Should Beauden Barrett start?
9:38 Finding solutions to the All Blacks’ lineout woes
11:20 Ethan Roots on playing for England, rush defence and Maro Itoje
30:14 Ireland’s drop goal heroics against South Africa
34:10 Irish innovations on attack
36:20 Why are the All Blacks’ attacking structures less complex than Ireland’s?
40:43 Should the aging Boks be worried about players making it to 2027?
43:46 Are Australia and Wales improving?
46:28 Black Ferns co-captain Kennedy Simon on re-signing and the English grudge that motivates her
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I love watching kiwis talk about irish rugby its the ultimate compliment. Looking forward to hosting NZ in November, this show is way better than the breakdown.
Why would you like a bunch of hasbeen,s talk even😂😂😂😂😂
Wonderful show ❤.lots of Irish respect given.
The gent wearing the EuroBook shirt should be a coach!
Indeed great to see compared with the past times
How good are the Irish though, those last two games were next level. Pleasure to watch, they really are playing great rugby!
Wonderful rugby talk here ...love it.I am just back from NZ loved your country.I was out touring the south Island, lots of chat about our team Ireland. Kiwi rugby knowledge is outstanding... keep it up lads. Emerald Isle watching.
Bryn Hall is an awesome pundit. My two favs are Bryn Hall and Schalk Burger. These lads know their rugby! Always top notch analysis.
Yeah, Schalk is a great analyst for sure
This show is always quality for considered analysis. Hall, Parsons and Karl make great observations but ask themselves questions consistently, rather than looking for confirmation bias for their opinions (looking at you, Breakdown).
@fossilmatic Jeff Wilson and John Kirwan are the worst pundits from NZ, unfortunately. Bryn and the crew here are awesome! They see things very objectively and explain their reasoning rather than from raging emotion.
Agree with the last comment Wilson, Mils , and Kirwan are terrible, they’re just cheer squads, these guys are at least honest
Bok fan here - i blame the kit for why we lost 😅😅😅 - serious note, Kudos to Ireland, best team on the day and plenty for us to ponder and improve upon.
Saying South Africa lost that second test and not Ireland winning it even tho they led the game for most of it.. and then came back with two whopper drop goals is WILD 😂
Yeah fairly typical. Kiwis can’t stand the fact that there are other teams out there that people admire and want to emulate.
Yeah SA will of course be disappointed that they were leading with a few minutes left and didn’t close it out but Ireland were very good value for the win. Both tests were highly competitive. Brutal even in their physicality and I do think SA got lucky in the first test with a couple of TMO decisions. That said they are formidable opponents and in SA getting a win against them is priceless.
@@bowguy76BS! Probably just a sthn hemisphere thing
You guys failed to mention Ireland were down to 14 men second half and Ireland were held up over the try line before the drop goal.
So somehow Ireland being dirty and getting a yellow card is an excuse for Ireland? Make it make sense.
@kobuslouw9533 You're not making an sense, mate. Take a seat.
@@kobuslouw9533 you need to calm down
Ooooh 😊
@@paulnash5500Matron!
Irish supporter here. Thanks for the analysis . Looking forward to AB visit to Dublin in November.
What opportunities did SA in the first half? Was I watching a different game?
For me, Ireland and SA are joint best, even though I don't really care. As it can't be measured that objectively. However, SA do feel very one dimensional to me, and have rode their luck with the ref in the World Cup and these last two games.
And 3 one point wins to win the world cup. It was great to beat them by that one point. Doris getting the yellow was costly for Ireland. I think SA got 9 points during that 10 mins.
The two games VS Ireland was so close, games won/loss by slightest margins, these two teams are way ahead than the rest. Both teams were trying out new styles and strategies, they only going to get better. Fafs kicking game was off, we did miss Willie, we're looking forward to the Rugby Championship ☘️🇿🇦💚🏆
Unfortunately England are on the right path right now. They should have won at least 1 of those tests and could win the next 6 nations. NZ looked a little unsure of what they were doing in the 2 tests and needed individual brilliance, specially from BB to get the wins. However Razor has not had much time with them. Will be interesting to see where they are at after the rugby championship and autumn internationals.
BS NZ beat a better Ireland team the last game and SA only beat a 14 man NZ side by 1 France and NZ are a match for Ireland and SA talking yourselves up is not a good idea as Ireland have found out in world cups
Definitely not way ahead.
@@Rugby-union-fanWhy so bitter?The Springboks don't have to talk themselves up when they are the best team in RWC history🏆🏆🏆🏆. Cope harder😂
PS: if they want to play with 14 men, NZ should teach their Captain how to tackle.
SA should have won the game? Er, what?
They have nothing but a dominant scrum. They never looked like scoring a try, at home, with an extra player for 10 minutes.
Ireland, on the other hand, should have scored at least two more tries. Ringrose just before half time, and when Healy was held up over the line.
The forwards were imprssive - Doris workhorse - Ran hard got smoked, got up and ran hard again... and again - Thats Ticker!
"They have nothing but a dominant scrum". Not true. They also have 4 World Cups. Cope harder.
@@tonysa2337 😂 Say everything I said about this SA team is correct without saying it. 😂
What’s he talking about referring to SA 1st half chances? They were absolutely outdone in the 1st half. Ireland should have been an extra 4 ahead but ringrose untypically let it slip.
Yes, but reversed in 2nd half where SA completely dominant
@roryt6417 for thirty minutes anyway. The Irish clawed back momentum and control right at the end I would say.
What opportunities did SA have in the first half, SA never looked like scoring a try.
One could argue that boks only scored from poor Irish discipline whereas Ireland scored off innovation and that AB never quit mindset. Big difference
@@clemhart6821 Or Poor Springbok Defence
@mungoblizzard6114 I dont agree and neither does the rugby pundits. Many of them have noted the 5v4 Irish attack that caused the linebreaks/tries. That isn't poor defense. It's innovation
@@clemhart6821 poor defensive reads
@niallmcnamara8598 Cool man. Don't give credit where it's due. Boks lucky to get the series draw Even SA pundits are relieved there wasnt a decider. 4 of their last 5 wins were in controversy ..awesome
43:29 Can’t get over how dismissive this guy is to Ireland. Unbelievable. He actually feels SA should have won. The series! What do Ireland have to do to win the level of respect they deserve? If you go back and look at the video footage of the first test, you will find that Ireland should actually have won the first game, even though South Africa were more dominant. Ireland never gave up and footage will show that the Cheslin Kolbe try should never have been awarded as James Lowe was in touch. Likewise, the footage will also show that Doris‘s try hit the ground in his hand over the line and was not held up. That’s a 14 point swing that’s the game. Then an Ireland B team, missing about 7 starters, went to Durban and physically beat up the World Cup winning, most experienced Springbok team ever, and did it with a man in the bin. The game is 80 minutes long. How are win in those 80 minutes doesn’t matter. South Africa were lucky to win any game in this series, not the other way around.
Nahh....he wasn't in touch, close but no cigar dude. Cry harder 😭
You just said the same thing Hall said. Unbelievable? Shouldhave would've could have.
@@clarke1319I said the same thing only to make the point that if it’s good for the goose, it’s good for the gander. In other words, don’t complain about it unless you do so in both games. They didn’t. And I didn’t until this nonsense!
@@patrickbrennan911 ZZZZzzzzzz
Yep southern hemisphere teams back southern hemisphere teams no matter what it's a laugh 😆 always take them with a pinch of salt
The only gripe with all this was this number 1 chatter, no one cares. The other thing with the last game, Ireland should of been 20 up at half time, so if you're going to say SA should of won on 2nd half you kinda of need to look at 1st half as well
I care 😘
So now that NZ are no longer the "winningest" team in the world or the best RWC team you no longer care about the IRB rankings? Got it😂
Why does the 1st 5 have to kick? Damian is a good kicker but if we are wanting Jordie to kick long range goals for us would it not make more sense to give him time in saddle both during a game where he needs to kick at the end and also across all games for the ABs, to help deal with pressure?
The service Dmac got from Christie is 1 of the main reasons our kicking was nowhere and our back line could not get any room. The change was not only BB but Ratima getting that ball there quick. Christie is not up to par for an international halfback. ALB also added some guile when he came on.
Yes! Christie was too slow. Ratima impact was underrated
I’m going to keep saying this: We should try out a BACKS BOMBSQUAD:
the 4/4 bench split. our back 3 are STACKED and we have 80 minute loosies/Locks in Scott, Papalii, Ardie.
Also, Beaudy proved how effective a quick/explosive skilled player is on tired opposition.. The bench should be Beaudy, Rieko, Caleb. The most speedy, explosive …. just Imagine how impactful these 3 would be, and the dynamic they would add in the 2nd 40.
Yep! One day one of these coaches will play 4/4 split but not against springboks at the moment unless Tony brown suggest 5/3 for springboks n reduce that giants power in the front
Such disrespect to Beaudy.
He should start at 10 since 2016.
POTY 2x for a reason.
@@kurosakiichigo9545 Beaudy has said publicly he wants the 15 jersey
That’s a class idea!! Too much talent in NZ back line to get them all in….!
Such a silly idea 🤫
South Africa lost the game? Ireland could have scored a try instead of a penalty only for Ringrose dropping it which would have resulted in an even bigger half time lead. TMO helped big time in the first test as well and only won by 7. At home and against a depleted Ireland side I think its fair to say that Ireland at least has the better of SA whether you want to call them the best or not. If I'm honest I actually think France would probably still have something to say about the worlds best, NZ too.
Well they did have the lead at the 79/80th minute
These are training and squad selection matches for the next World Cup. Some NZ fans always talk down the Springboks between World Cups and then the watch them win the next World Cup. It is amazing that according to some AB fanatics the team that has won half the World Cups they have played is never as good as the team that has won 30% of the World Cups they have played😂
Our 9. 10, 12 need more variation in their kicking.
Ireland are a very well-oiled machine made to look super talented. The tightly continuous coaching team, Schmidt (made them an oiled machine), and Farrell (made that look super slick and talented) have been unbelievable, and it's hard to replicate that time and system, and therefore result. We can't imagine we'd be the same.
9s telegraph their box kicks usually, can we work a way to use blockers for the 9 in phase play for more innovative kicks in an attempt to address rush defence?
Yes, Jordie can bust it up the guts but we're also just seeing him get walloped sometimes. Vary it up.
Can the 10 or 12 or kicking wing be tight to 9 and kick close to where the rush defence start from? If you're the D and they kick to where you just were, maybe you'll be slightly hesitating or subsequently looking in the wrong areas?
Isn’t rush defence just another term for doing your best to hide the fact that you’re a foot or two offside?
Well sometimes 😂
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As an English fan I've really enjoyed this series against NZ, it's been well fought, high quality and covered and played respectfully. Compare that to how the SA have been carrying on, Rassies endless BS, their horrid media, idiot fans (not all but a lot) and now even the players digging at Ireland (Etzebeth and De Allende), it's not what rugby is supposed to be. So chuffed Ireland turned them over with a second string and really hope NZ ruin them in TRC, if ever a sporting country needed some humility it's SA now
Second string...you're kidding right, like 4 injuries...ummm same as SA...perhaps get your facts right. 2 great sides with much respect. Chill man..even series
@@roryt6417 no bro, the way the Saffers have been carrying on, all their tears are sweet
That was not a second string. Injury replacements stepped up and so they should . A top tier team has to have that depth.
Great analysis as usual and the Ethan Roots interview really good too. Looking forward to what attacking shape the Razor gang bring to the ABs, just too early to get things moving with the English Tests, as Razor said, they picked a team and used tactics to win those games. Ireland are setting a standard tactically as described so well by the guys here but I have faith we've got some innovative strategies to keep the ABs winning.
Waiting, waiting……
When I saw the Frawley winning DG, 1m: 10 seconds from winning the scrum to winning the game against arguably the best defence in the world, Sextons dg against France came to mind, in particularly the time and effort required to get into a dg position. The 2013 Ireland game v Nz also came to me, less than a minute and the length of the field to go, it did take about 2.5 mins but Crotty crossed the line for the draw and Cruden won the game with a 2nd attempt conv.
Was waiting for your video! Can’t wait to hear your insights
all black disciple was outstanding again. no one is taking about yellow cards or dumb penalties. also England run out of puff with 20 to go. so kicking deeper meant the England team had to do a lot more running which maybe lead to them to runout of puff. but if the line outs start working and the passers start going to hand lookout.
Too right mate, it seems that rush d is hard to sustain for 80 minutes
The ability/adaptability of the ABs Bench was also crucial/evident
We Irish have a good rivalry going with the Boks now but the team we most admire is always the ABs. We both have an attacking positive approach to the game although done in a different way. Our development systems are based on what New Zealand did decades ago. This show is absolutely fantastic and such a contrast to the clown show on the Breakdown.
Mounga took time at 10 because he had barrett treading all over his feet trying to run playmaker from fullback the whole time. Big BB fan but we can be honest about this can't we
Silly comment.
Nonsense.
Beaudy pushed to 15 because Mounga smaller & cant play 15.
Pretty speculative
Always the excuses for the flawed consistency and frailties at test level. 😊
Don't agree.
Dont forget, this All Blacks side is without Roigard, Will Jords, Samisoni, Frizell and Mounga. ABs have only recently lost Retallick, Whitelock, Aaron Smith... Even Sam Cane, this new squad is still gelling under Razor putting to bed Fosters era 😴 and reigning in Razors domains.
New team, players, coaches whole entire coaching set up is new systems finally being put in place give these boys more time together things are looking bright ✅️✅️✅️
The rest of the team had no idea Frawley was going to kick the drop goal. They apparently were looking asking what the F was he doing. He took that on himself. Ice in the veins and the biggest ‘set’ on the field 🇮🇪☘️
Nah he called a dropper on the field, look back, its clear where he calls it, they knew💚🤍🧡
They knew because some of the forwards didn't even look at Frawley they were looking at the posts.
@@Rugby-union-fan Dorris said in his post match interview they had no idea he was going for it. He may have said to those beside him but the team were totally unaware he was going for it
Ireland have taken a leaf out of the AB box. The AB legacy was built upon intimidating dominance in the contact area.
Is the scrum not a contact area???
Yeah, if the ABs had "intimidating dominance" they wouldn't have less World Cups than the Springboks. Who's book they '"took a leaf out of" will be of interest once zireland win a RWC, or at least get past a quarter final.
The ease for which teams are scoring tries out wide against the Allblacks is concerning, I think Billy Proctor and AlB are solid defenders, I hope they get a run together
And we’re about to add another player who is primarily an attacker in space (Jordan). The defence structure for both those tries was a shambles.
@@fossilmatic agree, neither Perofeta nor Telea anywhere near where they should have been. I share your concerns re Jordan, too.
Named together vs Fiji on Saturday!!!
As an England fan, you can't help but be delighted when NZ commentators solution is to go to the box kick. Boy have we taken it on that over the years. In all seriousness, two great games that bode well for both teams going forward. Test rugby seems to be in great shape with five highly competitive teams. November tests are great to look forward to. Thanks to NZ for a great tour.
Change rieko to wing for telea and put billy proctor/ALB to 13 be alot stronger 💪 rieko was best winger in world and he still would be IF HE PLAYED THERE.
no, he wasn't , would never pass. Telea is disappointing , I think Clarke might be better now.
Clarke and telea defense are not good enough for all blacks rieko defense is top tier. He has one of the all time try saving tackles, he is very good on defense.
Possibly one of the best wingers in 2017/18 but far from it now.
All Blacks: win a great test match
Any other rugby team: 'happy we got the win in a well fought test match!'
Kiwi 'Experts': 'well it still wasnt good enough because we didnt win by 30+ so let's never be happy and start criticising and over analysing.'
Kiws are never happy or satified no matter the outcome. Just be happy with a win!
True they need to realise other teams are getting better and have worked out our game plan. England played very well and we still won👍
That’s why the All Blacks will never just be any other rugby team. The coach was just as vocal on how much the team have to work on.
It's not really new from Ireland though. They went after the NZ props when we toured there last year. It was just more of the same.
The real genius was in the players recognising the subtle difference that presented itself in the second test as opposed to the first. The Saffas had Kolisi as first defender after the Doris carry instead of Malherbe in the second test. Ireland played what was in front of them and postponed their intentions. They engaged Kolisi, took it through another phase and set as soon as they saw Malherbe fold from the blindside. It's brilliant because it's both structured and heads up rugby. Everyone knows who the target is and they know what they have to do to exploit him.
I'd back the NZ'ers to take something from it too. Malherbe can be slow to react if you force him to make a decision in space. NZ aren't backward when it comes to stuff like this. They've scored off deficiencies in our lineout defence in more than one game now. Made Ireland look silly in the process, crucially with Mo'unga at the World Cup. That's good analysis. They have to be watching.
Why is everyone pretending Kolbe didn't dive and try to win the game by cheating?
During Steve Hanson's era Beauden Barrette was moved to the 15 jersey and was handed a caretaker 10 role, which was to help Richie out, I think Razor has liberated him and thus we are seeing the best out of him
He was always good in fairness!
Beauden Barrett should be our starting 10* with McKenzie coming off the bench NOT the other way around
Irish was not let safrica insult them again the safrica media they chocked on this game good
I can see how the English has earned the ABs respect. But in my mind, they've been playing as a team since 6 Nations and therefore you can't expect huge progress from them. On the other hand, the AB's has just been playing for 2 tests and only came together 10 days before the first one. Do you think that the English still have a lot of space to improve before the November game and will they be able to match the AB's potential to improve?
As a 25 year old Irishman I never thought Ireland would ever beat nz or beat sa away from home , ever .
Ireland were comfortably the worst team in the 5 nations for 100 odd years.
I still think we have another 10 years or so before we become a true contender at every World Cup .
Success at world cups comes after kids grow up in a winning mindset at under age etc and that’s only come to happen in the last 10 years or so here.
When did the change start
@@mungoblizzard6114lol
As a 57 year old Irishman, I concur. . .
It was a game of 2 half's and your forgetting Ireland dominated the 1st half. A
You guys are so much better than the breakdown.
Look at the Ireland disallowed tries boys! Lowe's in Game ! was a mistake by the ref..that was a good try. Ireland were closer to winning this series than SA if you examine the plays. Irish people dont care 1 or 2 etc but we did beat SA when both teams were fresh in that RWC. We should have rested lads for the tier two game..that was the mistake really. We were a poorly placed ball over the line from beating NZ too don't forget!
Wales will need to keep pushing and closing the gap. I’ve seen players just get better close the gap then one day they realize not only is the gap closed but they can win especially with confidence and team work
You guys need to put up a statue for Bauden Barrett! Kicking and boxkicking for who we were critisised so much. You guys are super talented ball in hand but in a test match its not Super Rugby. From 🇿🇦.. Hope you guys are ready for fortress Ellis Park.🇳🇿🤝🇿🇦
You have to wonder if the ABs needs a man like Andrew Goodman and Tony Brown for the attack coach role. Andrew Goodmans attacking structure is one of the most efficient ways to beat rush D.
I was a little shocked when I heard razor pick Leon McDonald as attack coach, the blues team he coached weren't that good now he all black attack coach 😔🤦
It’s all about who he’s comfortable with, players and coaches, despite the talk of wanting to be challenged. Interesting that Schmidt wouldn’t work with him.
@@fossilmatic The roles that the AB Coaches now have are different. Previously there was a Forwards Coach, a Backs Coach, a Scrum Coach, a Line-Out Coach, an Attack Coach, a Defence Coach etc which would have had a lot of overlaps & influences on the other coaches but this group has the (core) roles as Front Row, Second Row, Loosies, 9/10, 12/13 & Outside Backs which still have their respective influences on each other but maybe not as much as the previous structure - dunno.
What Role was Schmidt offered? Was Schmidt even offered a role? Were the roles decided by Razor before/after Razor chose his team? Did Razor tell each of them who got what role or were the roles decided for each other by each other as a group? If Razor had 'preferred' Scott Hansen as his 9/10 coach would Tony Brown have taken another role? Would Scott Hansen been happy to let Tony Brown be the 9/10 Coach and taken the Outside Backs himself? Dunno.
Now that Jamie Joseph is back at the Highlanders, could we see a JJ & TB re-union as the ABs coach in years to come? Would JJ take on the role of Rassie if Rassie left & was offered the job? Will/would Vern Cotter & Joe Schmidt re-unite as per their Montpellier days? Will the likes of Clayton McMillan, Clark Laidlaw & the raft of other good/young coaches, both in NZ & plying their trade overseas, have a say in the future? A thing that the NZR certainly has over the other Unions is our conveyor belt of excellent coaches.
We'll never know until the time comes and/or the autobiographies come out.
@@fossilmatic was Schmidt given the opportunity to work with him? (‘didn’t realise that!)
But I thought the boks were the best in the world 😂😂
Scott barret has to up his game in 2 test he has hardly called the ball to himself. Tuipoloto and Vai are both performng well at line out time. Tuipoloto is dominant around the field his ball carrying has been strong. Vai has also ben good and physical when he comes on. So right now barrett is performing as our no 3 lock. This is where Robertsons bias could cost the all blacks. Your captain needs to firstly always demand his position in the team that is why the public was behind savea. Right now either barrett is not demanding his position or cpataincy is to much. We do not want to be in the position again where caine was picked over the last 4 years ahead of form 7s.
Bru ..I'm forced the agree with your observation abouts Scott Barret.
He is extremely of his game....sadly so at the start of a new ERA for All Black Rugby..
Ireland were for sure the better side in the second test mate. You must have just watched the highlights to come to that conclusion 😂
The question of whether to select BB may be clarified by asking, “Who would the opposition rather NOT see in the position?”. I think after game 1 the English saw our unchanged starting selection at 10, wing, midfield, 6 and lock and licked their lips. SA and Ireland are waiting to feed.
And wow, that Kennedy Simon interview… great question Ross Karl; “What do you mean Rugby saved you?” The answer and attitude seems central to the Women’s game in NZ. It also seems in some contrast to the Men’s game and what it has become in the professional era. Hope we can sort that out.
Depends on the opposition...maybe start Beaudy against Springboks and finish with D Mac,and opposite when it comes to the Wallabies -or maybe keep Joe Schmidt guessing and start Perofeta against the Wallabies with D Mac at fullback-thats just my opinion 🤔
flipping players in and out of positions hasn't worked out for NZ during the past 2 RWC cycles, why continue that trend?
Great interviews. Ferns great win kickin n maul comin long nice. Cheers to all'
Boks newbie learnt an expensive lesson ito kicking, should always be a contestable kick or line out. He will be a valuable asset to the team if he gets game time and settle in.
Beauden is better off coming off the bench..he can be that super sub again like he was before.. his impact off the bench is huge and game changer.. he can cover 10 and 15. Better keep Mckenzie at 10
Keep beaudy on the bench so he can see the flaws of the opposition and start cortez cos that boy reminded me of nuggy and ball recycling is faster than christie. I like finlay but he does tend to take time with his recycling.
Did you see him scanning on the bench while the other players standing up and celebrating a try...Focused
Such a well balanced show, prefer it to the "The Breakdown"
No, the Boks could stop it. Dont forget they came from way behind to then take the lead! The Boks lost because they kicked the ball away and gave possession to Ireland with 3 minutes ago. They should have won that game!
What don't like about Jordie at 12 he can take ball up physically but don't have the ability to step ala Ma a Nono and bamboozle the defensive line.He should also work on slight of hand or the odd "Gadget" pass. Also to rather pass to the edge when defenders are bunched together...especially in the 22 area when he had players on the outside of England's defensive line...the game was also in the balance around that time
We still don't have a dominant #13, someone who can break the line, offload, step, chip, defend well, must have dreads🤷♂️🤷♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤣😂🤣😂and a dominant kicker, someone u can bet your house, car, jandles on to make ANY conversion, also how did we loose the Roots brothers🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️and can someone give Ethan a glass of water.....in my humble opinion without offending anyone.....PURAO MA.
B. Barrett is named as a 10. Stephen Perofeta needs time at 15. Will Jordan is Razor's Fullback for this World Cup cycle. The Jersey needs to be earned every time and Beaudy has earned the 10 jersey.
I think there is a more than a few positions in the Abs at the moment that are far from locked in. The loose forward trio weren’t particularly convincing. Half back is a position that is there for the taking. I wasn’t convinced by either winger. I did think D Mac played particularly well considering he never really had quick service or good front foot ball. Sam Canes and Frizzels physicality on defence was sorely missed. I’m excited though to see the new guys get a crack and happy we got 2 wins against a solid English team.
Our kicking out of hand is just awful, and it puts us under pressure. Our short kicks are too inaccurate to be contestable, our territory kicks are too shallow and rarely find space, exits from out 22 are too shallow. The players we have are good enough, but they need to be less predictable on attack as it makes us easy to defend against. The rush defence is not new, and beating it is no secret. Short pass or offload once the defender is committed, kick in behind to turn the defenders, strong ball carriers to break the advantage line or draw in defenders to make space elsewhere, don't be predictable so the defenders have to think more etc.
I think that says as much about the coaches as the players, too, and I'm waiting to see if Robertson has any answers.
My take on Pods with the use of Dummy Runners to break the gain line...(shown at 34:10 of the above vid)
While I like attractive rugby & good/smart moves, my take on the Dummy Runners, & it may require a Law Change, is that the first example should have been a penalty against Ireland for ‘blocking’ while the 2nd example of the use of a Dummy Runner was ‘fine’ as the SA #3 chose the wrong player to tackle, had his weight on the wrong leg & wouldn’t have been able to have made the tackle required. The SA #3 should have covered & tried to tackle the player who received the inside pass and left the Irish player he committed to tackling to SA’s Cover Defence (which was a tad missing in this instance in the 2nd example).
My reason for penalizing the first example, is once the Dummy Runner, Ciaran Healy, is ahead of the Ball Carrier or ahead of the Player who eventually receives the Ball & there is any contact on a Defender with intent or by accident, within a reasonable radius of the Ball Carrier and in the direction of where the Defender is taking into account which leg the Defender’s has his weight on, then that should be ruled as obstruction/blocking/crossing & a penalty/free-kick awarded to the Defence. In this example, Ciaran Healy pretends to not be changing his line, is slightly ahead of the player about to receive the ball, has a quick look to see where the SA #17 is, changes his shoulder/weight to his left & purposely bumps into SA #17 to ensure that there is no chance of SA #17 making a tackle. Even if the SA #17 couldn't make the tackle, the intent was to there by Ciaran Healy to prevent any tackle, shirt grab or ankle tap from being made.
Having said that, sometimes a Defender is penalized for tackling a Dummy Runner ‘off the ball, without the ball or early’ when the Defender had already committed to the tackle given the actions of the Ball Carrier & the Dummy Runner. The Defender doesn’t always have the time to react to the ball being passed & getting into position for a legal tackle nor does the Defender have the time to look-up from their tackle position to see if they have the ball or not & if required, pull out of the tackle, step aside & drop one’s arms to allow the Dummy Runner to proceed without any hindrance. Which way do you officiate? In favour of the offence or defence?
If in favour of the Defence, I suppose my idea would just lead the Defensive Line to become rigid/zonal as they wouldn’t need to track a Dummy Runner - just keep their line - but it would force the offensive/attacking side to be more creative.
So, in favour of the offence or defence or can there be a fair compromise? Not any interpretations, a Black & White Law please…
Love the rugby chat here lads. Question for the next Pod.. What I seem to notice is that people get all caught up with the performance of players from one or two games.. E.g. A player has one bad game and then they get written off as no good.. It seems the sample size many people are using when basing a judgement on players/teams peformance is tiny.. E.g. Findlay Christie maybe didn't make the impact in game 1 against England and he's dropped down the publics list of the halfbacks.....Ioane all of a sudden has calls to be shifted back to wing.... Beaudy has two great stints from sub and now he should be first five...New Zealand struggled against England for 2 games and all of a sudden England are right back up with the top four teams... It just seems like bad science to base a judgement off 1-2 games... What would you 3 on the pod consider a sufficient sample size for players/teams to make a well evidenced judgement on whether they have the ability/quality that's expected?
Question - Should Beauden Barrett start?
Answer 1 - If Perofeta is the 3rd 10/15 then yes. Only bring Perofeta on if the game opens up otherwise BB and DMac can both go 80.
Answer 2 - If Jordan is the 3rd 10/15 then no. Start Will Jordan who can open up the defense against any team, with BB to bring impact of the bench at either 10 or 15 depending on how the game is going and how DMac and Jordan are performing.
That intro beat is 🔥
Quality show, guys!
Guys great informative pod as usual. This is off topic but I reckon if you guys dont tackle it noone will! So heres my question. With all the concern re head knocks why isn't headgear compulsory?
No cards. Whats your thoughts.
We are still winning games on individual moments of brilliance (Beaudy) rather than team all round team excellence. Savea to 7 and get Hoskins in the mix.
It’s quite obvious what the all Blacks need to improve on. England had New Zealand on the ropes for most of that second game. All the mistakes NZ made didn’t help. I.e. lineout and kicking game.
I can see the future of rugby moving toward American football type tactics where there will be a ‘squad’ of specialists.. brought on, to do certain moves against their opposite numbers
Matt Williams' (and mine) greatest fear!
D Mac 10 ,BB15 . Savea 7 ; Satiti, Sotutu ,Iose 8. Kicks need to be contestable !
Daulton all day at 7, such a good trackler as well as a good runner. Also in 2 games he probably made a pest of himself over the ball at breakdown more than cane did in his last season combined.
All Blacks looking perfunctory as opposed to dazzling but hopefully that will improve in time
Keane givin ball away for goal and maupay weak shot saved. Holgate there also. Why are they still there Dyche?
Springboks have won the rugby world cup. Seems Nz have forgotten, Where's the appraisal and recognition?
Everyone acknowledges that the Boks won the RWC however this content is about the tests on current tours . How is the Boks winning the RWC relevant?
Ethan Roots is beginning to pick up an English accent.
Oh look NZers terrified of calling Saffa Kolbi a diving cheat but no problem suggesting the Irish hoped to "manipulate" the referee to manufacture a penalty at the end. What a sad, bitter, spiteful little commentary as per usual on this channel.
Calm down man, that's the kind of hysterical response we criticise saffa fans for.
😭😭😭
@@ctorus And the typical sneering salty response from NZ that only the Saffas can compete with.
@@washerdryer3466 Not from NZ. And I hope you're not Irish because you're making us look like a bunch of fragile gobshites.
Don't be so fragile. He slipped. Man so much hate for the Boks😂
Why are some of my posts being removed? They are certainly not offensive. Am I offending anyone or offended anyone in the past that is now causing my posts to be automatically blocked?
I changed my post that was removed (twice) to not include a pundits name & the post has remained for longer than anytime before so it appears as if a post could be automatically blocked if a pundit is directly named as opposed to using initials only or a nickname.
Nope that didn't work. My post was removed after 22 minutes or so. Was it because I edited it?
Feel free to get on touch. Thank you.
My posts get removed all the time but i just hit them with one of my other accounts 😁.
NEW midfield Please !!!!!
A good question now is with the Boks unbelievable scrum and ability to sink most of the points from it. It gives hope for teams who don't quite have a top tier scrum.
Kiwis still struggling with rush defense
Dyer when scores always gors immediately for the cameras...
I just cannot understand the meat riding of Ireland. They absolutely bottled a massive lead and only managed to win it with an admittedly well hit drop goal once the clock was up. That could have easily been struck slightly worse, missed and the conversation would instead be completely around concerns for Ireland and their inability to hold a lead and close a game out.
Yes overall they played well but I'd imagine internally it's more of a concern how they blew a double digit lead vs how they managed to squeak a one point win from behind once the clock was up.
SA have problems scoring tries.
these things tend to average out over time. SA won a few one pointers in WC. NZ lost a couple against France where they had leads but eventually won a tight WC final against France. All a team can do is learn what they need to do better and move on to the next game.
You seem to be forgetting they have 5/6 six key injuries. They also prevented the world champions getting single try and played with 14 for 10. Credit where it’s due.
Maby ask yourself how Ireland got a big lead instead 😆
Innovations....what innovations did Ireland actually show.....except some really good physicality and 2 drop goals that the Boks could not stop.....after the first one they should have anticipated the second comming
Innovations as in actually scoring a try unlike the Boks. 😂
What innovations? He explained it when he described the try you absolute tone deaf deck chair.
Yeah Ireland don't innovate at all. They have bad players, and no plan, and are very predictable. Somehow keep winning test matches though, it's like the X-Files. Spooky.
Abs were very average at best. They are not in same conversation with boks and Ireland. Razor got to do a lot better with selection and coaching.
Worse than average. Yet they won. SA were worse than average but lost. Go figure.
They won so.
As a neutral would tend to agree NZ have fallen behind a bit and some work to do. They seem one dimensional good from broken play but haven't really evolved to the same extent as SA. No doubt Razor will sort that very quickly assuming heads are not in the sand and thinking all is perfect at the moment.
Have you forgotten this same England team beat a full strength Ireland squad in the 6 nations ? While a C team Ireland team just beat the Boks at home
@brendandaly8164 SA lost at home to Ireland. Should NZ follow this trend?
This show is so much better than Kirwan and Goldie crapola.
Brynn needs to be in the commentator's box on AB game days! Move over, JK!
Clarke is as bad in defense as Telea at wing. Barrett better than MacKenzie at 10.
Don't agree with those sentiments. Barrett was not performing that well at 10 last few years and stands out when there is space to use created by forwards, 9 and 10 doing their job well. Clarke is in form and fitness of his life, think he's going to be dominant
@@aircongosney Fair enough. We shall see. Thanks for commenting.
@@aircongosneywhy you give chance to Mounga & Mckenzie but not Barrett at 10?
If anyone, hes the closest to Carter.
Rieko to wing 💪
@@aircongosney agree, Barrett wanted to be a #10 but he was pretty bad and got found out, he was playing like a fullback (since he is a poor passer) which he has proven time and again is really his natural position.
Has to be the most balanced discussion compared with any other rugby podcast.
So many of the others, from all over the world, make too many disparaging remarks about teams from other countries.
32:34 he didn't slip, he dived,trying to buy a penalty.
35:20 and when the all blacks start copying Ireland again, they'll clim it as their style of play and innovation l, just like ths last time, except Kiwis wete saying its Ireland play except on steroids 🙄🙄😅😆
We don't copy ireland.
Obviously a Great show boys obviously it’s great, obviously!
Is it obvious what word is overused?
i think kiwis need to learn to respect the bench more. learn from the south africans, it's a squad game, not just about the starting 15
Did you see B.Barrets impact from the bench over the last 2 tests?
@@Intergalatikk yeh exactly, that was kind of the point that i was driving at. he's been brilliant off the bench, maybe using him there is better than insisting that that means he is 'upgraded' to the starting 15.
These guys like eggchasers think more of SA than we do 😁.
Interesting that here we see a commentator call the phase play innovative, yet I've seen a SA commentator call it sneaky.
both the boks and irish attack coaches are kiwi's......
Mike Catt not Ireland's attack coach under Farrell? Saw out the tour of South Africa as far as I'm aware? Think Goodman only in the mix as of this week. Could be wrong
@@mcgwj Goodman is in there, brown for the boks. Let’s not forget that when Schmidt was there he also had two kiwi assistants too
ABs are consistently terrible at the contestables. Well, they were good at WC, but not leading up to it.
Really they were just about ok at WC won 1 out of 3 against top tier teams.
@@brendandaly8164 They were very good at WC in general. Its the contestable kicks that are seldom actually contestable that bug me. Other teams do it so well...
Really they are just flooding the area 4/5 on 3 making sure our draw your man to have the extra man free.
Obstruction plays
Ireland were good 1st half BUT Ireland werent good in 2nd half vs springboks. Springboks outplayed them in 2nd half.
Who won the game
@@mickser101 1-1 . Ireland did
Except in the last 15 seconds which won the match
@@johncahalane7327 aggregate score we won it
@@johncahalane7327 over 2 legs we scored higher
Get Richie Mo back tell NZR pay him
WE NEED HIM
Why he sign that contract for?? 😳lol
We needed Laumape more than we need Mounga.
I felt he had enough opportunity and despite the occasional good performance when the team was going well he never set the world on fire. He appears to have realised it was time to move on.
We dont need him never won a world cup for us.